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- 0:12Speaker 1: I have lived forty four years with his face etched
- 0:19Speaker 1: in my brain. It was everything that you pray to
- 0:25Speaker 1: God never happens to anyone. For me, it's really tough.
- 0:33Speaker 1: I'm struggling. I'm struggling to do the interview at all.
- 0:43Speaker 1: We were at our grandparents' house and Keith, our first cousin,
- 0:48Speaker 1: came over asked us if we would come to his
- 0:51Speaker 1: house to help him clean. So we went to his
- 0:54Speaker 1: house and when we were done, he needed gas. We
- 1:00Speaker 1: stopped at seven eleven and as we pulled up, there
- 1:05Speaker 1: was a man standing there. He said, well, can you
- 1:11Speaker 1: give me a ride? Instantly we knew something wasn't right,
- 1:18Speaker 1: but Keith told him he would give him a ride.
- 1:24Speaker 1: I think we just cut off circulation in each other's hands.
- 1:28Speaker 1: We were squeezing our hands so tight because you just
- 1:32Speaker 1: have a gut feeling that this is not good. He
- 1:37Speaker 1: was telling us the directions on where to go, which
- 1:41Speaker 1: took us to the little California Road. He told us
- 1:47Speaker 1: to get out of the car. He opens the trunk
- 1:51Speaker 1: and he puts Keith in the trunk. At that point,
- 1:56Speaker 1: he tells us to take off our clothes.
- 2:05Speaker 2: Did you plan to tell anybody what happened.
- 2:07Speaker 1: No, why because we were afraid he would come back
- 2:12Speaker 1: and kill us.
- 2:15Speaker 2: When did the twins actually go to the police.
- 2:17Speaker 3: I think it was about two weeks later, A little
- 2:18Speaker 3: bit more than two weeks.
- 2:20Speaker 2: You said the man was black. Yes, Did they ever
- 2:25Speaker 2: give you a ride?
- 2:26Speaker 4: No?
- 2:26Speaker 2: Did you ever meet them at a gas station? No?
- 2:29Speaker 5: Never. I didn't rape Karen and Sharon's sadness, I don't
- 2:34Speaker 5: know these people.
- 2:38Speaker 1: When I saw him in that lineup, I didn't have
- 2:41Speaker 1: to think twice. When I looked at him, I knew him.
- 2:46Speaker 6: He got convicted and received two fifty year consecutive sentences.
- 2:52Speaker 7: That's insane, It's horrible.
- 2:54Speaker 4: It disgusted me. There's no hairs, no fibers, no blood,
- 2:58Speaker 4: no sweat, no seatman, there's nothing. Vincent Simmons is an
- 3:03Speaker 4: innocent man who was railroaded by a racist system.
- 3:08Speaker 2: Is it possible that you picked the wrong man?
- 3:12Speaker 1: No? No. When I close my eyes, there's no other
- 3:19Speaker 1: face that I see.
- 3:21Speaker 7: Stop it, Stop it. What are we gonna talk about
- 3:25Speaker 7: the facts?
- 3:26Speaker 1: Why did we pick him? Why it was mister Simmons,
- 3:31Speaker 1: Because it was mister Simmons. Every time I talk about
- 4:21Speaker 1: it makes me feel like I'm fourteen, again.
- 4:24Speaker 2: Four identical twins, Karen and Sharon Sanders. Life is broken
- 4:29Speaker 2: into two parts. Before May nineteen seventy seven and after,
- 4:34Speaker 2: They say, what happened one night that may changed everything.
- 4:38Speaker 1: The limitations it put on our life, like with anxiety, depression,
- 4:45Speaker 1: panic attacks, scrippling. Really, it's taken a lot from us.
- 4:51Speaker 2: Back in nineteen seventy seven, the fourteen year old twins
- 4:55Speaker 2: were living with their grandparents in the quiet small town
- 4:58Speaker 2: of Marksville, Louisiana, and for the most part, they say,
- 5:02Speaker 2: they were happy there, staying busy and enjoying the little
- 5:05Speaker 2: things in life.
- 5:06Speaker 1: I it was all about makeup and perfume and being prissy,
- 5:12Speaker 1: and Karen was more outside playing in the dirt. This
- 5:17Speaker 1: is true.
- 5:18Speaker 2: Life was simple until it wasn't. What makes it so
- 5:24Speaker 2: difficult for you, Karen, forty four years later to even talk.
- 5:28Speaker 1: About, Well, it's a lot happened that night.
- 5:36Speaker 2: The twins they it all began May ninth, nineteen seventy seven,
- 5:40Speaker 2: when their cousin, Keith Leboard, picked them up so that
- 5:43Speaker 2: they could help him clean his house. By the time
- 5:46Speaker 2: they finished cleaning, it was just beginning to get dark.
- 5:50Speaker 2: Keith was driving them home and that's when they say
- 5:52Speaker 2: he stopped at that gas station and encountered a black man.
- 5:56Speaker 1: He walked up to the car and told Keith that
- 6:01Speaker 1: he almost hit him, and Keith, you know, did not
- 6:06Speaker 1: and Keith was told him he didn't want to fight,
- 6:09Speaker 1: and he said, I don't fight, I shoot. The man
- 6:13Speaker 1: said this, yes, man said it instantly. Karen went inside
- 6:17Speaker 1: to pay for the gas and me and Keith were
- 6:21Speaker 1: talking to this man and we exchanged names, and he
- 6:29Speaker 1: said his name was Simmons.
- 6:32Speaker 2: The twins say any tension between Keith and the man
- 6:35Speaker 2: soon lifted, and that's why they say Keith agreed to
- 6:39Speaker 2: give the man a ride.
- 6:40Speaker 1: We were like, Keith, you know, dalk and he's like,
- 6:44Speaker 1: it'll be okay, It'll be okay.
- 6:47Speaker 2: But they say they knew it wasn't okay when the
- 6:50Speaker 2: man directed them to that desolate area of Little California
- 6:54Speaker 2: Road and threatened them.
- 6:56Speaker 1: He told us that before we could get a gun,
- 7:01Speaker 1: he would shoot us, which we did not have a gun,
- 7:06Speaker 1: so we knew he had a gun.
- 7:09Speaker 2: They say the man ordered them out of the vehicle
- 7:12Speaker 2: and forced Keith into the trunk. Keith's hold eighteen, so
- 7:17Speaker 2: he got in the.
- 7:18Speaker 1: Trunk yeah, I did. He tells us to take off
- 7:21Speaker 1: our clothes. Karen started to run at that point and
- 7:27Speaker 1: I yelled and she stopped. He said, this one's going
- 7:32Speaker 1: to give me trouble. And so he opened the trunk
- 7:36Speaker 1: and he put me in the trunk with Keith and
- 7:39Speaker 1: he had Sharon. I took off my clothes. He told
- 7:42Speaker 1: me to get in the back seat and I did,
- 7:47Speaker 1: and he told me how to lay and I did.
- 7:51Speaker 1: I can hear Sharon crying, and of course I can't
- 7:59Speaker 1: take it. So I'm banging on the trunk and I'm
- 8:04Speaker 1: banging and I'm screaming, take me, take me, leave her alone,
- 8:07Speaker 1: take me, take me. Karen was back there making all
- 8:11Speaker 1: cons of commotion, and things didn't work out for him
- 8:19Speaker 1: with me, and he was very frustrated. You could see
- 8:24Speaker 1: it and fill it. And he got very aggravated and
- 8:30Speaker 1: told me to put my clothes back on.
- 8:33Speaker 2: And when you say things didn't work out for him,
- 8:35Speaker 2: what do you mean?
- 8:37Speaker 1: He tried to penetrate and was unsuccessful. But at the
- 8:43Speaker 1: time I was fourteen, I did not know he was unsuccessful.
- 8:48Speaker 1: I really thought you had lost your virginia. I had
- 8:53Speaker 1: lost my virginity. I had no clue.
- 8:57Speaker 2: Afterwards, Sharon says she was put in the t with
- 9:00Speaker 2: Karen and Keith and then the man started driving.
- 9:05Speaker 1: We just found each other's hands and began to pray,
- 9:09Speaker 1: and then the car stopped and he said you out
- 9:16Speaker 1: and pointed at you.
- 9:17Speaker 2: Karen.
- 9:17Speaker 1: Yes, he told me to lay in the back seat.
- 9:24Speaker 1: H he write me.
- 9:29Speaker 2: Then, with Sharon and Keith still in the trunk, Karen says,
- 9:32Speaker 2: the man just wanted to talk.
- 9:35Speaker 1: It's like nothing had happened, that we were like best friends,
- 9:40Speaker 1: that we were just hanging.
- 9:41Speaker 2: Out and you went along with it, just talking.
- 9:44Speaker 1: Absolutely to keep him calm.
- 9:46Speaker 2: And how long did this go on for?
- 9:49Speaker 1: To me a lifetime. He told me he came from
- 9:52Speaker 1: a large family, about where he had lived and all this,
- 9:56Speaker 1: and he had just gotten back from Texas. She says.
- 9:58Speaker 2: When they stopped talking, the man raped her again multiple times.
- 10:04Speaker 1: I remember like laying in that back seat in his chest,
- 10:09Speaker 1: I mean his heaviness on my chest and the sweat
- 10:13Speaker 1: and it was just disgusting.
- 10:19Speaker 2: She says. He then drove them to a local cemetery
- 10:22Speaker 2: where he got out of the car.
- 10:24Speaker 1: He opens the drunk and he lets them out. He's
- 10:27Speaker 1: gonna let us go and he tells us, if you
- 10:30Speaker 1: tell anyone, I know where y'all live. I've got friends,
- 10:35Speaker 1: he said, and I will come back. And we all
- 10:40Speaker 1: swore to each other that we would not tell a.
- 10:43Speaker 2: Soul, they say. Just the fear of what might happen
- 10:47Speaker 2: if they told kept them silent for two weeks until
- 10:51Speaker 2: Karen says she couldn't keep it in anymore. She says
- 10:54Speaker 2: she can fight it in Keith's sister and.
- 10:57Speaker 1: I said, but please, please don't tell any one. Please
- 11:01Speaker 1: don't tell anyone, She said, I'm not going to tell
- 11:02Speaker 1: any more. And it just unraveled from there.
- 11:09Speaker 2: The next day, Keith's parents found out, and soon Karen, Sharon,
- 11:14Speaker 2: and Keith all ended up at the sheriff's office. Karen
- 11:18Speaker 2: and Sharon each gave statements reporting that they had been raped,
- 11:24Speaker 2: and less than twenty four hours later, on the morning
- 11:26Speaker 2: of May twenty third, nineteen seventy seven, twenty five year
- 11:30Speaker 2: old Vincent Simmons was taken into custody as he was
- 11:34Speaker 2: walking down the street. Did you know Karen and Sharon Sanders.
- 11:38Speaker 5: Never seen him before in my life.
- 12:02Speaker 2: It was May twenty, nineteen seventy seven, when Vincent Simmons
- 12:06Speaker 2: was brought to the sheriff's office, which used to be
- 12:08Speaker 2: here on the second floor of the Avoyle's Paris Courthouse
- 12:11Speaker 2: in Marksville.
- 12:12Speaker 5: And they took me in, putting me in a line up.
- 12:22Speaker 2: Karen, Sharon, and Keith were all there to see if
- 12:25Speaker 2: they could identify a suspect.
- 12:27Speaker 1: We're all three in the room, but we're not all
- 12:30Speaker 1: walking up to the window at the same time. Keith
- 12:34Speaker 1: goes first. Keith writes the number down on a pad.
- 12:40Speaker 1: I'll walk up, I look at him, and I go
- 12:43Speaker 1: to the pad. I write his number down, and then
- 12:47Speaker 1: Sharon goes up to the window, looks out and writes
- 12:52Speaker 1: on a number down.
- 12:53Speaker 2: What number did you all write? Four?
- 12:55Speaker 1: Four? And then they said remember that, Oh my gosh. Yeah.
- 13:00Speaker 1: Then they said to us, y'allivall picked the same man.
- 13:07Speaker 2: That man they identified was twenty five year old Vincent Simmons.
- 13:12Speaker 2: He was from a big family in the next town
- 13:14Speaker 2: over from Marxville, and this wasn't the first time he
- 13:18Speaker 2: found himself in the sheriff's office.
- 13:20Speaker 5: I didn't have a daddy, you know, so basically I
- 13:25Speaker 5: grew up on my own looking out for my little sisters.
- 13:30Speaker 5: I was doing wrong. I was going in the store
- 13:34Speaker 5: just to get food to feed them.
- 13:37Speaker 2: Vincent was convicted of a home burglary at the age
- 13:39Speaker 2: of eighteen. While incarcerated, he escaped from the jail in Marxville.
- 13:45Speaker 2: He lived on the run in Texas for nearly six
- 13:47Speaker 2: years until he came back to town shortly before that lineup.
- 13:51Speaker 1: And when I walked up to the window and I looked,
- 13:55Speaker 1: I had no second doubt. I know exactly who.
- 13:59Speaker 2: Right that night, after Sharon, Karen and Keith ided Vincent,
- 14:05Speaker 2: he says he was brought upstairs to the jail where
- 14:08Speaker 2: he waited while an officer was writing something down.
- 14:11Speaker 5: I'm sitting on a chair and a handcuff. When he
- 14:14Speaker 5: gets too he said, I want you to sign, and
- 14:16Speaker 5: I said, what is that? He said, this is a confesson,
- 14:20Speaker 5: saying that you committed this crime. And said, what crime?
- 14:24Speaker 5: You know? He said, wait for it. Those two white girls, said,
- 14:26Speaker 5: I wouldn't even know the white girl.
- 14:29Speaker 2: Vincent says when he refused to sign the confession, the
- 14:32Speaker 2: officer knocked him down, and as they struggled, another officer
- 14:37Speaker 2: shot him. Boom.
- 14:40Speaker 5: I burned it through my chest, you know, and I
- 14:44Speaker 5: fell on the floor. When I woke up, him in
- 14:46Speaker 5: the hospital.
- 14:48Speaker 2: Now, the two officers involved tell a very different story.
- 14:52Speaker 2: They say Vincent grabbed one officer's gun and was pointing
- 14:56Speaker 2: it at both of them when the second officer shot
- 14:59Speaker 2: Vincent in the show in self defense. Whatever the truth,
- 15:04Speaker 2: Vincent was never prosecuted for that incident. Instead, less than
- 15:09Speaker 2: two months after he was shot, he was brought to
- 15:12Speaker 2: court to face Karen and Sharon. Less than sixty days
- 15:15Speaker 2: after he was arrested, Vincent went on trial. Is that
- 15:18Speaker 2: a pretty rapid time.
- 15:20Speaker 6: In nineteen seventy seven, I would say for major cases,
- 15:24Speaker 6: they went to court quickly.
- 15:27Speaker 2: Charles Riddle was not the district attorney back then, but
- 15:30Speaker 2: he is now, and he's very familiar with the details
- 15:33Speaker 2: of the case. What was the evidence against him?
- 15:36Speaker 3: The testimony of the witnesses, The.
- 15:39Speaker 2: Victims, Karen, Sharon and Keith all took the stand.
- 15:44Speaker 1: Walk into a court room, Your parents, everybody that loves
- 15:48Speaker 1: you is sitting there and seeing him for the very
- 15:54Speaker 1: first time. We have not seen him since the line
- 15:59Speaker 1: up and then seeing him face to face was really hard.
- 16:05Speaker 1: Of course. I had to put my hand on the
- 16:06Speaker 1: Bible and swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth,
- 16:10Speaker 1: which is all I had anyway.
- 16:13Speaker 2: They all testified that on the night of the rape,
- 16:16Speaker 2: Vincent had told them his last name.
- 16:18Speaker 1: Believe it or not. All night long we called him Simmons.
- 16:24Speaker 1: He told us to call him Simmons at.
- 16:27Speaker 2: Trial, and they all say Simmons, Simmons. The man told
- 16:30Speaker 2: us his name was Simmons. What'd you think?
- 16:31Speaker 7: Then?
- 16:32Speaker 5: I thought they were craze. I actulent. They thought they
- 16:36Speaker 5: were crazed. You mean to tell me I'm gonna do
- 16:40Speaker 5: something to y'all and let y'all know my name. I'm
- 16:42Speaker 5: gonna tell you who I am. No, it don't make.
- 16:45Speaker 2: Sense, man. The jury got to see Keith's car and
- 16:50Speaker 2: a photo that police had taken of Karen, Sharon and
- 16:53Speaker 2: Keith re enacting how they fit in the trunk. When
- 16:56Speaker 2: it was the defense's turn, Vincent took the stand.
- 17:00Speaker 5: I told a Julie that I was innocent. I didn't
- 17:04Speaker 5: live nobody.
- 17:06Speaker 2: Vincent's lawyers also called three alibi witnesses who claimed that
- 17:10Speaker 2: Vincent was at a bar on the night of the
- 17:12Speaker 2: alleged crime. The bar owner said Vincent was there all night,
- 17:16Speaker 2: he got into a fight and police were called, But
- 17:19Speaker 2: the prosecution called a police officer who said the bar
- 17:22Speaker 2: fight was on another night.
- 17:25Speaker 3: After a two day trial, I don't think they had
- 17:27Speaker 3: much of a defense.
- 17:30Speaker 2: The jury sided with Karen Sharon and Keith Vincent Simmons
- 17:34Speaker 2: was found guilty of two counts of attempted aggravated rape.
- 17:38Speaker 5: I was shout guilty. I did none.
- 17:44Speaker 2: When the verdict came back, guilty unanimously. How did that feel?
- 17:50Speaker 1: Sav relife? We knew we were free.
- 17:56Speaker 2: Vincent was sentenced to two consecutive fifty years terms one
- 18:01Speaker 2: hundred years behind bars.
- 18:03Speaker 1: With all would never have to face them again, but.
- 18:08Speaker 2: Vincent refused to give up.
- 18:10Speaker 1: Hope.
- 18:11Speaker 5: Well, I wanted to prove that I'm innocent. Man, I
- 18:15Speaker 5: never know these people.
- 18:17Speaker 2: More than four decades later, Justin Bonus, a newly minted
- 18:20Speaker 2: lawyer from Brooklyn, New York, would become involved in Vincent's
- 18:24Speaker 2: defense and was immediately skeptical of the prosecution's case.
- 18:29Speaker 4: I looked at the discovery, I was like, well, everything
- 18:31Speaker 4: they said at trials a lot.
- 18:33Speaker 7: It's all a lot.
- 18:35Speaker 4: There's nothing that supports what they say.
- 18:58Speaker 2: Generations of men have labored in the fields at Louisiana
- 19:01Speaker 2: State Penitentiary. It is the country's largest maximum security prison,
- 19:08Speaker 2: built on the site of a former slave plantation called Angola.
- 19:12Speaker 5: You know, we had to work seven days a week
- 19:16Speaker 5: till the give dog as I ain't goola was.
- 19:23Speaker 2: Since the day that cell door closed behind him, Vincent
- 19:26Speaker 2: Simmons has been working to overturn his conviction. In nineteen
- 19:31Speaker 2: ninety three, sixteen years after that guilty verdict, he finally
- 19:35Speaker 2: succeeded in getting a copy of the prosecution's case file.
- 19:40Speaker 5: Mail man came and he gave me this big old envelope.
- 19:45Speaker 5: When I owed up, I was a man.
- 19:47Speaker 2: I was a shock. Inside that envelope were items that
- 19:51Speaker 2: Vincent had never seen before, including copies of the initial
- 19:55Speaker 2: statements that Karen, Keith, and Sharon gave to police. Remember
- 19:59Speaker 2: how all three testified at trial that they knew their
- 20:02Speaker 2: attacker's name.
- 20:03Speaker 1: He told us to call him Simmons.
- 20:07Speaker 2: But as it turns out, when they first spoke to
- 20:09Speaker 2: the investigators, they didn't say that. Defense attorney Justin Bonas
- 20:14Speaker 2: has since reviewed those statements. When the girls initially went
- 20:17Speaker 2: to police, they didn't say the name Simmons. No, what
- 20:21Speaker 2: name did they say? They didn't give a name, And
- 20:25Speaker 2: Bonus noticed something else in those statements. Sharon used the
- 20:29Speaker 2: n word to refer to her attacker and said quote
- 20:32Speaker 2: all blacks look alike to me, which she does not deny, saying, so,
- 20:36Speaker 2: what did you say when they asked you to identify
- 20:38Speaker 2: the man?
- 20:39Speaker 1: I said, all blacks look alike.
- 20:41Speaker 2: But still Karen, Keith, and Sharon all pick Vincent out
- 20:45Speaker 2: of that lineup, and Bonas says he may know why
- 20:49Speaker 2: this photo that was in the file appears to show
- 20:52Speaker 2: the lineup. Look at Vincent. He's the only one in handcuffs.
- 20:56Speaker 2: When you saw that line of photo, what'd you think?
- 20:58Speaker 4: What I said, this is crazy nuts, highly suggestive. When
- 21:04Speaker 4: you put the cuffs on him, you're telling him that's
- 21:07Speaker 4: what we want you to pick.
- 21:08Speaker 2: But Charles Riddle, the current district attorney, says that photo
- 21:11Speaker 2: was taken after the twins.
- 21:13Speaker 3: I'd Vincent, they called him the lineup.
- 21:16Speaker 6: It was a photo of the lineup after he was
- 21:19Speaker 6: identified and placed in cuffs.
- 21:21Speaker 3: But how do you know it was after because the
- 21:23Speaker 3: girls told me that.
- 21:25Speaker 2: So when you picked him out of the lineup, was
- 21:26Speaker 2: he wearing handcuffs?
- 21:27Speaker 1: He was not not at all.
- 21:31Speaker 2: And Karen says they initially didn't tell police the name
- 21:34Speaker 2: Simmons out of fear.
- 21:36Speaker 1: I mean we were scared of heal and see, I
- 21:40Speaker 1: don't know why I didn't. I mean, I think I
- 21:43Speaker 1: was far We're afraid of helm.
- 21:45Speaker 2: And there's another item in that file that Bonus says
- 21:49Speaker 2: is critical and was never seen at the trial. It's
- 21:52Speaker 2: this report from a doctor who also happened to be
- 21:55Speaker 2: the local corner. He examined the girls two weeks after
- 21:58Speaker 2: the reported rape, and he did not document any signs
- 22:02Speaker 2: of sexual assault. How big a deal do you think
- 22:05Speaker 2: the coroner's report plays in this story? Massive? And Bonus
- 22:09Speaker 2: says that report suggests Sharon was still a virgin. The
- 22:13Speaker 2: doctor wrote that her hymen was intact. But Charles Riddle
- 22:17Speaker 2: says the report does not prove that the twins were
- 22:20Speaker 2: not raped.
- 22:21Speaker 6: Because the definition of rape is slightest penetration, and the
- 22:24Speaker 6: part about no sign of sexual assault after two weeks,
- 22:28Speaker 6: it's very probable that there would be no sign of
- 22:30Speaker 6: sexual assault.
- 22:33Speaker 2: Bonus thinks the jury should have had the chance to
- 22:36Speaker 2: consider all of that a trial. His attorneys they had nothing.
- 22:40Speaker 4: They went in their fly and blind with their arms
- 22:43Speaker 4: tied behind their back in a boxing match.
- 22:45Speaker 7: That's literally what it was.
- 22:47Speaker 2: So you're telling me the original statements that the girls
- 22:50Speaker 2: in Keith gave the police where they could not identify
- 22:52Speaker 2: this individual.
- 22:53Speaker 7: Right.
- 22:53Speaker 2: That was never heard by the jury. Absolutely not. And
- 22:57Speaker 2: the medical report from the coroner was never heard the jury. Right,
- 23:00Speaker 2: And the lineup photo not seen by the jury.
- 23:03Speaker 1: No.
- 23:07Speaker 2: If the statements from the girls had been presented at trial,
- 23:10Speaker 2: if the coroner's report had been known and presented at trial,
- 23:14Speaker 2: do you think Vincent still would have been found guilty. No,
- 23:17Speaker 2: absolutely not. Back in nineteen ninety three, when Vincent first
- 23:21Speaker 2: got his hands on that evidence, he made it his
- 23:24Speaker 2: mission to get his case in front of a judge.
- 23:26Speaker 2: He filed numerous bleedings over multiple years, but no court
- 23:30Speaker 2: ever ruled in his favor.
- 23:32Speaker 6: And not a single judge felt like there was enough evidence.
- 23:34Speaker 6: Not the appellate courts, federal courts, state courts, Supreme Court.
- 23:40Speaker 2: Vincent was hoping that the parole board at the prison
- 23:43Speaker 2: might have more sympathy, so in nineteen ninety seven, twenty
- 23:48Speaker 2: years into his one hundred year sentence, he had his
- 23:51Speaker 2: first hearing with them, and it was all filmed as
- 23:54Speaker 2: part of a documentary called The Farm, which profiled inmates
- 23:57Speaker 2: at Angolacent owed them the evidence that his defense did
- 24:02Speaker 2: not have a trial. We didn't have none of his evidence.
- 24:05Speaker 5: None of this evidence was presented before the jury.
- 24:08Speaker 2: You were the only run handcuffed in the lineup.
- 24:10Speaker 1: I'm go on.
- 24:11Speaker 7: One, Okay, we'll step out.
- 24:15Speaker 2: Were to discuss the case. Vincent hoped the board would
- 24:19Speaker 2: rule in his favor. Sometimes oh yeah, he did, you know,
- 24:27Speaker 2: but they would not.
- 24:29Speaker 6: Mister Simmons, after listener's testimony, going over the reports, the
- 24:34Speaker 6: board is vote.
- 24:34Speaker 7: At this time she deniw your quest probe.
- 24:40Speaker 5: I was hopeless that I know the truth, and no
- 24:47Speaker 5: matter how many times did knock it down, keep getting.
- 24:50Speaker 2: Un Almost twenty years later, Justin Bonus watched the farm documentary.
- 24:56Speaker 4: With his wife and we were shocked and she told me,
- 24:59Speaker 4: you know, you should take this case. She basically said,
- 25:02Speaker 4: you need to write him. And it wasn't really a suggestion,
- 25:06Speaker 4: it was right.
- 25:09Speaker 7: And that's what I did.
- 25:32Speaker 2: You're a Brooklyn guy, you go down to Marksville.
- 25:36Speaker 4: I felt like my cousin Vinnie.
- 25:39Speaker 7: I mean, it was like contrary, Okay.
- 25:44Speaker 2: By early twenty twenty, Justin Bonus had become Vincent Simmons lawyer.
- 25:48Speaker 2: He had just a year of experience under his belt
- 25:50Speaker 2: and was warned that the odds were against him.
- 25:54Speaker 4: It's over, like he doesn't have any more appeals. I
- 25:57Speaker 4: was like, Nah, that's not true. It's never absolutely not.
- 26:01Speaker 2: Vincent had been fighting unsuccessfully for decades to overturn his conviction,
- 26:06Speaker 2: all the while, Karen and Sharon remained firm about his guilt.
- 26:11Speaker 1: We have no reason to lie. Why would we lie?
- 26:13Speaker 1: Why would we let someone spend their life in prison
- 26:17Speaker 1: if we even had the slightest doubt that it wouldn't heal.
- 26:20Speaker 2: Not long after Vincent's ill fated parole hearing, documentary cameras
- 26:25Speaker 2: were rolling again in the late nineties when he and
- 26:27Speaker 2: the twins agreed to a reconciliation meeting. It's where victims
- 26:31Speaker 2: and offenders come together to try and heal.
- 26:34Speaker 1: We came today not to free you from your prison,
- 26:38Speaker 1: but to free us from our prison. Today, I am
- 26:42Speaker 1: closing the door to my pain. I'm letting go.
- 26:46Speaker 2: When the time came for Vincent to speak, he had questions.
- 26:49Speaker 5: My questions will be directly based on your statement, dittion.
- 26:54Speaker 1: No, we're not going there, And that's.
- 26:56Speaker 2: When the meetings unraveled.
- 26:58Speaker 1: What are you doing here? Then, since you're innocent, what
- 27:01Speaker 1: are you doing here?
- 27:03Speaker 2: We did now.
- 27:04Speaker 1: A choice that you chose tonight.
- 27:06Speaker 2: Could you here?
- 27:08Speaker 1: Okay? I think I think we've had enough. I think
- 27:12Speaker 1: it's kind of going so bens. Maybe one day you
- 27:15Speaker 1: can get out of your plane if you're measuring.
- 27:20Speaker 4: They didn't let him speak because they don't view him
- 27:22Speaker 4: as a human being.
- 27:24Speaker 2: Bonus wanted to put a spotlight on the case and
- 27:27Speaker 2: really dig deeper, but he needed some help, so he
- 27:30Speaker 2: turned to Jason Flamm, a recording industry executive known for
- 27:34Speaker 2: launching the careers of Katy Perry, Matchbox twenty, and Lord,
- 27:38Speaker 2: among others. Flomm is also a criminal justice advocate, and
- 27:43Speaker 2: he hosts a podcast called Wrongful Conviction, which has featured
- 27:46Speaker 2: big name guests like Kim Kardashian.
- 27:49Speaker 4: When I heard about Vincent's case, I was just like,
- 27:51Speaker 4: this is another level.
- 27:52Speaker 2: I had to do something about it. Flom featured Vincent's
- 27:55Speaker 2: case on his podcast.
- 27:56Speaker 8: How could anyone get convicted on the basis to this?
- 28:00Speaker 2: This is a man whose life was thrown away from him,
- 28:05Speaker 2: and he gave Justin Bonus money to go out and
- 28:08Speaker 2: hire a private investigator in Louisiana named Brian Andrews.
- 28:13Speaker 5: Justin actually asked me to be the boots on the ground,
- 28:16Speaker 5: take statements, gather information.
- 28:20Speaker 2: Andrews track down Diane Prater, the loan surviving juror from
- 28:24Speaker 2: Vincent's trial and the only African American on the jury.
- 28:28Speaker 2: Turns out, she says she never wanted to convict Vincent.
- 28:31Speaker 2: Prater was in her twenties at the time of trial
- 28:33Speaker 2: and says she still remembers her reaction to the twins testimony.
- 28:38Speaker 3: When they told a story.
- 28:39Speaker 8: I'm like, ain't no way in the world that happened
- 28:42Speaker 8: like that put a black man in you'll call that time.
- 28:46Speaker 2: You didn't believe it because at that period in history,
- 28:50Speaker 2: you just couldn't see white people giving a ride to
- 28:54Speaker 2: black people.
- 28:55Speaker 7: Correct.
- 28:56Speaker 2: Was there a lot of racism in Marxville, Yes.
- 28:58Speaker 1: It was, It was in Wrgsville, it was everywhere.
- 29:00Speaker 2: And she says the jury foreman told her her vote
- 29:03Speaker 2: wouldn't matter. In nineteen seventy seven, Louisiana jury's could convict
- 29:07Speaker 2: a defendant with only ten out of twelve voting guilty.
- 29:11Speaker 1: So say myself, well, it ain't gonna do me no
- 29:13Speaker 1: good to say none. But I never, never, never believe
- 29:17Speaker 1: Vincent was kilted.
- 29:19Speaker 2: The private investigator also tried to talk to relatives of Karen,
- 29:23Speaker 2: Sharon and Keith. Wake me right now, I'm faking. He
- 29:27Speaker 2: ended up conducting a videotaped interview with Keith's cousin, Dana Brouyette,
- 29:31Speaker 2: and she told him a shocking story. Dana said that
- 29:35Speaker 2: Keith told her in a bar long after the trial
- 29:38Speaker 2: that Vincent Simmons was never with them on Little California Road.
- 29:42Speaker 7: That night.
- 29:43Speaker 8: He came out and told him there was never a
- 29:48Speaker 8: black man instead.
- 29:51Speaker 2: In a sworn affidavit, Dana says that Keith told her
- 29:55Speaker 2: he had consensual sex with one of the girls and
- 29:58Speaker 2: locked the other in the trunk.
- 30:00Speaker 8: He had gone down Little California Road and he locked
- 30:05Speaker 8: Sharon and Trump, and he said the sex between him
- 30:09Speaker 8: and Karen was consensual. He said, but the other one
- 30:13Speaker 8: was a little hellcat. That's the one that would scratches
- 30:16Speaker 8: on his nick.
- 30:18Speaker 2: In the affidavit, Dana said that Keith had scratches on
- 30:21Speaker 2: his neck. She told the private investigator that she believes
- 30:24Speaker 2: Keith and the twins made up the story about a
- 30:27Speaker 2: black man to explain away those scratches blew my mind.
- 30:33Speaker 2: The things that she said. Had Dana ever told anyone that.
- 30:37Speaker 5: To my knowledge, I don't think she had then should have.
- 30:41Speaker 8: Come forward a long time ago.
- 30:43Speaker 1: I really did think the man got.
- 30:45Speaker 2: Released and Dana's allegations didn't stop there. She also gave
- 30:49Speaker 2: the private investigator a copy of a Facebook message exchange
- 30:52Speaker 2: that she says she had with Karen in October twenty twenty.
- 30:56Speaker 2: Karen and Dana were talking about how Keith had allegedly
- 30:59Speaker 2: made second advances toward female relatives. We asked Karen about that.
- 31:05Speaker 2: You said, I didn't realize how sick he was. I
- 31:07Speaker 2: thought it was only me.
- 31:09Speaker 1: I don't remember saying that.
- 31:12Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's the message from you. So what did
- 31:16Speaker 2: you mean by that?
- 31:18Speaker 1: Okay, we need to cut right now? Cut this? Can
- 31:24Speaker 1: we cut? First?
- 31:24Speaker 2: Second? Yeah? Right then. Karen said she was not ready
- 31:29Speaker 2: to talk about that exchange with Dana, but two weeks later,
- 31:33Speaker 2: in a follow up interview with both her and Sharon,
- 31:36Speaker 2: she admitted that years before, she says they were attacked.
- 31:39Speaker 2: When she was a child and Keith was a teenager,
- 31:43Speaker 2: something happened. Did you have consensual sex with Keith theboard?
- 31:48Speaker 1: Okay, let's put it like this. We were kids, yes, ma'am.
- 31:53Speaker 1: We experimented, so yes.
- 31:55Speaker 2: How old were you when it happened, I.
- 31:57Speaker 1: Have, I cannot, honestly, I don't know. Nine to ten maybe, And.
- 32:03Speaker 2: Is this the first time you're saying this publicly?
- 32:05Speaker 1: Yes, it is. But that has nothing to do with
- 32:09Speaker 1: what Vincent did. That's two separate incidents. David, think about it.
- 32:15Speaker 1: If me and Keith had had consensual sex way way before, now,
- 32:22Speaker 1: why is he locking us in the trunk of a car.
- 32:24Speaker 1: Why is he taking us down a dirt road?
- 32:26Speaker 2: But Bonus believes they wanted to cover up what happened
- 32:29Speaker 2: that night.
- 32:30Speaker 4: It gives motive for why they would lie. It shows
- 32:34Speaker 4: that Karen always was hiding something from day one. Keith
- 32:38Speaker 4: was eighteen, Karen was fourteen.
- 32:41Speaker 7: So what do they do?
- 32:41Speaker 4: They blame a black man.
- 32:44Speaker 2: To be clear, was Keith the perpetrator that night?
- 32:47Speaker 1: No, he was a victim. Also, Keith, that's a victim.
- 32:51Speaker 1: He was not. He was a victim. He stayed in
- 32:55Speaker 1: that trunk the whole time.
- 33:01Speaker 2: I went to Keith Leboart's house to speak with him
- 33:03Speaker 2: about all of this. No one answered the door, so
- 33:08Speaker 2: later I called.
- 33:09Speaker 9: Him, Hello, Keith, Hello, Keith, This is David Begno at
- 33:30Speaker 9: CBS News.
- 33:32Speaker 2: When reached by phone, Keith now sixty three years old,
- 33:36Speaker 2: denied ever having sex with his cousin Karen. He said
- 33:39Speaker 2: they had just quote played around like children, end quote,
- 33:44Speaker 2: and he also insisted that whatever had happened between him
- 33:48Speaker 2: and Karen had nothing to do with what Vincent Simmons
- 33:51Speaker 2: did that night.
- 33:54Speaker 7: I don't care.
- 33:54Speaker 10: And yeah, he's a goddamn and you can put that
- 33:57Speaker 10: on TV.
- 33:58Speaker 1: I ain't scared of him.
- 34:01Speaker 2: Despite the allegations concerning Karen and Keith, District Attorney Charles
- 34:06Speaker 2: Riddle says he believes the right man was convicted.
- 34:10Speaker 6: I'm firmly convinced that he's guilty. I don't believe that
- 34:14Speaker 6: the cousin was the one.
- 34:16Speaker 2: But Bonus was more determined than ever to see Vincent
- 34:19Speaker 2: walk free, and in April twenty twenty one, the district
- 34:22Speaker 2: attorney made an offer that would allow for just that.
- 34:26Speaker 2: Riddle said he felt like Vincent had done enough time.
- 34:29Speaker 4: Vincent could have walked right out the door, but there
- 34:32Speaker 4: was a catch. Vincent would have had to been a
- 34:34Speaker 4: sex offender, though Vincent turned that down and said, I'm
- 34:38Speaker 4: not a sex offender. I didn't do this, I am innocent.
- 34:40Speaker 4: I'm not a sex offender.
- 34:42Speaker 2: What do you think when you hung up. I mean, Dadsy,
- 34:44Speaker 2: We're going to war. Bonus kept fighting, and in February
- 34:49Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, he finally got a hearing where a
- 34:52Speaker 2: judge would decide Vincent's fate once and for all. The
- 34:57Speaker 2: day of the hearing is Karen and Sharon made their
- 34:59Speaker 2: way and the courthouse. They paused to pray missus zeal.
- 35:06Speaker 2: When Vincent Simmons arrived in a prison van. He was
- 35:09Speaker 2: carrying a Bible. A group of supporters greeted him. They
- 35:12Speaker 2: were cheering, Vincent, how are you feeling today?
- 35:19Speaker 1: Really helping at the.
- 35:27Speaker 2: Cameras were not allowed in the courtroom as Judge William
- 35:30Speaker 2: Bennett delivered his decision. What did the judge decide?
- 35:35Speaker 4: He decided to give Vincent a new trial because of
- 35:37Speaker 4: the constitutional violation that he didn't receive a fair trial.
- 35:40Speaker 2: Benson's conviction was thrown out due to the evidence that
- 35:44Speaker 2: he himself had obtained almost thirty years earlier, and the
- 35:49Speaker 2: fact that his defense team didn't even have it back
- 35:51Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven. Judge Bennett made it clear though,
- 35:55Speaker 2: that he did not place fault on anyone for that. Instead,
- 35:59Speaker 2: he that the speediness with which the case went to trial.
- 36:03Speaker 2: Made it likely that the original district attorney on the case,
- 36:06Speaker 2: Eddie Nole, didn't even have all the evidence himself at
- 36:09Speaker 2: the time. So, just to be clear, you believe that
- 36:12Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven, the police didn't turn over key
- 36:16Speaker 2: evidence to the district attorney.
- 36:18Speaker 10: That's the only explanation feasible and logical after studying everything
- 36:23Speaker 10: that I did.
- 36:23Speaker 2: That's it. Are you blaming the police?
- 36:26Speaker 10: I don't believe anybody intentionally hid anything. It's just the
- 36:30Speaker 10: way it happened because.
- 36:31Speaker 2: It was fast. In a court affidavit, the original DA
- 36:35Speaker 2: Eddie Nole said he did not hide or deny Simmons
- 36:38Speaker 2: any evidence, nor did he prosecute him because of bias.
- 36:42Speaker 2: And he continues to believe that Vincent is guilty, and
- 36:47Speaker 2: he's not the only one that feels that way. Current
- 36:50Speaker 2: District Attorney Charles Riddle. Do you believe a man who
- 36:54Speaker 2: was convicted at a trial that was not fair should
- 36:57Speaker 2: have ever served a day in prison illegally legally?
- 37:02Speaker 6: Okay, legally no, but he did, yes, decided that Okay,
- 37:08Speaker 6: let him tell you he deserved to serve the forty
- 37:11Speaker 6: four years.
- 37:12Speaker 2: Why because he's guilty. Judge Bennett was careful to say
- 37:17Speaker 2: he has no opinion on the guilt or innocence of
- 37:21Speaker 2: Vincent Simmons. With his decision, it was now up to
- 37:25Speaker 2: District Attorney Riddle to decide whether he wanted to retry
- 37:29Speaker 2: the case. You stood up and said.
- 37:31Speaker 6: What I said, that he served enough time and then
- 37:34Speaker 6: we're not going to prosecute him again.
- 37:36Speaker 4: In the eyes of the people and the constitution, he
- 37:40Speaker 4: has presumed innocent. And when Charles Riddle dismissed that case,
- 37:43Speaker 4: that presumption of innocence carries.
- 37:48Speaker 2: You free.
- 37:48Speaker 5: Free, You're done.
- 37:51Speaker 1: So happy to see you, so happy to see you.
- 37:54Speaker 8: God.
- 38:01Speaker 2: Vincent is a freeman. But for Karen and Sharon, and
- 38:05Speaker 2: nothing has changed.
- 38:07Speaker 1: He went in guilty. He's guilty now and guess what,
- 38:13Speaker 1: he will die guilty. So I'm happy I got forty
- 38:18Speaker 1: four years.
- 38:19Speaker 2: Let's go. The twins say they accept the judge's decision,
- 38:23Speaker 2: but they are still hurt by it.
- 38:25Speaker 1: The legal system didn't just fail heal, it failed us
- 38:29Speaker 1: in many ways.
- 38:30Speaker 2: Also, while Vincent has his freedom, they say they still
- 38:35Speaker 2: don't have theirs.
- 38:36Speaker 1: It's frustrating because no one sees our bars, they don't
- 38:41Speaker 1: see our prison. We still have our anxiety We still
- 38:45Speaker 1: have our depressions, we still have our fears. Our bars
- 38:49Speaker 1: are real, and if you look deep enough, you can
- 38:53Speaker 1: see them.
- 38:56Speaker 2: Judge Bennett is sympathetic towards the women, but he is
- 39:00Speaker 2: confident in his decision. The case holds extra meaning for
- 39:04Speaker 2: him because his father, now deceased, was one of the
- 39:07Speaker 2: many judges who denied motions filed by Vincent over the
- 39:11Speaker 2: past years, but that was before Vincent had gained access
- 39:16Speaker 2: to the prosecution's file.
- 39:18Speaker 10: He and I had talked about the Vincent Simmons case
- 39:20Speaker 10: years ago, and I know if he would be here
- 39:26Speaker 10: he today would have done what I did.
- 39:28Speaker 2: What's on your heart because I can see the emotion.
- 39:35Speaker 3: I did the right thing, the freedom.
- 39:44Speaker 2: Just hours after the judge delivered his decision, and right
- 39:46Speaker 2: before the sun set, Vincent Simmons walked out of Angola.
- 39:53Speaker 2: He went in when he was just twenty five years
- 39:55Speaker 2: old and was released three days before his seventieth birthday.
- 40:02Speaker 5: I love you, man May.
- 40:06Speaker 2: Later that night, he shared a celebratory meal with his
- 40:09Speaker 2: family and friends.
- 40:11Speaker 5: Freedom.
- 40:13Speaker 2: What's it like being out of prison?
- 40:16Speaker 1: Oh?
- 40:16Speaker 5: Man, It's a joy, I get. It's unexplainable, really.
- 40:23Speaker 2: But with that joy comes challenge.
- 40:26Speaker 5: It's gonna take me along on a phone.
- 40:29Speaker 2: Adjusting to life outside prison walls has proven to be difficult.
- 40:34Speaker 2: So much has changed since nineteen seventy seven.
- 40:39Speaker 5: Man, new technology. I'm just like a little bib. You
- 40:43Speaker 5: got to learn.
- 40:48Speaker 2: What are the simple things that you enjoy now?
- 40:51Speaker 5: Breathing it free, air walking outside. Basically it's freedom. Should
- 41:00Speaker 5: and jely the moment.
- 41:10Speaker 2: Forty eight hours.
- 41:11Speaker 1: To miss it would be a crime, were you at
- 41:14Speaker 1: all prepare for what happened in this case.