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Episode #215: How I Reverse Chronic and Autoimmune Disease: The FIRST Step (Part One) · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome everyone to another podcast of Beyond Labels with yours truly, Farmer Joel Salatin, and the brains of the outfit, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough, who, by the way, has been uh has been pushed a lot recently on the whole question of chronic disease.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, um, you know, at church the other day, at our church, you know, we have these prayer requests, and there's always seems like two to five people.
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  SPEAKER_01: So-and-so has stage four cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're in some sort of stage four cancer, which is a label, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as soon as you hear that, you're okay, I've got stage four cancer, or you hear so-and-so has stage four cancer.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and and so Cena has done a lot of thinking and research on this reversal of chronic disease, especially when it's labeled, and how to, you know, how to adjust to it, to handle it emotionally and spiritually and mentally.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and then of course, physically, it's it's kind of like for Cena and I, I think, I think the physical aspect is almost the last part of this.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh anyway, she's really dug down on this.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've had so many questions about it over time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we're just gonna uh we're just gonna uh drill down on on the the issues, the nuances surrounding reversal of chronic disease.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: right now leads the world in chronic disease morbidity.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh morbidity is uh death.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so so uh you know, that's not a place to lead the world, but right now the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: leads the world in chronic morbidity.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we need to be talking about um not only preventive, but then if you do get this label, what's the what's the what's the pathway out of it?
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  SPEAKER_01: So Cena, start us off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Joel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so today I want to start to rewrite the story behind chronic and autoimmune disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, so we're gonna work a lot on changing perception and helping you uh reverse the course so you can heal.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Joel, imagine if you're sick, if you get a diagnosis, and then imagine waking up one morning and realizing that the illness is gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: It no longer defines who you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your pain is gone, your fatigue is gone, the inflammation is gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they're not just managed, the symptoms aren't just managed, they're actually gone, they're reversed.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is no longer a pipe dream or just wishful thinking.
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  SPEAKER_00: The scientific literature itself confirms that it is possible to reverse chronic and autoimmune conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's a growing body of research that has documented remission, but also complete healing from all kinds of diseases like heart disease, arthritis, type 2 diabetes, depression, ALS, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, asthma, lupus, anxiety, even cancers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I personally know, aside from the literature, that it is possible to reverse chronic and autoimmune conditions because I did it in my own life.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, most people know my story.
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  SPEAKER_00: So just a quick recap is that in my 30s, I was diagnosed with an advanced stage of rheumatoid arthritis alongside arsenic poisoning, leaky gut, and nutrient deficiencies that were so severe.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was borderline for Pellra and Berry Berry, which are actually micronutrient deficiencies that we see coming back in modern time.
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  SPEAKER_00: I also had muscle wasting, like a cancer patient.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, at my worst, I was too weak to sit up, uh too weak to hold a cup.
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  SPEAKER_00: And conventional medicine basically offered only symptom management through medication.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were no answers.
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  SPEAKER_00: So out of desperation, I became my own detective.
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  SPEAKER_00: And through trial and error, lots of investigation, a lot of time spent researching, and most importantly, through complete surrender to God, I reversed every single diagnosis and condition that I had.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today I'm fully disease-free.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not in remission.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have no symptoms, no inflammation, and I have more energy than I had in my 20s.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the reason is because God showed me a different path.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a path away from the conventional uh model of medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that path led to complete healing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, in the past 15 years, he has continued to build upon the knowledge that he showed me that helped me um get out of that state of desperation I was in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my understanding of dis-ease has evolved.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when I started this journey with him, I was focused on the physical level, like so many of us, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: And why not?
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  SPEAKER_00: Your symptoms are presenting at the physical level.
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  SPEAKER_00: So logically, I concluded at the time that disease was in was rooted on that physical level.
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  SPEAKER_00: He has since expanded my understanding beyond the physical into the mental, emotional, and spiritual.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'll say before we jump in to this in-depth discussion, there are nuances and there are caveats because the human body is complex.
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  SPEAKER_00: So don't think I'm dumbing down this description out of arrogance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: After studying how to reverse disease for about 15 years and going through it myself and working with hundreds of people, I have realized though that humans make things too complicated.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we assigned labels, which are killers.
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  SPEAKER_00: When we do this, we are outsourcing our choices to experts.
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  SPEAKER_00: So one of my specialties is taking complex information and making it digestible so that you can harness your own power and learn to trust yourself in order to heal.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, I have actually come to realize that chronic and autoimmune conditions are a light deficiency or an or a result of light incoherence.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that conclusion is like a hundred steps down the road.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you're starting to step one, that's not very helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to start simple and then we're going to build in complexity.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it may require more than one podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, Joel, the first thing that he showed me when I was healing was that chronic and autoimmune diseases may look different and they may have different labels, but underneath they all have things in common.
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  SPEAKER_00: Whether it's MS, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, they all share the similar root causes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, cutting-edge practitioners and researchers will say that that root cause is inflammation and gut dysbiosis and mitochondrial dysfunction, nutrient deficiencies, and basically toxic overload, as well as a dysregulated stress response.
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  SPEAKER_00: All of those things are involved in creating what we call disease, but they are not actually the root cause.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are simply consequences of imbalance.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to start building our knowledge by picturing an onion.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone can picture an onion and has many layers, and you can peel back the layers of an onion one at a time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then at the at the middle, you have a core of the onion.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the root cause.
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  SPEAKER_00: So usually how I describe it is these outer layers of the onion are more of the physical body, because again, most people are comfortable with that perception.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then after we address these physical layers, which I call the physical triggers that are um contributing to disease, we work our way toward the middle, going through layers of mental triggers, emotional triggers, energetic, and spiritual triggers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Regardless of which of these layers of the onion you're working on, the simple picture is disease is simply an imbalance.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to reverse a disease means you're going to return to balance, or what we call in science homeostasis.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's what I find interesting, Joel, is that God, so God will show you what you're ready to hear, and He will, I believe, He'll show it in a way that He knows you can understand it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So when I'm speaking to you today, I'm showing you what He showed me as a scientist.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what I knew as a scientist was that this term of balance of homeostasis is not a new concept.
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  SPEAKER_00: Science has recognized it since at least the 1920s, and it describes your ability to maintain an internal environment.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it was talked about at least since 1865.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is the cornerstone of physiology.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is the belief that the body operates in a manner um to not deviate from a narrow range of an internal balance.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's called a dynamic equilibrium.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it means that no matter what external environmental changes are happening, your body is able to maintain this dynamic internal equilibrium.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that means you have to maintain that internal balance to stave off tissue, organ, cell destruction, and death, you know, or dysregulation.
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  SPEAKER_00: It also means that your body already knows how to heal itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, science agrees that the body heals itself all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So just a couple examples are stem cells.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stem cells can migrate to sites of injury and regenerate tissues.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, your microbiome, it will adapt.
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  SPEAKER_00: The bacteria can actually change their role depending on the environment.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's called phenotypic plasticity.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you give E.
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  SPEAKER_00: coli that's naturally in your gastrointestinal tract, if you give it a stress signal, it can switch between being commensal and pathogenic.
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  SPEAKER_00: So commensal means it's in your gastrointestinal tract.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not causing you any harm or imbalance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Instead, it's helping you to maintain gut health, digestion, and immune function.
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  SPEAKER_00: But if you give it a certain stress signal, it can change from being a helper to a disruptor.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can disrupt the balance, contributing to health issues.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we know that it has plasticity.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know that bones, your bones are living tissue.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are constantly remodeling.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have what's called osteoclasts that break down old bones and osteoblasts that build new bones.
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  SPEAKER_00: This means that osteoporosis, which is very common in our culture and is thought of as not being reversible, it's not a permanent bone loss.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not a one-way street.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can actually reverse that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You just have to rebalance so that you're building more bone tissue than you're breaking down.
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  SPEAKER_00: The liver can regenerate itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can remove up to 70% of your liver, and it can restore itself to its original size.
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  SPEAKER_00: The brain can rewire itself through neuroplasticity, which means neurodegenerative conditions like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's are in fact reversible.
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  SPEAKER_00: Joel, I could go on and on, as you sure, as you know, but what my point is the body can rebalance itself, meaning it can heal itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Science has acknowledged this.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just need to remove the impediments or the roadblocks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first roadblock that is, in my opinion, the most critical initial roadblock is to remove the label.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the diagnosis of a disease, which I already said can kill, and it's the word disease itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: When Joel, when I um, as you know, I I um endured a lot of suffering from a chronic illness, an autoimmune condition for like about over 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't until I finally got a diagnosis that I fell apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, and I remember telling you that story that in that instance of getting the diagnosis, everything changed for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And all of a sudden it went from, oh, I just have some symptoms, we'll figure it out, to, oh my goodness, now I'm labeled with this disease that our culture thinks is permanent.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm always gonna have to check the box, autoimmune.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's never gonna get any better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm they're gonna basically just throw pills at me and I'm just gonna get one, I'm gonna get sicker and sicker over time, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Or I have to uh uh forever have to wear this uh this wristband, you know, that says I'm diabetic, or this wristband that says I have this or that or the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, this um Cena just just I know you're I know you're going places and don't want to derail anything, but just even already in this short 10-minute opening part of the discussion, I can't help but uh but think about church and all the prayer requests of all the people that are sick.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, uh so-and-so has you know, is waiting for a liver trans.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pray for a donor, you know, for so-and-so's liver transplant.
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  SPEAKER_01: So-and-so's got stage four this, stage four that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And um, and of course, you know, the the the prayers usually go um help the doctors to know what medication to give.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, that's that's the normal, uh, you're praying for wisdom for the medical community that the surgeons do well and but I I just can't help already, in as what you've already uh uh you know dived into in the discussion, uh what what uh it it it it completely changes the it changes the prayer request, if you will, uh to something completely different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Am I am I reading this right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, and that is my point of almost painstakingly going through this meticulously, and we're gonna dive more into this as well, because it changes your entire perception of what disease is and what health is, and your perception of how God created the body to be resilient and to be able to heal from anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, I'm getting all choked up now, just thinking of how beautiful this design is, and and how much mainstream medicine in particular has derailed us from this God-given gift that we have.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's a gift to have joy, peace, love, happiness um until old age.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's been in a way robbed from us by changing our perception.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's why what I want to, what I'm trying to do here, and let's continue doing this, is to help you to shift that perception so that you're not thinking of um, you don't have this mainstream narrative running through your mind, which disempowers you and which in essence nudges you to shift your power outside of yourself, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You're now I don't want you to look outside of yourself to find the answer because God already gave you the answer and it's actually just sitting inside of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: The body can do it itself, but we are trained that we are helpless, it's a victim mentality, and we're trained to look outside of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're trained that we need that pill.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, but a pill is not going to heal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like a pill, a pill can abate symptoms, it's not going to bring the body back into a state of harmony where we would call it a full healing, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, like you would see in the Bible when Jesus heals, these full and complete healings.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not what a conventional medicine can offer.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying that to be um mean, you know, or disrespectful to mainstream medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: Clearly, there are some great doctors out there who have figured it out and they are helping patients, but the system is what I'm talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: The system is not set up to empower you and to reverse conditions, it's fabulous at acute um incidents, like if you get shot, you know, like if you cut your arm, cut your arm off with a chainsaw.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, that's that's that's what they're really good at.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes, but it's not set up to help you fully heal from a chronic condition.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so if you look to their model, um it's actually setting you up to fail because we know, as you said, we are the sickest country now on the planet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our medical system is not working toward crop for chronic and autoimmune conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, why would we hang on to their perception of what dis-ease is and how they think that they can manage it?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying free yourself from that by understanding how the body works and how cultures have worked.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, having said that, let's let's follow this train of thought.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that um the word disease, Joel, didn't exist until the 14th century.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we throw around this word disease all the time now as a label from colds to flus to diabetes to cancer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and and it means that you're you have this sickness, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: You have a label that can now be coded by the um medical insurance companies, um, a diagnostic code.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and it happened in the 14th century that we invented the word disease.
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  SPEAKER_01: In other words, Hippocrates didn't use the word disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, so we use um okay, so yes, the word ease was already being used.
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  SPEAKER_00: It meant to be comfortable or free from pain or discomfort, and so um dis-ease came about, and it was meant to be the opposite, it was lack of ease or lack of comfort.
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  SPEAKER_00: That word came about um in the 14th century, and it wasn't until the 16th century that we started to refer to disease as specific ailments, they started assigning ailments to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing so so so you will hear me say dis-ease instead of disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Western culture says disease, meaning here's a label of a condition, and now we can code you code and charge them um charge insurance companies for it, and and um, and it it carries all of the negative associations of a label.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, dis-ease is how you pronounce it with a hyphen in it when it's just means lack of ease.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that's how I'll refer to it.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what I prefer to use, I prefer to basically throw that word out completely, dis-ease or disease, and just use imbalance, okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right, these are all man-made words, so you get to choose which words you allow in your vocabulary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's your right, and I call them imbalances.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, look, I'm gonna talk, I'm gonna walk us through how different cultures viewed dis-ease or imbalance, but I don't want to lose people by talking about ancient cultures.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know this can be a touchy area, so I want to start out by saying the Bible, and Joel, maybe you can dive into this more.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible, in my understanding, from my reading, actually addresses health by achieving balance, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what I'm saying is not some like it's only believed in Eastern medicine or anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Bible itself speaks of balance.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's an emphasis on a spiritual and emotional balance, a harmony of the body, mind, the spirit, and relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's key concepts in the Bible that that surround balance, like uh a life that honors God in all areas, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a balance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, Proverbs says the joyful heart is good medicine, but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's again talking about the joyful heart.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the emotional component, um, which ties in with the mental component.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, choosing life-giving words, it's your power of the tongue.
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  SPEAKER_00: Proverbs um 16 says gracious words are like a honeycomb, sweetness to the soul and health to the body.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's the power of your words.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the Bible talks about healthy habits, avoiding extremes, again, finding a balance.
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  SPEAKER_00: It also talks about having great personal connections, not only with God, but with each other, with family, with community.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's my interpretation that the by the Bible does speak of health through achieving balance.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh Joel, correct me if I'm wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, uh uh, no, you're you're exactly right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there there are, of course, um, I mean, I'm thinking of like leprosy.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was a huge one in the old testament that um that that people obviously did get healed from because I mean even as bad as it, I mean, it it was like the it was like the worst that anybody could have.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it is a terrible disease.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: It did, you know, it takes your fingers off and your nose off and all that.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um but but there was a there was a procedure, wasn't there, to go to the priest and um and and be pronounced clean.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean, so people people did get over it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we don't have any we don't have any specific I mean exactly.
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  SPEAKER_00: for the the leper that jesus healed but other than that we don't have any specific healings but but in the in the levitical in the in the mosaic law uh there were there were there was a a protocol for if you get over this and uh so even something as terrible as leprosy obviously there were people that um that reachieved balance yes yeah there i mean there's stories of healing throughout the bible um which that would be an interesting podcast too to j to dive into um but my my point for this podcast is um the the bible also speaks of finding balance to achieve health and it is it is physical emotional mental and spiritual balance and everything i'm gonna talk about today is actually based upon that um and and that was the amazing thing joel is that when after after god gave me this roadmap i call it a roadmap to healing i looked back and i started studying it and i was like all of these principles are biblical all of them not only that but they're all um you can see fingerprints of them through the story of ancient medicine so joel if you go back in time and i i'll take you back in time um now if you go back in time and you ask an ancient healer uh why do people get sick you would not hear anything about bacteria viruses germs right you'd probably get an answer something like there's something inside of you is out of balance okay because for most of human history disease wasn't seen as an attack from the outside it was actually understood as a disturbance of harmony between the body spirit and the universe or nature you know or God this idea of health as harmony as disease as imbalance does show up across the world from the rivers of Egypt to the mountains of Peru.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm going to take you through um a short um uh a tour through some of these ancient cultures just to get a peek into how some of these great civilizations understood health because your again your perception of what's happening in health and disease is in my opinion one of the best indicators of whether or not you're going to be able to reverse it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay you have to think of it the in a way that is empowering to you and in the a way that doesn't put you in a victim or fear based space.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Okay so let's start with um ancient China.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in traditional Chinese medicine health was and still is seen as a dance of yin and yang the the two opposite but complementary forces in all things again it's to achieve balance.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you had too much yin it could leave you uh sluggish or cold because yin was the cooling dark or restful force and if you had too much yang um it could leave you feverish or anxious or restless because yang is the active hot fiery force.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Chinese healers look to balance your yin and your yang they also look to the five elements right so back to back to nature they looked at uh wood, fire, earth metal metal and water these corresponds to different organs, emotions and seasons in that culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: So for example, if your liver was overactive which is uh which is represented by wood it might fuel anger if the kidneys were weak which is represented by water uh it could it could mean that fear has taken over right so they have these this connection between the emotions and the organs and nature okay and you're trying to find balance between them and and one thing I I want you to start looking at is to connect the dots as we go through these different cultures, see what they have in common.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's I I think it's pretty obvious and it's beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then there's also qi in traditional Chinese medicine.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: This is that vital energy that flows through the body along um energy centers or meridians.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: And illness meant that your qi was blocked or it was out of sync.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: And remedies could range from acupuncture to restore that flow of energy or herbal formulas for um like ginseng to restore vitality and energy.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: But the point is you have an energy flowing through your body and dis ease or lack of ease came from it being blocked and you need to restore it.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: An old one old Chinese medicine text described inserting needles into the wrist meridian to calm erasing heart.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: That was an early version of treating what we might call an anxiety attack today.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: So notice in that this ancient culture describes health as balance and what are they balancing they're balancing energy and Joel you and I on this program have talked a lot about energy and how modern science and modern medicine actually acknowledges that there is an electromagnetic field or an energy field that the body creates and it's called the biofield.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that term was actually coined by the National Institute of health there's been thousands of studies done on this at this point.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact modern scientists have measured the biophotons being created by the body and transported within the body so in other words it's saying let's not poo-poo these ancient cultures right just because of the terminology that they used at the time we even now have modern science that's saying this is real, it's visible it's measurable and yes when we measure that there's less of an energy flow in biophotons produced in an area it is that area is thicker the tissues are thicker.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay let's now travel south to India where we're gonna go find um Ayurveda that's a system that also believed that health was a balance this time they balanced it between three energies what are called doshas so there's vata which is air and space that's the energy of movement breathing and circulation then there's pita which is fire and water that's the energy governing digestion metabolism and transformation if you have too much pita for example you might burn with a fever or have acid reflux or have a short temper.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: And a treatment might be some cooling herbs like coriander and aloe vera.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the third energy is kha which is earth and water that and that's the energy governing stability growth and structure.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: So for example if you have too much kha congestion and sluggishness might take hold and a treatment might be a warming spice like ginger or black pepper.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: One Ayurvedic story that I found describes healing a fever not just with herbs but also get this Joel with shade, light meals and calming music lifestyle changes designed to quote cool the inner fire and to reset that fiery imbalance.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: So again we're talking about energies we're talking about rebalancing them and we're talking about using God's medicine herbs and also using lifestyle changes which the Bible also talks about in order to achieve uh balance now one thing I thought is interesting about Ayurveda is that the dosha balance the energy balance was said to be set at conception so this sounds similar to me to what modern science calls genetics where we say your genetics are set at birth and modern medicine says that you're then predisposed to certain diseases right now unlike modern medicine that tells you there's nothing you can do to change your genetics meaning you can't change your predisposition so you're doomed by your genes the ancient cultures believed that all you had to do to be healthy was create a balance.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: So you may be born with a certain energy pattern or what I call imprints in your biofield, right?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's the instruction manual for your body but you can bring those energies into balance and therefore achieve health and healing.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: So already what we're seeing is even though this is an ancient culture there's parallels with modern medicine.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's just we're calling this genetics instead of these doshas right and we have a victim state and they don't okay now let's cross to the Mediterranean I want to I want to bring you on three more quick stops just to really drill this in because you're not getting this message in mainstream uh medicine I want to make it blatantly obvious of the what the ability of the body is so let's go to ancient Greece and Rome.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: We're crossing over into the Mediterranean you're gonna find Hippocrates there who of course was a Greek physician he's considered the father of modern medicine.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're also going to find Galen he built upon Hippocrates' ideas he's actually considered the greatest physician of the Greco-Roman world they both taught that health depended on balance it depended on the four humors blood, phlegm, yellow bile and black bile each humor was linked to both body and your personality so again here's the mind here's the emotional component too much black bile for example and you might sink into melancholy if you had too much phlegm you might feel dull or sluggish or apathetic.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: If you had a fever they might prescribe a cooling diet again we have this concept of hot and cold but they might prescribe a cooling diet of cucumbers water and rust.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you were weighed down for example by too much phlegm they will recommend spicy food or a brisk walk which is still something that we do today and herbalists do today.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: For example, Joel, when I'm congested let's say I have a sinus congestion I consume a tincture of Hawaiian chili and it is oh my goodness it is spicy.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: I have to actually put like coconut oil in my mouth to try to like dilute it but it works in a matter of minutes the phlegm starts to loosen and the sinuses open up.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: So even today we consider these ancient cultures and a lot of times people do like I said poo-poo them like what did they know?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: They knew a lot and we're still using these concepts and remedies today um they did use some what some strategies that we would consider barbaric like bloodletting you know and um vomiting but but they were all done to restore balance and actually bloodletting was done for centuries even in until George Washington's time I mean I remember he died following repeat bloodletting for a throat infection that he had so these models have persisted for a long time but my point is um it's still the concept of we're trying to achieve a balance okay uh let's bring you through two more quickly let's go to ancient Egypt now to the Nile and the Egyptians again they saw health through a lens of balance now it was embodied in what was called um mahat if I'm pronouncing that correctly mahat it was the principle of cosmic order and harmony that illness was disorder and it was sometimes in their opinion from angry gods sometimes from spirits sometimes from a blocked like vessels that were carrying the life force so again we're seeing some similarities we're seeing this concept of a life force of an energy we're seeing the concept of spiritual warfare right of angry gods or angry spirits which is also in the Bible um but Egyptian medicine wasn't just spiritual they have what's called it's the papyrus the um the the evers papyrus that was written about 1550 BCE and it lists over 700 different remedies from honey and herbs for wounds to castor oil for constipation i mean Joel do these sound familiar at all like right we use these today like lots of holistic practitioners use these yeah you know just the whole the whole concept of um of of idiots in antiquity is is so I mean they didn't they didn't have computers they didn't have you know um chat GPT but think of the things that those ancient cultures did I mean from building the pyramids to the the Naz the Nazca lines in you know in South America uh the Inca temples I mean these these folks did amazing amazing things and uh from from building things to I mean the the Pueblo Indians of Colorado uh they've tried to duplicate their irrigation canals that ran for miles and miles out of the Rocky Mountains to their um maze fields and even with modern laser technology nobody's been able to duplicate those those channels those canals that were yeah how did they do that how I mean you know we're talking about a stone age they didn't even have a wheel you know um and and so so I I have I'm fascinated by you know antiquity cultures uh as well and uh I think the more we the more we learn the more we know uh the more you you just you just have to back up and say whoa uh these these folks knew things they they they knew some stuff they did and they weren't sick like we are yeah and and they uh yeah they weren't they weren't spending half their time you know watching uh football games and sitcoms and tick tock uh they actually they actually were out observing they were observing what was going on then they were responding to it um we we have just as a culture as a modern sophisticated culture we have technological culture we have literally just completely disconnected our senses from you know from from our you know from from our world it it just it just is and uh and so yeah uh don't ever under I mean the I still don't know I mean Stonehenge Easter Island the the you know the big um stone carvings uh I mean it's all wild man it's wild you know and uh they they they knew stuff they did the the the the uh the stones in um in Machu Picchu I mean that you that are multi-ton size stones and you can't slip a credit card in between the cracks how do they do that i it's incredible well maybe they thought clearer than we do because they weren't sick like us well maybe so but I mean what we do is we you know we we make stuff and we we put mortar in but in between them but uh these are these are loose laid loose laid stones uh that weigh tons and they are laid so perfectly you don't even need mortar yeah it's it's incredible yeah it's incredible well they certainly had much better balance than we have i mean you know and this is this is the point like i'm i'm glad you brought that up this is the point that we now are entrenched in a system dare i say brainwashed by a system um that is has dramatically veered from our heritage from from culture from the world's culture like you can't tell me that the bible's wrong that um you know ancient Greeks are wrong that ancient china's wrong that ancient India is wrong that the Native Americans were wrong like you can't tell me that all of these cultures were wrong and we've got it right even though we're sicker than any of them ever were I mean you know that's not even logical like even our ancient ancestors we know that once they got past childhood they lived to be um around the same age as us but they were healthier than us they lived well until the end and often would die in their sleep from what we could tell.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you can't tell me that they all got it wrong and that now we are right even though we're sicker and and children are sicker too over half of all children have at least one chronic illness.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_00: So we're doing something wrong.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: We should look to our history to see so it so along those lines let me let me add in one last culture because I would be remiss if we didn't add this one is the Native Americans.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: So if you cross the ocean over to the Americas you will uh arrive at the Native American tribes they saw health as harmony with the natural and the spiritual world so again we have the connection with nature just like in the Bible and um connection in a spiritual component to illness as well.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: So dis ease for them was a sign of being out of balance or out of harmony with this natural or spiritual world healing would often involve um shamans that would help to restore harmony through rituals or prayer or some kind of ceremony or also medicinal plants.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: So here again we have herbals we have connection with a god because we you know we have prayer there's music which is frequency healing through frequency through sound uh the Lakota for instance they use sweat lodges to purify the body and the spirit right we talk about that today like the importance of sweat for example and saunas the Cherokee they would brew teas from willow bark to reduce pain and fever and this is long before the Europeans isolated salicylic acid as the basis of aspirin.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: So they were way ahead of us um their remedies though they weren't just chemical they were embodied in ceremony in story and in connection with the land in an effort to achieve balance.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay so so let's connect the dots here what ties all of these ancient systems together is the idea that health is not just the absence of disease health is the presence of balance within yourself within the environment and within the greater forces of life or what Joel you and I would call God.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't until the 19th century that germ theory reframed illness as something external caused by some in some cases invisible microbes.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that shift brought about antibiotics and vaccines and the like which some will argue revolutionized medicine.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not one of those people I will say it narrowed our view.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: It created a fear-based perception of the body of the world and of each other and it served to strip our God given ability to tune into our own intuition instead it's made us sicker and dependent on a system that like we said is great with acute medical care but fails miserably when addressing chronic conditions because they don't know how to bring the body back into balance.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_00: The goal for them is to suppress the symptoms uh with but not actually removing these underlying triggers or causes which is lack of balance now again I don't think the doctors are being nefarious I think they want to help you they're just not taught balance in medical schools so ancient healers can serve to remind us that microbes don't tell the whole story that balance matters.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: So next time you feel kind of out of balance or out of sorts ask yourself okay is this really a bug or is it something in me?
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Is it something around me that's out of balance something in me that's out of balance right because whether it's yin, yang, pita, kaffa or blood or bile, the wisdom of the ancients still whisper that same message that to heal we must return to harmony and the first step in returning to harmony is understanding that disease is just an imbalance you have to release the fear of the word disease and of the diagnosis whether it's diabetes or COVID or measles it is an imbalance and the body can correct an imbalance but you have to believe that it's possible right and and I would love for you to chime in on here uh Joel I was thinking about this a lot I honestly feel like it's two different world views.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you know the Bible tells us not to be of this world.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: So one view is fate fixed.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: So you are it's a victim of powerless fear based view where the core belief is um you're hardwired at birth through your genes and you're just basically a passenger along for the ride your genes are going to determine your destiny.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so your identity becomes oh things happen to me or I just can't help it.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: It runs in my family.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing I could do and it Your mind, it's like, well, I'm predisposed to this, so I can't change it.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: So my job is basically to have somebody monitor my symptoms and manage it, manage the decline.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: The emotion that's invoked is fear.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so you become hyper-vigilant, hyper-vigilant, looking for something, like looking for the I need the diagnosis.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now I need um, you know, the the cure for that diagnosis.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you know, um, but you resign your authority to somebody else, some expert to give that to you, to do that for you.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: It becomes a compliance-based worldview where you are passive and you're waiting for a rescuer to give you this quote unquote perfect treatment that will never arrive.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the opposite of that, the second one is more of an agency-based worldview or or a um sovereignty-based worldview, where you view the body as resilient, that you have choices, that you are powerful.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And instead of walking in fear, you're walking in faith.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the core premise may be oh, I may have inherited some tendencies, which we would call doshas or genetic, um, you know, genetic predispositions, if you will.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: But those are plastic, right?
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: I can change that.
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Balance is just a moving target, and I can actually influence it.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: Your identity might then become, okay, I get to co-author what's next.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: So how do I actually restore my balance, right?
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: You're now an active participant in your own healing, and you're walking forward in courage and faith with curiosity and a willingness to experiment to see what works for you.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Where is your balance?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: You are not predisposed.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: It is not your destiny.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_00: Your inputs matter, your food, your sleep, your light exposure, your dark exposure, your movement, your relationships, your emotional state.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: All of this has an impact on you achieving your balance.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: So you become a proactive steward of your own health in your own life.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: And you do that by taking responsibility for where you got yourself and knowing that if you got yourself where you are, you can get yourself out, right?
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: That is the most empowering thing I can tell you today is once you take responsibility for where you got yourself, you're unstoppable at that point because now you realize that you are powerful and that you can actually turn that ship around for yourself.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if you break those down into one-liners, Joel, here's my one-liners.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_00: Victimhood treats disposition as a verdict, and sovereignty treats it as a variable.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just one variable, and you can change the variables.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: So the first step is to change your perception of disease, which I think we have painstakingly laid out here in that it is just an imbalance.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't want anyone walking away with any, well, mine's different.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this diagnosis, well, mine is stage four.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not just diabetes.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no, no, no, no, no.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: They are all imbalances, and I have just gone through great detail to show you this is how all cultures that I know of thought about it.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: This is how the Bible talks about it.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: So release that fear of that label, detach from it.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's the first thing that I had to do when I got a label, a diagnosis, and thank goodness that my husband was there and was thinking more logically than I was in that emotional state because he's the one that turned the ship around for me.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's the one that said, nothing has changed between the moment before you got that diagnosis to the moment after your body's still doing the same exact thing, but now you have a label and you must be stronger than that label.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I decided then and there, he's right.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Why am I gonna let that define me?
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_00: That is a man-made label.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: The Bible tells me otherwise, ancient cultures tell me otherwise.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: So let it go, let them have the label, right?
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's like that girl, what's her name, Mel something, Mel Robbins?
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_00: And she has that book about uh let them.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like let them do their thing and then let me.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's a really empowering thing.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_00: Have you heard of that?
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_01: No, but it's okay.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is great though.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is something that um it's such an easy thing.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: Us and I love simple, right?
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: The answer is usually in simplicity.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's that um you release, it's like forgiveness, right?
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: You release others and then you take responsibility for what you are doing.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's let them let me.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: So let them, let them have their diagnostic codes, right?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let them have their labels, let them have their pills, let them have their radiation, like their chemo treatments, let them do what they want to do.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna change that system.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: That is ingrained.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think Joel, you've talked about this in great detail.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's ingrained, enshrined from the Flexner report.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's there.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: Don't try to change that.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's an uphill battle.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let them have that.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then let me, let me understand and believe with all my heart that disease is just an imbalance, that God has a plan for us and He we can heal.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Let me believe that the Bible is telling truth about healing, that these ancient cultures know how to heal, right?
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: That is your choice.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_00: Let them, let me.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that that's the first step.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: The second step is once you believe that, now you have to picture health.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: You have to choose your goal, you have to create a new story for yourself.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: We are a culture that tends to live in the past.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: We drudge that past up with us into our present moment.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: We're worried about we we think of the past, right?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_00: We tend to kind of shame ourselves, blame ourselves for things we did in the past, or dwell on things that happened in the past, and we worry about the future.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: We're hardly ever in the present moment.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're either future or past at most all times of the day.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: That keeps you in fight or flight, right?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: So we're really good at saying what we don't want, right?
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want sickness, right?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't, I don't want to have pain, I don't want to see people in pain, I don't want to have inflammation, all that stuff.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: So shift it.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_00: Instead, attract what you want, right?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: You must speak.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: This is biblical as well.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: You are to renew your mind every day.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: The Bible tells you that.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Renew your mind and speak life over your body, right?
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and and over our children, over our communities, I would say.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_00: So renew your mind means let it go, let them let it go.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_00: Speak life over your body means what do you want your life to look like?
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_00: What is health to you?
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_00: You must picture that and you must engage all your senses to be able to create this new story.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: You can live this new story in your mind.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_00: And when you do that, and and this is this is not woo-woo here.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: The science has shown this to be true.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_00: You can create a picture in your mind, and the body will respond to it as though that is your reality.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you can dampen pain, you can decrease inflammation, for example.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I've talked about this study a lot on this program where you can increase your own leptin, uh, uh, you know, feeling um level of a hormone uh related to leptin that is associated with fullness.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: This was out of Stanford.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do you remember that, Joel, where they they fed um, they fed participants a meal and then they had them come back to the lab.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then before they fed them that same meal again, they told half of them that they had this gene that protected them against obesity.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: Remember that?
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: And the other half didn't have it.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then sure enough, the ones that were told that they had the gene, they produced roughly two and a half times this um hormone associated with fullness.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: So they felt sati um satiated, and so they didn't eat as much, right?
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: But the researchers lied to them.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Those not all those participants had that protective gene, but the belief that they had the gene actually changed their physiology in real time.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: It did protect them from becoming obese, and they measured this in real time.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I'm saying.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's the power of the tongue.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: You have to actually believe it, and you have to visualize yourself healthy and whole, whatever that visualization looks like to you, and it will reprogram your physical body.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the next, and I don't know how we're doing on time, Joel, but yeah, we're we're not out.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Let me let me I I wanna I want to just um pursue that a moment in because because there are well, you know, Dr.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: Cowan talks Dr.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_01: Tom Cowan.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um well he doesn't he doesn't use the term doctor anymore.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um Tom Cowan uh talks about um how you know that that there are reasons that you get sick, and one of them, for example, is toxins.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so um I just want to clarify that if you're if you're um living on whatever, McDonald's, uh you can you can think yourself you can visualize yourself as well all day, but if you are living on toxicity, that that is disharmony, and you can't you can't overcome with psychosomatics.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: You you can't overcome with your with your um visualization continued toxicity.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if you're out if you're out um you know in ingesting glyphosate all day as a farmer or paraquat, I mean I'm thinking, you know, how many farmers get leukemia and all these things because of this exposure.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: If I'm out here spraying, you know, glyphosate and paraquat and and breathing that in, I can visualize myself healthy all day.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, help help me to I'm I'm you see where I'm going with this.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and I I won't I won't be well, I won't be in harmony.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so there's a lot to unpack here.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh jump in as I'm speaking.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_00: So this is this is a very layered uh question.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so the first thing is it depends on the level of toxicity.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like everyone's an individual.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so we'll have to do part two because the next the next question is how do you figure out what is imbalanced in yourself, which is what you're talking about here.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_00: But let me give you a short answer first, and we can go into this in great detail in trying to find figure out what these imbalances are, how to find them, and how to remedy them.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: We can do that in part two.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: To address your question, it's not black or white.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: So everybody's an individual, everybody is going to have what we call different tipping points.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, everyone has different triggers.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that's just the the triggers are the things that are causing you to be out of balance.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_00: So for me, one of my triggers was gluten, which we've talked about on this program.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a trigger for everybody, it was a trigger for me.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, every so everyone has their own triggers.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody has their own tipping point amongst those triggers.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: So, how much exposure is too much?
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, just like one of my triggers was chicken.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, is it one bite of chicken?
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is it a whole breast of chicken?
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's there's a whole gradient.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_00: This is where the complexity, the level of complexity comes in.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I started small and simple, and then we're gonna build on complexity.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_00: But I will say there we can't definitively say that if somebody's eating McDonald's every day, they're going to be sick.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: We can't actually say that because there are people that live into their 90s who eat like junk, who smoke, right?
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_00: Who drink maybe more than we would consider a balanced, you know, level of drinking.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they don't get sick until like they're in their 90s.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: So the we have these anomalies.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why I want to be very careful in saying that there's always caveats, there's always exceptions.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: It it is a complex landscape.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that is because there's not just physical triggers.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_00: That's why you have to address physical, mental, emotional, spiritual.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, maybe someone's that 90-year-old, maybe they're eating McDonald's every single day, but maybe they actively practice forgiveness and they've been doing it for decades.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_00: We do know that if you don't forgive, you your detoxification pathways on the physical level tend to slow down.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_00: They get sluggish.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: So you are more predisposed to a toxin that you might consume in your food because your physical body can't necessarily um efficiently release it, like like somebody who has uh a lot of forgiveness in their lives.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: So it really depends on the person and the balance of all of those areas, which are all those are the road, um, you know, I I describe it as God showing me a roadmap.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the stops along the roadmap, and you're trying to find balance in each of those areas, and they all work together.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_00: So uh while I don't subscribe to consuming those toxins, you know, somebody else may not be as sensitive to a particular toxin as I am.
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_00: Does it did that answer your question?
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and and and and uh yeah, we we're we are out of time, but uh it it's we're definitely have to go to go to um um second sec sec second verse, same as the first, a little bit louder, a little bit worse here on on uh uh on drilling down on the roadmap here.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: But but two, a person can be so uh so paranoid and fixated on on pure food that they get ulcers worrying about worrying about the food they ate.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_01: So so uh that I've seen that as well.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that people are are are unhealthy, they're eating a an an incredibly pure diet, but that's they're they're obsessed with it every day.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: Where am I gonna get and they're just in a body in a in a turmoil, their life's in a turmoil, their mind is in a turmoil, uh because they're always concerned about, you know, we I I see this, for example, now in the in people that are um uh pufas and and um you know, just you know, no, no corn, zero corn, uh, zero soybean, you know, um zero can never have a a single ounce of um of uh you know oils, seed oils.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um and they just they're just they're just fixated on this to the point of obsession and distraction.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um and and and you know, I'm I'm not trying to tell people to just go eat canola oil.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um but but but I am saying that there's a there's a place here where you can become so obsessed and fixated on it that you actually um you actually hurt yourself because you actually put your own body in bondage to this to this almost uh uh addiction to perfection.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_00: And you're proving my point because when you are fixated like that, you're not in balance, right?
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's a state of chronic stress.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: I see people like that consistently come to me for help and they're like, I'm doing all the right things.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like I'm eating all this, and everything's from scratch, and I'm not eating any of this, and whatever.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: And they're very, very sick and they're wondering why.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_00: And part of it is what you're talking about, it's it became a stressor.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: It became one more variable that's causing them to be sick because they're striving for something that doesn't actually exist.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: So you can't achieve that like state of quote unquote perfection, they're just not in balance.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I agree with you 100%.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it we definitely need to do a part two because we will walk through how to find different imbalances, what the most common imbalances are, and how to correct them.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so let's let's um let's just uh put a pen in that right now, and um we're gonna sign off for today, but then I think I think what we're gonna do is we're just gonna continue this discussion, tape another session for this that can just part one, part two, because it's such a it's such a uh powerful thing.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: And once we once we get these recorded, Cena, they will be in our library so that so that these these questions about chronic illness, you know, I they they they come all the time.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_01: Here's the thing people like us that are out on those on the whatever the innovative edge of stuff.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: My mentor Alanation used to say, all of us entrepreneurs eventually hate our customers.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_01: And the re and the re and the reason, well, um just stay stay with me here a minute, okay?
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: The reason is because is because out here on the edge, um innovative thinkers, we're we're learning, we're challenging ourselves, we're getting new stuff, but every day there are new people coming into the fold, if you will, new sheep coming into the fold, that this, that, that this whole concept is brand new.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's why we have FAQs, right?
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: Frequently asked questions on our websites, is because every day our universe is expanding with brand new, you know, converts, new interests who are who are one day removed from eating out of the sheets gas station, you know.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: And and and and um, and so I'm excited about this this podcast because I feel like it can go almost into our into our FAQ library, if you will, because this is absolutely one of the most common questions uh that that we get because it speaks directly.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I have this.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do about that?
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_01: I have this.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do about this?
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, no.
• 1:03:19
  SPEAKER_01: You don't understand.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_01: I have this, you know.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we get that, don't we?
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: We get that all of the time.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: And and in fact, you know, uh, I you know, I still wrestle with it.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everybody I know wrestles with it because our whole culture is is uh is fixated on on labels, on let's get this thing diagnosed, then we can get a, you know, um, how do you know, how do you know how you can fix it if you don't know what you have?
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so we're all about, you know, what do I have?
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what do I have?
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and so this is just a very I'm just thrilled that you're ready to tackle this in such a in such a broad, uh, a broad way.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: So uh question of the day for our um for our folks here is um is have you ever been labeled or are you currently labeled a um with some sort of a chronic thing?
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: And um and if so, how are you going to mentally, spiritually, psychologically, how has this podcast um made you think differently about that, about that diagnosis or that label?
• 1:04:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: Because, you know, look, look, Cena, you know, the Bible also says confession is good for the soul.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: So if I've if I've been if I've allowed myself to be victimized by the system, it's good to confess that.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_01: I okay, I've been I've been um I've I drank the Kool-Aid, unfortunately.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: I confess.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: Now let's let's uh let's figure out how to get out through it.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so everybody stay tuned for part two.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: It'll be coming up.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_01: But we thank you for being with us.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's always a delight to share this time with you, and uh, we look forward to visiting with you next week on another Beyond Labels podcast.