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#1656 The Boss Lady - Nicole Livingstone (OAM) · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I get are you, bloody champions, Welcome to another installming
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Speaker 1: you project Craig, Anthony Harper, Nicole, Nicole, Dawn Livingston for
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Speaker 1: her third time. And we're paying you exactly the same
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Speaker 1: amount this time as the last two times. No fuck it, no,
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Speaker 1: fuck it, fifty percent more. You're welcome.
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Speaker 2: Oh so I get a bigger coffee the piccolo.
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Speaker 1: Somebody asked me the other day, you know all your guests,
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Speaker 1: do you pay them like not? Channel nine? Motherfucker. Of
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Speaker 1: course I don't pay them.
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Speaker 2: What Well, third time for charm and I'm more than
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Speaker 2: happy to be here with you.
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Speaker 1: We love you, we appreciate you. How are you? What
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Speaker 1: is how? Firstly? Are you well?
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Speaker 2: I'm really well. Yeah. I've had a bit of a
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Speaker 2: gap year, so it's it's been a very different year.
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Speaker 2: I finished up with the AFL late December last year,
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three for those playing long and yeah, I'm
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Speaker 2: just now putting my toe back in to start a
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Speaker 2: new job, which is exciting. But for the first sort
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Speaker 2: of eight nine months, I've done a lot of travel.
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Speaker 2: I spent a couple of months in America at the
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Speaker 2: start of the year. I did the Olympic Games for
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Speaker 2: a month in France and then I'm back in the
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Speaker 2: States again. So it's it's it's been good.
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Speaker 1: I mean, firstly, I think it's great that you took
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Speaker 1: a break because being the boss of the AFLW and
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Speaker 1: doing all the stuff that you've been doing on on
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Speaker 1: one million boards and a mum of three and a
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Speaker 1: wife of one, and you're the busiest woman in the world.
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Speaker 1: But having a break is good. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: I can't see you. I can see you relaxing for
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Speaker 1: about fucking four days, and then I reckon, like, your
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Speaker 1: mind is not a not that it's turmoil, but it's
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Speaker 1: not as your mind is fertile. Right, It's busy in
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Speaker 1: your mind, isn't it.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you chose those words really well. Yeah, yes,
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Speaker 2: it doesn't sit well with me. But the great thing
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Speaker 2: has been I've had a purpose during that time. So
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Speaker 2: I'm in America now. As I said, my daughter's over
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Speaker 2: here at college. She's a senior. She's got one more
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Speaker 2: year to go. But my sixteen year old, our sixteen
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Speaker 2: year old son is a really really good baseballer, didn't
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Speaker 2: like school at all, and we made the decision after
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Speaker 2: term one this year March April that we were going
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Speaker 2: to pull the pin and bring him across to America
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Speaker 2: to train and just go all in, which is exactly
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Speaker 2: what my parents did with me when I was approaching
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Speaker 2: getting ready for Olympic Games and the like. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: he's been over here since the start of April, and
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Speaker 2: it's been a really successful campaign for him. But I
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Speaker 2: was with him for two months and then I've left
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Speaker 2: him here with the host family for three months. So
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Speaker 2: he's basically been doing everything himself. Sixteen, so just learning
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Speaker 2: that he can do it all himself, which is actually
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Speaker 2: really nice.
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Speaker 1: And you know what, I think it's really smart of you,
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Speaker 1: And I'm not kissing in your pocket, but it's smart
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Speaker 1: to recognize. You know, kids learn in different ways in
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Speaker 1: different environments, and you know, for some kids, sitting in
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Speaker 1: a classroom works, and we're not running down the academic
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Speaker 1: system or the education system or teachers. We need it,
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Speaker 1: of course, but not everyone works the same way, not
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Speaker 1: everyone learns the same way, not everybody stimulated by the
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Speaker 1: same things, and genius expresses itself in itself in different ways. Right,
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Speaker 1: Like some of my smartest friends finish school at year
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Speaker 1: nine and ten. My training partner who's one of my
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Speaker 1: best friends in the world. He finished school at year
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Speaker 1: ten and I'm doing a fucking PhD. And absolutely he's
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Speaker 1: smarter than me. Right Like, if you get stuck on
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Speaker 1: an island, you don't want to get with me, Nicole,
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Speaker 1: he getstut Like, practically I'm a fucking idiot.
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Speaker 2: But I know that you do not have a guy
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Speaker 2: with a tool belt. I know you don't have that.
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Speaker 1: I know. I just I'm just fascinated with human behavior,
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Speaker 1: but I do not know how cars work works.
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Speaker 2: I think the great thing is that he can go
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Speaker 2: back to school and the sport that he plays baseball
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Speaker 2: with if they're lucky enough to go into the next phase,
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Speaker 2: which is with one of thirty Major League Baseball teams,
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Speaker 2: there is education funds available, so you know, he can
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Speaker 2: go back to school should he wish. But you know,
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Speaker 2: I've been an advocate forever about having a holistic life.
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Speaker 2: So he's learning Spanish, He's fending for himself, so he
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Speaker 2: is really learning some great skills for life where he'll
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Speaker 2: end up. I think he'll need to learn Spanish. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: as he's always the way, particularly with the sixteen year old,
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Speaker 2: he's learned all the probably rough stuff first so he
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Speaker 2: can have good streets Spanish, and then he's learning to
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Speaker 2: communicate a little more formally as well.
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Speaker 1: That's hilarious. You know what is really interesting about this conversation,
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Speaker 1: this is completely accidental and fortuitous. Is so I'm always,
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Speaker 1: as you know, I'm always running workshops and seminars and writing,
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Speaker 1: you know, writing content. I'm doing a video program at
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Speaker 1: the moment, which is one hundred and fifty videos. So
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Speaker 1: I'm always thinking about the human experience and learning and
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Speaker 1: you know, human behavior and self regulation and self awareness
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Speaker 1: and all that stuff. And I started designing a workshop
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Speaker 1: yesterday called what they should teach you at school but
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Speaker 1: don't write? So I want what is the thing that
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Speaker 1: you think? And again this is not because they can't
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Speaker 1: teach you everything and it's an academic environment, But what's
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Speaker 1: one thing that would be great? Because I always get
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Speaker 1: a bit of this feedback. I wish I wish this
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Speaker 1: stuff that you teach was in schools because it's very
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Speaker 1: real world practical, right, And of course we need maths
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Speaker 1: and geography and all the bits and pieces. Of course
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Speaker 1: we need that, But what's one thing that you wish
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Speaker 1: they taught in school that they.
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Speaker 2: Don't active learning, being active while you learn, so the
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Speaker 2: and again I agree with you, it's really difficult to
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Speaker 2: cater for everybody, particularly if you are neurodiverse, which Robinson is.
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Speaker 2: I've never been diagnosed, but a lot of my swimming
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Speaker 2: friends and I have conversations about that's probably why our
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Speaker 2: parents put us in a pool and stuffed our face
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Speaker 2: in the water. But we actually got enough exercise, quieted
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Speaker 2: us down, got rid of some of the energy. But
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Speaker 2: to have somebody sit in a classroom, you know, session
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Speaker 2: after session after session, and in his case the last
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Speaker 2: part was in the same classroom for every subject, so
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Speaker 2: not even not even moving interestingly, you know, there's some
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Speaker 2: great advancements over in Japan as an example, where they
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Speaker 2: have exercise equipment in the classrooms and it's not used
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Speaker 2: as an excuse to skive often get out of work.
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Speaker 2: But when kids feel like they need to move, they
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Speaker 2: can go off and quickly, you know, churn up on
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Speaker 2: a trampoline, on a mini trampoline, or you know, jump
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Speaker 2: on a spin bike for a second and then come
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Speaker 2: back down to study. So there are some really good
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Speaker 2: things around, but to be able to do that in
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Speaker 2: our education system I think would be incredible. So just
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Speaker 2: active learning actually being allowed to release some of antsw
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Speaker 2: in your pants. It's probably the bad term, but you.
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Speaker 1: Know, look, I mean, I don't admire, well, I admire
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Speaker 1: teachers because I think they're fucking amazing, but I don't
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Speaker 1: I'm not jealous of their job because it's such a
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Speaker 1: I think about that, like, I'm running a mentoring group
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Speaker 1: at the moment, which is online seven seen people on
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Speaker 1: a Monday night for ten weeks. It's a small group,
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Speaker 1: intentionally small group, right, And even with that, I've got
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Speaker 1: seventeen people. So that's seventeen personalities, egos, attitudes, backgrounds, you know,
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Speaker 1: body types, ages, demographic this that, and it's like, and
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Speaker 1: I'm a reasonably good communicator. I'm thinking, imagine doing this
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Speaker 1: every day, all day with thirty kids who've got, as
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Speaker 1: you said, aunts in their pants and who are all
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Speaker 1: predisposed to different things. That is, and you've got one
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Speaker 1: person up the front. That is a really tough gig,
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Speaker 1: so they're.
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Speaker 2: To be I think, I think, you know, Marty and
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Speaker 2: I discussed it, and you know I had parents that
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Speaker 2: went all in at a very similar age and it
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Speaker 2: paid off, and you know, Robinson's really talented and we
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Speaker 2: can see that. The system can see it as well,
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Speaker 2: so we just thought that's it. We're going to go
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Speaker 2: all in and pull him out of school. And he's
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Speaker 2: going through the School of Baseball right now.
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Speaker 1: Can you explain how that works? Like, I'm okay, So
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Speaker 1: I've got a kid, he's sixteen. Yeah, the great athlete,
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Speaker 1: potentially going to be a professional athlete. So what's the
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Speaker 1: what are the bits in the middle between where you're
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Speaker 1: at now and where you were? So do you apply
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Speaker 1: to the school? Do you send or well you don't
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Speaker 1: send videos these days? It's like, how does it work?
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Speaker 2: You know you still do? So, you know, I've been
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Speaker 2: around sport a little bit, so I have been. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: I said that really flquently. So I have been, have you.
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Speaker 1: So are you familiar with elite sport?
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Speaker 2: Oh?
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Speaker 1: Good to know. I'll just jot that down.
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Speaker 2: So I have been a little involved with just you know,
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Speaker 2: filming him pitch he's a pitcher, and being able to
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Speaker 2: cut a little show real And there are scouts in
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Speaker 2: Australia for Major League Baseball teams and they do come
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Speaker 2: to things like this Alien Championships, and there was quite
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Speaker 2: a few scouts that were interested in Robinson, so I
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Speaker 2: kept in touch with them and kept sending them videos
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Speaker 2: and updating on how he was going just playing local
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Speaker 2: club ball in the State Victorian State League, and there
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Speaker 2: was quite a bit of interest. So we kept in
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Speaker 2: touch with those scouts and then when he came across here,
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Speaker 2: he's had quite a few of them having a look
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Speaker 2: at him as well. So there are a couple of
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Speaker 2: pathways when it comes to baseball. One is that you
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Speaker 2: can go to US college and spent four years and
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Speaker 2: we've just actually had an Australian that has gone number
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Speaker 2: one draft pick, Travis Bazana yep. So we're talking about
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Speaker 2: a twenty two to twenty three year old guy that
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Speaker 2: spent four years in college in the system. So that's
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Speaker 2: one pathway. And the other pathway is that as a
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Speaker 2: seventeen year old, you can sign as an international signing.
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Speaker 2: So that's not available for US kids, it's only available
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Speaker 2: for internationals, and that window is open and available for Robinson.
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Speaker 2: So as of January fifteen next year, there'll be some
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Speaker 2: news that is kind of confidential right now, and as
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Speaker 2: much as I love you, I can't tell you. But
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Speaker 2: he'll take that next step as of January fifteen next year,
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Speaker 2: which is really exciting. So that pathway of international most
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Speaker 2: of them go to the Dominican Republic. All thirty MLB
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Speaker 2: teams have an academy set up down there, so the
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Speaker 2: younger players go down there and they play what's called
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Speaker 2: rookie ball, so they all play against each other, and
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Speaker 2: then the idea is you develop and move through the system,
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Speaker 2: so you go into the low A, high A, double A,
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Speaker 2: triple A than into the MLB. So again, and it's
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Speaker 2: like winning an Olympic medal, where there's a really small
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Speaker 2: percentage of people that can make first of all, an
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Speaker 2: Olympic team, and then it gets a really small slice
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Speaker 2: of that pike that can win an Olympic medal. It's
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Speaker 2: the same thing in this scenario that many players can
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Speaker 2: sign internationally or sign with an MLB team or a
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Speaker 2: minor league contract, but it's a really small percentage that
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Speaker 2: will make it all the way through to the MLB.
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Speaker 2: And you know, there's only thirty two Australians that have
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Speaker 2: ever played Major League baseball. Actually I think there's a
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Speaker 2: couple more that have just recently in this last twelve
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Speaker 2: months made it through. So it's a really small percentage.
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Speaker 2: But right now we have thirty one Australian men that
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Speaker 2: are signed to Major League Baseball teams as of twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. And so we'll get off the baseball in
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Speaker 1: a moment. Everyone certain my listeners, who are seventy percent female,
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Speaker 1: are like, fuck, can we move on past the baseball? No?
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Speaker 2: If you are, you know we have an Australian league,
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Speaker 2: so go and watch it. It's actually really really really
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Speaker 2: exciting and the Australian league's about start. So for us
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Speaker 2: it's the Melbourne Ases because we're both in Victoria. But
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Speaker 2: right around Australia there are teams that you can go
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Speaker 2: and support.
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Hey, so how tall is he? I
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Speaker 1: want to know how tall is he? What does he weigh?
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Speaker 1: This is the exercise scientist here?
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Speaker 2: Six four? He's sixteen? He he? Actually I don't and
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Speaker 2: he's sitting in the room. So I feel like I
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Speaker 2: need to ask him what he weighs now because when
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Speaker 2: I came over for the two months, I actually got
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Speaker 2: about I think about eight kilos onto him. I just
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Speaker 2: he was like a duck for pad or is it
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Speaker 2: a goose?
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Speaker 1: Of course I guess he weighs about two hundred pounds
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Speaker 1: now or about ninety ps.
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Speaker 2: No, he's he's really quite lean. I think I got
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Speaker 2: him up to about seventy seventy five seventy six, right,
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Speaker 2: So he does need to bulk up and put weight on,
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Speaker 2: and he does have a very fast metabolism. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: that that is a work in progress in terms of
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Speaker 2: getting enough food in and also being neurodiverse. Sometimes you
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Speaker 2: don't care about eating because there's something else to do.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's just it's just about actually recognizing that
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Speaker 2: getting enough protein, enough carbs, you know, and we've done
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Speaker 2: so you'll be unsurprised. You name an expert, including our
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Speaker 2: friend Jackie Lauder, we have you know, Robinson to go
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Speaker 2: and see that expert. So right down to DIETETICX nutrition,
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Speaker 2: we've gone and seen dietetics as well, just to try
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Speaker 2: and work through a plan which has been really helpful.
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Speaker 1: And the thing is, and I mean people kind of
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Speaker 1: get it, but they don't really get it. It's like
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Speaker 1: if you've got a great diet but you don't have
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Speaker 1: a strength and conditioning. Great strength and conditioning program kind
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Speaker 1: of doesn't it works, but not. And then but if
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Speaker 1: you've got a great conditioning program, but your diet's inadequate.
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Speaker 1: You can't build muscle because there ain't enough calories. And
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Speaker 1: then from a psyche point of view, if you overthink
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Speaker 1: the shit out of everything, well that kind of brings
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Speaker 1: down you know, focus and performance. And then if you
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Speaker 1: go on top of that, well, if you don't sleep well,
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Speaker 1: then your nervous system and your muscular system don't recover.
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Speaker 1: You know, there are so many variables in elite sport
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Speaker 1: that the app rich person understandably wouldn't think of. And
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Speaker 1: if you go, well, my goal is to play in
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Speaker 1: the best baseball league on the planet, you really spare
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Speaker 1: one hundred. You've got to be all over everything. And
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Speaker 1: it's like, in a way from the outside looking in,
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Speaker 1: people might say that's obsessive, but it isn't. It's just
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Speaker 1: what's required to perform at that level, right.
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Speaker 2: And to be a great, great athlete, leader athlete, you
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Speaker 2: do have to be obsessive. And if you speak to
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Speaker 2: any elite athlete, there is a bit of OCD in there.
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Speaker 2: But interestingly, OCD aside all of the things that we've
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Speaker 2: been doing for Robinson and he's been participating in, actually
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Speaker 2: do translate to real life. So if we bring it
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Speaker 2: back to your listeners, you know, getting enough sleep, eating
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Speaker 2: eating enough food, particularly women of my age, you know,
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Speaker 2: who are either perimenopause or menopause, thinking about getting enough protein.
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Speaker 2: In all of those kind of lessons that elite athletes
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Speaker 2: are taking do actually relate to real life life as
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Speaker 2: well and us functioning better as human beings. So it's
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Speaker 2: refreshed everything for me as well, just in terms of
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Speaker 2: seeing what he's doing. And although he did say to
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Speaker 2: me the other day, you're right, you've done your athletic
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Speaker 2: you've done your athletic days. You don't need to be
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Speaker 2: as we're in the pool and I'm a bit out
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Speaker 2: of breath as we're playing water volleyball. He said, Now
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Speaker 2: you've done, you've done your sports stuff. You're right, but
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Speaker 2: as you know, I've got to keep moving.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you do, we all do. We all do. But
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Speaker 1: I think, like all of the stuff that you did
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Speaker 1: as an athlete, where as you said, you need to
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Speaker 1: be somewhat obsessed, somewhat ocd in you know, not literally necessarily,
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Speaker 1: but where you've got to be hyper focused, hyper vigilant
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Speaker 1: and hyper committed. Otherwise you just even if you do
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Speaker 1: have the talent, you can't compete. But I think off that,
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Speaker 1: you know, you take that discipline, that decision making, that
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Speaker 1: work ethic, that ability to focus, and you just put
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Speaker 1: it into another process, right, another project that's something other
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Speaker 1: than sweat, and you've done that time and time again,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it certainly has been I think, and you
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Speaker 2: know me, I don't talk myself up very often, and
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Speaker 2: I certainly try not to self talk myself, but it
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Speaker 2: probably has been a bit of a superpower for me
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Speaker 2: to be able to and it's People often think it's
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Speaker 2: an easy process to reinvent yourself and go with something else,
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Speaker 2: but it's not easy, and it takes planning. And you know,
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Speaker 2: if I think about the distinct areas of my life
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Speaker 2: in terms of swimming, broadcast into sports administration, you know,
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Speaker 2: I often had them running parallel so that you know,
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Speaker 2: if one did absolutely fall over, I could really double
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Speaker 2: down on the other one. So everything has been very
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Speaker 2: well planned. Doesn't mean that I don't live on the
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Speaker 2: edge of the seat sometimes, but it's pretty well planned.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the stuff that, what's the stuff that with
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Speaker 1: kids that, I mean, you've got three kids, you've got
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Speaker 1: the twins, and you've got Robinson. But let's just go
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Speaker 1: with Robinson at the moment that you can't teach, you
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Speaker 1: can't influence, and in fact, if you try to get involved,
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Speaker 1: you just suck it up, like what's the stuff that
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Speaker 1: you've got to get out of the way and just
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Speaker 1: let him do him. There's only like because there's a
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Speaker 1: there's a line between the supported parent and the meddling
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Speaker 1: interfering parent, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I think, you know, I had that
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Speaker 2: experience with my own parents where Mum didn't know my
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Speaker 2: best time, she added in the back of the diary
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Speaker 2: and just in case one day someone stopped her and said,
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Speaker 2: how's Nicole going. She was the baker. She baked the
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Speaker 2: melting moments or the egos and bring them in the
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Speaker 2: tin at the petition. Whereas Dad was like, you know,
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Speaker 2: every moment of every day wanting to talk about swimming.
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Speaker 2: And you know, I have to thank him for a
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Speaker 2: lot because it was also his drive and determination knowing
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Speaker 2: and seeing that I had talent to be able to
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Speaker 2: get me where I am. So I think enabling enabling
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Speaker 2: Robinson and enabling Allah, enabling Josh, all three of them
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Speaker 2: are doing really well. But then allowing them to actually
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Speaker 2: do it. You know, I can't. I mean, I can't
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Speaker 2: even give our advice because she's a breastroker, so you know,
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Speaker 2: my breastroke ability is not great. So you know, I
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Speaker 2: give probably more overall opinions, but don't get into the
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Speaker 2: weeds or the details too much. The I think the
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Speaker 2: I guess the danger with Robinson is because he's the youngest,
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Speaker 2: is I do need to let him do more for himself,
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Speaker 2: which is why these last three months in America have
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Speaker 2: been really beneficial because he's had to do everything himself,
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Speaker 2: right down from washing to you know, cooking everything even
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Speaker 2: ubering himself to training. So he's he's done a really
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Speaker 2: good job in getting himself organized and knowing that he
19:52
Speaker 2: can do it. So I think, yeah, just trying not
19:57
Speaker 2: to be too all encompassing is really important because I
20:01
Speaker 2: had that experience with my dad. I do try not
20:04
Speaker 2: to be.
20:04
Speaker 1: Too full on. And what about with you? Do you
20:08
Speaker 1: can I be rude? How old are you now?
20:10
Speaker 2: How old are you?
20:12
Speaker 1: I'm sixty, I'm old as fuck. I'm a t rex bro. Yeah, yeah,
20:18
Speaker 1: you know what?
20:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I know I'm not not trying to fend off.
20:22
Speaker 2: You ask me how old I am, But for sixty
20:24
Speaker 2: you have really great handwriting.
20:27
Speaker 1: Thank you. It should be a fond Yeah, I've been told.
20:32
Speaker 2: That I'm fifty three.
20:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, but think about think about you and me though.
20:38
Speaker 1: It's like I'm not trying to be a I'm happy
20:41
Speaker 1: to be sixty. But I've never smoked in my life.
20:44
Speaker 1: I've never been drunk. I've never done drugs. I've trained forever,
20:47
Speaker 1: I eat two meals a day, I sleep great. I'm
20:50
Speaker 1: not stressed. It's like I'm not the best sixty year old.
20:54
Speaker 1: But for my genetic potential, I'm not bad. You know.
20:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, you're doing great. But it does take
20:59
Speaker 2: this sipline and it takes routine, right, I'm a lot
21:03
Speaker 2: of those same things. I mean, I do occasionally drink.
21:06
Speaker 2: I don't. In fact, I think the kids would say
21:09
Speaker 2: that they've never seen me drunk because I don't think
21:11
Speaker 2: I've been drunk. Same with Marty. I mean, we're not
21:14
Speaker 2: big drinkers. We don't smoke, we don't do anything else silly.
21:19
Speaker 2: So I do get stressed, though I try to hide that.
21:23
Speaker 2: But you know, there are things that stress me out,
21:25
Speaker 2: particularly the six years at the AFL there was a
21:27
Speaker 2: lot of stress in that.
21:29
Speaker 1: So can I just tell our listeners for those who
21:34
Speaker 1: have been living under a rock, Nicole was the boss,
21:38
Speaker 1: We'll just say, the boss of the afl W six years,
21:41
Speaker 1: among many other things she's done. But well, then pursuant
21:45
Speaker 1: to that your honor that stress, that like that busyness,
21:50
Speaker 1: that like, how do you keep like my mind's busy
21:54
Speaker 1: but it's not. But it's not stress busy for me.
21:58
Speaker 1: It's generally excitement, create activity, solving problems. And there's you know,
22:04
Speaker 1: which is not say there's never anxiety or there's never stress,
22:07
Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of it. How do you
22:09
Speaker 1: how do you manage you? How do you how do
22:13
Speaker 1: you try to be the calm and the chaos rather
22:15
Speaker 1: than just the chaos?
22:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I've got a really good group of
22:18
Speaker 2: friends who have been my friends forever, and we you know,
22:23
Speaker 2: we I think we provide that destressing for each other
22:27
Speaker 2: to be able to just have really honest sports and
22:29
Speaker 2: all conversations where they can say, no, you're being stupid,
22:33
Speaker 2: just pull your head in and forget about it, move on,
22:35
Speaker 2: or no, that sucks and that shouldn't have happened. If
22:39
Speaker 2: you're right to feel the way that you do. But
22:41
Speaker 2: now let's figure out how to how to fix it,
22:43
Speaker 2: how to work through it. You know. The other thing
22:45
Speaker 2: that I've started to do is because I always have
22:48
Speaker 2: a bit like you always have big ideas, and instead
22:52
Speaker 2: of chasing down the rabbit hole of those big ideas,
22:54
Speaker 2: bright shiny things, I've now got my book of inspiration
22:58
Speaker 2: and book of people and book of contacts. So in
23:02
Speaker 2: particular in starting this new job in later in November
23:05
Speaker 2: of the vis Victorian Institute of Sport, is that you know,
23:10
Speaker 2: your mind goes million miles an hour because it's something
23:12
Speaker 2: that I'm so passionate about. But I haven't met staff yet,
23:16
Speaker 2: I haven't met athletes yet to hear what they want
23:18
Speaker 2: and to hear where they're at and where their priorities are. So,
23:22
Speaker 2: you know, anything that I think is a great idea,
23:23
Speaker 2: I just put in my little book for another another time.
23:28
Speaker 2: And yeah, that sort of makes sure that it doesn't
23:31
Speaker 2: just keep churning around in my head. Yeah. I also
23:36
Speaker 2: take melatonin and I think that helps me sleep one
23:39
Speaker 2: hundred percent.
23:40
Speaker 1: There's a lot of so I do a lot of
23:42
Speaker 1: corporate speaking. As you know, I think you do a
23:44
Speaker 1: bit too. I do a lot and like a lot
23:47
Speaker 1: of the conversation in the last year or two. I
23:50
Speaker 1: mean it's been around for a while, but heavy focus
23:53
Speaker 1: on three main things that come to mind. One is culture,
23:56
Speaker 1: One is resilience. One is leadership style. Right, yeah, do
24:00
Speaker 1: you have a leadership style? Could you describe it? Are
24:04
Speaker 1: you intuitive, instinctive? Have you modeled yourself on anyone? Blah
24:08
Speaker 1: blah blah.
24:10
Speaker 2: Yes, I do have a leadership style. And this won't
24:12
Speaker 2: surprise you because we've known each other, FIANX. I'm very
24:16
Speaker 2: high with emotional intelligence in terms of knowing, and my
24:20
Speaker 2: intuition is very very good, often right, not often wrong,
24:27
Speaker 2: So to know when people are either struggling or not
24:32
Speaker 2: being able to do what they need to do or
24:34
Speaker 2: want to do, and to be able to have those conversations.
24:37
Speaker 2: So good with emotional intelligence, but also really good with communication.
24:43
Speaker 2: So to be able to listen and you'll note that
24:46
Speaker 2: I said listen before speak. To be able to listen
24:49
Speaker 2: to people and to hear their ideas and to be
24:52
Speaker 2: able to hear their issues and things that they're trying
24:56
Speaker 2: to work their way through as well. So I think
24:58
Speaker 2: that leadership. But then how said that you know, being
25:03
Speaker 2: being decisive is also, you know, a good leadership quality,
25:08
Speaker 2: and it's something that I think that I hold in
25:11
Speaker 2: good stead. So yeah, I'm not sure if I've exactly
25:15
Speaker 2: answered it, but.
25:16
Speaker 1: No, no, no, You know, the interesting thing is whatever
25:21
Speaker 1: the job is. You know whether or not you're a
25:23
Speaker 1: sports administrator, whether or not you're a mum. You know
25:27
Speaker 1: whether or not you're a bloody surgeon or maybe not
25:30
Speaker 1: so much a surgeon. I had a surgeon on the
25:32
Speaker 1: other day, brain surgeon, although he's a brilliant communicator. But
25:36
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like even for me
25:38
Speaker 1: as a back in the days when we work together
25:40
Speaker 1: and I trained you and me working with teams and
25:43
Speaker 1: me standing in front of corporate groups, it's all about
25:47
Speaker 1: It's largely about your ability to communicate and understand the audience,
25:51
Speaker 1: whether it's an audience of one or a thousand in
25:53
Speaker 1: front of you. You know, so much of about how
25:57
Speaker 1: well can you lead, how well can you teach, how
26:00
Speaker 1: well can you resolve conflict, how well can you solve problems?
26:04
Speaker 1: How well can you be part of a team. You know,
26:07
Speaker 1: it's really communication, isn't.
26:09
Speaker 2: It It is? It is, and you know a lot
26:11
Speaker 2: of those skills that are required also are skills that
26:16
Speaker 2: sport brings. So to be able to perform at the
26:19
Speaker 2: top level, to be able to be part of a team,
26:21
Speaker 2: to be able to you know, you're not going to
26:24
Speaker 2: get along with everybody, but to be able to be
26:27
Speaker 2: successful together is really important. So I think a lot
26:30
Speaker 2: of those things also attributes that most athletes are able
26:34
Speaker 2: to take from their sport into business.
26:38
Speaker 1: So my PhD. We spoke a long time ago, but
26:42
Speaker 1: you're very busy, you've probably forgotten what it's about. But
26:47
Speaker 1: it's a kind of self awareness called metaperception and in
26:51
Speaker 1: Layman's terms, metaperception and meta accuracy, which is how good
26:55
Speaker 1: you are at it is your ability to understand the
27:00
Speaker 1: experience for the rest of the world. Right. So in
27:04
Speaker 1: this little hierarchy of thinking, thinking about thinking is called metacognition.
27:11
Speaker 1: So where you start to think about why do I
27:12
Speaker 1: think the way that I do, Why do I see
27:15
Speaker 1: the world that the way I do? Why do I
27:18
Speaker 1: respond to Craig this way but Scott that way? Or
27:21
Speaker 1: where you start to you start to think about your
27:24
Speaker 1: own internal processes and cognition and so on. That's metacognition above.
27:29
Speaker 1: That is a thing called theory of mind, which is
27:31
Speaker 1: you starting to think about how other people think. Like
27:36
Speaker 1: you understand how your kids think well because you know
27:39
Speaker 1: them so intimately. But then when you come back to
27:43
Speaker 1: the vis and you're the boss, you're going to be
27:46
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how all the different disparate personalities
27:49
Speaker 1: and peoples and roles and managers. You know, you need
27:52
Speaker 1: to understand their role, but you need to understand them,
27:55
Speaker 1: so you need to understand how they think. And then
27:57
Speaker 1: above that, more specifically, is made a perception, which is
28:02
Speaker 1: how people see you. So my very fucking long winded
28:06
Speaker 1: question is what's your understanding of the Nicole experience. This
28:11
Speaker 1: is not a loaded question like how do you think
28:15
Speaker 1: you are for the rest of the world, because that's
28:17
Speaker 1: something obviously with my job, you know, I think about
28:21
Speaker 1: all the time whether or not I'm appropriate, inappropriate? Is
28:24
Speaker 1: this landing? Is this resonating to people? Understand? What's your
28:28
Speaker 1: take on that?
28:30
Speaker 2: I completely want to turn this around on you, Dr
28:34
Speaker 2: Craig Harper and ask you what your take on Nicole
28:37
Speaker 2: impact or effect is? You know, because I think when
28:42
Speaker 2: I think about me and when I think about people
28:45
Speaker 2: that I swam with as well. So the people like
28:48
Speaker 2: Grant Hackett, Kieran Perkins, Dank Walski, Linley Framed, Susie O'Neil.
28:53
Speaker 2: Everybody is really humble and they often will not talk
28:57
Speaker 2: big about themselves. And I'm that as well. So when
29:00
Speaker 2: you ask me about the Nicole effect, I have difficulty
29:06
Speaker 2: in answering that because you know everything you are as
29:10
Speaker 2: an athlete, which I know I'm not anymore, is about
29:16
Speaker 2: boarding ahead to continue to succeed, and not spending enough
29:20
Speaker 2: time celebrating or not spending it spending enough time talking
29:24
Speaker 2: it up or talking about what you do. You tell me,
29:27
Speaker 2: you tell me, what do you think it is? Because
29:30
Speaker 2: you've known me for long enough?
29:31
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, okay, So firstly, so a few things. Right,
29:37
Speaker 1: you're very very busy, so I try consciously not to
29:41
Speaker 1: bother you, or you know, maybe weish maybe I should
29:44
Speaker 1: not bother you, but you know we should get together
29:47
Speaker 1: every now and then have a coffee talk shit, which
29:49
Speaker 1: we don't enough, right, But we've known each other for
29:51
Speaker 1: probably over twenty years. But I also know with you,
29:55
Speaker 1: I think you're highly intelligent. This is I'm not telling you.
29:58
Speaker 1: It won't all be good, It'll mostly be good. We'll
30:00
Speaker 1: probably be all good. But I think you're highly intelligent.
30:04
Speaker 1: You're very adaptable and flexible, as evidenced by the different
30:08
Speaker 1: work you've done in the different spaces. You are socially intelligent,
30:12
Speaker 1: emotionally intelligent. You don't have a high tolerance for funckwits,
30:17
Speaker 1: which I like. Neither do I. Right, well, you don't.
30:22
Speaker 1: I know you don't. You don't have a high threshold
30:25
Speaker 1: for fuck withits me either. I'm like, and that doesn't
30:27
Speaker 1: mean but if somebody's just being a dickhead and taking
30:30
Speaker 1: the piss, I'm not interested. I don't have time for
30:33
Speaker 1: rude people, and I will tell them that. I will
30:36
Speaker 1: literally say that to you. You and I'm probably a
30:38
Speaker 1: bit similar. I'm very curious, you're very curious, ah, And
30:46
Speaker 1: I think that I think that some people would be
30:50
Speaker 1: intimidated by you. I think you are probably intimidating to
30:54
Speaker 1: some who don't really know you, because because of what
30:58
Speaker 1: I said in the previous statement, right is, you don't
31:01
Speaker 1: put up with Buckwitz. But I think you know. I
31:06
Speaker 1: always say I think my mum has the perfect mix
31:10
Speaker 1: of love, kindness and intimidation. Like my mum's five foot
31:14
Speaker 1: one and two, but a little bit fucking terrifying because
31:17
Speaker 1: you know exactly what she thinks, but also very loving
31:21
Speaker 1: and compassionate. And you're a bit that too. You're a
31:23
Speaker 1: bit like, I'm not scared of you because I know you,
31:26
Speaker 1: but I know that that certain people would be intimidated
31:31
Speaker 1: by you. And it's the same with me. I get
31:35
Speaker 1: that too, and I don't want to be intimidating, but
31:38
Speaker 1: I understand.
31:40
Speaker 2: But I think once you get up, once you get
31:43
Speaker 2: under the food, though, and you know, I think about
31:46
Speaker 2: this next experience, and that's one of the things that
31:48
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to. Four hundred and fifty athletes
31:50
Speaker 2: that are part of the vis over one hundred staff,
31:53
Speaker 2: to be able to get to know them, to get
31:55
Speaker 2: to know, you know, what their ambitions, what their dreams,
31:58
Speaker 2: what their goals are, and see how we can and
32:00
Speaker 2: together enable that is really important to me. I think
32:05
Speaker 2: one of the overriding things that is kind of in
32:09
Speaker 2: my engine and my DNA is to be kind. I'm
32:13
Speaker 2: really consciously choosing kindness because I think there's just too
32:19
Speaker 2: much unkind behavior that I see often and there's just
32:25
Speaker 2: no need to be unkind to people. So yeah, I'm
32:29
Speaker 2: trying to also because that sits in the joy bucket
32:32
Speaker 2: as well. And you know, if you think about dopamine
32:36
Speaker 2: in your body, being kind actually accuse you of dopamine hire.
32:40
Speaker 2: So yeah, that there, I think You've probably summed me
32:44
Speaker 2: up fairly well. And I think it's because from from
32:47
Speaker 2: an athlete day, you don't have time. You just you know,
32:51
Speaker 2: your clock is ticking in your moments of being able
32:55
Speaker 2: to succeed or fail. Uh, and you know, to be
33:00
Speaker 2: able to push through and have the people around you
33:02
Speaker 2: that you need, that you know wholeheartedly are going to
33:05
Speaker 2: get you to where you want to get to. And
33:07
Speaker 2: I think having that as a core crule around you
33:09
Speaker 2: as well as an everyday person having people around you.
33:13
Speaker 2: I remember Bill Sweetnam was our head coach for my
33:17
Speaker 2: first Olympic campaign and he actually said to us, if
33:20
Speaker 2: you walk into the change rooms after training and you
33:24
Speaker 2: know the rest of the team are in there and
33:25
Speaker 2: people are bitching and winging and moaning, walk away from it.
33:29
Speaker 2: It's contagious and you will suddenly feel exactly the same way.
33:32
Speaker 2: So don't buy into it. Just you know, continue to
33:36
Speaker 2: try and keep yourself up and keep yourself positive. So
33:38
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things from my swimming days that
33:42
Speaker 2: I still hold pretty close.
33:44
Speaker 1: What about? I love that? What about? Okay, So one
33:49
Speaker 1: of the things that I've said to lots of athletes,
33:51
Speaker 1: maybe you I trained you post swimming, but I've said
33:55
Speaker 1: to lots of athletes over the years, and even just
33:57
Speaker 1: the general public that i've worked with, not my job
34:00
Speaker 1: to make you feel good for four minutes. Right. It's
34:03
Speaker 1: like I'm not interested in fucking supporting your emotions if
34:08
Speaker 1: we're in a training situation.
34:10
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yea, yeah yeah.
34:11
Speaker 1: And it's like I will tell you what I think
34:13
Speaker 1: is the truth, and if you're not comfortable with it
34:16
Speaker 1: or you don't love it, that's okay. But know that
34:19
Speaker 1: what I care about is your long term success, not
34:22
Speaker 1: your short term emotional state. Now, of course, I don't
34:25
Speaker 1: want to be a prick and I don't want to
34:27
Speaker 1: be insensitive, but there are times, like you were talking
34:31
Speaker 1: about your friends that kind of keep you grounded or
34:34
Speaker 1: you can bounce off them. I call those people an
34:37
Speaker 1: unreasonable friend, right, someone who will tell you the truth
34:41
Speaker 1: or what they think is the truth, and give you
34:44
Speaker 1: sound feedback that you may or may not love, but
34:47
Speaker 1: they still love you like they have the best intentions
34:50
Speaker 1: for you.
34:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you, but I think in
34:56
Speaker 2: this day and age, and I don't want to make
34:58
Speaker 2: you feel old at sixty, and in this day and age,
35:01
Speaker 2: there needs to be a really healthy balance here, particularly
35:06
Speaker 2: a focus on well being and mental health and wellbeing
35:09
Speaker 2: as well. So we have to work hard, Yes, we
35:12
Speaker 2: have to be uncompromising when we are working hard, but
35:15
Speaker 2: there are situations from a holistic point of view, where
35:19
Speaker 2: athletes and people can't cope with what is going on
35:23
Speaker 2: around them. And I know you. You are actually pretty
35:26
Speaker 2: emotionally intelligent, so you know when to push and you
35:30
Speaker 2: know when to cuddle. And I've been a recipient of
35:34
Speaker 2: both of those, so I think that's actually a skill
35:38
Speaker 2: as well. But let's take it one step further. There
35:42
Speaker 2: is a magnitude of services. And I spoke about, you
35:46
Speaker 2: know Robinson seeing Jackie Louder. In fact, all three my
35:49
Speaker 2: kids have seen Jackie Louder. You know, to be able
35:51
Speaker 2: to seek help is not a sign of barness. It's
35:55
Speaker 2: actually adds clubs in your bag to be able to
35:59
Speaker 2: go out and play an amazing game. So to be
36:02
Speaker 2: able to put your hand up and say actually I'm
36:03
Speaker 2: not okay and seek help, I think is really important.
36:07
Speaker 1: How much you know, we've spoken about Jackie Lauder if
36:10
Speaker 1: you don't know who that is. Everyone's been on the
36:12
Speaker 1: show a bunch, probably five times. Arguably Australia's best sports psyche.
36:16
Speaker 1: Definitely in the top few. My favorite works with Collingwood,
36:20
Speaker 1: works with Melbourne Storm, works with a bunch of people
36:23
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, she's a gun. Having said that,
36:26
Speaker 1: and I know this is kind of a bit of
36:28
Speaker 1: a nath question, but I'm interested how much, well, for
36:33
Speaker 1: current day athletes like Robinson and all the young athletes
36:37
Speaker 1: at the vis, how much of success do you think
36:41
Speaker 1: is about them understanding their own mind and managing their
36:45
Speaker 1: own mind and psychology and you know all that stuff, excitement,
36:49
Speaker 1: arousal levels, that kind of cognitive, psychological and emotional self management.
36:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a really big part. And if anything,
36:59
Speaker 2: I think it's a much bigger part for the current
37:01
Speaker 2: day athlete because they are managing so much more. And again,
37:06
Speaker 2: you know, social media, all of that kind of stuff
37:09
Speaker 2: is just something that we didn't have to navigate when
37:12
Speaker 2: we were getting ready to try to be the best
37:15
Speaker 2: in the world. So to be able to navigate that
37:19
Speaker 2: as well as the performance side of things. I think
37:24
Speaker 2: it's huge. I think if you're not and I understand
37:29
Speaker 2: not everybody you know can afford to do it, but
37:32
Speaker 2: hope in the sports that you're in there may be
37:35
Speaker 2: some sort of service provided for you. But yeah, I
37:41
Speaker 2: think it's vital. I think it's vital for not only coping,
37:45
Speaker 2: but I think it's vital for long term success, a
37:48
Speaker 2: long term love of what you're doing as well, so
37:51
Speaker 2: that you actually end what you're doing in a really
37:54
Speaker 2: healthy way.
37:55
Speaker 1: That's such an interesting comment. I remember working with se
37:59
Speaker 1: Killed or High Dred years ago and some of the
38:01
Speaker 1: guys getting the ass who didn't think they were going
38:04
Speaker 1: to get the ass. They thought that another five years
38:06
Speaker 1: in the AFL and they had five minutes and some
38:10
Speaker 1: of the psychological and emotional and sociological consequences of that
38:15
Speaker 1: where their career ended. They didn't see it coming. They
38:18
Speaker 1: weren't ready, they had no plan. Yeah, that was pretty
38:22
Speaker 1: diabolical at times.
38:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the really lovely thing about this full
38:26
Speaker 2: circle moment with the Victorian Institute of Sport, where I
38:28
Speaker 2: was one of their original athletes in nineteen ninety and
38:31
Speaker 2: doctor Frank Pike was the original CEO of the vis
38:36
Speaker 2: along with Dedri Anderson, who was the mental health and
38:39
Speaker 2: well being person Athlete Career Education coordinator. I think she
38:43
Speaker 2: was and to work with them even back all that
38:47
Speaker 2: long time ago on what does my next phase look like?
38:50
Speaker 2: What does the phase look like? WHI whilst you're competing.
38:53
Speaker 2: I started working between my second and third and Big
38:55
Speaker 2: Games for Australia Posts. So I was doing thirty hours
38:58
Speaker 2: a week in the pool, but I also doing fifteen
39:00
Speaker 2: hours a week for Australia Posts because I wanted to
39:02
Speaker 2: get into doing you know, some kind of vocational work
39:06
Speaker 2: as well, and they facilitated that encouraged it. So I
39:10
Speaker 2: think the days of just not contemplating what else you
39:15
Speaker 2: can do, and I mentioned that about Robinson studying Spanish,
39:19
Speaker 2: you know, not just putting all these eggs in the
39:21
Speaker 2: sport basket as well, you know, I think being able
39:26
Speaker 2: to be holistic and think about who can help you,
39:29
Speaker 2: who ask for help? I mean my motto has always been,
39:32
Speaker 2: and I think you know this, you may as well
39:34
Speaker 2: ask for help because people might say yes, they may
39:36
Speaker 2: say no, but more often than not, people are going
39:38
Speaker 2: to say yes, what is it help you?
39:41
Speaker 1: Yeah? How much have you? Or maybe you don't so
39:45
Speaker 1: much anymore. But along the way, like you've become a
39:49
Speaker 1: very successful, high profile sports administrator, you already out of profile,
39:53
Speaker 1: but you know, to transition from you know, winning Olympic
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Speaker 1: medals and World championships and competing at three Games and
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Speaker 1: all that great stuff that you did, that's one thing.
40:03
Speaker 1: But to be able to run a large organization, which
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Speaker 1: you have done and about to step into again, how
40:12
Speaker 1: much of that was just learning on the job. How
40:15
Speaker 1: much of that did you lean on mentors and teachers?
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Speaker 1: How did that development happen? Because I mean, there are
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Speaker 1: people who have fucking PhDs in business who can't do
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Speaker 1: what you have done.
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Speaker 2: It was a little from Colin Am, a little from
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Speaker 2: Colin b particularly with the AFL. It was learning on
40:37
Speaker 2: the job. And whilst I'd been around forty all my life,
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Speaker 2: it was something that I did with my mum when
40:41
Speaker 2: I was growing up, going to football and cheering on Carlton.
40:46
Speaker 2: But that's a big difference from not playing the game.
40:51
Speaker 2: And there is an expectation that you have to play
40:53
Speaker 2: the game to be able to administer the game, which
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Speaker 2: I don't necessarily subscribe to. But I spent probably the
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Speaker 2: first six eight months feeling like I was about to
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Speaker 2: stuff up at any moment in terms of the wrong
41:05
Speaker 2: terminology or saying the wrong thing. So to actually have
41:08
Speaker 2: again that group of people around me, and sometimes they're
41:11
Speaker 2: different people, but a group of people around me that
41:14
Speaker 2: I could ask the you know, there's no such thing
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Speaker 2: as a silly question, even right down to terminology or
41:19
Speaker 2: learning exactly all of the rules and regulations etc. But
41:24
Speaker 2: also having a diverse group of mentors. So Peter Jackson
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Speaker 2: was one of my mentors who ran modern football for
41:29
Speaker 2: quite some time. And then I did a lot of
41:31
Speaker 2: programming as well with the AFL, and I had previously
41:35
Speaker 2: done that as well through the Australian Olympic Committee. I've
41:38
Speaker 2: done the Company Director's course, so you know, I'd done
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Speaker 2: a lot of micro learning. But to have someone like
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Speaker 2: Pete Jackson that and I really wanted Peter because I
41:46
Speaker 2: wanted him to be able to say, you know, here
41:49
Speaker 2: are the potholes that you need to be aware of. No,
41:51
Speaker 2: you're being a dickhead there, don't you know you're doing
41:54
Speaker 2: that wrong and to really give me that honest, no
41:58
Speaker 2: holes bar feedback. So to have him was really important
42:03
Speaker 2: to me. But then to have the relationships that I
42:06
Speaker 2: had within the business to be able to also get
42:09
Speaker 2: what we needed for women's football, because at that time,
42:12
Speaker 2: as well, one hundred and sixty years, the sport had
42:14
Speaker 2: only focused on men's football. And sometimes when you take
42:18
Speaker 2: the first step and oh, we've got a league, now
42:21
Speaker 2: we've done it, We've done it. But that wasn't the case.
42:24
Speaker 2: You know, we needed to build from eight teams to
42:26
Speaker 2: eighteen teams, we needed to get longer seasons, we needed
42:29
Speaker 2: to bring in income. There's so much that we needed
42:31
Speaker 2: to do so to be able to then have what
42:34
Speaker 2: I often call and I know you do this as well,
42:37
Speaker 2: often call it a hustle. You know, you need to
42:39
Speaker 2: be able to learn to hustle, and that's being a
42:42
Speaker 2: little street wise as well as to you may not
42:45
Speaker 2: win the battle, but you want to win the war.
42:46
Speaker 2: So take it off the table, don't try and fight
42:49
Speaker 2: it right now, find your allies and go back in again.
42:52
Speaker 2: So there was a lot of that as well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that I'm always thinking about what
42:58
Speaker 1: is the thing that I want to do the creative
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Speaker 1: chief change, and then who do I need because I
43:05
Speaker 1: can't most of it. I can't, like even this podcast
43:09
Speaker 1: if I set up this thing that I'm currently as
43:11
Speaker 1: if I set this up, and as if I edit it,
43:14
Speaker 1: and as if I up, the only thing I can
43:16
Speaker 1: do is string a few words together. Everything else on
43:19
Speaker 1: this show, like everything else is like Greg, one of
43:23
Speaker 1: my friends is editing this Melissa upload like it's it's
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Speaker 1: three people apart from me who do all this shit
43:30
Speaker 1: to make it happen.
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Speaker 2: You shouldn't do all the other stuff, because that's not
43:33
Speaker 2: what you're good at, you know. I think that's also
43:36
Speaker 2: a leadership trait is knowing what you're good at and
43:39
Speaker 2: trusting the people around you and trusting them to be
43:41
Speaker 2: good at what they're they're good at, so enough to
43:45
Speaker 2: have those people in your life, which which and you've
43:48
Speaker 2: you've got a lot of loyalty as well, You've had
43:50
Speaker 2: people around you for a really long time. Oh yeah,
43:54
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's pretty ace.
43:57
Speaker 1: Well, I think, yeah, It's just it comes down to
44:00
Speaker 1: what is the best use of me. Well, the best
44:02
Speaker 1: use of me is not trying to fucking edit this
44:04
Speaker 1: thing that you and I had because that would take
44:06
Speaker 1: ten hours and the big dog shit just before we
44:10
Speaker 1: let you go. So tell people where you're at. You're
44:13
Speaker 1: in Are you in Florida.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in Florida. I've just whipped back over because
44:19
Speaker 2: once I start the big job, I won't be able
44:22
Speaker 2: to travel quite as much because it is a big job.
44:25
Speaker 2: And we've got La twenty eight for Olympics and Paralympics,
44:29
Speaker 2: and we've got Brisbane twenty thirty two coming Winter Olympics
44:32
Speaker 2: as well. So I'm over here just catching up with Robinson.
44:37
Speaker 2: And we've chosen a week to come across to the
44:39
Speaker 2: other side of Florida, the Tampa side of Florida, because
44:41
Speaker 2: we're normally on the Port Saint Lucy side and there's
44:45
Speaker 2: a bloody hurricane coming. So we've just spent the last
44:49
Speaker 2: twenty four hours. Won't have been here three days, and
44:52
Speaker 2: it's been planned for a little while, but we spent
44:53
Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours buying the extra water, buying
44:57
Speaker 2: the nonperishable food. And then my daughter who lives here,
45:02
Speaker 2: who has now experienced this quite often, is ringing me saying,
45:05
Speaker 2: now fill the bath tub, get a bucket because you
45:07
Speaker 2: won't be able to flush a toilet, make sure the
45:09
Speaker 2: torches have got batteries. She's given me the rundown on
45:12
Speaker 2: everything that we need to do the cars filled with
45:14
Speaker 2: petrol now parked on the other side of the driveway
45:16
Speaker 2: in case the tree comes down. So that's going to
45:19
Speaker 2: hit in the next twenty four hours. And where we
45:22
Speaker 2: are is it's most American kind of communities have this
45:27
Speaker 2: rectangle shape. It looks like a dam, but it's really big.
45:31
Speaker 2: So the pool that's in the backyard will be the
45:33
Speaker 2: color of the dam by Friday morning. Yeah, we just
45:38
Speaker 2: have to hope. I think the laundry is the only
45:39
Speaker 2: place that doesn't have windows, so I'm not sure the
45:42
Speaker 2: six foot four boy and myself will fare very well
45:45
Speaker 2: in the laundry. We have to do that, but yeah,
45:48
Speaker 2: both baths will be filled with water and giddy up.
45:52
Speaker 2: Robinson just said to me, it's going to be actually
45:54
Speaker 2: pretty cool witnessing a hurricane, Like, really, it's a category three.
45:59
Speaker 2: All the locals are like, if it's four or five,
46:01
Speaker 2: that's when you've got to worry. I think Ian was five,
46:04
Speaker 2: Katrina was five. This is apparently intended to be a three,
46:08
Speaker 2: But I don't think you know until it hits land
46:12
Speaker 2: and it looks like it's going to hit right where
46:14
Speaker 2: we are.
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Speaker 1: Well, that is just quickly has what I'm not suggesting
46:21
Speaker 1: today B's debut either. But has Robinson done any media yet?
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Speaker 2: No, he hasn't done media, but he will have to
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Speaker 2: do media come January next year. We've said confidential announcement
46:38
Speaker 2: that will take place next year. So he's yeah. I mean,
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Speaker 2: he's a very articulate young man. But he's also sixteen
46:46
Speaker 2: as well, so that's that's a new experience for him.
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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, your ice, we appreciate you. When do
46:53
Speaker 1: you start at the vis? What's your kickoff date?
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Speaker 2: November eleven is when I start, So yeah, looking forward
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Speaker 2: to that.
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Speaker 1: Well, you and I'll have to catch up. I'll come
47:04
Speaker 1: in and you know, see if I can vacuum the
47:07
Speaker 1: foyer or something, get myself a part time, just bask
47:11
Speaker 1: in your bloody glory.
47:14
Speaker 2: We can just have a latte somewhere on your local haunt.
47:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we could do that. All right, we'll say
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Speaker 1: goodbye fair but Nick, thank you, congrats on the new gig.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for spending some time with us on the new project.
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Speaker 1: And I'll see you soon.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Greig,