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Con-Artists, Catfishes & A Crazed Couple · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, welcome to an episode I legally Brunette. I'll
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  Speaker 1: be your host today Emily Simpson with Shane. Oh you
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  Speaker 1: wait for me to say with before you come in
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  Speaker 1: on your part. All right, I'm super excited because we
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  Speaker 1: are actually recording this episode from the Bahamas. We are
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  Speaker 1: here on vacation with the kids, but we are at
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  Speaker 1: the Bahamar Resort and the Bahamas, and they have a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful podcast studio. It's called the Studio at Bahamar. So
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  Speaker 1: we are using their studio today. So a big thank
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  Speaker 1: you to Bahamar for inviting us into their studio to
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  Speaker 1: record our episode from here. It's absolutely stunning. This is
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  Speaker 1: way nicer than what we have at home. And so
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  Speaker 1: I was telling Shane, I feel like we need to
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  Speaker 1: go home, and like I think we need to mimic
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  Speaker 1: the studio. Oh, we just come here every week, or
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  Speaker 1: we could just come here every week. That's a good
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  Speaker 1: idea too. All right, So first of all, before we
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  Speaker 1: get into it, we are going to talk about a
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  Speaker 1: Toxic Love Story, which was a new documentary that came
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  Speaker 1: out on Netflix, and so many of you, which I
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  Speaker 1: absolutely love, have reached out to me on Instagram and
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  Speaker 1: said please you guys have to talk about a toxic
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  Speaker 1: love story. So we are going to get into that.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the Idaho murders. It's called
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  Speaker 1: A College Nightmare, and it's a new three part documentary
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  Speaker 1: series which chronicles the murders of the four University of
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  Speaker 1: Idaho's students. It just recently came out on Netflix. You know,
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  Speaker 1: at first, I didn't know if I was going to
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  Speaker 1: watch it or not, because we've already done an episode,
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  Speaker 1: We've already talked about Brian. I thought, what else information
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  Speaker 1: is out there? You know, we talked about Brian Coberger.
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  Speaker 1: We just talked about him last week about how he
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  Speaker 1: wants to withdraw his guilty plea. So I thought, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, do I really want to sit and watch
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  Speaker 1: three parts about something that we I feel like we've
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  Speaker 1: you know kind of I did.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself. I did watch it. I actually
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  Speaker 1: thought it was done very well and I found it
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  Speaker 1: extremely informative. And I yeah, it's directed by sky Borgman.
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  Speaker 1: She also did Unknown Number the High School Catfish. You
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  Speaker 1: remember that case, and she does, yes, but she does
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  Speaker 1: it in a way where this is the first time
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  Speaker 1: that I've ever seen they pulled all the police bodycam footage,
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  Speaker 1: and then she does interviews with not only the family
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  Speaker 1: of the four victims, but also with you know, their friends,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, they put it all together. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was very well done. I learned some things that
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  Speaker 1: I did not know previously. It's called The Idaho Murders
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  Speaker 1: College Nightmare. The series aims to honor the lives of
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Gunsolves, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin while
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  Speaker 1: examining how the case shook the small college town of Moscow, Idaho.
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  Speaker 1: This is a quote from the director Sky Borgman, and
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  Speaker 1: she said, making this series became deeply personal to me
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  Speaker 1: because I felt a responsibility to keep Kaylee, Madison, Xana,
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan at the center of every decision we made.
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  Speaker 1: At a time when so much attention has been focused
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  Speaker 1: on the case itself, I felt it was really important
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  Speaker 1: to create something that brings the focus back to who
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  Speaker 1: they were, the lives they lived, and the love that
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  Speaker 1: still surrounds them. And you know, I think that's it's
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  Speaker 1: so that's why I really enjoyed this series. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it got into obviously the you know, the legality of
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  Speaker 1: Brian Coburger and everything, but also I felt like I
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  Speaker 1: had a better understanding of the four victims and who
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  Speaker 1: they were, who their friends were, what their daily life
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  Speaker 1: was like. But you know, I took away some questions
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  Speaker 1: from it. First of all, we all know, based upon
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  Speaker 1: past history and episodes we've done before, that there was
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  Speaker 1: a dog in the home. His name's Murphy. And when
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  Speaker 1: the police arrive at the house. It's very interesting because
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  Speaker 1: you get a visual of what the house looked like
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  Speaker 1: when they arrived. And one of the other things that
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  Speaker 1: still kind of blows my mind. Again, we could beat
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  Speaker 1: this with a dead horse, but you know that the
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  Speaker 1: two surviving roommates that were down in the bottom level,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't call police until I believe it was like
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  Speaker 1: eight hours later. They include the nine one one calls,
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  Speaker 1: And first of all, there was an eight hour delay
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  Speaker 1: between when this the murders happened in the house in
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  Speaker 1: the middle and when it was eventually reported. You can
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  Speaker 1: if you know anything about this case. That's been the
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  Speaker 1: biggest debate. There's so many people out there. You can
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  Speaker 1: look at Reddit, you can look at what people post.
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  Speaker 1: People constantly question why they waited eight hours because they
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  Speaker 1: were scared. They did see a man in the house
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  Speaker 1: with the ski mask on, they did hear noises, they so,
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  Speaker 1: but they waited until I believe noon the next day
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  Speaker 1: to actually make the call. Now they play the nine
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  Speaker 1: one one call. And this is what's confusing to me,
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  Speaker 1: because when they play the nine one one call, they
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  Speaker 1: make it as if they're calling and I believe it
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  Speaker 1: was a neighbor that actually came over and checked out
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  Speaker 1: the house and made the nine one one call. But
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  Speaker 1: when they talk to the dispatcher, they make it as
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  Speaker 1: if it's like, like Xana's not waking up, And so
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  Speaker 1: I believe the dispatcher takes it as like we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about college students that probably drink too much the night
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  Speaker 1: before and she's passed out and she's not waking up.
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  Speaker 1: She needs medical attention, and that's the way it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of transcribed over to the medics and the police. I
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  Speaker 1: believe when they come on scene, they're thinking they're walking
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  Speaker 1: into a situation in which they probably have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: an alcohol poisoning or like an overdose of some type,
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  Speaker 1: and they're talking about one female that's like not waking up.
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  Speaker 1: Xanna is the one who fought back. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: originally goes up to the top floor and he he
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  Speaker 1: kills Maddie and Kaylee first. And I believe the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: has always had the theory and I think a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people have also theorized that one of those girls
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  Speaker 1: was the intended victim and he did not expect to
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  Speaker 1: find them sleeping in the bed together, so then he
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  Speaker 1: had to kill both of them. Then he makes his
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  Speaker 1: way out of that bedroom, and they also believe that
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  Speaker 1: a possibility is that he didn't expect to find Xana
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  Speaker 1: in the hallway, so then he has to Then he
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  Speaker 1: has a fight with her. She fights back.
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  Speaker 2: She's done a lot of unexpected encounterings. Yeah, and my
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  Speaker 2: thought wasn't to kill them.
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  Speaker 1: Well thought, but you didn't kill someone else first the
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  Speaker 1: other way. Yeah, well, but you didn't murder someone first
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  Speaker 1: before you then encountered someone else that you weren't expect
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  Speaker 1: to encounter. Then he ends up having this fight with Xana,
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  Speaker 1: and we know she has a lot of defensive wounds.
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  Speaker 1: I believe she had close to fifty defensive wounds, so
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  Speaker 1: we know she put up a struggle with him. She
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  Speaker 1: goes into the bedroom where Ethan, her boyfriend is asleep.
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  Speaker 1: That's another one of my questions. I don't understand how
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  Speaker 1: he has this fight with Xanna in the hallway, which
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  Speaker 1: then moves into the bedroom and her boyfriend is in
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  Speaker 1: the bed, but he doesn't end up. To me, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't ever seem like he's fighting both of them at
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  Speaker 1: the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Maybe some of this will come out.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, Back to my dog, Murphy the dog. They actually
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  Speaker 1: explain the in this new documentary that they find the dog,
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  Speaker 1: the dog's unharmed, and the police call an animal shelter
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  Speaker 1: to come and get the dog. I was bothered by that.
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  Speaker 1: It really bothered me that they called an animal shelter
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  Speaker 1: because I feel like, if you take the dog away
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  Speaker 1: and he ends up in an animal shelter, he can
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  Speaker 1: just get lost out there in an animal shelter. I
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  Speaker 1: don't understand why he wasn't given to someone else or
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  Speaker 1: a family member or something. I don't know. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: so now Murphy the dog is living with Jack, who.
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  Speaker 2: Was not an issue. Well, I was probably take them
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  Speaker 2: to some authorities that can watch over animals, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But I just know how a dog could get lost
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  Speaker 1: in the system of an animal shelter and I just
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  Speaker 1: felt terrible. But anyway, Murphy the dog ends up back
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  Speaker 1: with Jack, who is the ex boyfriend. Also, Jack shows
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  Speaker 1: up in this documentary because he's it's his ex girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: So he's at the house and he's asking the police
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  Speaker 1: what's going on, and he's saying, I'm the ex boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: and they immediately when they hear he's the ex boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: This is after now they've realized that. Now when the
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  Speaker 1: police have now realize that there are four people dead
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  Speaker 1: in this house. When he's out there talking to the
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  Speaker 1: police saying I'm the ex boyfriend, they immediately detain him
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  Speaker 1: and they put it in the police car and you
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  Speaker 1: can hear them. They're on like you know, they're on
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  Speaker 1: their body camp footage and they're like, this is the
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  Speaker 1: ex boyfriend. We've got it, like we're gonna.
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  Speaker 2: You know, African I mean ex boyfriend right right.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, they put him in the car. He's asking
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  Speaker 1: a lot of questions. They do show video of him
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  Speaker 1: being taken I don't know, downtown right to the police station.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's cleared pretty quickly. He has an alibi.
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  Speaker 1: He was with friends that night. A lot of friends
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  Speaker 1: you know, testify to like he's you know with.
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  Speaker 2: Them, So last time I say, I'm the ex boyfriend. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, he now has Murphy the dog, and Murphy
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  Speaker 1: has his own Instagram. He's he was a good ex boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: His name's Jack. He has Murphy. Murphy's fine. Another takeaway.
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  Speaker 1: And I've said this a million times, but I cannot
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  Speaker 1: get it out of my mind. I still cannot figure
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  Speaker 1: out how Brian Coburger killed four people in that house
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  Speaker 1: within an eight minute timeframe. It just blows my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Other than maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Many minutes would make you feel more comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: I think he needs like fifteen minutes. Eight just seems
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  Speaker 1: so quick. I just other than he was just running
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  Speaker 1: on pure adrenaline, and that he didn't expect to run
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  Speaker 1: into the other three people, and that I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't think it takes as long as you think it
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  Speaker 2: takes you. There's a documentary called well, there's an incident
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  Speaker 2: in Sandy Sidro that took place. It was a mass
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  Speaker 2: shooting and it resulted in twenty two deaths. He went
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  Speaker 2: into a McDonald's and shot in the parking lot too,
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  Speaker 2: twenty two deaths. In seventy seven minutes. Actually, no, I
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  Speaker 2: tata twenty two deaths, and the whole incident from the
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  Speaker 2: time the shooter was taken down by snipers with seventy
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  Speaker 2: seven minutes. Probably the whole incident to kill twenty two
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  Speaker 2: people and injure to another twenty with gunshots was a
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  Speaker 2: matter of like ten minutes. I mean, how long do
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  Speaker 2: you want it to take?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he has a knife. That's why I'm saying it's
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  Speaker 1: a killer.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like he's like.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody's never killed in doing it, nobody's never killed before.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just saying eight minutes seems like such a
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  Speaker 1: small time frame for him to slip in the house,
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  Speaker 1: go upstairs, kill Maddie, kill Kayley, come back downstairs, run
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  Speaker 1: into Xana, kill her up in the bedroom, kill Ethan.
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  Speaker 1: Why is Ethan not fighting him while he's fighting Dana.
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand that part.
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  Speaker 2: I'll try another analogy. Okay, And you watch shows and
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  Speaker 2: all that in the romance, Yeah, and the sacks he
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  Speaker 2: has makes it like hours long? Yeah, it's like five seven,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it in real life?
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  Speaker 1: I don't This is a strange analogy, but it wanted.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. This has always been on my mind.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know anyway one more thing that I took
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  Speaker 1: away from it, and I might have more things, but
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  Speaker 1: at the end, I believe it's the chief of police.
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  Speaker 1: They interview him throughout, he's involved in the investigation. At
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  Speaker 1: the very end, he says that he and some of
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  Speaker 1: the other officers that responded and were involved in the case,
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  Speaker 1: they were so affected by what they saw that day
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  Speaker 1: that they've all had to have therapy. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was really interesting. That's not something that we normally
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  Speaker 1: talk about. It's not we don't normally think about how
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  Speaker 1: even the.
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  Speaker 2: Police officers might be a little traumatized to what they
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  Speaker 2: see and experience on certain an occasion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I won. I thought it was really I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was great that here's this you know, chief
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  Speaker 1: of police or whatever his official title was. He's ahead
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  Speaker 1: of this investigation. He's a strong, you know, strapping manly man.
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  Speaker 1: But he admits that they were so affected by these
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  Speaker 1: college murders that by walking into this crime scene and
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  Speaker 1: going through what they had to and the investigation, that
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  Speaker 1: they needed therapy. And that he admitted that and and
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  Speaker 1: talked about it. And I think that was a really
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  Speaker 1: you know, we don't ever think about that. We talk
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  Speaker 1: about all these cases, and we talk about murders, and
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  Speaker 1: we talk about how it affected the families or the friends,
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  Speaker 1: and but we don't really talk about or think about
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  Speaker 1: the first responders and what it is that they see
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  Speaker 1: and what they come up on. And I do you
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  Speaker 1: think about it?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Oh, well think about how you don't talk about him?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, I'm glad you're smiling, and I gave.
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  Speaker 1: You Okay, but here, no, I give you. I give
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  Speaker 1: you nasty looks when you're not looking. One more thing
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  Speaker 1: we talked about Brian Coberger because if you guys remember
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  Speaker 1: back on July twenty, twenty twenty six, he announced, remember
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  Speaker 1: he wrote that affid David and said that he was
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  Speaker 1: looking to take back his guilty plea. He said, my
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  Speaker 1: actual innocence is my truth, and the plea hinged on
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  Speaker 1: by false promises and blatant disinformation, must be withdrawn. Look,
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  Speaker 1: here's where I'm out with Brian Coburger, because after watching that,
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  Speaker 1: I'm even more convinced that it was him and he
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  Speaker 1: acted alone.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you had some doubts earlier.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there are people that have doubts a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people say he couldn't have done it alone.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I was too quick.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I say that eight minutes. You know. Anyway, here,
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  Speaker 1: take back his guilty plea. Let's go to trial, Brian Coberger.
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  Speaker 2: Put him on the stand.
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  Speaker 1: Put him on the stand. I want him grow well,
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  Speaker 1: he'll never testify on his own, behalf. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: He's such a narcissist. He might you're right, but you
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  Speaker 1: know what, Let's take him to trial. Let's go to trial.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put all the forensic evidence out there. Let's put
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  Speaker 1: all the digital his digital footprint where you know. I
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  Speaker 1: also read this was not in the documentary, but I
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  Speaker 1: read there was someone out there that was involved in
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  Speaker 1: the forensics and they came to the conclusion based upon
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, longitude, latitudes, way beyond the scope of
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  Speaker 1: my my forensic knowledge, but they said that they place
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  Speaker 1: him in the house on multiple occasions prior to him
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  Speaker 1: committing that crime. So there is the theory out there
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  Speaker 1: that he had been stalking one of the girls, probably
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  Speaker 1: Madison or Kayley, and that he had entered the house
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  Speaker 1: before that he knew the layout of the house, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why also maybe he could do it within eight
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  Speaker 1: minutes because he didn't know where to go. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: fumbling around inside the home.
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  Speaker 2: System, I know.
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  Speaker 1: But I do remember reading about the forensics. They were
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  Speaker 1: talking about whatever data there is, big words, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember that and that's what it said. But anyway, again,
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  Speaker 1: let him withdraw his guilty. Please, let's put him on
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  Speaker 1: the stand. He wouldn't testify, but let's put all the evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get all the evidence out there. Let's figure out
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  Speaker 1: the motive. Let's try him.
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  Speaker 2: Let's crack and tell the story and give a plea
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  Speaker 2: deal or something.
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  Speaker 1: No, but I want him. I want him to get
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  Speaker 1: the death penalty, So put him. So let's put him
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  Speaker 1: on trial.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. Do you every think sometimes they
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  Speaker 2: should like the same thing should happen to them, Like
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  Speaker 2: let's put him in a room, let's have someone hunt
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  Speaker 2: him down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, hi, yeah, I think about that a lot with
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  Speaker 1: these cases. Remember, like I mean even you know, remember
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  Speaker 1: the scream murders where that was that young girl that
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  Speaker 1: was house sitting and they turned the lights off in
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  Speaker 1: the house and attack her and staff.
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  Speaker 2: Or like the husband's that push the wives off the cliffs. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to yeah, we should go hiking with husbands
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  Speaker 2: and push them off the cliffs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and just be like, look at the view.
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  Speaker 1: Take a picture, look at the view. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: move on to a toxic love story. This was very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I actually had to do some further research after I
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  Speaker 1: watched the Netflix documentary because I didn't feel like it
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  Speaker 1: gave me very much information. But we are in a
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  Speaker 1: quiet California suburb and newlywed begins receiving messages from someone
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  Speaker 1: who seems to want her dead, and all the digital
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  Speaker 1: evidence points unmistakably to one woman, her husband's e What
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  Speaker 1: follows is a calculated, deeply personal campaign of terror so
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  Speaker 1: elaborate it's hard to believe a real person could have
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  Speaker 1: orchestrated it. As investigators close in on their suspect, something
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  Speaker 1: just feels slightly off. All right, So this is a
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  Speaker 1: toxic love story. It was on Netflix. I would have
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  Speaker 1: to say, just to be honest about this, I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel like Netflix did a great job of giving any
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  Speaker 1: background information or facts that you need to actually understand. No,
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  Speaker 1: I think there is a a reveal. There is a
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  Speaker 1: shocking reveal where the person you think is doing it
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, and we're going to get into that.
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  Speaker 1: But I think in order for Netflix to maintain that
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  Speaker 1: integrity of the shock that they want the viewer to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to feel, they had to leave out pertinent
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: facts because if you had these facts, you could have
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: felt like at the end that yeah, and I feel
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: like I feel like Netflix focused so much on just
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: having this shocking reveal, they left out a lot of
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the information that you would need in order to understand
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: actually what's going on. But let's get into it. So
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: we're in twenty thirteen, and this is the relationship that
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: begins between Michelle Hadley and Ian Diaz. He's a deputy
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: US Marshall. That's interesting, and they meet on a dating
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: app in August of twenty thirteen. Ian tells Michelle he
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: loves her by the second date. Wow, this actually takes
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: place in Anaheim, California. By the waycha, he's well, I mean,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: according to him.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: He probably one of the second day he loves them.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: He's love bombing, right.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's his first second.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Date, his first second date. Yeah, oh that makes sense,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: it's his first second maybe.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Well, he loves her. He's like, you're gonna go out
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: with me again? I love you.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me give you another information about him. You
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: can tell me what you decipher from that. He is
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: one of those Disneyland adults. He loves Disney and with
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: no kids, no kids, but loves Disney and loves to
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: go to Disney all the time.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: What does he do there?
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: He just walks around.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: Out in Fantasyland or where is he? Mostly?
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I don't knowbody loves Disney.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Oh oh, okay, you murders can love Disney too.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: He's not a murderer. Oh sorry, nobody murders anybody in
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: this is a true well you can have crime that
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: is a crime.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: We're going to give a teaser at the beginning for.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I did Well. It's stalking and cyber crimes, all right. So,
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: December twenty fourteen, And proposes to Michelle during a Christmas
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: trip to New York City. Then the couple buys a
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars condo in downtown Anaheim, which,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: by the way, he wants to buy it because it's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: located so close to Disneyland. He can see the they
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: can see the fireworks at night from their balcony. Michelle
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: puts down roughly fourteen thousand dollars of her own savings
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: and that's for the down payment. I believe because I
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: had to go and watch There was a dateline episode
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: on this as well. So if if you actually want
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: facts and information about this case that makes sense, you
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: have to do your own research. She cannot rely on Netflix,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: so I went outside of Netflix watched the Dateline one.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Also read a lot of articles and figured out that
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: they bought this condo together in Anaheim and that she
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: put the down payment down.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, now this is their forever home or is this
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: like their getaway to go to Disneyland.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: No, this is like they're living there together, very young couple.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: You know they bought this condo.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Michelle later alleges that Ian became controlling. He was monitoring
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: her location, installing cameras and pressuring her into a sexual
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: scenario involving another mantall cameras I don't know. She says
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: she eventually gave into the sexual fantasy on Valentine's Day
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen, an incident that she compared to rape.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So that's awful.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think this is what I think about Michelle.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I think she was a very sweet, naive young girl.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I think Ian was semi good looking. He's a US Marshal,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: and he love bombed her, and I don't think she
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: had a lot of experience, so.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: She probably thought this is love. He loves me. So
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: this is my husband.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Right, Well, they're not married yet, but this.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Is my husband. Yes, I will marry you.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Right, they move in together, they get this condo together,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: all right. Michelle also says Ian pressured her to take
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: a lower paying marketing job at Disneyland, which she believed
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: was so his former coworkers could keep tabs on her. Oh. Yeah,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he used to work at Disneyland before he became a
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: US Marshal. Okay, so his obsession with Disney is a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: bit questionable. Odd. Well, then we get to August judgments here, August,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what you judge everyone? What are you talking about? Yes?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: You do? Well, if the murder I do, then I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: call it my murderer. You call him crooks, crooked murders.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: All right, So we get to August of twenty fifteen,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Michelle and Ian split up. She moves out of their
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: shared condo, but remains on the hook for half of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the mortgage.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: So two years later they split up.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she she finally realizes like this controlling behavior is
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: not normal and she needs to get a away from him.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Following the breakup, Michelle sends and to emotionally charge, religiously
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: worded emails, messages that would later be used against her.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if what kind of cont I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: don't know if I had it away from No.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: They she she was religious, and I know she sent
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: two emails that had some religious undertones like God will
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: judge you or something like that. I don't have the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: exact wording, but they were religious in nature and religious tone,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and she did send two of them. They both end
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: up this is by late twenty fifteen. They both end
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: up hiring real estate attorneys to mediate the condo dispute.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: They agreed. None of this was in the Netflix documentary.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: By the way, what any of this matter? Yeah?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: It does? Okay, all right, So you have to understand,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: because you can't in the Netflix. You don't really understand
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: why he has such a like animosity towards her and
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: why he wants to do all these things that he's
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: doing to her. You don't understand it. You're like, well,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: what is like, she's an ex, she left, she doesn't
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: to be with him.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, but before you get why couldn't it just be
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: he's crazy and he's like psycho and attached to her,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: right like he's a.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Because he's not. He moved on and he has a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: new wife. He gets married very quickly after they break up,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: all right, So both of them end up hiring real
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: estate attorneys to mediate the condo dispute, and they agree.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: They come to a mediation agreement that starting in June
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen, Ian alone would be responsible. This is important.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: You have to understand I'm following all that Ian alone
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: would be responsible for the mortgage and he would be
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: forced to sell or if he can't cover the mortgage himself,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: he has to sell the condo and split the proceeds
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: with Michelle.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she still has an interest in the condo,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: but he's supposed to be financially responsible for it going forward.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Right, But he only has like a certain amount of time.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: I think he has like six months or something in
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: order to get everything in order to get his own loan.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: And if he can't do that, then they have to
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: sell the condo and split it very quickly after they
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: break up. So now we get to February of twenty sixteen,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Ian marries Angela Connell after meeting her on a dating
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: site roughly one month earlier.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Disney dating site.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's dating.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I don't patrol dating site.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Angela moves into the Anaheim condo and soon claims to
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: be pregnant with twins.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You got here pregnant with twins? All right? Like he
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: has moved on. He did move on.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he meets this girl and the months later they
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: get married. She moves into the condo. So now she's
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: living in the condo that he bought with the X. Right,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: so she wants to stay in the condo. She claims
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: she's pregnant with twins. So that's where we're at now.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: With him as the father.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I assume he believes he's the father.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's lot of crazy people out there. Okay, So
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: all right.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: All right, so you got the players, all right? So
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Ian married Angela. Angela claims to be pregnant with twins.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: They're living in the condo that he bought with Michelle, right, Okay.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Angela begins receiving threatening emails from a sender named lilis Truth.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Now lilis her last name is Truth.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: No, it's a made up name. Lilis's Truth. So anyway,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know Jane Doe. No, not like Jane Doe.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Jingdo would be Jane Doe. Liliths Truth is the name
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: of the account that these emails are coming from, and
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a Lilith, which I didn't know because.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Me. Yeah, no, they explain it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Lilith is. Do you know the name Lilith?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Oh? I just know this email account. No.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Well, the name Lilith, I guess has some type of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: religious undertone to it. In Jewish folklore and medieval text,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Lilith is described as Adam's first wife. Did you know
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Adam had a first wife?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Are you talking Adam and Eve? Yes, keep going.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Adam's first wife who was created from the same dust
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: of the earth, but she left Eden after refusing to
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: be subservient. So her name is Lilith, So it's a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: religious undertone of this.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Lilith Truth is the last So.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Angela and Ian accuse Michelle Hadley, his ex girlfriend, of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: sending these emails.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Michelle, on the other hand, begins noticing suspicious account activity.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Google and Microsoft notices for accounts that she did not create. Okay,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So on June twenty first, that's your birthday. June twenty first,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: at twenty.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Sixteen, on day of the year, first day of summer.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Shane's birthday if anybody wanted to know. Yeah,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: his birthday was on Father's Day this year. And just
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: fun fact, I went to in.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Fact, Emily left me on my birthday and Father's Day.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I went to Idaho to do a horse drive the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: day before his birthday. And I have never heard the
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: end of it since then. So here's the first police report.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Anne and Angela go to the Anaheim Police Department and.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Report Angela's number two, right, Yes, Angela's.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Wife number two, and she's claiming to be pregnant with twins.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And they only knew each other for a month and
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: they got married, okay, And they're living in the condo
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that Michelle paid the down payment, and Michelle is now gone,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: right Okay. They go to the Anaheim Police Department and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: report that Michelle Hadley is harassing, threatening, and cyberstalking Angela.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Angela tells the police that Michelle has been sending violent,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: threatening emails, including threats to her and her unborn children.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: You know, they show some of these emails and the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: wording A lot of it has all these religious undertones,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: talking about Lilith and God will punish you. And then
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I guess she also puts photos of like dead babies
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and aborted fetuses, all kinds of things. So it's like,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: it's not just its So.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: How do we only because they're claiming it came from
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: girlfriend number one?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: They're claiming it came from her.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: There's nothing in there that says.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It no, Okay, well no no.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: And it's only because of the emails that they say
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it came from her. There's no other evidence there. Why
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: wouldn't they just label it her name? Is there gonna?
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was maybe it was too obvious. I don't
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: know they I don't know, all right. So then in
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: June twenty sixteen, we get to the point where men
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: are showing up at the condo. So also there was
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a fake Craigslist, Like, I didn't know you could do
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this on Craig's List?
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Did you didn't know you can go on Craigslist and
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: make Oh wait, what is it?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You didn't even let me finish?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: First of all, finish they create there is a a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: fake Craigslist posting talking about wanting a rape fantasy. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it's soliciting someone to come to Angela's condo and to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: like play out like a rape fantasy.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Right, And you didn't know someone could post that thing.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I didn't know you could post something like that on Craigslist.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: We probably can't probably get taken down.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying I look at Craigslist, but I.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Just look at like we didn't we do a case
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: once where there was like that where they claim they
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: they they recruited a victim to come and act like
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: he was going to be the the assailant. Yeah that
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: was and then they they he was really an innocent victim.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah that was the That was the out pair, the
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Brazilian pair, right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Kind of this utilized Craigslist, Right, So.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: They're using Craigslist and there's a rape fantasy ad posted
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: on Craigslist, which is.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Something I bet Craig never thought would be used.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Probably not Craig out there, just like what is going on?
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: This gives Angela claims of harassment that pressures police and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: prosecutors to act. So Angela calls the police, right, and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: then the police show up and she's saying that a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: man showed up at her house for this fake rape
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: fantasy situation with her that she had nothing to do with.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And they showed up at her condo because the ad
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: obviously put the address of her condo in pictures of
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: her in it, saying that she was like she was
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: the one that was posting it wanting this type of fantasy.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And so someone, she claims, calls the police and claims
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that someone showed up to like execute this fantasy.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: The person that sees this ad and thinks, oh, yeah,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I'll go and phil phillis fantasy. I mean that's a little.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Well, they interview the guy because there is a guy
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: that actually showed up.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Well, and that guy probably that might not be the
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: first place he showed up too. He might search regularly.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there were I mean, this this rape fantasy on
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Craigslist was posted more than once because I believe that
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: there was someone who actually did show up, and then
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I believe that. Then then when she calls the police,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: she she claims that she was attacked by someone in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: her garage, and she says they grabbed the back of
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: her neck.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And you know, don't these guys even for one thing.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, because anyone could do it. It could be a joke, right,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: you could do it as a sick joke. Yeah, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: cause harm to someone. I mean, wouldn't they want to
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: think to vet it and said just like okay and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: then just go to the house and start.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Well, No, the guy that they interview actually did vet it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: He said he didn't. He wanted to make sure it
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: was like a legitimate.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Like fantasy, like I just pretend to rape I don't
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: really want to.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he actually called and I believe he spoke
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to her, and yeah, so they interview him. But then
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: they also report that she was actually physically attacked by
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: someone because of these postings, and that she was grabbed
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: by the back of the neck and she was like
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: smashed up against the wall and there was like makeup
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: on the wall and she was all, you know, frazzled looking,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: and they called the police, and Ane's all like, aren't
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you going to arrest Michelle? She's the one doing this?
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Uh huh.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: So Angela calls nine one one and claims a massive
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: intruder broke into the garage and attempted to rape her.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: This false police report is the final move that leads
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: directly to Michelle's arrest. So here's the thing. They're so
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: adamant that it's Michelle behind this, and that now it's
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: escalated from threatening emails to now this rape situation where
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Angela's physically bend allegedly physically harmed by someone and attacked
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in her garage, and they're demanding that action be taken
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: against Michelle because they're like, she's the ex it's obvious
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that it's her, she's sending threatening emails, et cetera. So
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: they arrest Michelle. Based on Angela and Ann's reports, Anaheim
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Police arrest Michelle Hadley. She was twenty nine years old
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: at the time, and she is charged with cyberstalking and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: other crimes. She maintains her innocence throughout, but is held
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: in jail. This is the part I didn't understand where
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I had to get the information from dateline. She's twenty
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: nine years old, Yeah, she has no prior history of crime.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: She's in jail for like, I don't know, like eighty
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: days or something.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: WHOA, this is really yes without bail.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Right, And they did not explain this and the Netflix documentary,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I was so confused. I was like, why is this
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: girl not getting bailed out? Well, finally, in the Dateline episode,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: they interview her parents and her bond was set in
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a million dollars, which is high. What do you have
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: to come up with for bail?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: You have to come up with if you can get
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: a bail bomb, right, So.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Basically they interview her dad and her mom are both
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: in the date Line one, and the dad says to her,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I can get you out on bail, like I can
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: come up with the one hundred thousand dollars, but we
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: can either use the one hundred thousand dollars to get
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you out on bail or use it for a good
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: defense attorney. And so he said, but that's it, Like,
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: this is all I can come up with, So you
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: have to decide it's our budget. That's our budget. This
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: is all I can come up with.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe that's all they could come up with them.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: No, and I agree, And so she said, and I
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: give her props for this because she's just like a
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: young looks like a young, innocent, sweet girl and she's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: in prison. She says, no, I want you to spend
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the money on a defense attorney. And so she stays
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in prison. And they did not explain that in Netflix,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: because I did not understand why she spent so much
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: time in prison. Now I get it. So then they begin,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: so he hires I forget the attorney's name, but he
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: hires a really good defense attorney who immediately starts like
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: doing all the forensics right on all the emails and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: the cyber stocking and the Craigslist ads and all these
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: type of things. So investigators, also including a Department of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Justice cyber team, start tracing the origin of the emails
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: and the Craigslist posts. Digital forensics revealed that the communications
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: were routed from devices and accounts that were tied back
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: to the Anaheim condo. A critical piece of evidence, which
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was investigators find fragments of a Lilis lilith Is Truth
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: email on Ian Diaz's DOJ issued laptop, and the email
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: revealed someone was posting as Michelle and catfishing a man
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: to the condo. Here's where it gets crazy. This is
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the part I don't understand.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: So it's just so far they've narrowed down, yeah, that
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to be coming from yeah, the first.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Wife, but according to the dateline that I watched, I
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: don't even know if it was the police that determined
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that it was her defense attorney that was working diligently
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: on her behalf and hired forensics to come up with
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: information that showed that she was not behind this digital footprint.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I believe it was her defense attorney that presented it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: to the prosecutors, and then based upon that information, then
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: they started doing their own investigation and they started.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: To realize that would have been my thought. The first
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: place to look at is like the IP addresses and
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: all that such a track at least, where is it
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: coming from?
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I well, I do know that they used like inhibitors.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like the tech, but they were using
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: some type of things that inhibited you being able to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: see where it was coming from. Like he was using
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: a lot of digital.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was tracing it like the origins of the
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: emails and stuff.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: No, I'm saying the guy Ian Diaz, who was the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: original perpetrator of this crime, was like.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Kind of like firewalls or some type of layers. Yes,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: so it wasn't it wouldn't be as traceable, right, Oh, Okay,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: So I think it was sophisticated. So I think that's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: why they just in the beginning. Also because all of
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: these emails had this religious undertone, and they asked, Michelle,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: you know when they're they're say, did you send these
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: first two emails? Because remember we talked about how her
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: original emails to him when she was mad at which
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: did come from her, had the same religious undertone, so
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: he was smart to continue carried on that. And so
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: they believed it was coming from her because they thought
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: that because it all had the same religious undertone, that
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: it was her continuing with that.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And so that was kind of the evidence they had.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: And then she didn't post bail, and I'm sure they
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: kind of.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Dropped all the evidence was this email looks like this email.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's why I'm telling you. I was so confused
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: why this woman who had no prior history of any
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: type of criminal behavior the same fund, right, So I
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: was like, why is this girl spending eighty something days
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: in jail. That's when I figured out that it came
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: down to the parents can only afford defense or to
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: pay for her bond. She chose to stay in prison.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: And then it was her defense attorney that was doing
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the forensics and the digging that came up with the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: information that showed that it was coming from the condo.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: He presented that to the prosecution. That's when they were
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: tipped off that they needed to start digging deeper and
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: figure out that it wasn't just that it wasn't her,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: that it was actually coming from Ian and it was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: coming from Angela. Then they prosecute Angela. Only they don't
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: even realize in the beginning that he had anything to.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Do with it. He's living apartment for free, He's just.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Watching fireworks on his balcony. He got rid of Michelle.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Angela is the one that gets prosecuted for this. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: here's my question I do not understand. Was first of all,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: she's faking the pregnancy. She's not really pregnant with twins?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Oh what Yes? Does she have a prosthetic? Yes? That
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: was that was maternal and these This is really concerning.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I know, okay, I have so many questions. In the
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Netflix documentary, they do this whole backstory on Angela Diaz,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and first of all, they don't even like lead up
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to it. I was confused. First we're talking about Ian
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and he likes Disneyland and Michelle, and then the next
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: thing you know, they switch over to Angela and then
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: they start giving this whole backstory about how she used
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to date this guy previously and they were in a
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: relationship together and they're interviewing him and they're talking about
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: how she had this huge elaborate scheme where she was
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: faking cancer.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: What so she faked find these people? Where do they
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: come from?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I guess they're on dating apps, Craigslist and dating apps.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: This is why we can't ever get divorced, because then
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I'll have to end up on some dating app.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: No, a reason to not get divorced because you love me?
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Oh right, I'm sorry, Yes, you're right, I love you
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: to do anyway. So they do this whole backstory of
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: her faking cancer and it come Actually is so intriguing
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: to me, this cancer backstory because they interviewed this friend
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that she had that was close to her at the time,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: who figured out she didn't have cancer. And they interview her.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: She's like a spitfire. She's funny because she's like, just like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I knew she was lying. And so they they plan
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: this whole intervention where they tell her like she's coming
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: over for a party to like celebrate a party, coming.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Over to say, yeah, congratulations, you're in remission.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: You don't have cancer. No, they like have an intervention
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: to like confront her about lying. So there's all these
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: people in this room. It's like her boyfriend and this
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: friend and all these other friends. And she walks in
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: and they're like, you're a liar. You don't really have cancer.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: And she's like oh. And she also claims to be
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: an attorney and he's like, and you're not an attorney either.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: And the friend is like, show me your port. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: guess a port is where if you get chemo. I
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: think that's where they put the where they put the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: drugs or the infusion or something in Yeah, And so
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: she keeps yelling at her, show me your report, show
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: me your port. She chases her out of the house
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: and she's like, show me your port anyway. So they
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: do this backstory on Netflix, basically, I think, just to
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: show like what a scam artist this girl is. Right, Yeah,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: my question again, I can and I can't figure this out.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: She was lying about being pregnant. They arrest her for
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: being the They finally figure out she's the one that's
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: responsible for sending the emails to herself and creating this
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: whole Craigslist rate fantasy for herself. Right, They arrest her
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: for that, she goes on trial. Not one time does
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: she ever give up Ian. I don't understand that because
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they don't figure out until way later after they've arrested
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: her and she goes on trial and I think she
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: got like five years in prison or something.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's gonna be the father of her two fake.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Children, right, so she ever, she never implicates him.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: He's only you would throw me under the bus so fast.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'd be like, you're on her. I did not
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: act alone.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I've been waiting for this day. You're on lock him up.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: My other question is did Ian know that she was
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: faking the pregnancy or was Ian and Angela together scamming
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Michelle so they could get rid of Michelle and get
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: her in prison so that they could keep the condo
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: and he thought she was really pregnant, or was Angela
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: scamming him while she was scamming Michelle at the same.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Time she was scamming the scammer like.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: She was scamming the scammer, because it looked to me
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like when he finds out she's not pregnant, like he's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: legitimately confused that she's not pregnant. So anyway, I don't.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Know, well any are any of these people trustworthy? No?
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: But it's just I was like, did Ian not did
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: he really believe that she was pregnant? Or does he?
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Was he scammed while he was scamming Michelle? She was
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: scamming him anyway?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Is this lady still around Angela Diaz?
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she would be out of prison now. I think
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: she's like laying low some shore. She probably changed her name, yeah,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: but he she would change her name. You think she's
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: on a dating app with the name Angela Diaz probably, Well,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: you couldn't find her you have dating app on I don't.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Think she's really like hiding anywhere. Does all this crap
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: out in the open?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: No, she's laying low. After this Netflix documentary, you think
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: she could just be out there openly dating.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: She might be more popular.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So, after eighty eight days in jail, Michelle Hadley is
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: finally released. She has lost nearly three months of her
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: life to a crime she did not commit orchestrated by
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: her ex fiance's new wife, then Orange County District Attorney
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Tony Raca rack Aucus. Tony Rackaucus formerly smissus all charges
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: against Michelle Hadley and publicly declares that she is fully exonerated.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Angela Connell pleads guilty to ten felony counts, including fraud,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: false imprisonment, and filing a false police report. Angela is
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: sentenced to five years in state prison for her role
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: in the scheme. See this is what I'm talking about.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: When she's going to when she's arrested, and I mean
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: she takes a I don't she's sentenced to five years.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: She pleads guilty to all these felonies. I don't think
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: she implicates Ian at all during this. So that's what
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: I'm confused about, Like she didn't throw him under the bus.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not confusion, it's just you have a question.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Why didn't she Yeah, I'm just saying, you're going to prison,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: and you obviously didn't orchestrate all this on your own.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: The two of you were working together to, you know,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: so you could keep the condo in Anaheim.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he's duped her into thinking, like, you know,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: you'll get out, don't worry, don't you know, don't implicate me.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: So then in February of twenty seventeen, this is when
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: the case, this case gets national attention because NBC's Dateline
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: airs an episode titled Diabolical, It covers the case, bringing
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: it to a wide national audience for the first time.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Michelle Hadley files a federal civil lawsuit against the City
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: of Anaheim for city employees and Angela Diaz and I
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: and Diaz, alleging wrongful arrest and civil rights violations. I
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: don't know what the outcome of that is, but I
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: would think I think she gets some type of settlement
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: from the city.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I'm sure to some degree.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: How do you spend seriously, how do you spend eighty
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: eight days in jail? And the like you were making
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: fun of earlier, were you're talking about the funt But
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that's really it. So the only evidence they got against
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: her is that this is any.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: And she appears to have a good attorney because he
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: did well, it's surprising that he couldn't get her out.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Well, he could eventually, but he had to do all
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that he had to do all that fun I.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Meant, like lower the bail or something of that effect,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: like procedurally not talking about that guilty.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Well he did, But I'm saying probably first of all,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: her parents she's in jail. First of all, her parents
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: have to come up with a one hundred thousand dollars.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I know, I know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying there's a timeline.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: That would just be my question. Maybe he thought, you know,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: resources are limited, funds are limited. I'm going to focus
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: on the trial, right right, So all right.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So Angelas serves her sentence and she's released from prison.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: She relocated to Arizona and notably later works. Now she
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: works in counseling and re entry programming.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: She's a marriage therapist.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: It's also remember also when we did the episode on Candy.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Remember Candy is the one that murdered her friend and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: the well, I don't know if it was murdered. She
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: got off, the jury got her off on self defense.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Then she became like a family therapist, remember.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: No, But yeah, that's it seems to be.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: A trend where it's like these people commit crimes and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: then they end up being like a therapist after the fact,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Like would you go to therapy?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: That's like I I, you know, in prison for embezzlement.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: Now I'm a CPA.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Right, It's like, wait, what I mean she works in counseling.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: You're talking about someone that faked cancer, faked being an attorney, faked.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Craigs being a nice person.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: All right, So the City of Anaheim settles Michelle's civil
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: lawsuit for one point eight million, approved by the Anaheim
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: City Council. The financial settlement is confirmed in court filings
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: in April of twenty twenty one. Yeah, that's like, oh,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we messed up.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: We put it. They're always settled, that's the thing. If there's
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: something there, they always settle because it's the city is
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: not their money they signing on.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Here you go the taxpayer.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it's not feeling. It pulls up business. Yeah,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: and the CEO and the board and everyone felt it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: One point eight million dollars. You better believe they're going
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: to implement policies and make sure this doesn't happen again. Yeah,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: but this day is like, eah, all right, just give
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: a DRK.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But again, I mean, eighty eight days in prison based
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: upon like you were just saying, the evidence is like,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: it's just like, oh, well, you must have sent these.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Emails science as you call it, because you send some.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Emails earlier that were religious, and now there's some other
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: emails that are religious, so it must have.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Been you imagine if they put her name of the email,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: then would have been. It's definitely you, right, it says
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: so right here?
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: All right, So after Angela goes well, Ian isn't caught
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: until later.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, we're going to get to you.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is why the net Flix documentary doesn't
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: really give you the facts that you need, because I
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: know that the big shocking this is why it was
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I think popular, is because the whole time you're watching,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you really don't think that he's involved. Do you feel
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: like Angela because they do the whole background on her, like,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, with the cancer scam, right and pretending to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: be an attorney and everyone confronting her, so you're like, okay,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: this girl is a con artist, right. She reminded me
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of the maternal instinct girl, where you're just creating lie
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: after lie after lie after lie to stay in a
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: relationship and to convince everyone. So you really feel like
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Angela is the culprit through the whole thing, and you
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: don't know that Ian is also involved. And you also
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: find out he doesn't know that she's pregnant, like he
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't know what she's faked.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: During this twe before they bring up Ian and being
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: prosecuted and all that, did you think he was involved.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Were you questioning, like, why isn't he or did you think, oh, okay,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I will.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Tell you I would not have thought that he was involved.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I think they did a very good job of making
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it like Angela's the psychopath. However, they interviewed a friend
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: of his, this girl. I don't know how this girl
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: went to work the next day after this Netflix documentary aired,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: because she was a good friend of Ian for many,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: many years, and they interview her, and you can tell
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: that she's like completely in love with Ian, even though
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: she keeps claiming in the interview that she's not in
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: love with Ian. But at the end of her interview,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: she says, she says out loud, She says this out loud.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: She says, I don't care how much evidence you present
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: to me, I will never believe that he's guilty. He
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: will always be innocent in my mind. Like she says
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: something to that effect, and I just sat there and thought, girl, well.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Did that explain why girl should implicate him?
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: No, this is a different girl. Though, This is a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: different girl. This is not Angela Diaz.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: All right. Sometimes they get really frustrated with these people,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: which is really confusing. And I start to Really, you're
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: wondering about the crime i'mdering. How do they pay their bills?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: How do they have a job? How do they get
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: their groceries? I struggle getting groceries and cooking and making
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: food and putting the kids to bed and doing all
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: those things, and cleaning and doing laundry, and worrying about you,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: getting upset about this and that. And then these people,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: how do they live there? Like faking a pregnancy, can't
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: take cancer somehow managing date to squander fourteen thousand dollars
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: to someone to get a house, and he lives in
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the house, and then she she leaves, and then he's
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: still in the house. How do they do it? And
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: then he finds another woman that won't blame him for anything.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: And I can't get you to go get me a
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: diet coke from downstairs and bring it to me. I'm
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: launching a show.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry about your life.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: That's what I think of. So, yeah, I get lost
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: in all these names. These people are crazy, yes, so
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not talking about it. And I would like a
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: documentary on how to live like a murder? How do
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: they live? You mean, like a day in the life
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: of a murder or someone like, you know, a scammer,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Like how do they live? How do they do that?
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they do that?
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I know, but they get caught eventually, and then.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Somebody people have like big homes and stuff like the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: ones in Utah where she was like a fake therapist
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: or whatever, and old brack or whatever. And then they
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: have like big houses and all this stuff. And then
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: and haven't forbid, the kids listen to them, right, albeit abuse,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: they're abusing them, but they get these kids to do everything.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, But but.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: What baffles you is why didn't she implicate him? Baffles
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: me as how did he sleep at night and do
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: everything just fine? Like what is he for breakfast? How
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: does he handle it? I don't know, because you're not
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: a criminal.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: But they all eventually get caught and they end up
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: in prisons. Is that where you want to go?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah? But he probably had a less stress a more
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: stress free life leading up to his conviction and maybe
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: possibly today than I do.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, but you're not going to prison.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I know that's the thing. And I'm more stressed than him.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Well you need to be less stressed.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Because I'm just telling you how I feel when I
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: never told you that before. When I hear all this stuff,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: it boggles my mind. I don't know how they do it.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: And then and then like these crooks get all these attorneys.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, how do they afford all this stuff? And
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: then he's quick to go find another woman.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: It took him a month, I know, cause he's on
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: a dating app. He's like, on, I don't know, I
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: don't even know what dating apps are. If you would
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: like to get on a dating app, I'm sure you
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: could find someone that would you would take the fall
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: for me, yes, and she would probably fake a pregnancy.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Fake email. My wife is that religious undertones?
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: All right? So let's just talk about So Ian eventually
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: is caught, but it is way later, So how is
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: he finally caught? Initially, investigators assumed.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: That Angela way later.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: It's like, I think, yeah, years later, it's twenty twenty
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: three is when he finally gets convicted. So this started
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: back in twenty sixteen. So initially, investigators assumed that Angela
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: had routed the threatening emails and Craigslist ads through approximately
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: eight different fake accounts, using virtual private networks and third
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: party proxy servers to mask her IP address. However, investigating
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: that means no. But I'm just hoping that people out
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: there do. I don't know how. I mean, I understand
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: that it was it was complex, like.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: They had a call, you understand.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I understand it was complex. They had a very complex
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: system and you know, in the works however, very sophisticated. However,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Investigator's cyber team ultimately traced the digital trail of these
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: communications back to the Anaheim condo, which is the home
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Ian and Angela shared. All Right, So the most damning
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: evidence against Ian was that a lot of this or
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: this Lilith is truth. These emails they found. Pieces of
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: it were discovered on Ian Diaz's DOJ issued government laptop,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: which means that he was sending.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: So he worked for the Department of Justice.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: No, the Department of Justice was investigating him because he
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: was a US marshal, right.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so he had a laptop issue issued.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Why do people use their work email and laptop? I
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: knew you were going to commit crimes. I don't get it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to use it to email my
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: friend to say hi. I don't get it.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he thought he was like had some
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: type of immunity. No, not immunity. Well, I think he
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: thought he had some type of I don't know this
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: complicated like blocking system that because they only could find
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: fragments of it. He thought he was like.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: He thought he was better than them. Yeah, I figured
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: it out.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: He thought he had it figured out right.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Well good, But why wouldn't he just go to best
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: bud Is by his own blacktop for like two hundred bucks?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: He why would he frame his ex girlfriend so that
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: he could stay in a four hundred thousand dollars condo
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: because he can't pay the mortgage on his own and
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: he wants to keep the full down payment. Okay, I
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: mean he's going to an elaborate scheme just so he
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: can keep a condo so he doesn't have to.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Sell it with someone that's going through an elaborate scheme
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: to fake pregnancy with him.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: Right, this is weird, right, I know? All right? So
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: they were found fragments on his DOJ issued laptop.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Do you think they have good times together, like go
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: out like before all this happened, Like they actually go
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: to movies and laugh and that fun. You think there's
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: constantly on the computer scamming.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: No, I think they like scam and send like fake
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: emails and then they sit back and they like go
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: to dinner, and they're like, oh, that was a good one.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: We really got them, And I think I think that's
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: what they do.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The fragments that were on his laptop showed Ian
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: posing as Michelle, posing as Angela, catfishing a man to
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: the condo, and this three layer impersonation on a government
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: computer directly implicated Ian, not just Angela, in orchestrating the scheme.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: Ian and Angela had created fake email accounts registered under
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: false identities to send the threatening messages. Forensic analysis linked
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: these accounts back to the couple. According to the federal indictment,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: the scheme ran approximately from May twenty sixteen through September
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: of twenty sixteen, the same window during which Michelle was
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: arrested and jailed. The indictment confirmed Ian was an active
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: co conspirator, not a passive by standard. They also went
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: back and they had a bodycam footage of the police
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: when they came, you know, because they were always calling
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the police saying, oh, we got these threatening emails again.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Oh this guy came to the house and attacked me. Yeah,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: so they pulled up the bodycam footage and they were
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: analyzing his behavior on the bodycam footage, and then they
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: noticed that he was acting strange. He was looking at
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the laptop. He was saying things that he probably shouldn't
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: have known, you know what I mean. So that now
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: that they were on to him, they were analyzing like
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: what he was saying in his behavior. Right after pleading
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: not guilty, Ian Diaz went on trial in federal court
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: and a jury convicted him on all four counts. It
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: was conspiracy to commit cyberstalking, cyberstalking, perjury, and obstruction of
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: a federal proceeding. On June thirtieth of twenty twenty three,
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: I dis was sentenced to ten years and one month
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: in federal prison plus three years of supervised release. He
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: is sent to FMC and Fort Worth with a projected
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: release date of January thirty first, two thousand and thirty one.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: So he is currently in prison for his part in
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: this elaborate scheme.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: When was he sentenced in twenty three?
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, oh wow.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: So he was walking free for eight almost eight years.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals affirms all four of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: his convictions on appeal, and the United States Supreme Court
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: denies his petition for review, leaving his sentence fully intent.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: The victim in all this, Michelle, Yeah, she really as
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: unfortunate as it was that she had to go through
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: what she did. Yeah, she really got out lucky. I
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: mean she could have been dead, she could have been hurt,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: she could have been ruined for some more traumatic experience.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: It could have been ongoing for a long time. So
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I mean as unfortunate as it was that she had
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: to prove her innocence, you know, over what was it
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: eight months or something.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Well, I will tell you, I give credit. She had
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: a good defense attorney and they interview him. And you
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: know how I always say, if I ever get if
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I ever get in any kind of trouble, I'm gonna
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: call Brian Friedman or at because you know, I'm out there,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I'm out there scamming all the time. This guy, I
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: can't remember his name. I googled him when I was
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: watching it. That guy that he was a good attorney.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: He he did his he earned his paycheck. And I'm
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: glad her parents decided on the spending the one hundred
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: thousand hours.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: You're looking at me like, so, don't you dare create
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: any emails with underlying religious tones and send it to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: me because you're gonna get an attorney to find it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I know what attorney, I know what attorney to
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: go to. I don't remember, but I here it. All all
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I have to do is pull up the documentary. He
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: was a great attorney. He did he he represented her.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad he did.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: All right. Let's Michelle Hadley? Where is she now?
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: So?
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Michelle earned her master's degree and relocated to New York City.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: She's worked in marketing for six years and has since
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: moved again. She is raising her young daughter and has
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: become a public advocate for survivors of false accusations and.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Stalking getting That's a Party Conversation.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: She has published two books, The Courage to Heal and
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: Courage to Love. Ian is still currently incarcerated in Fort
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Worth and he's His projected release date is January thirty,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: first of twenty thirty one. He's not writing books because
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: he is still actively trying to overturn his convictions. And
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Angela Connell was released from prison in twenty twenty and
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: lives in Arizona and is working in counseling.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: When we talked about it, Courage to Heal.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Michelle Hadley's books is Courage to Heal and The Courage
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: to Love, So those are her two books. I felt
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: sorry for her. She was just a young naive girl
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: that ended up start.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: She really made the most of it.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: She had great one she had great parents, so she
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: had a good support system and she had a great
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: defense attorney. So that really that's how she ended up.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: She because you're right, if they didn't investigate further and
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: she didn't have a good defense attorney that really did
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: all the forensics and really went to the prosecution and said,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: you be.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Talking about it different, different topic with her right twenty
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: years now, she's getting out of jail.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: Right, all right, guys, that is a toxic love story.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Like I said before, it's on Netflix. But if you
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: really want to get the real information on this, make
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: sure you watch the podcast. Make sure we'll listen to
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: the podcast, and make sure you watch the dateline episode.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: It's called diabolical. They called it diabolical because I believe
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: when the pros when the DA exonerated Michelle and he
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: gave a press conference, he said this was a diabolical
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: one of the fun Yeah that was you're right, you know, yeah,
• 56:24
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