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The Journey of Drumeo: Building an Educational Empire · Music Explored Podcast

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  I'm
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  more.
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  I
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  guess
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  I'm
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  not
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  known
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  as
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  much
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  for
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  drumming
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  as
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  much
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  as
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  I
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  am
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  known
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  for,
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  like,
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  building
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  Drumeo
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  and
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  Musora
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  and
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  piano
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  and
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  Singio
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  and
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  our
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  education
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  platforms.
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  Yeah.
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  But
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  I
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  still
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  play.
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  Like,
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  my
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  drum
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  sits
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  right
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  behind
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  me.
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  I
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  play
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  pretty
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  much
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  every
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  day.
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  For
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  me,
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  it's
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  been
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  like
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  I
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  would
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  play
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  drums
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  whether
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  I
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  was
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  in
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  the
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  industry
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  or
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  not.
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  It
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  was
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  one
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  of
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  these
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  things
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  that
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  I'm
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  just
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  addict.
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  I'm
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  just
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  addicted
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  to
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  music.
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  And
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  I
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  think
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  it's.
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  It's
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  like
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  a
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  universal
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  language
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  and
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  it's
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  one
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  of
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  these
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  things
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  where
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  I
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  think
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  everyone
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  should
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  have
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  music
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  in
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  their
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  life
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  in
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  some
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  way
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  or
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  another.
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  But
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  in
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  2003,
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  I
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  put
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  up
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  a
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  video.
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  We
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  started
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  putting
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  up
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  videos
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  online.
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  And
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  the
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  way
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  I
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  always
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  frame
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  that
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  with
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  people
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  is
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  like,
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  before
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  Facebook,
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  before,
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  like,
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  what
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  are
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  we
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  on
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  here?
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  We're
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  on
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  some
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  Riverside
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  software
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  that's
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  doing
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  this
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  incredible
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  mixing
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  of
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  what
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  we're
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  doing.
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  When
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  we
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  started
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  putting
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  videos
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  online,
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  it
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  was
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  like
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  there
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  was.
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  There's
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  nothing.
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  So
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  it
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  was
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  really,
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  really
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  hard,
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  actually.
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  But
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  so
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  from
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  there
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  we
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  went
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  to
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  DVDs.
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  From
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  DVDs,
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  we
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  launched
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  like
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  membership
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  platforms.
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  So
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  Netflix
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  for
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  drum
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  lessons.
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  Netflix
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  for
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  piano.
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  Gotcha.
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  And
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  yeah,
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  and
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  now
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  we're,
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  you
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  know,
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  we're
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  hosting
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  great
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  artists
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  from
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  all
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  over
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  the
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  world
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  when.
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  When
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  travel
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  allows.
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  And
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  yeah,
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  I've
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  built
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  a
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  team.
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  We
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  have
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  around
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  80
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  to
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  90
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  people
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  working
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  at
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  Musora
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  now.
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  And
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  yeah,
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  I
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  always
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  tell
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  people
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  I'm
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  an
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  accidental
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  CEO.
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  Like,
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  I
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  never
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  really
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  planned
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  to
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  build
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  this,
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  but
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  it
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  just
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  keeps
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  growing
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  and
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  I
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  just
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  keep
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  working
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  my
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  butt
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  off
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  and
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  good
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  things
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  happen.
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  At
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  what
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  point
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  did
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  you
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  realize
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  drumeo
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  was
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  kind
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  of
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  taking
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  off?
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  At
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  what
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  year
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  did
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  you
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  think
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  that
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  you
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  really
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  had
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  to
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  take
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  this
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  seriously
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  and
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  kind
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  of
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  fall
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  into
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  that
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  CEO
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  role?
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  guess
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  we
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  had
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  a
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  drummer
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  out
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  named
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  Larnell
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  Lewis.
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  Larnell
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  plays
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  with
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  Snarky.
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  Like,
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  before
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  he
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  started
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  playing
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  with
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  Snarky
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  Puppy.
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  And
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  I
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  remember
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  he.
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  When
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  he
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  came
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  to
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  the
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  studio,
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  our
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  studio
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  was
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  in
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  this,
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  like,
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  in
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  the
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  farmland.
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  Farmland
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  area.
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  Sorry,
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  my
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  voice
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  is
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  going
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  bad,
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  but
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  it
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  was
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  like
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  out
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  in
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  the
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  farmland.
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  And
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  Larnell's
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  like
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  six
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  foot
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  six.
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  Yeah.
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  Huge
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  dude.
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  I
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  remember
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  when
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  he
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  gets
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  out
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  of
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  the
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  back
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  of
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  the
• 2:14
  car,
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  just
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  kind
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  of
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  like
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  unfolds
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  himself,
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  and
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  then
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  he
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  comes
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  in
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  and
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  he
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  does
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  the
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  session
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  and
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  it
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  just
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  goes
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  like,
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  there's
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  just
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  this
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  magic
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  in
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  the
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  studio
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  with
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  him
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  there.
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  And
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  I
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  remember
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  sitting
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  there
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  just
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  being
• 2:27
  like,
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  this
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  is
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  really
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  amazing
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  content
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  and
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  inspirational
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  content
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  for
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  drummers.
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  And
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  I
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  remember
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  thinking,
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  for
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  us,
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  it's
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  all
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  about
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  people
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  watching
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  something
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  they
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  do,
• 2:38
  like
• 2:38
  a
• 2:38
  digital
• 2:39
  interaction,
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  but
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  they
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  have
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  to
• 2:41
  make
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  a
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  physical
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  action
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  themselves.
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  So
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  I
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  want
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  to
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  keep
• 2:45
  people
• 2:45
  on
• 2:46
  the
• 2:46
  instrument
• 2:46
  and
• 2:47
  so
• 2:47
  I
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  love
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  content
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  that
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  I
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  watch
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  and
• 2:49
  I
• 2:49
  have
• 2:49
  to
• 2:50
  run
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  to
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  play
• 2:50
  drums
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  right
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  afterwards.
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  And
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  that
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  video
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  with
• 2:52
  Larnell,
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  we
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  had
• 2:53
  Sonny
• 2:54
  Emery
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  out.
• 2:54
  He
• 2:54
  played
• 2:54
  with
• 2:55
  Earth,
• 2:55
  Wind
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  and
• 2:55
  Fire
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  and
• 2:56
  Bette
• 2:56
  Midler,
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  we
• 2:57
  had
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  a
• 2:57
  guy
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  named
• 2:57
  Thomas
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  Pridgen
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  out,
• 2:58
  Michael
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  Shack.
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  All
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  these
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  early,
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  early
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  drumeo
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  guests
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  really
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  helped
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  to
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  kind
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  of
• 3:04
  set
• 3:04
  the
• 3:04
  stage
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  and
• 3:04
  the
• 3:05
  tone
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  for,
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  for
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  now
• 3:07
  what
• 3:07
  we
• 3:07
  do,
• 3:07
  you
• 3:08
  know,
• 3:08
  in
• 3:08
  other
• 3:08
  instruments
• 3:09
  as
• 3:09
  well.
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  Yeah,
• 3:11
  that
• 3:11
  makes
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  sense.
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  What
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  you're,
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  you're
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  kind
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  of
• 3:15
  understating
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  the
• 3:16
  importance
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  of
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  what
• 3:17
  you
• 3:17
  did,
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  I
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  would
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  say,
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  because
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  when
• 3:20
  I
• 3:20
  was
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  a
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  young
• 3:21
  drummer,
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  you
• 3:22
  know,
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  in
• 3:23
  the,
• 3:23
  in
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  late
• 3:23
  90s,
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  when
• 3:24
  I
• 3:24
  was
• 3:25
  like
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  between
• 3:26
  the
• 3:26
  ages
• 3:27
  of,
• 3:28
  of
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  10
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  and
• 3:30
  9
• 3:30
  and
• 3:30
  12,
• 3:33
  I
• 3:34
  lived
• 3:34
  like
• 3:34
  everybody
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  else
• 3:35
  did.
• 3:35
  We
• 3:35
  didn't
• 3:36
  have.
• 3:37
  Drums
• 3:37
  weren't
• 3:37
  really
• 3:38
  something
• 3:38
  that
• 3:38
  kids
• 3:38
  were
• 3:38
  allowed
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  play
• 3:39
  too
• 3:40
  much.
• 3:40
  Not
• 3:40
  because
• 3:40
  my
• 3:41
  parents
• 3:41
  didn't
• 3:41
  want
• 3:42
  me
• 3:42
  to,
• 3:42
  but
• 3:42
  because
• 3:43
  it
• 3:44
  was
• 3:44
  loud
• 3:44
  and
• 3:44
  we
• 3:44
  lived
• 3:45
  in
• 3:45
  a
• 3:45
  small
• 3:45
  apartment.
• 3:46
  And
• 3:47
  in
• 3:47
  those
• 3:47
  days
• 3:48
  to
• 3:49
  learn
• 3:50
  there
• 3:50
  were
• 3:50
  no
• 3:50
  teachers
• 3:51
  in
• 3:51
  our
• 3:51
  town.
• 3:52
  And
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  had
• 3:53
  to
• 3:53
  go
• 3:54
  on
• 3:56
  a
• 3:57
  bus
• 3:57
  sometimes
• 3:57
  two
• 3:58
  buses
• 3:58
  back
• 3:58
  when
• 3:59
  kids
• 3:59
  were
• 3:59
  allowed
• 3:59
  to
• 3:59
  ride
• 4:00
  buses
• 4:00
  at
• 4:00
  those
• 4:00
  ages
• 4:01
  alone.
• 4:01
  And,
• 4:02
  and
• 4:02
  I
• 4:02
  had
• 4:02
  to
• 4:03
  walk
• 4:03
  up
• 4:04
  through
• 4:04
  our
• 4:05
  downtown
• 4:05
  in
• 4:06
  quotations
• 4:06
  and
• 4:07
  then
• 4:07
  walk
• 4:07
  through
• 4:07
  a
• 4:07
  mall
• 4:08
  and
• 4:08
  then
• 4:09
  cross
• 4:10
  a
• 4:10
  bridge
• 4:10
  over
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  major
• 4:11
  road
• 4:12
  and
• 4:12
  then
• 4:13
  go
• 4:13
  into
• 4:13
  the
• 4:13
  musical
• 4:14
  center.
• 4:15
  I
• 4:16
  just
• 4:16
  went
• 4:16
  back
• 4:16
  and
• 4:16
  did
• 4:16
  a
• 4:16
  bit
• 4:17
  of
• 4:17
  a
• 4:17
  pilgrimage
• 4:18
  with
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  same
• 4:18
  walk
• 4:19
  and
• 4:19
  then
• 4:19
  I
• 4:20
  would
• 4:20
  get
• 4:20
  30
• 4:20
  to
• 4:21
  45
• 4:21
  minutes
• 4:21
  with
• 4:22
  the
• 4:22
  teacher.
• 4:22
  Then
• 4:22
  I
• 4:22
  had
• 4:23
  to
• 4:23
  do
• 4:23
  all
• 4:23
  of
• 4:23
  that
• 4:24
  travel
• 4:24
  back
• 4:25
  and
• 4:25
  then
• 4:25
  I
• 4:25
  couldn't
• 4:26
  practice.
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  had
• 4:27
  to
• 4:27
  just
• 4:27
  sit
• 4:27
  there
• 4:27
  and
• 4:27
  think
• 4:28
  about
• 4:28
  it.
• 4:28
  And
• 4:28
  then
• 4:28
  if
• 4:28
  I
• 4:28
  wanted
• 4:29
  to
• 4:29
  go
• 4:29
  practice,
• 4:30
  my
• 4:30
  parents
• 4:31
  paid
• 4:31
  for,
• 4:32
  for
• 4:32
  me
• 4:32
  to
• 4:32
  just
• 4:33
  use
• 4:33
  the
• 4:33
  room
• 4:34
  and
• 4:34
  I
• 4:34
  would
• 4:34
  again
• 4:35
  have
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  take
• 4:35
  that
• 4:35
  ride
• 4:36
  and
• 4:36
  go
• 4:36
  there.
• 4:36
  And
• 4:36
  if
• 4:37
  you
• 4:37
  wanted
• 4:38
  to
• 4:38
  learn
• 4:39
  something
• 4:39
  new,
• 4:40
  not
• 4:40
  just
• 4:40
  from
• 4:41
  your
• 4:41
  teacher,
• 4:41
  you
• 4:42
  would
• 4:42
  just
• 4:42
  have
• 4:43
  to
• 4:43
  sort
• 4:43
  of
• 4:43
  hope
• 4:43
  to
• 4:44
  meet
• 4:44
  another
• 4:44
  drummer
• 4:44
  and
• 4:45
  be
• 4:45
  like,
• 4:45
  wait,
• 4:45
  what
• 4:45
  are
• 4:46
  paradiddle
• 4:46
  diddles?
• 4:47
  Please
• 4:47
  tell
• 4:48
  me.
• 4:48
  Yeah,
• 4:48
  and
• 4:50
  it
• 4:51
  just
• 4:51
  watching
• 4:52
  kids
• 4:52
  online
• 4:53
  now
• 4:53
  playing
• 4:54
  like
• 4:54
  10
• 4:54
  year
• 4:55
  olds,
• 4:55
  12
• 4:55
  year
• 4:55
  olds
• 4:56
  that
• 4:56
  just
• 4:57
  tear
• 4:57
  any
• 4:58
  of
• 4:58
  us
• 4:58
  a
• 4:58
  new
• 4:58
  one.
• 4:59
  It's,
• 4:59
  it's
• 5:00
  because
• 5:00
  of
• 5:00
  you,
• 5:01
  right?
• 5:01
  It's
• 5:02
  because
• 5:02
  of
• 5:02
  what
• 5:03
  you
• 5:03
  did
• 5:03
  and
• 5:04
  other
• 5:04
  contemporaries
• 5:05
  did
• 5:05
  for
• 5:05
  other
• 5:05
  instruments
• 5:06
  where
• 5:07
  you
• 5:07
  said
• 5:07
  that
• 5:08
  basically
• 5:08
  knowledge
• 5:09
  is
• 5:09
  for
• 5:10
  everyone.
• 5:10
  And
• 5:10
  now
• 5:11
  that
• 5:11
  we
• 5:11
  have
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  Internet,
• 5:11
  we
• 5:12
  can
• 5:12
  just
• 5:12
  share
• 5:12
  it
• 5:12
  and
• 5:13
  you
• 5:13
  can
• 5:13
  just
• 5:13
  see
• 5:14
  an
• 5:14
  explosion
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  musicianship
• 5:16
  that
• 5:16
  was
• 5:17
  just
• 5:17
  not
• 5:17
  possible
• 5:17
  before,
• 5:18
  especially
• 5:18
  at
• 5:18
  earlier
• 5:19
  ages.
• 5:19
  So
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  Want
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  personally
• 5:21
  thank
• 5:21
  you
• 5:21
  for
• 5:21
  that
• 5:21
  and
• 5:21
  just.
• 5:23
  Oh,
• 5:23
  thanks,
• 5:23
  man.
• 5:24
  Explain
• 5:24
  to
• 5:24
  the
• 5:25
  rest
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  the
• 5:25
  listeners
• 5:25
  who
• 5:25
  are
• 5:25
  not
• 5:26
  musicians
• 5:26
  how.
• 5:27
  How
• 5:27
  important
• 5:28
  that
• 5:28
  is
• 5:28
  and
• 5:28
  how
• 5:29
  accessible
• 5:30
  you
• 5:30
  make
• 5:30
  music
• 5:31
  education
• 5:31
  to
• 5:32
  the
• 5:32
  whole
• 5:32
  world.
• 5:33
  For
• 5:33
  sure.
• 5:35
  Yeah.
• 5:35
  You
• 5:35
  know,
• 5:36
  I.
• 5:36
  At
• 5:36
  the
• 5:36
  time,
• 5:37
  I.
• 5:37
  I
• 5:37
  never
• 5:37
  was
• 5:37
  thinking
• 5:38
  of
• 5:38
  it
• 5:38
  like
• 5:38
  that.
• 5:39
  I
• 5:39
  always
• 5:39
  had
• 5:39
  super
• 5:40
  supportive
• 5:40
  parents.
• 5:41
  And,
• 5:41
  you
• 5:41
  know,
• 5:41
  my
• 5:42
  parents,
• 5:43
  they.
• 5:43
  They
• 5:43
  got.
• 5:44
  I
• 5:44
  had
• 5:44
  great
• 5:44
  private
• 5:45
  teachers,
• 5:45
  like,
• 5:45
  probably
• 5:46
  10
• 5:46
  different
• 5:46
  private
• 5:46
  teachers
• 5:47
  in
• 5:47
  the
• 5:47
  first
• 5:48
  wild.
• 5:48
  So
• 5:48
  I'm
• 5:48
  not
• 5:48
  against
• 5:49
  private
• 5:49
  instruction.
• 5:50
  I
• 5:50
  wasn't
• 5:50
  like,
• 5:50
  let's
• 5:51
  take
• 5:51
  down
• 5:51
  private
• 5:51
  teachers.
• 5:52
  I
• 5:52
  want
• 5:52
  to
• 5:52
  crush
• 5:53
  them.
• 5:53
  It
• 5:54
  was
• 5:54
  never
• 5:54
  like
• 5:55
  that.
• 5:55
  It
• 5:55
  was
• 5:55
  more
• 5:55
  like,
• 5:56
  I'm
• 5:56
  sick
• 5:56
  of
• 5:56
  paying
• 5:57
  $50
• 5:58
  for
• 5:58
  a
• 5:58
  freaking
• 5:58
  DVD
• 6:00
  of
• 6:00
  a
• 6:01
  drummer
• 6:01
  shredding.
• 6:02
  You
• 6:02
  know,
• 6:02
  I
• 6:02
  want
• 6:02
  to.
• 6:03
  Yeah.
• 6:03
  Try
• 6:03
  and
• 6:04
  get
• 6:04
  this
• 6:04
  information
• 6:04
  out
• 6:05
  there
• 6:05
  using
• 6:05
  modern
• 6:06
  technology.
• 6:06
  Like
• 6:07
  you.
• 6:07
  When
• 6:07
  YouTube
• 6:08
  came
• 6:08
  out.
• 6:08
  Like,
• 6:08
  we
• 6:08
  were
• 6:08
  on
• 6:09
  YouTube
• 6:09
  in
• 6:09
  2006.
• 6:10
  Yeah.
• 6:11
  You
• 6:11
  know,
• 6:11
  we
• 6:11
  started
• 6:12
  our
• 6:12
  first
• 6:12
  channels
• 6:12
  there,
• 6:13
  you
• 6:13
  know,
• 6:13
  so
• 6:14
  I
• 6:14
  was
• 6:15
  on
• 6:15
  Facebook,
• 6:15
  I
• 6:15
  think,
• 6:16
  earlier
• 6:16
  than
• 6:16
  that
• 6:16
  or
• 6:17
  at
• 6:17
  that
• 6:17
  time.
• 6:17
  So
• 6:17
  for
• 6:17
  me,
• 6:18
  it's
• 6:18
  just
• 6:18
  like
• 6:18
  using
• 6:19
  technology
• 6:20
  to
• 6:21
  connect
• 6:21
  with
• 6:21
  students
• 6:22
  and
• 6:23
  help
• 6:23
  them
• 6:23
  to
• 6:23
  get
• 6:23
  inspired
• 6:24
  to
• 6:24
  stay
• 6:24
  on
• 6:24
  the
• 6:25
  instrument.
• 6:26
  That's
• 6:26
  what
• 6:27
  it
• 6:27
  is.
• 6:28
  But
• 6:28
  that's
• 6:29
  really
• 6:29
  cool
• 6:29
  to
• 6:29
  hear
• 6:30
  that,
• 6:30
  Matt.
• 6:31
  I'm
• 6:31
  sure
• 6:31
  you've
• 6:32
  heard
• 6:32
  stories
• 6:32
  like
• 6:32
  that
• 6:33
  all
• 6:33
  over
• 6:33
  the
• 6:33
  world.
• 6:34
  Oh,
• 6:35
  for
• 6:35
  sure.
• 6:35
  Especially
• 6:36
  a
• 6:36
  lot
• 6:36
  of
• 6:36
  people
• 6:37
  don't
• 6:37
  have
• 6:37
  access
• 6:37
  to
• 6:38
  a
• 6:38
  private
• 6:38
  teacher.
• 6:39
  There's
• 6:39
  none
• 6:39
  in
• 6:40
  the
• 6:40
  area.
• 6:40
  Or
• 6:40
  they
• 6:41
  don't
• 6:41
  have.
• 6:41
  They
• 6:41
  don't
• 6:41
  have
• 6:41
  enough
• 6:41
  money
• 6:42
  because
• 6:42
  it's
• 6:42
  like
• 6:42
  50
• 6:43
  bucks
• 6:43
  an
• 6:43
  hour
• 6:43
  or
• 6:43
  whatever.
• 6:44
  Exactly.
• 6:44
  Right.
• 6:45
  So
• 6:45
  did
• 6:46
  you
• 6:46
  guys.
• 6:46
  Did
• 6:46
  you
• 6:46
  guys
• 6:47
  take
• 6:47
  private
• 6:47
  lessons?
• 6:49
  All
• 6:49
  I
• 6:49
  did.
• 6:50
  I
• 6:50
  think
• 6:50
  we
• 6:50
  all.
• 6:51
  I
• 6:51
  didn't
• 6:51
  take
• 6:51
  for
• 6:51
  drum.
• 6:52
  I
• 6:52
  didn't.
• 6:52
  Well,
• 6:52
  I
• 6:53
  took
• 6:53
  private
• 6:53
  lessons,
• 6:53
  but
• 6:53
  not
• 6:54
  for
• 6:54
  drums.
• 6:55
  Okay.
• 6:57
  I.
• 6:58
  I
• 6:58
  remember
• 6:58
  when.
• 6:59
  When
• 6:59
  Sarah.
• 6:59
  Th
• 7:00
  was.
• 7:01
  I.
• 7:01
  I
• 7:01
  can't
• 7:01
  hear
• 7:01
  everybody
• 7:02
  at
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  same
• 7:02
  time.
• 7:03
  My
• 7:03
  bad.
• 7:04
  Piano.
• 7:05
  My
• 7:05
  bad.
• 7:05
  My
• 7:05
  bad.
• 7:06
  Yeah,
• 7:06
  yeah.
• 7:07
  The
• 7:07
  great
• 7:07
  thing
• 7:07
  is
• 7:08
  we
• 7:08
  always
• 7:08
  hear
• 7:08
  these
• 7:09
  delays,
• 7:09
  but
• 7:09
  then
• 7:09
  when
• 7:10
  you.
• 7:10
  When
• 7:10
  we.
• 7:10
  When
• 7:10
  we
• 7:11
  listen
• 7:11
  back,
• 7:11
  it's
• 7:11
  fine.
• 7:12
  So
• 7:12
  we
• 7:13
  spend
• 7:13
  more
• 7:13
  time
• 7:13
  worrying
• 7:14
  about
• 7:14
  the
• 7:14
  weirdness
• 7:14
  that
• 7:15
  happens.
• 7:16
  And,
• 7:16
  you
• 7:16
  know,
• 7:16
  so
• 7:16
  now
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  just
• 7:17
  explained
• 7:17
  a
• 7:17
  little
• 7:17
  bit
• 7:18
  of
• 7:18
  our.
• 7:19
  How
• 7:19
  it
• 7:19
  goes.
• 7:20
  We
• 7:20
  should
• 7:20
  have
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  live
• 7:21
  audience
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  hear
• 7:21
  the
• 7:22
  delays
• 7:22
  with
• 7:22
  us
• 7:22
  at
• 7:22
  some
• 7:23
  point,
• 7:23
  too.
• 7:23
  That'd
• 7:23
  be
• 7:23
  cool.
• 7:24
  Yeah.
• 7:24
  Just
• 7:25
  to
• 7:25
  attest
• 7:25
  that
• 7:25
  we're
• 7:26
  not
• 7:26
  just
• 7:26
  being
• 7:26
  weird.
• 7:27
  I.
• 7:27
  One
• 7:28
  thing
• 7:28
  about
• 7:28
  teachers
• 7:29
  is
• 7:29
  that
• 7:30
  we
• 7:30
  had
• 7:30
  Sarah
• 7:30
  Thauer
• 7:31
  here,
• 7:31
  and
• 7:32
  she
• 7:32
  was
• 7:32
  telling
• 7:32
  us.
• 7:32
  I'm
• 7:33
  sure
• 7:33
  she
• 7:33
  told
• 7:33
  you
• 7:33
  the
• 7:33
  same
• 7:33
  thing.
• 7:34
  That
• 7:35
  one
• 7:35
  teacher
• 7:35
  is
• 7:35
  just
• 7:36
  not
• 7:36
  enough.
• 7:37
  You.
• 7:39
  Her
• 7:39
  opinion
• 7:40
  is.
• 7:40
  And
• 7:40
  I
• 7:41
  kind
• 7:41
  of
• 7:41
  have
• 7:41
  to
• 7:41
  agree
• 7:41
  with
• 7:41
  her.
• 7:42
  She's
• 7:42
  like,
• 7:42
  I
• 7:42
  can't
• 7:43
  just
• 7:43
  do
• 7:43
  a
• 7:43
  Teacher
• 7:44
  because
• 7:44
  there's
• 7:45
  so
• 7:45
  much
• 7:45
  to
• 7:45
  know.
• 7:46
  And
• 7:46
  if
• 7:46
  you
• 7:46
  stick
• 7:46
  to
• 7:47
  one
• 7:47
  teacher,
• 7:47
  you
• 7:47
  start
• 7:48
  kind
• 7:48
  of
• 7:48
  playing
• 7:48
  too
• 7:49
  much
• 7:49
  like
• 7:49
  them
• 7:50
  or
• 7:50
  almost
• 7:50
  like
• 7:51
  a
• 7:51
  parody
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  them
• 7:51
  in
• 7:52
  a
• 7:52
  way.
• 7:52
  So
• 7:53
  again,
• 7:54
  you
• 7:55
  bringing
• 7:55
  together,
• 7:57
  you
• 7:57
  know,
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  sum
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  the
• 7:59
  world's
• 8:00
  greatest
• 8:00
  teachers
• 8:01
  into
• 8:01
  one
• 8:02
  place
• 8:03
  really
• 8:03
  changes
• 8:03
  the
• 8:04
  musicians
• 8:04
  that
• 8:05
  are
• 8:05
  out
• 8:05
  in
• 8:05
  the
• 8:05
  world
• 8:05
  right
• 8:06
  now.
• 8:07
  Great
• 8:07
  point.
• 8:07
  Yeah.
• 8:08
  And
• 8:08
  that's
• 8:09
  perspective.
• 8:10
  Right.
• 8:10
  And
• 8:10
  so
• 8:10
  we
• 8:11
  are.
• 8:11
  One
• 8:11
  of
• 8:11
  our
• 8:11
  taglines
• 8:12
  used
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  be
• 8:12
  like
• 8:12
  an
• 8:12
  army
• 8:13
  of
• 8:13
  drum
• 8:13
  instructors,
• 8:14
  you
• 8:14
  know,
• 8:14
  to
• 8:14
  give
• 8:14
  you
• 8:15
  perspective
• 8:15
  on
• 8:15
  everything
• 8:16
  you
• 8:16
  ever
• 8:16
  want
• 8:16
  to
• 8:17
  know
• 8:18
  about
• 8:18
  drumming.
• 8:19
  And
• 8:19
  I
• 8:19
  think.
• 8:19
  But
• 8:19
  that's
• 8:20
  more
• 8:20
  of
• 8:20
  a
• 8:20
  lesson
• 8:20
  like
• 8:20
  just
• 8:21
  for
• 8:21
  life
• 8:21
  in
• 8:21
  general,
• 8:22
  you
• 8:22
  know,
• 8:22
  when
• 8:23
  you're,
• 8:23
  when
• 8:23
  you're
• 8:23
  too
• 8:24
  narrowed
• 8:25
  in
• 8:25
  on
• 8:25
  one
• 8:25
  perspective
• 8:26
  fitting
• 8:27
  whatever
• 8:27
  confirmation
• 8:28
  bias
• 8:28
  you
• 8:28
  have.
• 8:28
  Like
• 8:29
  we're
• 8:29
  seeing
• 8:29
  that
• 8:29
  now
• 8:29
  in
• 8:30
  this
• 8:30
  huge
• 8:30
  division
• 8:31
  in
• 8:31
  the
• 8:32
  entire
• 8:32
  world
• 8:32
  with
• 8:32
  what's
• 8:33
  going
• 8:33
  on.
• 8:34
  And
• 8:35
  it's
• 8:35
  because
• 8:35
  people
• 8:35
  just
• 8:36
  don't
• 8:36
  have
• 8:36
  empathy
• 8:37
  for
• 8:37
  others,
• 8:37
  aren't
• 8:37
  willing
• 8:38
  to
• 8:38
  research
• 8:38
  others
• 8:39
  perspective
• 8:40
  and
• 8:41
  walk
• 8:41
  in
• 8:41
  their
• 8:41
  shoes
• 8:42
  a
• 8:42
  little
• 8:43
  bit.
• 8:43
  And
• 8:43
  so
• 8:43
  that's
• 8:44
  what
• 8:44
  I
• 8:44
  think
• 8:44
  different
• 8:45
  teachers
• 8:45
  allow
• 8:45
  us
• 8:46
  to
• 8:46
  do.
• 8:46
  It's
• 8:46
  like
• 8:47
  music
• 8:47
  doesn't
• 8:48
  discriminate
• 8:49
  at
• 8:49
  all.
• 8:50
  Music
• 8:50
  is
• 8:52
  all
• 8:52
  cultures,
• 8:53
  all
• 8:53
  different
• 8:53
  types
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  people
• 8:54
  can
• 8:54
  experience
• 8:55
  music.
• 8:56
  So
• 8:57
  I
• 8:57
  think
• 8:57
  it's
• 8:57
  really
• 8:58
  important
• 8:58
  that
• 8:59
  we
• 8:59
  as
• 9:00
  musicians
• 9:01
  are
• 9:01
  accepting
• 9:02
  of
• 9:02
  all
• 9:02
  different
• 9:03
  types
• 9:03
  of
• 9:03
  people
• 9:03
  in
• 9:03
  all
• 9:04
  cultures
• 9:04
  and
• 9:04
  study
• 9:05
  all
• 9:05
  of
• 9:05
  those
• 9:05
  because
• 9:05
  I
• 9:06
  think
• 9:06
  then
• 9:06
  we're
• 9:06
  going
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  get
• 9:07
  the
• 9:07
  best
• 9:07
  music
• 9:08
  as
• 9:08
  a
• 9:08
  result
• 9:08
  of
• 9:08
  that.
• 9:09
  Yeah,
• 9:10
  I
• 9:10
  absolutely
• 9:11
  agree
• 9:11
  with
• 9:11
  you.
• 9:12
  It's
• 9:13
  interesting
• 9:13
  because
• 9:13
  you
• 9:13
  mentioned
• 9:14
  you
• 9:15
  wear
• 9:15
  a
• 9:15
  couple
• 9:15
  different
• 9:16
  hats.
• 9:16
  The
• 9:17
  musician,
• 9:17
  the
• 9:18
  teacher,
• 9:19
  the
• 9:19
  businessman,
• 9:19
  which
• 9:20
  kind
• 9:20
  of
• 9:20
  you
• 9:21
  said
• 9:21
  you
• 9:21
  stumbled
• 9:21
  upon.
• 9:22
  I
• 9:22
  mean,
• 9:22
  it
• 9:22
  kind
• 9:22
  of
• 9:23
  just
• 9:23
  happened
• 9:24
  in
• 9:25
  a
• 9:25
  major
• 9:25
  way
• 9:25
  actually.
• 9:26
  But
• 9:26
  how
• 9:27
  did
• 9:27
  you
• 9:27
  start
• 9:28
  to
• 9:28
  transition
• 9:28
  from
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  guess,
• 9:30
  drummer
• 9:31
  to
• 9:31
  teacher,
• 9:31
  but
• 9:31
  more
• 9:32
  so
• 9:32
  teacher
• 9:32
  to
• 9:33
  businessman
• 9:34
  and
• 9:35
  kind
• 9:35
  of
• 9:35
  this
• 9:35
  explosion
• 9:36
  of
• 9:36
  online
• 9:37
  resources
• 9:38
  that
• 9:38
  you
• 9:38
  have
• 9:39
  built.
• 9:39
  Yeah,
• 9:41
  well,
• 9:42
  my
• 9:43
  first
• 9:43
  business
• 9:44
  was
• 9:45
  in
• 9:45
  grade
• 9:46
  six
• 9:46
  or
• 9:46
  seven.
• 9:47
  I
• 9:47
  used
• 9:47
  to
• 9:47
  play
• 9:47
  hockey
• 9:48
  and
• 9:48
  so
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  would
• 9:48
  change
• 9:49
  rollerblade
• 9:49
  wheels
• 9:49
  for
• 9:50
  my
• 9:50
  friends
• 9:50
  and
• 9:50
  I
• 9:50
  would
• 9:51
  turn
• 9:51
  them
• 9:51
  and
• 9:51
  put
• 9:52
  on.
• 9:52
  So
• 9:52
  I
• 9:52
  was
• 9:52
  like
• 9:52
  charging
• 9:53
  for
• 9:53
  that.
• 9:54
  And
• 9:54
  then,
• 9:55
  and
• 9:55
  then
• 9:55
  I
• 9:55
  sold
• 9:56
  hockey
• 9:56
  cards
• 9:56
  online.
• 9:57
  There's
• 9:57
  these
• 9:57
  old
• 9:57
  news
• 9:58
  groups,
• 9:58
  there's
• 9:59
  the
• 9:59
  Yahoo
• 9:59
  news
• 9:59
  groups.
• 10:00
  And
• 10:00
  so
• 10:00
  I
• 10:00
  was
• 10:00
  flipping
• 10:01
  hockey
• 10:01
  cards
• 10:01
  online.
• 10:02
  And
• 10:02
  my
• 10:02
  dad,
• 10:02
  my
• 10:03
  dad
• 10:03
  had
• 10:03
  a
• 10:03
  construction
• 10:04
  company.
• 10:04
  My
• 10:04
  dad
• 10:04
  and
• 10:04
  my
• 10:04
  grandpa
• 10:05
  were
• 10:05
  like
• 10:05
  huge
• 10:06
  inspirations
• 10:06
  for
• 10:06
  me
• 10:07
  from,
• 10:07
  from
• 10:08
  a
• 10:08
  business
• 10:08
  perspective.
• 10:09
  You
• 10:09
  know,
• 10:09
  they're
• 10:09
  entrepreneurs
• 10:10
  and
• 10:11
  so
• 10:11
  they
• 10:11
  taught
• 10:11
  me
• 10:11
  a
• 10:11
  lot
• 10:11
  about
• 10:12
  what
• 10:13
  it
• 10:13
  means
• 10:13
  to
• 10:13
  do
• 10:13
  that,
• 10:14
  especially
• 10:14
  from
• 10:15
  an
• 10:15
  operational
• 10:15
  point
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  view.
• 10:16
  You
• 10:16
  know,
• 10:17
  I
• 10:17
  would
• 10:17
  say
• 10:17
  my
• 10:17
  grandpa's
• 10:18
  name
• 10:18
  was
• 10:18
  Abe
• 10:18
  and
• 10:19
  I
• 10:19
  have
• 10:19
  this
• 10:19
  thing
• 10:19
  called
• 10:20
  B
• 10:20
  Abe
• 10:22
  and
• 10:22
  it's
• 10:22
  like,
• 10:23
  he
• 10:23
  would
• 10:23
  put
• 10:23
  on
• 10:23
  a
• 10:23
  suit,
• 10:24
  he'd
• 10:24
  be
• 10:24
  doing
• 10:25
  his
• 10:25
  sales
• 10:25
  pitches,
• 10:25
  and
• 10:25
  then
• 10:26
  he'd
• 10:26
  put
• 10:26
  on
• 10:26
  his
• 10:26
  coveralls
• 10:27
  and
• 10:27
  go
• 10:27
  unload
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  truck,
• 10:28
  and
• 10:28
  then
• 10:28
  he
• 10:28
  would
• 10:29
  take
• 10:29
  off
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  suit,
• 10:30
  go
• 10:30
  back
• 10:30
  into
• 10:30
  the
• 10:30
  boardroom.
• 10:31
  And
• 10:32
  I
• 10:32
  love
• 10:32
  that,
• 10:32
  you
• 10:33
  know,
• 10:33
  the
• 10:33
  idea
• 10:33
  of,
• 10:33
  like,
• 10:34
  getting
• 10:34
  your
• 10:34
  hands
• 10:34
  dirty
• 10:35
  but
• 10:35
  then
• 10:35
  also
• 10:35
  understanding
• 10:36
  the
• 10:37
  entire
• 10:37
  business.
• 10:38
  And
• 10:38
  so,
• 10:39
  yeah,
• 10:39
  so
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  started
• 10:40
  selling
• 10:40
  hockey
• 10:40
  cards.
• 10:41
  Then
• 10:41
  I
• 10:42
  learned
• 10:42
  eBay,
• 10:43
  1999,
• 10:44
  and
• 10:44
  started
• 10:44
  flipping
• 10:45
  stuff
• 10:45
  on
• 10:45
  ebay.
• 10:45
  Flipped
• 10:46
  vehicles
• 10:46
  for
• 10:47
  a
• 10:47
  while.
• 10:47
  Like,
• 10:48
  wow.
• 10:48
  Like,
• 10:48
  not
• 10:48
  flipped
• 10:49
  them,
• 10:49
  flip
• 10:49
  them,
• 10:49
  but
• 10:49
  actually,
• 10:49
  like,
• 10:50
  block
• 10:50
  them
• 10:50
  for
• 10:51
  more.