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Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan: Love Turned Lethal, Buried Alive · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Take a moment, take
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Speaker 1: a deep breath through your nose. Want that breath out.
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Speaker 1: A breath is something that most of us just take
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Speaker 1: for granted. It's a wondrous thing. The ability to process oxygen,
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Speaker 1: the ability to derive life from our environment just by
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Speaker 1: simply breathing in and breathing out. That mechanism, that marvelous mechanism,
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Speaker 1: that thing that is occurring at a molecular level within
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Speaker 1: our lungs to keep us sustained. Now, imagine just for
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Speaker 1: a moment that breath, perhaps you've taken for granted her
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Speaker 1: entire life, that ability to take in that which keeps
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Speaker 1: us going is suddenly, as we say in the South
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Speaker 1: cut Off, today, we're going to talk about arguably one
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Speaker 1: of the most horrific ways to die. We're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about a young woman who was buried alive.
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Speaker 2: Yes me and Carr was being stalked and just one
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Speaker 2: month after reporting it to police, Carr was abducted and killed.
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Speaker 2: Australian police said Carr was bound with tape and cable ties,
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Speaker 2: blindfolded and superficial, non life threatening cuts were made to
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Speaker 2: her throat. She was then buried alive.
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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Body Bags, Dave
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Speaker 1: mac Have you ever been punched in the gut and
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Speaker 1: have what they say had to win knocked out of you?
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Speaker 1: I think it's happened to to everybody. Maybe you fall
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Speaker 1: on your back, suddenly that breath is gone, and you get,
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Speaker 1: just for a moment, you get that sense of what
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Speaker 1: it would be like to not be able to catch
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Speaker 1: your breath. And I think that all of us can
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Speaker 1: understand that horrific terror that kind of grips us. But
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Speaker 1: you know the thing about it getting your breath knocked out.
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Speaker 1: For most of us, it's going to return. But in
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Speaker 1: this particular case today it didn't.
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Speaker 2: Do.
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Speaker 3: You have a young couple, Jasmine Corr and her ex boyfriend.
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Speaker 3: He is one of these guys that if I can't
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Speaker 3: have you, nobody will. And so when Jazmine Korr broke
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Speaker 3: up with Greek Jot Singh, he didn't take it well.
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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, he was so bad about
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Speaker 3: the breakup that he was following her around. He was
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Speaker 3: really creepy stalking. We don't know the depth of stalking
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Speaker 3: that went into it, but it is a proper term
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Speaker 3: to the point where jasmincorp at twenty one years old.
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Speaker 3: This is a woman that works at a home for
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Speaker 3: the aged Heart of Gold. Everybody loves her and this
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Speaker 3: guy is terrorizing her. So she finally goes to the
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Speaker 3: police filed a complaint detailing all of the things her
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Speaker 3: ex boyfriend, mister Singh had been doing to her. And
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Speaker 3: it was enough. It was enough that police went out
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Speaker 3: and warned him about stalking her.
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Speaker 1: I just want to bring this to the surface. How
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Speaker 1: many of these cases, and I want to qualify this
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Speaker 1: by saying our case today it hit the international wires
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Speaker 1: and of course it made it here to America. This
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Speaker 1: just has really occurred very recently, and it was such
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Speaker 1: a horrific case that it kind of it caught the
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Speaker 1: attention of everybody around the world. There's something about this
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Speaker 1: behavior that seeing displayed that knows no geographic boundaries. Think
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Speaker 1: about how many cases over the years that you've covered
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Speaker 1: and that I've covered where we hear this same old refrain,
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Speaker 1: where you've got this terrified young woman who has been
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Speaker 1: in a relationship, and maybe not even in a relationship.
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Speaker 1: It's a matter of perception on the part of some
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Speaker 1: psychopath out there that thinks they're in a relationship. You
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Speaker 1: do everything that you possibly can do. You go to
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Speaker 1: your family and say, hey, look, this guy won't leave
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Speaker 1: me alone. What do I do well? Honey? The next
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Speaker 1: thing we're going to do is we're going to go
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Speaker 1: the police, to the local constabulary and we're going to
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Speaker 1: ask them, you know, what do we do? Or to
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Speaker 1: the local prosecutor, what do we do well? The best
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Speaker 1: we can do is get a restraining order. And of
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Speaker 1: course in this case, it just you know, it just
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Speaker 1: didn't it fell flat.
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Speaker 3: More than fell flat. I think it actually pushed to
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Speaker 3: Wreak John Singh over the cliff, I mentioned that jas
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Speaker 3: Me and Core twenty one to Wreak John sing twenty one,
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Speaker 3: we've got two young people that have been involved in
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Speaker 3: a relationship that finally got to the point where she said,
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Speaker 3: enough's enough. I can't handle you. Let's break up. Time
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Speaker 3: to see other people. Is not you, it's me. He
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Speaker 3: didn't take it. He's terrorizing her to the point where
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Speaker 3: she goes to the police. When the police talked to him,
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Speaker 3: was lighting the fuse. That's all I could think of,
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Speaker 3: because what happened next, Tarik John Singh made a plan.
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Speaker 3: I don't know the amount of time he spent planning it,
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Speaker 3: I don't know, but there was enough and we have
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Speaker 3: the CCTV cameras to actually track what he did, where
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Speaker 3: he went, and all the things leading up to abducting
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Speaker 3: this woman. He said he loved Think about that, all
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Speaker 3: of these horrible things that are about to happen, this
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Speaker 3: guy claimed he loved her.
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Speaker 1: That's the thing about this. How do you express love?
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Speaker 1: It's often said that love and hatred are the are
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Speaker 1: just different sides of the same coin. But you know,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't quite get it, does it. You look at
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Speaker 1: Yasmin's parents, you look at those that you look at
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Speaker 1: those that look to her for comfort. You talked about
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Speaker 1: the aged that she was taken care of. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: quite cut it, does it. That's not enough to I
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Speaker 1: don't know, find some kind of comfort in, some kind
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Speaker 1: of understanding in because at the end of the day,
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Speaker 1: she's at the total and complete mercy of someone who
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Speaker 1: turns out to be a complete monster. In this particular case.
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Speaker 3: I'm wondering what she was going through at the moment
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Speaker 3: she sees him. Because she has gone to the police,
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Speaker 3: she has reported it, she has given them enough information
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Speaker 3: and evidence that they agree with her, they're going to
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Speaker 3: put a stop to him. She does all the right things,
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Speaker 3: and here he is showing up just a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: We're talking a very short period of time between the
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Speaker 3: time that she reports him to police and he shows
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Speaker 3: up at her place of work and kidnaps her. Based
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Speaker 3: on some of the video evidence we have, we see
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Speaker 3: Sing driving around town and heading out of town, but
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Speaker 3: we see him in the driver's sept but there's nobody
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Speaker 3: in the passenger seat, and it appears that there's nobody
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Speaker 3: in the back seat. So what the thought is is
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Speaker 3: that Sing kidnaps the woman he loves, Yasmin, and he
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Speaker 3: ties her hands with cable, he uses duct tape, and
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Speaker 3: he I think put her in the trunk of the car.
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Speaker 3: They're not even sure. But he blindfolded her, handcuffed her,
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Speaker 3: taped her up, put her in the car, and took
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Speaker 3: off and she has no idea what's going to happen next.
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Speaker 3: As I mentioned, the CCTV camera showed everything. They showed
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Speaker 3: him picking up They showed him actually going to the
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Speaker 3: store and buying the materials he would need, including a shovel.
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Speaker 3: They show him driving around town where you only see
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Speaker 3: him in the driver's seat and nobody else. And then,
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Speaker 3: of course we know he drives out into the middle
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Speaker 3: of nowhere. I don't know if he dug the hole
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Speaker 3: before that he kidnapped her, or after she was there.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he removed the blindfold to let
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Speaker 3: her see the hole. I don't know. None of us know.
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Speaker 3: We do know that she had to have been terrorized
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Speaker 3: at a level of depth that one can never you
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Speaker 3: don't even want to imagine, worse than everything else Joseph
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Speaker 3: Scott Morgan. After kidnapping, traveling around, blindfolding Hitt and taping
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Speaker 3: her all up, this twenty one year old man takes
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Speaker 3: the love of his life and throws her in the
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Speaker 3: hole and buries her while she's still alive.
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Speaker 1: And she would have known what was coming, Dave. And
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Speaker 1: here's the rope. You had mentioned earlier that she was
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Speaker 1: a caretaker for the agent. She knows the value of breath,
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Speaker 1: She understands the physiology behind what goes into providing oxygen.
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Speaker 1: She would have placed, probably gently a canule in somebody's
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Speaker 1: nose that had COPD or some kind of breathing can
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Speaker 1: She would have known the level, the rate at which
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Speaker 1: oxygen is forced through that canula. But yet for her
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Speaker 1: it ended in a very dark, isolated place and there
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Speaker 1: was no one to hear her cries for help. I'd
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Speaker 1: like to say that Australia has always been a place
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Speaker 1: that I have dreamt of going. I'm terrified of the
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Speaker 1: plane flight. It's not that flight terrifies me. It's the
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Speaker 1: pain associated with it, having to sit there for so long.
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Speaker 1: But to behold what is down under, to see that
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Speaker 1: country down there, I've always wanted to go, in particular
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Speaker 1: the end. Many people talk about going to the coast,
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Speaker 1: and I know that it's quite beautiful. I've often wondered
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Speaker 1: about the nature of things that are both literally and figuratively,
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Speaker 1: what it looks like almost you know, you see these
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Speaker 1: images the interior with that dark red clay like sandy
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Speaker 1: soil that they have that seems like permeates everything. I've
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Speaker 1: seen the images of Air's Rock and these locations. But
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Speaker 1: where seeing took yasmine is a place called the Flinders
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Speaker 1: Ranges fli n d Ers, not Flanders, but Flinders Ranges.
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Speaker 1: And it is truly an isolated location. And when they
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Speaker 1: say ranges, there's actually small Mountain range that runs through
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Speaker 1: there and one of the highest peaks in the country
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Speaker 1: called Saint Mary's. When you see it, it looks similar
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Speaker 1: to our desert southwest, only a bit more colorful. But
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Speaker 1: the soil itself looks pressed compacted, if you will and
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Speaker 1: read so that And I can just imagine that every
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Speaker 1: time you put a shovel to that dirt, you can
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Speaker 1: actually hear that kind of metallic clink as it goes in,
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Speaker 1: and you're having to force that soil out of that space.
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Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, Dave, I'm just wondering, as yasmine laid there,
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Speaker 1: perhaps in the darkness, she could still hear does she
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Speaker 1: hear the sound of that shovel going into the dirt
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Speaker 1: as each as each shovelful is pulled out of that
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Speaker 1: hole and thrown to the side. I don't believe that
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Speaker 1: he had predugged this hole. He is seen on CCTV
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Speaker 1: going to purchase a shovel, so he was armed and ready,
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Speaker 1: but not completely prepared. He knew where he was going,
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Speaker 1: And just to kind of frame it for our folks
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Speaker 1: that if you think about it, it's like four hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty kilometers they're saying yes mein particularly lived in Adelaide,
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Speaker 1: which is in the southern portion of Australia. They had
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Speaker 1: to drive four hundred and fifty kilometers, which is over
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Speaker 1: two hundred miles. All right, this is a destination that
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Speaker 1: he had an idea about and he knew that it
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Speaker 1: was isolated. I don't think that he had gone up
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Speaker 1: there and pre dug a hole. And this is what
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Speaker 1: I do believe. I think that digging the whole dave
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Speaker 1: was part of the terrorizing. She would have had an awareness.
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Speaker 1: She could not move, she couldn't free herself. She's bound
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Speaker 1: with cable straps, a zip ties, if you will. And
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Speaker 1: also what they found was that she was also secured
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Speaker 1: with duct tape. They're using the term gaffer tape as well,
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Speaker 1: which is very similar gaffer tape duct tape. So he's
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Speaker 1: got her bound up, but she could hear every time
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Speaker 1: that spade went into the dirt and turned another shovelful.
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Speaker 3: A sad and scary thought that this is what a
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Speaker 3: man did to the woman he said he loved, he
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Speaker 3: loved her so much, the stocking and everything else. I'm
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Speaker 3: just baffled by what was going on with mister Singh
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Speaker 3: he could do this to somebody that he said he
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Speaker 3: cared about, which just goes beyond the paling. We got
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Speaker 3: to get into this, Okay, what did her body go
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Speaker 3: through after all of the fear, after all the terror
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Speaker 3: leading up to it, Joe, we know she has no
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Speaker 3: way to free herself. She has sat there for hours,
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Speaker 3: and I believe you're right that he actually dug the
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Speaker 3: hole and was talking to her the whole time. We
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Speaker 3: know she was blindfolded. We don't know if she was
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Speaker 3: gagged at the time. She was thrown into the hole
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Speaker 3: with no way to get herself out, and then she
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Speaker 3: had to feel the dirt on her body.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that it's important to back up
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Speaker 1: a wee bit here and think about you mentioned you
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Speaker 1: were on target a moment ago, when you had mentioned
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Speaker 1: that you couldn't see anybody in the back seat. And
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Speaker 1: as our friends in Australia and Britain they refer to
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Speaker 1: the trunk as the boot. You've got her in a
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Speaker 1: position so that you could subdue her at home. Perhaps
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Speaker 1: she's terrified he's threatening her. He gets her subdued, he
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Speaker 1: gets her secured in sense that he's got her bound up.
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Speaker 1: Then he puts her into this car. And keep in
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Speaker 1: mind what I was saying about the Flinders Ranges. This
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Speaker 1: is an isolated area and I've seen the crime scene
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Speaker 1: images from this location. This is not what we would
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Speaker 1: refer to as an improved road where she was found.
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Speaker 1: This would have been not only would she have heard
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Speaker 1: the road noise while she was in the boot, and
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Speaker 1: you can imagine how uncomfortable that drive would have been,
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Speaker 1: bouncing up and down, maybe taking up a little bit
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Speaker 1: of carbon monoxide as she's laying in that trunk, perhaps
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Speaker 1: pounding headache. She's totally disoriented to space and time. She
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Speaker 1: feels every pothole on the improved road surfaces, perhaps every turn.
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Speaker 1: She can feel this. Her equilibrium is still working. She
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Speaker 1: can sense when she's moving to the left or to
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Speaker 1: the right. She knows when there's an incline or a
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Speaker 1: decline coming up in the road. She can feel the
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Speaker 1: change in speed of the vehicle. Perhaps possibly she can
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Speaker 1: hear him shouting at her, or perhaps he's turned the
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Speaker 1: music on in the vehicle and it's playing it very loudly.
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Speaker 1: You could hear it through the rear speakers. All along.
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Speaker 1: She's completely disoriented. It's almost complete and total sensory deprivation.
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Speaker 1: So the terror is rising within her. And then when
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Speaker 1: he comes off of this improved road surface, you know
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Speaker 1: where it's blacktopped, and he has to go down into
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Speaker 1: this area that is certainly unimproved. You're going to hit
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Speaker 1: every washboard in the road. You know, there's ruts that
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Speaker 1: you feel as the shock absorbers in the car trying
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Speaker 1: to maintain the vehicle in its orientation, and you're bouncing
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Speaker 1: down the road. Maybe the road is completely uneven. Maybe
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Speaker 1: he's speeding up, maybe he's slowing down. He's trying to
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Speaker 1: seek out this location. Remember we don't believe he predug
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Speaker 1: this hole. And then finally you arrived there. I can't
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Speaker 1: even begin to imagine the fear that had arisen within
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Speaker 1: her when she is traveling to this locale, because she's
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Speaker 1: got to believe, Dave, that nothing good is going to
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Speaker 1: come of this. One interesting aside relative to Jasmine's death
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Speaker 1: is that it was alleged that she had committed suicide.
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Speaker 1: And David, I don't know about you, but I don't
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Speaker 1: think I've ever heard of a case where someone committed
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Speaker 1: suicide and then buried themselves in a shallow grave.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to laugh because it's not a laughing matter.
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Speaker 1: It's nonsensical.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it is not yeat. That's a great term.
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Speaker 3: It is nonsensical. But Joe, this story that police were
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Speaker 3: told didn't make sense to them, and you know how
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Speaker 3: they are able to get confessions out of people, and
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Speaker 3: they did. I want to find the right way to
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Speaker 3: phrase this, Joe. As I was reading through this story
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Speaker 3: and doing some background on it, I was thinking about
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Speaker 3: how this Tariq Joht Singh had traumatized Yasmin Corp to
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Speaker 3: the at twenty one. They're both twenty one, both young people,
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Speaker 3: but he consistently badgered her even while they were dating,
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Speaker 3: the term by her family. He tried to forcibly marry her,
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Speaker 3: He tried to forcibly keep her in the relationship, and
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Speaker 3: she really was done so all the way through, he
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Speaker 3: was consistent thinking she didn't matter what she wanted was
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Speaker 3: she thought, none of that matter. It was what he wanted.
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Speaker 3: And you've described the traveling, the thing she went through
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Speaker 3: in the back of that car, and as you were
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Speaker 3: talking about I was thinking, I wish the carbo monoxide
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Speaker 3: had rendered her unconscious so she wouldn't have to deal
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Speaker 3: with what she was going to deal with most of us.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned at the very beginning of this show today,
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Speaker 3: having the wind knocked out of you, not being able
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Speaker 3: to breathe, and as she was thrown into the hole
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Speaker 3: and then dirt is put on top of her. That
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Speaker 3: was not the end, by the way. Before she's put
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Speaker 3: in the hole, somewhere in the course of this crazy day,
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Speaker 3: Singing tried to scare her by cutting her throat. It
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Speaker 3: wasn't deep enough to do anything. It didn't have anything
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Speaker 3: to do with her death. I think he did it
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Speaker 3: just to scare her even more.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to terror razz her. And I think that as well.
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Speaker 1: And it was she had an anterior, which means the
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Speaker 1: front of the neck, so cross her throat. She had
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Speaker 1: here to be an incized area. But according to the
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Speaker 1: me I say, according to the corner they have corners
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Speaker 1: in Australia when they examine this injury after the fact,
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Speaker 1: it's what they have termed as superficial. However, do not
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Speaker 1: be mistaken in this. Just because they say that something
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Speaker 1: is superficial doesn't mean that it's not painful and that
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't further inject terror. And I think that you
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Speaker 1: and I can agree that that's probably what the purpose
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Speaker 1: was here where he holds her tight perhaps against his chest,
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Speaker 1: as he takes a sharp instrument and drags it across
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Speaker 1: the surface of her neck, and lord only knows, maybe
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Speaker 1: this was one last attempt on his part to try
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Speaker 1: to elicit from her a promise of love, can you imagine,
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Speaker 1: And he's going to do this, utilizing this knife to
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Speaker 1: try to get that from her, And apparently the answer
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Speaker 1: was in sufficient. But we do know this, and this
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Speaker 1: is quite fascinating one bit of information that came out
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Speaker 1: as a result of the autopsy. It is opined by
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Speaker 1: the forensic pathologist that she had died within essentially twenty
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Speaker 1: four hours of having been placed in that grave live. Now,
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Speaker 1: when we think of a standard burial, where we have
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Speaker 1: a grave site where there has been a hole dug
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Speaker 1: in the ground, and you have a vault that's placed
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Speaker 1: in the ground and then the casket is placed within it,
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Speaker 1: you have this kind of indwelling support right where doesn't
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Speaker 1: touch the body and it won't for years and years
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Speaker 1: and years. She was placed in the ground like this, alive,
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Speaker 1: and after having heard the sound of that shovel striking earth,
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Speaker 1: probably unturned soil. It was a struggle, and she is
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Speaker 1: placed into this hole, and they're describing this hole as
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Speaker 1: a shallow grave, which to my way of thinking is
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Speaker 1: probably no more than maybe two feet perhaps. But when
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Speaker 1: you take a look at the crime scene images, you
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Speaker 1: can see evidence markers all over the ground. Now a
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Speaker 1: lot of this is going to be indicative of probably
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Speaker 1: tire tread where he has passed over an area. They're
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Speaker 1: marking that area out. And when I say that this
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Speaker 1: was immediately adjacent to the road, it was immediately adjacent
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Speaker 1: to the road, And we can kind of surmise a
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Speaker 1: few things based upon that. He didn't take the time
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Speaker 1: to travel off in the brush with her to do this.
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Speaker 1: He literally stopped in this one location. And we know
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Speaker 1: this because we're seeing the markers on the ground where
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Speaker 1: the tire tracks would have been left behind. They don't
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Speaker 1: get a lot of rain there, so those tire tracks
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Speaker 1: would probably still be appreciable. He took them, the authorities,
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Speaker 1: to this location and pointed out where he had buried her,
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Speaker 1: And it wouldn't have been very difficult for the crime
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Speaker 1: scene investigators to have figured this out, because, as we've
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Speaker 1: talked about previously on body backs. There is a big difference,
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Speaker 1: a gulf of difference between where you have untouched soil
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Speaker 1: that hasn't had a tool placed to it, and recently
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Speaker 1: turned soil, it will be kind of mounded up. There's
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Speaker 1: no way even if you had every bit of dirt
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Speaker 1: that would have been pulled out of this and placed
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Speaker 1: back in there, there's no way to get it so
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Speaker 1: that it looks like the rest of the environment. You
22:32
Speaker 1: can appreciate turned soil very well. And so they were
22:36
Speaker 1: able to, you know, kind of brush this away and
22:39
Speaker 1: examine her there. But here's the thing that they discovered
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Speaker 1: at autopsy. She was dead within twenty four hours of
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Speaker 1: having been buried. And what that tells me is that
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Speaker 1: first off, they were able to determine she was not
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Speaker 1: dead when she went into the grave. How do we
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Speaker 1: know that, Well, just like if you will imagine really
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Speaker 1: the closest thing I can give people an idea of
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Speaker 1: if you're around smoke, for instance, next to a fire.
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Speaker 1: If you've ever been to an outdoor fire and you
23:10
Speaker 1: breathe in, you have the smell of the smoke that's
23:13
Speaker 1: entering your nasal passages, your mouth, you can kind of
23:17
Speaker 1: taste it. If you will that is being literally uptaken
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Speaker 1: in your body. That's the closest I can come to
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Speaker 1: describing this because what they would have found at autopsy
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Speaker 1: when they did the internal examination, the first thing that
23:32
Speaker 1: they would have done before they went and opened her
23:36
Speaker 1: body is they would have looked in her nostrils. You
23:38
Speaker 1: would have seen the same dirt that was on the ground.
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Speaker 3: Let me ask you about that. Singh puts her in
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Speaker 3: the hole. In my picturing, I'm thinking if I was
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Speaker 3: in a hole, I would be moving dirt around my
23:49
Speaker 3: face to create a little area around my nose and mouth,
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Speaker 3: thinking in those terms. But in this case, her hands
23:55
Speaker 3: were tied behind her back. We know she was blindfolded,
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Speaker 3: and we know based on what you're telling us that
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Speaker 3: her mouth was not covered. So she's in the hole.
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Speaker 3: She can do nothing to maneuver the dirt away from
24:10
Speaker 3: her mouth and nose. She has no way of getting
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Speaker 3: a clear breath. What is her body going through as
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Speaker 3: the pressure of the dirt, even if it's not that much,
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Speaker 3: it's still on her body. She can't get a clean
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Speaker 3: breath of air. If she opens her mouth, dirt goes in.
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Speaker 1: She would have been trying to wiggle and This is
24:33
Speaker 1: just kind of a natural response. You're trying to get
24:37
Speaker 1: air as best you can. And the tighter he packs
24:41
Speaker 1: his soul, you know, and any of us that have
24:42
Speaker 1: ever seen body dig a hole with a shovel, you
24:45
Speaker 1: go back and you tamp it down with the back
24:47
Speaker 1: of the shovel most of the time. The tighter, this
24:50
Speaker 1: is the less of a space she's going to have
24:53
Speaker 1: in order to move about and to turn her head
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Speaker 1: from left to right in order to gain a breath.
24:59
Speaker 1: And and this soil that she is uptaking through her
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Speaker 1: nostrils and into her mouth is steadily replacing any oxygen
25:10
Speaker 1: that might be there. It becomes a matter of time
25:14
Speaker 1: at that point, because her brain would have been screaming
25:18
Speaker 1: for oxygen, and she could not have gleaned any oxygen
25:22
Speaker 1: from that environment whatsoever, because it's quickly dissipated. If you're
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Speaker 1: placed into a vault in the ground, you're going to
25:28
Speaker 1: run out of air eventually. Okay, provided that it is airtight.
25:33
Speaker 1: You have to assume that it might be. But in
25:35
Speaker 1: this case, oxygen would have been in very short supply
25:39
Speaker 1: in this environment. Remember oxygen, you know, if we talk about, say,
25:43
Speaker 1: for instance, of a refrigerator or deep freeze. You got
25:47
Speaker 1: to purchase one. The space within that environment is measured
25:51
Speaker 1: in not cubic feet but cubic inches, and you feel
25:54
Speaker 1: that that invisible space, you know when we're looking at
25:57
Speaker 1: that with a body. And then you think about, well,
26:01
Speaker 1: how much oxygen would there have been within this environment, Well,
26:05
Speaker 1: in a tightly packed environment with all of this dirt,
26:08
Speaker 1: not much. So what's going to happen. Well, you're still
26:10
Speaker 1: going to have this respiratory event where you're in taking
26:15
Speaker 1: what you believe is it should be oxygen. It's done
26:18
Speaker 1: this in your entire life, but it's not. It's dirt.
26:21
Speaker 1: It's dusty dirt, so it'll be very particulate. Now, when
26:24
Speaker 1: they would have gotten in to the internal examination, first off,
26:29
Speaker 1: they would have seen and they kind of go into
26:32
Speaker 1: graphic detail about this, which was I was kind of surprised,
26:35
Speaker 1: and this is quite horrible, David. They found dirt almost
26:39
Speaker 1: the entire length of her esophagus. That means she's swallowing dirt.
26:43
Speaker 1: That means that as she's trying to uptake oxygen through
26:48
Speaker 1: her mouth, she's also getting mouthfuls of dirt. It's like
26:52
Speaker 1: attempting to breathe underwater. You know, those two things don't happen.
26:57
Speaker 1: And you know many times you'll find water in the
27:00
Speaker 1: stomach of a drowning victim because part of it is
27:04
Speaker 1: going to be ingested. But then also you're going to
27:08
Speaker 1: find it down the trachea, which is our windpipe, and
27:12
Speaker 1: that splits off into the bronchial tree, and it's nothing
27:16
Speaker 1: to find particulate bits of And again I go back
27:20
Speaker 1: to my example of fires. When you have a house fire,
27:23
Speaker 1: for instance, you'll remember we talk a lot about what's
27:26
Speaker 1: their soot in the lungs. That's how we determine if
27:29
Speaker 1: someone was alive during the time of the fire. There's
27:32
Speaker 1: really no difference here. The trick here though, and what
27:37
Speaker 1: makes this all the more horrific. When you have a fire,
27:40
Speaker 1: you've kind of got this horrible chemical reaction that's going
27:44
Speaker 1: on because of all of this stuff that's burning in
27:46
Speaker 1: the air, and it's given off these noxious gases and
27:49
Speaker 1: this sort of thing. There's no noxious gas here. You
27:52
Speaker 1: actually have oxygen being replaced by dirt. And because that
27:58
Speaker 1: is occurring, you can when you dissect the lungs at
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Speaker 1: autopsy and you go down the bronchial tree, you'll actually
28:05
Speaker 1: find dirt contained in there because the body is still
28:09
Speaker 1: doing its best to try to process what's available to survive.
28:12
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28:19
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28:22
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