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Is Evil Dead Rise REALLY an Evil Dead Movie? - Xenomania 82 · Xenomania

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  Jon: This week on Xenomania, when an earthquake opens a path into
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  a bank vault, a teen discovers a creepy book and a series of records.
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  Of course, he has to play them, even in a blackout and against his sister's wishes.
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  With no Ash Williams to save them, what he unleashes will destroy his family and
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  neighbors before the night is through.
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  We certainly know not to read from an evil book, right, guys?
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  Right?
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  In addition, we play a round of Slash or Stash that has to be
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  completely safe for my co-hosts.
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  This is Evil Dead Rise.
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  This is Xenomania
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  Ryan: in the middle of the night, a nice boom stick
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  Kearns: I bet you do, buddy.
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  Do, do you just say, "Come get some?"
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  Ryan: Groovy, baby.
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  Kearns: Shop smart, shop S Mart.
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  Jon: Do you like, to wake up with a boom stick?
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  A boom stick nestled between, your, pillows
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  Kearns: Your Necronomicons?
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  Ryan: The Neca Comic Cons?
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  Yeah.
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  Ah.
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  Kearns: There you
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  Jon: Oh God, we're gonna hear that so many times tonight.
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  Ryan: Yes,
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  Jon: Necro
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  Kearns: we
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  Ryan: Yes, you
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  Jon: Comic-Con
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  Ryan: talking about The Evil Dead, but we're talking about The Evil
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  Dead Rise, the recent sequel in The Evil Dead franchise as we're
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  talking about it today, July 10th.
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  Evil Dead burn was released, and from my understanding, to mixed reviews.
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  Mixed to positive reviews, I should say
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  Jon: That's what I've seen.
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  I'm not… Like, it seems like this is… I don't know a lot about the director.
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  I did watch his previous movie this afternoon, Infested, which is a
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  French spider takeover kind of movie.
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  it's all right.
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  It seems like it's a big step to hand The Evil Dead to him, but, you know, maybe
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  Jon: Maybe
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  Kearns: Rotten Tomatoes right now, 72%.
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  IMDb 6.9 out of 10, Metacritic 58%.
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  So it's,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: not struggling, but it's definitely getting its, it's
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  definitely getting criticized
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: taken with a new director, right?
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  still on the same story focus.
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  I feel like as we'll get into it with Rise, it's like a requel.
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  Like, it's remembering the past films.
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  There's, homages to it.
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  But, also in this film, it kinda takes its own creative, direction.
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  And I know I messed up on homage.
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  There we go,
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  Jon: No, you got it.
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  You got it.
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  I w- I was… That, that, that was a prideful smile.
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  Ryan: Oh, okay.
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  I was worried.
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  Um, but
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  Kearns: didn't see us not in approval?
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  Ryan: no, I, I, I looked away 'cause I was like, "Oh man, did I mess up?"
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  And I just kept going with it, just like John Belushi in Animal House.
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  But, you know, it's like taking that chance and as, um, again, we're gonna
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  discuss, like, w- the question is to kinda give a theme is, is this
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  even an Evil Dead movie, right?
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  And that's something to ponder while… We'll answer our version
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  of it later, but that's something to ponder for the whole podcast
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  Kearns: criticize something real quick.
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  Jon: Okay, let's get d-
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  Kearns: quick.
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  In every
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  Jon: well
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  Kearns: Dead movie, there's the inciting event, right?
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  Ryan: Yes.
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  Kearns: The inciting event is the finding of the damn book.
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  What's the book called again, Ryan?
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  Ryan: The Necrokamika
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  Kearns: The Necronomicon.
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  So in this movie, was the finding of the Necronomicon up to par?
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  Ryan: Yes, 50/50.
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  I feel like you're first introduced to it in The Evil Dead, uh, the
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  original one, you got the atmosphere, the creepiness, the lone cabin.
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  no lights, no electricity.
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  You feel the airiness.
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  You know,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: something bad in the cellar.
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  this one, you go into this vault, like bank 'cause the
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  building's built on top of a bank.
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  Uh, Danny… Is it Danny?
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  Jon: Danny, yeah.
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  Kearns: who finds it, yeah
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  Ryan: Danny?
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  Jon: The, the sort of non-age specific male character who looks
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  like he's 12 but he can drive.
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  He looks 12, but he drives.
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  he's sort of like 18 to 20 in a Justin Bieber 18 to 20 kind of way,
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  where he could be a lot younger
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  Ryan: I was, I kept thinking of
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  Kearns: tell the difference between him and Miley Cyrus at that point.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: That kind of Bieber?
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  Yeah Makes sense.
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  So they find it in the bank vault after an earthquake in this
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And Danny
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  Ryan: like it, it,
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  Jon: It works.
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  I mean,
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  Ryan: vibes
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  Jon: it does, and it gives you, like, sort of a sense that this was, isn't, uh,
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  something you should mess around with.
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  That it's, you know, locked in a vault in a bank that was obviously
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  abandoned and then built on top of.
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  You know, whoever put it in that vault didn't want it to come out
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  Ryan: Is that based on all the hanging crosses and the big crucifix on
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  Jon: Yeah, I mean, I mean, yeah, they, there's a lot of hints in there that
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  you probably shouldn't take these things
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  Kearns: Yeah, I
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  Jon: definitely… No.
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  Kearns: throw that out there.
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  Jon: Yes, we would've.
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  Kearns: No shot.
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  Jon: At, at, at whatever random, whatever random, whatever random
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  pre-teen to teen age that Danny is, you 100% would've taken that stuff too.
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  You would've been like, "This is, this stuff is cool. I'm taking it."
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  Kearns: I
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  was thinking
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  Jon: We,
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  Kearns: me, not then me.
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  Yeah
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  Jon: no, because current you, current you, current me, we understand
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  the danger in taking that book
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  Ryan: I'd still take it
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  Kearns: Right.
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  Ryan: Why not?
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  What's the worst that's gonna ha- okay,
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  Kearns: Did you not watch
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  Jon: what d- yeah, what's the worst that's gonna happen?
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  Ryan: savvy
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  Jon: I don't know.
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  Your body's gonna contort in weird ways.
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  You're gonna vomit a lot.
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  You're gonna try to off your family.
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  You're gonna… Yeah, yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna change a bit
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  Ryan: just the de- that's the demons.
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  That's the demons talking
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  Kearns: gonna be possessed and a passenger while all that's occurring your body.
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  Ryan: know,
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  Kearns: worse.
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  Ryan: I'd be fine with, I'd be fine with that because you know what?
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  I'll be… You know what bothered me a little bit is I like the new design
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  of the book with the teeth, I miss the old design with the face on it.
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  It kinda threw me off,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: covers.
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  Ryan: but
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  Kearns: Well, there
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: different… Uh, didn't, in Ash Vs Evil Dead, didn't they distinguish
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  that there are different Necronomicons?
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  Ryan: I've only made it up to season two
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  Kearns: Maybe.
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  Ryan: That's, that's why…
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  Kearns: so,
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  Jon: I've seen the whole near
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  Ryan: maybe they mentioned-- It was so long ago.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: that?
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  Jon: I don't, I, I don't remember for sure.
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  I wa- I watched Ash vs Evil Dead was probably the last show I
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  watched, like, live as it aired
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  Ryan: Rightfully so.
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  Jon: And not streaming, I would just, yeah.
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  But I don't, I mean, it was long enough ago that I would have to… That would
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  really be making it up if I guessed
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  It might
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  Kearns: are.
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  There are three distinct volumes.
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  It's canonically established that there are three distinct volumes.
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  Ryan: Hmm.
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  So
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  Kearns: was the one in the Evil Dead trilogy, the original.
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  Volume two is in the 2013 one, and volume three is in Evil Dead Rise
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  Ryan: I wonder if they're gonna show each book in, in the upcoming sequels.
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  Like Byrne will have a different book, and then Wrath will have a different book
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  Kearns: pull
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  Jon: Maybe.
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  Kearns: for the, for the pod.
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  Ryan: Just thinking
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  Kearns: That'd be
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  Jon: Maybe that,
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  Kearns: Um,
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  Jon: that'd be a good idea.
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  Kearns: Let's see if they run with it.
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  Jon: Mm-hmm
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  Kearns: they run with it.
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  I know that this movie is filled with Easter eggs.
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  Before we start touching on those, uh, or the ones at least that
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  I noticed, how about the cast?
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  Did you guys…
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  Like, we talked about Danny already, the ambiguously aged
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  child, man child, boy, teenager.
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  Um, how about the rest?
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  An Evil Dead movie with kids has a different vibe to it
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  Jon: It does.
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  It does, it very much does.
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  I liked the kids though.
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  Like, I liked, you know, they didn't just cookie cut some personalities.
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  You know, they gave whatever age Danny is sort of his own personality
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  with a, you know, his DJ kinda thing.
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  And you know, and Bridget is the eco-sensitive middle child, you know.
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  But Cassie to me is the best of the three
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  Kearns: I see the little one.
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  Jon: Yeah, the little one is awesome, walking around with Staffanie.
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  I mean, Staffanie's the funniest part of this whole thing.
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  She, you know, like, if you haven't seen it, Staffanie is a wooden staff with a
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  doll's head on top, and it's designed to ward away evil in Cassie's world
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  Kearns: In Cassie's little hopeful world
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  Ryan: And
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  Jon: works at one point
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  Ryan: yeah, it does
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  Kearns: does.
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  Kinda does.
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  Well, see, the thing about this movie is what cuts right through it is that
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  the person possessed at the apartment portion of it is their mother,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: and
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  Jon: Yeah, she's
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  Ryan: Alyssa Sutherland
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  Jon: Yeah, she's really, really good in that.
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  Kearns: Hmm.
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  Jon: menacing and, you know, like just, but also, you know, the
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  way they used her ability to just sort of float back into being mom
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  Kearns: Yeah
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  Jon: and…
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  Ryan: It's
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  Jon: It's very, very, yeah, unnerving's a very good word for it
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  Ryan: It's just like 'cause
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  Kearns: the first movie I'd seen in a long time that I found actually, like,
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Like bring her back
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  Kearns: watching this.
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  Now, Bring It Back was a bad movie
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  Ryan: So did you feel the glass scene in s- in this was on
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  the level of Bring Her Back?
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  Kearns: No.
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  Bring
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  Ryan: I thought,
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  Kearns: different
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  Ryan: thought, I thought that gla-
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  Kearns: was hard though
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  Ryan: that glass scene was rough.
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  Jon: Yeah.
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  Kearns: But it
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  Jon: Yeah
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  Kearns: chewing on a butcher knife.
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  Jon: I mean, it's not far off.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  I mean,
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  Ryan: the glass
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  Jon: for, if, again, if you, if,
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  Kearns: ante in this
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  Jon: if you haven't watched it, you should probably pause now and watch it.
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  But, um, after Bridget gets possessed, she eats a glass
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  Kearns: Yeah, it's tough
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  Ryan: But it's all based on the demons that are in the book, which I like.
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  Like Ellie is based on what I'm just gonna call the Red Queen demon
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  'cause of her red hair and all that.
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  She looks like an ambiguous, like the leader of the whole group, while Bridget
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  becomes, uh, I don't know how to put it.
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  Like she's got… It's on the tip of my tongue.
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  Like it's the demon with the maggots inside, and it's like eating, it's eating
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  her from inside, so she, that's why she eats the glass to kill what's inside her.
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  I for- There's a term for that.
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  It's from an X-Files episode too, so that's why I'm like
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  Jon: And, eh, we'll, we'll call her Maga Tina
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  Kearns: I, I
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  Ryan: That's what I'm saying.
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  Kearns: I do enjoy
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  Ryan: and cheese
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  Kearns: Yeah, that works.
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  I do enjoy demonology and stuff, but they s- the specifics you're getting to
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  Ryan: It's in,
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  Kearns: a
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  Ryan: Constantine too.
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  It's
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: issue of Hellblazer.
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  It's like the bugs eat you within and kinda like your soul.
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  But when the, the demon terms, it's an ongoing thing, so that's why
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  it keeps eating people, and glass, and anything to what's inside it
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  Kearns: The what's inside of it is what's getting me, 'cause the gluttony
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  Ryan: Oh, on a-unalive.
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  I'm sorry.
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  Unalive
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  Kearns: No,
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  Ryan: instead.
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  Kearns: k- the unalive and what's inside thing is what's throwing me off, 'cause
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  the gluttony thing is a big… Like, you can find a few of them that are like that,
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  Ryan: Yes
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  Kearns: but,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: Belphegor-esque and stuff.
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  But you can't-- I can't think of anything but like when you're
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  consciously trying to off it from within, that's why you're eating things.
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  don't know
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  Ryan: I feel like it's a lower, a lower term demon, if that makes sense.
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  But
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  Kearns: bem.
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  É que, né
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  Ryan: by the time we get to the third act and we get to the, the
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  big mama jamba, that's pretty cool.
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  I don't
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: Yeah, the big mama jamba
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  Jon: Yeah, I… The, the full, the full on body horror one
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  Kearns: Yeah.
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  The, what do we call it?
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  The amalgamation of all the bodies
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: There we go.
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  Jon: The what?
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  Kearns: What was that?
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  Ryan: The amygdala
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  Kearns: Uh, yeah, the, uh, the Amygdala?
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  Ryan: I went with a
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  Jon: Amydala?
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  Ryan: Yes, the Batman villain, yes.
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  that direction.
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  Kearns: part of
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  Jon: No
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  Ryan: The Abadullah, the what… I'm trying to remember the, the
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  Kearns: the Amygdalas
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  Ryan: Amagdala, but yeah
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  Kearns: Th- that's a cool little lore, too.
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  In Bloodborne, you had to s- get a certain amount of insight before you
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  could see the Amygdalas that were
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  Ryan: Yes
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  Kearns: you throughout the whole game.
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  Awesome.
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  Awesome job.
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  Back to Evil Dead.
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  Jon: Yes
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  Kearns: we're getting through this movie, and we're watching it, and
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  we're constantly judging it because it's got Evil Dead in its name, right?
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  Does it stack up at all with the first three?
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  We're not even gonna talk about 2013 right now
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  Jon: No, we're gonna, we're gonna skip that.
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  I think my, I think I put my opinions on 2013 out there pretty strongly
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  Ryan: You know, seeing it in theaters with the high hopes, it'd be great.
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  And then, yeah.
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  Kearns: in theaters?
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  Ryan: Oh, no, not Rise, 2013
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  Jon: Rise in theaters.
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  Ryan: wish I did.
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  Kearns: were not going to talk about
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  Ryan: Well, that's when he, he… I
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  Kearns: continue
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  Ryan: th- it was,
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  Kearns: of
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  Ryan: I thought he was talking about 2013 real quick.
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  That's why I was like, "I
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  Jon: No, no
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  Ryan: You didn't like it?
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  I,
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  Kearns: he,
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  Ryan: I,
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  Kearns: just letting us know that he didn't like it
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  Ryan: I
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  Jon: Not even a little.
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  Kearns: how does it
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  Jon: Not even a little
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  Kearns: trilogy, Ryan?
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  For
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  Ryan: In my opinion, I think it
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  Kearns: droning on about the bad
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  Ryan: It does, it does a good job, I feel.
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  It, it's going more to the first one, where the first one's really direct
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  horror, but it has little instances of the second and third one with
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  the Deadites' face and how they act.
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  But it goes more horror aspect.
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  While with, like, Two and Army of Darkness, even with Ash versus
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  Evil Dead, if we're gonna talk about that 'cause that is canon,
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  it is horror, a little more comedy.
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  It has a little more of a comedy edge.
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  While Evil Dead Rise it- this is, like… No, like, I had to
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  watch Spinal Tap after this film.
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  Like,
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  Kearns: Wow
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  Ryan: was like, "This is the second time I've watched this film, and
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  I still get unnerved." And I knew certain things were coming, and I
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: like, "No, I gotta watch a comedy or something
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  Yeah
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  Kearns: a hard time gotten it through movies like this these days.
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  This kind of horror, and I appreciate it too.
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  It's not like I don't like it.
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  I do like it.
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  It's just harder for me to watch Isn't that weird?
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  Ryan: The gore?
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  Kearns: a giant wuss.
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  It's, maybe it's the gor- but the body horror definitely adds a lot to it.
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  Ryan: Are you
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Ryan: about
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  Kearns: movie that makes it so, like, you wanna turn on the hall
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  light before heading to the bathroom
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  Ryan: Yeah.
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  Kearns: that.
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  Yeah.
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  Ryan: don't
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  Kearns: why we do this, you know?
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  We like scary movies, but this one, this
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  Kearns: type of, this style, I should say, has been getting tricky for me
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  Ryan: You don't know she's at the end of the hall.
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  Like, it, it
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  Kearns: You hear her skittering around on the ceiling.
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  Ryan: Mother,
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  Jon: Mm-hmm.
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  In the air ducts.
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  I bet
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  Kearns: my mom down the stairs
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  Ma, you're, Ma, are you watching?
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  You're getting it bad.
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  If you get possessed and come after me, you're gonna fly
• 16:52
  Jon: I mean, that's fair.
• 16:53
  That's
• 16:54
  Kearns: out there
• 16:54
  Jon: reas- that's reasonable
• 16:57
  Ryan: That's fair.
• 16:59
  Jon: I mean, it's reasonable.
• 17:00
  She's possessed.
• 17:01
  Uh, yeah.
• 17:03
  She would want you, she would want you to do that.
• 17:06
  Kearns: is Sparta
• 17:07
  Jon: She would want you to do that
• 17:09
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Let's hope 'cause it, it's
• 17:12
  Ryan: Oh, yeah.
• 17:12
  'Cause like you can… And I like that is they continue that from at
• 17:16
  least, wanna say from the first one, but at least the second and third one
• 17:20
  where, and Ash vs Evil Dead, where when the person's possessed, you
• 17:24
  see a little bit of them come out.
• 17:27
  Again, it's really not seen in the first one.
• 17:28
  I feel like in the first one it's more of an illusion, where it's luring the
• 17:32
  characters down into the basement.
• 17:34
  But the second and third one in the series, you do see those characters
• 17:38
  come out from the possession showing the pain and what they're going through.
• 17:42
  And it, I feel, shows in Evil Dead Rise through little hints.
• 17:46
  that demon does have a big hold on her
• 17:50
  Kearns: Yeah,
• 17:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 17:55
  Ryan: scene, I thought, like, remembering when I first saw it, I thought we were
• 17:59
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 18:00
  Ryan: tree scene.
• 18:00
  I'm like, "Thank God."
• 18:02
  Kearns: The Gables?
• 18:03
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 18:04
  Kearns: Oh, that was definitely an Easter egg as well, though.
• 18:08
  firmly
• 18:08
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 18:09
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:10
  Oh, absolutely.
• 18:11
  There, there are a bunch of them, yeah
• 18:13
  Kearns: the Bridget Fonda
• 18:16
  There's a Bridget Fonda allusion with the billboard
• 18:19
  Ryan: Yep.
• 18:19
  Kearns: where it says Fonda on the billboard, and for some reason it
• 18:23
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 18:25
  Mm-hmm.
• 18:26
  Kearns: going on there?" And it's because Bridget Fonda was in the, in the Army
• 18:30
  of Darkness or is she in the second one?
• 18:33
  She's in the S- she's an S-Mart clerk
• 18:35
  Jon: Oh, so yeah, probably Aria of Darkness, yeah
• 18:39
  Ryan: of Darkness.
• 18:39
  Kearns: She
• 18:40
  Ryan: Yeah
• 18:40
  Kearns: be in the franchise, but she couldn't 'cause she was in another movie.
• 18:43
  That's what I dug up on it.
• 18:45
  Jon: If it was Army of Darkness, it might have,
• 18:47
  Kearns: in this."
• 18:47
  Jon: she might have been in Single White Female at the time
• 18:51
  Kearns: It could have been.
• 18:52
  That, I
• 18:52
  Ryan: Oh, okay
• 18:53
  Kearns: breakout movie for her.
• 18:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 18:55
  Kearns: and the one where she's a hit woman.
• 18:57
  Jon: Yeah
• 18:58
  Kearns: I forgot the name of it.
• 18:59
  That's another
• 19:00
  Ryan: Imag- imagine if she was the lead actress in Army of Darkness.
• 19:03
  That would've
• 19:04
  Jon: Was that, was that Le, was that La Femme Nikita?
• 19:08
  Kearns: No, La Femme
• 19:09
  Ryan: No.
• 19:09
  Kearns: was a different one.
• 19:11
  Ryan: Besson.
• 19:11
  Kearns: a
• 19:11
  Jon: I, yeah, I can see the cover.
• 19:15
  Kearns: Nikita is basically the same
• 19:17
  Jon: Yeah.
• 19:18
  I can see the cover.
• 19:19
  I can't pull the movie out
• 19:22
  Ryan: See, my problem is I'm just thinking of Pam Anderson in her
• 19:24
  film at that time, where she plays,
• 19:28
  Jon: Oh yeah, the, the action one?
• 19:31
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 19:31
  Is
• 19:31
  Jon: Barb Wire, yeah, yeah
• 19:35
  Kearns: Womp, womp,
• 19:35
  Jon: Yeah.
• 19:36
  Kearns: Uh,
• 19:37
  Jon: was a little later though.
• 19:39
  Ryan: 97?
• 19:40
  Jon: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Kearns: rental.
• 19:42
  That
• 19:42
  Jon: she wa-
• 19:42
  Kearns: the boys
• 19:44
  Jon: it- th- this was more about the, Snapdragon time
• 19:49
  Kearns: Exactly.
• 19:49
  the last Easter egg I noticed because I noticed this one in the wild.
• 19:52
  I was so proud of myself.
• 19:53
  Did you guys see the one in the pizza box?
• 19:57
  Ryan: Pineapple?
• 19:57
  Jon: No.
• 19:58
  No
• 19:59
  Kearns: the catchphrase on the pizza box says, "Come get some."
• 20:02
  Ryan: Oh,
• 20:02
  Jon: Oh, nice.
• 20:03
  I didn't see that.
• 20:04
  I did see it, but like,
• 20:06
  Kearns: Yeah, you didn't
• 20:06
  Jon: yeah, yeah.
• 20:07
  Kearns: was like, "Oh my God. Oh my God."
• 20:10
  Jon: yeah, I mean, you get the, landscaping truck, so you, know that
• 20:13
  there's gonna be a chainsaw around.
• 20:15
  Ryan: Yeah
• 20:16
  Jon: you get the continuation of w- probably one of my favorite series
• 20:20
  of Easter eggs is the continuation of the love for between, Nightmare on Elm
• 20:25
  Street and The Evil Dead series with the neighbor kids coming to invite
• 20:29
  Bridget to watch all the Nightmare on Elm Streets with them, even the bad ones.
• 20:34
  And then the, the other kid, "Yeah, there's no bad ones." I
• 20:37
  mean, there are, but we won't
• 20:39
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 20:41
  Ryan: That's for another day
• 20:42
  Kearns: of when that scene hits?
• 20:47
  Jon: Hmm.
• 20:48
  Yeah, yeah.
• 20:49
  Kearns: would be the guy to
• 20:49
  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:51
  Kearns: of them back to
• 20:51
  Jon: Yeah, yeah
• 20:53
  Kearns: Be
• 20:53
  Ryan: Oh, hell yeah.
• 20:54
  Kearns: That's it."
• 20:55
  Ryan: Uh, we, uh, once you get into it though, I won't even show the remake.
• 20:59
  won't go that far, and I own it
• 21:01
  Kearns: my
• 21:02
  Jon: No, you can't go th- that far.
• 21:04
  Ryan: I,
• 21:04
  Jon: That's too far
• 21:05
  Ryan: I'll just say Jackie Earl Haley's.
• 21:07
  Kearns: in a row
• 21:08
  Ryan: There's eight, eight in a row.
• 21:10
  Kearns: Plus the remake?
• 21:11
  Ryan: Eight and nine with the rem- I wouldn't even show the
• 21:13
  re- the remake is like if…
• 21:15
  Kearns: 24 hours.
• 21:16
  Ryan: Oh, it's… No, they're only like 80 minutes a pop.
• 21:19
  They're not that long.
• 21:21
  85 minutes
• 21:22
  Kearns: Oh, sorry.
• 21:22
  So we'll just be sitting in the same room for 14 watching Nightmare on
• 21:26
  Ryan: you might
• 21:27
  Jon: It's fine
• 21:28
  Ryan: the second one.
• 21:28
  That's about it.
• 21:30
  Jon: I don't know.
• 21:31
  I ge- generally, generally, unless I'm feeling very completist, one,
• 21:37
  three, and, uh, New Nightmare.
• 21:41
  Generally my rotation
• 21:43
  Kearns: New Nightmare was very good
• 21:46
  Ryan: New Night, yeah.
• 21:47
  I mean, though
• 21:48
  Kearns: was very good.
• 21:50
  Ryan: some,
• 21:50
  Kearns: that
• 21:50
  Ryan: yeah.
• 21:51
  94, God
• 21:53
  Kearns: in the theater as a kid.
• 21:53
  Remember the tongue that comes out of the phone?
• 21:56
  Ryan: Heather.
• 21:57
  Kearns: was pretty good.
• 21:58
  Ryan: I don't know
• 21:58
  Kearns: flip out on a bunch of kids too, 'cause they kept screaming stuff
• 22:01
  to scare people in the theater, and this giant guy stood up, turned around, and
• 22:05
  Jon: Nice.
• 22:09
  Kearns: he looked too, and he's just like, "Oh my God, they're gonna die.
• 22:13
  This is great."
• 22:14
  Ryan: I was,
• 22:14
  Jon: Nice.
• 22:15
  Kearns: It was a good experience.
• 22:16
  Ryan: I was gonna say I have to, I enjoy them all, um, one through,
• 22:20
  uh, one up to New Nightmare, and even with Freddy versus Jason.
• 22:24
  I feel like it's 'cause of my dad.
• 22:26
  My dad was a big Nightmare on
• 22:27
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:28
  Ryan: He, like Nightmare on Elm Street in his house was big.
• 22:32
  He had the cutout board.
• 22:34
  He had everything Nightmare.
• 22:36
  And then on the other side was Hellraiser, so that explains a lot
• 22:39
  of my love for those two franchises.
• 22:41
  But I
• 22:41
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:46
  Ryan: the Freddy Krueger character.
• 22:48
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 22:48
  Ryan: like yeah, you can see it as a repeat of like it's a nightmare,
• 22:52
  it's a dream, he keeps coming back.
• 22:54
  How does he come back?
• 22:55
  It's recycled.
• 22:56
  But you get more of the mentality of the character and the
• 23:00
  characters he's going after.
• 23:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 23:06
  Mm-hmm.
• 23:11
  So I, I wanna
• 23:14
  Kearns: everybody.
• 23:14
  If you have any questions, I'll give you his phone number.
• 23:17
  You can call him, ask him anything you want about it.
• 23:19
  Ryan: You ha- you have, you have to say the rhyme
• 23:22
  Jon: So, s- so, uh, like with this sort of longstanding Evil Dead/Nightmare on
• 23:26
  Elm Street mutual admiration situation, goes back to the first Evil Dead.
• 23:33
  Um, if, if you watch the first Evil Dead, there… And at one point
• 23:38
  there's a poster on the wall for The Hills Have Eyes, which is Wes Craven.
• 23:42
  Ryan: Yep.
• 23:43
  Jon: So Craven noticed that.
• 23:46
  In n- the first Nightmare on Elm Street, Nancy, when she's trying to stay awake,
• 23:51
  which mirrors something that Ash is gonna have to do a lot too, she's trying to
• 23:56
  stay awake by watching The Evil Dead.
• 24:00
  So then you jump to Evil Dead, and even in Ash vs.
• 24:05
  the Evil Dead, when Ash goes to the shed to, you know, weaponize
• 24:11
  himself with his chainsaw, hanging on the wall is Freddy's glove
• 24:17
  Kearns: Oh, I never noticed
• 24:18
  Ryan: In Evil Dead 2, right?
• 24:20
  Jon: Evil Dead 2 and in Ash vs Evil Dead
• 24:23
  Ryan: Okay.
• 24:24
  Necro Comicon also makes an
• 24:26
  Jon: mm-hmm.
• 24:27
  Ryan: Goes to Hell, by the way.
• 24:28
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 24:29
  We'll get to that.
• 24:29
  Um,
• 24:30
  Ryan: Word
• 24:31
  Jon: and then, then you have comic book crossovers that then,
• 24:34
  then sort of tie Jason into it.
• 24:39
  Ryan: Yep
• 24:39
  Jon: But so what I'm gonna ask you, and this sort of goes back to Evil Dead
• 24:43
  Rise and Lee Cronin's The Mummy, which Lee Cronin made after he made Evil Dead
• 24:49
  Rise, and he has insisted is within the same universe as The Evil Dead.
• 24:55
  Does that make a movie in the same universe?
• 24:59
  Or is this just an Easter egg?
• 25:01
  Kearns: I think that they're different things.
• 25:03
  Yeah, in this case, I can't say definitively either way, but I think
• 25:07
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 25:07
  Mm-hmm.
• 25:11
  Kearns: there are Easter eggs in films for things like appreciation of
• 25:14
  other films, and there is something about being in the same universe.
• 25:17
  I don't know if we could say that these are in the same universe as, as
• 25:20
  Nightmare on Elm Street, for example
• 25:22
  Jon: Yeah.
• 25:23
  I, I mean, I think what's established through this is that they, their
• 25:28
  universes each include those movies within them, but not necessarily
• 25:34
  that the events in Nightmare on Elm Street are happening in the same
• 25:40
  universe as the events in The Evil Dead
• 25:43
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Ryan: Here
• 25:45
  Kearns: I buy that more than… I nothing to say that they're not
• 25:48
  in the same universe really, but
• 25:51
  Jon: No.
• 25:51
  Kearns: nothing to say that Godzilla's not in their same universe either.
• 25:54
  Jon: Yeah
• 25:54
  Ryan: That's a, that's, that's a far limb, buddy.
• 25:57
  a-- There's no Godzilla.
• 25:58
  Jon: I mean, you,
• 25:59
  Kearns: around.
• 25:59
  He's
• 26:00
  Jon: but you can, you can make that case with a lot of things.
• 26:03
  Like, i- if the same actors are in mo- s- a whole bunch of movies,
• 26:06
  are they the same universe?
• 26:08
  Kearns: Right
• 26:09
  Jon: like we were saying before we started, is Footloose and the first
• 26:15
  Friday the 13th the same universe?
• 26:17
  Ryan: believe people think that, but kudos
• 26:19
  Jon: They don't.
• 26:20
  They, they don't think that.
• 26:21
  It, but it's just, it's just a, a, an over-the-top example of that concept.
• 26:28
  And for me,
• 26:29
  Kearns: What,
• 26:29
  Jon: I watched Lee Cronin's The Mummy.
• 26:32
  Kearns: are talking
• 26:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 26:33
  I watched Lee Cronin's The Mummy yesterday, and that, to me, that
• 26:38
  was the extent of the connection, is there's a voice in a recording that's
• 26:44
  the same as the voice in the recording on the records that Danny finds.
• 26:49
  And I don't know if you guys caught this, Bruce Campbell's appearance in
• 26:53
  The Evil Dead Rise is on those records
• 26:56
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 26:56
  Ryan: He's one of the priests,
• 26:57
  Kearns: catch that in the wild.
• 26:59
  I did catch
• 27:01
  Jon: He, mm-hmm
• 27:02
  Kearns: eggs were all squared away, and I f- I learned about that Easter egg.
• 27:07
  It's
• 27:07
  Jon: His, he,
• 27:07
  Kearns: in the record
• 27:08
  Jon: he, he's the, he's the voice saying, "Burn the book, it's
• 27:11
  evil," or wh- you know, yeah.
• 27:14
  That's Bruce
• 27:15
  Ryan: Oh.
• 27:16
  The, okay.
• 27:18
  it was one of the priests
• 27:20
  Kearns: Pretty cool, right?
• 27:21
  Ryan: Well, it would make sense with all the journey he's gone because, I mean, I
• 27:26
  mean, Evil… Not to bring up Evil Dead 2013, but the best part is his cameo,
• 27:31
  and like the idea is there's multiple universes, and that's what kinda like
• 27:35
  Sam Raimi established in interviews.
• 27:38
  like it could just be Ash traveling through universes or something
• 27:42
  and it got caught on the record.
• 27:45
  I
• 27:46
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 27:46
  Ryan: if we can step back real quick,
• 27:47
  Kearns: Well, can we clarify that real quick though?
• 27:49
  There's multiple universes within the Evil Dead franchise?
• 27:52
  Ryan: So evil dead, evil
• 27:54
  Kearns: about the three different Necronomicons within the
• 27:56
  Ryan: No.
• 27:56
  So Evil Dead, uh, Evil Dead 2, Evil Dead: Army of Darkness, and Ash vs.
• 28:02
  Evil Dead's one universe.
• 28:03
  The Evil Dead 2013's a separate universe, and I believe this new
• 28:08
  trilogy is a separate universe as well.
• 28:11
  However, the book connects them all.
• 28:14
  Originally, what they were supposed to do after the 2013 one was connect
• 28:18
  Ash to that, but because of the negative reviews, they never went
• 28:23
  forward, and that's why we have Rice
• 28:27
  Kearns: Got it.
• 28:27
  All right.
• 28:28
  That's
• 28:28
  Jon: what you're
• 28:28
  Kearns: Lore.
• 28:29
  Good to know
• 28:31
  Jon: What you're telling me ba- the way I'm interpreting this, the first two Evil
• 28:35
  Deads, Army of Darkness, Ash Versus the Evil Dead are like Halloween one and two.
• 28:41
  Evil Dead 2013 is Halloween III.
• 28:45
  Ryan: Yes.
• 28:46
  Yes
• 28:47
  Jon: this new trilogy is everything that comes after Halloween III
• 28:52
  Ryan: You nailed it right on the head,
• 28:54
  Jon: Okay.
• 28:54
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 28:55
  Jon: So it was, it was, so it me- it means we may be in for some tough
• 28:59
  times with the Evil Dead franchise
• 29:02
  Kearns: For real,
• 29:03
  Ryan: But,
• 29:04
  Kearns: For real
• 29:05
  Ryan: you guys, when we were talking about, um, interpretation, Tarantino
• 29:09
  said something perfect, and it was about his own films, of course.
• 29:12
  Like, whenever you watch Pulp Fiction and the briefcase is open, you see the gold.
• 29:18
  We all make the interpretation.
• 29:19
  Like, for me, I think it's Marsalis Wallace's soul.
• 29:23
  You know?
• 29:25
  That's what kinda like he's doing with The Mummy, and what a lot of people
• 29:29
  do is allows audiences to determine if something is connected or not,
• 29:34
  which I have a lot of respect, and it kinda gives the audience control.
• 29:37
  Now, I don't think The Mummy's connected to The Evil Dead at all, but some people
• 29:43
  might go, "It is because of the voice."
• 29:46
  And even with the Kevin Bacon thing with Footloose and Friday the 13th.
• 29:49
  I'm trying to make it a thing now.
• 29:51
  You
• 29:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 29:51
  Ryan: he, he left the town and he went to camping.
• 29:55
  But it's, it's just fun stuff for the audience to make that connection.
• 30:00
  But there are legitimate ones, like Michael Keaton's
• 30:03
  character in Jackie Brown.
• 30:05
  character, the same character appears in another movie I think two years
• 30:09
  later from a different director
• 30:10
  Kearns: that's interlocking the movies in the same universe when they do
• 30:13
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 30:14
  Yeah.
• 30:15
  Ryan: But
• 30:15
  Kearns: There's a
• 30:15
  Ryan: cool
• 30:16
  Kearns: that and the same actor playing a character of
• 30:18
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:19
  Kearns: in
• 30:19
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:20
  Kearns: That's what I'm trying to make sure we don't get
• 30:22
  caught in the soundbite of
• 30:24
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 30:25
  Kearns: like, "Every movie Kevin Bacon's in is in the same universe." No
• 30:30
  Jon: I, what do you mean no?
• 30:32
  Ryan: says this.
• 30:32
  It's a clone.
• 30:33
  Kearns: Mystic River is
• 30:34
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:35
  Kearns: universe
• 30:36
  Jon: he sur- he survived the arrow through the neck and that's where he went.
• 30:40
  Kearns: that's where he went.
• 30:41
  Jon: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Kearns: agent
• 30:43
  Ryan: Yeah, to
• 30:43
  Jon: Then, and that's why, that's why he can see ghosts in Stir of Echoes
• 30:49
  Kearns: Out of out stereo that goes Don't forget it becomes
• 30:52
  invisible at one point too.
• 30:53
  Jon: Uh-huh.
• 30:54
  Yeah.
• 30:55
  Yeah
• 30:56
  Kearns: All right.
• 30:56
  Don't we- do we have a game tonight?
• 30:57
  Let's
• 30:58
  Jon: Of cour- of course we have a game.
• 31:00
  It, it's a, we're back to our standard slasher stash.
• 31:03
  It's gonna be, um, five and five.
• 31:06
  Uh, three and five rather.
• 31:08
  Ryan: I was like, "Wait a minute, we're
• 31:10
  Jon: Three and five.
• 31:11
  Oh, I forgot to open them.
• 31:12
  Close your eyes, guys
• 31:14
  Kearns: Ha ha.
• 31:15
  I will not.
• 31:16
  Ryan: I'm not.
• 31:17
  Jon: Oh, well, well then fine.
• 31:19
  Kearns: Damn.
• 31:19
  I just saw some good stuff there.
• 31:22
  Jon: yeah, you saw, you saw a download screen my… Nothing actually.
• 31:29
  Uh, I don't need that
• 31:32
  All right, now we'll re-share for you.
• 31:36
  Kearns: Okay.
• 31:36
  You, I lost Ryan's feed too when you, when you did that, which makes it even funnier.
• 31:40
  So now I'm just alone
• 31:43
  Ryan: No,
• 31:43
  Jon: All right
• 31:45
  Kearns: No, but I couldn't see you until he
• 31:47
  Ryan: Oh.
• 31:47
  Kearns: Okay
• 31:48
  Jon: All right.
• 31:49
  Can you guys see my screen?
• 31:51
  Kearns: All right, are we doing,
• 31:53
  Jon: It is themed.
• 31:54
  You can guess
• 31:57
  It's, uh,
• 31:58
  Kearns: Crappy remakes.
• 32:00
  Jon: uh, it's, it's a nice, it's a nice, nice guess.
• 32:02
  It is not, however, correct.
• 32:04
  I'm not gonna punish you, but, 'cause this li- ke- stashing some of these movies
• 32:10
  might be punishment of its- in its- in itself, so… Anyway, The Crow , 2024.
• 32:17
  Are we slashing or stashing?
• 32:19
  Kearns: gonna slash this.
• 32:21
  Jon: Uh
• 32:21
  Kearns: he's holding a katana on the cover.
• 32:23
  I'm s- I wish I could slash everything about this movie
• 32:26
  Ryan: You know what makes me sad is the author, 'cause I got to meet him.
• 32:29
  Um, he was so hopeful for this remake, 'cause he was like, "They're
• 32:34
  gonna take my vision and make it what it is." And I'm like, "No, the
• 32:38
  closest you're gonna get it, and the definite one is Brandon Lee." Just
• 32:44
  Jon: I, this is not,
• 32:46
  Kearns: the, you
• 32:46
  Jon: this is not my crow.
• 32:48
  Kearns: The Crow was forged in sorrow.
• 32:51
  No.
• 32:51
  Yeah, good
• 32:52
  Jon: This,
• 32:52
  Kearns: Not my
• 32:52
  Ryan: Yep.
• 32:53
  Jon: this is not my crow.
• 32:54
  All right
• 32:55
  Kearns: Even the kids don't like this movie
• 32:56
  Ryan: No, it's
• 32:58
  Jon: All right, movie, movie number two is Friday the 13th Part V: A New Beginning
• 33:09
  Kearns: That's the thing, bro
• 33:12
  Ryan: The fifth part in a movie?
• 33:15
  Jon: It is the fifth part.
• 33:16
  Kearns: Hey, but
• 33:16
  Jon: These are all part fives.
• 33:18
  That's the fifth Crow movie.
• 33:20
  That's the fifth Crow movie.
• 33:22
  Yep.
• 33:23
  Yep.
• 33:24
  Kearns: How did
• 33:24
  Jon: That's the fifth Crow
• 33:26
  Ryan: part Friday 13th, part five.
• 33:28
  Jon: he, he got it from this one for sure
• 33:32
  Ryan: But then you think about it, Evil Dead, Evil Dead II, Army of Darkness,
• 33:36
  Evil Dead 2013, Rise is the fifth,
• 33:39
  Kearns: was
• 33:39
  Ryan: and
• 33:40
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 33:44
  Ryan: I did.
• 33:45
  Wait, hold on.
• 33:45
  Do I get an extra…
• 33:46
  Kearns: saw part
• 33:47
  Ryan: What?
• 33:48
  Jon: No.
• 33:49
  No, there's no ex- We're not there.
• 33:51
  Ryan: No.
• 33:53
  Jon: be- because,
• 33:53
  Kearns: night
• 33:53
  Jon: because
• 33:56
  I, I, I honestly, I think you're gonna struggle to stash, you're both gonna
• 34:01
  struggle to stash three movies here.
• 34:03
  I'll tell you what, if you get, if you, if you get stuck, I'll
• 34:08
  let you have the fourth one.
• 34:10
  But I don't think you're gonna want it
• 34:13
  Ryan: Yeah, but the thing is, is I do enjoy f- the fifth.
• 34:15
  Like I do, I'm gonna stash part five 'cause I do like part five.
• 34:19
  I think it's unique for Friday the 13th and the direction they were taking it.
• 34:22
  But I do like Halloween 5, 'cause it connects to the fourth one.
• 34:27
  Kearns: I doubt he's gonna put that up here
• 34:28
  Ryan: He might have.
• 34:29
  He might have.
• 34:30
  Kearns: 5."
• 34:31
  Ryan: That's your, uh, the shoot scene.
• 34:32
  Kearns: "Halloween 4."
• 34:34
  Ryan: No,
• 34:34
  Kearns: five?
• 34:34
  I
• 34:34
  Ryan: that's f-
• 34:35
  Jon: No, four, four is the one with Ted Hollister
• 34:37
  Kearns: scene.
• 34:38
  Yeah, four's the shoot scene
• 34:40
  Ryan: Uh, so real quick, I was, um, back, um, I'm back in school, ladies and
• 34:45
  gentlemen, and, uh, to write papers I have to have a movie on in the background.
• 34:49
  I always go with horror.
• 34:51
  So the first thing I did, and I was gonna text you guys, but I was so
• 34:54
  busy typing, it was Halloween 4, and the scene came on with, "Goddammit
• 34:58
  Earl, you shot Ted Hollister."
• 35:01
  Jon: And sh-
• 35:02
  Ryan: And I'm
• 35:02
  Jon: yeah.
• 35:03
  Ryan: just laughing.
• 35:05
  Jon: Shit, Earl, it's Ted
• 35:07
  Ryan: Such an underrated sequel
• 35:09
  Jon: Hollister.
• 35:11
  Kearns: That's a
• 35:11
  Jon: All right.
• 35:12
  Kearns, stash or slash, slash
• 35:16
  Ryan: I'm not even gonna say blasphemy 'cause it's, it's not even the best,
• 35:20
  but it does something different, which I
• 35:23
  Jon: All right.
• 35:24
  Movie number three.
• 35:25
  Kearns: Docking.
• 35:26
  Ryan: Oh,
• 35:26
  Jon: The Fly II from 1989.
• 35:30
  Kearns: the fifth in the Fly
• 35:31
  Jon: This is the fifth Fly movie
• 35:35
  Ryan: Vincent Price was in the first two sequels.
• 35:37
  Kearns: stash this either.
• 35:38
  This is terrible
• 35:40
  Ryan: Is this the opening where she gives birth to the baby fly too?
• 35:45
  Like they continue it
• 35:47
  Jon: I think, mm, I don't, I don't remember.
• 35:50
  I remember they, I remember this one had the song in the commercial.
• 35:54
  Uh, "Hush little baby, don't you cry just because your dad was The Fly."
• 36:02
  It was amazing
• 36:03
  Kearns: Oh.
• 36:05
  If I'd known that jingle, I might have stashed it.
• 36:07
  Oh.
• 36:08
  Jon: All
• 36:09
  Kearns: I am
• 36:10
  Jon: All right.
• 36:10
  Kearns: guys.
• 36:11
  Sorry for all the groaning.
• 36:13
  All right, let's see what's next
• 36:14
  Jon: Movie four.
• 36:16
  Rocky V
• 36:18
  Ryan: How many slashes is this?
• 36:19
  Kearns: I hate you.
• 36:20
  I'm gonna
• 36:20
  Jon: It's, it's three and five.
• 36:22
  Kearns: so much
• 36:23
  Ryan: It's, it's three stashes, five slashes.
• 36:26
  Yeah, I'll
• 36:27
  Jon: Yep
• 36:28
  Ryan: V. I, I don't…
• 36:29
  Kearns: bad.
• 36:29
  Ryan: Don't
• 36:30
  Jon: I told you I,
• 36:31
  Ryan: Don't, don't sta-
• 36:32
  Jon: I, I think, I think by, by the end of this list you're gonna
• 36:36
  be begging for extra slashes
• 36:39
  Ryan: What do you prefer, this or Rocky Balboa?
• 36:43
  This or Rocky Balboa
• 36:45
  Kearns: Balboa compared this.
• 36:45
  I
• 36:46
  Jon: I liked more than this.
• 36:47
  The Rocky
• 36:48
  Kearns: he's
• 36:48
  Jon: just silly.
• 36:49
  Kearns: son in Balboa.
• 36:50
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 36:52
  Kearns: It's
• 36:52
  Jon: But f-
• 36:53
  Kearns: Rocky
• 36:54
  Jon: for-
• 36:54
  Kearns: is the one that's, is better than Rocky V, but it's like, yeah
• 37:00
  What are you
• 37:01
  Jon: I, it w- this is another, this is another one.
• 37:02
  When I rewatch the Rocky movies, I go, most of the time I go
• 37:06
  one through four and that's it.
• 37:07
  That's enough
• 37:10
  I almost never do five in Rocky Balboa.
• 37:13
  Kearns: It's, it's unnecessary
• 37:15
  Jon: I haven't seen the last two Creed movies.
• 37:17
  I saw the first Creed.
• 37:21
  Okay
• 37:22
  Kearns: They, they chose the worst person for him to fight
• 37:24
  in Balboa too, by the way.
• 37:26
  Um, Creed one is watchable.
• 37:28
  The rest of the Creed movies are garbage.
• 37:30
  I said it.
• 37:33
  Fight
• 37:33
  Jon: Didn't even bother.
• 37:34
  Ryan: I
• 37:34
  Jon: The, the, I
• 37:36
  Ryan: before I make an opinion
• 37:37
  Kearns: I'm not a
• 37:37
  Jon: The f…
• 37:38
  Kearns: fan either, really.
• 37:39
  He's not,
• 37:40
  Jon: We, we have established that.
• 37:42
  Kearns: Sinners episode
• 37:43
  Jon: We have established that.
• 37:45
  Ryan: man.
• 37:45
  Jon: All right.
• 37:46
  You guys ready to go on?
• 37:47
  Movie number five
• 37:49
  Kearns: We got left with Michael B. Jordan because Chadwick Boseman died.
• 37:53
  Jon: Yep.
• 37:54
  Kearns: happened
• 37:54
  Ryan: Ah, but I'm gonna stash
• 37:56
  Jon: Nightmare on Elm Street 5
• 37:58
  Kearns: Dream Child I'll stash too.
• 38:00
  Ryan: Is that the dr- it is the Dream Child, yep.
• 38:02
  'Cause it's Dream Warriors, Master, Child.
• 38:07
  This one had the, uh… Yeah, there it is, the creepy, um, uh,
• 38:12
  Jon: Stroller?
• 38:13
  Ryan: There we go.
• 38:13
  Kearns: and net.
• 38:14
  stroller is better
• 38:16
  Jon: Buggy
• 38:17
  Ryan: This one, was this the one where he crushes the girl
• 38:19
  in the bug, the bug thing?
• 38:22
  Kearns: Oh, I
• 38:22
  Jon: I don't remember.
• 38:23
  Kearns: he puts her… She gets stuck on the fly
• 38:25
  Ryan: Yes
• 38:26
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 38:27
  Kearns: that's a tough scene
• 38:28
  Jon: All right
• 38:29
  Ryan: and the baby having nightmares
• 38:32
  Jon: Movie number
• 38:34
  Kearns: Here
• 38:35
  Jon: six.
• 38:36
  There it is, Halloween 5
• 38:40
  Ryan: Stash.
• 38:41
  Stash.
• 38:43
  I'm fine with that.
• 38:43
  Kearns: actress in this, the little girl.
• 38:46
  Ryan: Danielle Harris
• 38:47
  Kearns: uh, she's
• 38:48
  Jon: Harris.
• 38:49
  Kearns: uh, Full House and stuff too.
• 38:51
  That's her name, Danielle Harris.
• 38:52
  She's like
• 38:53
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 38:53
  Kearns: friend that gets you into trouble in a ton of t- TV shows.
• 38:57
  Jon: And she grew up to be the, yeah, she grew up to be the badass one.
• 39:01
  Yeah, that rounds you out
• 39:05
  You have, Ryan, you, you have the option.
• 39:07
  Kearns: left
• 39:08
  Jon: Uh, I wouldn't be so sure.
• 39:10
  Movie number seven.
• 39:13
  Kearns: Son of a
• 39:13
  Jon: That's… Da- why is that the wrong poster?
• 39:15
  That's not the poster I downloaded.
• 39:17
  It's Fanta- it's Phantasm
• 39:18
  Kearns: Lord of the Dead.
• 39:19
  Jon: have to get you guys the right poster for when this actually comes out.
• 39:23
  Phantasm Ravager.
• 39:25
  Sorry, Kearns.
• 39:26
  Ryan, do, would you like to exercise your extra-
• 39:32
  Ryan: But what's your last movie then?
• 39:34
  Kearns: Ravager over all my choices
• 39:36
  Ryan: know what?
• 39:37
  Yeah, I'm gonna stash Ravager.
• 39:38
  I love Phantasm.
• 39:40
  After we covered Phantasm, like I understand now when they did
• 39:45
  a lot of reviews for the fifth film, as we discussed, you have to
• 39:48
  be a fan to enjoy the last film.
• 39:51
  You have to enjoy all the whole story to enjoy the
• 39:55
  Jon: All right.
• 39:56
  So movie number eight, you both have slashed.
• 39:59
  I think you're probably both gonna be a little disappointed because you
• 40:03
  have slashed Clint Eastwood's Deadpool
• 40:07
  Kearns: No way.
• 40:08
  Dirty Harry in the Deadpool?
• 40:10
  Oh my God.
• 40:11
  Ryan: So we
• 40:12
  Jon: Yeah.
• 40:12
  Ryan: Liam Neeson's career, we eliminate Jim Carrey's career.
• 40:17
  you wanna know something though?
• 40:18
  Sudden Impact is a better film than the Deadpool
• 40:22
  Jon: Uh, I mean, of course it is.
• 40:23
  It, they, I mean, the, the, I, I, I think what we just discovered is that the first
• 40:29
  one is better than all of the part fives
• 40:33
  Kearns: Yeah, 100%.
• 40:35
  Oh, come on, find something to argue
• 40:37
  Ryan: Out
• 40:37
  Jon: We, yeah
• 40:38
  Ryan: out of, out of, hold on, hold on.
• 40:40
  Out of the Dirty Harry movies, I think the best one is Magnum
• 40:43
  Force, which is the sequel
• 40:45
  Jon: Okay, I mean, all right.
• 40:46
  Fair, fair enough.
• 40:48
  Fair enough.
• 40:48
  I, I,
• 40:49
  Kearns: are
• 40:49
  Jon: I, I, I, I will, I will amend, I will amend my… No, I won't
• 40:54
  because the, because the state- the statement stands is there is not a
• 40:58
  single one of these movies where part five is better than the first one
• 41:04
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 41:05
  Oh yeah, you're f- okay, fair.
• 41:07
  Fair on that.
• 41:08
  Fair
• 41:09
  Kearns: put him on notice about the same thing,
• 41:11
  Ryan: Fair.
• 41:12
  Fair.
• 41:13
  Kearns: you guys are missing again.
• 41:15
  Ryan: Oh,
• 41:16
  Jon: Uh-uh.
• 41:16
  Ryan: We can hear you.
• 41:18
  We can see you
• 41:19
  Kearns: without being able to see you.
• 41:21
  I forgot how I fix this.
• 41:23
  I think I
• 41:24
  Ryan: Oh y- um, corner?
• 41:27
  Yeah
• 41:28
  Kearns: Get the box.
• 41:29
  It's in the box.
• 41:30
  Speaker and then back out to gallery.
• 41:33
  Yeah.
• 41:34
  Um, all right.
• 41:35
  So
• 41:36
  Ryan: That was a good game
• 41:37
  Kearns: going to be accelerating towards the end.
• 41:39
  It was a good game.
• 41:40
  Towards the end of this podcast.
• 41:42
  Jon: Yeah, I like that one
• 41:44
  Kearns: so this even an Evil Dead movie?
• 41:48
  Kinda talked about that, but is this even an Evil Dead movie?
• 41:50
  Ryan: Yes
• 41:51
  Jon: Kind of, I guess, I guess in, in a sense
• 41:57
  Kearns: Spiritually?
• 41:58
  It is.
• 41:59
  I think it
• 42:00
  Jon: Yeah, I mean, you, have the core elements.
• 42:03
  I miss the campiness.
• 42:05
  I do.
• 42:05
  I, you know, I thi- I think we've established my love for campy anything,
• 42:11
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 42:12
  Jon: especially in horror
• 42:14
  Kearns: It's, hard to have an Evil Dead movie without the camp, and this
• 42:17
  definitely does not have the camp.
• 42:19
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:20
  Ryan: but
• 42:20
  Jon: And I…
• 42:21
  Kearns: will have the camp.
• 42:22
  I think they're gonna go hard in the paint again, trying to reimagine
• 42:25
  the franchise for the modern
• 42:26
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 42:26
  Kearns: and I'm not sure the kids are ready for it
• 42:28
  Ryan: Have you seen the trailer for it yet?
• 42:31
  Yeah.
• 42:33
  the recent one where he goes on the dishwasher with the knives.
• 42:36
  I mean, they're just going with the whole gory aspect again and
• 42:39
  just taking it up to a notch.
• 42:41
  But the campiness, yeah, the campiness is what made Evil Dead, but the first
• 42:46
  film is what established it as a horror.
• 42:49
  that's what it is, is what we gotta remember.
• 42:51
  It's a, it's a horror film.
• 42:52
  I mean, yeah, the comedy adds to that layer, but what Rise
• 42:56
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 42:56
  Mm-hmm.
• 42:56
  Ryan: that horror back with, which is not over the line like 2013, in my opinion.
• 43:04
  Kearns: ask you, let me ask you a question.
• 43:05
  Ryan: Yeah
• 43:06
  Kearns: a plain pizza pie, you get olives on 30% of that pizza pie, is
• 43:10
  that the same as a pizza pie that has nothing on it or just olives on it?
• 43:16
  Ryan: What is this, Monty Python and the Holy Grail?
• 43:17
  Am I gonna jump off a bridge?
• 43:19
  Like, is
• 43:19
  Kearns: Is that the same thing?
• 43:21
  Would you be happy with the same thing being brought to your door
• 43:24
  Ryan: I wouldn't want olives on my pizza.
• 43:25
  Kearns: If it had…
• 43:26
  Jon: Yeah.
• 43:27
  Ryan: I wouldn't
• 43:27
  Jon: I'd be, I'd be happy w-
• 43:28
  Kearns: Dead
• 43:29
  Jon: be happier with the 30% one.
• 43:33
  I'd be happier with 30% olives than 100% olives
• 43:37
  Kearns: In Army of Darkness, it's 70% olives.
• 43:41
  It's 70% olives.
• 43:42
  It's way more campy.
• 43:44
  So it's not the s-
• 43:44
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:44
  Mm-hmm.
• 43:46
  Kearns: a, a major element that was part of the movie out of it, which is
• 43:51
  what I think John's argument was too.
• 43:53
  And
• 43:54
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 43:54
  Kearns: not to say… And I understand what you're saying too.
• 43:56
  What they did, what their choice was, was to go full-on horror, and
• 44:01
  even, like, make it even crazier than anything that's coming out right now.
• 44:04
  Try to get real gritty with it.
• 44:06
  we're, we're kinda nostalgic.
• 44:09
  We missed a little bit of that campy vibe.
• 44:12
  They didn't even
• 44:12
  Jon: for sure.
• 44:14
  For sure.
• 44:14
  Like, like Ryan, you said after you watched this you had to go watch Spinal
• 44:18
  Tap because you needed something lighter.
• 44:21
  After this I went,
• 44:22
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 44:22
  Jon: I went campy.
• 44:23
  I had to go find campy stuff to watch.
• 44:26
  So I watched a movie called Arbor Day
• 44:31
  Kearns: He wanted the tree scene, that's why
• 44:34
  Jon: Our, our Arbor Day is 100% not something we will ever
• 44:38
  cover on this, unless, you know, probably a Patreon kind of thing.
• 44:42
  It is fantastically terrible, fantastically campy
• 44:47
  Kearns: We definitely have to do Patreon for movies that are so bad they're good
• 44:51
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 44:51
  Ryan: Um, basically the whole Puppet Master franchise besides the first
• 44:55
  one, which we'll cover later this year
• 44:57
  Kearns: movies were pretty good, yeah.
• 44:59
  Ryan: Uh, the first, the first three.
• 45:01
  The five, first five.
• 45:04
  Retro.
• 45:05
  Kearns: 'cause
• 45:05
  Ryan: They're all good
• 45:06
  Kearns: girl.
• 45:07
  like HBO would be on the
• 45:09
  Jon: You went, you went from saying none of them are good to the first one
• 45:13
  is good, to the first three are good, to the first five are good, to all of
• 45:18
  them are good in the span of 30 seconds.
• 45:20
  Ryan: That was a cash cow.
• 45:21
  Six was…
• 45:23
  Kearns: on this issue
• 45:26
  Ryan: don't mess with Puppet Master.
• 45:27
  All right
• 45:28
  Kearns: Hey, I got a question for you guys.
• 45:30
  Effects in this movie compared to the first ones, we're talking a
• 45:34
  lot of CGI, but this one does have practical effects too, Evil Dead Rise.
• 45:38
  Jon: No
• 45:39
  Kearns: Did you like the, effects of this better than the first trilogy?
• 45:44
  Ryan: Hmm.
• 45:45
  Jon: I mean, there, there's a charm,
• 45:47
  Ryan: I…
• 45:48
  Jon: there's a charm in the first ones.
• 45:51
  But I mean, you know, as far as like splatter and gore, I think these
• 45:56
  are just, this is just as effective
• 45:59
  Kearns: I think I'm more looking at the makeup than the splatter and gore,
• 46:02
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:05
  Yeah, I,
• 46:06
  Kearns: give Rise its flowers there, although it does a good job of it
• 46:09
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 46:10
  the makeup is more, I guess, realistic would be the way to go
• 46:16
  Ryan: You're having a hard time here.
• 46:18
  Kearns: Oh, we've never had John on the back foot before
• 46:20
  Ryan: You see, I don't wanna compliment this movie, but I need… I'm going
• 46:23
  Jon: I, no, I mean,
• 46:25
  Kearns: that
• 46:25
  Jon: I g- I, I think
• 46:26
  Kearns: shines the most is probably the makeup
• 46:29
  Jon: Yeah.
• 46:29
  Yeah.
• 46:30
  Like I, it's, it's a more realistic look.
• 46:33
  It's not the Deadites you're used to seeing.
• 46:35
  It's not like they're not melty or gooey or any of that.
• 46:39
  They're, you know, it's, she, um, Ellie is in particular
• 46:44
  is pretty carved up facially.
• 46:50
  Ryan: Yeah
• 46:52
  Kearns: We, yeah.
• 46:53
  Yep.
• 46:55
  Ryan: But it,
• 46:55
  Jon: Yeah
• 46:56
  Ryan: it doesn't have the flair of the originals.
• 46:58
  That's the thing.
• 46:59
  It doesn't have like, like I can watch this and yeah, you can say that's
• 47:05
  a Deadite, you can see any other film now and see a similar thing.
• 47:11
  But you watch the original trilogy, especially the first one, she first
• 47:16
  is possessed by the Deadites and like the granny face in the cellar.
• 47:22
  that's really haunting and that's like no matter as a kid, adult, when you first see
• 47:27
  that or watching it again, it stays etched into your mind because it's different
• 47:32
  Kearns: like
• 47:33
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:33
  Kearns: a lot of planning and a lot of talent and a lot of artistry, and also
• 47:37
  like Q-tips and spray and all that to make the mask itself back then, to make
• 47:42
  everything look the way they did, the
• 47:44
  Ryan: Love.
• 47:44
  Love went into it
• 47:46
  Kearns: I think I gotta
• 47:46
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:51
  Kearns: the love in Rise.
• 47:52
  I think they did a good job in Rise, but I would, I give the edge
• 47:56
  to the original personally, but
• 47:58
  Ryan: is
• 47:58
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 47:58
  Ryan: you.
• 47:59
  Kearns: th-
• 47:59
  Ryan: Rise is a thank you though, if you wanna say that.
• 48:03
  It's a thank you for like, you know, thank you for ma- like to Sam Raimi, to
• 48:07
  Bruce Campbell for making these films.
• 48:09
  This is what I'm gonna do to show like how much I love it.
• 48:13
  And Lee Cronin, you know,
• 48:15
  Jon: I mean,
• 48:16
  Ryan: It's a love letter.
• 48:17
  No?
• 48:17
  Kearns: see that in
• 48:18
  Ryan: No?
• 48:19
  can
• 48:19
  Jon: I mean,
• 48:20
  Kearns: it to be, Ryan.
• 48:21
  Jon: yeah.
• 48:21
  Kearns: if
• 48:22
  Jon: Like Ra- w-
• 48:22
  Ryan: it for it to be
• 48:24
  Jon: Ramy and Campbell are executive producers on this, so
• 48:27
  it's not like they're not involved
• 48:31
  Ryan: Was Campbell?
• 48:31
  Campbell was?
• 48:32
  Jon: Yeah.
• 48:33
  Ryan: just
• 48:33
  Jon: Yeah, they're bo- both of them are executive produced this, so it's
• 48:36
  not… It- they're not not involved.
• 48:40
  They're, there.
• 48:41
  It's this, so like, are they paying homage to themselves?
• 48:46
  Like, did they find someone who would pay homage to them for them?
• 48:51
  You know, I think there's some element of, yeah, th- this is what I grew
• 48:55
  up on, and th- I wanna show some love for it in the writing of it.
• 48:59
  But I think at the end of the day, this was, uh, you know, the
• 49:04
  opportunity to d- to make an Evil Dead movie, and they jumped on it
• 49:09
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 49:11
  Yeah.
• 49:12
  Ryan: did help them
• 49:13
  Kearns: your bubble, buddy.
• 49:14
  I don't, Jen, I'm not trying to be argumentative with you,
• 49:15
  but I just don't, I don't
• 49:17
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 49:18
  I mean, I mean,
• 49:19
  Kearns: romantic view of
• 49:21
  Jon: I, I, think there are e- there are people interested in seeing the
• 49:25
  Evil Dead franchise continue, inc- probably including Raimi and Campbell,
• 49:30
  but they don't wanna do it themselves.
• 49:33
  You know, they moved on to other projects
• 49:35
  Ryan: Wait, you, you don't know that Raimi basically wrote out the
• 49:39
  whole f- franchise for them, right?
• 49:42
  Jon: I mean, it's there, but, but, but Cronin's got the screenwriting
• 49:46
  credit on this, not Ca- uh, not Raimi
• 49:49
  Ryan: Yeah, so with the screenwriting, but the storyline-wise, Ramy's
• 49:52
  Jon: Yeah, I mean,
• 49:53
  Kearns: he sketched it out?
• 49:54
  Yeah, plotted it out.
• 49:55
  Okay.
• 49:56
  Jon: Yeah, but, but like they, like they, they say they, they, the two of
• 50:00
  them have like moved on to other things.
• 50:02
  I mean, unfortunately for Bruce at this point it's health.
• 50:06
  Ryan: Yeah
• 50:07
  Jon: you know, Sam Raimi's moved on to doing other things.
• 50:10
  You know, he got into the superhero money.
• 50:12
  He got into other money.
• 50:14
  He's, you know, he's returned to some level of horror this year
• 50:19
  with, uh, Send Help, which I haven't watched yet, but you know, he,
• 50:24
  he's sort of, he- they've moved on.
• 50:28
  Kearns: It
• 50:29
  Jon: think this-
• 50:29
  Kearns: kind of another point.
• 50:30
  Oh, I'm sorry, I'll let you finish
• 50:32
  Jon: I think this, if you, if you're somebody who wants to see more of the
• 50:35
  Evil Dead, this is what you should expect
• 50:39
  Kearns: And that brings us to the next point, which is perfect segue, Mr. John.
• 50:43
  And that's what, how does it make you feel that the franchise has
• 50:46
  changed directions this way with losing the camp and everything?
• 50:49
  We see how Ryan feels about it.
• 50:51
  I think I know how John feels about it.
• 50:53
  Like, what happens when… And d- you can expand this to any franchise that
• 50:57
  you love and it switches up gears
• 51:00
  Jon: it's funny because something like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, after the
• 51:06
  first one went more into the camp,
• 51:09
  Ryan: Yes
• 51:09
  Jon: I fell off.
• 51:11
  But this, but Evil Dead moved away from the camp, and I th- I think I like when it
• 51:17
  stays in that original realm more, which I, I know is limiting, and it's not how,
• 51:24
  how I, I am with a lot of other things.
• 51:27
  Like authors, I wanna see the full range of what they can write.
• 51:31
  Musicians, I like, I like AC/DC, but they've made the
• 51:34
  same album for s- 50 years.
• 51:37
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Jon: You know, I, I want music-- I want bands that are gonna
• 51:40
  be inventive in what they do.
• 51:42
  Still identifiable, but inventive
• 51:46
  Kearns: See what you're saying.
• 51:47
  Ryan: I agree with that
• 51:48
  Jon: Um,
• 51:49
  Kearns: want that blueprint to stay there
• 51:51
  Jon: if you're gonna be a part of a franchise, I want it to feel
• 51:54
  spiritually like the other ones
• 51:59
  But, you know, at the same time, like I said, I think if you wanna
• 52:02
  see an Evil Dead movie, this is what you're gonna have to expect
• 52:06
  Ryan: Gotcha.
• 52:07
  Kearns: Okay.
• 52:09
  Ryan: But
• 52:09
  Jon: I think, I think it's what you should expect
• 52:12
  Ryan: that bad, a- as long as it's for the better though,
• 52:15
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 52:16
  I,
• 52:16
  Ryan: I mean
• 52:17
  Jon: I think he, I think you should want this to be where
• 52:19
  you go with The Evil Dead.
• 52:21
  I don't think you, unless you're getting Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell
• 52:25
  back involved, I don't think you wanna see it go back to the camp
• 52:28
  because nobody's gonna do it as well
• 52:33
  Kearns: Yeah, I was thinking
• 52:35
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 52:35
  Kearns: too.
• 52:35
  Who is out there right now?
• 52:36
  Who would they cast?
• 52:37
  Ryan Reynolds or something?
• 52:38
  Like, who's gonna, who are they gonna try to get to capture
• 52:41
  Bruce Campbell's ability to play
• 52:43
  Ryan: I should… No, not Ryan Reynolds.
• 52:46
  I mean, no, you can't, you can't, you can't replace the king, baby
• 52:51
  Jon: A Skarsgård.
• 52:51
  A Scar- a Skarsgård or a Hemsworth
• 52:54
  Kearns: Ugh.
• 52:55
  Ryan: No, no, thank you
• 52:56
  Kearns: realm.
• 52:57
  They need an attractive leading man that
• 53:00
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:00
  Kearns: to have charisma of that level and that
• 53:03
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:03
  Kearns: kind of free it up and yuck it up a bit like he did.
• 53:06
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:07
  Kearns: there right now I
• 53:07
  Jon: I,
• 53:08
  Kearns: of
• 53:08
  Jon: and
• 53:08
  Kearns: pull that off or who'd want to pull that off
• 53:11
  Jon: An unconventionally handsome lead.
• 53:13
  Like not someone who's like Brad Pitt handsome, but someone who's like, "Hey,
• 53:18
  that guy's good-looking in a weird way."
• 53:22
  Kearns: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Ryan: Oh, Dean from Supernatural
• 53:26
  Kearns: Uh, okay.
• 53:28
  Jon: I'm not seeing that.
• 53:29
  I'm s- that's,
• 53:30
  Ryan: name.
• 53:30
  Dean.
• 53:31
  Jon: that's, that's, I don't remember wh- one of them is Padalecki.
• 53:34
  I don't remember who the other one is.
• 53:37
  I don't know which one is which, but n- I mean, they're kind of both too trad-
• 53:41
  Kearns: in my lifetime where I've heard the women find them hot, and I'm like,
• 53:45
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 53:46
  They, they, I, uh, they, I think they're too traditionally attractive
• 53:53
  Ryan: Keys to the car.
• 53:54
  Chicks dig the car
• 53:58
  Jon: Let's take the long ball
• 54:00
  Kearns: But there it is.
• 54:03
  There it is.
• 54:04
  Now we know.
• 54:05
  Ryan: Yeah
• 54:06
  Kearns: We are moving into wood chipper.
• 54:11
  This is
• 54:11
  Jon: The wood chipper.
• 54:13
  Kearns: in a row we get to discuss a wood chipper.
• 54:14
  Jon: Yeah
• 54:15
  Ryan: Yep.
• 54:17
  Jon: And, and this is the moment Evil Dead Rise has sunk into…
• 54:21
  Yeah, I mean, it's funnier.
• 54:23
  It's, yeah.
• 54:24
  Um, this is, this is where we've sunk fully into body horror.
• 54:28
  Ryan: in there
• 54:30
  Jon: We have, we have all, all the Deadites, the Deadites melded
• 54:34
  together for the wood chipper.
• 54:37
  They've sort of
• 54:39
  Ryan: But it's
• 54:39
  Jon: gooped and melted
• 54:41
  Kearns: than the body horror stuff, 'cause at that point it's so clearly like, "Oh,
• 54:44
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 54:46
  Yeah.
• 54:46
  Yeah
• 54:49
  Kearns: Yeah
• 54:51
  Jon: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:52
  Ryan: body horror?
• 54:53
  Kearns: I enjoyed the wood chipper in this.
• 54:56
  Jon: I did too.
• 54:56
  I mean, uh,
• 54:57
  Kearns: for the kids, 'cause I
• 54:58
  Jon: it
• 54:58
  Kearns: see… They, basically made it hopeless for the rest
• 55:00
  of the cast throughout this
• 55:01
  Jon: Yeah.
• 55:02
  Kearns: saw a way
• 55:03
  Jon: Y-
• 55:03
  Kearns: gonna win
• 55:04
  Jon: yeah.
• 55:04
  Well, yeah, and, you really get that when Beth plays the records from the
• 55:09
  end to the beginning to try to figure out how to stop this, and it clearly
• 55:13
  says, "As long as there's pieces of them, they will keep coming after you."
• 55:20
  So, wood chipper
• 55:23
  Kearns: It's like, ugh.
• 55:24
  And then of course, that didn't work wholly because at the end of the movie
• 55:28
  we find that guess who's possessed now?
• 55:34
  Ryan: The
• 55:34
  Jon: Yep.
• 55:35
  Ryan: nice blonde lady who goes
• 55:37
  Jon: I see
• 55:38
  Ryan: with her friends in the beginning of the film,
• 55:42
  Jon: Yes, that's,
• 55:43
  Ryan: you
• 55:43
  Jon: that is Jessica from the beginning
• 55:48
  Ryan: I, I like that change though, because like usually you get the opening
• 55:51
  of a, any Evil Dead film where like right into the book, right into the
• 55:56
  Deadites, and yeah, you get that in the beginning, but it's like for the viewer.
• 56:01
  It's like different.
• 56:03
  Like, okay, you get the
• 56:04
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:04
  Ryan: stuff, but
• 56:05
  Jon: Mm.
• 56:06
  Ryan: Why is she possessed?
• 56:08
  Like, what's going on?
• 56:10
  And then it builds up from there.
• 56:12
  like
• 56:12
  Jon: Yeah
• 56:13
  Ryan: And that scalping scene, that, that was, I think, yeah,
• 56:18
  that was, yeah, that was the worst
• 56:20
  Kearns: I've become so squeamish in my older age.
• 56:23
  Ryan: It, 'cause you see the brain.
• 56:24
  You see her brain popping from her freaking skull.
• 56:27
  Kearns: ne- like give you an example, when I watched Hannibal and he takes, um,
• 56:32
  Ryan: Ray Liotta
• 56:33
  Kearns: God, yeah, Ray Liotta's skull cap and does the little slicey dice and
• 56:38
  throws it on the griddle and whatnot, it's like I was like fine with that.
• 56:42
  I was like, "Oh man, whoa,
• 56:44
  Ryan: You can tell it's fake though.
• 56:46
  You can tell it-- I feel like you can.
• 56:49
  Kearns: it didn't look fake, I would've been cool with it
• 56:50
  because I was younger and I didn't
• 56:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 56:53
  There,
• 56:53
  Kearns: about being
• 56:53
  Jon: there's also,
• 56:54
  Kearns: things like
• 56:55
  Jon: there's also a little bit of camp to that scene, whereas the,
• 56:58
  the scalping in Evil Dead Rise is, you know, pretty straightforward.
• 57:02
  There's a little bit of that Hannibal campy in there
• 57:08
  Kearns: Yeah, 'cause he's talking to him like he's like a third grader
• 57:10
  Jon: All right, so Evil Dead Rise currently has an 85% critic
• 57:14
  score and a 76% audience score.
• 57:18
  So it's, you know, pretty positive.
• 57:22
  we found a five-star, which goes, "Mommy's with the maggots now.
• 57:27
  That line epitomizes how dark this whole film is.
• 57:32
  It misses the humor of the Bruce Campbell film, but it's still a solid
• 57:37
  release." I'm not sure that's a five-star review, but that's a five-star review
• 57:42
  Ryan: I would put it more, but I don't wanna say my review yet, but
• 57:48
  it's like couple stars little lower
• 57:53
  Kearns: I mean, you just said your review.
• 57:54
  Ryan: No, not
• 57:55
  Jon: Eh.
• 57:56
  Ryan: really.
• 57:56
  Kearns: minus
• 57:57
  Jon: Ah, we'll see.
• 57:58
  We'll see
• 57:59
  Ryan: but it's, you know
• 58:00
  Jon: and of course there's some one-star reviews.
• 58:02
  This one star, "The writing felt more focused on ideological messaging than
• 58:09
  creating believable characters or a compelling plot. Social commentary can
• 58:14
  absolutely exist in film, but when it becomes overt enough to overshadow the
• 58:20
  story, it pulls me out completely."
• 58:25
  And I'm confused as to what movie this man watched.
• 58:28
  Kearns: what's the social commentary in Evil Dead
• 58:29
  Jon: The, the only thing, the only thing that resembles any social commentary
• 58:37
  is Bridget is going to a protest,
• 58:39
  Ryan: Yeah.
• 58:40
  Jon: and it's an environmental protest.
• 58:42
  It's not… It's the least controversial protest you could have.
• 58:46
  Ryan: like they just want to complain
• 58:47
  Jon: Her s- her sign is the least controversial sign
• 58:51
  you can, you could have.
• 58:53
  You know, make Earth cool again." But I mean, it, this is sort of
• 58:56
  the problem, is anything that you don't like is too woke, and that's
• 59:00
  basically where we're getting, is that somehow this Evil Dead movie is woke.
• 59:05
  Kearns: It is not.
• 59:05
  And then the,
• 59:06
  Jon: It's not even a little.
• 59:08
  Kearns: for sure.
• 59:09
  It's, I mean, if you do everything that is, is progress or different, then yeah,
• 59:13
  I guess that does track with some of these
• 59:15
  Ryan: Oh, it's true.
• 59:17
  Kearns: yeah.
• 59:18
  Ryan: Nuance.
• 59:20
  It's like noir.
• 59:23
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 59:23
  Kearns: words
• 59:24
  Jon: then,
• 59:24
  Kearns: with M.
• 59:27
  Jon: and then we ha- we have one more one-star review.
• 59:31
  "Everything about this movie, including the script, dialogue, acting, and
• 59:36
  directing was bad. Evil Dead Rise is as by the numbers as it gets, and still manages
• 59:45
  to be bad, even when following a formula."
• 59:50
  Kearns: Mm-hmm.
• 59:51
  Jon: And again, I, I'm not sure you watched the same movie.
• 59:54
  It's, I mean
• 59:55
  Ryan: Some of these reviewers get me scared based on their
• 59:58
  opinions, 'cause I feel like, like
• 1:00:01
  Kearns: The
• 1:00:01
  Ryan: get it
• 1:00:01
  Kearns: they a say in our society bothers
• 1:00:04
  Ryan: Well,
• 1:00:04
  Kearns: yeah, continue
• 1:00:05
  Ryan: just like, said this, like, in our, like, episodes with the whole thing.
• 1:00:12
  If you- you're going to film school, you know, you think you have all
• 1:00:16
  this, like, opinionated and you think this is how a film should be.
• 1:00:20
  No, a film can be anything.
• 1:00:22
  Like, even, like, The Room.
• 1:00:25
  The Room's a horrible movie, but it's a fun watch.
• 1:00:29
  It does what it does
• 1:00:31
  Kearns: the most horrible movie
• 1:00:33
  Ryan: Y-yes
• 1:00:34
  Kearns: done to be good.
• 1:00:35
  I think that's what makes it shine.
• 1:00:37
  Ryan: Yes, but it's like people got the different opinions and that's
• 1:00:41
  what it is, all different opinions.
• 1:00:42
  When these reviews I feel like are just shooting the movie down, where
• 1:00:47
  yeah, like you can be truthful of it and there is negativity, but
• 1:00:51
  there's positivity too within it
• 1:00:54
  Jon: Yeah, I mean, the whole one-star concept is kind of foreign to me.
• 1:00:59
  I don't know that I have a single movie that I would ma- rate as one star
• 1:01:07
  Ryan: Jump in, Robin
• 1:01:07
  Jon: I'm not, uh, uh, n- not even that
• 1:01:10
  Kearns: out there for me and Robin.
• 1:01:12
  Jon: N- not, not, not even that for me because it, 'cause it's goofy and
• 1:01:16
  stupid and you, like, you, if you watch it in the right circumstances,
• 1:01:20
  it's, you can have fun watching that.
• 1:01:22
  It's not good.
• 1:01:25
  Kearns: mescaline.
• 1:01:25
  If
• 1:01:28
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:01:29
  Kearns: you
• 1:01:29
  Ryan: Ooh.
• 1:01:30
  Jon: Maybe,
• 1:01:31
  Kearns: it under
• 1:01:31
  Jon: maybe.
• 1:01:31
  Kearns: circumstance, you know what I mean?
• 1:01:33
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Kearns: yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Jon: The right circumstance, the right people, the right whatever.
• 1:01:37
  Like, you can have a… The, I'm, I'm tr- I wouldn't give, uh, The
• 1:01:42
  Room's not a one star for me.
• 1:01:44
  I love The Room.
• 1:01:45
  I love that stupid movie
• 1:01:47
  Kearns: Is that it for reviews or we have more?
• 1:01:49
  Jon: Well, that's, that's it for our reviews.
• 1:01:51
  What about you guys?
• 1:01:52
  Kearns: Well, we already know Ryan, so might as well start with you
• 1:01:55
  Ryan: Well, uh, it's, it's a 3.5.
• 1:01:57
  It's a 3.5 star, and the reason why is 'cause it doesn't does a
• 1:02:03
  nice homage to what in the past, but it doesn't reach that level.
• 1:02:09
  It's not Bruce Campbell.
• 1:02:10
  It's not Sam Raimi.
• 1:02:12
  I think of Evil Dead, I think of Ash, I think of Raimi, I think of
• 1:02:18
  this, the craziness, the zaniness, like, the laughs and the scares.
• 1:02:24
  This movie did a great job of scaring the crap out of me, it does
• 1:02:28
  have that cover of an Evil Dead.
• 1:02:30
  You see it throughout its veins.
• 1:02:33
  It just went straight horror.
• 1:02:36
  And compared to the 2013 version, I think they did a better, adaptation this time
• 1:02:43
  around than they did of that because I feel like this one brought a resurgence
• 1:02:47
  back to the franchise, the 2013 one kinda, like, started rumblings and then it just
• 1:02:54
  dropped dead because it was too dark
• 1:02:59
  Kearns: Okay.
• 1:02:59
  Jon: Okay
• 1:03:00
  Kearns: I added a lower number, initially, and then I take into account just
• 1:03:04
  how much effort they put into making it scary, and it is a scary movie.
• 1:03:09
  so I gave it a three, solid three just for that reason alone.
• 1:03:13
  I don't try… I try not to let bias come in for my love of the original
• 1:03:16
  trilogy and things like that.
• 1:03:18
  I know what they were trying to do.
• 1:03:19
  I know what they pulled off and what they didn't.
• 1:03:22
  I just think it's a solid three all around
• 1:03:24
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:03:26
  And I'm gonna wind up right in between you guys.
• 1:03:29
  I'm, I'm going 3.25.
• 1:03:31
  Ryan: aren't
• 1:03:32
  Jon: And we're… Yeah.
• 1:03:34
  Uh, let me fluff them.
• 1:03:35
  Um
• 1:03:38
  They, like, there are things that I find to be very effective.
• 1:03:43
  There's some good scares in here, the makeup, the effects work.
• 1:03:49
  But again, like, you s- like, I, I go back to, my feelings about
• 1:03:54
  the Dawn of the Dead remake.
• 1:03:55
  It's the same with this.
• 1:03:56
  This i- to m- this isn't my Evil Dead.
• 1:04:00
  if you love those movies, if you love the remake of Dawn of the Dead, that's fine.
• 1:04:04
  It's not my Dawn of the Dead.
• 1:04:06
  If you love Evil Dead Rise, good.
• 1:04:09
  I'm glad, like, I'm glad people are finding things they like in horror.
• 1:04:15
  It, you know, Evil Dead Rise is fine.
• 1:04:18
  It's a serviceable movie for me.
• 1:04:20
  It's not anything more, though
• 1:04:23
  Kearns: Fair enough.
• 1:04:24
  there you have it, everybody.
• 1:04:25
  That's Evil Dead Rise.
• 1:04:26
  We're gonna get into our top fives right now.
• 1:04:28
  Ryan: Yeah, we are.
• 1:04:29
  And I'm flipping it
• 1:04:31
  Jon: Right meow
• 1:04:32
  Ryan: meow.
• 1:04:33
  Did anyone say
• 1:04:34
  Jon: Don't, don't, don't f- don't flip anything up.
• 1:04:39
  Ryan: What do you
• 1:04:39
  Jon: Just do your top five.
• 1:04:40
  Nothing flipped up, sir.
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  Ryan: But I'm changing it up
• 1:04:44
  Jon: flip that back down.
• 1:04:45
  Ryan: I'm changing it up a little
• 1:04:46
  Jon: Flip that back down.
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  Ryan: It's,
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  Jon: Nope.
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  Nope.
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  Nah.
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  Top five
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  Kearns: Oh, boy
• 1:04:53
  Ryan: I'm going top five, worst from best, I'm ranking Evil Dead movies tonight.
• 1:04:59
  Kearns: Okay
• 1:05:00
  Ryan: The- and we're starting off with the worst.
• 1:05:03
  That's Evil Dead 2013.
• 1:05:05
  That's why I keep bringing it up.
• 1:05:07
  and sat in theaters, was very hopeful.
• 1:05:10
  I was like, "All right, this is Evil Dead. Let's rock it. They're gonna bring the
• 1:05:14
  series back." And it doesn't hit the mark.
• 1:05:18
  I feel like they went too dark.
• 1:05:20
  I get similar premise to the first one.
• 1:05:23
  It's supposed to be a remake, it's just too dark, and you miss that point
• 1:05:28
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:05:28
  Ryan: Dead is.
• 1:05:29
  Like, even though the original one is dark, still have, like, lighter moments
• 1:05:34
  in there, and I think that's because of the practical effects and that
• 1:05:36
  it's also college students filming it.
• 1:05:40
  They're having a
• 1:05:40
  Jon: And they,
• 1:05:41
  Ryan: it, and you see it
• 1:05:42
  Jon: they, they offed a dog
• 1:05:45
  Ryan: Yeah,
• 1:05:45
  Jon: in 2013.
• 1:05:47
  Like, the, the automatic, automatic points, point deduction.
• 1:05:52
  Ryan: That was
• 1:05:52
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 1:05:53
  Ryan: Imagine sitting in the theater and that happens and everyone just goes hush.
• 1:05:57
  And like,
• 1:05:58
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:05:59
  Ryan: we have like another 50, 40 minutes left of the film."
• 1:06:02
  Jon: Yeah, like it's not near the end.
• 1:06:05
  Ryan: it's right at the
• 1:06:05
  Jon: You know, there's still a ways to go
• 1:06:08
  Ryan: Uh, it, I mean, yeah, cool scenes.
• 1:06:10
  I love the, the raining blood.
• 1:06:12
  But other than that, the worst.
• 1:06:14
  And that goes to number four.
• 1:06:16
  We talked about it tonight.
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  That's Evil Dead Rise.
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  It's right there at the number four.
• 1:06:20
  I, I can't, you know, maybe it'll stay.
• 1:06:23
  It's never gonna go up.
• 1:06:25
  I wanna see Burn before I can make an assumption on that,
• 1:06:28
  Which goes to number three.
• 1:06:30
  That's the original Evil Dead.
• 1:06:32
  It's right in the middle because it started it, but it was kinda getting
• 1:06:35
  its grou- that groundwork, you know?
• 1:06:38
  It was the beginning and you can see it developing.
• 1:06:41
  And that goes to number two, where I feel is the real start of the Evil
• 1:06:46
  Dead of, as we know it, and that's Evil Dead II, original requel.
• 1:06:51
  'Cause yeah, it starts off right at the end of the first one, but they
• 1:06:55
  retcon the first one because of legal rights and all that with Sam
• 1:06:59
  Raimi and not owning the first one.
• 1:07:02
  So the best thing he did is do a requel, and it leads to one of
• 1:07:06
  the best Evil Dead movies of all time, and that's Army of Darkness.
• 1:07:11
  Hail to the king, baby.
• 1:07:12
  Boom stick, chainsaws.
• 1:07:14
  Kearns: I have the best one for catchphrases
• 1:07:16
  Ryan: Oh, God.
• 1:07:16
  I, you know, as a kid, like my uncle would tell me, "If you have to watch
• 1:07:21
  any of the Evil Deads, just start with Army of Darkness." And that would…
• 1:07:25
  Kearns: still
• 1:07:27
  Ryan: It's so good.
• 1:07:28
  And that's like kinda like is the movie that really, definitely like Evil Dead
• 1:07:33
  starts it, Evil Dead II picks up steam, and then Army of Darkness makes it a
• 1:07:38
  sensation to what we know it is today
• 1:07:41
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:44
  Kearns: Fair
• 1:07:45
  Ryan: So, so that
• 1:07:46
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  Kearns: Right
• 1:07:47
  Jon: Yeah
• 1:07:48
  Kearns: All right.
• 1:07:49
  Cool, cool concept for the top five too.
• 1:07:51
  Ryan: See?
• 1:07:51
  Kearns: to best.
• 1:07:52
  Ryan: You guys liked it
• 1:07:53
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:53
  Kearns: We did.
• 1:07:54
  I loved how long it took you too.
• 1:07:56
  It was like your fastest top five ever.
• 1:07:58
  Ryan: prepared.
• 1:07:59
  Kearns: part.
• 1:07:59
  Nice.
• 1:08:00
  Jon: me plenty of room to spread out.
• 1:08:02
  Kearns: All right,
• 1:08:03
  Ryan: Go John
• 1:08:04
  Kearns: what you're gonna
• 1:08:04
  Jon: Ah.
• 1:08:06
  All right.
• 1:08:07
  So I went with top five, or five other evil books in horror movies.
• 1:08:15
  Kearns: Nice
• 1:08:16
  Jon: Necronomicon makes a lot of appearances on this list anyway, but,
• 1:08:21
  um, so my number five is the movie Evil Speak, and the book is the Libro
• 1:08:26
  Mortis, which is the Book of the Dead.
• 1:08:29
  Um, so a bullied military school cadet, played by the superior Howard, Clint,
• 1:08:37
  Kearns: Hmm.
• 1:08:37
  Jon: stumbles upon a way to make his tormentors pay.
• 1:08:41
  He has found the Book of the Dead, which used to belong to the evil Father Esteban.
• 1:08:47
  Um, so he uses the book and his computer to conjure Satan and take his revenge
• 1:08:55
  Kearns: I just have to plug the other Howard real quick, Cinderella Man.
• 1:08:58
  I watched it again the other day, and oh my God, what a masterpiece that movie is.
• 1:09:02
  Ron Howard-directed masterpiece.
• 1:09:05
  So
• 1:09:05
  Jon: No, Ron,
• 1:09:06
  Kearns: a nod
• 1:09:07
  Jon: Ron Howard has made a lot of good movies.
• 1:09:09
  I like…
• 1:09:09
  Ryan: yes.
• 1:09:10
  Jon: there's something about Clint.
• 1:09:11
  Clint is m- Clint is my guy
• 1:09:13
  Ryan: The ice cream man
• 1:09:16
  Jon: Ice cream man ticks
• 1:09:19
  Kearns: Yeah, Clint's been in a lot of great
• 1:09:21
  Ryan: Seinfeld.
• 1:09:23
  Kearns: Adam Sandler movies too.
• 1:09:24
  Jon: Mm-hmm
• 1:09:25
  Ryan: yeah
• 1:09:25
  Kearns: your, what's your four or your next one?
• 1:09:28
  Jon: my number four, we're gonna go to the Necronomicon, and it appears
• 1:09:32
  in Night of the Demons Part II.
• 1:09:36
  Ryan: Ooh.
• 1:09:37
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:09:38
  Ryan: the
• 1:09:38
  Jon: Six years after the horror… Oh, I'm gonna tell you.
• 1:09:42
  Six years after the horrors of Hull House, Angela's body
• 1:09:46
  has still not been recovered.
• 1:09:48
  Her sister, Mouse, is invited to a party at the house
• 1:09:52
  because kids just never learn.
• 1:09:55
  Um, the others try to prank her by reading from the book, and instead they awake a
• 1:10:01
  very angry Angela, um, dooming most of the teen partygoers and repeating history
• 1:10:13
  Kearns: Fair enough.
• 1:10:14
  I like that one.
• 1:10:15
  Forgot that it's in that movie
• 1:10:18
  Jon: Oh, shoot.
• 1:10:19
  We gotta do a little cutting in here because I meant to ask
• 1:10:22
  you how to pronounce something.
• 1:10:25
  E-I-B-O-N
• 1:10:28
  Ryan: E-I-B-O-N.
• 1:10:30
  Ebon?
• 1:10:30
  iPod?
• 1:10:30
  Ebon.
• 1:10:31
  Jon: IBAN,
• 1:10:32
  Ryan: Ebon.
• 1:10:32
  Jon: IBAN,
• 1:10:33
  Kearns: yeah,
• 1:10:33
  Jon: IBAN.
• 1:10:34
  Okay
• 1:10:35
  Kearns: I would do it
• 1:10:35
  Ryan: Ibond
• 1:10:41
  Kearns: Are you waiting for me to look it up?
• 1:10:43
  Jon: I mean, I'm, I am too
• 1:10:44
  Kearns: is both pronunciations seem to work.
• 1:10:47
  It says Ibon rhymes with tie on, so Ibon or Ebon, which is exactly what we said.
• 1:10:53
  Ryan: What's the,
• 1:10:54
  Kearns: nice.
• 1:10:55
  Ryan: what's the background of the movie?
• 1:10:57
  Kearns: gonna, you're gonna
• 1:10:58
  Jon: You're about to get it
• 1:10:59
  Kearns: here,
• 1:10:59
  Ryan: then that would get you your pronunciation
• 1:11:01
  Kearns: question.
• 1:11:04
  Jon: So we're going Eibon or Ebon?
• 1:11:07
  Eibon?
• 1:11:07
  Kearns: I
• 1:11:08
  Ryan: I, I bought, you bought?
• 1:11:09
  Jon: Ebon?
• 1:11:10
  Kearns: whole life
• 1:11:10
  Jon: Ebon.
• 1:11:11
  That, that's how I've always read it, but I wanted to make sure.
• 1:11:14
  I don't do well with pronunciation of words like that.
• 1:11:16
  Okay,
• 1:11:17
  Kearns: That's
• 1:11:18
  Jon: back to list.
• 1:11:20
  So my number three is gonna be the rare appearance of an Italian horror movie,
• 1:11:26
  and it's The Beyond, and the Book of Eibon is the evil book in this one.
• 1:11:32
  Um, so this is the second movie in Lucio Fulci's Gates of Hell
• 1:11:37
  trilogy, and in this one, a woman inherits a Louisiana hotel where many
• 1:11:43
  supernatural accidents have occurred.
• 1:11:46
  Unfortunately for her, the hotel sits atop one of the gates to hell,
• 1:11:51
  which had been opened previously by the reading of the Book of Eibon
• 1:11:57
  Kearns: Um, and Book of Eibon goes all the way back to Lovecraft.
• 1:12:02
  I forget which story though
• 1:12:04
  Ryan: So I do have a
• 1:12:05
  Jon: I do.
• 1:12:06
  And
• 1:12:06
  Kearns: What's your question?
• 1:12:07
  Ryan: How is it connected to Hou-- I'm reading it real quick.
• 1:12:10
  How is it connected to House of the Cemetery?
• 1:12:12
  'Cause I love that film.
• 1:12:14
  Like, how is it, like,
• 1:12:15
  Jon: I,
• 1:12:15
  Ryan: just the theme?
• 1:12:16
  Like when
• 1:12:17
  Jon: it's, it's,
• 1:12:18
  Ryan: his
• 1:12:18
  Jon: it's thematically, it, it's more thematic than direct
• 1:12:25
  Ryan: Fucci's good.
• 1:12:26
  He's really good.
• 1:12:27
  He's a
• 1:12:27
  Jon: Yeah, I like Fulci.
• 1:12:28
  He's a, he d- he's got a lot of… Yep.
• 1:12:32
  Um, so my number two, we go back to the Necronomicon Ex-Mortis, and it's a
• 1:12:39
  movie that's actually come up tonight.
• 1:12:41
  Ryan: Jason
• 1:12:42
  Jon: two is Jason Goes to Hell.
• 1:12:44
  Ryan: Yes
• 1:12:46
  Jon: so Jason returns this time 100% more occult than the previous eight movies.
• 1:12:54
  Ryan: Possession
• 1:12:54
  Jon: now th- now the spirit of Jason can jump bodies and needs to find a member
• 1:13:00
  of his bloodline to be fully resurrected.
• 1:13:04
  And of course, the Necronomicon is required, so it's an
• 1:13:09
  Evil Dead movie, right?
• 1:13:10
  Ryan: There's a connection.
• 1:13:11
  There's a rumor.
• 1:13:13
  There is a rumor with this that Jason is actually a Deadite.
• 1:13:17
  Because you
• 1:13:18
  Jon: Yeah.
• 1:13:19
  I mean
• 1:13:20
  Ryan: how does he tr- like, his heart, he's gotta move his heart get and,
• 1:13:25
  like, put inside the person through the
• 1:13:27
  Jon: You're trying to make, you're trying to make sense of Jason Goes to Hell.
• 1:13:31
  Ryan: Jason, it's Evil Dead
• 1:13:33
  Jon: Ja- Jason Goes to Hell also sets up the Freddy and Jason crossover as
• 1:13:38
  at the end it's a very Freddy-esque bladed glove that pulls Jason to hell
• 1:13:45
  Ryan: Oh, that wa- that was 100% Freddy's glove.
• 1:13:48
  But do you know who
• 1:13:49
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:49
  Ryan: the glove?
• 1:13:51
  Jon: No.
• 1:13:51
  Ryan: Kane Hodder
• 1:13:54
  Jon: Okay.
• 1:13:55
  Ryan: Keanu
• 1:13:56
  Jon: Interesting.
• 1:13:58
  Mm-hmm
• 1:14:00
  Kearns: Technically
• 1:14:02
  Jon: listen, there's no bigger sin in Freddy versus Jason than Jason is not Kane
• 1:14:07
  Hodder, but that's a topic for another time because we have to go to number one.
• 1:14:12
  And my number one, my number one is a twofer.
• 1:14:16
  It- the first one is 1932, the second one is 1999, and it's The Mummy, The
• 1:14:25
  Book of Thoth, and The Book of the Dead.
• 1:14:28
  In both 1932 and 1999, a book sets in motion the return of a vicious mummy,
• 1:14:36
  Imhotep, set on reconnecting with his lost love and destroying anyone in his way.
• 1:14:43
  Whether it's Boris Karloff as a mummy or Brendan Fraser as an
• 1:14:47
  American leading an expedition, you can't go wrong with The Mummy
• 1:14:51
  Ryan: I am so happy you mentioned the 1932 one, 'cause the '32
• 1:14:57
  one doesn't get as much flowers.
• 1:14:58
  I feel the '99 one takes it over because it's more adventure and it does the
• 1:15:04
  story of, I think, a little bit better.
• 1:15:06
  But the
• 1:15:07
  Kearns: Uh, uh, I mean, so many people of our age group loved the '90s one,
• 1:15:11
  Jon: Mm-hmm.
• 1:15:12
  Ryan: of course.
• 1:15:13
  Jon: I mean, the nine
• 1:15:16
  Ryan: you gotta have the '30s one, and then even the Hammer
• 1:15:19
  one, which is a remake of it too
• 1:15:22
  Jon: But, but listen, this, it is kind of a, a losing battle with movies like that.
• 1:15:28
  They're gonna get forgotten.
• 1:15:29
  They're gonna get underrated because
• 1:15:31
  Ryan: Yeah
• 1:15:33
  Jon: who saw, who saw The Mum- the first Mummy in theaters?
• 1:15:39
  Ryan: Oh.
• 1:15:39
  Oh, 99
• 1:15:42
  Jon: No, the 1932.
• 1:15:44
  Who saw that in theaters?
• 1:15:46
  Ryan: Definitely
• 1:15:46
  Jon: can still talk about it?
• 1:15:48
  Kearns: Yeah
• 1:15:49
  Jon: The people who s- who, the people who saw it in theaters,
• 1:15:52
  the youngest is nearing 100
• 1:15:57
  Kearns: Yeah, fair.
• 1:15:58
  Jon: Eh.
• 1:15:59
  So those things just get forgotten because you didn't experience,
• 1:16:02
  experience it firsthand.
• 1:16:04
  We've all experienced 1999 Mummy
• 1:16:07
  Ryan: Yes.
• 1:16:08
  Kearns: As with
• 1:16:09
  Ryan: Hopefully
• 1:16:09
  Kearns: produce other successors and stuff like that, people included, eventually
• 1:16:14
  the things that you leave behind or the thing that makes you special is
• 1:16:18
  seen in those other works later on.
• 1:16:21
  So whatever comes out in 20, you know, 205 that's inspired by The Mummy from
• 1:16:27
  1999, which took its inspiration partially from The Mummy from 1932 or whatever it
• 1:16:33
  was, like you have to keep that in mind 'cause eventually all things lead there
• 1:16:38
  Ryan: But we do have a positive though, because…
• 1:16:41
  Kearns: that was positive
• 1:16:42
  Ryan: Well, no, even more to add to your positive is Gen Z is getting
• 1:16:47
  more into physical copies and a lot of older movies, and they wanna experience
• 1:16:52
  the past more, and they want to, like for people who love film, they wanna
• 1:16:57
  see what's the big buildup of it.
• 1:16:59
  So they're going through the history of film and watching film, and they're
• 1:17:03
  enjoying the older films more than what they're seeing today, and that's
• 1:17:06
  a big positive to add to that positive.
• 1:17:09
  Builds off of it
• 1:17:11
  Jon: I mean, we've, we've talked about it before, some of the
• 1:17:12
  challenges this generation is gonna have with older movies.
• 1:17:12
  The, you
• 1:17:18
  know, the beats are different.
• 1:17:21
  You know, you, why, you, you know, it used to be you'd get the action scene
• 1:17:26
  and then, like, 10 to 15 minutes of, you know, plot, and then the big action scene.
• 1:17:32
  Now that, that's getting compressed 'cause that's the, where the attention spans
• 1:17:37
  are, and you need to keep that together.
• 1:17:38
  We're, you know, right now we're a, a very TikTok society
• 1:17:45
  Kearns: Pressing.
• 1:17:45
  All right, this is gonna wrap up the episode for tonight, everybody.
• 1:17:49
  TikTok, bad.
• 1:17:51
  Evil Dead Rise, good?
• 1:17:54
  Ryan: It's fifty-fifty
• 1:17:55
  Kearns: Yeah, we'll go
• 1:17:56
  Jon: Evil De- Evil Dead Rise is okay
• 1:17:59
  Kearns: All right.
• 1:18:00
  that's it for us tonight, everybody.
• 1:18:01
  We'll see you next week
• 1:18:03
  Ryan: All right, have a good one, guys.
• 1:18:06
  Jon: The year