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  Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to Proof Sidebar. New episodes of Proof,
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  Speaker 1: covering the cases of Lee, Clark and Kane's story are
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  Speaker 1: released every Monday, but sometimes on Thursdays. You'll see many
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  Speaker 1: episodes like this one. Sidebar episodes. It's a chance for
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  Speaker 1: us to answer listener questions about the case, talk about
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  Speaker 1: things going on behind the scenes, and other true crime topics.
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  Speaker 1: And for this very first sidebar episode of Proof, I'm
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  Speaker 1: here with Jasinda Davis and Kevin Fitzpatrick to start things off.
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  Speaker 1: Just Senda, tell us why you suggested the name sidebar
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  Speaker 1: for these episodes.
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  Speaker 2: The sidebar is my favorite part of court trials. It's
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  Speaker 2: when the judge invites counsel to come up to a
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  Speaker 2: special area I think usually around where the judge sits,
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  Speaker 2: and it's out of earshot of the jury room. Can
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  Speaker 2: hear what they're talking about, and it's off the record,
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  Speaker 2: but it's often transcribed, and it's to me the best
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  Speaker 2: part of a court case. It's where the lawyers kind
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  Speaker 2: of fight it out and you hear things that the
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  Speaker 2: jury doesn't hear and you wonder why the jury's not
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  Speaker 2: hearing it, and it's sort of like a more candid
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  Speaker 2: version of what's happening in the courtroom, and I thought
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  Speaker 2: that'd be a good name for these episodes.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of the behind the scenes negotiations that go
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  Speaker 1: on in a courtroom, and because they're often discussing whether
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  Speaker 1: or not the jury can hear something, it's often where
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  Speaker 1: the interesting but sometimes erroneous stuff comes up. And it's also,
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  Speaker 1: like Sina said, where the judge and the attorneys get
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  Speaker 1: more candid they often speak a little more freely.
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  Speaker 2: So in that sense, sidebar our Bonus episodes are like
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  Speaker 2: a sidebar because it's where we can answer questions, talk
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  Speaker 2: about things that maybe weren't presented at trial, or new
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  Speaker 2: things that we uncover, or just be a little more
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  Speaker 2: candid about the conversation surrounding this case and other cases
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  Speaker 2: we're covering.
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  Speaker 1: And while out investigating cases, Jacinda and I spent a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time driving around together arguing over true crime cases.
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  Speaker 1: So these sidebar episodes are a chance for us to
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  Speaker 1: continue doing that while we're in the middle of a
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  Speaker 1: season exactly. And in future sidebar episodes you'll hear from
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  Speaker 1: guests and we'll talk about the cases we're covering and
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  Speaker 1: other true crime topics. But for this very first sidebar,
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  Speaker 1: we thought we'd talk a bit more about who we
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  Speaker 1: are and how this show came to be. So to
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  Speaker 1: start us off, Kevin.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Kevin Fitzpatrick and I am the president of Red
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  Speaker 3: Marble Media, and we make a lot of shows for
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  Speaker 3: investigation Discovery at the moment, most notably Evil Lives Here,
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  Speaker 3: which is a POV interview show. It is a show
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  Speaker 3: where one person tells the story about what it's like
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  Speaker 3: to find out that they're living with a killer. And
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  Speaker 3: you know the title aside, it is not a salacious show.
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  Speaker 3: It is a very intimate show. They are personal stories
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  Speaker 3: and over the last several years, just Sinda and I
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  Speaker 3: and the team have been involved in conducting more than
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  Speaker 3: one hundred of these interviews, and I think that they're
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  Speaker 3: really moving stories. And we also did a show called
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  Speaker 3: Killer and Question, a series that Justin and I produced,
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  Speaker 3: which we're all stories about looking at whether there were
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  Speaker 3: different points of view as to whether someone was guilty
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  Speaker 3: or innocent and wondering if people got it right. That's
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  Speaker 3: sort of how we came across paths with you. Just
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  Speaker 3: Cinda convinced me that we should do the tightest story
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  Speaker 3: with undisclosed and I really enjoyed working with you on Undisclosed,
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  Speaker 3: and I thought you and just Cinda were a great team.
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  Speaker 3: And so when the opportunity came up to do another
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  Speaker 3: podcast together, I was really excited by that concept. And
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  Speaker 3: this story really caught my attention, and I was really
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  Speaker 3: excited by the story, and so I was sort of
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  Speaker 3: all in for telling this very unique story and for
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  Speaker 3: coming along to help you to tell a story together again.
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  Speaker 1: And Just Sinda tell us a bit more about your background.
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  Speaker 2: My background, I've been working in TV for longer than
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  Speaker 2: I care to mention. I started out working in crime TV,
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  Speaker 2: and then I kind of got away from it for
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  Speaker 2: a while, and I've done military dogs and history dogs,
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  Speaker 2: lifestyle docs, a couple live shows actually, and then came
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  Speaker 2: back to true crime maybe six or seven years ago.
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  Speaker 2: And I really really enjoyed true crime. I like the stories.
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  Speaker 2: I like the investigative aspect, but I also liked talking
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  Speaker 2: to everyone involved in the crime, from the detectives to
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  Speaker 2: the victims' families, to the perpetrator's family and hearing their stories.
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  Speaker 2: Really crime for crime's sake, you know. For me, I've
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  Speaker 2: always been interested in the psychology of what motivates people,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's why I find crime so interesting.
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  Speaker 3: One of the interesting things I think we can point
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  Speaker 3: out for you and I is that, you know, technically
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  Speaker 3: we're making a lot of true crime shows, but I
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  Speaker 3: think you and I have always looked at them as
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  Speaker 3: sort of stories of humanity. There are stories of people
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  Speaker 3: living through an extraordinary event, and that's very much how
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  Speaker 3: we how we approach them. I don't think there's nothing
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  Speaker 3: salacious in how we approach any of that. And we've
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  Speaker 3: always found that you learn a lot about a human
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  Speaker 3: being through sitting down and talking to them about a
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  Speaker 3: crime that they were involved in in some way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that completely.
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  Speaker 1: And Ja Sinda, you start out in kind of the
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  Speaker 1: og of true crime shows, That's right.
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  Speaker 2: I started out on working on America's Most Wanted. It
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  Speaker 2: was actually they had a syndicated daily show called Final Justice,
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  Speaker 2: and they also had an international version called Manhunter. And
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  Speaker 2: I worked on all three shows. And you know, people
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  Speaker 2: always ask like, do you remember, you know, what's the
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  Speaker 2: first case or whatever? And I do. The very first
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  Speaker 2: case I ever worked on was a kidnapping story Johnny Gosh,
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  Speaker 2: and it's stuck with me all these years and he's
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  Speaker 2: never been found, and I often think about him and
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  Speaker 2: where he is and how his mom is and so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: these stories, they become part of your psyche.
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  Speaker 1: And as for me, I am an attorney by background.
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  Speaker 1: I started off doing civil litigation here in DC and
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  Speaker 1: moved on to criminal appeals and white collar defense, and
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  Speaker 1: then kind of by accident, I ended up being a podcaster.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, when Cereal came out, I started writing
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  Speaker 1: about the announced I had case on my blog and
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  Speaker 1: through that ended up meeting two other attorneys, Colin Miller
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  Speaker 1: and Robbia Shadery, and we ended up starting our own
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  Speaker 1: podcast together about the case, and that evolved into Undisclosed
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  Speaker 1: and spent the next almost seven years podcasting about wrongful
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  Speaker 1: committionion cases around the United States. And I guess two
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  Speaker 1: years ago now to Senda three years like slightly pre pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: I met j Senda and we started talking about true
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  Speaker 1: crime and realized we had lots to talk about and
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  Speaker 1: ended up working on the same case. Like Kevin mentioned,
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  Speaker 1: they were doing a show called Killer in Question and
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  Speaker 1: covering the case of Jeff Titus from Kalamazoo, Michigan, which
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  Speaker 1: we ended up covering on in season five undisclosed, and
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, in the middle of the pandemic, Sin
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  Speaker 1: and I ended up driving around Kalamazoo together, knocking on
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  Speaker 1: doors and talking to all kinds of amazing people and
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  Speaker 1: going to the Thunderhogs, which one day, just Cinda, we
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  Speaker 1: shall return.
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  Speaker 2: We will return.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it'll be a great day.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's coming up. I feel like there
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  Speaker 2: will be some news about well, I don't don't jink it,
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  Speaker 2: but we will be back to the thunder Hog and.
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  Speaker 1: If that happens, we'll do a live show from the
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  Speaker 1: thunder Hog.
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  Speaker 2: That would be amazing.
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  Speaker 1: But while working kind of side by side on the
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Titus case, at some point I mentioned to Kevin
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  Speaker 1: and Jacinda this case from Floyd County that I'd heard
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  Speaker 1: about and always thought was worth a deeper investigation, And
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  Speaker 1: that's how the three of us ended up driving around Rome,
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  Speaker 1: Georgia together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we ended up spending a lot of time in Rome,
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  Speaker 2: which is a place you already knew quite well, right, Susan.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, my mother is from Rome. Actually I spent a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time there growing up, but I've never lived
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  Speaker 1: in Rome, although I've now come back for three different
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  Speaker 1: cases I've worked on for Undisclosed and now for Proof.
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  Speaker 2: So how you know a lot of people were asking like,
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  Speaker 2: how did we find this case, the Brian Bowling case,
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  Speaker 2: and you mentioned it. We mentioned on episode one that
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  Speaker 2: it was through Joey Watkins, which was the case you
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  Speaker 2: covered on this.
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  Speaker 1: Closed, right, Yeah, Joey was our season two case, and
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  Speaker 1: at some point several years ago now, he mentioned this case,
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  Speaker 1: the Brian Bowling case. He did not know Kin or
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  Speaker 1: Lee when they were out. Joey's a couple of years
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  Speaker 1: younger than they are, and he was convicted a few
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  Speaker 1: years later, but they spent a lot of time together
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  Speaker 1: in prison, and Joey mentioned to me that he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there was another messed up case from Rome. This guy
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  Speaker 1: I know name Lee Clark. You should talk to him.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how I first met Lee.
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  Speaker 2: I thought this case, the Brian Bowling case, was interesting
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  Speaker 2: because we have someone who's in the room when Brian
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  Speaker 2: was shot, so we have someone who has all the answers.
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  Speaker 2: So on the surface, fels like it should be a
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  Speaker 2: very street forward case, but it's very very complicated and
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  Speaker 2: there's so many layers to it. So yeah, I caught
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  Speaker 2: my attention right away.
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  Speaker 3: Just Cindy, you first told me about the story after
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  Speaker 3: Susan had had brought it to you, and I felt
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  Speaker 3: the same way. I thought it was an incredibly unique
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  Speaker 3: story because nobody knows what happened inside that room except Kane,
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  Speaker 3: and this story sort of changed the lives of so
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  Speaker 3: many people, and there's still such debate about what actually
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  Speaker 3: happened that night. Was it an accident, was it a murder,
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  Speaker 3: was it a murdered conspiracy that it just it's it's
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  Speaker 3: fascinating and there's still a lot at stake with this story.
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  Speaker 1: So while working on this case, we spent quite a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time in Rome, Georgia. It's about an hour
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  Speaker 1: and a bit north of Atlanta, but it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: off the beaten path. It's not a major highway, so
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  Speaker 1: it's a little bit secluded in a way. I know
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  Speaker 1: that even a mom other small towns in northwest Georgia,
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  Speaker 1: Rome has a reputation of being it's been kind of
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  Speaker 1: a weird place, but it's a lovely town. Like it's
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  Speaker 1: it's got a when you go there. They've done a
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  Speaker 1: great job of keeping their downtown still vibrant, still busy,
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  Speaker 1: it's a cutett. Downtown area has a major Snauzer convention annually,
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  Speaker 1: which difficult to get hotels. And we went down for
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  Speaker 1: one trip.
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  Speaker 2: Justuser Fest.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot about that, Yeah, when we were When we
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  Speaker 3: were down there, I guess the second time, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Jacinda was going to try and buy this building like
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  Speaker 3: she wanted to. There was an auction for some building
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  Speaker 3: on Main Street and it was like, I think the
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  Speaker 3: rest of us are getting on the plane tomorrow, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, you can hang around and do the auction.
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  Speaker 2: I really like Rome a lot. It is a very
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  Speaker 2: unique place. It's like no other place I've been to.
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  Speaker 2: It almost feels frozen in time, you know, like you
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  Speaker 2: were saying, Susan, are any like major highways that go
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  Speaker 2: through Rome. You only go there if you're going there
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  Speaker 2: for a reason, you live there, maybe you're going for
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  Speaker 2: Schnell's or fest. But it's not like you pull off
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  Speaker 2: to get gas as you're driving through, right. So, and
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  Speaker 2: the people everyone we've met is really really nice and welcoming.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I like.
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  Speaker 1: Rome, but no one there knows how to make a Manhattan.
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  Speaker 2: No one knows how to make a Manhattan. That that's true,
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  Speaker 2: or you know how to not lose records.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's two skills that Floyd County is totally
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  Speaker 1: devoid of. On Proof, you hear from all three of us, Kevin, Jasinda,
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  Speaker 1: and I as we're driving around Floyd County, but you
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  Speaker 1: also hear from a fourth person sometimes, and that is
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  Speaker 1: Dan Whitrock, or as he's now known, Dan the cameraman
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  Speaker 1: who joined us on several of our trips. And when
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  Speaker 1: we had you and Dan down there and our our
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  Speaker 1: Scooby Gang vehicle driving around, it was interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: to hear everyone's point of view after an interview, talk
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  Speaker 1: to someone we'd be driving the next witness, and to
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  Speaker 1: hear what they'd taken away from the last witness, often
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  Speaker 1: different ways I hadn't expected. And there were a number
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  Speaker 1: of times where I came away totally missing something that
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  Speaker 1: would later become, you know, an important piece of the
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  Speaker 1: story that someone else in the car had noticed right away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was interesting too, And those conversations were going
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  Speaker 2: to start to sprinkle in more during the podcast, so
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  Speaker 2: people can can hear those different thoughts after talking to witnesses.
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  Speaker 1: Here in real time, our confusion and are like, what
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  Speaker 1: the hell has happened?
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  Speaker 3: And on the futures I was I was on down there.
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  Speaker 3: There is a lot of talking it out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's there's a lot of comparing thoughts and insights and
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  Speaker 3: seeing if the car can come to consensus. And that
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  Speaker 3: was that was interesting because I think you had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of good storytellers in that vehicle looking for the truth.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things we'll be doing on these sidebar
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  Speaker 1: episodes is and questions from listeners.
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  Speaker 2: So, Susan, one of the very first questions we got
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  Speaker 2: after episode one was what is that growling sound we
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  Speaker 2: hear during Amanda's interview.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, in the audio from our interviews with Amanda Bowling,
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  Speaker 1: Brian's sister, you may hear at parts like the soft
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  Speaker 1: rumbling in the background are actually kind of the foreground.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a very cute kitten that was attacking
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  Speaker 1: our cameraman.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we did travel around with Dan, the cameraman
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  Speaker 2: who shot a lot of footage, and eventually we'll start
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  Speaker 2: posting video outtakes on our website and on YouTube, so
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  Speaker 2: you'll be able to actually see the people you hear
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  Speaker 2: in the podcast. So stay tuned for more information about that.
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  Speaker 2: There's also been questions about just In general the family dynamics.
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  Speaker 2: You know where Brian's parents today, because we don't hear
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  Speaker 2: from them, Lee's family, Kine's family.
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  Speaker 1: Most people in this case are still in Rome. Brian's
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  Speaker 1: parents have both passed away. Actually, Brian's father passed away
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  Speaker 1: very recently. We weren't able to talk to him or
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  Speaker 1: his mother, but his uncle, his aunt, his sister and
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  Speaker 1: her now husband, they were boyf and girlfriend at the time,
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  Speaker 1: all talk to us about the case. You'll also hear
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  Speaker 1: from Lee's father, Glynn.
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  Speaker 2: Also, eventually we'll hear a little bit from Lee's mom.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, one of the really interesting things I
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  Speaker 2: found out when we first start researching this case is
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  Speaker 2: that Lee's mom and Kane's mom actually lived together their roommates,
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  Speaker 2: which I don't know that that sort of blew my
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  Speaker 2: mind because you would think, from the way the story
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  Speaker 2: unfolds that Lee's family might hold a grudge against Caine,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't at all. So we did get another
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  Speaker 2: question from someone named Jennifer who wrote in saying it's
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  Speaker 2: odd that Brian's family say he would never play Russian Roulette,
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  Speaker 2: but at the same time he's exhibiting risky behavior like
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  Speaker 2: laying in the street where the cars can't see him.
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  Speaker 1: That is thing that stood out to me is that
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  Speaker 1: we did hear from a lot of people about risky
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  Speaker 1: behaviors that Brian was engaged in. And not just Brian.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, these were a bunch of teenage boys in
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  Speaker 1: a rural area without a great deal of supervision. They
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  Speaker 1: were doing some dumb stuff quite frankly. But yeah, Like
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  Speaker 1: one of the things you heard about that Brian was
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  Speaker 1: doing is that he'd play this game I guess you'd
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  Speaker 1: call it where he would lay on the Rockmart Highway
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  Speaker 1: which runs near his home at night. And this is
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  Speaker 1: like a you know, it's a two lane highway through
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  Speaker 1: like a valley. Big trucks come through there. There's no
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  Speaker 1: lighting at night. You can't see anything there. So I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's not even playing chicken because the other side can't
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  Speaker 1: even see that you're playing this game in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: So there is a pattern there of risky behavior. But
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, his family says that he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: careless with guns and that they don't believe he would
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  Speaker 1: have been and playing with a firearm like this.
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  Speaker 2: We did have another question. I think it came in
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  Speaker 2: after episode two and It was a question that was
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  Speaker 2: answered in episode three, but I think it's such a
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  Speaker 2: big deal that we should talk about it. So someone
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  Speaker 2: wrote in asking about the results of the gunshot residue
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  Speaker 2: test on Josh's hands.
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  Speaker 1: The one forensic test they do that night, the one
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  Speaker 1: sort of mestigat step they take the night of the
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  Speaker 1: shooting is to take Cain's lash Josh down to the
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  Speaker 1: station to talk to him, and while there they take
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  Speaker 1: swaves of his hands where they get cotton buds touched
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  Speaker 1: them to the palms of his hands, seal them up,
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  Speaker 1: send them down to the crime lab Atlanta where they're tested,
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  Speaker 1: and months later results come back and say there is
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  Speaker 1: no gunshot residue detected on those samples, which is an
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  Speaker 1: indication that Kane had not fired a gun that night.
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  Speaker 1: To his confession a couple of days after the shooting,
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  Speaker 1: where he says he did have the gun in his
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  Speaker 1: hand when it accidentally went off.
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  Speaker 3: And there's there's no way serv went's clear. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there's no way he could have just washed his hands
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  Speaker 3: and this gunpowder resident would have been removed, Is that right?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as I understand, that would have taken days
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  Speaker 3: for three The way even if he washed his hands.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we'll get more into that later on, but probably not.
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  Speaker 1: And they do say that at trial that you do
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  Speaker 1: test if the cops testify that they didn't let him
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  Speaker 1: wash his hands or they tried to make sure he
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  Speaker 1: didn't do that.
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  Speaker 3: So if they had tested Brian's hands, we would have
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of answers, but they didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if they had tested Brian's hands that night, we
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  Speaker 1: might not be here now. But Dalla's battle, the lead
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: investigators had a trial that by the time he got
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to the hospital, Brian's already in the ICU had been
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: cleaned up, and for whatever reason, he concludes there's no
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: point in doing GSR test at that time, although it's
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: not clear if he questions whether his hands had been
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: cleaned while there, or if there's any reason the test
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: couldn't be performed.
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  Speaker 2: And even so, though they don't say, oh, well, maybe
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: it really was Russian roulette, instead they like dig their
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: heels in and say, oh, that's even more proof it
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: was a gain conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, obviously, if the test is negative, Uncane, then
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: that just means he wasn't the one to do it,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: which means we now have multiple people involved in the murder.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't know. I guess the fact
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that they would not even entertain the idea at that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: point that it could have been an accident. They now
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: have this other theory that they have to figure out
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: how to prove.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: We also got a lot of listener questions about the
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: phone you heard how after the gunshot, Bryan's family came
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: into his bedroom and found him lying on the floor
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: with a cordless phone clutched in one of his hands,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and listeners wanted to know who he was talking to,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: if they were still on the other end when the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: shot was fired, and if so, what they heard. And
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: you'll be hearing a lot more about that on Monday
• 20:04
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