Latest / Bears Banter Talk Show / WK 2 Bears vs Vikings Postgame Show
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- 0:51SPEAKER_03: Uh, doing all right.
- 0:53SPEAKER_03: May I look a little disappointed.
- 0:55SPEAKER_03: You know, I I had the Bears winning big on this game.
- 0:58SPEAKER_03: This game ended up being Vikings nine, the Bears three.
- 1:04SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the weather definitely played a part in that, but you know, this was one of those games where uh we got a little ahead of ourselves a little bit.
- 1:12SPEAKER_01: And I I would say the best thing about this game is it kind of exposed our hubris.
- 1:17SPEAKER_01: Uh we have some kind of signal.
- 1:20SPEAKER_01: You can't hear me.
- 1:22SPEAKER_04: He has some type of signal issue.
- 1:23SPEAKER_04: Oh, there he is.
- 1:24SPEAKER_04: Back?
- 1:24SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, sure can.
- 1:25SPEAKER_03: I can hear you.
- 1:26SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like we spend it a little bit.
- 1:29SPEAKER_01: Okay.
- 1:30SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the worst thing about this game is it kind of exposed our hubris.
- 1:34SPEAKER_01: You know, we were a little bit uh full of ourselves from the 59 points we scored last week, and you know, just thinking, hey, we're gonna go out, and we automatically are now anointed as the top offense in the NFL.
- 1:48SPEAKER_01: And uh, yeah, weather conditions, uh a good opponent kind of took us down a little bit.
- 1:54SPEAKER_01: So it is what it is, but I take the good with the bad.
- 1:57SPEAKER_01: That was still a game that was a winnable game.
- 2:00SPEAKER_04: That's why we play the games, man, on any given Sundays.
- 2:03SPEAKER_04: You know, my thing is I had it closer, but I thought both teams were gonna score.
- 2:07SPEAKER_04: But we get out there, humidity's kind of high, it's like 60 something, it's rainy, you know.
- 2:13SPEAKER_04: That that had a contributing factor, but man, to lose and only give up nine points, man.
- 2:22SPEAKER_01: I'm worried about Jay because he's sitting up there, he's been there since probably six o'clock this morning in the rain, barbecuing and doing all of this stuff and talking.
- 2:32SPEAKER_01: So he's probably not in the in the uh highest spirits, but that kind of is what it is.
- 2:38SPEAKER_01: It's part of being a Bear fan.
- 2:40SPEAKER_01: We're one and one.
- 2:41SPEAKER_01: Uh at this point, at the worst, we're gonna be in second place in the division because Minnesota's 2-0.
- 2:50SPEAKER_01: That said, let's keep it going.
- 2:52SPEAKER_01: It's really uh a bad turn that we lost the quarterback.
- 2:57SPEAKER_01: You know, when I saw that, I thought he probably had more of a hamstring injury, you know, not a knee injury or an Achilles.
- 3:04SPEAKER_01: And it turns out that's what they've uh diagnosed a right hamstring.
- 3:08SPEAKER_01: That said, that's he can still be out from anywhere from six to eight weeks uh with a 10 with a hamstring.
- 3:15SPEAKER_01: So let's see how much uh whether or not Tyson Bajan is gonna um is gonna actually earn that that five million for that backup role.
- 3:25SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean he's gonna pray's going out to uh I'm sorry, guy.
- 3:29SPEAKER_03: Prayers going out to uh Caleb Williams that he recovered, you know, to full strength.
- 3:35SPEAKER_03: I mean, tough guy.
- 3:37SPEAKER_03: Um things happened.
- 3:39SPEAKER_03: This was this was just one of those Murphy law games.
- 3:43SPEAKER_03: Anything that could go bad actually happened today.
- 3:46SPEAKER_03: Um, you fumble like Play mentioned, you fumbled on the one-yard line.
- 3:49SPEAKER_03: You you get a field, you get a field goal block.
- 3:53SPEAKER_03: Sam Ross actually drops a walk-in touchdown.
- 3:56unknown: He didn't.
- 3:56SPEAKER_03: I mean, I know they put a little helmet on it, but still, you got you, you gotta catch those like that because your quarterback haven't had much time.
- 4:03SPEAKER_03: Then you look like your quarterback about to run in, and he has a injury, and he has to be carted off.
- 4:10SPEAKER_03: And you know, it's just like anything that could go wrong today seemed to happen, and the the conditions were problems for both teams.
- 4:18SPEAKER_03: And even at one point, Manonga was being evaluated for an injury, and I think that was right around the time when they were on the goal line around that fumble because I thought you know he would have been in on that play, but you got to keep going uh and play games like this.
- 4:35SPEAKER_03: What's going on, guy?
- 4:36SPEAKER_04: I was just kind of looking at them other dudes up north, and it's like we talk about like how you gotta play the games.
- 4:42SPEAKER_04: I didn't think the Green Bay Jets game was gonna be super close, but it's uh they ain't overtime, tired of 17.
- 4:48SPEAKER_04: It's just the way football goes, man.
- 4:50SPEAKER_04: But those championship teams find a way to win.
- 4:52SPEAKER_04: We had like three or four opportunities where we should have scored and we did not.
- 4:56SPEAKER_04: So you just gotta take that L, man, and have a short memory and start next week, man.
- 5:04SPEAKER_03: Yeah, great point.
- 5:06SPEAKER_03: It's let me get get all this back up on the screen.
- 5:10SPEAKER_03: There we go.
- 5:11SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, um, you know, coming in those conditions, the Bears defense, you gotta give them credit.
- 5:18SPEAKER_03: They, you know, other than a turnover, they did everything they could to keep this a game where the Bears had opportunities.
- 5:25SPEAKER_03: They even put the Bears in an opportunity position at the end of the game.
- 5:29SPEAKER_03: And uh thing I will say is I know every once in a while last year, um, we would get get comments about you know Tyson Bajan, and I think he's a pretty pretty good backup quarterback, but you could see in some of those throws why he might, you know, that he doesn't necessarily, I would say, have an NFL arm, at least for Chicago.
- 5:55SPEAKER_03: I say that for Chicago, because even that Ron Medulze played, I was sitting up there like, whoa, come down, come down, come down, because that ball seemed like it was flowing forever.
- 6:03SPEAKER_03: When Rome did a great job of shielding off the defenders to catch that ball, and even that ball to Luther, you know, that was you know fortunate on that play because that ball kind of hung up there as well, and the guy uh stepped out of bounds.
- 6:17SPEAKER_03: So I think in these, um but that last play, like that will say, you can't take a sack right there.
- 6:24SPEAKER_03: You you got at least throw.
- 6:25SPEAKER_03: I mean, even if you're getting hit, throwing it, or you end up getting picked, you're the backup quarterback.
- 6:31SPEAKER_03: Hey, if the game ends with a pick on you, it just it just happened.
- 6:34SPEAKER_03: You can't stay there and just get sacked.
- 6:37SPEAKER_01: You're right.
- 6:38SPEAKER_01: You know, uh that was Tyson Bage's job to actually get the ball to the end zone.
- 6:43SPEAKER_01: You never know.
- 6:44SPEAKER_01: At that point, it's a jump ball.
- 6:46SPEAKER_01: Uh you're going to uh issue of numbers.
- 6:49SPEAKER_01: Do you have more offensive players in the end zone?
- 6:52SPEAKER_01: Then they have defensive players, they can call a penalty.
- 6:55SPEAKER_01: It can be deflected, anything.
- 6:57SPEAKER_01: So you have to give yourself an opportunity uh for for your teammates to make a play.
- 7:02SPEAKER_01: I was a little bit concerned with that, though, as we talked about it at the beginning of this, that they had their top wide receiver, Colsland Lovelin, blocking a defensive end on that last play, Turner.
- 7:16SPEAKER_01: And then he actually ended up being run over and gave up the sack.
- 7:20SPEAKER_01: So uh, you know, there was some questionable calls that we made from a coaching standpoint.
- 7:26SPEAKER_01: Um, Ben Johnson has been anointed, and we've all we're all very happy with him for the most part, but he's he does have some some issues where he doesn't have uh a lot of vision.
- 7:38SPEAKER_01: You know, with a game like that, uh NFC uh north, it's gonna be a knockdown slug, uh knockdown drag out game more often than not.
- 7:49SPEAKER_01: So, you know, early on you might say, let's go forward on fourth.
- 7:53SPEAKER_01: After a while, you have to say, okay, this is a different kind of game.
- 7:56SPEAKER_01: I still got to get us in a position where we can win at the end.
- 8:00SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, because that that that play you're referring to is this is when you got that extra chance.
- 8:06SPEAKER_03: This this is when everything goes wrong.
- 8:08SPEAKER_03: Could it look like it's about to go in your favor, right?
- 8:11SPEAKER_03: Because you actually have a play that comes up short and it uh it ends up being they put one more second on the clock for you to run another play, so you get you get one more opportunity.
- 8:24SPEAKER_03: That's when you do just gotta throw it up, right?
- 8:26SPEAKER_03: Because you got an opportunity for another play that you wasn't gonna have at all.
- 8:32SPEAKER_03: Uh in that player, uh, I thought the Bears, anyway, the summary of the game itself.
- 8:39SPEAKER_03: Stevenson did a and it could be weather conditioned as well.
- 8:42SPEAKER_03: Stevenson did a good job on Jefferson today.
- 8:44SPEAKER_03: He he actually covered him pretty well.
- 8:49SPEAKER_03: Uh Aaron Jones, I think, had a good game rushing, but at the most part, when you keep a team out from not scoring, your defense did a good job offensively.
- 8:58SPEAKER_03: I just thought Ben Johnson didn't make any adjustments for the crowded lines they was getting until he did that one screenplay, which would have been that that drive where um I guess where Caleb ended up getting hurt.
- 9:11SPEAKER_03: I think that's the same drive where Caleb ended up getting hurt, where they run the screenplay to Swift.
- 9:15SPEAKER_03: And that looked like that's one of the few times that they actually adjusted to all the pressure that they would bring.
- 9:20SPEAKER_03: So they're gonna have to know that um they won't have to figure out what to do at left tackle because between uh Benedict and Braxton Jones, neither one of them looked any good today at left tackle.
- 9:35SPEAKER_01: Well, the other thing that didn't look good uh today, we we kept trying to run the ball early on, and we were committed to running the ball to the left.
- 9:44SPEAKER_01: You know, like hey, you know, we we know we got two almost 300 yards last week, but this week we're gonna we're gonna exploit it on the on the left, and the left is nowhere near as good and powerful as we're talking about on the right with you know Jonah Jackson and and Darnell Wright.
- 10:00SPEAKER_01: John L.
- 10:01SPEAKER_01: Wright is a beast.
- 10:02SPEAKER_01: There's a reason that we run to the left when we get all of these yards, and that reason is that dude over there at offensive tackle, he's already an all-pro uh type guy.
- 10:13SPEAKER_01: So regardless, you know, you have to you have to actually feed him and and get him his opportunities to to make some of the devastating blocks that he continues to make.
- 10:23SPEAKER_04: You know what I'm worried about.
- 10:24SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm worried about Bayent.
- 10:27SPEAKER_04: I mean, Baige is a good quarterback, don't get me wrong.
- 10:30SPEAKER_04: But we saw this when Fields was here, where they put him in, he's very serviceable, 10, 15, 17 yards.
- 10:39SPEAKER_04: Then he gets a play that's over 25 yards or so to zip, or you know, put something on it.
- 10:45SPEAKER_04: And it comes out like a duck, man.
- 10:47SPEAKER_04: He reminds me of that guy at Harlem Knights, where everybody's shooting with him big guns and he put out their little gun and go, I think he I I don't I don't have a problem with a player.
- 10:58SPEAKER_04: I think he's he's really he's really good, but the problem is he's in situations where they're trying to, you know, he's trying to throw a ball further than he is or harder than he has the capacity to.
- 11:10SPEAKER_04: But I mean, I hope we can then like you were talking about the uh the block that um oh man, I'm getting old, man.
- 11:17SPEAKER_04: I tight the Loveland hat.
- 11:19SPEAKER_04: They tell you to block, which is fine, but you gotta block him.
- 11:24SPEAKER_04: That's a whole nother story, right there, man.
- 11:26SPEAKER_04: It's just you know, it's everything just went wrong.
- 11:29SPEAKER_04: The weather was funky, the team was funky.
- 11:31SPEAKER_04: It's just one of those things, man.
- 11:33SPEAKER_04: Like I said, we gotta have a memory event and just go and just you know, the penalties you can't clean up the penalties.
- 11:38SPEAKER_03: They had a lot of penalties last week, they had a lot of penalties this game.
- 11:42SPEAKER_03: I believe it was eight penalties for 58 yards.
- 11:46SPEAKER_03: And one series, this is how bad things, like I said, this is kind of like the Murphy's Law game for the Bears.
- 11:53SPEAKER_03: The Bears get in what's possibly field goal position, they might need a few more yards because of the condition.
- 11:59SPEAKER_03: But next thing you look around, it's second and it's first and 15.
- 12:05SPEAKER_03: Then they run a play, then it's second and 20.
- 12:08SPEAKER_03: The next thing you look around, it's second and 30, five.
- 12:12SPEAKER_03: Like, I mean, so then you get some of the yards back, then you have a penalty again where it ended up being like I think it ended up being like 30, 30, third and 30 or something, right?
- 12:24SPEAKER_03: And they ended up going for maybe need five to seven yards to be in a good field goal position early in the game to actually ended up punting the ball in that situation.
- 12:34SPEAKER_03: And also when you look at they had that the blocked field goal, they showed a clip where the first one was almost blocked, it was just barely inches from being blocked the first time.
- 12:45SPEAKER_03: So you have to be able to make those corrections uh during the play of a game when you see something like that.
- 12:50SPEAKER_03: You can't just say, Oh, we got it off and it was fine.
- 12:52SPEAKER_03: No, because the team was gonna come back.
- 12:54SPEAKER_03: And if you think about it, the Vikings have a history of blocking Bears field goals.
- 13:00SPEAKER_04: You know what's funny too.
- 13:01SPEAKER_04: I'm looking at this.
- 13:03SPEAKER_04: If you didn't watch the game and you just looked at the team stats, you'd have thought the Bears won.
- 13:08SPEAKER_04: The only discrepancy is the two turnovers.
- 13:10SPEAKER_04: We had the ball for like five minutes more.
- 13:13SPEAKER_04: We had 17 first downs to 11.
- 13:16SPEAKER_04: Uh, we were two or three in the red zone, uh, 297 yards against that 246.
- 13:22SPEAKER_04: So it's like one of those games, man, where it's really, really close.
- 13:26SPEAKER_04: As I said before, the championship teams win those games, man.
- 13:29SPEAKER_04: We got to start getting into that, just understand that we're not gonna bust 59 on everybody.
- 13:34SPEAKER_04: We may not be able to hold a team under 24 points, but we just need to be one point better, and we just need to learn how to just not be in situations where we're fumbling balls or dropping balls or having penalties.
- 13:47SPEAKER_01: Well, I think this game was a little bit more realistic of what we'll see for the rest of the season, where you know, teams are figuring out things about how to stop us from an offensive standpoint, and defense is gonna have to, you know, run some amoeba defenses or whatever, and kind of put stuff together as as they can.
- 14:05SPEAKER_01: Uh, Tyree Stevenson, as much as we, you know, he's as much malign as is Jalen Johnson, but they actually had a good game today.
- 14:14SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, one of the things I'm concerned about, and we've talked about this in the past, is the the training staff because we're talking about these lower body uh injuries.
- 14:24SPEAKER_01: If you recall, not only did Ty did um Caleb William go out today, but Tyreek Stevenson also went out with a lower body injury at the end of the game.
- 14:35SPEAKER_01: So I'm not sure why that keeps biting us, but it is what it is.
- 14:40SPEAKER_03: Yeah, hey uh Mark Mark said the penalties uh uh were atrocious.
- 14:45SPEAKER_03: They were uh Bradbury is a huge liability so far.
- 14:49SPEAKER_03: I agree.
- 14:49SPEAKER_03: He he got hold for of those eight penalties.
- 14:53SPEAKER_03: I think I think three of them were on him.
- 14:56SPEAKER_03: They got eight penalties, and I think three were on Bradbury.
- 15:00SPEAKER_03: One was a hold, and it did clearly was a hold.
- 15:02SPEAKER_03: He actually grabbed the guy's leg, like he almost like tackling him, and he had two other ones for sure.
- 15:09SPEAKER_03: I think you had uh maybe two uh illegal motion, uh illegal formation penalties.
- 15:17SPEAKER_03: I think you had three uh three on uh Bradbury.
- 15:20SPEAKER_03: You had two illegal um illegal um motion or whatever, uh illegal formation.
- 15:26SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, illegal formation.
- 15:28SPEAKER_03: Illegal formations could be questionable.
- 15:30SPEAKER_03: Uh legal formation could actually be either it could sometimes be on the quarterback as well, because sometimes illegal formation could be the guy doesn't get set.
- 15:38SPEAKER_03: On this point, one of those illegal formations was on the tight end because he clearly was set, he has to know he he has to be on the line on that play because it wasn't like the ball was snapped right away.
- 15:50SPEAKER_03: He looked at it and still lined up improperly.
- 15:54SPEAKER_01: Well, he also had a false start uh from a center, he's the only one that moved, so that made us look bad.
- 16:01SPEAKER_01: So, from a penalty standpoint, but even worse than that, without the penalties, he wasn't getting any kind of leverage, he wasn't getting any kind of push on the running plays, and on the passing plays, he kept getting pushed back.
- 16:15SPEAKER_01: So, you know, at this point, uh it might be time to look at the second-round draft choice, Logan.
- 16:21SPEAKER_01: He's supposed to be a much better center.
- 16:24SPEAKER_01: Um, I I know Brad Very's uh is a vet and everything, but he does not look good.
- 16:30SPEAKER_01: He's kind of been anointed as the guy that's gonna be a center this year, and uh he looks to be more of a liability than uh than an asset, as far as I'm concerned.
- 16:40SPEAKER_04: It's like he looks like he's mentally, he's not mentally there, he's just there and doesn't necessarily want to be there.
- 16:46SPEAKER_04: It's like these type of lapses from a vet that's not acceptable, man.
- 16:50SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's not acceptable from anybody, but I just hear Bradbury.
- 16:54SPEAKER_04: Bradbury.
- 16:55SPEAKER_04: I'm like in my mind, I was thinking, man, Ben about to snatch him, and he didn't.
- 16:58SPEAKER_04: But I guess when he had that type of attrition, all you got is all you got, you know.
- 17:03SPEAKER_01: But when I was watching Bradbury, I was like, is he playing in the Super Bowl again?
- 17:08SPEAKER_01: Because last Super Bowl, he was the one that was getting blown up play after play after play.
- 17:16SPEAKER_01: So I was like, hey, we keep this up, we could maybe we can make the Super Bowl too.
- 17:23SPEAKER_01: Could be, yeah, but this was his old team, too.
- 17:27SPEAKER_01: So if nothing else, from a prize standpoint, right?
- 17:30SPEAKER_01: He should have been fired up and wanted to show them that they they messed up by letting him go.
- 17:35SPEAKER_01: But it looked like they knew exactly what they was doing when they let him go.
- 17:39SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
- 17:40SPEAKER_03: I would say he's probably starting over the rookie center.
- 17:44SPEAKER_03: Somebody just mentioned about Bradbury always been.
- 17:46SPEAKER_03: He he he one of the things was concerned about him was how he gets zero push, even at the Patriots.
- 17:53SPEAKER_03: But the reason he probably gets the nod is it's a whole lot for a rookie center to come in and be able to start the first week, right?
- 18:02SPEAKER_03: Because they they don't know all the protections, they still trying to learn the playbook, they may be still gaining some kind of strength.
- 18:10SPEAKER_03: But if Bradbury keeps this up, this is gonna be you know, I guess back uh what's it the showtime of Apollo?
- 18:17SPEAKER_03: Well, what's it but what's the guy that's sandman come out at this game, get your field gonna go up.
- 18:30SPEAKER_01: You know what though, fellas.
- 18:32SPEAKER_01: One of the things I'm thinking about is I actually like the rookies getting out there, the younger guys, because that's actually gives us more of a good foundation for the future.
- 18:41SPEAKER_01: Today, on defense, for example, the top players were thin and Muhammad.
- 18:51SPEAKER_01: Those two rookies are what made the game at least be competitive.
- 18:56SPEAKER_01: So, as far as I'm concerned, if we need to put another rookie out there at center and somebody else that's got youth and and vigor, then you know maybe that's what we need to do.
- 19:07SPEAKER_04: Yeah, if we're going for the long run, it would be beneficial to us to get them some tick now.
- 19:12SPEAKER_04: Because if we do get to get to the playoffs and we start going deep, now we got options.
- 19:17SPEAKER_04: You know, Bradbury gets two quick whistles in a playoff game.
- 19:20SPEAKER_04: You got the comfort of yanking them all, or better yet, just knowing you're in a playoff game, but just say here, just hold this clipboard real quick.
- 19:26SPEAKER_01: Look, man, Bradbury was standing outside on the 103rd outside Gately Stadium, and a bunch of people was running his pockets.
- 19:34SPEAKER_01: He was standing up there, like, hey, somebody help me.
- 19:37SPEAKER_01: People are putting their hands in his pocket, and he was on the phone talking about mama, mama.
- 19:42SPEAKER_01: What do I do?
- 19:44SPEAKER_01: I don't expect that out of no Avenger, man.
- 19:47SPEAKER_01: Yo, he he replaced what uh he replaced the Hulk.
- 19:50SPEAKER_01: What is his superpower, man?
- 19:52SPEAKER_01: It can't be intelligence.
- 19:54SPEAKER_01: I don't I don't need a superpower with somebody that's just smart.
- 19:58SPEAKER_01: I need somebody who can fight, man.
- 20:00SPEAKER_01: Forget all of that.
- 20:01SPEAKER_04: He can stand still and you can't make him flinch.
- 20:07SPEAKER_03: You know what?
- 20:08SPEAKER_03: This is something I just looked at, and this is interesting.
- 20:10SPEAKER_03: Is showing how the difference of execution and lack of execution and things going wrong between the two Bears running back, they had one less carry than they did last week.
- 20:21SPEAKER_03: They had eight 28 carries between the two of them, and they one had what I lost my pay.
- 20:28SPEAKER_03: Look like one had 45 yards, the other one had about like 47 yards.
- 20:37SPEAKER_03: Okay, so if you look at that, and Caleb threw for what 26 passes today last week.
- 20:42SPEAKER_03: Uh, I think he had attempted 26 times.
- 20:45SPEAKER_03: Last week he had 29 attempts.
- 20:48SPEAKER_03: So if you look at like you had mentioned, guy, the time of possession, if you don't see the game, you would think that the Bears are winning this game, right?
- 20:56SPEAKER_03: Because they dominate the time possession as far as how both offenses were kind of pathetic.
- 21:02SPEAKER_03: They even actually had more yards on the ground, they have more yards in the air.
- 21:06SPEAKER_03: But it doesn't matter if you don't convert those into points, right?
- 21:10SPEAKER_03: Points is what really count.
- 21:12SPEAKER_03: That's why I always say a lot of times stats, you know, I agree with Dick, the stats are for losing in some situations, right?
- 21:17SPEAKER_03: Because you the the only stat that makes a difference is wins and losses at the most part.
- 21:23SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it kind of hurt that you know, we got the ball on the one-yard line, and we expected the score.
- 21:29SPEAKER_01: We fully expected to do that, and you know, Swift let us down that particular game.
- 21:36SPEAKER_01: But you know, this guy, he's a warrior.
- 21:38SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, I'm not gonna you know jump on him, I'm not gonna eat his lunch or whatever because uh he uh that one fumble.
- 21:45SPEAKER_01: He came back and he's uh he's a player.
- 21:48SPEAKER_01: So I like to see that that ball being given to Manungai only because he's a little bit more of a of a gutter rat, if you will.
- 21:57SPEAKER_01: He gets the ball, he's gonna figure out at the very least.
- 22:01SPEAKER_01: He's not gonna fumble the ball, and I think they jinxed us today, talking about he hadn't fumbled since high school.
- 22:07SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Why you gotta say that?
- 22:09SPEAKER_01: What you gotta tell everybody's business.
- 22:15SPEAKER_03: He still didn't fumble, but you know what?
- 22:16SPEAKER_03: The Bears are has to address, they have to address the fumbling issue, though.
- 22:21SPEAKER_03: Last week they had a fumble on the first drive.
- 22:24SPEAKER_03: This week you have a fumble on the goal line.
- 22:27SPEAKER_03: You have to address the fumbling because fumbling, you can see, is the difference between a touchdown or not a touchdown or a first down.
- 22:37SPEAKER_03: And when you got different players fumbling now, last week that's why I say you got to address it.
- 22:43SPEAKER_03: Swift fumbled last week as well, but they was fortunate they fell on the ball, they they recovered it.
- 22:49SPEAKER_03: So he's gonna, as much as I'm praising him last week and all that, you gotta protect the ball better than that, Swift, because it's two weeks in a row that the ball got put on the ground by you.
- 22:59SPEAKER_03: And if you don't, and but that's across the board, you have to get ball security when you have the ball protect, even if you end up being short on the first down, it's better to protect the ball and be short than to fumble the ball, and you give up all the stuff you just worked for, or you give up maybe a possible field goal.
- 23:20SPEAKER_01: Yeah, one of the things I used to love as a defensive player is playing in the mud.
- 23:24SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, the receivers weren't as fast as they were.
- 23:27SPEAKER_01: Of course, your footing isn't any better than anybody else's footing, but it's harder for them to make catches.
- 23:32SPEAKER_01: So as soon as they put their hand on the ball, the ball's wet, it's going all over the place.
- 23:38SPEAKER_01: It's easier for you to kind of draw the ball loose.
- 23:40SPEAKER_01: So, you know, from a defender's standpoint, you know, you love playing in the mud for the most part.
- 23:45SPEAKER_01: Uh, although, you know, it was kind of one of those really messed up games where you know it is what it was.
- 23:54SPEAKER_01: It is.
- 23:54SPEAKER_01: It ended up raining the whole game.
- 23:57SPEAKER_01: Uh, me and Quick were going through a little of an argument, uh, talking about if you catch the if the ball hits your hand, you're supposed to catch it.
- 24:05SPEAKER_01: In those conditions, you know, I had to be a little bit more uh forgiving.
- 24:10SPEAKER_01: It's hard to catch the ball, especially with those gloves on and all of that stuff.
- 24:15SPEAKER_01: This is one of those things where you might have to go back to old school, take the gloves up, and just try to catch it with your hands.
- 24:21SPEAKER_04: So, oh hey, check this out.
- 24:23SPEAKER_04: He just said, Not sure if you saw it.
- 24:25SPEAKER_04: Caleb is walking under his own power without a noticeable lunch.
- 24:28SPEAKER_04: Man, amen.
- 24:29SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if he tried to turn those jets on, it's gonna get ugly.
- 24:32SPEAKER_04: So well, let's just see how he feels tomorrow.
- 24:34SPEAKER_04: I know he's gonna be sore, but what are they gonna find when they do the MRI?
- 24:38SPEAKER_04: Hopefully, it's just something that they find, just a bad bruise or something.
- 24:41SPEAKER_04: But like I said, Plank, you had injuries like that before, so you pretty much kind of get a gauge of you tore yours, correct?
- 24:49SPEAKER_04: Yep, okay.
- 24:50SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, so that's man.
- 24:54SPEAKER_01: Well, the problem with lower extremity injuries and all of that is if you tear it, you have to build it up and make it stronger than it was before you tore.
- 25:05SPEAKER_01: So you're not starting out at zero, you're starting off at negative 50.
- 25:10SPEAKER_01: So that's why the whole process takes so much longer uh to build and and to get you back to the same street.
- 25:18SPEAKER_01: You actually got to be stronger than you were before you tore it.
- 25:21SPEAKER_01: Sorry, Bernard, go ahead and you were making a point.
- 25:24SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would say, man, that's good news.
- 25:26SPEAKER_03: Uh hopefully, that's good news.
- 25:28SPEAKER_03: I would say still, best case scenario would be he's not playing this week for sure.
- 25:33SPEAKER_03: That's best case scenario, right?
- 25:36SPEAKER_03: And if it's something where they but you're gonna miss at least a week for sure, if it's nothing serious, so that that's best case optimistic, right?
- 25:44SPEAKER_03: I I'm more leaning towards what Planck's saying, right, is gonna be something, and what you don't want to do is play with a hamstring where you let a guy play, then they hurt it worse, right?
- 25:58SPEAKER_03: Or they play and they didn't have to miss a game, then it lingers around all season.
- 26:04SPEAKER_03: Yeah, better off sometimes.
- 26:05SPEAKER_03: Letting the guy sit if it's not serious, you let them sit after two to three games and just let them work it, and then game three or four, you see how they feel and if they could go versus trying to rush them back.
- 26:16SPEAKER_03: Hey, this is why you get 10, you get paid 10 million dollars as a backup.
- 26:20SPEAKER_03: You got to come in and you have to come in and earn your dollars, and you have to be able to move this offense, and teams are not gonna let you throw these five to seven-yard passes because you can't really get no velocity on them up the field.
- 26:38SPEAKER_03: You're playing in Chicago again, I believe.
- 26:40SPEAKER_03: I think it's another home game, so you may have bad weather condition.
- 26:44SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it may not be raining, but you may have wind.
- 26:46SPEAKER_03: You you gotta be able to play through that.
- 26:47SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah, it reduced the scoring, but I I want my backup quarterback to be able to, you know, get it downfield if he have to on plays because if not, they're just gonna sit on those short routes and they're gonna bless you, show you eight-man fronts, and they're gonna they they're gonna dare you to throw at 15 yards.
- 27:06SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, think about it.
- 27:07SPEAKER_01: The Bears backup quarterbacks, we have a probably one of the better uh quarterback rooms in the NFL.
- 27:13SPEAKER_01: Um, Tyson Bajan is next man up, and you know, I know he's he's worked hard and and all of those stuff, all those things.
- 27:21SPEAKER_01: He's a grinder, but I'm actually still excited that we have case Keenum to go through.
- 27:26SPEAKER_01: Case Keenum is a uh uh very seasoned veteran, he's got an NFL arm, and if necessary, you know, he can come in a game and get you uh get you a couple wins.
- 27:37SPEAKER_04: But you know, but don't let's not even you know let people I don't want to have people think that I'm down on uh Beijing's arm.
- 27:45SPEAKER_04: It's not that, it's just putting him in situations because I know a particular quarterback that had an arm just like his.
- 27:50SPEAKER_04: He got four Super Bowls.
- 27:51SPEAKER_04: Joe Montana, yeah.
- 27:53SPEAKER_04: Joe Montana would lost some up, but you know, but by the same token, man, this kid, I I I I do have faith that he's gonna be okay.
- 28:02SPEAKER_04: They're gonna have a week to think about and practice together, let him get some reps in, man.
- 28:07SPEAKER_04: Just gonna stay positive, just hope he they can just hold the fourth down till Caleb gets back.
- 28:11SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
- 28:12SPEAKER_01: I think what's happening with Tyson Bailey, uh uh Bayent is he's kind of an anticipation thrower uh from an NFL standpoint.
- 28:22SPEAKER_01: So he's gonna, if he sees the receiver and knows where he's gonna be, he can get the ball there with some accuracy, and that's not a problem.
- 28:29SPEAKER_01: His issue is he watches Caleb Williams in practice every day, and he sees the arm that Caleb has as well as the arm that uh Case Keenum has, and he tries to emulate that.
- 28:44SPEAKER_01: That's actually, you know, I'm not trying to denigrate the guy, anything like that, but he does not have the arm strength of those two guys.
- 28:52SPEAKER_01: He can he be a serviceable quarterback, absolutely.
- 28:56SPEAKER_01: Uh, he's one of the best backups.
- 28:58SPEAKER_01: I think he could actually start for a lot of these NFL teams today, but he's got to come to terms with knowing what his strengths are versus you know trying to be a replacement for Case Williams, they got a different skill set, yeah, yeah.
- 29:13SPEAKER_03: And it's it's tough.
- 29:15SPEAKER_03: Uh to me, the worst.
- 29:16SPEAKER_03: I always say this I hate playing football in rain.
- 29:21SPEAKER_03: It's the worst weather you could play in this rain.
- 29:23SPEAKER_03: Rain is the great equalizer.
- 29:25SPEAKER_03: You can't get separation because receivers can't really get traction.
- 29:29SPEAKER_03: If you got a running back that's kind of a uh you know, elusive back, he doesn't get traction.
- 29:36SPEAKER_03: Really, this game was made for Kyle Manonga, right?
- 29:39SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately, he had to go out for a while to be evaluated.
- 29:42SPEAKER_03: This is his kind of game, really.
- 29:43SPEAKER_03: A guy who's a downhill runner, because the downhill runner can get traction because they're running, you know, they're running, uh, they're running straight ahead.
- 29:54SPEAKER_03: They're not making, they're not running anything lateral.
- 29:57SPEAKER_03: But I did thought, like what Plank had mentioned that them trying to run to the left.
- 30:01SPEAKER_03: The problem with the left side of the Bears offense is of course Joe Tooney is on there, who's man, probably one of the best in the business.
- 30:10SPEAKER_03: But the problem is he's covered by two mediocre guys, the center is mediocre, or even worse than mediocre.
- 30:18SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
- 30:19SPEAKER_03: We'll see as the season goes, and then you got a left tackle.
- 30:23SPEAKER_03: So between the two, unless it's something that you're plowing right at him immediately, you got two guys that's liable to let your guy get folded right in between his back because he cannot take him.
- 30:36SPEAKER_03: And I just want to make one other point, Caleb.
- 30:39SPEAKER_03: Uh, in these two games, I've at least seen him throw flags for some type of rough in the quarterback.
- 30:47SPEAKER_03: The first two years of his career, I don't know how many hits he took that.
- 30:51SPEAKER_03: I don't think he got a penalty ever for roughing the quarterback, and to see him finally earn like he he's should get it, but that one play out of bounds.
- 31:01SPEAKER_03: That was a bogus call by the refs.
- 31:03SPEAKER_03: I mean, they give you at least a little bad of field position.
- 31:05SPEAKER_03: I mean, my man standing outside uh out of bounds with both uh uh both feet out of bounds.
- 31:11SPEAKER_03: So why?
- 31:12SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was ridiculous.
- 31:13SPEAKER_04: There, they're there.
- 31:14SPEAKER_04: Uh Caleb's getting his respect, man.
- 31:16SPEAKER_04: And I know it might be one of those unwritten or unseen rules that the rookies don't get the calls, but that's not just football, that's it every professional sport.
- 31:28SPEAKER_04: You know, you start to see Caleb get those calls that he didn't get last year.
- 31:32SPEAKER_04: Uh, that's a that's a great thing.
- 31:34SPEAKER_04: But something else that I'll put in the uh text we were talking about when when Caleb fumbled that ball and ran it, they showed it from the back.
- 31:41SPEAKER_04: Your boy Sam Rouse, that guy was coming in.
- 31:44SPEAKER_04: I know it was a linebacker coming straight through the hole, was this big to the left side, and all of a sudden I saw him disappear.
- 31:50SPEAKER_04: And I saw Sam Roush's number.
- 31:51SPEAKER_04: I was like, man, because had he not made that block, Caleb would have got popped.
- 31:56SPEAKER_01: Okay, yeah, but Narrat, I I think with your position on that, uh playing in the rain further illustrates the difference between offensive defense and defensive players.
- 32:08SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that you can't stand playing in the rain because I love it.
- 32:13SPEAKER_01: I love it.
- 32:14SPEAKER_01: All I gotta do is have the ball, not get a first down and drop to the ground.
- 32:19SPEAKER_01: That's that's much harder.
- 32:20SPEAKER_01: It's much harder for you because you have to catch the ball and secure it and all of that.
- 32:25SPEAKER_01: All I gotta do is stop you from catching it.
- 32:27SPEAKER_01: I love I say something.
- 32:29SPEAKER_04: I say that the conditions were bad, don't get me wrong.
- 32:32SPEAKER_04: They were bad, but they one, they were bad for both sides.
- 32:35SPEAKER_04: Number two, we Chicago, we end this.
- 32:38SPEAKER_04: This is nothing.
- 32:39SPEAKER_04: What 68 degrees, high humidity, raining?
- 32:43SPEAKER_04: Wait till it gets to be December, January.
- 32:46SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, anytime, regardless of what the weather is, that's something you can't control, but you should be used to it by now.
- 32:53SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
- 32:55SPEAKER_03: Uh uh, what's that?
- 32:56SPEAKER_03: Can can y'all yeah, can Yaman?
- 32:58SPEAKER_03: I hope I saying it right.
- 33:00SPEAKER_03: No matter what happened with Caleb over the next few weeks, it's time for the new leader, Tyson Beige, to step up.
- 33:04SPEAKER_03: Kid got a strong arm, his dad was the national uh wrestling uh champion.
- 33:09SPEAKER_03: He has to step up, and and you know what, he has to just do whatever amount of time Caleb is out, even if it's one game or if it's two games or whatever amount it is, your job as a backup quarterback is at a minimum, you have to at least win 50% of the games that you play in to actually be a quality backup, and um I I think he could get the job done.
- 33:36SPEAKER_03: My my concern is just would be in increment weather, how you know, like it was a windy day.
- 33:43SPEAKER_03: Uh, and I know a lot of times this perception when you start talking about uh when people say arm strength, I think some people argue arm strength about distance, it's really not distance, it's really about velocity, and to me, it is it's about velocity and tight windows.
- 34:00SPEAKER_03: That's the difference of it, right?
- 34:02SPEAKER_03: Where they say that one throw where Caleb throws it to I forget who it was, it was uh Roma Dunsey, and I think he ended up dropping it.
- 34:11SPEAKER_03: That play, that's the difference of arm strength.
- 34:14SPEAKER_03: That uh a guy who can't drill it there, he's not gonna throw it there.
- 34:18SPEAKER_03: So that they're gonna pass on that play because they can't drill that ball in the middle, and what you tend to see guys who have less velocity on their ball velocity, they tend to work outside the numbers more because inside the numbers is that not where their strength is at, and this is why you saw this with tour.
- 34:39SPEAKER_03: If you watch tour in Miami, most of his throws were real within seven or eight yards.
- 34:45SPEAKER_03: A lot of them was outside the numbers, and this is why he's not starting in a line.
- 34:50SPEAKER_03: We got to line it, they was like to do you like garbage.
- 34:54SPEAKER_03: You got garbage.
- 34:56SPEAKER_03: I think it's a linear way he went to, but uh like you got garbage.
- 35:00SPEAKER_01: Kenyama, I'm I'm not arguing whether or not uh I think uh Pajin is capable, he's extremely capable.
- 35:08SPEAKER_01: I'm glad that we have him on our team.
- 35:10SPEAKER_01: My my issue with him is I want him to be himself trying to lead the team as opposed to uh be be the guy that's the next one up replacing Caleb Williams.
- 35:22SPEAKER_01: They they've got kind of different skill sets, and it's you know, it's it's a little harder trying to be somebody else than it is trying to be yourself.
- 35:30SPEAKER_01: That's all.
- 35:31SPEAKER_01: I want him uh I believe he's strong.
- 35:33SPEAKER_01: I know he's a grinder, he's a heck of an athletic uh uh specimen.
- 35:40SPEAKER_01: However, as a quarterback, you have to know you know whether or not you can actually get the ball there uh when it's time to drill it versus you doing anticipatory uh throws.
- 35:52SPEAKER_04: It's cohesion, it's cohesion.
- 35:54SPEAKER_04: I can tell you how it goes from a baseball standpoint.
- 35:57SPEAKER_04: I knew some guys that could throw 350-foot balls from from like defense all the way to the catcher with no bounce.
- 36:04SPEAKER_04: You put them on the pitcher's mound, they throw 74 miles an hour.
- 36:08SPEAKER_04: I could get from the warning track to home in a bounce, but I was throwing high 80s.
- 36:14SPEAKER_04: So it's like with with Bajan, that's something that he can't help.
- 36:19SPEAKER_04: Now, if they had him throw a ball like far and it really wasn't about the speed, he could probably throw it 60 yards or something like that.
- 36:27SPEAKER_04: But we're talking about, like, say a John Lway, where John Lway could just basically zip a ball 15 yards and you know, through an eye of a needle quick, because that one microsecond, the lack of him having that that type of velocity in that particular sense, uh, makes a difference to get picked or not.
- 36:46SPEAKER_04: You know, I do think Beij is gonna be fine though.
- 36:48SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but I thought he did.
- 36:49SPEAKER_03: I thought I thought he did pretty good in the amount of time he got, other than that last play.
- 36:54SPEAKER_03: That last play, you just can't take a sack in that situation.
- 36:58SPEAKER_03: You have to like I said, hey, if you get up here to pick, I know it's it counts against you as a pick, and but you know what?
- 37:06SPEAKER_03: That guy didn't just beat his guy off the end, he actually pushed him back, pushed him back until he was able to get to the court.
- 37:14SPEAKER_03: So that means you either got to move off your spot or you gotta throw the ball.
- 37:18SPEAKER_03: He didn't either, he stayed on his spot and did not move, which made himself an easy target for a sack on that play.
- 37:27SPEAKER_03: But that also goes on what what was your check in that situation?
- 37:32SPEAKER_03: Um, I don't know if that was the play that was called because that was, or was that play just rush to the line because they got the one second back?
- 37:40SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure, right?
- 37:41SPEAKER_03: Because only thing I would think on that play was Coast and was trying to block him.
- 37:47SPEAKER_03: Was it yeah, that was Coaston, and I would I would assume that because of the way he was coming all game, he was he was all over, you know, he was chasing Caleb all game, and maybe they might have called this, or maybe they decided to like have him blocked to try to buy him some time.
- 38:02SPEAKER_03: But if you buy him some time, then you got to move to the right as a quarterback, you gotta move to the right.
- 38:07SPEAKER_03: If you get the snap, you gotta move to the right to create space for yourself.
- 38:11SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that last play has to end in the end zone, yeah.
- 38:14SPEAKER_01: It has to go to the end zone, so but something else we gotta do too, man.
- 38:18SPEAKER_04: You know, it's like yeah, we had our inefficiencies and stuff.
- 38:21SPEAKER_04: Well, let's look at what Minnesota did on defense, man.
- 38:24SPEAKER_04: These dudes I still don't know.
- 38:26SPEAKER_04: They'll say that let's put it this way it just seemed like every time I looked up, we had like covered receivers because I'm looking at Caleb, and Caleb just almost looked like frustrated.
- 38:37SPEAKER_04: It was almost like you saw him want to they want to snap the ball and want to zip it right in.
- 38:43SPEAKER_04: But I mean, but them to not be, I'm not saying that they're world beaters or anything, but on this particular day and those particular elements, Brian Brian Flores drew up a really good game player.
- 38:57SPEAKER_03: He he sure did both both quarterbacks were sacked three times in this game, and you also had a uh intentional ground and penalty as well, uh, which was generated from you know pressure of them being able to generate pressure on the quarterback, and the worst thing for a quarterback is is to not have time to set his feet.
- 39:20SPEAKER_03: Now, we can say those these were great dial-up plays because it's very rare that he was able to get to the top as drop without even having to just scoot up in the pocket and move because these guys were getting beat.
- 39:35SPEAKER_03: It they was getting beat from the point of the snap.
- 39:38SPEAKER_03: So uh you're gonna have to look at that because whatever I know every team had different personnel, but did the Vikings actually look at some issues that the Bears could have by lining up enough people to make it difficult for the Bears players to block.
- 39:57SPEAKER_03: So the Bears got to work on that as well.
- 39:59SPEAKER_03: But I'm gonna take one positive point from this game, uh, from offensive point of view.
- 40:05SPEAKER_03: I thought I thought that they were really concerned about Caleb, and I saw a play that was very interesting where the defender actually stopped.
- 40:15SPEAKER_03: He was rushing Caleb, yeah.
- 40:27SPEAKER_03: You know, but they ended up, you know, but rain is so hard to tell, right?
- 40:32SPEAKER_03: I mean, because rain he hate making up excuses for guys, but rain it is hard to catch the ball, and you didn't have a lot of drops, but you didn't have much separation really.
- 40:42SPEAKER_03: Because if that if the Bears had won this game today, it it would have had to have been on uh their defense.
- 40:50SPEAKER_03: I'm talking the way it was playing out, or it would have been on the legs of Caleb Williams, it wouldn't have been through the air, it would have had to be on the legs of Caleb Williams because even if you look at the play, he went down on it.
- 40:59SPEAKER_03: It looks like he gets in if he doesn't go down, you know.
- 41:03SPEAKER_03: But we never know at this point.
- 41:05SPEAKER_01: Hey, there was a day on the bingo sighting today, as well as uh uh Austin Booker.
- 41:11SPEAKER_01: You know, you had a couple defensive linemen other than sweat that actually came in and made some plays.
- 41:18SPEAKER_01: Also, I you know, I saw Vandenberg out there.
- 41:21SPEAKER_01: That dude he he did okay, and Lovling was actually getting a lot of push.
- 41:27SPEAKER_01: So uh from a defensive line standpoint, uh, we don't look as bad as people think we might look.
- 41:35SPEAKER_01: And I was kind of saying that before the game, anyway.
- 41:38SPEAKER_04: I just look at the state with real quick with the Cleveland Browns, man.
- 41:42SPEAKER_04: They have about four, but it's a delay of game.
- 41:45SPEAKER_04: It just goes to show you, like I said, man, the theme is on any given Sunday.
- 41:50SPEAKER_01: That's the story, you're right.
- 41:53SPEAKER_01: So this was not a given Sunday.
- 41:55SPEAKER_01: Hey, make my day.
- 41:56SPEAKER_01: Did Green Bay lose?
- 41:59SPEAKER_04: No, they won.
- 42:00SPEAKER_04: They kicked the field goal, man.
- 42:03SPEAKER_04: I know, I know, man, but hey, we can only control us, man.
- 42:16SPEAKER_01: I ain't got no shame in my game.
- 42:18SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
- 42:18SPEAKER_04: I'll be drinking beer, I'll be drinking beer all day, ginger beer.
- 42:24SPEAKER_04: No alcohol.
- 42:25SPEAKER_01: You don't drink all the beer, but you do prefer Dozeckies.
- 42:29SPEAKER_04: Okay, get this with the double X's.
- 42:34SPEAKER_04: No, I've always been like more of a social drinker, man.
- 42:37SPEAKER_04: I go muscle and not drink, but I felt the need to drink today, so I said I just have some regular regular ginger beer with no, it's no alcohol, so you know, I want to go and work sloppy and mad about losing.
- 42:50SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, but guy, uh hats off to you again for uh noticing uh thinner.
- 42:56SPEAKER_01: That dude was bringing the fun today, Jack Jack.
- 43:01SPEAKER_04: Yes, little Jack Jack.
- 43:03SPEAKER_04: Jack, man, that dude is it's just something about him that I like.
- 43:06SPEAKER_04: I like you know, you see guys that want to play like Sam Bourne.
- 43:10SPEAKER_04: I like Sam Bourne because he's not like what you say, the prototypical physical guy that's got the speed and stuff, but his mode is always going, he just maxes out what he has.
- 43:21SPEAKER_04: This kid right here needs to riddle it, man.
- 43:23SPEAKER_04: It just seemed like almost every play I see a 31 somewhere.
- 43:27SPEAKER_04: I'm like, man, I I just hope to see, and he's actually he actually tied with the lead for uh tackles today.
- 43:34SPEAKER_01: So yeah, the thing I like about him is when I see his his number come in at the end, you see a little pop, and the and the rest, everybody else goes backwards.
- 43:43SPEAKER_01: So I'm like, oh, he got a little stick to him too.
- 43:46SPEAKER_01: I like it.
- 43:46SPEAKER_04: And he fast too, man.
- 43:48SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm excited still, man.
- 43:50SPEAKER_04: Like I said, here's here's an interesting thing.
- 43:52SPEAKER_04: Had we won 10 to 9, the whole conversation would have been dominated on social media and sports shows.
- 44:00SPEAKER_04: About how bad the weather was.
- 44:02SPEAKER_04: Tomorrow it's gonna be about the inefficiencies, it just goes to show a W changes the dynamics of everything.
- 44:08SPEAKER_01: So, you know, tomorrow's gonna be about whether or not they you know the media has anointed the Bears to be this great team, or if whether the Bears have earned it, it's just one game, just like last week with just one game.
- 44:22SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, we gotta put together a better string of who we are.
- 44:26SPEAKER_01: At this point, we don't know if we're an offensive team or defensive team, so we gotta you know kind of marry both of those, and you know, I think that puts us in in a better position long term.
- 44:38SPEAKER_04: We should be a scoring Tampa Bay Buccaneers, yeah.
- 44:41SPEAKER_03: And you gotta still even last week we had a lot of penalties.
- 44:45SPEAKER_03: I just gotta can't stress that enough.
- 44:47SPEAKER_03: You gotta you gotta clean up the penalties because this plagued you through the first five games last year, and it's plaguing you again.
- 44:55SPEAKER_03: And one thing you don't want to do is putting your backup quarterback in second and 15 or third and 20 because you're having pre-snap penalties or uh formation penalties, right?
- 45:11SPEAKER_03: Like that matter.
- 45:12SPEAKER_03: I think one of the penalties the Bears had today, I think was a delayed game coming out of a uh timeout, I believe, or something like that, right?
- 45:19SPEAKER_03: Which was kind of right, and that's that's to me, that's kind of uncertainty of what you're seeing when you come.
- 45:27SPEAKER_03: When I say uncertainty, is the form whatever play you call when you got out there, the defense was not in what you thought, and people maybe taking too long to get into it, so you kind of like, man, we ought to maybe check out of this play, and then you look around, you lose time, but that's what something they could control.
- 45:45SPEAKER_03: They you could control, you should be able to control the pre-snap penalties, you know, like delayed gains.
- 45:52SPEAKER_03: You should be able to control the the uh illegal formation penalties.
- 45:57SPEAKER_03: Now, what you may not be able to control is the holding.
- 46:01SPEAKER_03: If your guy just getting beat, he probably gonna hold.
- 46:04SPEAKER_03: I mean, it is what it is, but if you got you probably just got to give him some help.
- 46:08SPEAKER_03: If he can't if he can't line up and contain this guy, he's probably gonna hold all game.
- 46:13SPEAKER_03: And yeah, uh, that's my concern.
- 46:16SPEAKER_03: Uh, who's the next game?
- 46:18SPEAKER_01: Uh Philadelphia or the the Jets.
- 46:22SPEAKER_01: Let's see.
- 46:23SPEAKER_01: I'll tell you in a second.
- 46:24SPEAKER_04: Jesus Lord have mercy.
- 46:26SPEAKER_01: I think it's the Jets.
- 46:27SPEAKER_04: I hope it is the Jets.
- 46:29SPEAKER_01: Which ain't no ain't no easy win.
- 46:31SPEAKER_01: No, the Jets just won today, didn't they?
- 46:33SPEAKER_04: They just won.
- 46:34SPEAKER_04: No, they lost.
- 46:35SPEAKER_04: They just lost Green Bay.
- 46:36SPEAKER_04: Green Bay.
- 46:37SPEAKER_03: Oh, oh, did they okay?
- 46:38SPEAKER_03: They had they had to lead at one point, didn't they?
- 46:40SPEAKER_03: In the game, I think it was 14 to 7 at one point.
- 46:43SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
- 46:44SPEAKER_04: Green Bay came and tied it up and they won overtime.
- 46:47SPEAKER_04: Uh okay, we got the Eagles here.
- 46:52SPEAKER_04: Then we got the Jets here.
- 46:55SPEAKER_04: So we got two straight home games, and then if that ain't enough, we go to Green Bay after that.
- 47:01SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah.
- 47:02SPEAKER_03: So that's that's gonna be a tough task.
- 47:04SPEAKER_03: You got to come with a good, a good, good offensive game plan to uh make sure you put your quarterback in favorable positions and do like maybe you did last year.
- 47:15SPEAKER_03: You're gonna have to pound that rock like you did last year, and of course, I'm sure the Eagles were embarrassed, man, last year.
- 47:23SPEAKER_03: On how how bad they just you know got manhandled in that game, you know, not being able to stop the run.
- 47:30SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's gonna be payback time, so we're gonna see what they could what they come with.
- 47:36SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you just talk about Jay, man.
- 47:38SPEAKER_04: I bet Jay so doggone hot.
- 47:40SPEAKER_04: He took all that food he cooked that was cold and just stuck in the palm of his hands, and it was sizzling.
- 47:47SPEAKER_04: If Jay was on here, Jay would go nuclear.
- 47:50SPEAKER_01: I know he is.
- 47:51SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my my man is gonna need a couple minutes to get that Thanos glove off.
- 47:55SPEAKER_04: Man, he's gonna need two of them.
- 47:57SPEAKER_04: He's gonna need one of them right.
- 48:01SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be a shared thing this this week.
- 48:04SPEAKER_03: Anyone traveling to Atlanta for the game?
- 48:07SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately, I'm gonna be in Atlanta, not for the game, I'm gonna be there four days before the game, so there's no way I'm gonna be able to make it back to Atlanta again because I have I have an event going on in Atlanta that I'm going down to, so I'm actually I know I'm gonna miss it.
- 48:22SPEAKER_01: Maybe you end up being stranded and can't make it back, right?
- 48:27SPEAKER_03: Right.
- 48:29SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so uh man, you know what?
- 48:31SPEAKER_03: Let's look at some grades.
- 48:34SPEAKER_03: You know what?
- 48:34SPEAKER_03: I I'll start with the positive.
- 48:37SPEAKER_03: I I'm gonna give man the I'm gonna give the defense, I'm gonna have to give them an A because if you held a team to nine points, you did pretty good, man.
- 48:47SPEAKER_03: And you you I mean you didn't get any turnovers, but you did good, man.
- 48:51SPEAKER_03: You held a team to just field goals.
- 48:54SPEAKER_03: They were definitely in a few times in positions where you thought they was gonna get a touchdown, and whatever the Bears did, they end up and you in that last drive, you were able to uh stop them where your team could actually get another opportunity.
- 49:09SPEAKER_03: They kicked the field goal.
- 49:10SPEAKER_03: So that definitely looked like that was a going to be one of those situations where they was gonna get a touchdown, and you was able to get that stop where there was a even with them taking a field goal, you were able to burn your time out and still have adequate enough to drive down the field because I think you by time they put it to you, it was about like a minute over a minute left.
- 49:31SPEAKER_03: So that means the DG defense did a good job in that situation.
- 49:34SPEAKER_03: The Bears offense, they're gonna get a man, they get an F today.
- 49:39SPEAKER_03: Um, three points in the game is not good enough.
- 49:42SPEAKER_03: Uh, both teams play with the same conditions.
- 49:45SPEAKER_03: You you hurt your own self uh by all the penalties that drove you back on your offense.
- 49:50SPEAKER_03: You had key drops, you had a key drop by San Rouse where he's walking in the end zone, he drops it, he drops another first down play.
- 49:58SPEAKER_03: You also uh you allow I know that's fourth down.
- 50:02SPEAKER_03: Fourth down, I know they say special teams, but it's essentially the first you know.
- 50:05SPEAKER_03: You get a field, you get a field goal block, you you know you you sabotage your own success today, so they get an F.
- 50:14SPEAKER_03: Um coaching D.
- 50:18SPEAKER_03: Coaching is a D.
- 50:21SPEAKER_04: I can't get a coach and a D, and only reason why is because I'm averaging it out because the defense got an A.
- 50:27SPEAKER_04: Uh, we got an F.
- 50:29SPEAKER_04: Well, I say like a C minus.
- 50:31SPEAKER_04: Maybe a D.
- 50:32SPEAKER_04: No, yeah, maybe coaching.
- 50:33SPEAKER_04: I give them a C minus.
- 50:35SPEAKER_04: Offense gets you already, well, yeah, you know, that's that uh defense A uh special teams I probably get like a B.
- 50:45SPEAKER_04: You know, they weren't great, but they it wasn't what skilled us either, too.
- 50:50SPEAKER_01: So uh I disagree.
- 50:52SPEAKER_04: You disagree?
- 50:54SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they gave up their block.
- 50:55SPEAKER_04: I'm giving oh yeah, oh yeah, I forgot about that.
- 50:59SPEAKER_04: I completely got a lot of things.
- 50:59SPEAKER_04: I'm giving offense an F.
- 51:02SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm giving offense an F.
- 51:04SPEAKER_01: Uh there's no way you come off a high of 59 points and you come back the next game and score three.
- 51:12SPEAKER_01: You know, that that's definitely a disconnect uh from expectations for yourselves as well as expectations for you know what it looks like to be a successful team.
- 51:22SPEAKER_01: Um from a defensive standpoint, I'm gonna give the defense an A.
- 51:27SPEAKER_01: You know, me and Quick have been arguing about this for years, that every time I give the defense an A, you know, I'm off my rocker or whatever.
- 51:36SPEAKER_01: But they they held an F NFL team to nine points, so that was good.
- 51:40SPEAKER_01: Coaching, I'm giving uh Ben Johnson, he gets an F uh on this game because he was he was uh outthought, out-strategized.
- 51:52SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, Brian uh Flores was way ahead of him the whole doggone game.
- 51:58SPEAKER_01: Dennis Allen, I'm gonna give him a B, uh B plus, maybe, because he had he did have offense in a great uh in a great position.
- 52:06SPEAKER_01: Matter of fact, I'm gonna get Dennis Allen Allen an A.
- 52:09SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
- 52:09SPEAKER_01: Uh Richard Hightower on the special teams, they get a C minus because at the end of the day, that blocked field goal took us out of a position to tie the game up at 6-6 as bad as we had been playing.
- 52:24SPEAKER_01: So had we had uh a basic um special team, we're kicking the ball, what, 25 yards, and that gets blocked, that's unacceptable.
- 52:35SPEAKER_01: So uh that's kind of my assessment of that.
- 52:38SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
- 52:39SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that was not a long field goal attempt.
- 52:42SPEAKER_03: You should be able to get that off because you don't have to drive it.
- 52:46SPEAKER_03: And it's blocked from a guy off the edge.
- 52:48SPEAKER_03: It's not like you know, like sometimes when you're kicking far, right, and you're trying to drive it more, and it's a guy in the middle, kind of drop, you know, blocks the ball because it's the trajectory is low.
- 52:59SPEAKER_03: This is a guy off the edge that's blocked it, which like I said, if you look at it historically, the Vikings have found something they're blocking the Bears field goals going back to two seasons ago of where them coming off the edge and blocking that.
- 53:19SPEAKER_03: So I know it's not, I don't think it's all the same coaches in the Bears at the since then, but still high tower.
- 53:24SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's still high towel, you're correct.
- 53:26SPEAKER_03: It's still high towel.
- 53:27SPEAKER_03: So that's something that they are seeing in your formations that they've had success in recent years.
- 53:37SPEAKER_03: Matter of fact, I think they even blocked one three years ago.
- 53:42SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, we gotta finish this up so I can go and start drinking.
- 53:46SPEAKER_01: I'm about to be an alcoholic and start drinking.
- 53:48SPEAKER_01: I know since one years I haven't ever drank anything, but today I'm drinking forget.
- 53:55SPEAKER_04: Try ginger beer.
- 53:56SPEAKER_04: You try some ginger beer, it's non-alcoholic, and it's got real ginger.
- 54:02SPEAKER_01: I want to be on the side of the road with my little my little bag of whatever I'm drinking, and just wallow in my pill sorrow.
- 54:14SPEAKER_03: You know, it's funny, it's off the subject when you said about crying uh earlier.
- 54:19SPEAKER_03: Man, you know what must have says to uh the brother from Chicago, Mojo Brooks.
- 54:24SPEAKER_03: I actually started following Mojo Brooks years ago when he was making content about the Bears, and he'll be crying after the game, and like, hey, y'all don't know what it's like, right?
- 54:35SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but that's when I first started following him.
- 54:38SPEAKER_03: But uh, I see he has a neck, he he's gonna he got a Netflix special, but anybody brought him up.
- 54:44SPEAKER_03: Like, I can't wait to see his video because I know he's uh because he's a die hard bears fan.
- 54:48SPEAKER_03: I know when I was at the uh draft that they I went to the draft, they drafted Caleb Rams the draft party head uh at Soldier Field, and I ran into Mojo Brooks there at that draft.
- 54:59SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, then I didn't know he was gonna take off like he has now, right?
- 55:04SPEAKER_03: I knew he had the social media present, but anyway, I'm gonna go laugh at him.
- 55:08SPEAKER_03: You know, since I I don't drink, I can't drink this sorrow.
- 55:11SPEAKER_03: Go out look for his video and laugh at it.
- 55:14SPEAKER_01: The other day, uh, yesterday, actually, I had a conversation with uh my frat brother and teammate Sydney Mohammed.
- 55:21SPEAKER_01: We had a good conversation, and he was talking about how uh his family members were asking him about playing high school football.
- 55:29SPEAKER_01: The truth of the matter is he played high school football 40 years ago, so we we think of us as young.
- 55:36SPEAKER_01: That's the same thing as if when we were we were kids and we were playing, and we asked our uncles or grandfathers, they'd have been playing in the 40s with leather helmets.
- 55:48SPEAKER_01: You think about how much the game has changed, and I'm like, uh, is that how they see us?
- 55:53SPEAKER_01: That's what and it probably is.
- 55:57SPEAKER_03: That's like in the olden days, yeah.
- 56:01SPEAKER_01: When y'all didn't have cleats or whatever, I'm like, Well, we we had all of that stuff, but I I think from their perspective, they would be right, right.
- 56:10SPEAKER_01: That's the name, how you doing?
- 56:12SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, hey, good to see you, man.
- 56:17SPEAKER_03: Better circumstances, man.
- 56:18SPEAKER_03: But we got next week, man.
- 56:20SPEAKER_03: We got to pick ourselves up, yes, sir, and get get back started.
- 56:24SPEAKER_03: We got a tough challenge in front of us with the eagles, and we we're gonna have to make uh that's a tough defense.
- 56:32SPEAKER_03: You you're gonna be lining up with some guys.
- 56:34SPEAKER_03: If you got an issue with left tackle, you better have protection, and they also run a 3-4.
- 56:41SPEAKER_03: So they're gonna have somebody in front of your center every play.
- 56:46SPEAKER_03: You either have Jalen Carter in front of you, and I can't remember who the other guy is, but they're gonna have a guy in front of your center, and your center is gonna have to be able to do his job, he's not gonna be able to be getting pushed back into the lap of Tyson Bajan because he can't, or he's gonna be holding all game.
- 57:03SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're going against Nick Fangio next week, right?
- 57:07SPEAKER_01: As a defensive coordinator, yeah.
- 57:09SPEAKER_01: So it it doesn't get any easier.
- 57:12SPEAKER_01: He's he's quite he's to be the one of the defensive coordinators for the Bears.
- 57:16SPEAKER_01: Uh, this guy's legit.
- 57:18SPEAKER_01: It doesn't get easier for us, fellas and ladies.
- 57:22SPEAKER_01: Let's get it going.
- 57:23SPEAKER_03: Yeah, let's get it going.
- 57:24SPEAKER_03: Hey, this week we're gonna um I'm not sure.
- 57:27SPEAKER_03: You know what?
- 57:28SPEAKER_03: Prayers go out to uh Dr.
- 57:30SPEAKER_03: Quick.
- 57:30SPEAKER_03: You know, he had you know, he has um some health challenges, you know.
- 57:34SPEAKER_03: Hopefully he's able to um get back on his feet right away.
- 57:39SPEAKER_03: So it may not be a um out of bounds this week.
- 57:43SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure, but definitely Wednesday we'll be coming back with Chicago High School Football Legends with Rod Gray, who played football with Simeon.
- 57:52SPEAKER_03: That was a championship team, um, I believe 85-86.
- 57:57SPEAKER_03: And he also be talking about his book he just released.
- 58:01SPEAKER_03: Uh, that he wrote about the guy said otherwise, as he talks about his battle that he had when you know he needed an organ transplant, etc.
- 58:12SPEAKER_03: And I mean it's a very inspiring book.
- 58:14SPEAKER_03: I'm looking forward to that interview.
- 58:16SPEAKER_03: Then we'll be back.
- 58:17SPEAKER_03: Uh the Thursday, Christian Jones, Friday pregame show.
- 58:21SPEAKER_03: And we're gonna put the fantasy show with pull picks on Saturday because I think it makes more sense on Saturday because I think that's more so when people are starting to get their lineups and if they want tactics, uh tips from him, then somebody is gonna be a surprise.
- 58:36SPEAKER_03: Gonna do the uh quick picks.
- 58:38SPEAKER_03: I think Jay doing the quick picks this week.
- 58:40SPEAKER_02: Oh, here they go.
- 58:42SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
- 58:43SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, got anything else, man?
- 58:46SPEAKER_01: Uh I'll you know, you might have to check on me in a couple hours because I'm gonna be drunk on the side of the road.
- 58:51SPEAKER_01: I'm just telling you, I better got drunk crying, walking up and down the street.
- 58:55SPEAKER_01: People can't recognize me.
- 58:57SPEAKER_01: That's gonna be me.
- 58:59SPEAKER_04: I think they gotta watch YouTube for the rest of the evening, man.
- 59:02SPEAKER_03: Hey, said man, man walking down the street looking delirious, and they pull up, they pull them all for conversation.
- 59:10SPEAKER_03: You find out he just upset that the bear lost.
- 59:13SPEAKER_03: That's me.
- 59:18SPEAKER_04: I got a joke, a quick joke.
- 59:20SPEAKER_03: What you got?
- 59:21SPEAKER_04: Go ahead, go.
- 59:22SPEAKER_04: Man comes in the bar, opens his backpack, pulls out a little bitty piano, a little bitty stool, and a little bitty man.
- 59:28SPEAKER_04: He sits him on eight, starts playing effortlessly.
- 59:30SPEAKER_04: This dude at the bar is looking at him, he's like, Where'd you get him from?
- 59:33SPEAKER_04: He goes, Oh, it's a genie down the street, and they give you a wish.
- 59:36SPEAKER_04: He's like, Okay, he runs out.
- 59:39SPEAKER_04: Then he comes back with all these little baby ducks all over the place.
- 59:44SPEAKER_04: And the dude was looking at him, he's like, What happened?
- 59:46SPEAKER_04: He said, I went and saw your guy.
- 59:48SPEAKER_04: I asked him for a million bucks, and he gave me a million ducks.
- 59:51SPEAKER_04: And the dude with the little mare, he was like, You think I asked for a 12-inch penis?
- 59:58SPEAKER_01: Oh okay, I got one for you.
- 1:00:02SPEAKER_01: Ready?
- 1:00:05SPEAKER_01: The third one ducks.
- 1:00:12SPEAKER_02: That's all I think.
- 1:00:18SPEAKER_03: Okay, grade three.
- 1:00:21SPEAKER_03: Grade three.
- 1:00:22SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'm not sure what the what the uh recovery period on that one is.
- 1:00:28SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's a hamstring, it's a grade three hamstring.
- 1:00:30SPEAKER_04: It takes three to six months.
- 1:00:33SPEAKER_04: Depends on whether he needs surgery.
- 1:00:35SPEAKER_04: Okay, without surgery, conservative care, mobility return in eight to twelve weeks, but returning a heavy lift and sprint usually takes three to four months.
- 1:00:43SPEAKER_04: But which surgery is four to six?
- 1:00:45SPEAKER_01: Oh, see, you got you got symmetry started, so he just put another joke up there just because we in joke mode.
- 1:00:56SPEAKER_04: Well, I'm trying to I'm trying to keep you from crying, man.
- 1:01:02SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that, man.
- 1:01:04SPEAKER_01: I need that.
- 1:01:04SPEAKER_01: Thank you, man.
- 1:01:07SPEAKER_03: Well, the news could get better, you know.
- 1:01:09SPEAKER_03: This praying that everything, whatever he has to do, that he could get back out there uh this season.
- 1:01:16SPEAKER_03: You know, matter of fact, I'm gonna talk about one of my co-workers.
- 1:01:19SPEAKER_03: She sucked.
- 1:01:19SPEAKER_03: She comes to me Thursday and says, She's a Packer fan.
- 1:01:24SPEAKER_03: Let's show how much they suck.
- 1:01:26SPEAKER_03: She says, K Will's gonna get hurt this weekend.
- 1:01:28SPEAKER_03: I said, Isn't that just something awful to say?
- 1:01:30SPEAKER_03: I was like, I said, as much as Brett Farr and Aaron Rodgers used to kick out, but now one time I would just say, I want them to get hurt, I want them to have a bad game, but I want them to get hurt.
- 1:01:42SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, then she's gonna send me a laughing emoji of the day.
- 1:01:46SPEAKER_03: Like, oh, you suck.
- 1:01:47SPEAKER_03: That's why I say you suck.
- 1:01:48SPEAKER_03: I ain't gonna say your name because I don't want to be liable, live liable for some other stuff, but uh, but you suck.
- 1:01:55SPEAKER_03: That's typical, that's typical back uh Packers fans.
- 1:01:58SPEAKER_04: That's you know it was a lady, it was a it was a lady, yeah.
- 1:02:01SPEAKER_04: It's a lady, it's lady made a most important series of Love Island that you watch during the climax of it when everything gets revealed, your cable runs out.
- 1:02:12SPEAKER_04: Wow, that's equal.
- 1:02:16SPEAKER_04: Hey, so like trying to figure out what happened.
- 1:02:19SPEAKER_03: So, hey, you know what?
- 1:02:21SPEAKER_03: You win some, you lose some, you gotta regroup and come back and put this loss behind you.
- 1:02:28SPEAKER_03: This loss is hey, it is done after you leave the locker room.
- 1:02:32SPEAKER_03: Tomorrow and Monday, well, Monday is tomorrow, Monday and Tuesday.
- 1:02:36SPEAKER_03: You back to your regular schedule program and you're getting ready for the Eagle game, and you you you have to just this is one of those games you tear up the tape.
- 1:02:46SPEAKER_03: You just gotta say, hey, everything went wrong, and if a few things go right, if we don't fumble, that's seven.
- 1:02:54SPEAKER_03: If we catch that ball, that's another seven.
- 1:02:57SPEAKER_03: If we'll right, so realistically, you have to make your guys know you left about three touchdowns on the field in this game, and you could have you could have won this game uh what's that 20-24?
- 1:03:12SPEAKER_03: You could have won this game 24 to 9, right?
- 1:03:15SPEAKER_03: If you and then if you're not shooting yourself in the foot, you don't have all these negative plays that's driving you out of field goal range, and negative plays stop momentum.
- 1:03:23SPEAKER_03: So, as a coach, you just have to say you burn in the tape, you tell about the positive, and you move on.
- 1:03:30SPEAKER_01: Thanks, guys.
- 1:03:30SPEAKER_01: That joke made me feel better, man.
- 1:03:32SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
- 1:03:37SPEAKER_03: Hey, I got one, I got one, and we get up, man.
- 1:03:40SPEAKER_03: Just laugh by something.
- 1:03:42SPEAKER_03: So this guy, this guy goes to work.
- 1:03:45SPEAKER_03: Then uh, I think he called off the day before, so he goes to work the next day, and this boss asked him, Do you believe in life after death?
- 1:03:54SPEAKER_03: He said, Absolutely not.
- 1:03:56SPEAKER_03: He said, Okay, then why did your auntie come here yesterday looking for you?
- 1:04:03SPEAKER_03: Oh, he said she did.
- 1:04:05SPEAKER_03: He just told me he told me she died.
- 1:04:17SPEAKER_01: All right, I'm right back to drinking again.
- 1:04:20SPEAKER_03: Forget the thank y'all until next time.
- 1:04:26SPEAKER_03: Peace.