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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: Let's take a look at tonight's top stories. Here's what's
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Speaker 2: coming up on the program. Labor ramps up the nuclear
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Speaker 2: scare campaign with a video featuring a former Greens candidate Raygun.
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Speaker 2: Of course you'll remember her. She's demanded ten thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: from a comedy club that wanted to host a parody musical.
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Speaker 2: And the New South Wales government is pushing ahead with
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Speaker 2: pill testing.
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Speaker 3: Our hope is that this trial saves lives.
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Speaker 2: Now, I tooked last night about the mini budget update
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Speaker 2: about how your income was in reality going backwards even
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Speaker 2: though your wage might have gone up because the government
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Speaker 2: is taking more income tax than it used to. Of course,
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Speaker 2: it's just another thing that contributes to the cost of
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Speaker 2: living crisis. And there was an extraordinary report today from
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Speaker 2: the Western Australian Council of Social Services that shows, for
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Speaker 2: the first time ever, a dual income family with two
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Speaker 2: kids in WA a pretty standard family, cannot make ends meet.
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Speaker 2: Now they've been doing this report for seventeen years and
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Speaker 2: it's the first time that dual income families have come
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Speaker 2: out behind. It found that household budgets for two parent
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Speaker 2: families with an after tax income of eighty six thousand
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Speaker 2: and two hundred and forty five dollars, so that'd probably
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Speaker 2: be a one parent full time, one parent part time situation.
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Speaker 2: In most cases, their household expenses increased by one hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty seven dollars and twenty three cents a week,
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Speaker 2: which is eight thousand, six hundred and ninety six dollars
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Speaker 2: a year, which is far more than most people have
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Speaker 2: taken home in pay increases this year, about sixteen hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty dollars in and seventeen hundred and twenty out
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Speaker 2: every week, which puts them roughly sixty dollars in the
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Speaker 2: red even after state and federal government subsidies are taken
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Speaker 2: into account. Now, three years ago, they were one hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars and seventy nine cents ahead each week. Two years
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Speaker 2: ago it was forty five dollars nine cents. Single parent
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Speaker 2: families were ninety four dollars in the red every week
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Speaker 2: this year. In fact, the only group that came out
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Speaker 2: marginally ahead raged pensioners believe it or not, who owned
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Speaker 2: their own home outright, and there's the key. Families are
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Speaker 2: actually going backwards faster than unemployed people on welfare, for
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Speaker 2: heaven's sake. And that's just Western Australia. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: can imagine it'll be pretty much the same, if not worse,
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Speaker 2: across the rest of the country. God knows how a
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Speaker 2: family in Sydney, for instance, is meant to get by.
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Speaker 2: How quickly we have gone from a situation where a
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Speaker 2: home with a backyard and a couple of kids was
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Speaker 2: pretty much attainable for everyone, and you could do it
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Speaker 2: even on one income. I mean, I'm only a young
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Speaker 2: bloke and I think about my situation growing up. My
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Speaker 2: mother stayed at home during the week for most of
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Speaker 2: my brother and my childhoods until we were old enough
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Speaker 2: to find for ourselves and get ourselves home from school
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Speaker 2: or whatever. So she worked on Thursday nights and Saturdays
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Speaker 2: during the day in retail. It would have been I
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Speaker 2: guess about twelve or thirteen hours a week. And I
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Speaker 2: remember those Thursday nights well because that was designated as
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Speaker 2: a toasty night because Dad couldn't be bothered cooking. But
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Speaker 2: I should clarify before I bag him out too much,
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Speaker 2: that he actually does the lions share of the cooking
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Speaker 2: in that household these days. And Dad always worked full time.
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Speaker 2: He was a landscaper when I was really little, and
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Speaker 2: then he became a council gardener, which he's been doing
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Speaker 2: for nearly twenty years. So they were both on pretty
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Speaker 2: modest incomes. They bought a house for less than one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars in nineteen ninety seven. I came along
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Speaker 2: in ninety nine. My brother was born in two two kids,
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Speaker 2: one income with a bit of a top up, a mortgage,
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Speaker 2: two cars, two pets. You know, It's what I would
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Speaker 2: call a pretty standard working class upbringing. And we never
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Speaker 2: really wanted for anything. I was aware that we didn't
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Speaker 2: have lots of money, and I'm sure my parents made
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Speaker 2: sacrifices along the way, but we never felt deprived of anything.
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Speaker 2: We never went on overseas holidays or anything like that,
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Speaker 2: but we always had plenty of presents at Christmas, and
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Speaker 2: we had new computers, and we could do whatever sort
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Speaker 2: of school activities or sports we wanted. That that was
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Speaker 2: my brother. I tried cricket in year four and decided
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Speaker 2: I was better in the stands after that. But the
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Speaker 2: point is when my parents had me twenty five years ago.
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Speaker 2: That was an entirely attainable life. I didn't think they'd
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Speaker 2: be able to do that if I was born today.
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Speaker 2: They'd both have to go to work full time, and
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Speaker 2: then I'd have to go to childcare, and I would
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Speaker 2: have missed out and all that time that I had
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Speaker 2: with my mother growing up. They could have both worked
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Speaker 2: full time if they wanted to, but they made a
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Speaker 2: decision not to because they didn't have to. Mom went
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Speaker 2: back to work full time once we could fin for
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Speaker 2: ourselves and fair enough, but they made a decision that
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Speaker 2: while we were young, they wanted a parent at home.
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Speaker 2: Can a family make that decision these days, unless one
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Speaker 2: of the parents is earning seriously good coin, Probably not,
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Speaker 2: And that's a shame because research shows that children with
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Speaker 2: a stay at home parent fear better than those sent
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Speaker 2: to childcare. A twenty fourteen Stanford study of sixty eight
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Speaker 2: thousand children found that those with a parent at home
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Speaker 2: had better academic results all the way through to high school.
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Speaker 2: And of course, traditionally it's been a stay at home,
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Speaker 2: but in this modern world, there's no reason it couldn't
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Speaker 2: be a stay at home dad. But most families that
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Speaker 2: they don't have that option anymore. We've gone from a
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Speaker 2: country where a family can live on one income to
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Speaker 2: a country where a family can barely live on two incomes.
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Speaker 2: And yet Treasurer Jim Chalmers had the gall yesterday at
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Speaker 2: the MAIPO Update to say that the economy was growing
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Speaker 2: and real wages were up.
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Speaker 4: We are on track for a soft landing in our
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Speaker 4: economy and you can see that right across the economic
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Speaker 4: indicators that we are talking about today. The economy is
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Speaker 4: growing but slowly. Inflation is moderating, Our real wages and
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Speaker 4: real incomes are growing. Unemployment is low, a million jobs
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Speaker 4: have been created, Participation is around record highs, the gender
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Speaker 4: pay gap has narrowed, tax cuts and cost of living
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Speaker 4: help is rolling out.
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Speaker 2: Well that's cold comfort, as the Western Australian Council of
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Speaker 2: Social Services quite clearly found in their report. And as
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Speaker 2: for economic growth, this is the problem. The federal government
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Speaker 2: wants both parents at work because it means they pay
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Speaker 2: more tax and of course the worse the cost of
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Speaker 2: living is, the more you have to work and the
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Speaker 2: more tax they make. And in these discussions often come
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Speaker 2: back to a speech John Howard gave in the Business
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Speaker 2: in Europe luncheon in London in two thousand, he said
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Speaker 2: it's important for all of us, whether we are in
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Speaker 2: business or in politics, all of us who are concerned
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Speaker 2: learned about the future of our society and the cohesion
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Speaker 2: of our society, whether it be in Australia or here
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Speaker 2: in Britain. To remember the economic policy, however you define
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Speaker 2: it and however you pursue, it is never some end
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Speaker 2: in itself. That the purpose of economic policy is to
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Speaker 2: produce a social dividend, to achieve social goals. Personal contentment
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Speaker 2: and human fulfillment and the stability and cohesion of society
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Speaker 2: are the ultimate goals of sound economic policy. I mean
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Speaker 2: that was twenty four years ago. He also described on
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Speaker 2: many other occasions what he called the human dividend of
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Speaker 2: economic policy, and when Howard launched his two thousand and
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Speaker 2: four campaign twenty years ago, he said that running the
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Speaker 2: economy well only has a purpose if it delivers a
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Speaker 2: human dividend. If it delivers things for the Australian people, well,
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Speaker 2: it's not delivering personal contentment and human fulfillment anymore. It's
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Speaker 2: not delivering a human dividend. You are now working to
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Speaker 2: serve the economy rather than the economy working to serve you.
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Speaker 2: Is it any wonder that the fertility rate in Australia
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Speaker 2: is now one point five children per woman. And no,
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that she's having half a child. It
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Speaker 2: means that we're not replacing ourselves because we can't afford to.
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Speaker 2: I mean, to want to have children, you have to
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Speaker 2: feel secure and a lot of people just don't have
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Speaker 2: that security anymore, and those who do have children are
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Speaker 2: increasingly paying more with less. Let's get into the day's
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Speaker 2: top stories with James Willis from the Daily Telegraph. James, welcome.
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Speaker 2: I'm interested in your response to all of that. I mean,
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Speaker 2: this report, of course came out of Western Australia, but
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Speaker 2: you would have to imagine that this would be the
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Speaker 2: same in New South Wales and Victoria and South Australia
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Speaker 2: and everywhere else to think that we now live in
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Speaker 2: a country where a two income family can't even get by.
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Speaker 5: Okay, Caleb, that's exactly right. It's not just a wa thing.
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Speaker 5: I can tell you firsthand. There's a lot of my
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Speaker 5: friends in New South Wales that are in their thirties
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Speaker 5: that grew up in Sydney, grew up in the western
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Speaker 5: suburbs of Sydney. Intended to stay in the western suburbs
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Speaker 5: of Sydney, but got to a stage in the last
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Speaker 5: few years where they weighed up what a twenty percent
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Speaker 5: deposit on a house in Sydney versus the mortgage repayments
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Speaker 5: for the next thirty years look like and decided to
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Speaker 5: move to Newcastle, the Central Coast, Woollongong, the Blue Mountains.
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Speaker 6: Which is okay, but at what point do we say, well,
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Speaker 6: we really.
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Speaker 5: Don't want to be a country where that actually has
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Speaker 5: to happen. I mean, this great Australian dream for the
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Speaker 5: majority of people is sadly over. The idea of a
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Speaker 5: big house somewhere in Sydney is just simply not achievable
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Speaker 5: unless you inherit a lot of money, or you've got
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Speaker 5: two people working.
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Speaker 6: On substantial salaries.
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Speaker 5: The rest you're talking townhouse, you're talking apartment, or you're
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Speaker 5: talking about moving out of town. We see these figures
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Speaker 5: and Jim Chalmers continuously talks about this soft landing or
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Speaker 5: we're getting ready for a soft landing. Well treasure, I
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Speaker 5: don't know where it is, but we've been talking about
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Speaker 5: for quite some time. Nothing has really changed here and
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Speaker 5: unfortunately the government can continue to give out handouts and
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Speaker 5: talk about another energy rebate, multiple concessions and everything else.
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Speaker 5: But people just want to look after themselves. They don't
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Speaker 5: want help from the government. They just want a fair go.
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Speaker 5: And right now the last two or three years has
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Speaker 5: been extremely.
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Speaker 6: Difficult to get by.
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Speaker 5: People are struggling, they're not saving money, and so those
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Speaker 5: figures you cited from WA I think certainly for most
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Speaker 5: parts of the country are.
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Speaker 6: Being replicated right now.
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Speaker 5: It is very, very tough, and more and more people
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Speaker 5: are being locked out of the housing market, but just
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Speaker 5: struggling to remain in the capital cities.
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Speaker 2: Well, he talks a bit of soft landing. I think
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Speaker 2: the landing is about as soft as a Ryan airflight.
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Speaker 2: Who's flown them around Europe. You've never been to one
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Speaker 2: of those, Well know what I'm talking about. Now, let's
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Speaker 2: talk about labour Scare campaign or nuclear energy. They put
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Speaker 2: out this new video featuring GP Margaret Beavers which is
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Speaker 2: just blatant fearmongering. Basically, take a look, there.
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Speaker 7: Are definite increases in cancer, strokes and heart attacks with
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Speaker 7: nuclear power. With renewable energy, we have much safer alternatives
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Speaker 7: and for a health perspective, nuclear.
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Speaker 8: Makes no sense.
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Speaker 7: There are significantly increased rates of cancer, heart attacks and
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Speaker 7: strokes amongst the workforce in the nuclear industries.
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Speaker 2: I'm prepared to say that Margaret is the beavers and
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Speaker 2: the butthead I mean, honestly, what so we'll have nuclear
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Speaker 2: power and everyone's going to get cancer and heart attacks
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Speaker 2: and whatever. You know, it's the old three eyed fish
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Speaker 2: thing that Labor tried on when the opposition first said
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Speaker 2: that they were going to come out with a plan.
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Speaker 2: Lucas Heights and I know it's not a power station,
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Speaker 2: but they're doing nuclear work mostly for medicine. Lucas Heights
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Speaker 2: has been in some bourb and Sydney since the nineteen fifties.
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Speaker 2: That's fine, Why can't we have nuclear power?
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Speaker 5: Well, why are we any different to the thirty plus
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Speaker 5: countries all over the world that safely and freely use
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Speaker 5: nuclear power every single day. There's more than four hundred reactors.
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Speaker 5: Finland built and opened a whole new reactor this year.
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Speaker 5: There's a number of other countries that are talking about
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Speaker 5: doing this as their path to net zero, to replace
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Speaker 5: the baseload power that.
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Speaker 6: We're going to need from coal. And yet, and.
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Speaker 5: By the way, there's a lot of studies all over
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Speaker 5: the world that have looked at this specific issue linking
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Speaker 5: cancer and other diseases to living or working around a
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Speaker 5: nuclear power plant and have been inconclusive or found no
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Speaker 5: evidence of that, including one from Canada that.
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Speaker 6: Looked at three sites. So for Labor to pull.
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Speaker 5: This out, and we have to remember Dr Beavis is
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Speaker 5: a former Greens candidate. She also represents a number of
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Speaker 5: bodies that are anti nuclear war and she's made a
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Speaker 5: number of comments about the horrific impact that nuclear war
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Speaker 5: would have on specific parts of Australia. I mean, it's
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Speaker 5: Gold Medal fear mongering, but like we're for Labor to
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Speaker 5: endorse this, that's what should concern people when they've lost
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Speaker 5: the argument in terms of costs, when they're ducking for cover,
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Speaker 5: when Peter Dutton's talking about building these things and keeping
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Speaker 5: nuclear on the table because it makes sense, it makes
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Speaker 5: sense in other countries. For Labor to start scaring people
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Speaker 5: and roll out a scare campaign ahead of the election
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Speaker 5: by saying that it's going to lead to more cancers
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Speaker 5: and heart attacks and strokes is just crazy. Chris Bowen
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Speaker 5: was asked about it today. He certainly didn't back away
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Speaker 5: from it. He said, oh, this is a matter for
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Speaker 5: public record. We asked the Prime Minister's office about it.
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Speaker 5: They refuse to comment. It's all been peddled by the
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Speaker 5: ALP National Secretary. But I mean, at what point are
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Speaker 5: Australians just going to say, hang on, we're smart enough
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Speaker 5: to have this debate. We don't want to be scared silly.
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Speaker 5: We're not going to be talking about nuclear.
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Speaker 6: War or Chernobyl or any of these things.
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Speaker 5: If it works overseas, and it works so that closest allies,
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Speaker 5: why doesn't it work right here?
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Speaker 6: There is no reason for that.
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Speaker 2: Well, listen to their health advice saying now, I think
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Speaker 2: as a country we're quite happy to celebrate our underachievers
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Speaker 2: as long as they're good sports. And think of Stephen
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Speaker 2: Bradburyam and he knows that he only won gold because
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Speaker 2: everyone else fell over. He's dined out on that for
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Speaker 2: years because he's in on the joke. But I think
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Speaker 2: we also really hate someone who we think is taking
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Speaker 2: us for a ride, which brings me to Ray Gun.
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Speaker 2: Now we know her story. She went to the Olympics
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Speaker 2: to compete in breakdancing. She got zero points because she
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Speaker 2: Can't Break Dance. It went viral around the world. We
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Speaker 2: found out last week that she'd set her lawyers on
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Speaker 2: a comedian and a comedy club that we're going to
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Speaker 2: host ray Gun the musical, which was clearly a parody piece,
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Speaker 2: but because of the lawyers, they ended up canceling it.
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Speaker 2: She said it infringed her copyright and all this other nonsense.
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Speaker 2: But now it turns out that the comedy club offered
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Speaker 2: to compensate her five hundred dollars, which was their profit
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Speaker 2: on the tickets, but she said no to that, and
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Speaker 2: she's demanded ten thousand dollars in legal costs. And this
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Speaker 2: is the worst bit. All the proceeds from the show
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Speaker 2: were going to a women's shelter. So this jumped up
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Speaker 2: academic who embarrassed Australia at the Olympics, he's now robbing
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Speaker 2: money from women's shelters and tried to send a comedy
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Speaker 2: club broke for having a joke. For heaven's sake, Yeah.
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Speaker 6: It's funny, kaylab.
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Speaker 5: But when we heard this story, for a lot of people,
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Speaker 5: it was the end of the road for Ygun. That
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Speaker 5: might have entertained the idea that it was funny and
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Speaker 5: it was a bit of fun and after a fantastic
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Speaker 5: Olympic Games, it was just a quirky moment. A lot
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Speaker 5: of people said it was embarrassing. I wasn't too fuss
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Speaker 5: by it, but I also thought up until yesterday that
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Speaker 5: Raygun had a sense of humor and could handle this
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Speaker 5: sort of stuff. Some of the great Australians have had
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Speaker 5: parodies made of them, parody shows, parody songs. So the
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Speaker 5: fact that she's now fighting over ten thousand dollars of legal.
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Speaker 6: Fees, she's lost the room.
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Speaker 5: She's certainly lost my support, and I just think the
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Speaker 5: whole things a little bit sad and as you say,
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Speaker 5: a very good cause to come out of this, but
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Speaker 5: Raygun's not having a bar of it. Look, I think
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Speaker 5: at this point, the less we hear about Raygun from
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Speaker 5: this point on the better.
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Speaker 2: Well they're going to have the last laugh because they're
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Speaker 2: going to reboot it as Breaking the Musical, a completely
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Speaker 2: legal parody musical, and they're going to do a national
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Speaker 2: tour or two. So she sold more tickets for them
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Speaker 2: quickly before we go. In a story you had in
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Speaker 2: the Telly Today and exclusive that the Aboriginal heritage applications
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Speaker 2: that are being sent through are targeted at mining and
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Speaker 2: pipeline projects far more than they are renewable projects. Forty
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Speaker 2: applications against thirty proposals for gold, coal, gas, and other deposits,
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Speaker 2: only one against a win project and one against a
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Speaker 2: solar farm. It seems pretty clear what's going on.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've had indigenous leaders Caleb say as well that
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Speaker 5: these indigenous claims have been hijacked by green activists, and
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Speaker 5: we've seen recently with what happened with the gold mine
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Speaker 5: in New South Wales, which Tanya Plibusek knocked back and
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Speaker 5: said she was supporting the local indigenous community. But then
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Speaker 5: you had the authorized legislated land councils saying we'll hang on.
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Speaker 5: We're not saying we're against it, We're actually going to
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Speaker 5: entertain this. We've been ignored. So the whole thing is
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Speaker 5: a scandal, and you're right, it has been skewed more
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Speaker 5: towards mining projects. The great irony of that is that
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Speaker 5: many of these minerals that we need to mine are
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Speaker 5: needed as part of his push towards net zero. So sure,
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Speaker 5: you can take gas out of it for a second,
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Speaker 5: but it's another great example of how difficult it is
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Speaker 5: to get anything done in this country. You can clear
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Speaker 5: every hoop, get through all the red tape, the DAS
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Speaker 5: government approval, federal government approval, only to have an activist
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Speaker 5: group turn around and say, well, by the way, the
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Speaker 5: Indigenous community doesn't consult it. And we've sadly seen too
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Speaker 5: many times indigenous groups that actually aren't verified speaking in
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Speaker 5: favor of the ones that actually are. So it's a mess,
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Speaker 5: but it's a metaphor for why many times in this
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Speaker 5: country we just can't get anything done kailable.
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Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous, and plenty of Aboriginal people who would
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Speaker 2: like the jobs. James Wess, thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: your time. Coming up after the break. One of the
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Speaker 2: most important think tanks in the country that's been highlighting
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Speaker 2: the risks from the CCP they took about defense. They're
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Speaker 2: facing basically a gag order from the government. I'll have
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Speaker 2: all the details next. Don't go away now. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you know about the Australian Strategic Policy Institute. It's one
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Speaker 2: of the most important think tanks in the country and
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Speaker 2: they're work highlighting the shortcomings of our defense force and
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Speaker 2: the threat of the CCP is invaluable. That's why We
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Speaker 2: interview them here at Sky all the time. We need
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Speaker 2: their insights. But now ASPY executive director Justin Bassi has
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Speaker 2: said that the Albanezy government is trying to rain in
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Speaker 2: their work after a review that decided bureaucrats should control
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Speaker 2: their research agenda. So essentially they'll be forced to come
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Speaker 2: back with stuff that says what the government wants them
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Speaker 2: to say. Joining me now is liberal MP and former
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Speaker 2: ADF Commando Keith Wallahan. Keith seems pretty clear why the
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Speaker 2: government would want to do this, because, of course, Asby
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Speaker 2: has been outspoken about the threat of China, Alberanizi has
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Speaker 2: been cozying up to China. You'd have to think they're like, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: we cannot possibly have anyone speaking out against what's really going.
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Speaker 6: On here, kayleeb.
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Speaker 9: But I'm coming to you from outside of school at
19:19
Speaker 9: school graduation season, so I haven't checked for sprinklers. But
19:22
Speaker 9: if they go off apologize in advance, I know it's
19:25
Speaker 9: at work hazard these days.
19:26
Speaker 2: Well, I've been good television anyway, as you wouldn't mind
19:30
Speaker 2: a politician getting spread.
19:32
Speaker 6: That's right, that's right.
19:33
Speaker 9: So if I get summer with the students doing it,
19:36
Speaker 9: This is a really really important thing that has happened.
19:39
Speaker 9: We are seeing a crucial think tank that has been
19:43
Speaker 9: critical of both sides of politics on defense. And as
19:46
Speaker 9: a former ADF member, I know that the Department of
19:49
Speaker 9: Defense or the Department of Foreign Affairs doesn't get it
19:52
Speaker 9: right all the time. So to have that outside voice
19:54
Speaker 9: is important. And to have a member of the bureaucracy
19:58
Speaker 9: sit on the board. It's not that that will necessarily
20:01
Speaker 9: be so a hardcore influence. It's the soft influence. It's
20:04
Speaker 9: knowing that that person is sitting there and knowing that
20:07
Speaker 9: your funding has to be reviewed every five years. You
20:10
Speaker 9: know that's going to compromise their independence. And it's not
20:14
Speaker 9: just actual compromise, but the apprehension of compromise in the
20:17
Speaker 9: same way that we look at the apprehension of bias.
20:20
Speaker 9: So this is really concerning, and I do call on
20:23
Speaker 9: the government to reconsider their position and that the coalition
20:25
Speaker 9: certainly will be reviewing this.
20:27
Speaker 2: Well, there's no other reason to do it than if
20:29
Speaker 2: you want to influence the outcomes of the think tech. Right.
20:33
Speaker 9: Well, we've seen the reports, you know online, all of
20:35
Speaker 9: the leaks saying that the government members are unhappy with
20:38
Speaker 9: the positions taken by ASBI and unhappy because of the
20:42
Speaker 9: criticisms of their decisions, of their actions, and of their inaction,
20:46
Speaker 9: and a government to respond to that in this way
20:49
Speaker 9: is really authoritarian and it's disturbing. So the government calls
20:54
Speaker 9: on us as a coalition to defer to the experts,
20:56
Speaker 9: whether it's the CSIRO or AEMO, but it seems like
21:00
Speaker 9: they're quite selective when they ask for independent advice to
21:03
Speaker 9: be given. And I just imagine this. Imagine the coalition
21:07
Speaker 9: was calling for the CSIRO funding to be reviewed every
21:10
Speaker 9: five years. There's no way that would be tolerated and
21:12
Speaker 9: we wouldn't put that to the people.
21:15
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that this is why it's happened, as
21:17
Speaker 2: in you know, the CCPs picked up the phone to
21:19
Speaker 2: Elbow and said get rid of Aspy. But how much
21:22
Speaker 2: do you think the link between the Albanesi government and China,
21:27
Speaker 2: and they've made a great effort during their time in
21:30
Speaker 2: government to suck up to China, how much of that
21:33
Speaker 2: do you think plays into this decision.
21:36
Speaker 9: Both sides of politics value the trade that we have
21:38
Speaker 9: with China. It's our largest trading partner. But it's important
21:41
Speaker 9: that we are clear eyed about that and what concerns
21:45
Speaker 9: me is that the fourteen demands that were made years ago,
21:49
Speaker 9: this was one of them. So that should cause the
21:51
Speaker 9: government to pause because it does look like capitulation to
21:54
Speaker 9: those fourteen demands, and those fourteen demands were unreasonable and
21:57
Speaker 9: they didn't work, and I would have hoped that is
22:00
Speaker 9: something that both sides of politics recognize. We don't want
22:03
Speaker 9: to set a precedent where similar demands are made in
22:05
Speaker 9: the future. So because it was in that least, that
22:08
Speaker 9: is an extra reason why this should not occur.
22:11
Speaker 3: Now.
22:11
Speaker 2: Keith Penny Wong has spoken about the reports of her
22:14
Speaker 2: fiery phone call with the Israeli Foreign Minister. This is
22:17
Speaker 2: what she had to say about it.
22:20
Speaker 10: Australia, alongside the United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand, Japan and
22:25
Speaker 10: many other countries, have been calling for a ceasefire, for
22:28
Speaker 10: the release of hostages and for the provision of aid
22:32
Speaker 10: into Gaza. That is the position we have been articulating,
22:36
Speaker 10: and that's the position that I reflected to the Israeli
22:40
Speaker 10: Foreign Minister.
22:42
Speaker 2: Seems like she's playing down that phone call. Of course,
22:45
Speaker 2: the reports we've heard out of Israel about how it
22:47
Speaker 2: went are slightly different.
22:51
Speaker 9: Well, it is and This is the problem with our
22:54
Speaker 9: relationship with Israel now. It is never been lower. And
22:57
Speaker 9: the reason it has never been lower is because Israel
23:00
Speaker 9: it's friends more than any other time in their history.
23:03
Speaker 9: And what we know when you're standing up to bullies
23:05
Speaker 9: and they've got bullies at their neighbors, is you have
23:08
Speaker 9: to be strong. And what the government is calling for
23:11
Speaker 9: is a time of weakness when it is the last
23:13
Speaker 9: thing that should be done. So, of course we want
23:16
Speaker 9: to see the hostages return, We want to see the
23:18
Speaker 9: war ended, we want to see civilian casualties ended. But
23:21
Speaker 9: in order to do that, the war has to end
23:23
Speaker 9: in a way that it won't start again. So what
23:25
Speaker 9: Israel is doing against Hesbala, what it's doing against Hamas,
23:29
Speaker 9: and what it is doing against the other bad faith
23:32
Speaker 9: actors in the region should be supported. So to undermine
23:34
Speaker 9: them in key votes at the UN at this time,
23:37
Speaker 9: at this time, when the war is still on, is
23:40
Speaker 9: really undermining our relationship with a key partner.
23:43
Speaker 2: I'll talk about this later in the show because it
23:46
Speaker 2: involves Donald Trump and of course his threat to basically
23:50
Speaker 2: rig Havoc if there is not a release of the
23:52
Speaker 2: hostages by the time he becomes president. But there is
23:55
Speaker 2: talk now that there could well be a cease fire
23:58
Speaker 2: by the end of the year, and that Hamas is
24:01
Speaker 2: more and more moving towards getting on board with something
24:04
Speaker 2: like that. But it comes with no thanks or dues
24:09
Speaker 2: for Penny Wong or any other people like her. I mean,
24:12
Speaker 2: they've been running around saying, oh, we need to cease fire,
24:14
Speaker 2: we need to cease far, we need to cease far.
24:16
Speaker 2: But by that they've essentially meant that Israel should put
24:19
Speaker 2: down their guns and then, I don't know, let Hamas
24:22
Speaker 2: run riot. They've not actually shown any leadership that would
24:26
Speaker 2: lead to the cease fire that they supposedly want.
24:30
Speaker 9: If you're in a position like Pennywong is, you should
24:32
Speaker 9: be a student of history. And this isn't the first
24:35
Speaker 9: conflict to ravage the earth. And we know that these
24:38
Speaker 9: conflicts end in a negotiation, and those negotiations end from
24:42
Speaker 9: a position of strength. They never end in a position
24:44
Speaker 9: of weakness. Positions of weakness prolong the conflicts. So whatever
24:48
Speaker 9: well intended outcomes, the government has to force Israel to
24:52
Speaker 9: show a weekend is to prolong this war, and surely
24:54
Speaker 9: they must know that.
24:55
Speaker 2: Keith Wallahan, thank you so much for your time now.
24:58
Speaker 2: Remember when Alberneazi spokes so earnestly after the Royal Commission
25:02
Speaker 2: into Veterans Suicides was released about how he wanted to
25:05
Speaker 2: help our veterans.
25:09
Speaker 11: Our veterans went in our name, ready to give everything.
25:13
Speaker 2: They put themselves on the line. We owe them more
25:17
Speaker 2: than sentiment good words, but they need to be followed
25:21
Speaker 2: up with actions. And The Australian has uncovered another example
25:26
Speaker 2: of just how slack the federal government has been at
25:29
Speaker 2: looking after our veterans. And this is not just labor,
25:31
Speaker 2: by the way, it needs to be noted. It turns
25:34
Speaker 2: out that psychologists and mental health workers for the ADF
25:38
Speaker 2: haven't been paid up to fifty million dollars in superannuation
25:43
Speaker 2: over the last twelve years. I mean, these are the
25:45
Speaker 2: people charged with looking after some of our most vulnerable
25:48
Speaker 2: who've served our country, and we can't even pay their
25:51
Speaker 2: super let's bringing Veterans Advocate Ryan Shaw. Ryan, thank you
25:56
Speaker 2: for joining me. This must make your blood. Boy. Here
26:00
Speaker 2: we are saying we're making people available to veterans to
26:04
Speaker 2: help them with their mental health, but we can't even
26:07
Speaker 2: pay those people properly. This system is broken.
26:14
Speaker 11: Thanks for having me on. You're absolutely right. It does
26:17
Speaker 11: make my blood boil. And the way I look at
26:19
Speaker 11: this is it's more than just a payroll mistake. It
26:23
Speaker 11: is a systemic failure to those that are keeping our
26:28
Speaker 11: veterans alive, and it is making them undervalued and underpaid.
26:34
Speaker 11: Imagine being a veteran in a mental health crisis and
26:39
Speaker 11: unable to access these services purely because of something like
26:43
Speaker 11: staff blowout, over burnt being used too much.
26:47
Speaker 6: It does make my blood boil.
26:49
Speaker 2: Well, you wouldn't go to work, could you. I mean,
26:51
Speaker 2: I'm surprised anyone has been going to work in those
26:54
Speaker 2: circumstances twelve years and they haven't been paid their superannuation.
26:58
Speaker 2: I mean, surely there has to be an acknowledgment from
27:02
Speaker 2: the federal government that the work these psychologists and mental
27:05
Speaker 2: health workers are doing is extremely important and not only
27:09
Speaker 2: should they be paid super, perhaps they should be paid
27:12
Speaker 2: more super. I mean generally, if you work in the
27:15
Speaker 2: public service, you get fifteen percent SUPER, which is more
27:17
Speaker 2: than you get in the private sector. I think, as
27:20
Speaker 2: you say, it shows exactly how much they really care
27:24
Speaker 2: about this, which would seem to be not all that much.
27:30
Speaker 11: Yeah, this goes beyond a policy issue. It's a crisis
27:35
Speaker 11: that reflects the government's inability to prioritize the welfare of veterans.
27:41
Speaker 11: Just as you say, you look at the statistics here.
27:44
Speaker 11: What was reported to us from the Royal Commission is
27:47
Speaker 11: that three soldiers, three veterans current and former serving take.
27:51
Speaker 2: Their life every fortnight. And look at that from a
27:54
Speaker 2: statistic level.
27:55
Speaker 11: The interim report was dropped in August twenty twenty two,
27:58
Speaker 11: I believe, and the statistical equivalent of that is one
28:02
Speaker 11: hundred and fifty lives, and the report's final report being
28:05
Speaker 11: dropped in September this year. Do the math on that,
28:08
Speaker 11: that's what twenty lives. And these are people that I
28:12
Speaker 11: could have known, and to be frank, I advocate very
28:15
Speaker 11: strongly in this space because I'm sick of my mates
28:18
Speaker 11: killing themselves.
28:19
Speaker 2: Well, Tony Burke said that wage theft should be a
28:22
Speaker 2: criminal offense. I mean, by that standard, surely the federal
28:26
Speaker 2: government should be up on charges.
28:31
Speaker 11: You're right, And I think he's the leader of the
28:33
Speaker 11: House now, so maybe he could whip some of his
28:35
Speaker 11: members into action, because that's what we need right now.
28:37
Speaker 11: If you look at the Recommendation seventy five, which explicitly
28:41
Speaker 11: called out an overall of open arms. That was weeks ago,
28:45
Speaker 11: and we need action now. And we've got a government
28:47
Speaker 11: that has blamed.
28:49
Speaker 2: Veterans last week that their budget.
28:51
Speaker 11: Was blown out because of veterans, interesting way of putting it.
28:54
Speaker 2: And this is a government.
28:55
Speaker 11: That has has touted its stance on wageffth yet here
29:00
Speaker 11: we have a real time example of underpayment to the
29:04
Speaker 11: tune of a fifty million dollar scandal. So where the
29:08
Speaker 11: rhetoric quey doesn't match and what Tony Burk's saying doesn't
29:11
Speaker 11: actually match the action.
29:12
Speaker 2: So perhaps as the leader, he could.
29:14
Speaker 11: Demonstrate a little bit of leadership that we don't have
29:16
Speaker 11: right now in the government as a whole.
29:18
Speaker 2: Now, since that Royal Commission's report came down a couple
29:21
Speaker 2: of months ago, how much confidence have you had that
29:23
Speaker 2: there is actually movement here? I think this is a
29:29
Speaker 2: prime example to show why I think I've got zero confidence.
29:33
Speaker 2: I think the more critical ones I address these on
29:35
Speaker 2: the show the other day. Recommendations seventy one and seventy
29:39
Speaker 2: two were very critical to addressing key issues that we're
29:43
Speaker 2: having that are causing this national crisis, and they were
29:46
Speaker 2: agreed in principle and we talked about that in detail
29:49
Speaker 2: last time. But even the things that are agreed in detail,
29:52
Speaker 2: which includes, as I said, recommendation seventy five days later,
29:57
Speaker 2: we're now looking at a fifty million dollar scandal that
29:59
Speaker 2: is the exact opposite to what we would expect from this.
30:02
Speaker 2: It's just disgraceful. I mean, you know, we know that
30:05
Speaker 2: our veterans should be treated better, but for Heaven's sake,
30:07
Speaker 2: the people who are looking after them should be treated better.
30:10
Speaker 2: Ryan Shaw, thank you so much for your time. Coming up,
30:13
Speaker 2: New South Wales is launching a pill testing trial of
30:16
Speaker 2: self out on drugs. I suppose Garth Hamilton and Charlotte
30:19
Speaker 2: Mortlock will discuss this and the other big stories of
30:22
Speaker 2: the day don't go away. Well, the New South Wales
30:27
Speaker 2: government is pushing ahead with pill testing. They've announced a
30:30
Speaker 2: twelve month trial of it at music festivals. I just
30:33
Speaker 2: found the whole thing bizarre because basically you hand your
30:36
Speaker 2: drugs to a government authority who then tests the illegal
30:40
Speaker 2: product for bleach or rat poison or whatever, and then
30:43
Speaker 2: they hand it straight back to you. They don't confiscate it.
30:47
Speaker 2: He was Premier Chris Mins today.
30:49
Speaker 3: But ultimately we all need to be led by the evidence.
30:51
Speaker 3: We need to be led by the facts as they're
30:53
Speaker 3: presented to government. Our hope is that this trial saves lives.
30:58
Speaker 3: I want to make it clear that there's no safe
31:00
Speaker 3: way to do drugs in New South Wales and drug
31:04
Speaker 3: use in the state is still illegal.
31:07
Speaker 2: It's still illegal, but we will test your illegal drugs
31:11
Speaker 2: for you. Opposition leader Mark Speakman rightly pointed out the
31:14
Speaker 2: floor with all of this.
31:16
Speaker 12: There's no safe level of drug use and when people
31:19
Speaker 12: go to music festivals there's the risk that they'll have
31:22
Speaker 12: this full sense of security. The Premier needs to come
31:24
Speaker 12: clean on just exactly what this trial is going to evaluate.
31:27
Speaker 12: Who's going to evaluate it, what are the criteria for evaluation.
31:32
Speaker 2: Let's bring in my Panelton Art, executive director of Hillmer's Entwork,
31:35
Speaker 2: Charlotte Mortlock, and Liberal MP Garth Hamilton. Charlotte, you know
31:40
Speaker 2: you can't have it both ways as far as I'm concerned.
31:42
Speaker 2: If the product is illegal, then why do you you're
31:46
Speaker 2: essentially creating a zone where drugs are legal. Like it's
31:50
Speaker 2: a music festival. There are coppers there, so what are
31:53
Speaker 2: you saying it's all good. You can come into the
31:56
Speaker 2: tent where we do the testing and you can walk
31:58
Speaker 2: at the other side, and the coppers aren't going to
32:01
Speaker 2: be there to arrest you. Yeah, I believe with you.
32:04
Speaker 13: I agree with you earlier comments that it's a bizarre situation,
32:06
Speaker 13: but I do believe that it's one of those situations
32:09
Speaker 13: where let's not let perfect be the enemy of good.
32:12
Speaker 13: I am actually in support of this, at least for
32:15
Speaker 13: the very least doing the twelve month trial, gathering evidence,
32:18
Speaker 13: and they're making a decision based on that, because it's
32:22
Speaker 13: not the same way that it always used to be
32:24
Speaker 13: in the UK. At the moment, one person is dying
32:27
Speaker 13: every two days because of a drug that is ending
32:29
Speaker 13: up in recreational drugs that shouldn't be and we need
32:33
Speaker 13: to be mitigating as much risk as possible, and I
32:36
Speaker 13: do think that where possible, I try to be consistent,
32:39
Speaker 13: and I think that the Coalition took a policy with
32:42
Speaker 13: vaping where we said this is a bad industry, we
32:44
Speaker 13: really want to clean it up and we want to
32:47
Speaker 13: get things off the black market, so we opted for
32:49
Speaker 13: regulating that. I don't know why we wouldn't take a
32:52
Speaker 13: similar approach. Kids are not going to stop doing drugs,
32:55
Speaker 13: that is a utopia, So I don't understand why we
32:58
Speaker 13: wouldn't take a similar life end to this and think
33:01
Speaker 13: that sunshine is the best disinfectant.
33:03
Speaker 2: But the difference between vaping and drugs is that vaping
33:06
Speaker 2: was a very similar thing to smoking. It's just a
33:09
Speaker 2: different form of the same action. Whereas Garth here, we're
33:13
Speaker 2: talking about products that have been or products you know,
33:16
Speaker 2: in inverted commas, that are illegal and have been for
33:19
Speaker 2: a very long time. And I worry that if you
33:22
Speaker 2: start saying, well you can have the pill testing done,
33:26
Speaker 2: it does in one way or another. Even if the
33:28
Speaker 2: premier stands there and says there is no safe way
33:31
Speaker 2: of taking drugs, it is essentially saying here is the
33:34
Speaker 2: safe way to take the drugs.
33:38
Speaker 1: Look absolutely, Maybe they could follow this same line of
33:41
Speaker 1: thinking and say, look, when you leave the music festival,
33:44
Speaker 1: just drive your car as fast as you can, have
33:45
Speaker 1: a little burnout and see how the wheels hold up.
33:48
Speaker 1: You know, we know it's illegal, but just go as
33:50
Speaker 1: fast as you can for this little bit.
33:51
Speaker 6: We'll just test that out. Absolutely ridiculous.
33:54
Speaker 1: I think this is the story of what happens when
33:57
Speaker 1: Labor put forward a centrist premiere tries to appeal to
34:02
Speaker 1: more conservative voters. He tries to have that broad appeal
34:04
Speaker 1: as Chris Mins did. But just like that great line
34:07
Speaker 1: from Godfather three, you know, every time I get out,
34:10
Speaker 1: they've dragged me back.
34:11
Speaker 6: The left in labor have dragged.
34:13
Speaker 1: Him back to this ridiculous policy where it was have a.
34:16
Speaker 6: Foot either side.
34:16
Speaker 1: Drugs are bad, but you know what, let's let's sort
34:20
Speaker 1: of turn a blind eye when when you have a
34:22
Speaker 1: couple at a music festival. There's terrible policy. It has
34:27
Speaker 1: no consistency whatsoever.
34:28
Speaker 6: And sadly, I think.
34:29
Speaker 1: Chris Mins is getting dragged back to the left, a
34:33
Speaker 1: bad sign for the rest of his term.
34:35
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't think it's perfect, but we need to
34:37
Speaker 13: look at kids are not going to stop doing this
34:40
Speaker 13: like that is never going to happen, So what can
34:42
Speaker 13: we implement that it is going to reduce harm. The
34:45
Speaker 13: thing we all want that I'm sure we're all in agreemance,
34:47
Speaker 13: is that we want young people to stop dying from
34:50
Speaker 13: drug overdoses and so.
34:52
Speaker 2: They step taking drags.
34:53
Speaker 6: Yes, as would I, as we all would.
34:55
Speaker 13: And you know, I'm not sanctomonious, but I don't need
34:58
Speaker 13: to preach that because it is illegal still, and I
35:01
Speaker 13: get that the contradictory nature of the idea and the policy.
35:04
Speaker 13: But I don't see the issue with doing a trial
35:06
Speaker 13: for twelve months and seeing what it produces.
35:08
Speaker 2: See if people are more.
35:10
Speaker 13: Likely to take drugs because of that mechanism, or if
35:12
Speaker 13: it doesn't change it at all.
35:13
Speaker 2: Well, and I know some places overseas where they legalize
35:16
Speaker 2: marijuana they've actually walked back the legalization of it because
35:20
Speaker 2: they noticed garth that it led to big issues afterwards.
35:22
Speaker 2: But you raise the Godfather, I have to ask you
35:25
Speaker 2: the controversial question. Is Godfather a Christmas movie?
35:32
Speaker 1: Look, everything's a Christmas movie depends on what you're eating
35:35
Speaker 1: and drinking at the time.
35:38
Speaker 2: Godfather on a regular basis, that is a very very
35:42
Speaker 2: good not on my high rotation, but I might have
35:46
Speaker 2: some people say it is. Anyway, let's talk about the
35:49
Speaker 2: mid year economic and fiscal Outlook, you're probably sick of
35:52
Speaker 2: me talking about it. We're going to do it again
35:53
Speaker 2: because it does matter now. Jim Chalmers was asked if
35:56
Speaker 2: you can finally admit that that famous two hundred and
35:59
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars off your power bill was a broken promise?
36:04
Speaker 2: Is what he had to say.
36:06
Speaker 4: Modeling also didn't account for the war in Ukraine, and
36:10
Speaker 4: it was modeled in twenty twenty one for an outcome
36:13
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five, and it's twenty twenty four now.
36:17
Speaker 2: I mean, seriously, shut give it up. Just give it up, mate,
36:22
Speaker 2: You're not going to get your two hundred and seventy
36:24
Speaker 2: five dollars. It's twenty twenty four, it's not twenty twenty five.
36:28
Speaker 6: Seriously.
36:29
Speaker 13: Yes, No, I think the writing is on the wall
36:31
Speaker 13: with that lot. I think everyone in Australia has come
36:34
Speaker 13: to peace with this other than Jim Chalmers. So I
36:36
Speaker 13: do think that he needs a bit of a reality check.
36:39
Speaker 13: And I mean the figures that are coming out are scary.
36:41
Speaker 13: It's going to be the first government where we're going
36:43
Speaker 13: to see a trillion dollars of debt and still we
36:46
Speaker 13: are seeing the Labor government spending twelve dollars for every
36:49
Speaker 13: one dollar that it is saving. And it is just
36:52
Speaker 13: completely out of control and it is affecting every single
36:56
Speaker 13: Australian and.
36:57
Speaker 2: Tax goes up, it keeps going up. Prattling on about
37:00
Speaker 2: this last night, Garth. The taxes a percentage of GDP
37:05
Speaker 2: goes up. It used to be a bit below twenty
37:08
Speaker 2: two percent for about the last fifteen years. Now it's
37:12
Speaker 2: somewhere around twenty three and a half percent. Income tax
37:15
Speaker 2: receipts have doubled in the last decade. They're taking more
37:20
Speaker 2: of your money and spending it, and we know that
37:22
Speaker 2: leads to inflation.
37:26
Speaker 1: Not only that, of course, it leads to inflation. Not
37:28
Speaker 1: only that, that's one of the key drivers of the
37:30
Speaker 1: two surpluses that this government wants to cry about. Yes,
37:33
Speaker 1: they drove a surpase off the back of the pain
37:36
Speaker 1: felt by the Australian people. Then they want to try
37:39
Speaker 1: and sell it to us as some great achievement. And
37:42
Speaker 1: of course we see from my IFO what we got
37:44
Speaker 1: was a two for ten deal. Two surpluses for ten deficits.
37:48
Speaker 1: Whoever thinks that's good fiscal management, it's absolutely ridiculous.
37:52
Speaker 6: And Jim Chalmer has been found out.
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Speaker 1: He's been trying to say he's had restraint with his
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Speaker 1: spending all this while it's spent the complete opposite. He's
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Speaker 1: spent like a runk and sailor. We're now paying the price.
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Speaker 2: Indeed he's drunk and sailor. And mean you look at
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Speaker 2: two two about tax that the alcohol exercise as well
38:06
Speaker 2: has gone through the roof. And of course all of
38:08
Speaker 2: this plays into the cost of living, and I talked
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Speaker 2: about at the top of the show this disturbing report
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Speaker 2: from the WA Council of Social Services, which you know
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Speaker 2: they have for the first time since they've been tracking
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Speaker 2: this data, which is seventeen odd years, found that a
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Speaker 2: dual income family with two kids in Western Australia cannot
38:27
Speaker 2: make ends meet. I mean, it's hard to believe that
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Speaker 2: this is really Australia. We went as I talked about
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Speaker 2: earlier from as a kid. I'm twenty five years old
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Speaker 2: and I have a brother, and I was raised essentially
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Speaker 2: on one and a quarter incomes. You can't do that anymore.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it is. I spend so much time thinking about this,
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Speaker 13: like how we fix this problem because every household. I
38:52
Speaker 13: think it's also reducing individual choice, because no one's having
38:55
Speaker 13: a choice of how to look after their family and
38:57
Speaker 13: the lifestyle that they want for their family, because every
38:59
Speaker 13: household needs a minimum of two full time working parents.
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Speaker 13: And then we're saying keep having kids because the population'
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Speaker 13: is in decline, so they're forced to put them into
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Speaker 13: childcare even if they don't want to, and childcare is
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Speaker 13: through the roof, and no one's getting the hands on
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Speaker 13: time with the kids that they want. It is such
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Speaker 13: a bind. And I think that we are having this increasing,
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Speaker 13: increasing chasm of inequality, and we are seeing the anarchy
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Speaker 13: playing out in the United States at the moment, and
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Speaker 13: you know, Heaven forbid that sort of behavior comes here
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Speaker 13: in Australia where people try to take justice into their
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Speaker 13: own hands. But the problem is that I don't think
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Speaker 13: politics is left or right anymore. There is pro establishment
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Speaker 13: and there is anti establishment. And until the establishment start
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Speaker 13: looking after those families in Western Australia and right across
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Speaker 13: our country, we have a lot on the line.
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Speaker 2: It is very risky business, one hundred percent. Now, Garth,
39:54
Speaker 2: I know you're up in Queensland, but I think this
39:56
Speaker 2: will resonate with you as much as it will people
39:58
Speaker 2: here in New South Wales because the state governing New
40:01
Speaker 2: South Wales have lodged court action to block rail strikes
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Speaker 2: in Sydney which will affect so many people in the
40:07
Speaker 2: lead up to Christmas and New Years. I mean they're
40:09
Speaker 2: talking about striking train drivers on New Year's Eve and
40:14
Speaker 2: there is no bigger time in Sydney the New Year's Eve.
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Speaker 2: The state government lost in court today. They're currently trying
40:22
Speaker 2: to have this stuff dealt with as we speak. It
40:24
Speaker 2: is a ridiculous situation to think that the rail union
40:28
Speaker 2: can hold the government to ransom like this.
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Speaker 6: It is ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: I was in the UK and twenty twelve when I
40:36
Speaker 1: saw exactly the same thing play out on the tube
40:38
Speaker 1: stations over there, the chaos that it caused. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think it's one good thing to point out here.
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Speaker 1: Though the RTBU has given over a million dollars in
40:47
Speaker 1: donations to this labor government.
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Speaker 6: You're talking about two.
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Speaker 1: Groups of people who are very very close together, and
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Speaker 1: if they wanted to resolve this, I have absolutely no
40:56
Speaker 1: doubt they could. Now a million dollar relationships a pretty
40:59
Speaker 1: tight one. So you have to see this for what
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Speaker 1: this is. The people of New South Wales are clearly
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Speaker 1: being put second, not only by the.
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Speaker 6: Unions but by their leadership.
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Speaker 1: This could be resolved, This could absolutely be resolved. Instead,
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Speaker 1: we've got a bit of a lover's tift that's going
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Speaker 1: to cost people quite frankly over the Christmas period.
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Speaker 2: And like many lovers TIFFs, that ends up being caught
41:19
Speaker 2: and costs a lot of money. Garth Hamilton Charlotte Maulblock
41:21
Speaker 2: when he's so much for your time coming up after
41:24
Speaker 2: the break. Trump is changing the course of conflict in
41:26
Speaker 2: the Middle East, and he's not even president yet, will
41:29
Speaker 2: he may as well be? I think at this point,
41:31
Speaker 2: Kosher Garda joins me. Next, Well, Donald Trump is still
41:37
Speaker 2: a few weeks away from officially becoming president, but let's
41:40
Speaker 2: be honest, he's basically the president already. Earlier this month,
41:44
Speaker 2: he wrote on Truth Social which is of course his platform.
41:47
Speaker 2: If the hostages are not released to January twenty, twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty five, the date that I proudly assume office as
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Speaker 2: President of the United States, there will be all hell
41:57
Speaker 2: to pay in the Middle East and for those in
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Speaker 2: charge who perpetrated these atrocities against humanity. Well, the International
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Speaker 2: news group AFP are reporting that diplomatic sources have told
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Speaker 2: them that since this post Hamas have been pushing for
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Speaker 2: a cease fire and are hoping to reach a deal
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Speaker 2: by the end of the year. Let's bring in Sky
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Speaker 2: and News contributor Kosher Garda. Now, I mean, Kosher. You
42:19
Speaker 2: barely see anything of Biden these days. It would seem
42:23
Speaker 2: that Trump's out there doing the job of president, even
42:26
Speaker 2: though he hasn't been inaugurated.
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Speaker 8: It is a safe assumption to make, Caleb, for sure,
42:33
Speaker 8: I think Mara Lago is the place to be, and
42:35
Speaker 8: you've had all sorts of world leaders and everybody from
42:37
Speaker 8: Mark Zuckerberg to Justin Trudeau and Benjamin Natanyahu and others
42:42
Speaker 8: go through there. So he is the de facto president
42:45
Speaker 8: more so than a typical president elect would be. Look,
42:47
Speaker 8: I think there's other structural changes that have also happened
42:50
Speaker 8: in recent weeks leading to this potential good deal coming
42:54
Speaker 8: out of the hostage situation with Syria and just the
42:58
Speaker 8: extra uncertainty injecting into the region with Hasbulla being weakened
43:02
Speaker 8: in Lebanon's I'm sure all of that is playing a
43:05
Speaker 8: factor as well. But US leadership always is a key
43:08
Speaker 8: factor on the chessboard, and the leadership looks like nat
43:10
Speaker 8: and dare with Trump now coming in in short order
43:13
Speaker 8: here versus Biden or even if it Edwin Harris.
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Speaker 2: Well exactly, and I think leadership is the is the
43:18
Speaker 2: key word here, right. I mean, you know, even though
43:21
Speaker 2: he isn't president and he hasn't actually done any deals yet,
43:26
Speaker 2: he's been on the phone to people and just by
43:28
Speaker 2: the fact that he is there and he will be
43:30
Speaker 2: president I think it shifts the way the world operates
43:34
Speaker 2: because people are starting to think, well, if Donald Trump
43:37
Speaker 2: is going to be president again, we've got to start
43:40
Speaker 2: working in a way that we can deal with him.
43:42
Speaker 2: And that makes people make decisions that they wouldn't have
43:45
Speaker 2: made under Joe Biden, such as potentially looking at a ceasefire.
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Speaker 8: Yes. Absolutely, I mean this was a very high contrast
43:54
Speaker 8: election on a whole host of policy issues, domestic and
43:58
Speaker 8: international because the entire higher platform, as well as their
44:02
Speaker 8: leadership style back to you know, that word is so
44:05
Speaker 8: different so night and day and here too. You know,
44:07
Speaker 8: the world does know a little bit about Trump's style
44:09
Speaker 8: this time around, since he was in office for four
44:11
Speaker 8: years before, and they do know that he is somebody
44:13
Speaker 8: who's very strong. He is actually quite strategic. He's quite unpredictable.
44:17
Speaker 8: That's actually part of his strategy. He's been very open
44:19
Speaker 8: to that, and that does make some of these actors
44:21
Speaker 8: a little bit back on their heels because you know,
44:23
Speaker 8: they don't know what he's capable of, but he is
44:25
Speaker 8: capable of making some pretty big moves versus the other team,
44:29
Speaker 8: like we.
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Speaker 7: Would not have.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the current president, Joe Biden how
44:33
Speaker 2: strange it feels to say that current president in name
44:36
Speaker 2: only basically, but he's broken his silence on these strange
44:40
Speaker 2: drones that have been flying about the United States. This
44:43
Speaker 2: story has been going on for a few days now.
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Speaker 2: This is what he had to say, not being.
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Speaker 3: But the checker.
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Speaker 7: You've all there's a lot of drones authorized used to
44:54
Speaker 7: cut down who weren't started, and they all guys, everybody's
44:58
Speaker 7: wanting to get in the deal.
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Speaker 8: Will liver palled.
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Speaker 2: Quote nothing the farious apparently why to filled Babel with confidence?
45:11
Speaker 8: Confidence is dropping like a stone every day on this issue, Kleb.
45:16
Speaker 8: And it's another day more and more drone sightings and
45:18
Speaker 8: no answers. And you have that where it's part of
45:21
Speaker 8: this very bizarre and very poorly executed comms strategy by
45:25
Speaker 8: the sprawling US government where different agencies that have been
45:28
Speaker 8: contradicting each other, they wheeled Biden out to give that
45:31
Speaker 8: statement and it wasn't even delivered correctly. As you mentioned,
45:34
Speaker 8: there was a rare joint statement that came out as
45:37
Speaker 8: well in the last twenty four hours by the DoD
45:40
Speaker 8: which again is the group that has eight hundred billion
45:43
Speaker 8: dollars in a budget, and they failed the last seven audits,
45:45
Speaker 8: so I don't think people trust them. The DHS, which
45:48
Speaker 8: has led eleven million illegals into the border and five
45:51
Speaker 8: hundred thousand children are missing. And by the way, they
45:54
Speaker 8: oversee the Secret Service which botched the protection of Trump,
45:57
Speaker 8: and the FBI, who has not exactly covered itself and
45:59
Speaker 8: glory either. So these people are coming out with these statements,
46:02
Speaker 8: nobody trusts them. Trump came out with the statement actually
46:05
Speaker 8: back to that point of President elect or defacto or
46:07
Speaker 8: president saying, everybody knows the US government knows exactly what's
46:11
Speaker 8: going on for some reason, they're not telling us, and
46:13
Speaker 8: that injected even more innuendo into this bizarre mystry.
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Speaker 2: Well, what do you reckon? I are come, I'm giving
46:19
Speaker 2: you theory kosher.
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Speaker 8: I wish I knew. Look, it's on a spectrum from
46:25
Speaker 8: hobbyists and commercial theories, which I don't think. Is it
46:28
Speaker 8: to foreign adversaries, which they're saying is unlikely as well.
46:31
Speaker 8: I think the money is that it is the US government.
46:34
Speaker 8: Some part of the US government does know what it
46:36
Speaker 8: is and they have some reason for not telling us.
46:38
Speaker 8: And then that runs a gamut of is it a
46:40
Speaker 8: chemical spill, is there.
46:41
Speaker 2: A radioactive material.
46:43
Speaker 8: Are they training for warfare because drones are going to
46:45
Speaker 8: be the future of warfare as some training exercise?
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Speaker 6: And why is that?
46:48
Speaker 8: Is there some hot war you very imminent that they
46:51
Speaker 8: need to do this? All sorts of things. But I'm
46:54
Speaker 8: just preally speculating. I know nothing more than the next person, well.
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Speaker 2: At least not the theories. Apparently, and speaking of Biden,
47:01
Speaker 2: aids are finally admitting the truth that you know, we've
47:04
Speaker 2: all been able to see for years. The New York
47:06
Speaker 2: Times reports today that aides are telling them, quote, he
47:09
Speaker 2: looks a little older and a little slower with each
47:12
Speaker 2: passing day. It's hard to imagine that he seriously thought
47:16
Speaker 2: he could do the world's most stressful job for another
47:19
Speaker 2: four years. I could have told you that four years ago.
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Speaker 8: Yes, you and everybody with two eyes, but we were
47:29
Speaker 8: told not to believe our lying eyes. You know, these
47:31
Speaker 8: are Johnny Come Lately's. It's so easy to come out
47:34
Speaker 8: now and say this stuff when there's no consequence to
47:37
Speaker 8: saying it. It would have made much more of an impact,
47:40
Speaker 8: especially to Democrat voters who were deprived of a primary
47:44
Speaker 8: process and the ability to actually have some very talented
47:46
Speaker 8: people from Democrat Party run in the primary. That would
47:48
Speaker 8: have been a better time to raise this, but they
47:51
Speaker 8: didn't when there was personal risk or career risk. They're
47:53
Speaker 8: doing it now. I will quickly say, okay, Lib though
47:56
Speaker 8: he is out of it clearly as everyone can see,
47:59
Speaker 8: his residency or the people handling him or the cabinet
48:02
Speaker 8: are not going quietly. And they've done, you know, all
48:05
Speaker 8: these judge ship appointments, He's vetoiled, a couple of bills.
48:08
Speaker 8: He did the Clemency's free the highest ever in history.
48:11
Speaker 8: So there's a lot of action happening, given if Biden's
48:13
Speaker 8: personally maybe not aware of all of it.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, and of course, the worst thing about all of this,
48:18
Speaker 2: you know we're sitting here having a laugh about it,
48:21
Speaker 2: is that they've known this for so long while he
48:24
Speaker 2: has been president, and they were going to give him
48:27
Speaker 2: another shot until he bagged up that debate. They would
48:31
Speaker 2: have willingly let him, in the state he is in,
48:34
Speaker 2: have another go, which is just unforgivable. Kosher Gata, thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for your time, and thank you for
48:39
Speaker 2: your company as well. The Bolt Report is up next
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Speaker 2: with James McPherson. You'll see me again right here, tomorrow tonight,
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Speaker 2: tomorrow night, not tonight, at six pm. Good Night,