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TCW76: The world's most expensive wedding & an $83 trillion wealth transfer. · The Curve

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  Hi and welcome to the Curve Weekly. The podcast that keeps you up to date with all the
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  money, business and stock market tea. Everyone should experience for us at least once
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  in their lives, and Annie shouldn't miss out just because she can't afford it. Help
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  me, I'm poor. How's your week then? Excuse me, God. How's your
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  week been, Vic? Good. I have to preface this. I kind of still feel a bit drunk. From
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  what? Did you drink last night? I did, Sophie. What? You never do a midweek. What did you
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  do? I went to Coco. What's that? Look it up. It is like a super club. Was it fun?
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  It was so fun. What was it like? Painting the picture. It's like a theatre, so if you
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  think about the Civic in New Zealand, which is a terrible analogy, I feel like London
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  just does everything so much better. Everything's bigger, grander, more audacious. Yeah, it
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  was just like a theatre. Was it kind of like a super club and a massive
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  amphitheater or something? Yeah, yeah. And you've got like those little things around
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  the edges that people, you know, that usually the queen and king sit in. Oh, like the boxers.
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  And there, there's people there and then there's like different rooms with different DJs
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  and it's like honestly, it's just like quite wild. What time did you get home? About to a
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  pop. Not too bad. No, one day you were late for podcasting this morning. I love that
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  things like I'm going to be half an hour late. I was like, that is so off-brand. It's not
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  even funny. Before we move on, I'd just really like to play a snippet of our friend Megan,
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  who we just spoke to from the Curve community. She was admittedly about five vodka
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  can butchers deep. But at least so hard. As soon as we were like setting up the tech,
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  a tech spec being like, I think she's had a drink or two and then she was like, I'm having a
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  kombucha vodka and I was like, of course you are. Good on you. It's a Friday night. It's a Friday night,
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  yeah. And I came on and I was like, oh, yes, she's had a few drinks but I was, I guess, you know,
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  you're way more open and honest when you've had a few drinks. And honestly, she could not speak
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  more highly of the course, which I was like, this is fantastic. But yeah, it was very humbling to see
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  how it had changed her life and she's now got her son investing and he's seven. I was like,
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  oh my goodness, this is amazing. The amount of parents that seem to have kids interested in money
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  and investing after doing these courses is pretty incredible. But we're just going to play a tiny
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  little snippet. We'll make like a cute little montage of a few of the things she said because
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  I think the best part for me on this whole conversation was that, you know, she's got four kids
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  and she's, you know, she works as a cleaner. She doesn't have like an abundance of money
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  and yet because of the curved classroom, she's been able to sort of her finances out in a way
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  where she has enough to invest. And that's the whole point of this course is to get you ready
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  and get your like, you know, priorities and goals and relationship with money to a point where,
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  yeah, you can start investing in the stock market and she's like a very great example of that.
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  Basically, I lost my job during COVID but with four kids, it was really hard to get a part-time
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  job that suited me. So I went out on my own and I started cleaning people's houses.
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  Geron's the main breadwinner. I'm part-time at best. I was like, I think we need to like put
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  money somewhere and he was like, where are we going to put money in? I said, I don't know but I'm
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  going to sort it. I started the course, put some money into the sheer market. Two days later,
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  I remember messaging my sister and being like, oh my god, start listening to this podcast.
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  But we talk about a lot with the kids like, all the kids want to invest like, they're like, oh,
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  take some of my money and invest it, man. I just, I think I always felt like I was trying to
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  find a way to cope. Like, how can I make this feel accessible? How can this be accessible to be
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  because I didn't come for money. I'm not rich. We don't make a lot of money. And then to be given
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  the tools to be like, you don't need a lot of money. Like, dollar class everything. Just like,
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  put the money in, order invest. So easy. That's why I did the beginning. And it's a crow. Like,
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  I've been in it for two years now and I'm f***ing flying. And the more you put in the more you want
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  to put in, honestly, it's so addictive. Oh my god, you must be so proud of yourself. Like,
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  that you put, you've got four kids. You don't have heaps of spare money and you put the time aside
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  to sort out your finances and get yourself to a place that you can invest. Like, that is amazing.
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  Okay, I loved that. And also just worth saying, if there's anyone else in the community,
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  like she sent us the cutest email, just being like, I loved the cause. And we were like, oh,
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  do you want to share on the podcast? So we've actually changed our email address on the website.
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  I think it's L-O-L-O. Hello, at thecurvebletform.com. Is that right? And you email address. So if you,
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  yeah, have anything you want to share, like any stories or experiences you've had listening
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  to the podcast or thoughts like, love to hear from you. So feel free to, you know, like us an email.
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  Vic. Yes. Have you done some research? No, this time I just thought I'd wing it.
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  Yeah. Nice. I don't see you so badly. I'm like,
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  why not? Because of my notes, because I did some research. My face up there. I can't.
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  There she is. Up, girl.
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  Definitely still pest. Um, anyway.
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  I love that the theme of this is just, yeah, we should record on a Friday night. That'd be fun.
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  Okay. Holy, but goalie. Imagine the soft. And I mean, you are very talented.
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  But imagine if you could charge $10 million for a couple of hours of work, like you were so talented
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  that you could charge someone $10 million for your skills. I don't think there's that many people
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  in the world that could charge $10 million for a couple of hours worth. No. Well, Justin Bieber is one
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  of them. Yeah. I mean, he's Justin Bieber. But if you haven't heard, which I feel like a lot of
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  people probably have, because it's been going forever, what seems like forever is this Indian wedding.
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  And it's Asia's richest family. And the sun is getting married. It's cool. It's the, I'm
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  I don't know if I can get a bunch of this. And Barney family. And the parents, so the sun is
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  getting married. And the parents, the father has started this company called Reliance Industries.
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  It's one of the biggest companies in India. They do absolutely everything. Like, what do they do?
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  Oil, solar, TV, fashion stores, supermarkets, asset management. Because it's like every industry,
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  everything. It's like a conglomerate. It's like, it's massive. They started out in oil and they
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  branched out, I think, like 10 years ago into all these other areas, the other industry.
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  Anyway, it's a public company, actually. And it's listed on Indian Stock Exchange. But
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  anyway, this wedding is outrageous. I looked into like the costs and what they're spending. And
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  just to set the scene, it's 134 days of celebrations. That's nearly a third of a year.
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  Or it is over a third of a year. Oh, sorry. Who the hell has time for that?
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  And energy. I'd be like, what? Yeah. Are you, it's like longer than
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  Glastonbury. It's like a festival, but it's like a half a year. Glastonbury is that three days,
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  four days. Yeah, that's right, man. But even Glastonbury is extreme.
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  134 days. Yeah, it's like a gender reveal. You know, it's like no one cares except the parents,
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  really. I must say I kind of do like the reveals. I'm always like, oh, what is it?
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  A boy wanted to help. He's different people. I don't know. I'm like, it's fun. Sorry,
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  I continue. Yes. So what kind of stuff have they spent money on? So the parents or the father
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  is worth $120 billion. He is the 11th richest person in the world. And this is the total cost
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  of the wedding. Now, before I get, I just want to like preface kind of what's been involved.
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  So it is the most costly wedding in history. And I guess it's kind of hard to figure out, like,
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  help, you know, to get accurate data on how much people have spent on their weddings. But it is
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  assumed to be the most expensive wedding in history. And this guy that's getting married is 29
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  years old. He actually works at the company Reliance and his wife to be is actually, she's very
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  kind of well off as well. So they're kind of very two very well families. Anyway, the wedding
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  includes visits to the family's personal zoo. There's like trips to Europe for all the guests,
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  music events that had Rihanna, Justin Bieber, Kim Kardashian and Mike Tyson are making
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  appearances. Like the lineup of Boris Johnson Tony Blair, the CEO of BP. Sorry, the weirdest
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  combination of people Kim Kardashian and the CEO of BP. Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates,
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  they definitely paid Justin Bieber and Rihanna. And yeah, I think it's kind of personally,
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  I mean, the fact that it's special over the news, how much Justin Bieber got paid to do that.
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  Like, you're paying Justin Bieber $10 million to come and sing a few songs for your guests.
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  Like, did you see any of his performance? Was he just like, baby, baby, baby, oh, you know,
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  like I say, like, oh, baby. Yeah, yeah. No, he, he always seems a bit not there. But anyway,
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  so, do you know he's going to be a dad? Oh, no, crazy. Crazy, crazy. So 134 days of wedding
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  celebration, 65 chefs are cooking, yeah, crazy. They're having at their 3,000 acre property
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  for the actual wedding. And it's costing $120 million. Sorry, I know that's speechless.
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  So what they did do, which I found out, which I thought was quite incredible, is that they had,
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  as part of the celebrations, they hosted a wedding for 50 underprivileged couples that couldn't
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  afford a wedding. So they almost, yeah, they started a wedding for them. But like, it was a mass
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  wedding. So even I got married at the same time, which is kind of weird. I think you probably could
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  splash out a bit more. Yeah, yeah. You give everyone a million dollars to have their wedding.
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  Anyway, it's just like wild lots coming out of this. And the actual wedding was on Friday,
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  so it's just been, but hopefully that's the end of it. Or there's probably post celebration.
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  There's probably 134 days of honeymoon or something. I don't know. Well, this is kind of
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  I was wondering, like, where if you were celebrating for that long, at what point would you put the
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  wedding? Like, would it be the last event? Because no, you'd need the wind downs, you know? I
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  don't know. Yeah. But then you'd want the build up. And then you'd be like, yeah, then we're going
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  to marry. We're even being exhausted by that point. You'd want it to be first. I just feel like
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  sometimes people's, yeah, it's what people's been money on. Do you know what I mean? For them,
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  maybe that's like, you know, it's their, their oldest son getting married. They want to spend money.
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  I don't know. It's everyone consuming money how they want, but it does seem in this day and age
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  quite in self-adulgent, definitely. But hey, 120 million for them is probably nothing. Like,
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  Reliance is a $250 billion company. And he is worth $120 billion. So in other news,
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  I am keen to hear your opinion on the soft. Do you think that government officials or like people
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  that work in government should be able to trade stocks? Well, I don't, I guess I don't really know
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  what government officials know about companies. Yeah. So it's kind of hard for me to know if that's
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  unfair or not. Yeah, there's a big debate at the moment going on in the US, you know, whether
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  whether government officials should be able to trade stocks and there's an act that they're
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  trying to bring into place, which is called the ethics act. And the reason behind it is that
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  you're privy to a lot of sensitive information. You know, if you knew that there was a,
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  what's a good example, like a healthcare, a change to some healthcare regulation,
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  that was going to impact the healthcare industry super negatively, you would sell all your stocks
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  in the healthcare space. Or on the flip side, if you knew that they might remove the ban on
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  trading over like Anzac Day for retailers, which is really, really positive for retailers,
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  therefore you'd buy a whole lot of retail stocks. You know, like things like that. I think,
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  if you're, but what's the difference if you work in tech and you know what's happening in the tech
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  industry, you can trade based on that information. And you always say invest in what you know and
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  like use your knowledge and what's around you. So like, I kind of don't, yeah, I don't know,
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  I guess it depends how privileged that information is. Yeah, there's definitely a line. If you're
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  in senior management, say you worked at Google and you were CFO and you knew what the financials
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  were for that company before anyone else, you can't trade on that information. There is periods
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  of time where you cannot trade. And there's windows. There's only windows after those results
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  that are released that you can trade on the information. So there is rules in place for executives
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  of companies. There are some rules in place for government officials, but there's not outright
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  bands. And I think the difference here is that like, you could be working on a proposal or a
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  law for so long. And then it comes into play where it's like, with a company, it's like,
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  information is much more quick, I guess, in companies, you know, there might be a new product or
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  there might be a great financial result or a terrible financial result. I'm just going to extrapolate
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  out what you're saying. I think what you're trying to say is that governments have a really long
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  term view on the picture of what society will look like, the kinds of companies that can operate,
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  the technology that's going to be acceptable or you know, they have like a very holistic view
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  of society and therefore what consumer behaviour will be and blah, blah, blah, which in turn
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  gives them a bit of an advantage when it comes to investing because they know the types of
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  companies and the industries that will be doing well based on what they know. Is that kind of the
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  whole point? Yeah. And they've got visibility on what laws are going to come into play or what's
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  impending laws might happen and therefore impacts certain industries or companies. It might be like
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  with the whole Facebook when the cookies, you stop being at the track so much and so digital
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  marketing took a massive dive and Facebook took a massive dive. Is that a good example? Yeah,
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  and they can see that that's going to win and pass as law and then I mean, we also can hear through
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  the media what they're working on, but I think also the other argument is that they will be swayed
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  in terms of their votes. So if you own a whole lot of stock in tech companies, for example,
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  and there is some kind of tech law that's being passed. I think this is a good point. Yeah,
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  that it's like, okay, well actually, no, I'm going to vote against that because I have a personal
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  interest in that not getting passed as law. So I think there's there's kind of two arguments to it
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  as well. And so this is the whole ethics act that's being proposed is that there should be an
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  outright blanket on government officials owning, owning stocks and their spouses and children,
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  which is so many people. Yeah. I feel okay. I guess my thoughts on this are I think what I love
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  about the stock market and investing is that if I invest and same with all the government
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  officials, I'm not being disadvantaged, but well, I don't feel like I'm being disadvantaged by
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  them also profiting from investing. What I don't like is the secondary element that you said,
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  which is the idea that they might be making decisions that affect everybody based on their own
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  personal interests from a financial lens. I don't like that. Yeah. Yeah. And it also comes,
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  you're just trying to even the playing fields, like otherwise people and senior leadership roles
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  of public companies, for example, if there aren't rules, regulations and plays, it's like the rich
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  get richer and the poor get poorer. You know, like it's like that's there's kind of that
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  asymmetric information. And if you're privy to certain information, then you get a certain leg up.
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  And so they're just trying to like even the playing field, I guess, but yes, I think the bigger argument
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  is that you will be swayed in how you vote on certain things. I guess there's also the element of
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  like if you're in politics or you work in government, you should be doing that because you care about
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  the future of people in society and not from a solely like financial economic standpoint, right?
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  Like you're the reason, I mean, maybe what it will do as well as weed out people who are doing it
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  purely for like lobbying or money or you know, have potentially not the most sound values or morals
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  because that element is kind of remote, like maybe it's actually a positive thing. It also
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  baffles me the number of politicians that it comes out that they're like doing something immoral
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  or unethical or like. And I'm like, you have these people leading the country and making
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  the decision. You're a politician, like you're in the spotlight, that you need to be squeaky clean.
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  I could never be a politician. I'm not squeaky clean, you know? On politics, we spoke about our new
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  prime minister here in the UK, Kier Starmler. Oh my gosh. Okay, he's new. He's new, give me some
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  time to figure out how to actually pronounce his name. But anyway, he is introducing, we're proposing
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  another increase in the minimum wage here, which is good. Yeah, I'm on the fence with this one.
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  What is the minimum wage around the world? What is it in New Zealand at the moment? It's about
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  $23. That's $23. And $12 pounds here. It's pretty important. Yeah. And they increased it by
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  10% in April this year. And that was the second biggest increase ever in the UK. 10% is a huge
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  increase in a minimum wage. I'm on board with that though, like the people who are not earning
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  minimum wage. It is so hard to live in London. And especially inflation's gone up by 10%.
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  So everything, they're kind of just on par still. Do you know what I mean? Like prices have gone up
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  and your your minimum wage or the way you're getting paid has gone up 10%. So you're kind of not
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  even any better off, even though 10% seems like an issue with it. Yes. So then now he's coming to
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  power and he is proposing another increase. Well, give me a counter argument. Yeah. Every employee
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  that is in say a retail store supermarket, any kind of employee now is that's that's on him
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  in a wage is now getting paid 10% more. That's just going to be put through to price increases.
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  So we're going to end up paying 10% more for everything. So it just again kind of fuels this
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  inflation. So it's like the cycle. Yeah. So it's like, okay, well, you know, the retail stores aren't
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  just going to stomach that 10% increase. They're going to pass it on to the consumer. So we end up
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  paying for it at the end of the day. And then everything keeps getting more and more expensive.
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  So therefore they need to keep increasing the minimum wages. And so it's just like this constant
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  cycle and that's economics for you. But I 100% agree. I was like, you cannot live in London
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  because inflation is so high right now in the UK, there needs to be policies like this or
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  employers that are increasing people's wages to reflect that. Otherwise, you're just going backwards.
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  You can afford less and less and less and less. So it's like, I totally see both sides of the
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  argument. But is it going to increase inflation? That's what everyone's scared of. It's like,
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  look, we're just trying to, we're trying to keep inflation under control. And here you are increasing
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  wages, which is one of the biggest impacts on inflation. But then you've got all the people
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  that are like, so the companies are saying, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Because it's
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  going to be increasing their cost base. But then you've got all the other people saying, no,
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  do it. Do it. Do it. Because I kind of afford to live off a minimum wage of 12 pounds an hour.
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  And it's so hard because like no one really wins. Yeah. No, exactly. So it's like, it's
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  almost like, who are you willing to piss off? Because you're going to be soft. I feel like, yeah, I mean,
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  I don't, I think it's unfair for the minimum wage to be low with it. I mean, I don't know,
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  it sort of just feels a little bit like you can't win. You need to give people that are not
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  earning enough to survive more money. But it's going to make everything more expensive for them
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  anyway. So like, is it even going to help? I'd really love to, I know we've said this a couple of
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  times, we've actually had a few messages from people who know a bit about politics and money
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  in that whole situation. I really think that would be valuable. Yeah, I agree. It's almost like
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  101 politics in economics. Yes. Oh my god. I love economics. One incredible stat that I came across
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  is that over the next 30 years, there is going to be 83 trillion dollars of wealth transfer
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  from the older generation to the younger generation. 83 trillion. Is that from
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  boomers to millennial? No, that's a really like not all good word. But do you next to, do you know why?
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  Yeah. So a fifth of the world assets right now are sitting with people over at the age of 75.
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  So as they pass away, they're going to pass that down to younger generations. And the bulk of
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  that 83 trillion is going to be transferred in the next 10 years. So the majority of that is going
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  to be transferred in the next 10 years. I just want to unpack that. Like considering that
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  firstly, women outlive men. So there's probably going to be a transfer from men to women
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  within that. There's also going to be then a transfer from the older age group to the younger age
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  group who, you know, there's a lot more women participating in this space now than there was
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  our parents, our grandparents generation. And yet the industry is so accustomed to products,
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  services, everything is designed for men still. And I think there's going to be a huge wake-up
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  slash shock that, you know, we don't invest the same way as men. We don't interact with
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  products. We don't interact with each other the same way. Like there's going to have to be a big
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  step up in the way the finance industry conducts itself in does business in a way that is way more
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  diverse for genders, ages, just ethnicities, everything. Because the world is a very different place
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  right now than it was when our parents and grandparents were our age. So yeah, and I guess
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  definitely. And same again, our children are like, you know, every generation changes. But
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  83 trillion dollars, like that is insane. And the biggest gainer of that. So the biggest kind of
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  wealth transfer is happening in Taiwan. Interesting. The biggest loser. Guess what country it is.
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  New Zealand. The UK. Is it? Yeah. Just because people are kind of fleeing and taking their
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  property, their assets out of the UK because of tax right now. There's been changes in the tax.
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  And like it's, it's just not a very tax friendly place to have a lot of wealth. And so yeah,
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  the same kind of as mass exodus of people with foreign assets, people that, yeah, it's just like
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  anyway, it's quite interesting that one of the biggest financial hubs of the world and it's
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  going to be the country that is going to benefit the least from this wealth transfer. So I'm so
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  gay, we're here. It's okay, I've got no wealth of transfer. I'm not taking part in it. Not yet,
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  babe, not yet refraining yet. I actually did do a budget. This is my financial flex for the
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  way. I did a budget yesterday. Forget how much I can invest in. I'm basically pretending I'm
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  on less than I am so that I can invest more. I'm not going to lifestyle creep. I really don't
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  want to be going and spending, you know, I just think, can we like time stamp this and come back
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  in a year? Oh yeah. Shit. So people will be there like diamond earrings and I just don't want to
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  lean into lifestyle creep, I mean. Giant fucking earrings. I don't spend too much. I'm free.
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  By 2025. Oh no. Oh no, no, no, no. I need more money before I have babies.
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  Yes, so just to finish on this. You're probably pregnant in a year. Sorry, can we just
• 25:06
  what the fuck? Do you need to get a maternity leave in place? A maternity policy?
• 25:11
  My god. I just, they honestly, they dare everything. Another living thing that relies on me to
• 25:17
  be alive is like so foreign. I reckon you'd be amazing. I reckon it would almost have the
• 25:25
  opposite effect. Do you know what I mean? Do you think having something that that literally relies
• 25:30
  on you for living, I think will be game changer for anyone, but I think you think I'd be a good
• 25:35
  mum. Yeah, I think you'd be a great mum. Thanks, bag. That's really good. You are very good at
• 25:40
  looking after dogs and other. Just totally ruined like a nice moment. You're really good at looking
• 25:49
  after dogs. I was finished the dogs and like friends and like I think I think you need to get
• 25:55
  yourself credit. I think yes, I feel like you feel like you've got sometimes a bit of a
• 26:01
  shit show looking after yourself, but I think when it comes to other people and other animals,
• 26:06
  you are amazing. That's my childhood with me so all the time. Well, thanks, bag. That's
• 26:13
  actually lovely. What we're talking about, whilst transfer. Yeah, okay. I think we just
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