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  Speaker 1: Podcast check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Wrogan Experience Train by Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 3: Rogan Podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. The chef is in the building.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, what's up, what's up?
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  Speaker 1: Pleasure to meet you. Man. You are a part of
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  Speaker 1: the most iconic band in all of hip hop. There
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: is no question. There's one Wu Tang. There's only one
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  Speaker 1: Wu Tang. Nothing else is even close. You guys are
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  Speaker 1: so different than every other band that ever existed. It
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  Speaker 1: was a giant group of you, yeah man, and everybody
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  Speaker 1: was a killer fucking mob.
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  Speaker 2: Man.
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  Speaker 1: It's a crazy band. Man. It's like no one is
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  Speaker 1: if you think about it. There's been a lot of
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  Speaker 1: hip hop duos. There's been a lot of producers and MC's.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a lot of people that get together in
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  Speaker 1: like small groups. But there's only one Wu Tang. There's
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  Speaker 1: only one group of nine assassins.
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  Speaker 4: I tell niggas that all the time, like, it's kind
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  Speaker 4: of crazy. You ain't gonna get another one of these.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy that it worked because so hard to keep
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  Speaker 1: all those alphas together.
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  Speaker 4: It really is crazy to make it work. The most
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  Speaker 4: ills shit, some shit that I never would have thought
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  Speaker 4: would ever exists. It was able to exist because we
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  Speaker 4: tried it, but it wasn't It wasn't normal.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't normal. He tried it, but it was just
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  Speaker 1: it almost seems like it was just instinct, Like it's
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  Speaker 1: not like a business strategy that anybody would ever come
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  Speaker 1: up with. Nine dudes and nine of the realist dudes,
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  Speaker 1: like the rawest realist dudes, and it worked, and it worked.
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  Speaker 4: I tell people all the time, it was like when Rizzi,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he came with this whole philosophy of wanting
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  Speaker 4: to do it. It was like hitting a lotto for him,
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  Speaker 4: like he didn't know what to expect. It was more
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  Speaker 4: reputation thing.
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  Speaker 2: For us.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, yo, I want to do this, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, he came to block and he talked to
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  Speaker 4: some real dudes that was really had other shit planned
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  Speaker 4: than they like, you know, but hip hop was always
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  Speaker 4: like that backpack that we wore every day, but everybody
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  Speaker 4: had different plans.
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  Speaker 2: So he really literally came in.
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  Speaker 4: And started to pick motherfuckers that he felt had potential.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like the mob. It's like you know, you
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  Speaker 4: know Lucky Luciano Prime example. You know, he knew that
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  Speaker 4: motherfuckers had potential, right, he knew dudes have potential in
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  Speaker 4: any way. He's from a different parties, from a different parties,
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  Speaker 4: from a different part But y'o, what we could do
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  Speaker 4: right here is we can make money. So put your
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  Speaker 4: fucking feelings down or whatever the case may be, and
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  Speaker 4: let's talk about some money. Yeah, and that right there
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  Speaker 4: kind of like yo, he starts shaking hands across the table.
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  Speaker 2: Y'all know, you didn't really fuck with me like that, y'all.
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  Speaker 4: I never had anything against you like that though, but
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  Speaker 4: it just it was just something that he felt like,
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  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, let me try this shit.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Rizzar's a genius and it's amazing that he was
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  Speaker 1: able to coordinate that because that's often the case right
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  Speaker 1: with other killers, Like when when the dude's a bad motherfucker,
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  Speaker 1: they always assumed that everybody else doesn't like them. They
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  Speaker 1: always assumed that everybody else is the enemy or competition.
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  Speaker 1: So they have nine of you guys together like that
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  Speaker 1: as one group. You know, we always I told you
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  Speaker 1: when I was when I send you a message, I
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  Speaker 1: said that we play protect your neck. It's whenever we
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  Speaker 1: have a police escort that's what's the most hilarious thing.
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  Speaker 1: So we doing Rena shows, we hire a police escort,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like fucking sirens and shit, protect your neck
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  Speaker 1: and all the times, it's like the perfect song to
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  Speaker 1: play when you're when you're getting a police escort.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I know, trust me.
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  Speaker 1: These young kids that I have at the club, like
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  Speaker 1: I was explaining Wu Tang Clan to them the other night,
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  Speaker 1: I go, do you have to understand how wild this
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  Speaker 1: band was? I go, when old Dirty Bastard was in Rikers,
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  Speaker 1: They went to Rikers and performed in Rikers.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, you remember, I told everybody else, like, do you
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  Speaker 5: know how crazy that is?
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  Speaker 1: You're talking about like the biggest rap band in the
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  Speaker 1: fucking world and they're performing in a penitentiary to one
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  Speaker 1: of the members who's one of the biggest fucking hip
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  Speaker 1: hop stars in the world, who's in jail, and then
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  Speaker 1: you guys go into the crowd.
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  Speaker 4: God bless his soul. First and foremost Dirty Bastard was
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  Speaker 4: Yo Joe. Yojoe is the funniest shit because when we
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  Speaker 4: came in and when we seen him, he was eating
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  Speaker 4: the cheeseburger, laughing and shit, you know he remind you
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  Speaker 4: he never he never was, you know, dirty. I don't
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  Speaker 4: even think I never seen him eat meat like that
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  Speaker 4: or whatever the case may be. But we came in
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  Speaker 4: he was eating the cheeseburger and shit laughing, So we
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  Speaker 4: was dying laughing, and they kept, you know, the people
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  Speaker 4: up in there, they kept telling us like, yo, y'all,
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  Speaker 4: can't y'all, can't go into the to the to the
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  Speaker 4: to the crowd with everybody. You know, we're not going
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  Speaker 4: to hold no responsibility if something happened, so you know,
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  Speaker 4: be like.
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  Speaker 2: All right, no, no, no. Once we got on that stage,
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  Speaker 2: it was like fuck the stage.
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  Speaker 4: We out there touching everybody, and wow, it was love man.
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  Speaker 2: It was you to love man. It had to be
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  Speaker 2: what I say, what ninety what ninety eight? Ninety seven? Wow,
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  Speaker 2: ninety eight?
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  Speaker 1: No Internet like, yeah, none of that shit, none of
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  Speaker 1: that is there even recording that anywhere?
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  Speaker 2: Nah? God, I think so. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 1: That would a while, that video would be. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I never knew that people seen that. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how the fuck you knew that shit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh I heard about it, Yeah, I heard about it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it was in the news back then that
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  Speaker 1: you guys performed in Wrikers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, the nineties for hip hop, it was like
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  Speaker 1: people need do you have to understand for young people,
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  Speaker 1: you grew up with hip hop. You're only twenty years old.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, but you have to understand from my perspective,
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen in nineteen eighty, there was no hip hop.
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  Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety two, that was all anybody gave a
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  Speaker 1: fuck about. That is crazy for a new art form.
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  Speaker 2: It was to a marriage, right right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean there was like sugar Hill Gang. There was
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  Speaker 1: some hip hop, but it wasn't the thing until the
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  Speaker 1: nineties and nineties.
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  Speaker 2: Hip hop it got big. It got big because it
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  Speaker 2: looked so big.
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  Speaker 1: I remember.
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  Speaker 4: I remember, it's so crazy you said that because I
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  Speaker 4: tell people all the time, like disco to me was
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  Speaker 4: hip hop before hip hop was you know, disco, R
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  Speaker 4: and B.
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  Speaker 2: Everything was a mixture. It was a mixture. So really,
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  Speaker 2: when hip hop came, like you said, it came like.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe I'm gonna say eighties eighty five four.
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  Speaker 1: Because it was junior high school.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, we was young boys. So I would definitely
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  Speaker 4: say you heard something and it was like, oh shit, motherfuckers,
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  Speaker 4: this rhyming. Wow, you know this shit sound cool though,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, It sounds cool, but really
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  Speaker 4: it was a way to bring people together, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that was going through different shit in a life, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, It was earlier than that because
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  Speaker 1: in eighty four, I was in high school, So it
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  Speaker 1: had to be eighty eighty because I was in high school.
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  Speaker 1: I was a freshman in high school in eighty one.
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  Speaker 1: So I heard Sugarhill Gang when I lived in Jamaica plane,
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  Speaker 1: which was in nineteen eighty. So that was the first
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  Speaker 1: time I'd ever heard any kind of hip hop.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so like yeah, like we said, yeah, eighty yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was ten years old, so meat probably really really
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  Speaker 4: gravitating to it.
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  Speaker 2: I probably was like twelve.
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  Speaker 4: The first shit that grabbed me was like how you
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  Speaker 4: said sugar Hill Gang. You know rap is delight, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: rap is delight.
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  Speaker 2: That was the shit.
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  Speaker 4: Now, look, I had cywhere I had cousins that I
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: had wild cousins, and shit they was you know, they
• 11:05
  Speaker 4: was wild. They was selling drugs. They was you know,
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: smoking weed and sniffing coke and you know what I mean,
• 11:11
  Speaker 4: doing whatever they was doing.
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  Speaker 2: And they used to Live two. They used to live
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  Speaker 2: two floors above.
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  Speaker 4: Me, and I used to sneak up there and ship
• 11:21
  Speaker 4: and you know, just being a business, being a world.
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  Speaker 2: And they would be playing music.
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  Speaker 4: They had the record player, and you know, you see
• 11:27
  Speaker 4: coke on the table and weed and everything. And my
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: cousins they was cool. They were like, yo, come in, man,
• 11:33
  Speaker 4: they don't give a fuck, Like, just don't tell your
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: mother that you that you was around and shit, you
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  Speaker 4: know what I mean, Nah.
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  Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say nothing. Ain't gonna say nothing.
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  Speaker 4: And I would just be watching and you know, I
• 11:41
  Speaker 4: would see weed on the album covers and you know
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: what I mean, just motherfuckers running back and forth in
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: the room and you know they're in the shit. But
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: they always was playing music and a lot of the
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: music was R and B, you know, disco, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And then next thing you know, I heard this fucking record,
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  Speaker 4: Sugarhill Gang, and I'm like the groove was dope.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, holy shit, Like this is what I want
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  Speaker 2: to be, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the whole vibe. I'm like, this is
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  Speaker 4: who I am right here, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so crazy how it emerged. I mean, it emerged.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: Nobody expected that, bro well it.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: It was a totally new thing and there was a
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: lot of resistance. I mean for people that don't know
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: those little warning labels on your when you used to
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: have CDs. That all came from Al Gore's wife. Gore's wife,
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: Tipper Gore. She was a Democrat. She wanted to sensor
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: rap music because this is the first time anybody heard
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: like iced tea, you know, like that six in the morning.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, what the fuck is you know, and that
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: kind of explicit lyrics. They wanted to put a stop
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: to it, and that's why they put and these dumb
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: asses they didn't even understand. It's sold way more albums
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: because that's what they don't even.
• 12:58
  Speaker 2: Swear once it got label on. It is like I
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  Speaker 2: wanted exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Once the flood gates got opened and kids got turned
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: on to like real hardcore hip hop, you couldn't sell.
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  Speaker 2: The regular regular.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what she got through with regular ship.
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  Speaker 1: But it just didn't last.
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  Speaker 4: Nah, I definitely didn't last. But like you said, though,
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  Speaker 4: everybody wanted the raw ship. And you gotta remember at
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: that time, it was a tough time, man. Too much
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: shit was going on. I mean it was to the
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: point where it's like, yo, in our neighborhood, we asked,
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: we had like crazy people.
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  Speaker 2: Like if they catch you at night, they'll kill you.
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  Speaker 4: Like they'd be dressed up like a fucking drag or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: or this makeup on. And you know, I remember one
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  Speaker 4: time going to the incinerator room. My mom's made me go.
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: She made me go to the to the take out
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  Speaker 4: the garbage, and shit, I forgot to take it out.
• 13:50
  Speaker 4: And she came home later that day and I was
• 13:53
  Speaker 4: laying down and she fucking smacked me in the head
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: with a broom, like, YO, did not tell you to
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  Speaker 4: take out the fucking garbage. So now I'm going down
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  Speaker 4: to the incinerator room, you know, walking it's on the
• 14:02
  Speaker 4: same floor. And I remember when I cut the corner,
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  Speaker 4: I seen a motherfucker's sticking his head out and he
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: had his hair all wildless, shit was like green and
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: red and all this, and he had lipstick going all
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  Speaker 4: crazy and his eyes was all fucking bugged out looking
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: and he looked at me and when and I got
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: the garbage pail with me, and it's like, yo, once
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  Speaker 4: I seen him, I just I just.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: Dropped the shit and ran ma Ma.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: Back then, you know, you yell your mother name and shit,
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: you think that that that was something cool back then?
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  Speaker 2: You know, she's your hero At that time came back,
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  Speaker 2: the nigga was gone.
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  Speaker 4: But I think if he would have caught me in
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: that incinerated door when it was closed, he was gonna
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: probably try to run in there and probably try to
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: fucking kill me or something. And that shit was going
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: on back then because the drugs. The drugs was crazy
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: back then.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: That's the big shift is crack.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but see but see before crack, you had
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: that dope, that dope, that dope. So motherfuckers is mixing
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: dope and coke together and getting high and shooting it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah everything.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, it was.
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: It was a serious time back then, man. But you
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: know that's how far to me music went back, you know,
• 15:13
  Speaker 4: listening to the Ladies' Night, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I had I had people in my store. They had
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: a candy store right on the same floor, but it
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: wasn't a candy store. Ain't had a bunch of penny
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: candy just to make kids feel cool. But really they
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: were selling coc in it back, coke and dope though,
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: so you know, all this was going on in the community.
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  Speaker 2: Man, it was a serious time. It's scary times back then.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: But if it's not for those scary times, you don't
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: get the kind of band that Wu Tang was. Like
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  Speaker 1: that that has to emerge from an authentic experience, as
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: it has to, and that's part of the appeal of
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: it is that everybody kind of knew that, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: it was part of the appeal it was there's never
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: been like a genre of music like that that's so
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: connected to like the grind and poverty and crime and ghettos,
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: like the whole genre of me to be authentic, you
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: had to come from that. You couldn't experience like some
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: rich kid from the suburbs that was talking about some
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: shit you never actually wants to hear it, which is
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: kind of crazy.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, back then, you know, hip hop
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: was really an expression for the ghetto, you know, the
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: way that out, you know, being that we was living
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: in fucked up situations and nobody has shit, nobody had
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: no fucking jobs like that. It was like, Yo, we
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: needed something to keep us cool, keep us in the
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: vibe mode. You know, back then, gangs was still relevant.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: You know, we never looked at ourselves as a gang.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: We might have looked at ourselves as a tribe. That Yo,
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: when you're from a neighborhood and you stick to your neighborhood,
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And that's why even back then,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: it was like a lot of times, you know, you
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: would beef with people that wasn't from your neighbors just
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: because you wasn't from here.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, yo, what the fuck you doing over it?
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: You don't live over here? You know.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Then it creates this animosity thing. And I remember for us,
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: you know, being being in the area where it was
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: like you go up the block, up the block, stayed
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: up the block, down the block, stayed down the block.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: So for me, I was in the middle, so you know,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: I lean more towards up the block, you know. But
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: then we would go down the block just to start trouble,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: and you know, then they would come up the block
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: and they would start troubling. Next thing, you know, before
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: you knowing, we all fucking with each other, you know
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: what I mean. So that was our way of getting
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: to know each other, is to test each other's heart
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: and whatever may happen was happening back then though. But
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: the music, believe it or not, the music was keeping
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: a piece now just to you know, the music was
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: keeping a piece because they would do block parties, right,
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: they would do block parties, and you know, everybody knew
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: all these different things. Jay's was coming from different places
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: and going and gonna going to play some music and ship,
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: so we knew every time they did that, we knew
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: something was gonna happen at the end of the night.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: It was just mandatory. It was just because people from
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: all over different different neighborhoods would come out and everything
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: would be nice, and next thing you know, you see
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: a motherfucker riding down the street all crazy, you know,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: you know, trying to hit motherfuckers and swinging the golf
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: club out the fucking out the window and ship and
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: you know somebody mother might have gotten knocked out, you
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, you know, but the music is
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: still playing, you know. So yeah, that's the type of
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: ship that to me, that made it fun, but made
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: it spooky, but it still was fun because it was
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: something to remember.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: It was like.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, yeah.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: You know, but we were young, so we didn't we
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: didn't care about we didn't care about whether we live
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: or die at that time, and give a fuck. It
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: was like whatever's gonna happen is gonna happen. But the music,
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: the music is what kept things in order for us,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: you know, because we always felt like that was a
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: vessel to being calm. You know, when you come from
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: somewhere that's fucked up, Joe, and it's nothing there. You
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: can't get a job because of your community, your zip
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: code don't allow you to be like, yo, he's hired. No,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: it's just too infested over there. So you kind of
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: you kind of become relaxed with that mentality of saying, well,
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: fuck it, I'm gonna live off the land, I'm gonna
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: sell weed, I'm gonna do whatever I think that it's
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: gonna make me survive, you know, so everything is just survival,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: you know, when music always kept us calm and you
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: always want to listen to what's the next being played,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Like I grew up on R and B music, like disco,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: when you know all that all that fun ship roller skating,
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: you know, I know, motherfuckers in the neighborhood that was
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: roller skating you know, we would get off of Staaten
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: Island sometimes and go to these different parks and gams
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: in the city. That was fun too though, That was
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: that was fun times for us.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: When was it?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: So was it Rizza that tried? Did did? There? Was it? Initially?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: All nine guys? Like how did it get formed?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Hmm?
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Well, number one it was Rizza, his cousin Jizzer and
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: his other cousin, Old Dirty Bastard that they were super close. Now,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Old Dirty Bastard and Jizzer they were from Brooklyn. Rizza
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: from stantn Allen. You know, we all we all Brooklyn
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: babies too. Majority of us and the Klan we all,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: you know, resided in New in staten Allend, but majority
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: of us grew up in Brooklyn.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: But anyway, it was though those three that were close
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: at shit.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: So Rizza back then, Rizza he acknowledged yourself, which was
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: you know, being involved with the Nation of Islam. And
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: also Jizz and Old Dirty they were a part of
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: the nation at that time. So they would go to
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of rallies. This is a place where everybody
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: go when they build. They talking about mathematics and all
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of this. But it was jizzin Old Dirty who instilled
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: the hip hop into Rizza. So Rizza was a DJ
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: back then, but he knew how to rhyme too, and
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: he knew how to rhyme because of his cousins. So
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: they kind of had this gang called not a gang,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: but they had this thing called the All and Together
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Now Crew, which was them three and they would run
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: around and they would battle, you know, different guys from
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: different cities and move around. So you know, something was
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: kind of knew what they were about. You know, a
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: lot of us, you know, found out later who they were.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: But when Jizzen and Old Dirty came to statn Al
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: and they came in the hang out with their cousin,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: so you know, we started to see them a little
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: bit more and know that you know yo or heard
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: about your rhyms and you know, and Dirty he was
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: just a crazy motherfucker.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: But then he was crazy. But yeah, they had their
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: own little.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Thing going on. And then you know, next thing, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Jizz caught a record deal. He caught a record deal,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: which was rare back then, Like if you had to
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: if you fucking caught a record deal, that mean that
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: you had to have relationships. You had to know where
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: to go, you had to have some type of connects.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: So that's what gravitated Rizza into wanting to do it
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: because he's seen that his cousin had was able to,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: you know, crack the code on making a record. So
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: when that happened, it was almost like magnetized Rizza to
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: be like, yo, I gotta make a record now too,
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: you know. And the next thing you know that they
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: had their movement going on. So us from the outside
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: looking it was like, oh shit, yo, we know them.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: We know they super passionate about you know, being in
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: a game and doing whatever they going to do.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: But we wasn't thinking that fall. We just loved the
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: music in general.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Wow. So and then so Rizza was essentially the mastermind
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to put all the pieces together and to bring all
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you killers into one under one roof. Absolutely absolutely amazing
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: how he saw that, because again, that's not something that existed. Yeah,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: it's like Eric being rock Kim. You know, there was
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: you know, there was a few EPMD, there's a few
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: people you know your shit, Yeah, you know gang Star,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: there's a few people that were together. But it wasn't
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: like you guys nah nah, because it was kind of scary.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: It was good. Damn when you guys had a show.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I mean I heard stores that it was just like
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you guys would show up like three hundred people.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah that was you know, that was some neighborhood shit.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: But yeah, like you said, that was so rare to
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: see a group that come out like that, And it
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: was really a mistake.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: It wasn't really designed to be that way.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: But when we had a record situation and they tried
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: to make him be something that he wasn't, and then
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: you know, you know what I mean, he was like, Yo,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: fuck that, I don't even care about the ship at
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: this level no more. I want to create this now
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: and I'm bringing in all my guys and you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: he just he just put that number together. So believe
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: it or not, I was one of the guys that
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: he called first because we used to hang out.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Like like I tell people all.
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: The time, like, yo, I might have been Rizzi's first
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: you know, big fan, So I kind of seen something.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Then I'm already I've seen something. I'm like, Yo, this guy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Really you know him and his cousins, and I'm like, Yo,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: these motherfuckers really got talent, you know, not only the
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: ability to rhyme, but they was clever, like took about
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: clever ryme, you know, and he was mixing it with
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: the knowledge and you know, smart rhymes, not not these
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: fucking regular humpty dumpty lines. Like I'm talking about serious rhymes.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, damn, you know what I mean.
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Like, so, you know, this is something that I felt
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: like I would want to go chill with them, just
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: to be in the mix and be a fly on
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: the wall. Wasn't even thinking about being no fucking raper.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I ain't give a fuck. I just love the music.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: But I'm watching these motherfuckers. Yo, I'm like something about
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: these motherfuckers.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: That I love. You know. When next thing, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: when Rizza, you know, Rizza went.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Out there and he came back to the community, he
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: was like, yo, I caught a record deal.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: So you know, I was there. I'm like, we see
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: this shit, looking at this shit? What the fuck is?
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm looking down here, like you said, the
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: the what's the named the fine print?
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the fine prant And like, yo, this motherfucking me
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: and wrecked. Oh shit, yo, bow stat aland that's what's up.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: We up, you know.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: But his situation ain't work out the way he wanted
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: it to, and that's when he came back and he
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: started to be like, yo, chef, this is what I'm
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: trying to do well.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: The dangerous thing for young artists in every industry is
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: when you have potential and you're young, you sign a
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: fucking contract and you don't know what's going on, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: then you get locked into these people and then a
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: lot of times you're getting fucked and you don't even.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Know that it's mandatory.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: You're getting fucked, which is how they make their money.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: They make money by fucking young artists who don't know
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: any better. And by the time someone gets to like
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: a prince's level, he's like, oh you owe me. I'm
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I'm a fucking squeekly line, suck my dick, and he
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: performs as a symbol. I mean, that's why he performed
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: as a symbol, because they owned him. It's crazy. You
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: take like the most talented people in the world and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: they get owned by people who provide no value. Especially
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: today today, it's even crazier right because there is no
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: record sales anymore. It's all gone. It's all gone. So
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: for a young artist, it's so important that they stay
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: independent as long as they can. Just like you're hanging
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: off a bridge, hang on, hang on and keep grinding.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Don't sell it, don't sign. If you sign, you're gonna
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: be fighting that shit ten years from now. You're gonna
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: be in court ten years from now. Yeah, you're right,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and somebody's gonna be getting not just fifty percent, but
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: like some fucking insane like Bill Burr was explaining this
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: about his first comedy CD that he got a sixty
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: forty deal. He's like, oh, great, sixty forty, but it's
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: not really sixty forty because he has to pay for.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: All the distribution.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the all the printing of the CDs, everything
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: came out of his money.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: I ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Put yourself in an artist situation. Right, you have talent, Right,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: you have talent. Here it is, I got, I got
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: everything you want. Yeah, you're gonna have to make some
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: sacrifices for sure, because you know that. Yeah you may
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: you may feel like, y'a, I got talent, but I
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: don't have the resources. Right, So those resources come and
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: tell you, yo, love, I'll give you a shot. I'm
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: gonna give you a shot. But either you take this
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: shot or you stay in the hood. What are you
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: gonna do.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You're gonna take the shot, the shot. You gotta take
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: the shot. And I agree with everybody takes that shot.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: I'm just letting them know, right, I'm just letting you're
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: getting fucked.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: You're getting fucked.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: But see, it's the sacrifice that I'm trying to explain
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: to you that every every artist takes. They takes that
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: sacrifice because at the end of the day, you have
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: to start from somewhere. So even when labels are being them,
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: in my mind, I'm saying, yo, I get.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: A chance to have a job. Joe Niggas ain't never
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: had no fucking job in ain't life.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: And now we get a chance to do something that
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: they could maybe think that you could change the world
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: with and love. It's like you're gonna go for it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: So for us back then, being kids, we didn't give
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: a fuck. We didn't care about signing, y'all. I signed
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: because what the fuck I gotta lose. I don't been
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: through everything. I didn't I didn't been over here, I
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: didn't been kicked out everywhere. Fuck it, I just want
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: to be heard. So a lot of time that be.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: The protocol is just to be heard, to be heard,
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: to be able to say, yo, something happened. I don't
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: give a fuck. A lot of artists got robbed, a
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: lot a lot of artists, and especially our our OG's
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: that did it before us, like you know what I mean,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: Sugarhill gangs, all these different guys, they all have been
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: manipulated to do what they had to do. But it
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: almost gave them power too, because they became famous, they
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: became big, they became.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: There's an argument for that, but I think it should
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: be more fair.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Oh listen, you are, but we just talking about this.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: What you have to sacrifices every if.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: You're a young kid, and that's step one, and now
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: you're on the runway, Okay, you gotta take it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: You gotta take it.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: But it just should be more fair, and it shouldn't be.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: And I'm sure later on things worked out and you
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: know now that you proved yourself.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Once they become underniging, it's like I.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Tell the motherfucker this, I'm like, yo, Imagine you were
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: a hustler, right and you run into the connect and
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: the connects say, yo, you're talking like you know how
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: to move shit. I'm gonna give you fifty pounds of
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: marijuana back then, you know what I mean.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Now you may feel like at the end of the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: day you can handle it, but the.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Motherfucker tell you, Joe, I'm giving you these fucking fifty pounds,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: but I need my money back today at this time.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: You could either take the fifty because you're so fucking.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Confident, or take one and say, y'all, I'd rather take
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: my time, you know what I mean.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be in debt with you. What
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: are you gonna do?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: You gotta take the fifty you go, oh you, Oh yeah,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: he's gonna take people.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: He wants to fucking get his head fucking job, though.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: You gotta take the You gotta know people. Yeah, you
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: gotta bring everybody in and you gotta share the money.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: You gotta know people to share the money. You gotta
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: know people.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: If you ain't competent and knowing what the fuck you
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: need to know, I advise you don't take.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't be having that conversation if you don't know anybody.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: But if you know some people and you're generous, that's
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: the thing. You gotta make it worth these people's while
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you got to bring. You gotta say, listen, we're all
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: going to get something out of this.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: And see now, look that philosophy that you said, that's
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: what we took on.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, we took that on.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: He said, you know what, at the end of the day,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: we'll take this little bit of money, but we're gonna
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: go We're gonna be willing to sell ourselves to get
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: to this level because we know what we believe it. See,
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: it all starts from what you believe. Yes, if you
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: don't have the belief in yourself, then make it happen.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: You fucked.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: It's it's a rising tides lifts all boats thing too.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And with w tank plan, that was for sure a
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: big thing because anybody that was associated with Wu Tang
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: clan was automatically respected automatically, people wanted to listen automatically automatically,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: so like that that just lifts everybody. That lifts every
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: But it's hard for people to see that. Everybody thinks
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: about themselves, especially when you're struggling. When you're struggling, then
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: were scared and you're you know scared. Money doesn't make
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: money money, that's what it is. Everybody gets paranoid and
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: they think, no, you got that's when you got bond together.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: That's when everybody you have to find real people and
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: stick together.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Said that, you said the key word.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: We gotta sell that fifty. Yeah, talk to Carlos, go
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: down to the bodegger. Let's make a deal, man. We got
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: to make some deals. I guess.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: I guess is that. Yeah, he danced with the devil
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: for the right reason. And you know, we took we
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: took some scars, we we got hit.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: It was a different world back then too, in terms
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: of the industry, because today all you need is a
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: social media account, Spotify, SoundCloud. You can blow up. You
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: can blow up today. Back then, you needed the radio.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: You needed you know, you could sell mixtapes. But it's hard.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: You had to be some undeniable talent. Yeah, you know,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: like I we always played the video of Biggie when
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: he was seventeen on the street. Remember that video when.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: He was in his neighborhood.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's undeniable talent. Like that's the kind of talent
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: like that dude's gonna if he stayed alive. You can't
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: stop that train. Train is running everything over you know
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: what I mean it's like there was there was guys
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like that back then. But man, to get out there
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and get your name out there, you had you had
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to dance. You dance with that devil.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You had to work mm hmm.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: And that business was so dirty back then. It still is,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: but real dirty back then in the record selling days.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, but that's what made us learn is that
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: we had to grow through the We had to go
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: through those growing pains. We had to get jerked to
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: learn how to say yo. That was a lesson. Yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: everything is a lesson at the end of the day.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: It's like, if you're willing to sacrifice yourself and your
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: time to learn something I was, I would always say,
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: go for it.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, go for it. Definitely, go for it.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: It's so much better than not going for it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because then you're gonna be you're gonna be sitting
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: in the same situation and you're gonna realize at the
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: end of the day, damn, I should have took that opportunity.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: Some people are scared of opportunities when they come and
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: it's like if a person offer your opportunity nine times
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: out of ten, it may not work for you the
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: way you want it to work, but it may be
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: opportunity to help you. You know, it's all about you
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: trying to help yourself and get out there. It's like
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: watching Scarface and a nigga told them, he said, YO,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: give you five grand better and if you fuck this up,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Chico Scarfs looked at him and said, man, the fuck
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: is you're talking about?
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: We built for this shit.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Man, you know when he lost he lost his man
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: in the mix, but he was able to prove to
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: himself that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I could do it. Yeah, that's how I look at rap.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: It's like, Yo, I don't give a fuck.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll take this, we'll take this little bit of money,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: but we're gonna prove to y'all later on that we
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: know what the fuck we doing.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And for young people, listen to this. Every chance you take,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: where you fail, that's a lesson learned. And you just
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: keep taking chances, keep going, pick yourself back up, figure
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: out where you fucked up, and learn from that. Now
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: you're better. Now you have more experience coming into this
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: next thing. Just keep going, just keep going, just keep going.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Especially as artists. It's just like so many artists, they
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: don't hit until they do, and then when they do,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it's like oh, and then people want to go back
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: in their past stuff like oh, this guy had fucking
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: three albums before this.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Think about it. Think about all our favorite artists out there.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: You know Eminem, you know Eminem been trying to fucking
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: get on, you know, you know, rock Him, Slick Rig,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: they went through. They went through a lot to get on,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Biz Monkey. You know, nobody
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: wanted to fuck with Biz at first, but you know,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: he finally figured the code out and was like, Yo,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: this is what I'm gonna do. You know, you start
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: rocking shows and different communities and next thing you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: people start hearing about them and like, oh ship, yo,
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: this guy is dope. But it's that sacrifice, man. I
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: tell people all the time.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: It's time, put in time, put in energy, effort, determination,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: and you gotta have some talent. Talent. It's just God
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: just give you something or doesn't. You know. Some people
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: just got it, you know, and some people it's also
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: like artistic families like nas. You know, he grew up
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: in this like intellectual artistic family and that's why his
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: rhymes are so good.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Pops Man, Pops is a musician.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good rewind That's like one of the greatest songs
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: of any genre anybody's ever written. It's a genius song.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: So crazy. I was listening to that ship yesterday.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, genius song, the whole song backwards lyrics and it's amazing.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I loves especially for lyrics. His lyrics are incredible. They
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: were so good. So they were so good and and
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: unusual like that, like said, just siding. I mean, the
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: first guy to make a rap backwards and make it
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: work perfectly, you know, I mean, it's just Hey, did
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you ever listen to any of the ship where the
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Brand New Heavies got together with a bunch of.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Rappers Brandies, I know the name, but Brand.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: New Heavies like a jazz band. It did a collaboration
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: with Gang Star, Cool g rap a bunch of guys
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: some of my favorite ship of all time.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They was more musical though, like, yeah, more musical.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever heard cool Gie Raps Death Threat?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Jamie play that play that find that well,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: We've gotta put other headphones for this. This is in
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: my along with a bunch of bo tag This is
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: this is in my Spotify playlist. This is cool g rapping,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: like I want to say, ninety two, Yeah, listen to this.
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: Something that I'm anna flake, But I'm no fake nigga
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: because biggam in with your brother with the back. It's
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: so simple, put simple. Gotta give my nigga from the slip,
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: even up on a fat float.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: But I've never heard that ship before.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Good is this? Who to you on the West?
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: Cout mothering Jack? You mother lost a big ass.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Like one of my favorites right there, turning the chicks
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: with small.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Dicks who get the mother fucking depress?
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Nice? So good, nice? So So this was on the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Brand New Heavies au.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, Brand New Heavies did one with Gang Star. They
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: did a bunch of different artists. Nice And what year
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: was this ninety two?
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Phenomenal beginning?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was on a road trip. I was
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: doing a gig in Connecticut with a buddy of mine
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: who's a comedian, and uh, he turned me on this
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: like you gotta listen to this ship, and I was like,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: oh my god. And then I had a CD and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I lost it and I couldn't find it for ever,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and then someone brought it up like a few years back,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: like six or seven years back, and I was like,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: it's got it. You gotta be able to find it.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: And that's the beautiful thing about today with like YouTube
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and you know some of these platforms people upload ship
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that you totally forgot about, like him dog, you forgot
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: about like Fuck Compton remember that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was a wild cat, but he was
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: good though. He was Yeah he wait ship man, Yeah
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: he was wilding back then.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: But coogie wrapped that to me was like that defined
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: like road gigs for me in the nineteen nineties when
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: we were drive That was when cock blocking came out.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Remember that. Oh my god, that's all.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah man, damn So you you really you really pay
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: attention to this ship.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Hip hop was a big part of my my
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: childhood or my my young adulthood. You know when I
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: was driving around a lot doing comedy gigs like a
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: lot of ghetto boys, A huge Ghetto Boys fan, me too.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: You know, I was playing the other day in the
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: green room. I was playing fucking War for these young kids.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I was like, listen, this is a song from the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighties about the Iraq War. This is about George
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Bush in like the nineteen late nineteen eighties and it
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: applies today. You remember fucking war War Nah, you come up,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: the head phones are coming back. Let's go to school
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: with me on shit. Like I talked to Willie D.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Willy D told me you wrote the song in forty minutes. Wow, yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just angry wrote the song in forty minutes. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: this is ghetto boys in their prime. You know that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: album Bushwick Bill, that was my guy right there, man,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: this is Bushwick motherfucking Bill that you've been drafted in
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the United States military in the United States was ninety one.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I hate what's up. Look at that big phone he's got.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have one of those before too. I
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: don't give a fuck about you and all that bullshit.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: You stressing FUCKINGWAF.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Something like this, mother fucker WAF.
• 41:16
  Speaker 7: That's how I feel sending the nigga just then it
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: to get killed because two suckers can't agree on something.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: A thousand mother pucker dies, but nothing. You can't play
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: me to join and Nord you can already other motherfucking
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: military bred of got that face to that bitch America being.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: So Jordan law to the front line, going to conscating
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the head.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: I ain't getting my legs shot off.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I put your lights on TV playing golf.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I'm to get crazy, but they fight me.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I ain't no stoddamn well against the mothers. Don't know
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: your bush.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I hate you that this ship right, this ship to
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: meting knives and only one on breaking Nights ship.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: What the do I know?
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: He was in an n w A chamber.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: He was an n w A.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: P thinking that applies today.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: We were all talking about what's going on right now
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: with Guyza and Palestine Ran.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: I was like, listen to this and see, this is
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: why we love hip hop so much is because it
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: was educational too.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: It was giving us jewels.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: It was talking about things that were going on in
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: the world, and that became the television for us.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: The music, the music, the Kevin.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Zeus too, like you want to know what was actually
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: going on, like war tells you what's really what was
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So when I think about those Compton boys, those
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: NWA cats and all of that that was expressing themselves,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: it was like that's what we all were facing and
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: living amongst. And you know, like I said, I never
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: heard that song before, so I could tell that was
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: made around the time when nw A was doing a thing,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: and you know, you're hearing about all these riots and
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: shit going on and things happening, you know, us living
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: all the way on the other side of the world.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: It's like, yo, we not yo, what the fuck was that?
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: But you heard it in the song and you knew
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: it was real.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: You respected it, And to me, those perspectives and music
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: were important for us because we were learning as we
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: were getting older about society. You know, you don't think
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: about society when you pour and and living in and
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: fucked up positions.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: You just think about survival.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: You see.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I'm saying survival is the only thing on your mind
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: and you you're.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Dealing with things that's in front of you that at
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're like, damn, the fuck
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: was that? That just happened on what was this ship?
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: But then when you heard it and rapping and motherfucker's
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: like these was talking about it and all that, it's
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: like now you was like, oh, okay, I see what
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: the fuck is going on. It's not just here, It's
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: it's all over. It's in every everywhere, every ghetto or
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: whatever the case may be.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: That's what was happening.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: So I never heard that before though, You just you
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: just put me on some real ship. And that's one
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: of my favorite groups right there. Get ghetto Ghetto Boys,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: real shit right there.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: The nineteen nineties, ghetto boy era, crazy and that. Like
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I remember the day I found out about n w A.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I was teaching Taekwon Do in Revere, Massachusetts, and I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: was at the gym, riding on the stair climber, and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I just picked up this cassette and I was like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: n w A, I keep hearing about this and I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Fuck the Police was the first song I listened to.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: And I remember I was on the StairClimber going, this
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: is sae.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. You're you're hearing people talk
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: about the police like they're getting harassed by the police
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: in a way you never heard them exactly, the police
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: coming straight from the underground. It was like, I was like,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: why I'm straight from It was a totally different kind
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: of music. It was it was like they were rapping
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and no one was listening. It was like they were
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: rapping for themselves, right, like they didn't give a fuck
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: who was listening. They were rapping like they were doing
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it for their friends, but they were doing to the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: whole world, and the whole world was like, whoa, one
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: hundred miles and running the whole world was like whoa,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: this is crazy.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: So look, you had them, you had Public Enemy, All
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: of them type of guys were giving us information that
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: was relatable in our community. That the Kars and the teacher,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: you know, all that ship right there was knowledgeable, knowledgeable,
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: rap hip hop. I ain't gonna call it fucking rap hip.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Hop information information right there, Like especially krus One and
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Public Enemy. They were they were saying something. It was
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: like very but it wasn't contrived exactly.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like you know, you.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: See people say ship today like you're just doing that
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: for collaps Like they were saying ship to let people
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: know about some information that you're not aware of, and
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: this is why you're getting fucked. This is why we're
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: all getting fucked.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, come on, even when fucking Spike Lee made yes
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: one of my favorite that's a classic right.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: There, classic class, classic ship. Classic.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: But like you said, we was getting information and you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: you gotta remember, you know, at the end of the day,
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: you know a lot of people that out of you
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: know the hood and just being like, I know you
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: you come from the hood.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I was born in Noyark.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's born Yeah, shout out to Nork. So you
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you've seen it.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't said come from the hood because I went
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: to high school in the Sewers.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you yeah, true, I lived in New York.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Was telling you I lived in Newark when I was
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: twenty three for about six or seven months, And I
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: told you my next door neighbor he was selling dope
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and the police raided his house while I was there.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: They battering, rammed his door whatever. He had a nice Audi, right.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I looked like, this dude has a nice car, right,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: selling dope. He was selling dope and they got him.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: But he was around it though, So yeah, would you know, Well,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: that was also the time that I was the most
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: into hip hop too, and that was nineteen ninety one.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: I guess ninety ninety one that was a wild era
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: because that's when hip hop was just exploding. Yeah, yeah, exploding.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say definitely ninety one. You had Naughty
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: by Nature you Oh, yeah, they had emerged on the scene,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: like you said, rock Him and Big Daddy Kane. Oh, yeah,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: easy ease and ice cubes.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: I go to work. It's one of my favorite workout songs.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Big Daddy King, I go to work. Oh my god,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I gotta work. Oh. He was so smooth and so
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: fast too. You know, Big Daddy Kane had like a
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: very particular style. It was energetic. You know, you heard
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: his style like got you. You're like your blood started pumping,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you started getting moving.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: And see, those are the type of guys that paid
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: the way for us to be so you know, outspoken
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: on a mic. You know when I when I sit here,
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: when I think about the Queen, you know, the woo
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: on how we you know form we formed, vote on.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Each one of us had a super power that related
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: back to those guys. You know, all these guys that
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: we're talking about today. They was the They was the
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: light bulb in the in the in the in the house.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Screw that shit on you.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: This is what I see right now.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: I see Slick Rick, I see Rock Camp, I see Qbe,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: I see fucking you know, all these guys that paid
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: the way for us. So the Klan at that time,
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: we were so you know, inclined on knowing about all
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: these guys knowing majority of them, we kept a piece
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: of them in us. That helped us become who we are.
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: Like I tell motherfuckers all the time. I said, Yo,
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: let me tell you something. When we came out, Naughty
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: by Nature was the ship they was. They was fucking
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: ship up on the East coast side of things, you know.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: And at that time you had them, You had E.
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: P and D, you had Queen Latifa, Roxy and Chante,
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: all of these you know artists back then were blowing
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: up ll camfront.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: On ll l Oh. Yeah, guy l was huge.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Cugi Rap one of my favorites. I know, that's one
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: of your favorite. It's you know, the fat boys.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: All these guys were just right fat boys. You know.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: These guys was giving us so much food for thought
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: that we knew that if we didn't come on that level,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: we wasn't built.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: To be in a game.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: At that time.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there was so much high quality.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: The quality, that's the word.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: The level was very high. There was the lyrics were
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: so good, Like you would hear lyrics and just go
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: oh ship. Yeah, that was the thing. That was the thing.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Lyrics everything, you know, It's like that was the style
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: back then. It was like the most clever guy, the
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: most clever lyrics. It was. It was so important. You know,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: there's so many guys that just had everybody was battling for.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: So it was like more and more cleverness, and more
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: and more intricacies and more and more twists what they
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: were saying. Yeah, it was just a vibrant art form. Man,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Like how many people cheated on their significant other because
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: of opp how many you know, you know, cheering. It
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: was like a license to fuck people were cheering. I
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: mean it had so the hip hop had so much
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: influence on the culture, and it emerged out of nowhere.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: That's what's so crazy, Like ten years ago doesn't exist boom.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I mean even rock and roll. I mean rock and roll,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: you had the fifties, it starts to emerge and the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: sixties really takes off, and you know, it had been
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: around for a while to have something like hip hop
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: just explode and make a lot of other things look lame,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: you know, especially for young kids, because when you hear
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: guys like you and you know, ghost Face and you
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: know method Man, and like you're dealing with real dudes
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: who were talking about real.
• 51:48
  Speaker 8: Shit, and everybody else just look kind of lame, you know,
• 51:54
  Speaker 8: you know, it's like, you know, it was like they
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: didn't even swear, you know, like you guys were wild.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It was fun and it was clever. And I think
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Rizza did a genius thing by naming it Wu Tang
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: clan because it connected it to like this kung fu mindset.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: And I know that you big, you know you're big
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: on kung fu ship because yeah, I'm coming through your
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: shrine and ship. He got all kind of fucking showgun warriors.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: But nah, but you know it's so crazy. I tell people,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: is like when Rizzard when they was on their Wu
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Tang ship, we wasn't on that. I grew up watching
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: more like scar Facing mafia movies Once upon a Time
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: in America.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one of my favorite.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Great one people forget about Once by the Time in America.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: My fucking right there, that's smart, that's my movie. So
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: we were like we were living in this we were
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: living around a lot of hustlers, a lot of a
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: lot of drugs was being sold in my community at
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: that time, right, So when Rizzad came with the whole
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Wu Tang philosophy, it was almost.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, we love karate flicks. We were watching them.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: You know about the karate flicks, three o'clock, three o'clock,
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: We come over.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: School, them shits is on Channel five, all of that shit.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: But if you notice and you look at those karate movies,
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: it was about a place that, you know, was filled
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: with a lot of crime and aggressive people that were
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: doing things that bothered other people, and you either had
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: to protect your people or you had to make a
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: name for yourself. Now, when you think about Wu Tang,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna just give you a quick lesson on what
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: wol Tang was. Wu Tang was a school that was
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: in Chain. This particular school, these niggas was crazy.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: They was fucked up. They got kicked the fuck out
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: of Shallen.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Really, they got kicked out, yo, y'all, bugged out, y'all,
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: wiling y'all.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: But these guys were very good, but they.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Just couldn't say that, Hyenn, because they had a different
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: way of looking at shit and doing shit. So when
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: Rizzick came with the whole philosophy of it, it's this
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: movie that's called Shallen versus Wu Tang.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Right, check it out whenever you get a chance.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: So whatever was going on in that movie, he made
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: a reality of it, because really, at the end of
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: the day, that's how we were living back in statn Allen,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: you know. So we wound up changing the name and
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: calling it Shaen because we would have forgotten Virol. Do
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: you know when you think about Brooklyn Bronx, Queens Manhattan,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I don't really talk too much about fucking stant.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Now and that bothered us, so we didn't. We felt rebellious, like, Yo,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: you come out here, you ain't from here. You better
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: know somebody.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: You're not fucking coming into projects thinking you're gonna fucking
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: act like you're going over to your friends.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: I remember we used to see UFOs come through. We
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: call them UFOs unidentified flying objects. The fuck he doing it? Yo?
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Follow him?
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Yo?
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Yo, we ca you know what I mean, because we
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: had so much to prove. But it was the same
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: thing that was going on in the karate flicks, like, Yo,
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: you go to a new neighbor, who is this guy?
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: EDI's coming to play you? He's coming to play you
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: or or you gonna play him. This is all the
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: shit that's going on in the karate movies.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: You know the brotherhood? Yo, Oh shit, my brother got hurt.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: What happened. Oh hold up, let's go. We gotta go
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: get back to that. We gotta go figure that out.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: All this shit that Rizzard was thinking about at that
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: time was a reality check for us and that now,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: and so even when he came with the name, it
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: was almost like, yo, wow, that shit is interesting, you know,
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: w y you know. And back then he was hanging
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: in Ghosts Community, which was Stapleton. So Stapleton was a
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: place that was maybe like ten fifteen miles away from
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Paul Hill, where I'm from.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I'm from the hell I'm from.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Up there, they were selling drugs and getting crazy with
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: it in Jamaicans and West Indians and nineties, and you.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Know, it was a mountain pot.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: You know, it's a mountain pot of different nationalities and motherfuckers.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: You had the Spanish motherfuckers over here selling dope, you
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. You had the white boys over
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: here fucking doing what they doing. You know, all these
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: things was going on. But in Stapleton it was nothing
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: but criminals and motherfuckers that wanna fight and and and
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: rob and steal and you know.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: And.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Rizza was hanging out there a lot, you know.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: So they came up with this whole you know, wu
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: tang mentality thing that they brought up the block to us.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: So when Rizza came with it was like, oh shit,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: we like that. That's kind of dope.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: But you know, we see the vision of that, you know,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: but it wa It was never for us to look
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: at it at any given time like, yo, you trying
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: to portray us as some fucking ninjas or some shit.
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: You know a lot of times people thought, Yo, your
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: niggas no karaate.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm sh know, no.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Fucking karate, motherfucker.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: We don't do that.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: But we grew up our own our older brothers and sisters,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: they grew up on that.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: That was some early seventies shit right there. So you know,
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: back then you might have had a cousin that was
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: a martial art. He knew the arts and shit. You know,
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: you looked up to him like, Yo, this motherfucker's ll right.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: You know, you know the arts and shit.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: He know how to fight.
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: You know, your motherfucker were being back at the building
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: with two Doberman pinchers and shit, you know what I mean,
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: beating them with fucking laundry matt hols and shit. And
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: you know, grabbing them and hanging them on shit. And
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: you know back then that was you know, that was
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: dope to see your cousins and all of them do it.
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: But Risen when he came with this philosophy, it kind
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: of like fucked us all up in it. But we
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: agreed with it right away because Wu Tang was to
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: them was always something like an expression.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: So if you're drinking, this is Wu Tang drinking.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: You know you you over here, yo, this is some
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: Wu Tang shit or whatever, because he was trying to
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: say that we were just like them in the flicks.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: It's crazy something crazy. Whenever I kill an elk, you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I go uh bow hunting every year. Whenever kill elk.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: When I text my friend Cam, I text Wukang Like
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: whenever I kill something, I'll show you. But I want
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: to show you that that's true. I'm not making this up.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: It goes back years. It goes back years. This is
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: like our tradition. Whenever I kill elk. Well, I'm gonna
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: find this the last time I said Wu Tang. I
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: text him every day, So it's going to take a
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: second to get back into some pictures. But whatever I
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: get one, I say Wu Tang and then I send
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: him a picture. Oh crazy, It's going to tell you
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: a while because I do scroll, but this is important
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: to show you this is real. Come on, motherfucker, go
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: back and search Wu Tang and we'll show you. Yeah, okay,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: oh look at Jamie under Cam Hanes or just Wou Tang.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Then when you find Cam Hanes, will show you. Oh
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: look at Jamie, tell me how to do it. Here
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: we go see ah here it is right there, Wu Tang.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, and then held it down. Wow that was
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: from October, but I got it. I go back like
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: five years of doing that. Like every time I shoot
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: a helic, I text Wu tag.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Crazy when you started hunting since you came out here.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: No, I started hunting in twenty twelve. I shot that deer,
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: the deer, that that head that's right there. That was
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the first wow animal I hunted. And then I was like, okay,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Wow crazy.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I was. It was either for me. It was that
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: or become a vegetarian. I watched too many of those
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: peda films, you know, those animal factory farming films and
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: torture films. I was like, fuck this, Like either I'm
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: gonna be a vegan or I'm going to learn how
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: to hunt. And my friend Steve Vanilla took me hunting.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I shot that deer. I'm like, all right, that's what
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: I do now. Oh shit, I've been doing it ever since.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: So I've been hunting for twelve years.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Twelve years. Yeah, So you consider yourself a marksman.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: In uh, well, it's like I'm not really good, like
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: compared to real marksmen.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: That's like saying you're a black belt when you're not
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: really a black belt.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: You know, like like I go through the courses.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like how good are you? I mean, I'm good
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: for regular people. Yeah, if you didn't know, you would
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: think I'm really good. Yeah, but like for people that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: are really good, no, I'm not nearly at their level.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: But you know, there's like professional archers that are like
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: super accurate out to one hundred yards. They could shoot
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: like a softball sized group at one hundred yards consistently.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: A couple of homeboys who could shoot like that though it's.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: A lot of discipline, Yeah, a lot of discipline.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they they come from they live on this
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: side of town.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, there's a lot of boat hunting in Texas. Yeah,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of boat hunting in Texas. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I got to get out there one day. Man.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: I told you, like we were talking before the show,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: like you want to learn, I could put you on
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: some people little each other to do it. And because
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: you're you're fairly close, Like that's an easy thing to do.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Get up.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Definitely, you would enjoy it.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: It's a it's also it's a nice discipline to clear
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: your mind. Yeah, just set a target up in the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: backyard and just shoot the target. It just clears your
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: mind because you have to really concentrate on it and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: why you're doing it. You don't think about nothing else.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: For a guy like you, busy so much shit going on, Like,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: it's good.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: To have a thing like that to just it's like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: a sport to me, something to learn and kind of mask. Yeah,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: that's important.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: But it's one of those things like like it's shooting
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: a free throw, Like at that moment, you can't think
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: of anything else other than what you're doing. If other
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: shit gets in your head, it's like you don't have.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Any room to be focused.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: We got to push it all out and just think.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Oh and that kind of stuff like cleans your mind.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: It's like it flushes your mind out.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: That that's what it's all about at the end of
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: the day.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Man, it just kind of like get a piece of
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: mind and bob vib to something different, don't Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I always say that for artists too. You should find
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: some other thing you like to do, just to give
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: you a little break mentally from whatever you're trying to do.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: You could get you could get too close to something
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: and lose sight of the big picture if you're all
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: wrapped up in it. Sometimes you need something else that
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: you also enjoy outside of it, and then you can
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: look at what you're doing. Okay, what am I doing
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: different exactly? Maybe I should put a new wrinkle in this. Man,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: They should take a new turn, you.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: Know, mix it up, and that's important.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's another cool thing about today is
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: that it used to be thought at one point in time.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I think it was like the early two thousands that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: rap had that hip hop had a shelf life, and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be classics, you know what I mean,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Like the Rolling Stones are still toring, you know, they
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: were fifty eight years old back then. Like this is crazy.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: The Rolling Stones are back on the road. But that
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: was like a new thing. It was like old rock
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: and roll guys out torn was a new thing. But
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: with hip hop artists, if you weren't in now, if
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: you weren't new now, it kind of people weren't into
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: going to see you, right.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Well, when I see guys like l and Cane and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: the perform and Slick Rick and Ice Cube, it kind
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: of it gives me more leverage and more strength to
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: want to do it because I see some of my
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: legends still doing it today. But yeah, man, like you said,
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: just to see a lot of guys like the Rolling
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: Stones and make Jagger and them still performing, it's.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Like, why not I give up on it?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: But with hip hop, that wasn't really a thing for long, No,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: because you didn't.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: Think you didn't think that it would last, you know
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: what I mean, So you felt like you would get
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: a five year run. They say, any artist that was
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: coming out back in the nineties, they was already putting
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: a cap on how long or how far they felt
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: you was going to go. So even for us, we's like, yo, hey,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: we do this shit for like three or four years.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: We good, Yo, we'll be cool with that. So they
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: always put us in a what's the word.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I want to say, what's that?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: What's a box?
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: Put us in a box to make us feel like
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 4: at the end of the day, Yo, this ship is
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: going to be here for a minute, then it's over,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: you know. But seeing guys still doing it, you know,
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: I don't give a fuck. Like I listened to Billy
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: Joe and Billy Joe. Man, this fucking guy right there, people,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: I know people will be like the fuck out.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious. I love his old ship until he's until
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: he had that supermodel wife and then everything got real soft.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: He got to fellow. Yeah, too much good pussy.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 5: He got super model pussy, and it's like uptown girl.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: She's been living in her town world before that, you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: go back to his other ship, you know, owing the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: good die Young.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a great job. He's got some great stuff, man,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: scenes from an Italian restaurant. That's a great song, man,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Captain Jack. Captain Jack's a great song, Billy Joe. But
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: when he got older, it just became you know, he's
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: changing as a human.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: In New yorkert too, right, yeah, all right there, and I.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Got sold out Masters Square Garden like three hundred times.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, crazy, still going, yeah, still going.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: Those are heroes. Those are guys that we we look
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: up to that you know they're still doing anything.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, It's just beautiful that hip hop is like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: that now because I feel like in the two thousands
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: only it was more Overseas was showing you guys love
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: ye like a lot of Europe, Like a lot of
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: my friends that were like maybe bigger in the nineties,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: they had to go over to Europe to Yeah there.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Was check out hip hop.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 4: And I tell people all the time, like being being
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 4: from the States, being where we're from, I think they
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: appreciate it more because they they never really got a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: chance to grasp it as much as we did.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: So they come out more right now to the more enthusiastic,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: the more they love it more, you know. So yeah,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: they can't believe it.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: But for me, I think I love performing a lot
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: more when I go when I go out there, because
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: they come out and they never ever.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: Make you feel like they don't appreciate you, you know
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: what I mean.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: And even to this day, it's like the Clans still
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: goes out there and makes a ton of cash. We
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: see a lot of people, and we see young generations
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: of kids now too. It's like, Yo, you're looking at crowd,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: You're like, fuck, old is that fucking kid that just
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: we just put them on stage and he knew that
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: he knew the fucking words like yo, he might he
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: might have been like seventeen, sixteen years old, Like yo,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: he wasn't even born.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Well, there's classic hip hop now, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Like when I was a kid, there was classic rock.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: You're like, you listen to led Zeppelin. It was classic rock.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: Now this classic hip hop, which is amazing. Yeah, you
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: know right, Well it just shows that the cultures like
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: completely accepted it as an art form. And so now
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: young kids that get into hip hop, maybe one of
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: their friends would be like, hey, you ever heard of this?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: And then they turn them on to new stuff exactly
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: and they're like wow, yeah, yeah, this is nineteen ninety two,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: That shit, you know, And I think that that's how
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: we were.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: We always were infatuated with the music before our time,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: you know, Like how you just said, like yo, you
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: know listening to the sugar Hill Gang. You know, I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: actually had them in one of my videos before really
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: well you know how that and I brought them to
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: my hood too, so you know how that felt for me.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Sugar Hill Gang to my community band. That was dope though,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: right there. Man.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: But yeah, man, you know that's why I always feel
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: like Yo, I tell people all the time, you have
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: to respect the people that did it before you, man,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: because they gave you something to dream about, to be
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: able to instill in yourself. Like, if you don't have that,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: then you're not you're not moving the way you're supposed
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: to be moving, you know. I remember old Man would
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: tell us, if you don't know where you came from,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: you never know where you're going. So having that history,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: that history is an experience that sticks with you forever.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: You have to have that. Don't try to front on that,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: And I think a lot of times people, you know,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: they look at hip hop and they think certain things
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: is hip hop.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: It's like history of hip hop is something that you
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: gotta know, man, you gotta know it. You gotta know it,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: you gotta know it. You should know it.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Like the history of the United States. It's it's something
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: if you're an artist like that, that's what lit the fire.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Somebody had light the fire. And if these young guys
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, like, hey, this shit didn't even exist in
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, didn't even exist. That's not that long ago.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, now it's everywhere like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: what happened. Somebody lit the fire. And if they didn't
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: like that fire, you wouldn't. You wouldn't have it, You
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have the embers. You wouldn't, you wouldn't have this
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: desire to try this thing.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Exactly, And now look what it's doing. Look what it did.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: It's like, yo. One of the biggest genres of.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Music is like you know, and there's a lot of
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: times people take shit like you know, y'all ain't talking negative,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: man ain't talking this, and they talking that. It's like
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 4: my thing to that is always like, yo, it's no
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: different from going to see a scary movie.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Jason, Exactly.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: I hate it Camp, you know what I mean? Based
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: on that. Heat is one of my favorite movies.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Great fucking movie.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: I love Heat.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: You know, de Narron, Why is it okay to do
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: that in the movie, but it's not okay to do
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that in a song?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Right? I don't understand it. I don't you know, it's hypocritical.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: You know it's hypocritical. You said it is.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: It's hypocritical because they say it encourages violence, and that's
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: the same thing they'll say about video games, Like, you know,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: doesn't it everybody? Yeah, So what's going on really? What's
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: going on really is you have a bunch of disenfranchised
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: people that don't have any hope, and if they are
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: around a lot of violence, maybe something will get them
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: excited about violence. If they're not disenfranchised and they have hope,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: they're not inclined towards violence. It's a societal problem. Has
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with the art itself. The art itself
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: is representative of really experiences. So if you're telling people
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: that they can't express themselves about real experiences, you're just
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: going like this, la la la la la. I'm not listening.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: That's how you're doing.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: That's how you feel.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: This is these people's lived expressions. This is that, which
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: is why Wu Tang was so good. The reason why
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: it was so good it was because it was real. Like,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: no one's questioning the authenticity of anybody that was in
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: the Wu Tang clan. So it's like that. The message
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: that you guys were putting out the way you were
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: putting things out, like Wu Tang Clan ain't nothing to
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: fuck with like that is that it was like from
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: you to the world, you know. And if someone doesn't
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: like that, you don't have to listen. You don't have
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: to listen. But if you slap a warning sticker on it,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: you're just gonna sell it anyway.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Right, You're gonna you're gonna you're gonna get caught up
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: in it anyway.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like look, prime example when we made when
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: we made the record Cream right, Cream was a record
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 4: that didn't have nothing to do with anything but the
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: realness of what we were looking at. It wasn't really
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: a song to rap too or have fun where it's
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: a reality.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: There's a picture. He's trying to paint.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: Cash rules everything around me.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: Cash rules like around me, not me should never fucking
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: rule you, but around me, you know. And a friend
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: from the neighborhood, he actually came up with that acronym.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: But I tell people all the time my cousin, I
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: had a cousin from Brooklyn that he used to come
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: to stack Now and he used to sell drugs for us,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: and he came up with that word cream because he
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: was like, yo, yo, you as long as like make
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: my cream, I'm good.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck is cream? Like? You know
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: what I mean? He's like, yo, cream Yo.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: You ever see Tom and Jerry the movie and you
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: know he make those big fucking sandwiches and all of
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: that and he splash all that cream on it, and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm like, oh the Tom and Jerry the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: sandwich is right.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when he made the big same stuff them in
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: your mouth and on Nah, real shit, real shit.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: So the cream that the cream that was splashing all
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: over the place, he was looking at that as that's
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 4: his money, Like I just want my cream.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: I just want my you know what i mean. So
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: we're like, yeah, you're gonna get your cream. You sit
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: up in the fucking.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Spot all day.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: You're gonna make your cream.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: You want to get it. And so who came up
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: with the acronym.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: A good friend of ours in the neighborhood. His name
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: is raid right, and him and method Man is like
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: they was like real close, like brothers. So when we
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 4: was in the studio right into it, he was there
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: and he just sat back and he just came up
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: with cash rows everything around me and him and meth.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: They put it together and next thing, you know that
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: that was a hook. You know.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: At that time for me, I was still writing a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: lot of stories, you know, so I wrote Believe It
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: or Not. I wrote two verses for Cream. I didn't
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: write my rom never started off. As I grew up
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: on the crime side, I was writing about drug dealers
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: in the neighborhood, like, Yo, I know this kid by
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: the name of Jiaganti. Jiganti is Tafflon don with it Damanti,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: you know the Damantes back in the days, was like
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: the you know, the five siree bens is for us
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: back then.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: And a good friend of mine was like, Yo, that
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: ron is cool. I think it's like why you like
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: the rhyme? Everybody else like it. He was like, it's cool.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: So he made me go back and change it. And
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: when I changed it, I started to think before I
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: wrote it, I'm like, damn, He said, Yo, we need
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: to rhyme about shit. That's something that we could relate
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: to that we're dealing with around what the fuck we wake.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Up to every day.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: And that's when I came with I grew up on
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: the crime side, you know, the New York Times side.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Mmm, so he he just told you harder.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just told me to think harder, harder.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, yo, chef, you could, you could, you
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: could be a little bit more creative.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Well, Kream is crazy because it became viral, that the
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: saying dollar dollar bills, y'all became viral.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: You know where I come from, the dollar dollar bill,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: dollar bill, y'all, dollar dollar dollar Tila rock.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: That's oh wow, you remember that record.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, money, it takes money whatever he was saying back then.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: I haven't heard that record right there. Yeah, that's an
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: old school record, rightow fly shit. But yeah, mephing them,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: you know, mephing my man raid. They sat down and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: they came up with cash ool everything around me. And
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: it was a perfect, a perfect you know, symbol of
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: what we were trying to express, that we were always
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: trying to get money, but were dealing with certain things
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: in our community that you know that we were trying
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: to get passed first to try to make some money,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: and it was a sacrifice.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: It was like, yo, you do this shit, you might
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: be able to get out of it alive, or you
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: might not.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: You know, so that record, you know, wind up blowing
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: up so big, it wound up being one of our
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 4: biggest records.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: And it didn't had nothing to do with I guess
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: to me, it didn't.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Feel hip hop. It just felt like real realization, Like
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: real shit is is we need to start listening like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: you just played the Ghettos boys shit, you know what
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: I mean. We're trying to give off a message, a message.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: And that's what I think that people love about Wu
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Tang is that we give out messages. We give out
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: We be like an emotional roller coaster group. We can
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: give you the Wu Tang clan ain't nothing to fuck with,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: and then we can give you the tears where it's
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: like oh shit, yeah the fuck He's right, you know
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Yo, we gotta be careful, We gotta
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: look at things for real. So all I had a
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 4: lot to do with being around smart guys, you know
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: what I mean. The smartness allowed us to write the
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: way we wanted to write right, and it's contagious. It
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: was contagious, yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: It was. But that's what I'm saying about really good
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: lyrics and high quality us. Yeah, yeah, because it everybody
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: else's shit has to be tight too.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know when you're coming with a group
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: of guys that, yo, he kill it, you better come in.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: You have to come in and and say some shit
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: that makes sense. Like I give a lot of credit
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: to our first record, right protect your neck, And I
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: know that's one of your favorite shits. When inspected Deck.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Said a smoke on a mic, like smoking your.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: Rasier the hell Raiser raising Hell with the flavor. Yeah,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: that right there opened up something with all of us. Yeah,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 4: you know, and I always tell Deck, I'm like your Deck.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 4: You are like a you are like a Scottie Pippen.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: You're always gonna hit if you get the ball in
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: your hand, you know.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: And he did that. He created those that first verse
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: that you notice me I jumped right in behind him. Yeah,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: like schwartz nigga.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: Then meth came, and you know what I mean, everybody kind.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Of like, that's what's so amazing, all these killers, all
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: these different voices, all these amazing lyrics, all on one song.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but we wanted to we wanted to show the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: world that each one of us had a style that
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: was unreckoned. Each one of us can paint a picture
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: within our own way that you will love all of us.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 4: So it's better to get us all now. You know,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: we'll sacrifice the little, the little look for the bigger look.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Later, right, you know.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 4: And that was one of the situations where we had
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: to dance a certain way to be like, Okay, yeah,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: we'll take a little bit of money, but we know
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: we're gonna be able to sell. Like you said, yeah,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: give us fifty we sell them.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: We know you telling me you don't got the money,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: but you got the relationships. Okay, cool, long as you
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: got the relationship, long as you got the money. Yeah,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: we're gonna go out there and we're gonna work to
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: make it happen. But this is what's gotta happen. And
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: you know, I give all the credit to Steve Rifkin.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: You know, Steve was the guy that on Loud Records
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: back then. He was a part of r c A
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: back then, and he.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Believed in us.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: It's like, yo, i'll give you out a deal. I'll
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: give you out a deal. And next thing, you know,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: when everybody started taking off. Now you got method man
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: over here, you got just over here, you got to
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: bast over here.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: So we did something that was so new to the
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: world that it's like.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh ship from the outside, it felt different because it
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: felt like a movement, right like Wu Tang was like
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: a movement. It was different.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: It was everybody.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: Everybody tried to box as a group. So even though
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: we knew we were a group and our minds, we
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: looked at it and like you said, as a movement
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: being created that would eventually spread out and and and
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: hit all corners of everything.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: And that was the plan all the time.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: That was a premeditated plan because they wanted us to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: still be group.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: He's like, nah, we.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: Look, we sacrifice and this and that, but we're not
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: going to box ourselves, you know. So by us doing that,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: it kind of like really paid the way for other
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: groups and other artists and everybody to kind of, you know,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: follow this blueprint.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: So now you have, you know, these other other.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 4: Guys coming out and creating their own labels and bringing
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: in the artists that they wanted to do. So to me,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: this kind of made hip hop a little bit more
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: interesting because it showed that artists was starting to get
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: more smarter, which is important. You know, we didn't want
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: to be just like you said, yo, just coming in
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: and you sell your soul and you just stay there.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Nah, we can't just stay there.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: It's one of the hardest parts. Getting the right beat.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, the beat is everything, bro, because.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: It seems like all you guys are very prolific. Everybody
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: can write, but if you don't have a great beat,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: and how many great beats can you make?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: If you got an album, then another album's coming out
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: next year, like whoa, you gotta have sixteen twenty great
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: beats and then you gotta pick from those beats what
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: you know, what goes what song? And try different ways
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: out and you gotta make sure everybody shows up at
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: the studio. How hard was that?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: This shit was real? Bro?
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: I mean I tell people all the time, like number
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: one for us, like, you know, being around so many
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: different lyricists, lyricist guys, beats are.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Important, you know.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: I remember one time a fan asked me, he said, Yo,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: what's the most important thing to you?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: The rhyme with a beat? He fucked me up the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: whole day with that. I was fucked up. And I
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: answered them.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: I gave him an answer like probably like three or
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: four minutes later, and I was like, you know what,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: nobody never asked me that.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: I said the beat.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: I said, you know why the to beat because the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: beat makes you think about what you want to say
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: and what you want to get across. You know, anybody
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: could make rhymes. I can have you sit with me
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: for fucking a month and you could be an ill
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: fucking rapper.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: You I can take you there.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: But to be able to have that combination factor of
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: making a body of work or that sound that you want,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: you need to have the right production. So a lot
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: of times Wu Tang wrote to whatever they felt. It's
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: like how you could listen to protect your neck and
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: you get that energy from us. You know, you get
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: a certain energy because of that production.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: Then you get this energy when you get you get
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: a cream, You get that right.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: So for me, I always tell people to beat us
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: everything you know, and us just sitting down and waiting
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: for Rizzard to come up with something.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Like one thing about Rizard, he was so clever.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: You know, he had a team of guys that was
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: around him that was insistent to helping him come with
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: different sayd and you know you played with different things.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: And of course you know, just having his ear for
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: music and listening to other people's stuff. He was able
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: to isolate himself away from everything and start brainstorming for us.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: So it's like a he was like a.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: He was like the Steelers back in the fucking eighties,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, when they won four Super
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: Bowls in a row. He was like that when Terry
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: brad shawing On was playing Lynn Swann and he was.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: In a zone.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: He was in a he was really in his own.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: One, especially because it became successful and then there was
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of motivation behind it, a lot of energy
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: behind it. Yeah, I hear what you're saying. But without
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: the lyrics, the beat is not the same. It's I
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: see from your perspective as a lyricist and as an
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: MC that you would think that the beat is more
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: important because it's important to you to get started. But
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: damn for as a fan, lyrics to just the beats
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: by themselves, that's not enough. Look, no, no, no, no,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: no no.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: You know how many times Meason I argue about that
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: and I would tell him, like, yo, listen, bro it
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: took it took all of us.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: It took yeah. You had that, Yeah you had this,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: We had that. That's what it's a fifty to fifty proposition,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: it's more sixty forty. I think it's more sixty lyrics
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: because the thing is the lyrics of the thing that
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: make you go oh shit, Like a great, great beat
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: makes you move your head and gets you going, but
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: lyrics make you go oh shit, like rewind that.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: Well, you know that, you know me is fifty to
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: fifty all the time because if I have nothing to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: give me that energy to write right right, right right, how.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Can I give it to you if I don't have nothing.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: It's a collaboration, for sure. It's a collaboration for sure.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting that people would think, like what's more important,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: Like what's what's more important breathing or having a heartbeat?
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Shut the fuck up? You eat both. You need to both.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, balance, you have that both.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: But that's where the collaboration comes in. You had Scott
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Storching here the other day. Oh he's so fucking talented,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: so out there, you know, his glasses on his fucking
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: ja Like you said, it's like a rare savant. There's
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: dudes like that that are like beat machines, you know,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: like he feels it, It comes into his head and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: he feels it and just coming out of his fingers.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: You know, he's a super talented, oh so talented, but
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: like that kind of guy is so special and you
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: know the team, the kind of guy like that up
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: with Dre or you know with uh, you know fifty
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: or any of these people that he collaborated with. It's like,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: that's that's special.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: And that's why, like I said, you know what I mean,
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: you can't never front on the maestro. You know what
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, I remember that you know, DJ started it all.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest, you.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: Know what I mean.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: A DJ game record important scratching. You know, they created
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: a synergy to the artist to be like yo, I mean,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: let me try this. Even even if you go back
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: to like I said, look at look at Quincy Jones.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: Man, Look look what the fuck he did?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Right right?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: You know, look at look at Frank Sinatra, Like, who
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: the fuck was handling his fucking music? Man, he was
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: so clever, he needed a vibe though, he needed Who
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: was that guy?
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: You ever hear Frank Sinacha when he's young. Oh he
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: was for you smoking all those cigarettes. It's a super
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: high pitched voice.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: It's crazy, it's crazy.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: You listen to the difference, like wow, it had so
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: much rain.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: It was the production though, I don't know, I don't
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: know really got he never really got famous.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Like well, I think the whole thing back then was
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: Elvis or whoever it was, you know, whoever was the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: person that was in front. Everybody behind the scenes didn't
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: really get that much respect, right, you know.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: But he was a talent.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, who was that crazy dude that wore the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: wigs that shot that lady in la He produced all
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the Beatles. Ship he had that white He got tried
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: for murder and every day on in the court we'd
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: wear a different wild wig. He created the wall of Sound.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: What's his name? He was really insane. Phil Spector, phil
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Spector back in the day. He was known for pulling
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: guns on people. He pulled guns on people, stick them
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: in their mouths and ship. He was a complete psychopath. Yeah.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: And he Jewish guy, I think, And he shot this
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: lady in the mouth? Was it Jewish? I don't want
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: any Jewish people mad at me. Jewish people get bad
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: when you say something's not Jewish and they did something terrible. Hey,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: look guys, I'm just saying successful Jewish people. But that dude, uh,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: he he was responsible for the Wall of Sound, the Beatles,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: like that was a big thing with him. Like he
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: was known for being a guy that would change people's music.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: Russian Jewish and he was then from the Bronx. Yeah,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: wild wild boy and shot some picked up some lady
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: at a bar, took her back to his place and
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: shot her in the mouth.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he would put guns in people's mouths, like. He
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: was known for threatening people, like you want to get
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: out of this fucking contract and just shove a gun
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: in your mouth? What's that? He pulled a gun on chair,
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: He pulled the gun out of his ship. Share he
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: calls stopping Phil Spector in his tracks. When he pulled
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: the gun on her, he cout and pulled that ship
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: with me, right right, right right. We had this really
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: strange relationship. You don't say, you don't say, you know, well,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: it's like the music business at one point in time
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: was run entirely by gangsters. That's the story about Hendricks.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: The story about HENDRICKX is that his manager killed him.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: That's the conspiracy was that his manager killed him because
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: it's more valuable for Hendricks to be dead his music.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: He's a a maestro like a one in a billion
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: year talent, and that they knew that they had all
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: these recordings of him and they could kill him. And
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: so that's why his girlfriend jumped off to own a
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: shit because he was gonna leave his management. His bodyguard
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: wrote a book about it years later, and it just
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: came out like I want to say, like ten years ago,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: one not long ago. Whereas the bodyguard said, yeah, the
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: manager killed him, killed Hendricks, and there the girlfriend off
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: a roof.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: They did a bunch of movies on that. They need
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: to do a real Wu Tang movie. I know Hulu
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: had a series, but they need a real like Quentin
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Tarantino needs to just me, I know, Quentin Tarantino. That's
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: what I think. I think we talked Quentin Tarantino because
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: he wants to do one more movie. How old he
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: does a fucking Wu Tang movie, the real Wu Tang Qcause,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: like Hulu's great, but it has to be on Hulu.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: You can only get that so wild on Hulu, you know,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: like for it to be real, real, it has to
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: be a movie.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: I wrote a book, right and inside my book I
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: talked about how Q tip a good friend of mine
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: cut Tip. He had he had me and Leonardo sit
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: down Leonardo DiCaprio right, and I remember Q Tip was like, YO,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: set up a meeting for you and Leonardo to meet
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: in Brooklyn at this small piece of shot, one of
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Leonardo's favorite spots, and he wanted.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: To talk to you. Said, yeah, that's what's up.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: So me and Leonardo's we started talking and he was like, yo,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: you tub was telling me that you was he was
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: thinking about trying to, you know, get guys together to
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 4: create a movie. I was like, yeah, this is what
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: I was thinking, So make a long story short. I
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 4: set up a meeting with Rizza, myself, Leonardo's people's in
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: La and I told rizz I said, listen, before we
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: do this Hulu thing, which at the end of the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: day was a Rizzius production thing or whatever he was doing.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: I said, I think we need to make a realistic,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: real life movie of us. Said it shouldn't be nothing
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: that we should play with because people need to know
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: our real story. So Rizzard entertained the conversation, but I
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: don't know. For some reason, I guess he felt like
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: he was committed to doing whatever he wanted to do
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: with Hulu. Yeah yeah, And you know, like I said.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the Klan, Yeah yeah, Jamie,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: it was that.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: It was that night, and I remember that I wish
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: we could have been able to sit down with him
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: because the way I had him looking at it, it
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: was almost like I told him, I said, this would
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: be like a smack like a slash of good fellas
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: in Minister Society, you know, to kind of talk about
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: our story and whatever. And he was super open. He
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: was like, yo, chef, what we gotta do y'all? Who
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: do we need to talk to? But at that time,
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: Rizza was already in pocket on what he wanted to do.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: So I said, you know what, one day, you know,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: maybe I might get a chance to show my version
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: of it, because come on, how many how many movies
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: we looked at?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: Right right? You know what I mean?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: You got these guys telling it.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: You for community still be made, still be made. Just
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: because there's a Hulu shit, that doesn't mean ship.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: But I think that at the end of the day,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: you know, God willing, we will really give you guys
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: another chase of really how how we really see it?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: I think it would be hugely successful I think for
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: music from a movie rather perspective.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: Would you rather see it as a movie? Would you
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: a movie a movie?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Or you do it like on Netflix where you can
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: get wild, you know, do it like you know, like
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Netflix has shipped like Osar, they get wild on Netflix,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: you can get wild. That's how it has to be.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: It has to be griming.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: It has to be that's how you want it, right.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: It can't be in any way ABC After School Specialified,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: you know, saying like it can't be. It can't be
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: cleaned up through a filter. It has to be good too.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: It has to be like a good narrative. It has
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: to be set up. The scenes have to be set
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: because it's very hard to take an insane career of
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: nine of the best mcs get together under one mastermind.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: But all these genius talents and they formed this movement
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna condense that to two hours?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one right there. He was. He was like, Yo,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: ray Yo, Yo, blah blah blah Yo.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: That's what I said. I said, Yo, Look come on now,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: I said, people do it all the time. I say, yo,
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: look at the prime example.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Look at n w A.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: I thought, n w a movie was dope, you know
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: what I mean, straight out of Compton. I thought they
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 4: did a good job, but that was dre and cube
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: and you know, I'm sure, I'm sure you're always gonna
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: have somebody around that be like yo, now that ain't it.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: That ain't.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: But it was so realistic that when I seen I
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: was it was like, all right, I get it. You know,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: Rizzy even said it. You you know, this is more
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: for the younger generation to kind of gravitate to. And
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: once everybody loved it, they loved it, so it was like, Okay,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: y'all love it. We love y'all for loving it.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: It's great, it's great. But here hear me out. Opening
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: of the movie, Rikers, opening of the movie. You guys
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: show up at Rikers to do the concert. We're old
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: Eddie Bastard's inside. That's the opening of the movie.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 9: It's the opening of the movie, real gritty, you want
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 9: to but that just get everybody on the hook right away,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 9: and then he'll bring them back to the beginning right
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 9: after that.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: You know, you put the year, and that's how.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: You make movies. You pick, you pick all the greatest
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: moments and the.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Right Yeah, that's a no brainer for a Wu Tang movie.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: You start with Rikers. You start with Rikers, which is
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: what year was that? Ninety five? What yours? When did
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: the year?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: It was?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: Look a old dirty Bastard and Rikers concert we're talking
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: about to say, look up that And what year did
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: you guys start?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: What was the very first year we started? We started
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: in ninety late ninety two.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: So you start, you start the movie with Rikers, and
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: then you bring it back to ninety two, back to
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: ninety two. That's what it is. That's what it is.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, just think about the incredible amount of talent,
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: not just not just rap. Believe Jesus is like a
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: world champion caliber chess player. So ninety nine, two thousand,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: I got our interview or is it talking about it?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: And doesn't Jis have some degree in physics?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: Small motherfucker?
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Doesn't he have some crazy degree?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: Smat He's like look.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: That up please? So you just that alone in the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: movie is like, come on, this is real.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that people was looking forward's looking at Yeah.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: Think of a movie like that. Think of a movie
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: that starts up with the gates opening and you guys
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: going in, put your put all your belongings in the basket,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: the whole ship getting frisked, checking everybody down, the guy
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: reading you the rules, the warden telling you do not
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: go into the crowd, do not do the Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, cool,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: we got yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: Think about it. That's the beginning of the movie. That's
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: an incredible opening for a movie. And it really happened.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: This isn't bullshit. This is a bunch of dork sitting
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: around a table coming up with some nonsense. This is
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: some ship that you lived through. That would be an
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: incredible opening for a movie.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 4: And it's just it's just so even incredible, even more
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 4: on how we connected, because, like I said, everybody come
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 4: from almost the same poverty bullshit, but everybody had different
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 4: philosophies on how they felt their lives was going into
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 4: you know, you know, I tell people all the time,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: you know, my neighbor was about making money, you know,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: ghost neighborhood was about taking money, you know what I mean,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: taking shit from you. You know, jizz A, you know,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: being one of the MC's that could have been down
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: with the Juice crew, you know what I mean, you
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: know who the fuck the Juice crew is?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: He turned it down It's like they was the hottest
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: shit back then. Master Ace Benz.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 4: Camee Coogie Rat, all these all these dope em scenes.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: They asked me, Yo, we want you to come and
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: get get down with us. He's like, nah, you know
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 4: what now all these things I remember, like yesterday, Like wow, he.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Turned down the Juice Crew.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: He was like, I love the Juice Crew, but I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: just was in in this this chamber right here, you know,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: us dirty us with Old Dirty, Like yo, you know,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: Old Dirty always wanted to be like biz biz macky.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: He had that personality, that charisma, that that energy. So
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 4: like you said, these are the things that I wanted
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: to see each individual, like you know, and like I said,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: you know, shout out Hulu Man for doing a great job.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: But I do agree, like you, we need another movie where.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: It really defines who we are. Yeah, you know Risik,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: you know Zik. You know, that was his his side
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: of how he wanted to tell it.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a great story. It's it's fine, the
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: whole thing's fine. But I think there's something missing. And
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I think there's something missing is a movie. It's a
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: it's gotta be a movie. It's got to be a
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: big screen, big thing, and it could be done first.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Man, you heard it first. I ain't have to I
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: have to argue what my brothers about it.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, just imagine imagine when O dB does baby
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: I Got Your Money? Come on. Imagine that and that
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: becomes this massive hit, massive hit.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he had. You know, he had the
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: most hits on out of all of us.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Right, he was so fucking talented. Man, it's so real.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: You remember when he was on MTV and this talking
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: about like what are you gonna what are you gonna give?
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: Where are you gonna give your money? It's like, I
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: give you my money? Nobody like he was like, yo,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: you're going to get back.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: He was like yo, yoh yeah I remember that. H yeah,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah, And everybody was crying. Yeah, everybody was because
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: it was so real.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like, well, I think it's really important that
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: we established some sort of a community fund. Shot the
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: fuck up.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: He was just having nothing, you know what I mean?
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: But you know we always gave back in our own ways.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Of course, Well by existing, you give back. By existing,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: you inspire others by existing. How many rap careers, how
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: many hip hop careers were inspired by WU Tang clan
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: and all the members countless, countless, so many.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: I say that we definitely had a piece of watching
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: the new generation grow and you know kind of you know,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: build the build their off the way we built ours.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 4: You know, that's important, you know, to to reflect on that.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: You know, back then, like you said, nobody wasn't given
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: motherfuckers this kind of money.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Like we was the first group that ever had a
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: million dollar video. Wow. I remember that day me and
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Rizzard was coming up with the with the storyboard.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: What video was that?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: Triumph?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: We did the Trump Ship.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: It was like we came up with all this ship
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: and he was like, Yo, this is gonna cost a
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: million dollars, Like what the fuck is a million dollars?
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: Like do it? You know?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: And at that time, you know is this yeah, yeah,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: this is what my guy Brett Ratna.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: Storms of killer bees they've been seen.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 7: Approaching from Brooklyn, the Bronx Queens and Staten Island.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: See the bees coming through and ship.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: As we will be bringing you up to the minute
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: information this just then, plics are reporting that there's a.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Man on top of the They were ready to jump.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 7: I'm told that he is possibly old, dirty the wool
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 7: Tang clan.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: The police suspect that there could be some connection between
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 4: this old dirty.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 7: Mare or form atomically Socrates philosophies and how fat the
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 7: seas can't define them?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: Why be dropping these mockeries? Really? Move on?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: Robbery, flee with the lottery, possibilytics.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 7: Fighting me, battles, guard show gun, It's supposed to win.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 7: My feis tremendous, hotel violence, sham blind for forensics, high
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 7: inspects you through the future See Millennium Killer best so
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 7: fifty Gold sixty Platinum, shackling the matches with drastic grab tactics,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: graphic displays melting steel like blacksmiths, black Woo tack and
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 7: Queen peas He's from with pertumatics Hence by the score,
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: Take plight inside the wall, to the floor, zight heart,
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  Speaker 7: fancy man more, behold the boats to control the gloats,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: slowly go see the gloat, swinging swords like said the
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  Speaker 7: princes to Solid Rock, who got a lot, performing love
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 7: on your hot and slides the world turns.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: I spread like jrun the like my position in the
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: old days of the Klan, And is it weird looking
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: back now? It feel almost surreal that you guys did
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: it a.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: Little bit to me. Yeah, it has to to me
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know I always believed in
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: my group, man. I mean these guys is, like you said,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: very talented, very talented. Sometimes we don't know our power
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: when we come together, but we might be the only
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: group that stick together so long, you know, because we
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: all feed off each other every time. So to be
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 4: able to reflect back when we was in our prime,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: it was like we still ain't even give our best.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: It was almost like, okay, yeah, we're gonna do it
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: because we have to not do it because we're all
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: in a happy five or happy moment. A lot of
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: times we made great things happen out of nothing, you know,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: on the pressure. Might have been turbulence in the room,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: might have been an argument that happened that day, but
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: we still.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Managed to come out with something great out of that
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: whole time, of of that moment. You know.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: But that's what's incredible, is that through all the disputes,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: still still Yeah. Yeah, that's because there's no way you're
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: gonna have nine dudes and not have disputes exactly. Especially nine.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: It's hard, man.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: It's hard because you know, everybody has an opinion, and
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: you want to respect everybody's opinion, you know. But it
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: made me think about sports, and it made me think
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 4: about how coaches and people you know, outside of the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: group are so important.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: See how we were we were designed.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: We we huddled up, but we never really had people
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: around us kind to like push the narrative more to
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: show us our true power. So we made a lot
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 4: of mistakes, you know, of being great but still handling
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: the business a little bit different, different from if we
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: that had some.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Some coaches, some guidance.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: The problem was back then, no one knew what was
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: going on because it was so fresh. It was so new.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: The whole genre had only existed for six or seven years.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: So it was it was. It was emerging, and it
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: was chaotic and was so exciting, but there wasn't a
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: lot of experts and how to manage it. You know.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: It's like today, you know, you could you could, you know,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: a young artist coul come to a guy like you
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: and say, hey, what should I do? Help me out?
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: Like what what is what's the path that you think
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: that I should take? And you could give them real advice,
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: where back then, like who knew who knew was going
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: to work. They would have told you that's not gonna work.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: You can't get nine dudes, and that's how you doing that.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: But it worked. It didn't just work. It like accelerated everybody,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: like amplified all the voices. That's what was so crazy
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: about it. Is it just it didn't just work. It
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: worked better than being by yourself. Yeah.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell people all the time, I don't the Klan.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: I think we all got better based on us as
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: a collective, by themselves and be great.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: Iron sharpens iron, and that's what it is. Yeah, you
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: guys had so many killers together, there's no way it
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: could be great. That's what's incredible. It's like it's so
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: hard for people to do that. That's why it's never
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: been done before, which is amazing. If you think about
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: the history of hip hop, how many artists have come
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: up and not one group has come together and made like,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: oh they're just like Wu tang, not one, not one.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: Even when it comes to you know, sales, and you know,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: each one of us was blessed to be a to
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: go platinum and goal. But we talk about that, you
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: know sometimes when we all together, we we laugh and
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: we say, damn, you know, no other groups did what
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: we did, like come with guys that everybody in the
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: group went gold and platinum and this and that, and
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: I can't. I couldn't name one person. He was like, yo,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: name one person that name one group that did what
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: we did at that level back then.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't name it, you know what I mean? Because
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: we branched out.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Scarface obviously went on to face massive career. Did you
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: see his little tiny desk performance? Incredible, fucking incredible, incredible.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Is one of my greatest friends too, man.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: And so different than anything else, like the way he
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: did it, like he adapted the lyrics to the environment. Yeah,
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Oh it's incredible, incredible.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: Scarface is a real god too.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: Man, one of the all timers, one of the all
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: time greats.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Adam, come to your show.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: You haven't yet, No, I'd love to have it. I
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: love that dude, Willian. I think that, like, there's so
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: many amazing talents that came out of that nineties hip
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: hop era that like, for a young guy coming up,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: someone who's like interested in a career in it now,
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: is imperative that you go back, go back.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: You have to.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: You gotta explore the classics. You got to see what
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: started this whole thing, because and you got to put
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: yourself in this mindset, like it's hard to imagine my
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: experience of it because you're not gonna be able to
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: have it. It's always been around, but for me, it's
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: like when it came around, it was this totally new thing.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: It's totally new sound, totally new, like avenue of music
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: that existed, and everybody was like wow, and all the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: young people were excited. Everybody was excited, like this is crazy. Yeah,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: this is so different than everything else, you know. And
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: so for the people that are like making a career
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: in it now, like ooh, you know, I know, there's
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: like a tendency to think you're the fuck man and
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: everything else sucks. I'm telling you gotta abandon that. Abandon
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: that thinking, go back and educate yourself, you know, cause
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: it's free. Just get on free go, get on YouTube,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: get on Spotify, educate yourself. There's so much classic shit
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: from the nineties that you're missing.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 4: And all we were doing really was just like you said,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: just expression, you know, being in a studio smoking a
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: lot of weed. You know, in a lot of times
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 4: when we were smoking and just vibing. It's like we
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 4: were mentioning things that you know, like today like prime example,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: you know, our own our own a cannabis business in
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 4: Newark called hash story.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean, see you representing us. You know,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: we said in rhymes like can it be also simple? Yo,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to have.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: Me a fat y'all and enough land to go and
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: plant my own sas crops. But for now, it's just
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: a big dream, you know. So we kind of like
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: spoke things into existence that at the end of the day,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: like you know, now as I sit here and I'm
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: the owner of a cannabis business, I'm like, wow.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: We was talking about things. You know, my first joint
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: in it went gold. I put it on my mother's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: you know, my mother's living on wall.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: You know, we did that.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: So we were kind of like saying things that meant
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: so much to us back then, but still dreaming of
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 4: it being a reality.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: And the next thing, you know, it happens.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: You know, like how you said, you know, Jizz being
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: so intelligent and talking about science and you know meth,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 4: you know, talking about certain things, and you know, now
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 4: today he's in the movie world and Riz is a director,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 4: and you know, these are the things that were going
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: through our minds as we were just smoking and listening
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 4: to production and just saying, Yo, what the right next?
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Where do we want to go?
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: And I think that that is important as an artist,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 4: is to dream and be creative. Don't sit in one
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: box like that's the ship that just be driving me
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: crazy a lot.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: With hip hop today, it's.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: Like, yo, it's just sounding too fucking repetitions like let's
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: make it bigger, let's.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: Let's take it over here, over here, over here.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 4: But its just sometimes it's just sitting in one fucking
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: box where it's like, yo, come on, we gotta It's
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: not just that, it's about opening up, opening up the
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 4: doors for everybody to be able to.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: See so many sides.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 4: Like now it just seems like like the hip hop
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 4: shit is just being controlled by one person that's saying, Yo,
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: we want you to stay right there, we want you
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: to talk ignorant, we want you to not grow, we.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Want you to just whatever they think it's gonna sell.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: Why is that? Why is that the case? Because you
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: get it the same reason why they were trying to
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: take the Riza and change him and turn him into
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: something he's not. People always do that. They do that
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: in comedy, they do that, in podcasting, they do that
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: in music. There's always some executive that thinks they know
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: better and they're gonna mold you and shape you and
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: change you. And this is what we're gonna do. We're
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: gonna hire an image team, we're gonna do It's all
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: just bullshit. It's non artists interfering with art, That's what
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: it is. It's when you have middlemen. You know, you
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: have these people that profit off of your talent, and
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: they think they're gonna steer it in a way it's
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: gonna be the most profitable. They don't give a fuck
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: if you're like earnestly and honestly expressing yourself, that doesn't
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: mean anything to them. They just want you to stay
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: in that box because that's the box they're selling, and
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: once it sells, once they don't want you to change
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: it up. Remember when iced Tea started a fucking heavy
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: metal band. Yeah, iced Ty, who played a cop on
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: TV for like fucking thirty years. He got a song
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: called cop Killer body Count, and everybody wanted him to
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: be the rapper and iced Ty was like, eh, I'm
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: gonna do a hardcore album. It was like, what cop kill?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, what is this?
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: This is crazy? But it's like he just didn't listen.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't give a fuck what you say.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what I want to do, and this
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: is what I want to do now exactly. And you
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: have to give an artist that ability to do that.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: They have to be able to change it up anytime
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: they want whatever, because whatever got them to the dance
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: is going to keep them dancing. And they might dance
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: to the beat of a different song, but it's gonna
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: be the same the same person, that same creative force
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: that created whatever you liked in the beginning. Well, you
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: probably like this new direction they're going to go into
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: because it's gonna be just as good. It's just like
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: we all like different, Like you were saying, you like
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: Billy Joel, we both like cool g rap It's very different.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't want to see the two of them at
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: a concert together, you know. But that's what you have
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: to give room for an artist. And these executives and
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: these people that are profiting off of art without being creative,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: their input's always terrible. It's always terrible because they don't
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: have a vision. They don't really unless you're like a
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Rick Rubin, like one of those cats is just like
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: super eccentric, weirdo genius dude who just knows what he
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: likes and go, hold on, hold on, do that again,
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: stop that stop stop stop doing it again? Do it again?
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: Do it that way? Okay, can you make an echo?
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: Do it?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Do it?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: Give me an echo. But he's working, He's right, he's
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: barefoot and ship and fucking doing yogas super weirdo Scott
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Storage type character. Yeah. You those guys their artist though,
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: it's like that's different. But when you get these suits
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: and the suits get involved and they know that, oh
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: we made you know, Raekwan sold a million and seven
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand CDs doing it like this. So this is
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: what we want from this one too. We wanted to
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: be the exact same one. We wanted to do it
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: like that, do it like that again? Like oh no, no,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: what's this new thing you're doing. What's this dude thing
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: where you talk about discipline? No no, no, no, no,
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: no no, you know, But that's one of the most
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: important things about hip hop too, is like songs inspire
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: people to change their lives, like like Gangstar song, discipline,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Like that song inspires you to have discipline. It's a
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: great fucking song.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Like I said, like, Yo, the ship became knowledge to
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: us man.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, you know, that's what I miss about hip hop
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 4: is the knowledge fact that you know, raising our kids
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: to be smarter and you know, not hotting anything from them.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: Like like you said, once you put that warning stick
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: on it, don't look at it. They gonna look at
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: it anyway, So why not let them see for what
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: it is and then say, yo, look you can make
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: these choices, but you go that way, you know what
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: you're getting.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: You go this way, you know what you're getting.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: I think all it takes is someone today to do
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: what you guys were doing and blow up, and then
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: everybody would want to do it that way if someone
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: today became like this genius lyricist was like pointing out
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: things in society and became a huge artist.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: But you think that music is still you think do
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 2: you think the radio play it?
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think the radio means jack shit anymore. I
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: think what means something now is people sharing it. That's
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: what means.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: So how they get it out there on someone.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: They put it on Spotify, put it on SoundCloud, put
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: it on YouTube. Someone sees it, someone hears it. You
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: send it to somebody. They send it to ten people,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: and then it goes viral. That's what it's all about.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's just be undeniable. Be undeniable, have some
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: ship where you listen to it and you have your
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: friends like you gotta listen this. Listen, listen, listen first
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: first lines, first lines. Listen to that ship. That's that's
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: how we always sold it anyway. God, yeah, come out
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: of the gate with a fucking haymaker boom.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: This is what we do though.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 4: See damn, you're talking like I feel about my album.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: I'm about the drop away.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: Well you know, shit, I just I just been working
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: on this documentary right for the Purple Team. Just be
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: honest with you. Take you back.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: I've been working on you know, only built for Cuban
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 4: Links is my my What's going On album, My thrill
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: album that I made thirty years ago this year twenty
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: twenty five be thirty years. So what we've done was
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: we went back and decided to do a documentary about it.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 4: So it's called the Purple t files because remind you,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 4: only built for Cuban Links was the name of the album.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 4: But being that I came with it as a cassette,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: everybody started to call us album the Purple tape. So
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: now you know, we came back and we decided to
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: do you know, me and my team from my camp.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 4: You know not this is you know, the Klan, of
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: course of the Klan, but this is something that was
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 4: my intellectual property that I said, yo, you know what,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: me and my god sat down, my team sat down
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: and said, yo, you.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: Need to do a documentary about this album.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: Because you can make fifty albums, people are still going
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: to talk about only built.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: For Cuban Links. So I said, damn, you know what,
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: So what I did was, I said, you know what,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: let me invest in it and kind of tell a
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: story of what helped us inspire that album, what help
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: us be a part of the culture, and how it
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: still allows me to still exist today. Like if you
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: see a lot of these guys today in the game,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: he's still wearing Cuban link chains.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 4: So whoever thought that I'm calling my album only built
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: for Cuban link niggas. Everybody and their mother is wearing
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: Cuban link chains today thirty years later. So you know,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: that been something that I've been working on, and believe
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: it or not, we've been working on it for ten years.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: So I got over fifty influential people that was in
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: my life that was affected by that album to be
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: a part of this documentary.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: So now this is all in the making.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: We didn't actually go out there and start pitching it
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 4: yet we're finally getting ready to do it right now
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: as we speak.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: As we speak, once the new.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: Year kicking and all that, we will be ready to
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: go out there and position ourselves to go do a
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: deal with a network.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: With this project, It's gonna be ill, you know what
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 4: So my thing is to talk about it in a
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 4: way to where the way we made the album all experiences,
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 4: all the things that we went through, and eventually that
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 4: that would wind up becoming a movie later on, because
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: the storyboard of how I talk about it is gonna
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 4: blow people minds because it's like, damn, this.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: Is what you was going through, this is how your
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: mindset was.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: Because I just want people to know that that album
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: was made because I love hip hop Man, and you know,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: we were in a position to make something golden that
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 4: at that time, I was already thinking cinematic. I was
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 4: already in my Marche Scorsese mindset, because when I came
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 4: into Klan, I was like, yo, I don't.
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: Do all the karate shit. I don't know how to
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: round like that.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: I don't even know about drugs and hustlers and trying
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: to get from here to there.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: And it turned my life around for the positive. You know.
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: So we talk about this in a documentary and we
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: go through some of the songs and like I said,
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: you know, I got some of my guys that you know,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 4: we had, we had, you know, we had conflictions with
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 4: some artists out there, like Big Biggie. Back then, everybody
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 4: thought we had a beef, and you know, just it
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: becomes interesting. But the bottom line is that's what I've
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 4: been working on alongside with working on some other music.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 4: So I just said that, yo, let me get this
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: done the right way first and then I'm gonna, you know,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 4: drop some new music. So I got I got definitely
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: a new album getting ready to come out. The new album,
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 4: I say probably like between second quarter right now. Yeah,
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 4: And I never even mentioned the name of the album,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 4: but I'll mention it on your shoulder. The name of
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: the album is going to be called The Emperor's New Clothes.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 4: You ever heard that Dutch folk tale and people? Are
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: you familiar? Yeah, So that's going to be the name
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 4: of it because I feel like the status called today
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 4: everybody follows bullshit. Nobody wants to be genuine nor more,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: nobody wants to call out shit that makes sense.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, if you believe it, Oh, I'm supposed
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: to believe. I'm supposed to believe.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: Nothing that don't feel like what it is supposed to
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: be to me goes back to like you said, and
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: I'm listening to everything you're saying about you have to
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 4: do it from this way. Fuck that, fuck fuck radio.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: Whatever it's gonna stop you from being you, you know
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: what I mean. So this is the same mindset that
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking with my hip hop, my new album that's coming, Like, Yo,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna let you tell me that this is
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: not what.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: People still love, you know what I mean. I don't care.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: I'm just I know what I know from coming up
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: as a kid who loved hip hop and what inspire
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: me so I'm gonna have a ball this shit.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of great things that I want
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 4: to give the world, but yeah, that's gonna be people.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: I still love it. And I'm telling you these like
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: young kids that I have at the Comedy Mothership, when
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: I play them nineteen nineties hip hop, they oh, they
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: just don't know yet.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they can't for them because they wasn't a
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: lot possibly at that time.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: They got so much shit coming their way, the new artists.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: It's so much shit going on.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: It's so much shit going on.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: It's so much going on.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 4: But you know, I always say that it's always a
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 4: lame for people that love music, you know what I mean,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: It's like you could be fifty you know.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 4: Today I'm sitting here as a fifty five year old
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 4: man that still have that kid in him to love
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 4: what I what? What what would help me be who
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 4: I am today? So I'm still at my best when
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 4: it comes to making music. You know, like today the
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 4: chef is is more of.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: An architect artist. Now I'm not.
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 4: I don't consider myself a gangster rapper or a funny
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: rapper or I'm an architect rapper. You know because I
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: like to reflect on things about growth and development, you know,
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: and when people hear this album, they're gonna be like, damn,
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 4: like yo, he still fucking got it.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 2: I tell people all the time, I don't ever think
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: we're gonna lose that ship.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 4: That's like sitting here and saying, Mike Tyson can't fight
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: when you know, at the end of the day, he
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 4: me lose a fucking bit when it comes to how
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: he feels that passion for boxing or whatever.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: I feel the same way with my music. So get ready.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: But then, like I said, the name of the album
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: is called The Imps New Clothes. Check for that show.
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm ready. Listen. Brother, thank you very much
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: for being here. It was a real, real pleasure, and
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: thank you for everything you guys have done over the years.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: I've been endlessly entertained by Wu Tang clan for a
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: long time. And I hope somebody listens to this and
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: makes that fucking movie. Make that movie. Do it.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: We're gonna make it happen.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: We're gonna figure it out. I wish I made movies.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: I wish I was a movie maker, because that's what
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: I would be. I would make it that way, I
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: would open up with that fucking riker scene.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: Listen, Joe, It's never too late for us to do
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: what the fun we wanted to do.
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: Never to let, never, never to let. Thank you, loved, loved,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: and very much appreciation. Five LUs