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EXPOSED: Trump's COVERT War Against the European Banking Cartel w/ Tom Luongo · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Seth Holehouse: Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. One thing that I'm trying to always understand deeper is what's happening behind the scenes at the global financial level. Because if you look at these different warring countries, you look at the Ukraine, what's happening with Ukraine or Israel and Iran or America and China, There's the the documentary that was recently going on called all wars are bankers' wars, or maybe it was a a podcast or something going on talking about all wars are bankers' wars, and it's actually very true. Like, if you look at any wars and you trace them back, you can see that they're being financed by the banks, oftentimes on both sides.
• 0:58
  They're caused by the banks. The wars are started for different reasons, resetting financial systems, collapsing countries to come in and use debt slavery. There's so much happening. And so right now, when we look at these tariff wars, you look at what Trump is doing with China, you know, how he put all these massive tariffs off and very quickly pulled them back off the EU. There's been a lot of discussion of what's going on, who's the real enemy, and what is the bigger picture.
• 1:25
  So my guest today, Tom Luongo, who always has a very unique perspective and a very fiery way of delivering his perspective, has a lot of evidence and actually a lot of just knowledge that shows him that what's actually going on right now is that Trump is waging a war against the European banking system. Right? The Bank of England, the city of London, you know, the the banking cabal as it's commonly, you know, referred to. And so what Tom's gonna do in this episode is just lay out all the information that shows that Trump is actually going up against this European banking system. And while everyone's focused on the trade wars with China and what's happening with Xi Jinping, You know, what Tom is saying is that the real battle is happening between the American banking system and the European banking system.
• 2:13
  So this will be an interesting show. He gets detailed and and gets really into a lot of financial language. I do my best to pull things up and make sure I'm following. So just I'll give you that warning ahead of time that it is a very financial discussion, but I I like that because I'm learning so much. Also, give you another warning.
• 2:31
  As Tom admits in the interview, he is a a an angry old man. So he's actually a lot of fun, but he does swear quite a bit. So if you've got kids that watch or listen to you, yeah, I think he drops the f bomb a few times and, you know, has some choice language. So just that's my fair warning to you that, if you've got kids, you know, earmuff them or, you know, this maybe this is the episode they they sit out on. So, anyway, I hope you enjoyed this interview with Tom.
• 2:59
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• 5:16
  A lot has happened.
• 5:18
  Tom Luongo: Yeah. You could say. I know that a lot of people are quoting this recently, and I'm I'm and I'm willing to ever quote Lennon, but, yes, there are some weeks when years happen. And, yeah, that was last week. And so far this week, it's been, you know, it's been another week.
• 5:34
  But in this kind of time frame, I guess, well, you know, some weeks, decades happen, you know, then that's the so I think we're in like, we're at the yearly pace right now. Things are starting to slow back down again. So
• 5:45
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. And so I always enjoy speaking with you because, you know, I'll let you give yourself a quick background just to help, you know, for the the people that are watching that, you you're a new face to them. But I find that you're the one person I talked to about the merger of, especially geopolitics and finance and global economics that you oftentimes present a wildly different view than what I might have come to. But then after I listen to you, it's like, oh, it makes so much sense. And so I always appreciate because you're you're you're so you you really sing to your own tune, which I appreciate.
• 6:19
  And and, so, anyway, before we dive in, you know, give people just just a short quick background on you, and and then we'll kinda dive in to understanding what's happened, globally with with finance lately.
• 6:30
  Tom Luongo: Sure. So, in a formal life, I was a chemist and a very angry, young man. Now I'm a very angry old man. And I I've been doing this of intersection of geopolitics and finances. I started, working for Newsmax back in 2013.
• 6:50
  I started editing their, newsletter for them back then. That gig lasted for about four years. It ended. I moved on. I started Gold, Goats, and Guns, which is in fact just an extension of what I was doing then at Newsmax.
• 7:03
  I'm now back with Newsmax and still do Gold, Goats, and Guns. I did both of them now. I did an ultimate wealth report for them, and it was it was lovely. I was I was in New York last week for the for their ringing the the bell at the New York Stock Exchange after the IPO, was very cool. And it was nice to see, you know, the company have that kind of success after watching the ups and downs of the last twelve years, especially with the ups and downs of the Trump administration and and, the interregnum as we were put it called the Biden hunter.
• 7:31
  But, yeah, I mean, what am I I'm just a guy who lives in North Florida, does this thing, and, you know, I come at this from a, you know, mostly free market and, you know, one would call libertarian perspective, but unfortunately, I've had to leave the libertarians, the modern libertarians behind because they don't care about anything other than, being right and they don't care about actually winning. So I have to move on and I'm not sure that we call ourselves post libertarian or something else or if the libertarians have just purity spiraled into their relevancy kind of like they're I'll be honest with you, they almost feel like what I'm not a I'm not a big fan of James Lindsay either in his old woke right thing, but I mean, if there was a if there was a a group that would consider themselves who I would consider now having purity spiral like the woke have, I would be it would be those in that absolutist camp about, you know, free markets and private property and everything else. So, like, they're not wrong philosophically. It's just that we live in this world where that's not gonna we're we're not getting there anytime soon, folks.
• 8:26
  So why should we concern ourselves with being philosophically correct about everything and then trying to just, you know, argue about how many Rothbard's can dance on the head of a pin, which is what they're still doing after thirty five years, and I have no interest. Murray warned you about about this before he died. Remember, he voted for Pat Buchanan. Okay. So that's so if you wanna know the shorten it shorten the the short and the sweet, I'm an iconoclast in every way because and I don't pull punches, and I don't care.
• 8:55
  You know, I don't care. I I don't have to because, like, my pay my patrons pay me not to care. They pay me to give them the straight dope as I see it, and I'm so very thoroughly happy, and, I'm loath to use the word blessed, but, you know, happy to, provide for them at that level on a daily basis. And then any podcast that I do, well, you're gonna get the same thing that I give them. So
• 9:19
  Seth Holehouse: Well, so there we go. That's what I like about you is that you've always got your cigar, and and I know you're always being honest. Angry people I find are typically very honest because there's just no filter, and then it just which I
• 9:31
  Tom Luongo: I appreciate. Well, yeah. I mean, well, yeah. No. I mean, look, I I you know, someone asked me the other day.
• 9:36
  I was like, are are you I'm I'm I'm nothing more than a guy with a with a big chip on his shoulder and a grudge against globalists because they've destroyed the world and they've destroyed so many people's lives. And, you know, and and at the end of the day, these globalists are nothing but, you know, vampiric pedophiles and communists. And there's an intersection between those two. There's a a great overlap between vampiric pedophiles and communists in the Venn diagram on that. And everything else is just and everything else you hear about them is just marketing.
• 10:06
  It's, like, really the best way to put it. It's just marketing. They're just trying to market themselves like everybody else. Oh, no. Really?
• 10:11
  We our our brand of communism is better than the ones that we instant we we we put in place in other places around the world. We killed hundreds of millions of people. Like, really? Tell me more.
• 10:21
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly.
• 10:22
  Tom Luongo: Exactly. You know? I'm in a weird mood this afternoon. So
• 10:28
  Seth Holehouse: That that's good. I'm I'm not
• 10:30
  Tom Luongo: sure where we're gonna wind up.
• 10:31
  Seth Holehouse: Be fun. Well, I mean, so there's there's so much going on. But looking at
• 10:36
  Tom Luongo: Mhmm.
• 10:37
  Seth Holehouse: The intersection of geopolitics and and economics, which are and now become fused together, especially with these tariff wars and trade wars, you've got Trump, you know, really putting the screws on onto China with the tariffs. You have all these videos going viral from China exposing how cheap these goods are, these luxury goods are being produced, and which I think is part of, you know, the the the the Chinese, their version of propaganda to make sure that they're undermining the West, which it's true. A lot of propaganda is true. But it's like, okay. What's what's behind it?
• 11:06
  So how do you make sense of all this? Because you've also got Europe, which is seems like to be just a continuing mess. So how do you how do make sense of what's going on right now? Right?
• 11:19
  Tom Luongo: They're the real target. Something just got lodged in my throat, I hope it's not a piece of my cigar. Sorry about that. No. Actually, the real target is Europe.
• 11:30
  And I found these these Chinese propaganda videos about I saw one this morning of this this, you know, this this black guy in Houston, like like, with his Gucci flip flops that he paid $400 for him. Like, anybody who pays $400 for a pair of flip flops deserves to, deserves nothing but a program. I don't care how much money you owe you have. Like, I would never buy I have you know? Yeah.
• 11:51
  No, dude. I'm sorry. I I could I could be worth $400,000,000 tomorrow, and I would still shop at Amazon. Like, you know what I mean? And Walmart because, well, you know, that's where I I shop.
• 12:03
  So but the, what I found funny about that is, like, there's these $400 Gucci flip flops that, you know, he could that they cost 75¢ to make and I you know, some amount of time to design apparently. And Europe's the the target of that, not not The United States, because Gucci is not an American brand.
• 12:29
  Seth Holehouse: Louis Vuitton is not American. These are a lot of these are just it's LVMH brands.
• 12:34
  Tom Luongo: Yeah. These are all there's Louis Vuitton and all that and all that stuff. So it's it's all Europe. That's actually the target of those videos, which I find really funny because, you know, we're not gonna buy them anymore. We're gonna go and we're gonna buy them.
• 12:46
  See, I find the funny part about that, like, yeah, you can go buy the the same version of them over at Walmart for $12. And I'm like, because they were made in China for 75¢. Well, we can make them here in The United States for a buck and a quarter and we can sell them for $16 and those same idiots we just slap a mooching label on them and then, you know, like and then, you know, look, it's the same thing. Right? It's funny being an an ex New Yorker and I've been, you know, I've seen this my entire life because, you know, my dad was NYPD.
• 13:16
  And I distinctly remember a time when my brother came back from the city one time having bought a Bolivar watch off the side of off a street vendor in New York, and of course he got scammed because he missed the eye, the extra I. So it was actually Bolivia. It wasn't a Bolivia at all. It was something, you know, and, and that's that kind of stuff has been going on. Those kind of cheap knockoffs of of luxury brands is that's just New York's you know, that's just, you know, New York street vendor stuff that's been and three Card Monte stuff that's been going on in time memoriam.
• 13:46
  And so that's where we are today, and I I find it really funny that, you know, you blow Chinese blow the the lid on that and, okay, well, then you're not gonna have that business, you know, in the future either because no one's gonna buy any of it. So the Chinese aren't gonna be making those anymore and exporting them back, you know, and exporting them back to the Europeans. The Europeans aren't gonna be able to to charge their massive markups. And the whole thing is just gonna the whole idea of these high value added economies is all nonsense. Yeah.
• 14:21
  And this is the funny part about it is like at the end of the day, we're gonna see a it it we're gonna see a massive contraction all the way across the board. Not just of you know, I've been saying for years that with, the Federal Reserve raising interest rates to where they are, that we're getting a contraction of credit across the board, that the whole Eurodollar system is now starving for oxygen and it's true. And so they can so every time we attempt to finalize finally get out from underneath that the old Eurodollar, LIBOR, European bank controlled system of pricing our currency for us, thank you very much, we would rather do that ourselves. Every time that happens, there's a major run on our bond markets. There's always a major run on our bond repo and currency markets when we saw that last week.
• 15:08
  And nominally, what I under when I've been able what I was able to piece together, and I I might not have the whole story, but what I saw was, you know, a whole lot of dumping of US treasuries, long end of the yield curve into the market, probably some of which was converted from thirties and tens into ones and twos, one years and two years, but a lot of it was just converted back into German bonds and you know, and French bonds and whatnot. But in the process, those markets are so much smaller than the amount of money that they dumped onto the market, you can't hide those sizes of those transactions in the largest market in the world. If they didn't dump a lot, the the treasury market would have just absorbed it and would have been overdone, but they had to dump a lot onto the market. And when you do that and you sell treasuries, you buy dollars, you sell dollars, you buy euros or British pounds or Canadian dollars, but then where do you put the money from there? You don't just sit in Canadian dollars.
• 16:11
  You then have to bleed that off. Otherwise, the Canadian dollar would go through the roof. Right? Or the euro would go through the roof. Well, they don't want it to go through the roof, but they don't but they can only have it rise, you know, somewhat.
• 16:24
  And you saw the euro rise from a dollar 9 to a dollar 13. You saw the Canadian dollar rise of, you know, a few pennies. You you saw the the British pound rise from about a dollar 27 now to a dollar it's trading about a dollar 33 today. They're not done selling. They're still doing this.
• 16:37
  But they're now selling in in numbers that can't move the underlying credit markets in order to create any more panic. And they they dumped so much onto the market that they blew up a lot of trades. And by doing that, you know, they tried to force liquidations and margin calls and the seizure of the plumbing of the financial markets.
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• 18:24
  Tom Luongo: Turns out, as much as they try to seize the markets up, it didn't actually happen. The last time we saw something like this was during COVID. And the time before that would be the repo crisis of September twenty nineteen. And I think before that would be the, the interest rate rise in January of twenty nineteen because Powell raised interest rates in December 2018. And then by the Fed meeting, in 2019, the ECB sort of had to things started to seize up.
• 18:53
  The ECB had to cut. The Powell had to cut. And then nine months later, we got the repo crisis, really, and it showed up in silver. And then we saw and then the whole seizure of the market during the excuse that was COVID. So the question now everybody has to ask themselves, and I think it's a fair one to ask, if that, if things rhyme.
• 19:15
  Right? Was last week equivalent to the repo crisis of September twenty nineteen, and are we now on a countdown clock for the six months when they're gonna blow it up again for real. Because now the markets are are jittery and and people are trying to exit trades and trying to figure out how to reposition themselves, and so the markets are gonna be, you know, worried. But the interesting part about that potential analysis is the following. In September 2019, it required the Fed to come in and and reopen the standing repo facility and give the banks access to hundreds of billions if not you know, the short term trillions of dollars worth of temporary liquidity, which, you know, was bled off over time.
• 20:00
  That's what the Fed's supposed to do. It's not QE like Zero Hedge wants to, like, blame everything, call everything QE because Zero Hedge has advertising to sell, and that's cute and all, but it's not QE. Let's let's get the hell out over ourselves. It's just what the Fed's supposed to do, which is to provide access to temporary liquidity because that's what the Fed is ultimately that's its job. It's its primary job.
• 20:22
  It's always been its primary job. Whether you agree with that, it should be in the market doing that job. That's a different discussion for a different day. But this is the Fed. It exists, and this is its job.
• 20:33
  So that happened. And generally in stuff in times like this, you know, I remember saying back then, well, similar thing happened during the, the seizure of the markets, the repo crisis in 09/02/2007, which led to the March 2008 vaporization of Bear Stearns, which then led to the February September 2008 vaporization of Lehman Brothers, which then took down, you know, everybody else. Right? So now that so but they but here's the thing. In every one of those previous scenarios, there was a need for massive intervention by the federal reserve, and this time there wasn't.
• 21:17
  Nothing happened. All that happened was Powell came out and said or one of the couple of Fed Fed governors came out and said, we stand by ready to give the market whatever liquidity it needs. We didn't actually panic or anything else along those lines. And what did Donald Trump do? Donald Trump turns around and goes, oh, okay.
• 21:36
  Great. We now know who's attacking our markets. I'll put a ninety day hold on the tariffs. 4,000 rally in the Dow. Treasury yields go down by 20 basis points.
• 21:49
  Dogs and cats no longer are are living together again. You know, we're all it's all it's all good. The state pop marginal man stays over the horizon and doesn't come in to level New York City. Right? But we now we know who's big mad.
• 22:06
  We know what they're willing to do to stop dead cold any amount of of, of The US changing the rules of the game.
• 22:23
  Seth Holehouse: So Now the interesting Just to make sure that I'm I'm caught up with you real quick is that so Mhmm. In in response so, obviously, Trump slapped on tariffs. It's almost like he was on, like, a tariff shopping spree. He just, know, tariff, tariff, tariff all over the place. And so you're saying in response to that, all these different these countries, sovereign banks, central banks, perhaps some of them
• 22:43
  Tom Luongo: Specifically no. This is specifically Europe and the city of London.
• 22:47
  Seth Holehouse: Okay. Let us They started dumping
• 22:49
  Tom Luongo: Let us not be confused about the State Bank of Vietnam has no ability to make the Fed do anything. Okay.
• 22:56
  Seth Holehouse: Okay. So city of London funds
• 22:58
  Tom Luongo: has no ability to make the the Fed do anything. But the ECB, the bay the Bank of England, and the and the Bank of Canada do because they control between them something like $3,400,000,000,000 worth of US treasuries.
• 23:13
  Seth Holehouse: I see.
• 23:13
  Tom Luongo: So They make China's holdings look like, you know, Saudi Arabia's. I see. They only the Saudis only control, like, a 27,000,000,000. But when you factor in the Bank of England, all of its subsidiaries, Ireland, which is now call holds over $300,000,000,000, Canada holds over $300,000,000,000. The Caymans holds over $400,000,000,000.
• 23:34
  Bermuda, the Bahamas, the British Virgin Islands, blah blah blah blah blah. When you factor all that in, hell, I under normal circumstances, I'd even I would even put Hong Kong and Singapore on that list as well, but I don't. And the way I break out the the the the holdings when I look at the treasury international capital report, I break it out. I I hope I give Singapore and Hong Kong a miss. I I I I just think I just want them move with the rest of Asia because for the most part, they haven't been doing anything.
• 24:02
  But Europe has been gorging on US treasuries since Powell started tightening. In order to keep the euro from, from collapsing, it the euro's weakened, but the in order to keep it from collapsing and to keep European bond yields from rising too far too fast, which would then fuel the the destruction of the euro, they've been buying a ton of US treasuries. By the way, that number is as of January, is the last CSC report, that number was over $1,100,000,000,000 from September of twenty twenty one to January of twenty twenty five. It's a lot of that's a lot of treasuries. And it's all tens and thirties, sevens, tens, twenties, thirties.
• 24:38
  It's all long dated US treasuries. Okay?
• 24:41
  Seth Holehouse: I see. So so Trump puts all these tariffs on. While everyone's focused on China and and and the the kind of sparring between Xi and Trump, what it did is that on day one of those treasuries all hitting, as you mentioned, it's like you you you stick your head out from behind the the the wall, and you see who's shooting at you. Right? And
• 25:00
  Tom Luongo: and You actually actually look and see who's shooting. Right? It's not the Chinese because if we saw it because if the Chinese were selling en masse, aside from the fact that Chinese have a whole lot of dollars, they could just don't put them on the market anyway. Say they were the Japanese. They actually have dollars.
• 25:18
  It was you see it in the currency crosses. Because, again, no one's sovereign debt market is bigger than The US market. Right? Otherwise, The US would not be the world's root. What's the definition of the, the global reserve currency?
• 25:32
  The fact that 60% of global far central bank reserves are held in US treasuries. That number used to be 75. Now it's 60. It's on its way to 55. It's on its way to fifty and forty five, and it's gonna go away over the course of time.
• 25:46
  It's what we want. Right? It's been flirting with the 60 number for a couple of years now. So that market dwarfs the German bond market. The Germans have not issued $37,000,000,000,000 worth of you know what I mean?
• 26:01
  Like, they haven't. Neither have the Chinese, neither have the Russians, neither have anybody else. Like, no one has that level of sovereign debt out there in the world. So they all peril in comparison. So if there's massive selling in the US treasury market, then there's no way to hide what you did by dumping it into other assets that you control.
• 26:28
  It's gonna show up in the currencies. And it's exactly what we saw. We saw a massive rise in the euro over twenty four hours, like a $4.04 cent move in the euro, a 3¢ move in the the British pound. Same thing with the Canadian dollar. They were all dumping into the market.
• 26:44
  And that was their that was their signal that we will blow up your your your your your credit markets, and we will blow up, all the interest rate derivatives and all the and and the and the plumbing system of the money markets. We will blow those up in order to get you to back off on the tariffs. Now the funny part about it is that Trump didn't really back back off on the tariffs for them. Canada didn't have really even got a tariff because the only thing that Trump tariffed were the were the were the things that Canada was importing that didn't that violated the USMCA, which is very little of our trade with Canada. Our beef with Canada is that it's a narco state that works with China bringing fentanyl into The United States, and and the globalists who and the of the Laurentian elites in Ottawa refused to help us with this.
• 27:32
  And their banks are all, dirty up to the freaking kills with this this stuff because there's no way that size trade cannot go without without Toronto Dominion and Bank of Montreal and CIBC and all the rest of them turning a blind eye to it and helping it happen. Otherwise, like, there would be cartels on the on the on the Minnesota border with pallets of cash like we see in Mexico. We don't see that, as my friend Alex Kranner, like, pointed out to me the other day. So it's gotta be going through the Canadian banks. So they're dirty, and they need to be taken out or they need to be dealt with.
• 28:06
  And that's why Trump that's why Canada's been in Trump's sights on this. And I have this from I have this from directly from people within the administration that the reason that we're angry with Canada is over over the fentanyl trade coming out of China. Stop it. But is it is it just China, or is it also coming out of freaking Europe? Because opium wars are a British thing.
• 28:28
  The Chinese have a real long history on this. A real long memory on this. So you pick your poison as to who actually did all who was actually doing this stuff. I don't care. I just know that these people dumped a whole lot of treasuries on the market and will not get the actual smoking gun until June when the April 2 TIC report comes out.
• 28:49
  Because it comes out sixty days in arrears. So they've got sixty days to paper everything over. And, oh, by the way, I check the TIC report every month, and I can tell you that no one's data gets restated more often than Europe's. Everybody else could seem to give us a a number that's durable. That month to month to month is the same, But I go back and I have to I look at the report, and every time I go through it, I'm like, Jesus Christ.
• 29:11
  So the so Bermuda has to, like, restate their their their holdings, like, for the last nine months or Germany or the Bank of England. Like, really? So they're even lying to The US when they tell you tell us what our what their holdings are until there's an actual proper audit done. This the the data in there as a data guy, as a former chemist, as a data guy, it drives me nuts because I have to be careful every time. I can't just go and grab this month's data and add it into my spreadsheet.
• 29:43
  I have to go back and check the last year. And, of course, it's, you know, presented to you in the worst way imaginable, and it's and your eyes cross over as you're looking through these, you know, these, these, these terrible frigging web tables that they publish the thing and they can't just like give us a frigging spreadsheet, like they can't give us an Excel file, they do it on purpose. It's just awful. So you have to like sit down and do the work every month for an hour, hour and a half and actually, you know, rebuild your freaking data your database of it of of data and it's it's awful. And every time, like, every time I I I note something, just I'm like, oh, look, they're restating their data again because, you know, they didn't want that headline written last month.
• 30:27
  And, like, it's it's I I I'm I'm so freaking over it, man. I really am. These people were scum. They lie about everything, and we just need to shut up and stop it. The Chinese just want a safe face and get out of this thing.
• 30:39
  Okay? I mean, they really do. Just want to get a safe face, get out, be done, and cut a deal. It's Europe that has still has pretensions of starting World War three, breaking up Russia, and sub re subjugating The United States. And they absolutely think they can do this.
• 30:57
  They're delusional, but they think this. And I was listening to Martin Armstrong yesterday on, on Alex Jones. And, I mean, Marty's been saying a version of this for years in his private blogs and some of his interviews and whatnot, but he has flat out told us what the what the game plan is. They have a twenty year plan for war, and they plan on going to war for the next twenty years. I'm like, no.
• 31:21
  We need to kill the European Union in the next three to ensure that that doesn't happen. We need to we need to end France as a concept, and I mean at the governmental level. I don't mean French people. I mean, the the Republic Of France needs to go away. And I know Macron needs to be clapped in irons and thrown in a hole.
• 31:39
  Same thing with Kirstarmer. Same thing with Ursula von derland. Same thing with all these people. All those bureaucrats in Brussels need need to go away, and this world would change tomorrow for the better. And every day and twice on Sunday, if you're worried, if you're trying to figure out what the hell is going on in the world, just just just assume it's Europe, and then, you know, people ask me all the time.
• 32:03
  They're like, why are you so accurate? It's because I I because I always just assume it's those guys. And then I'm right. And the rare time that I'm wrong, I go, well, I was wrong. Okay.
• 32:15
  It was those guys it was those guys working on behalf of Europe. Like, you know I mean? Like, at at the end of the day, like, who do you think blew up Nord Stream? You think it really was the Americans? No.
• 32:24
  It was the British and the Poles along with the Ukrainians. That's who it was. We gave them a little bit of technical assistance because we have we have traders within our government. But why else who who else would wanna blow up north the Nord Stream pipeline? Not the Americans.
• 32:38
  Who else would wanna destroy relations between Germany and Russia? So The same people who've been trying to destroy the destroy the relationship between Germany and Russia for three hundred years.
• 32:53
  Seth Holehouse: So you think that
• 32:54
  Tom Luongo: Nothing's changed.
• 32:55
  Seth Holehouse: So that there is there's a war, a trade war, and it's it's actually much bigger than that, but it's really it's to simplify it, United States up against the European banking system. Right? The the the the banking elites out of
• 33:11
  Tom Luongo: the European colonialist banking system.
• 33:13
  Seth Holehouse: And so what do you think you know, there's lot of people that say that, okay. Trump's playing four d or five d or 10 d chess, whatever it is. What what do you see as the end end result of this? Like, what's he trying to to do?
• 33:27
  Tom Luongo: What's he trying to okay. He's trying to accomplish that we get to price our own dollars, irrespective of them. We of what they want. They have to it's our dollars, your problem. We want that to exist for those who are still desperate, who are still terminally short dollars.
• 33:46
  Now Zoltan Pozzar reminds us of those that's now our commodity is your problem, but guess who's a major commodity producer? Not just Russia. The United States. Canada. Okay?
• 33:58
  So part of what's going on here is Europe is desperately trying to hold on to Canada as their last source of collateral, energy and raw material collateral. And Trump is, you know, is attacking it directly, but they're doing but the way they're going about it in Ottawa is the worst way imaginable. It's like they always do, which is they they these people do not negotiate. They do not know how to negotiate. They know how to set they know how to create ultimatums, and then they stick to their guns.
• 34:27
  And then they put their feet in the sand, and then they blame you for saying no to them. Putin, Greece in 2015, the Americans over and over and over and over and over again. Everything is always you have no right to say no to us because we are eternal. We are inevitable. We are insouciant, wise, and better than you Europeans.
• 34:52
  No. You're not. But they that's the way they view the rest of the world. They just see the rest of the world as the help. I've been saying this for years.
• 35:01
  And and it's and and I and I and I don't mean to be flip about it. And I'm not talking to, you know, I'm not talking to some guy who lives in Hamburg who runs a shoe shop, like a shoe repair shop. I'm not talking about that guy. I'm not saying that about about German people. I'm saying that about Germany's leadership, and I'm talking about talking about the EU's leadership.
• 35:22
  And then and, like, we have, you know, useful idiots here in The United States who support the globalist agenda within our government, and we have plenty of them. Most of them have blue hair and wear nose rings and have 13 cats. The same thing exists over in Germany, and the same thing exists in The UK and in London and Paris and everywhere else. There are plenty of people out there who are fellow travelers, and we should all look in the mirror and go, am I a fellow traveler with these evil pedophilic vampires? We here in America in majority now are saying we're not, and we're real sorry that we we that that we went along with these people in the past, but we're not doing this anymore.
• 36:07
  So our goal is to get out from underneath the system. And if you and if you stop bitching about us, stop bitching about it because you think Trump is going about going about it badly or because you just don't like his uncouth New Yorkness, get over yourself. That's the path to liberation from these very same people who are destroying you and are getting ready or spinning up to steal your wealth, steal your savings, destroy your pensions, steal your savings, default on sovereign debt, and issue you a digital currency that you will never be able to get up from underneath of. So you're about to get impoverished, and you're complaining that Donald Trump puts out mean tweets. Like, I'm sorry.
• 36:46
  You have a solipsism problem, and you need therapy. Sorry. Like, I I I I I want to be sympathetic. I I want you to be on I wanna be on the same side as you. I wanna fight the same fight and get rid of these people.
• 37:01
  But if you're not going to, I I can't feel bad if you're not willing to. I look I I live 25 miles north or 20 miles north of the city of Gainesville, Florida. It's like shit lib central. Okay? Literally, the the the city and county commission are all prominent members of the DNC for Christ's sake.
• 37:20
  They take their talking points off of Emily's list every Monday morning. Okay? They run the city like it's Seattle, Washington in the worst way imaginable. That's their goal, and that's exactly how they go about it. And it's terrible.
• 37:32
  And then we have the university, which has been just just a hotbed of unbelievably bad policy. And I got news for you. I would like all of those people to be saved, but those people are over there torching their Teslas or turning them in and buying more Subarus. Like, that's what they're doing. Just waiting till Leon must buy Subaru.
• 37:50
  I don't know what they're gonna do at that point. But they're mad at Toyota at the same time, who's, by the way, a a majority owner in Subaru, and they're mad at Toyota because, you know, the the new Prius isn't a full electric vehicle. These people are crazy. They don't make any sense, but and they don't wanna be saved. Okay.
• 38:07
  Well, if you don't wanna be saved, that's fine. We're gonna go save ourselves, and by proxy, we might save you. And maybe one day you'll thank us, but we're not we're not holding out hope. And it's the same problem around the rest. It's the same problem with the with the elites in with the the the the liberal elite in Canada and and Ottawa, in New York, California, Paris, London, same play same problem everywhere else.
• 38:29
  They don't wanna be saved by mouth be breathing Americans that they look down their down their nose at who are uncouth and, you know, eat hamburgers and and and carry and strap guns on. Like, they think we're just they they they think we're Neanderthals. That's nice. We may be, but I got news for you. We're right, and that's all that really matters.
• 38:50
  And we're the ones with the power and the ability to stand up because we have the institutions to stand up to what's happened what's always happened previously in Europe and say no. And the key to that has always has been what I've been saying for four years. The key to that is a secured overnight financing rate, which prices dollars for the rest of the world based on what's going on in American markets. And during all of this stuff, through everything that was happening, the short end of The US yield curve did not budge. Yes.
• 39:21
  The SOFR markets were a mess. There was insane levels of of of of volume going through the SOFR three month futures, market. They were the market was moving ten, twenty, 30 basis points a day. This is a market that if it moves three basis points, that's like an earthquake. So I don't know what happened during but that's what was going on.
• 39:40
  So, you know, to give you an idea, we're now another layer on the financial Richter scale. We're another layer higher. But we're four days later, and we're back to normal. Because you can't maintain weeks upon weeks upon weeks upon weeks of turmoil unless you're really melting things down. And Trump very smartly just said, oh, I'm sorry.
• 40:03
  My bad. Ninety day hold. Well, okay. Why? Because it was only coming from one very specific corner of the market, and that market could not create a, could not manufacture reality.
• 40:20
  The rest of the market came in and went, oh, okay. I'm not worried anymore. And then they got overwhelmed, and then they had to flip and go along.
• 40:29
  Seth Holehouse: Oops. You see a lot these moves is
• 40:31
  Tom Luongo: And that's
• 40:32
  Seth Holehouse: a good thing.
• 40:32
  Tom Luongo: We find out who these people are, and now we know what we have to do to stop them. Every time they try one last point. Every time they try to do this from here on out, because we have markets that are much more reflective of what's happening in our space, they can't create a crisis somewhere else and then have it travel to our shores and rip through the the plumbing of the financial system. Now we've got plenty of traders on Wall Street. We got plenty of traders over BlackRock and State Street and Vanguard and all the and we have plenty of traders.
• 41:09
  And I can tell you that they can all be taken out. We can the guy the the the real power in on Wall Street can take out BlackRock.
• 41:21
  Seth Holehouse: Really?
• 41:21
  Tom Luongo: Because BlackRock's not that big a company. BlackRock controls a lot of wealth.
• 41:26
  Seth Holehouse: Yes.
• 41:27
  Tom Luongo: But it doesn't it isn't a very big company. BlackRock's a $40,000,000,000 company. Shareholder equity, 400 $40,000,000,000. Saving a large cap. It's all it is.
• 41:43
  $40,000,000,000 worth of shareholder equity. It controls 9,000,000,000,000 worth of your four zero one k assets. And it votes your proxy, and it appoints members to the boards of the companies that you now hate. And that's where its real power is. But BlackRock is go look at its balance sheet.
• 42:02
  Go look at an income statement. Go look at their financials. You tell me to tell me that JPMorgan of Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley couldn't take out BlackRock tomorrow? Why do you think Larry figures out they're they're screaming about what's going on? Because he knows how vulnerable he is.
• 42:20
  Because if he pushes this shit too far, Diamond, Solomon, and the rest of them will take his ass out because now they've got because now they got their boy Trump in the White House because they're the ones who put Trump in the White House. They're the ones who who ensured that that Powell was here for a second term. Read watch Jamie Dimon. He's smirking the entire way. It's hilarious, and that everybody gets it all wrong.
• 42:44
  It's hilarious. Every time Dimon speaks, I'm like, I can't help myself. Think that's funny, but you have to know what you're looking for.
• 42:54
  Seth Holehouse: So you think that basically I know we've discussed this in previous shows that that Mhmm. Trump and and these American bankers, right, that this you know, the American banking elites, that they are decoupling from the European banking system and working to destroy the European banking system. Because, you know, going back to the creature from Jekyll Island, the central, you know, the central banking system
• 43:17
  Tom Luongo: Gotta go back 300 years.
• 43:18
  Seth Holehouse: Going back to the Bank of England, right, tracing back all the way into these original control mechanisms that have really, you know, through their debt, you know, debt slavery and everything they've done, that they've controlled a
• 43:33
  Tom Luongo: lot of
• 43:33
  Seth Holehouse: the world for a very, very long time. And and and they've they've not just controlled it and kept it going, they've taken it and they've led it into a pit that's kind of falling down into hell. Right? Like, it's it's been a pretty you know, whether it's, you know, getting a depopulation, all the things that that are happening at that level.
• 43:50
  Tom Luongo: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:51
  Seth Holehouse: Right? Yeah. And so and so you think that that Trump is that that there is a, basically, a a hidden except for people that know where nowhere to look. But to the public, there's this covert war happening between the American banking system and the European banking system. Yep.
• 44:10
  But it seems like that that the, you know, that the American banking system has the upper hand, that the European banking system has has way over leveraged with the Ukraine war. They don't have the natural resources that we do that. I mean so so where do you see that? If if we were to win this war, right, if if if Trump was to truly decouple our us from that European banking system, right, what does that look like? How how does that change our way of life?
• 44:37
  Because these things seem
• 44:39
  Tom Luongo: It changes our way of life because we go back to a system that's not wasn't designed by them. It's not a regulatory state with high taxes, high, high regulation, you know, this prevention principle running around everywhere and and trying to keep us from doing anything. It's a low tax, low regulation world pre 1913 in conception, and and and and and because, again, conception is the wrong word. Just, you know, in in architecture. Right?
• 45:12
  And it's gonna have hype it's gonna have, you know, relatively high protection tariffs. The federal government is gonna be a lot smaller, and it's gonna take less of our money. And we're gonna have a domestic digital current, digital version of the dollar. And I know this is I I know that's a bridge too far when you say digital dollar, and everybody freaks out. I got news for you.
• 45:32
  90% of dollars today are digital. They don't there aren't dollar bills for every liability. There's not big stacks. There's not pallets of hundred dollar bills over over your local bank, folks. It just isn't.
• 45:43
  You know? There aren't billions of dollars sitting in a vault somewhere. Those are gone. Those days are over. Most dollars today are digital in the first place.
• 45:52
  What I mean is a separate domestically current domestically circulating currency that is only available to Americans and backed by, you know, either treasury instruments or sovereign wealth fund or whatever that is owned by Americans, with an external dollar that's probably gonna look a whole lot like a stablecoin market. Now here's the interesting part about a stablecoin market. Like Tether. Let's look at Tether now. I've been accused recently about from from some jackasses on Twitter as to say that I shill for Tether.
• 46:24
  I do not shill for Tether. I just read the room. I don't care whether Tether is good, bad, or indifferent. As a matter of fact, as far as I'm concerned, I think at this point, I think Tether is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Federal Reserve. That's my personal opinion.
• 46:35
  Take it for what it's worth. I don't care if you don't like it. You can disagree with me. I may be wrong. It's my opinion.
• 46:44
  It well, hey. That's just like your opinion, man. Like, you know, to quote the old the great Lebowski. But
• 46:51
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• 47:10
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• 48:43
  Tom Luongo: What is how is Tether operate? Tether operates as a heat sink for marginal treasury demand because Tether's market cap is has to you know, Tether is overcapitalized. They put out their quarterly statements every you know, they put out their quarterly statements, and it's mostly short what you would expect. Short term treasuries, so a little bit of long term treasuries, a little bit of gold, a little bit of Bitcoin, some other stuff. You know?
• 49:06
  But for the most part and, you know, if they've got a hundred and 15 or $20,000,000,000 market cap at that point, they probably got a hundred and $40,000,000,000 worth of assets simply because some of the assets in their portfolio have risen in value because mark because they don't, like, they don't turn their entire portfolio over every day. Right? Because, you know, that's how that happens. So you take a snapshot of Tether's balance sheet every every three months, and every three months, the thing looks relatively overcapitalized. Cool.
• 49:32
  Well, I got news for you. They actually have those treasuries. They don't have interest rate derivative swaps that they, you know, that they're that they're pulling out with the Bank of England, which have been, you know, claimed 14 time by 14 other people. And no collateral was posted to post that same write that they write that same contract to 14 different people with no collateral posted, which is what you can do in city of London, because you can rehypothecate any freaking debt instrument infinitely by posting zero collateral. Very important.
• 50:04
  Can't do that in The United States. So the stablecoin market because of if they if the if the the the Fed start to move towards a federal reserve starts to well, just in general, if the treasury are to move towards a stable coin market for offshore dollars, meaning the Eurodollar system gets removed from the European banking system and moved onto the blockchain controlled by American companies like Tether, like Ripple, and others, then they'll have to post one to one collateral to get access to those euro dollars. And if they don't have to pull it posted, Ripple will have to go get it in the marketplace, and there will be backing there. But there's not gonna be any way to they're gonna have to figure out how to get the dollars to buy what they need. You know?
• 50:58
  They're gonna have to get the they don't have to pledge the asset a real asset to get the stablecoin. They're not going to be able to fake it to make it. So that becomes a very interesting thing. That's like the end of the whole SOFR versus LIBOR thing. We we went from a completely, fake system of infinite, debt rehypothecation, especially when we were at the zero bound on interest rates where you where money's free so you can just go get infinite amounts of liquidity.
• 51:30
  Now it's gonna cost you four and a half percent. Maybe in the future, it'll cost you three and a half percent by the end of the year. Fed's gonna cut rates a couple times this year. And that puts a limit on your leverage, and that's what the world looks like. Okay?
• 51:49
  Now are they all now do I believe that all of the old European banking clans are going to be destroyed in this? No. Are they going to be lessened in power? Yes. Are they gonna be forced to submit to their masters on Wall Street?
• 52:04
  In my opinion, yes. But that will also mean Israel submitting to The United States on foreign policy. It means the Iranians submitting to the Russians on foreign policy. It means Ukraine being over the the the Nazi regime in Ukraine being overthrown. I I I I am very comfortable with using Putin's terminology as far as Zelensky and what's going on with the those Azov motherfuckers over in over in over in Ukraine.
• 52:28
  I have I'm I'm over it. I'm so over it. I was over it when years before the the the war even started. I've had to, like, you know, at least give lip service to, well, maybe they have a point because the Russians did actually invade. So you know?
• 52:41
  But now that we're three years into this, and they've had multiple chances to get off to to to, you know, to get off the war train, and they've chosen they've chosen death every time. Well, you know, sorry. I have no sympathy for you whatsoever. You made your bed with Boris Johnson and Emmanuel Macron. You deserve everything you got.
• 53:01
  Seth Holehouse: And so how do you see things panning out? Looking at the the the the massive debt bubble global. Right? Looking at the Mhmm. The the the stock market, you know, here in America.
• 53:13
  Like, how does this play out here? How does it affect the economy in Europe? Right? I mean, do you do you see this continuing and having some sort of massive economic crisis in Europe? Will that spill over into America?
• 53:27
  Tom Luongo: Yeah. I mean, ultimately ultimately, we're talking about the end of the year European Union. We're talking about them, but we're trying to but we're trying to force it on our time schedule, not theirs. Right? We're like like, they were trying to force liquidation on us and the liquidation of The United States on our on their timeline, not ours.
• 53:44
  We've turned the tables on them, and now we're trying to and Trump has really accelerated putting the screws to them. Okay? And he's done that with the tariffs. He's done that with NATO spending. He's done that with all of these things.
• 53:55
  It's like, oh, really? You wanna rearm? Great. Go ahead and do so. I know you guys didn't wanna do that and start doing it until 2030.
• 54:00
  Well, now you're gonna do it in 2025. And Putin, by the way, is gonna, you know, is setting up for a massive campaign this summer in Ukraine. I mean, all the signs are there. I was reading some stuff this morning. I I couldn't argue with it.
• 54:13
  Like, they've they've they've done their shaping maneuvers all across the Ukrainian front line. And Vlad's just, like, waiting. Oh, we're not gonna get anywhere in negotiations with the Americans on this? Okay. And they're gonna go through what's left of Ukraine, very, very quickly, when they decide to do so.
• 54:39
  I think they have not I think they've been holding back. I do not think Russia's been fighting in any way close to their capability. And now they have a close to million 1,000,000 or one and a half million man army that is both trained, battle hardened, you know, organized. They have remade some of their, and and and modernized some of their their material, their military logistics. They've rebuilt a lot of their logistical hubs in the Donbas.
• 55:05
  They're now getting ready for a big push into, you know, towards the Dinepa River. And, you know, they just basically said, look. If you guys don't come to the table, we're gonna take Zaporizhzhia, and we're gonna move into Dinepa Pirovsk, and there ain't enough fucking thing you can do about it. And we're now into, you know, that's nice. Make me.
• 55:27
  We're into make me politics. I want you to stop. Make me. But you have to do this because it's because we said in the make me. And the Europeans have no ability to make anybody do anything other than attack in the financial markets.
• 55:41
  It's the only power they have left. Now in 10 if if this drags on for ten years, they will have power. They will have rearmed yada yada yada. So this has to be cut off now. And what I see is a world with rump Europe and rump Ukraine.
• 56:01
  And for our stock markets, in the short term, it's just gonna be choppy. We're getting really close to to sell in May and come back after Labor Day. It's where we're coming to. And I think it would be good for the for the equity markets to just tread water for six months. I think they need to.
• 56:19
  I think we need to have a nice, slow grinding reorganization of where capital needs to be. I think we need to pull out all of this fluff in the mag seven, not Apple per se, because I think Apple is actually like I think actually Apple is worth its price point. But the other ones are like, Nvidia and the I this it's it I just think they're they're fluff. Right? So they become easy targets that you can you can boost them up with leverage, and then you can create panics when you start selling them.
• 56:54
  Like, they're just they're time bombs waiting to go off. When you have stocks like that trading at not two, three hundred times earnings, like, dude, they're just time bombs waiting to go off. Right? So
• 57:06
  Seth Holehouse: So you think the market is heading for towards a pretty massive correction just from from No.
• 57:12
  Tom Luongo: I think we already had a massive correction. I think just a trending sideways for six months and choppiness between 40 and 40 5 grand for six months would be on the Dow would be great. I think it would be very good for everybody to for everybody's expectations. Maybe we'll see it try dip into the mid thirties, but I'm sorry. The Dow is down 5% for the year.
• 57:31
  It's down 11% off of its high. When did we all become such, you know, unrepentant pussies that we can't have a 10% we can't handle a 10% correction in the stock market? Really? Oh, right. Because boomers.
• 57:47
  Never mind. Sorry. That was that was probably rude, but mostly true. So I mean, I'm serious. Like, it it it it boggles the mind.
• 57:59
  Like, we had an we had an equity bear market in this country from 1966 to 1982. Like, the Dow didn't get above $6.70 for sixteen years, and it didn't dominate headlines every day. Oh my god. The world is ending because the Dow is not rising. Like, are you kidding me?
• 58:20
  Like, most people don't even have stocks in the first place. The only people who who are complaining about this are the ones that are all relevered. And the only way they can make money is by goosing markets with cheap monetary heroin to higher levels. That's how they make their returns. The two and twenty carried interest guys have gotta get got you know, gotta they have to go out and get real jobs.
• 58:38
  I I got news for you. We have a lot we have a lot of ditches to be dug. So you know? And you guys will all hang out at the gym when you're done trading, so you guys should all be in great shape to go dig some ditches and and build some fucking roads. I got potholes in my in in my county road.
• 58:54
  I need them fixed. Why don't you go why don't you go do that and stop scamming everybody for picking up nickels in front of a goddamn freight train and then and then demanding a bailout? Like, how about you go ready? How about you go fuck yourself and we call it even? Like, I'm over it.
• 59:10
  I seriously. Like, everybody just needs to stop. Like, it's really dumb. I know. I I I try not to be, like, overly salty sometimes depending on the show that I'm on, but this is just so obnoxious.
• 59:22
  Like, you know, my friend Dave Colm is like, dude, we should have a 90% correction in the stock market. The Schiller PE has corrected from a high of 37 back to 33, and we're supposed to and we're supposed to, like, think that the sky is falling? Well, yeah, if you're in city of London, but fuck those guys. Like, I don't care. I'm I'm done with them, like, thinking they're entitled to rule the world.
• 59:48
  Like, I'm just over it. So Larry Fink can go scratch and Vanguard and State Street can go scratch and, you know, and all and and and Frederick Mers over in over in Germany can go rearm all he wants and so that, you know, Putin can blow them all up because that's what's gonna happen. Period. Because, look, if you want the Ukraine war to end tomorrow, this is really simple. All Trump has to do is cut off satellite, access for it's all he's gotta do.
• 1:00:19
  So but if I but if if I'm negotiating with Putin right now, I hate to say this, but I'm gonna be rude. If I was Putin right now and I was I would be saying to Trump, don't shut off the satellite. Don't shut off the satellites. Let the Brits and the French dump their guys in there so I can kill them all. So we can end this, then shut the satellite service off.
• 1:00:45
  Seth Holehouse: So you think that that Trump and Putin have a
• 1:00:47
  Tom Luongo: Oh, by the way, think they did that the other day, by the way.
• 1:00:50
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, okay. So so you you think that they have not not to say they're allies, but they have a mutual enemy of the European banking system, and and that they understand that that enemy has to be taken out. And so Putin getting them to continue to kinda pour resources and money and troops into Ukraine is a great way to bleed bleed NATO dry. Right? And to bleed their banking system It's
• 1:01:14
  Tom Luongo: been my it's been my it it's it's been my thesis about how Putin's fighting this war for three years now. I've or, you know, literally for three years. I I I I've I've done this in many a podcast and I'll do it one more time in case you haven't gotten it. There is that great scene in that otherwise marginal movie, Return of the Living Dead, where the zombies take kill all the kids that are having sex in the graveyard and then the cops show up because there's a disturbance. The zombies kill all the cops, and then the zombie gets on gets into the car, gets on the radio, and goes, send more cops.
• 1:01:45
  That's how Putin has been fighting the war in Ukraine. Send more troops. Send more weapons. Spend more money. Spend more blood and treasure.
• 1:01:56
  Please do so. We've got a 55 millimeter dumb artillery shells, and we make more of them than you do. We have better drones. We have better satellite coverage. We have better this.
• 1:02:08
  We have better targeting systems. Every time the HIMARS would shoot and the and you'd see the, like, the neocons at the Atlantic, like, crow because the because the HIMARS system took out some medium value target beyond Russian enemy lines. What they neglected to tell you is that thirty five seconds after that HIMARS fired, it was killed. Just once it lights itself up so but I got I mean, I've I've played so many games against against guys. I'm like, why did you do that?
• 1:02:40
  That was dumb. You shot your wad, and now I killed everything. And they're like, but I got a good shot off. I'm like, but I won. But I got a good shot off.
• 1:02:51
  Okay. I won. Let's play again. Like, you know, I mean, I don't know. I could I I and I'm watching them do this, and I'm like, they really but they really do think in Brussels that and at Davos that they can outlast Putin, rearm, and they think they can win this war against Putin and Trump and g and you can see what they're doing.
• 1:03:21
  So, okay, to tie all this together is the one I just said. Why did they attack the markets the way they did over the tariffs? It wasn't the tariffs. They weren't trying to get Trump to stop putting the tariffs on. That was Trump's countermove.
• 1:03:37
  What they were trying to do was push the long end of our yield curve up high so that we couldn't refinance that mountain of debt that Yellen issued during the Biden hunter that has to be rolled over this summer at low rates. So they used that as the excuse, and then they tried to blame the Chinese for it, then they tried to blame the Japanese for it, but they didn't. They dumped the long end of the yield curve in order to keep the thirty year at 4.8%. We keep the ten year at 4.5% because they didn't want us trying to re finance at 3.9 or 3.75%. Because and what does that do?
• 1:04:22
  That says, okay. But they also, at the same time, they sold tens and thirties, and they moved some into the ones and twos, creating a nice inversion in the belly of the our yield curve. So now it's enticing to wanna roll out that debt that Yellen issued at one ones and twos with to do it again. Roll it out and and not go out in duration and fix the fiscal problem for five, six, seven, eight, nine years so that we can get lower refinancing rates, lower interest rate payment, lower interest rate costs so then we can start fixing the budget. Because that's gonna be a so that 75 basis points, that's a lot of money.
• 1:05:03
  That's 75 or a hundred billion dollars a year that, you know, weren't so what are they doing? So so by doing that and by making it enticing to the, okay. Fine. We'll just roll him over for a year or two years, and then we'll but then where are we then? The refunding the refinancing wall starts showing up for the twenty six twenty twenty six election cycle, for the twenty twenty eight election cycle.
• 1:05:24
  They think they can outlast Trump, get rid of him, and then use fiscal mismanagement as a way to as a as a way to hang him on his own petard to then ensure that J. D. Vance doesn't take, you know, doesn't take over in 2028 running with Tulsi Gabbard or something like that. Because you can imagine that ticket at this point in time. You think that's beatable by Gavin Newsom or by AOC and Bernie Sanders?
• 1:05:52
  Are you
• 1:05:52
  Seth Holehouse: kidding me? Michelle Obama. She's she's got a podcast now too. So
• 1:05:56
  Tom Luongo: Oh, okay. Yeah. Big Mike. Yeah. Big Mike's not Big Mike has no interest in running the country other than running into the ground, and Big Mike can you know?
• 1:06:04
  No. Sorry. So I don't even wanna like, I I don't even wanna entertain the idea of Michelle Obama as president. It's just so dumb. She doesn't even want the job.
• 1:06:15
  So, but that's the the current situation. Gavin Grusome over in, over in California still thinks he has a shot. There's no way. Like like, Vance and Gabbard is an unbeatable ticket in 2028. Unbeatable ticket in 2028.
• 1:06:30
  Period. It's unbeatable. And, so you can see the way once you understand the way these people think, right, you can begin to realize what their strategy is. So it's always extend to pretend. It's always you know, if they can't win, extend and outlast, and we'll we'll get to it we'll get to it later.
• 1:06:52
  And then what they'll do in the in in the meantime is then they'll accelerate their plans to go for political and fiscal integration of Europe and tighten the screws on their own people so that they can present a united front to global capital and say, look. See, we are we are stable. We're Europe. We're great. We're wonderful.
• 1:07:20
  We're doing all these things, and they're create and they're, you know, and they're a mess over in America. That's been the narrative for the last four years. They're just trying to continue the process. So there's gonna be a summer of violence. You know?
• 1:07:32
  There's gonna be new there's gonna be some new version of BLM riots. They've already, like, they've already, you know, they've already trial ballooned that shit with the, hands off rallies last couple weeks ago, you know, and the elbows up rally for the with the boomers over up in Canada, which were just hilarious, by the way. So so pathetic. We're gonna wind up taking half of Canada in all of this as well. The Western half of Canada is gonna gonna probably break off.
• 1:07:59
  Seth Holehouse: I don't
• 1:07:59
  Tom Luongo: know how. I don't know whether it's gonna happen.
• 1:08:03
  Seth Holehouse: So so you think in this I mean, there's a real possibility over the next couple of years potentially that the large aspects of this European banking system won't won't exist anymore. Like, they they they can't can't
• 1:08:18
  Tom Luongo: Well, no. Or it'll be subordinate to the Americans. And I think the key is gonna be Italy. I think the key is Italy.
• 1:08:24
  Seth Holehouse: Why so?
• 1:08:26
  Tom Luongo: Well, because George Maloney is is is coming to Washington tomorrow. We're doing this on the sixteenth tomorrow. She'll be in Washington DC to negotiate a bilateral trade agreement if she survives the Italian deep state. And, oh, by the way, Sergio Amaterallo, the president of of Italy is, he's got heart trouble. And he's only, like, 82 years old for Christ's sake.
• 1:08:45
  He needs to shuffle off this marble coil as well. Like, the rest of these guys are all undead. I think there's only there's not enough adrenocrome in the world to keep these people I I I kid. I don't really believe in the whole adrenochrome thing. I just I I like to throw it out there just to you know, again, they're vampires.
• 1:09:00
  But the but Matarella has been the fulcrum on which Italian politics has turned, and he's way overstepped his balance as president multiple times over the past ten years in order to enforce Davos' will on Italy. And once he's gone and that old and now Berlusconi's gone and a lot of the old a lot of the old enforcers of the old order are beginning to die off in in in in Italy. And Maloney has the opportunity here, to fully side with The United States and then break with Europe on tax and trade policy completely. And if she does that and she survives it and there's nothing and there's no amount of sanctions that the EU can put on Italy in return, it'll break the European Union. Italy breaks Italy is a and I'm not even just talking about Italy.
• 1:09:56
  I'm just talking about what happens if Maloney winds up effectively usurping the power of the European Commission and forcing them into a subordinate role because, you know, because that's not even a subordinate role. Just that, like, she pricks the the, in the armor of their invulnerability. Right? Of their of their of their, maniacal hold on power. Right?
• 1:10:28
  If Italy is able to go its own way on a trade deal with The United States, it calls into question the entire concept on which the entire European Union is predicated, and it's one of the three most important countries in the EU, Germany, France, Italy. Without without all three of them on the same page, there is no European Union. The rest of this doesn't matter. So watch carefully how Maloney continues to navigate things with Trump. I'd start to watch Spain, certainly watch Greece, and then also watch the way the Balkans are shaping up.
• 1:11:00
  And we watch that whole southern underbelly of of the European Union. And you'll realize that the Germans don't have a leg to stand on in terms of how to control them. Because if America says, no. You guys work for us, and they all go, absolutely. We like working for you guys.
• 1:11:19
  You don't suck. What happens then? What do the Germans do? They they can they can they can complain all they want, but there's nothing they can really do about it. And to be honest with you, there's enough internal division within German politics, not just with the rise of AFD.
• 1:11:37
  I'm talking about within the the the social democrats and the Christian democrats. Right? The CDU and the SPD. Like, those those parties are not monolithic anymore either. They're being torn apart at the seams by all these Davos Davosian machinations to try and extend to pretend and everything else.
• 1:11:54
  So, if you thought Olaf Scholes was unpopular in Germany as chancellor, just wait till people get a hold of Fredrik Merx, and he tries to, like, take them to war with Ukraine. Alice Weidl will be will be chancellor in in Germany faster than anybody can say, you know, Schadenfreude. And that's exactly what we'll all have at that point because it'll be hilarious. But
• 1:12:16
  Seth Holehouse: And what what is the translation of that word?
• 1:12:19
  Tom Luongo: No. Schadenfreude. That's where you're like that's that's the that's where, you know, you're you're embarrassing it's it's, embarrassing irony. Like, the irony of it is that, I think I think that's the best way to put it. It's it's that it's, it's the outcome that,
• 1:12:41
  Seth Holehouse: you
• 1:12:41
  Tom Luongo: know, god, there's a there's a way of of shotting for it is just the best word for it, but, it's it's like, oh, I get to gloat over your incompetent. I get to gloat over this outcome because I told you this was gonna happen. It's like a mixture of of irony and I told you so, I guess, and and the best way of putting it. I was like, I understand. I know what the word means, but I can't like for some reason now, I can't describe it.
• 1:13:04
  It's a it's a very word. But, yeah, just look it up. It's like, shot before it's perfect for this. So
• 1:13:09
  Seth Holehouse: So there's okay. So there's some crazy stuff going on now. I guess it's Yeah. Hasn't for a while. Absolutely.
• 1:13:16
  As we're as we're running out, I wanna make sure I pull up your blog. Gold Goats and Guns. The, tomluongo.me, is that the main URL that we should be using? It's tomluongo.me?
• 1:13:27
  Tom Luongo: Yeah. That's I I don't I don't write very much. Actually, I haven't written a public article in odd months now. I mostly just publish the, I just kinda cross post the podcasts and and the monthly newsletter announcements over there. But, yeah.
• 1:13:41
  And, but really, you can follow me on, you know, on Patreon slash gold goods and guns. You can sign up and you can, you know, you can sign up for the forward $12 a month service, but as well, you can just sign up for free and just follow me over there because I post a lot of my media appearances there as well, free to the you know, as a way to make sure that there's a one stop shop for all of those things. I don't put them on the blog. And, you know, I don't I don't have a sub stack. I refuse.
• 1:14:06
  So, but anybody who thinks that we have a sub stack, we do not. But, yeah, we we handle everything mostly through Patreon and through Twitter at t f l seventeen twenty eight.
• 1:14:16
  Seth Holehouse: Well, you'll be happy that I've got gold. I've got guns, and we're getting goats in, like, two days. So I'll I'll be officially in the Really? What kind of ship? Some Nigerian dwarfs.
• 1:14:28
  Tom Luongo: Okay. Okay. So are you you're not planning on milking them, are you?
• 1:14:32
  Seth Holehouse: Not really. No. They're more for
• 1:14:33
  Tom Luongo: Okay. Chris, Nigerian dwarfs. Yeah. Yeah. No.
• 1:14:37
  They they are Nigerian dwarfs aren't dairy goats, by way. I don't if you know that. I I know way too much about goats. So it's like we can have another forty five minute conversation about goats. But Nigerian dwarves are are really personable, and they're really and they're adorable little things.
• 1:14:51
  They're not as personable as pygmies. There is a breed called pygmy goat, which are slightly smaller and fatter than even Nigerian dwarfs, but they're very gregarious. They make, like, the they really do make the big the best pets. They're like little dogs with horns.
• 1:15:07
  Seth Holehouse: The pygmy ones.
• 1:15:08
  Tom Luongo: And, they're very gregarious and there ain't nothing cuter than either Nigerian dwarf or pygmy babies. They're like those kids are just the cutest things in the world. And, but I mean, goats in general, you, you know, if you if you work with them, they're just they're they have all the personnel they have, you know, just tremendous personality. But the dreary dwarfs are nice nice goats. They really are.
• 1:15:28
  So good luck with that. Thank you. Yeah. It'll be fun.
• 1:15:31
  Seth Holehouse: It'll be good for a lot of it is just for the kids. So because our neighbor, he he raised How many are
• 1:15:37
  Tom Luongo: how many are you going
• 1:15:37
  Seth Holehouse: to get? We're getting a mother and
• 1:15:39
  Tom Luongo: two Okay. That's that's good. You, that's good. You need to have at least three, three or four. I mean, they are herd animals, so you're not gonna if you're not planning on, like, having them in your know, with diapers on it in in the house Yeah.
• 1:15:54
  Because they're they they have no they have no, they have no aversion to their own poop and pee. There ain't no there ain't no connection between the brain and the other end of a goat. Yeah. Just so you know. They can be chewing and talking to you and pooping at the other end.
• 1:16:10
  It's like there's there's no vagus nerve. You know what I mean? Or or not much of a vagus nerve system in in in the butt. You do need to have they need to have a group to be with, because they get really lonely very, very quickly. They are herd animals.
• 1:16:25
  So, and I heartily recommend getting a guardian dog to go with them so that you don't have any you don't have any predation problems. That'd be a Great Pyrenees or Maremma or something along those lines. I my personal choice here in Florida is Maremmas are a little smaller, they handle the heat better, and, they're slightly more aggressive than Great Pyrenees, but they're all really great family dogs, and, and they'll take care of the goats. You won't have any raccoon problems, Like, you won't have any problems whatsoever with anything because the guardian dogs will keep everything clean and everything safe because that's what they do. Not they're not herd dogs, so they're the exact opposite.
• 1:17:04
  They bond with their goats. They bond with their humans, and then they go out and they work, and they keep everything out of your life. And I having lived a role now for over twenty years and, you know, even when we plan to move to Tennessee, we will bring our guardian dogs with us. I don't plan on having other freaking dogs for the rest of my life because I don't I don't need a high prey drive dog. I don't need terriers.
• 1:17:24
  I don't need shepherds. I'd you know, I need a guardian dog. I'm gonna be old, and I'm gonna be fat, and I'm gonna wanna I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna want somebody to stand out there and be ninety pounds and go, you're not coming in the yard. I don't care if you're the neighbor's cat. I don't care if you're antifa.
• 1:17:40
  You're not coming to my yard. And those dogs those dogs won't lay down their life for you.
• 1:17:48
  Seth Holehouse: No. They're great dogs. And that's what do. We've got, two labs, which they're eight
• 1:17:52
  Tom Luongo: months old. Labs are labs are fine, but the thing is labs are great family dogs.
• 1:17:57
  Seth Holehouse: Which and that's what it goats and the chickens are Yeah. They're fenced off because I know that, you know, labs are Yeah. Yeah. More prey driven. But Right.
• 1:18:05
  Yeah. So the the labs are there
• 1:18:06
  Tom Luongo: for Absolutely. So you have so the labs are great yard dogs.
• 1:18:09
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly.
• 1:18:09
  Tom Luongo: Just keep them out of out you know, keep them away from the goats. But if the goats are in their own pasture and there are and there's no dog to help them, to protect them, you're gonna have I don't know I don't know where you are, but I know where I am. Like, the coyotes are everywhere. The
• 1:18:23
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, we've got we've got six foot fence around all the goat enclosure. So hope
• 1:18:28
  Tom Luongo: That might be good enough. Yeah. That might be That'll be good enough to keep the the goats in. It'll also be enough to keep the marimas in if you decide you want to keep but, yeah, six foot fencing is good. Just I'm just in general, if you have any if you start to hear coyotes howling in the distance, get yourself guardian dog.
• 1:18:43
  Seth Holehouse: Good point.
• 1:18:44
  Tom Luongo: Best money you ever spend. Just put them out there with the just put them out there. You don't have to train them. All you have to do is, like, put them out there with the goats, let them like, chain them you know, tie them up for a couple of weeks until they fall in love with their goats, and then they'll take and then that'll be that. And they'll just like I I watch my goats run their the dogs off of their food.
• 1:19:03
  That's how submissive the dogs are to the goats. So the the yeah. So I mean, I I ran goats for twelve years and always had guardian dogs. And I can tell you that I never lost a chicken to predation. Hell, I didn't lose any garbage to predation because I leave my garbage on the other side of the fence, and even the raccoons won't even come within ten ten yards of the fence.
• 1:19:23
  And in the last two in the last eighteen months or so, my my my older male guardian dog, Goober, has gotten himself four raccoons that made the mistake of thinking they were gonna expand their territory across my property. And they got halfway across the property, and then they were held, and then they were turned to the flat raccoon, and literally Goober wore him. Wore them like as like know, as like on his head for, like, three days. It was disgusting. I'm like, no, buddy.
• 1:19:49
  You're not getting petted. Good dog. Not getting petted. Yeah. So the I think yeah.
• 1:19:55
  And his name's Goober. And don't talk with Goober. Goober's ninety pounds worth of worth of worth of kill everything that moves. Now the funny part is I got rid of my goats, right, and my pasture is open. Like, the deer hang out they're local in the area.
• 1:20:10
  The deer hang out in the field, and the goat the dogs are like, yeah, whatever. They're just deer. Like, they used to run the deer off when there were goats there. Now they don't even run them off. They're like, oh, look.
• 1:20:18
  They're a deer. Cool. I I I have something else to guard too. Like, they just don't care. Like, everything's part of their their neighborhood.
• 1:20:24
  And, and, you know, and they respect boundaries. So they'll stay in their they'll you know, they will stay in the yard if you tell them to and teach them to, but they have their own mind, and they're just they're just tremendous dogs. I I gave two of them to my my nephew up in, South Carolina. He's got a big he's got a big blueberry farm out there. And, and those guys, he's like, Tom, they they know exactly what's going on everywhere on the property.
• 1:20:48
  Like, they had the whole 80 acres, like, freaking mapped. I'm like they were, like, eight months old. I mean, now they're neither you're gonna now they're only they're gonna be two years old. I think this yeah. This week, they'll be two years old.
• 1:20:59
  I'm sure that they're just there's nothing that they don't know about what's going on on the entire property, And they can hear everything, and they work all day long. They work all night, and they sleep during the day, and then they work all night long. And they're just great dogs. I I can't say enough about them. Now which one is who's thinking about anybody who's really thinking about doing any kind of homesteading, you really have to, like, budget for the dog.
• 1:21:22
  Seth Holehouse: Which which which
• 1:21:22
  Tom Luongo: At least one.
• 1:21:23
  Seth Holehouse: Know Great Pyrenees, but what
• 1:21:24
  Tom Luongo: Either Great Pyrenees or Maremmas. Maremmas are the Italian breed. They look like white golden retrievers. You've seen Great Pyrenees. They're the much bigger ones.
• 1:21:31
  Huge. Maremmas run between 75 and a hundred pounds. Great Pyrenees run between a buck and a quarter and a buck and half or, you know, buck 10, buck 25. And then our other breeds, Kuvasz. Everybody has a guardian dog.
• 1:21:41
  Right? Every major cult they have a guardian dog. Anatolian shepherds are guardian dogs. There's there's four or five of them out there. But, you know?
• 1:21:50
  And they all vary in in personality or in terms of breeding of what their aggression level relative to threats. The Great Pyrenees are the least aggressive to to threats. They're the biggest, and they're not particularly aggressive. Meaning but two of them can drive off a grizzly bear. So, you know, but they're but they're gonna give you plenty of warning before they come.
• 1:22:14
  So the generally, the rule is like Great Pyrenees will bark a lot. Like, bark bark bark bark bark, and then they'll run. Then they'll come after you. The Maremmas are usually bark bark bark, and then they'll come after you. The Anatolian shepherds are barking to let you know that they're on their way.
• 1:22:29
  It's kind of the right, it's kind of the hierarchy on that. So just to give you an idea. And then there are other I don't know if Kubaz's very well, and I don't know the other ones very well, but those are the the ones that I know. I've had Maremmas for fifteen years now. I won't I won't have anything else.
• 1:22:42
  I will. I and they don't have to be papered. They don't have to be there are no papers. So they're border collies. Do they herd?
• 1:22:48
  They're a border collie. That's the Scotsman. Does it herd? It's a border collie. Does it guard?
• 1:22:53
  It's a moremma. You know what I mean? It's a guardian dog. And, you know, and you can get great dogs for, you know, a few hundred bucks, and they'll they'll give you ten years worth of great service. And, and they're also good therapy dogs because they'll just stand there and let you love on them until they hear something off in the woods and then they're then they're gone.
• 1:23:12
  And they do their thing. And you don't have to train them. You don't they're not needy. You don't have to, like, exercise them. You don't it's like they're they're perfect.
• 1:23:18
  For people who are busy, like, they're the perfect rural dog. But you can't have them in in this in town because they bark all the time. You can't you know, they're they're big dogs. They so these are these are, like, the perfect rural family dog. Mhmm.
• 1:23:32
  You know? And that they'll guard, but they won't get themselves into trouble. And if you keep them behind the fence, then, you know, they'll make sure that you're safe from the UPS guy.
• 1:23:41
  Seth Holehouse: Important. Important. We'll talk.
• 1:23:44
  Tom Luongo: It's very important. At least to them it is.
• 1:23:46
  Seth Holehouse: It's been great talking to you. Great to finish off on a lighter note.
• 1:23:48
  Tom Luongo: Take care.
• 1:23:49
  Seth Holehouse: So we'll be in touch.
• 1:23:50
  Tom Luongo: Yeah. I mean, I I you know, again, I like you know, I'm glad I'm I'm glad I'm glad to hear that people are gonna try. I I wish you well with goats. It's very, very difficult. It's a very difficult thing.
• 1:24:00
  Keep it just keep it simple. Like, just keep it simple. And if you need to if you need to add to your herd, I would not add a buck because now you're a rancher. And soon you'll go from three or four goats to 30. And then you better have the property for it, and you better have the time, and you better have the and the inclination and energy.
• 1:24:18
  If that's what you want, well, that's great. If that's not not what you want, then, you know, mother, two babies, you know, make sure that the boy gets neutered and, you know, so that no accidents happen, that we don't go I wind up with anyone a little one eyed or one horned goats and then and if you need and and if they and if that doesn't feel like enough, get yourself, like, a weather and you get yourself an older weather to go along with them. You gotta have enough land for four, and that would be that's generally good. But, you know, they they and they they family they they they form very strong family units, unbelievably strong family units. So you'll be interested to it's interesting to watch it happen.
• 1:24:54
  So k.
• 1:24:55
  Seth Holehouse: Well, I'll I'll keep you updated on the goats.
• 1:24:57
  Tom Luongo: Absolutely. Thank you. That'd be great.
• 1:25:00
  Seth Holehouse: Alright. Well, thank you so much, Tom. It's always fun, speaking with you.
• 1:25:04
  Tom Luongo: Absolutely. Take care now.
• 1:25:06
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