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Gorgeous Texas Bartender, 21, VANISHES: WHERE IS MADELINE? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: A desperate search is on for a beautiful young, twenty
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  Speaker 2: one year old Texas woman who seemingly disappeared into thin
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  Speaker 2: air without her phone or her car. Where is Madeline?
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us here at Fox Nation in serious XM
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  Speaker 2: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our friends.
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  Speaker 2: A kW ees.
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  Speaker 3: Search continues for a twenty one year old Midland woman,
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  Speaker 3: Madeleine Amaline Panhoa. She was last seen on Wednesday around
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  Speaker 3: eleven PM at seventeen eleven West Francis. There's still no
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  Speaker 3: word on what she was last wearing, but her phone
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  Speaker 3: and car there were left at her apartment. If you
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  Speaker 3: have any information on Madeleine's whereabouts, you can call the
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  Speaker 3: Midland Police Department at four three two six eight seven
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  Speaker 3: to one zero eight.
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  Speaker 4: It's a nightmare for any family having no idea where
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  Speaker 4: your loved one is, and the Pandoha family says they
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  Speaker 4: have no new information on where Madeleine is. Madeleine's father, Roberto,
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  Speaker 4: is just desperate to have his daughter back and safe.
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  Speaker 5: It's something that we don't wish this on anybody. We
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  Speaker 5: never thought this was gonna happen to her family.
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  Speaker 4: Madeline Pandeau Hall was last seen at her apartment complex
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  Speaker 4: on May tenth, Thursday at one thirty.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, I'm taking a look at her right now. She
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  Speaker 2: looks like a beauty queen, and of course that's neither
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  Speaker 2: here nor there. Her life is as valuable as everyone
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  Speaker 2: else is.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm wondering.
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  Speaker 2: Who has seen her, because I would remember this face anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: She's absolutely stunning. Where is Madeleine? I mean it, I'll
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  Speaker 2: start panel to make sense of what we know right now,
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  Speaker 2: but I find it very, very disturbing right off the
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  Speaker 2: top that she's missing without her cell phone. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is a twenty one year old girl and young woman,
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  Speaker 2: and if my children are any example, or basically anybody
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  Speaker 2: I know, and that includes all three of you sitting
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  Speaker 2: here in the studio, nobody goes anywhere without their cell phone.
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  Speaker 2: Before I go to our investigative reporter joining us from
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  Speaker 2: km I, D TV and Odessa, that would be Rachel Hallam,
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  Speaker 2: I want.
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  Speaker 6: To go straight to Carla.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Carla Manley, clinical psychologists, author of Date Smart. Doctor Carla,
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  Speaker 2: it's great to have you with us, and guys, you
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  Speaker 2: can find her at doctor carlamanly dot com. Doctor Carla.
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  Speaker 2: It's like our cell phones are an appendage. I often
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  Speaker 2: think of I'm sure you've seen or read Harry Potters.
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  Speaker 2: They ever go anywhere without their wand ever it's their lifeline.
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  Speaker 6: Same thing with the phone. My children take their phone everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: If they're in the back of the house and they
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  Speaker 2: come up to the front for a glass of milk,
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  Speaker 2: they bring their phone. I'm like, what do you think
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  Speaker 2: is going to happen? You're gonna get a call from
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  Speaker 2: the White House? Why do you have to have your
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  Speaker 2: phone with you at all times? But I really, you know,
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  Speaker 2: don't have a leg to stand on. I do the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. That is, I'm leading up to a point
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  Speaker 2: rather circuitously. I find it disturbed me she doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: her phone, and that tells me she has been taken
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  Speaker 2: against her will.
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  Speaker 7: Absolutely, our cell phones, for so many of us had
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  Speaker 7: become a security blanket. So if she'd left her home
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  Speaker 7: without her cell phone, either she left who knows, maybe
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  Speaker 7: just for a minute and intended to go back. But
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  Speaker 7: to leave your home for what over a week now,
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  Speaker 7: and to not have your cell phone, that is really
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  Speaker 7: it is.
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  Speaker 2: Fine let's go straight to Rachel Hallam, investigative reporter km
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  Speaker 2: I DTV Odessa. Rachel, thank you so much for being
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  Speaker 2: with us. Tell me where was her car and set?
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  Speaker 2: Where were her car and cell phone found?
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  Speaker 8: So, I mean, what we've been told is that her
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  Speaker 8: car and cell phone were at her apartment. Her cell
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  Speaker 8: phone was in her in her apartment off of West
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  Speaker 8: Francis in Midland. Now, it does seem that this apartment
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  Speaker 8: complex itself is pretty isolated.
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  Speaker 6: It is a good.
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  Speaker 8: Distance from downtown Midland, about five minutes. I know that
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  Speaker 8: doesn't seem like a whole lot, but it is a
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  Speaker 8: pretty good chunk of time, and it is connected to
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  Speaker 8: a pretty active street, which is Garfield Street, whereas West
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  Speaker 8: Francis meet Garfield Street. Now it seems like somebody would
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  Speaker 8: have seen it. Somebody could have seen her leave or
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  Speaker 8: be taken. So it's just odd, like you said, and
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  Speaker 8: interesting enough, it's a very active apartment complex itself.
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  Speaker 2: Too, Rachel. I'm glad you said that, guys. Rachel Hall
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  Speaker 2: I'm joining us reporter km I DTV. I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about Midland for a moment. Midland, and of course
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  Speaker 2: we all know, is in Western Texas. It's an oil
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  Speaker 2: industry center. But what is grabbing my attention. It has
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  Speaker 2: a population of one hundred and thirty one thousand, three
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  Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five the last census. In broad terms,
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  Speaker 2: that's a relatively small town. I came from one much
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  Speaker 2: smaller than that.
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  Speaker 6: At the time.
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  Speaker 2: Out in the middle of all you could see are
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  Speaker 2: pine trees and soybean fields. So that's Midland's bigger than
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  Speaker 2: where I came from. But still, when you're thinking about
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  Speaker 2: narrowing down suspects or narrowing down what happened to Madeline,
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about what you said that it's about five
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  Speaker 2: minutes drive, not walk. Five minutes drive from the city center.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Rachel, Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Sam, it's about five minutes driver walk right.
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  Speaker 6: Drive, Okay, So that's significant.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like she got thrown in the car at
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  Speaker 2: a red light a busy intersection in downtown Midland.
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  Speaker 6: She is out in a more residential area.
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  Speaker 2: But then also you said the apartment backs up on
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  Speaker 2: a very busy Is it an interstate.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so it connects to Garfield, which connects to I twenty,
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  Speaker 8: Interstate I twenty, and that is a very very active
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  Speaker 8: Interstate right there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I twenty guess all the way across the
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  Speaker 2: country to the eastern seaboard. Okay, let me bring in
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  Speaker 2: Dorian Bond, guys, former Arizona detective, private detective, owner of
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  Speaker 2: Bond Investigations in Dallas, and I'd like to point out
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  Speaker 2: that's the largest African American owned PI firm in the country,
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  Speaker 2: licensed forty two states. Long story short, you can find
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  Speaker 2: them in Bond investigations dot com. Dorian Bond has looked
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  Speaker 2: for people. Let me tell you that the reason I'm
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  Speaker 2: concerned about it, first of all, being a suburban area.
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  Speaker 2: That's good as far as trying to find a suspect
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  Speaker 2: that may have taken her, because it's less likely she's
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  Speaker 2: you know, carjacked and taken or kidnapped, grabbed off a
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  Speaker 2: corner at an intersection, or you know, walking on a
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  Speaker 2: busy street, much less likely in a suburban area.
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  Speaker 6: But backing into I twenty, that's.
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  Speaker 2: A whole nother animal, Dori, and I'll tell you why
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  Speaker 2: this gives me. Okay, I just felt it. It gives
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  Speaker 2: me shivers. I just gotten down my legs. When I
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  Speaker 2: think about Shasta and Dylan GRONI I use them as
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  Speaker 2: the perfect example, Dorian Dorian, that was a little girl
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  Speaker 2: and her little brother up in Cord Delane, Idaho. And
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  Speaker 2: if you look down on an aerial, which I did
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  Speaker 2: from up in the sky, looking down where they were
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  Speaker 2: a kidnapped from their home, you seeing but green. You
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  Speaker 2: don't even see their house, And you think, how did
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  Speaker 2: somebody find these two children to kidnap them? Unless they
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  Speaker 2: were a local. You'd have to be local to find
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  Speaker 2: that place, right wrong. A guy on the interstate, Dorian
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  Speaker 2: was driving by, and he happened to look out from
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  Speaker 2: a certain vantage point and between the trees he saw
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  Speaker 2: shast of the girl on her at her above ground.
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  Speaker 2: Pool went and killed the whole family and took the children,
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  Speaker 2: later killed the little boy Shasta lived. So you're not
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  Speaker 2: safe even in a nice suburban area tucked away in Midland, Texas.
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  Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well, when you're close to an interstate like that,
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  Speaker 9: and yes, you can see middlands close to the border
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  Speaker 9: of Mexico, when they if somebody disappears, the first thing
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  Speaker 9: there you look at is look for their phone.
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  Speaker 6: I don't like that at all.
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  Speaker 2: Close to the border of Mexico. Nothing good is happening there.
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  Speaker 9: Go ahead, Dorian, Yeah, and when the first thing you
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  Speaker 9: look at when you're starting investigations, you look for the
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  Speaker 9: person's phone. The fact that her phone was left there
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  Speaker 9: is going to first teach tell me that it's deliberate.
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  Speaker 9: Then we're going to then we're also go to look
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  Speaker 9: for the try to get a hold of the telephone
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  Speaker 9: company and see if we can get the last few
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  Speaker 9: phone calls, the geolocation of the phone, and maybe the
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  Speaker 9: last few text messages of who she texted, because that's
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  Speaker 9: going to be the key. But the fact that her
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  Speaker 9: phone is still there, it helps us because maybe they
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  Speaker 9: can get access to the phone, maybe her family which
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  Speaker 9: had information that maybe lead to the password on the phone.
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  Speaker 9: But you know, there's always going to be problems going
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  Speaker 9: through Apple trying to get to a phone. It's an iPhone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully somebody can crack it. Like I know everybody
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  Speaker 2: and my family's code to their phone, so somebody should
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  Speaker 2: probably know her code. Guys, joining me right now is
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  Speaker 2: a very special guest. It's one of Madlin's dearest friends.
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  Speaker 2: She showed up at Mallin's apartment when Madelin didn't answer
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  Speaker 2: the Jasmine Hernandez is with us, But first I want
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  Speaker 2: you to hear our friends at crimeonline dot com.
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  Speaker 10: After a night out with friends, Madeline Pentojas stopped responding
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  Speaker 10: to text and phone calls. One of Pentohas's siblings went
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  Speaker 10: to her apartment, but the door was locked and no
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  Speaker 10: one answered. Midland police were called. Officers broke in and
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  Speaker 10: found Pentoha's phone, keys, and her dog inside. Her car
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  Speaker 10: was also still in the parking lot. Information began filtering
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  Speaker 10: in from neighbors who heard arguing from both inside and
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  Speaker 10: outside the apartment and screaming. Around one am, surveillance cameras
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  Speaker 10: caught a pickup truck speeding away from the home.
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  Speaker 2: Was that Madeline? Was she fighting someone off? If so,
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  Speaker 2: why didn't the neighbor call nine to one one? And
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  Speaker 2: what do we know about a mystery truck peeling off?
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  Speaker 2: Could she have been in the truck?
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go straight to Jasmine Hernandez, very dear
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  Speaker 2: friend of Madeline's. Jasmine, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What led you to go over to Madeline's apartment looking
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  Speaker 2: for her?
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  Speaker 11: Hi? Yes, ma'am, So we had some plans that following
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  Speaker 11: day and so she was answering her phone, and I
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  Speaker 11: have her location on my phone, and I noticed about
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  Speaker 11: her location without her apartment all day. And it's very
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  Speaker 11: unlike her to cancel plans, to just not respond. And
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  Speaker 11: she texts me every day, so I know when something's wrong.
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  Speaker 11: I know when I need to show up to make
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  Speaker 11: sure she's okay. So I showed up and sure enough,
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  Speaker 11: she wasn't in there, and the rest of our stuff
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  Speaker 11: was in there.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that was a lot of information, guys. With me
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  Speaker 2: is a very dear friend of Madeline's. For those of
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  Speaker 2: you just joining us, a beautiful young twenty one year
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  Speaker 2: old Texas girl.
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  Speaker 6: Seemingly has vanished into thin air.
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  Speaker 2: If you have any inform about Madeleine Pintoha four three
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  Speaker 2: two six eight five seven one zero eight. Repeat four
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  Speaker 2: to three to two six eight five seven one zero eight,
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  Speaker 2: and with me the dear friend that goes to find
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  Speaker 2: out Madeline's not there. Now, I think you said, Jasmine
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  Speaker 2: that you have her on your location.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am, I do.
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  Speaker 2: What were your plans for the next day, what were
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  Speaker 2: you two going to do?
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  Speaker 11: We were going to swim at her apartment.
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  Speaker 2: So let me understand this. You keep calling her. You
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  Speaker 2: text her, she never responds. You have plans for that day?
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  Speaker 2: About what time of the day did you go over
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  Speaker 2: and find out there's her car? The locator on the
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  Speaker 2: phone says she's in her apartment, but she's not coming
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  Speaker 2: to the door. I want to hear the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: and tell me in slow mo jasmine.
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  Speaker 11: Yes them. So I showed up around six forty five pm,
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  Speaker 11: and I was outside her door for quite a bit
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  Speaker 11: of time, and I actually left at one point and
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  Speaker 11: had a good feelings to go back.
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  Speaker 6: Why did you leave because she wouldn't come to the door.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, I just figured maybe her phone's dead, and maybe
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  Speaker 11: she left her phone here and maybe she looked at
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  Speaker 11: the friends. I don't want to overreact, but then I
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  Speaker 11: don't know. I just had a goat feeling to turn
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  Speaker 11: back around.
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  Speaker 6: Hold on't let me make a note of that. Manmute.
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  Speaker 2: So if your phone has gone dead, everybody here in
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  Speaker 2: the studio google list very quickly. I think I know
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  Speaker 2: the answer, but I'm not sure. If your phone goes dead,
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  Speaker 2: will it still show up on the location tracker? I
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  Speaker 2: think it will show its last location, but I don't
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  Speaker 2: know that. Jack, can you look at that really quickly.
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  Speaker 2: So you think, Okay, your phone's dead, she's gone somewhere,
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  Speaker 2: and then you leave. What made you go back? Jas
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  Speaker 2: And I find that really curious.
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  Speaker 11: I just had a really bad gut feeling, and I
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  Speaker 11: trust my.
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  Speaker 6: Gut when you say that gut feeling. What did it
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  Speaker 6: feel like?
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  Speaker 11: I felt wrong for leaving? I don't know. I felt
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  Speaker 11: like I needed to know that she was at least
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  Speaker 11: okay and she was in there, or if she was
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  Speaker 11: out with a friend. I needed to know. So I
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  Speaker 11: contacted her friends and sure enough they hadn't heard from
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  Speaker 11: here either.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, guess what I was wrong.
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  Speaker 2: If someone's phone dies, their location is no longer trackable.
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  Speaker 2: The phone need to be turned on and connected to
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  Speaker 2: a network in order to be located. If it's turned
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  Speaker 2: off or the battery dies, the phone can no longer
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  Speaker 2: be located. Huh, I want But I guess you could
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  Speaker 2: steal Jackie get the last known location. But now we
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  Speaker 2: know when you're getting somebody's location on a track, or
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  Speaker 2: like I've got my whole family on life through sixty.
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  Speaker 6: I guess when their phone dies, you can't track. But
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  Speaker 6: it does.
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  Speaker 2: Say my daughter's phone goes dead all the time. It says,
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  Speaker 2: last at home at two forty pm. So it does
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  Speaker 2: give you that much, Okay, Jasmine, You know what I
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  Speaker 2: always tell the children. I always say, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: if what you're doing makes you feel bad, or if
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  Speaker 2: you think you're not going to do something and that
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  Speaker 2: makes you feel bad, that means that's the wrong thing
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  Speaker 2: to do. You need to hear your feelings and follow them.
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  Speaker 6: So you leave. Did you go get in your car?
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  Speaker 11: I got in my car. I drove down the street.
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  Speaker 11: I actually called in some food and I never ended
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  Speaker 11: up getting the food. I turned back around and I
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  Speaker 11: went back.
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  Speaker 6: Wow, you are a loyal friend.
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  Speaker 2: So you've been out there, baman on the door, ringing
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  Speaker 2: the doorbell, calling your name, Nobody comes to the door.
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  Speaker 2: You leave, and then you have a second thought, You
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  Speaker 2: go back, and then what happens?
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  Speaker 11: Still no answer to the door. And that's when I
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  Speaker 11: contacted her brother.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, tell me about her apartment, please, Jasmine, can you
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  Speaker 2: see in there? Is it on the second floor? Third floor?
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  Speaker 2: First floor? Can you look in the back door? The
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  Speaker 2: front door doesn't have a balcony. What can you tell me?
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  Speaker 11: Yes, maam, So it is on the third floor, and
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  Speaker 11: she does have a balcony and from her door there's
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  Speaker 11: a little crack and you can see that there is
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  Speaker 11: a light on.
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  Speaker 6: A crack where at the top.
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  Speaker 11: Of the door. Her door's a little lunky, so if
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  Speaker 11: you kind of lean on it, there's a crack at
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  Speaker 11: the top and you can see what at a light's
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  Speaker 11: on orbits off.
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  Speaker 2: So by then you know it's seven seven thirty. Is
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  Speaker 2: it getting dark?
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  Speaker 11: Not quite yet, It gets dark baby around eight nine ish.
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  Speaker 2: But you could see a light was on inside, and
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  Speaker 2: you know her phone is saying it's inside.
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  Speaker 6: And did you see your car?
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  Speaker 11: Her car was there. It was parked in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 6: What kind of car is it.
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  Speaker 11: It's a kind of like a dark blue Mazda.
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  Speaker 2: So then what do you do? You call her brother
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  Speaker 2: and then what happens.
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  Speaker 11: So he joins me and tries to continue knocking on
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  Speaker 11: the door, and we were found by the maintenance man
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  Speaker 11: and he let us in ray wellness check and that's
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  Speaker 11: where we found all of her belongings. Her purse, her phone,
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  Speaker 11: her keys, everything was there. Her phone was between the couch,
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  Speaker 11: her keys and her purse were on her coffee table.
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  Speaker 2: Well, phone was where between the couch, you mean in
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  Speaker 2: the cushions. Yes, the couch cushion down in the cushions. Interesting, well, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I know this sounds like a crazy question, but when
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  Speaker 2: you say the phone was in the cushions, was the
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  Speaker 2: phone on one end of the sofa? Like she had
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  Speaker 2: had her head on a pillow with her phone and
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  Speaker 2: it fell down in there. Where on the sofa was it?
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  Speaker 11: It was like towards the middle of the sofa, between
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  Speaker 11: those cushions.
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  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, phone in the cushions.
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  Speaker 2: Purse, there was the balcony lot.
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  Speaker 11: But she never lost your balcony.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, it was on the third floor.
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  Speaker 2: And the dog was there, right.
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  Speaker 11: The dog was there, dog named Luna.
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  Speaker 2: After you find all of her stuff there, what did
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  Speaker 2: you do, Jasmine?
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  Speaker 11: We immediately got worried, and that's when we called the
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  Speaker 11: Middle of police department and they had came down to
• 17:19
  Speaker 11: start looking for us and figuring out what to do.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Has she ever gone this long without contacting you?
• 17:24
  Speaker 11: No, she's never gone more than a couple hours without
• 17:27
  Speaker 11: contacting me.
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: How long have you known?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Madeline?
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: For?
• 17:30
  Speaker 11: About four and a half years.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: Joining me right now is RV. Miller. You may recognize
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: his name.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: He's a renowned criminal defense attorney with the Miller Firm.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: You can see him on CBS WBBM. He is the
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: legal advisor to The Good Wife and The Good Fight
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: with CBS erv Thank you for being with us.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: Here's the rub. She's twenty one years old.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You don't have to tell anybody you're going anywhere once
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: you are of a majority, and cops will say, well,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean she's missing, And they very often say, oh,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: she's run off with their boyfriend. Some bs like that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: because they know at that age forty one, you don't
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: have to answer to anybody. You can leave without your
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: cell phone. That's not a crime, right earth.
• 18:18
  Speaker 12: It's not a crime, but it's not typical, and that's
• 18:20
  Speaker 12: what the law enforcement agencies look for. What's not typical
• 18:25
  Speaker 12: when you have a missing person and the door is
• 18:28
  Speaker 12: locked and they're not in there. The person is still there,
• 18:31
  Speaker 12: the dog is still there, the car is still there.
• 18:34
  Speaker 12: You know, if I could just comment quickly about the location,
• 18:37
  Speaker 12: there's a big difference between what might happen in the
• 18:41
  Speaker 12: city like Chicago, where I live, and what may happen
• 18:44
  Speaker 12: in the rural area of Middle Texas. You know, in Chicago,
• 18:47
  Speaker 12: on every bridge on the highway. There's license plate readers
• 18:51
  Speaker 12: on doorbells on every block. There's ring doorbells where you
• 18:54
  Speaker 12: can get pictures of what's going on. On street corners.
• 18:58
  Speaker 12: We have police pods with cameras on them to surveil
• 19:01
  Speaker 12: the area. None of that's going to be present in
• 19:03
  Speaker 12: this particular scene that we're talking about today.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: You know what, You're right, it's going to make it
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: much more difficult. The best clue we've got right now
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: is a late night argument. I can't tell Rachel Hallam
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: k M I d joining us out of Odessa. The
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: neighbors that say they heard an argument, did they hear
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a female voice or could they tell?
• 19:25
  Speaker 8: From what I've been told, they could tell if there
• 19:27
  Speaker 8: was a female voice and there was also a male
• 19:30
  Speaker 8: voice they were arguing both outside of the apartment and
• 19:33
  Speaker 8: inside the apartment.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Did they call nine one one?
• 19:36
  Speaker 8: Not? From what I've been told.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Now, the search is on, guys. Take a listen to
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: our cut three. Our friends at k W E S.
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: We've gone to lands over there, just empty lots loicking.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: We've had people that we don't know searching with their drones.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: They've sent them. They sent us the videos they send
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: us pictures of the of the Finnish day took. We've
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: had people offer horses to us so that we can search.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: The family.
• 20:07
  Speaker 13: Just wanting to find Madeline as soon as possible.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: All he wants to find his daughters.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: If you have any information about Madeline's whereabouts, call MPD
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: at four three, two six eight, five, seven one zero eight.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Rachel Hallam joining US investigative reporter km I DTV in Odessa.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Tell me about the search. What is being done to
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: find Madeline?
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, like we just heard, there are so
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: many people in this area and even outside of Midland
• 20:41
  Speaker 8: that are searching themselves. Drones going out, they're going on
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: foot in and out of fields. And I've been in
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: contact with MPD pretty much every day since her disappearance,
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: trying to get some answers. They say that they are
• 20:52
  Speaker 8: actively investigating any leads that they might have and searching themselves.
• 20:56
  Speaker 8: But as of right now, of course, there's there's just
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: no updates.
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I want to go to you, Dorian Bond, as well
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: as IRV Miller, to talk about what should be done
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: right now, what should be happening in the search for
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: this beautiful young woman. Twenty one year old Texas woman
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: Madeline Panchoha. Dorian Dorian Bond joining me, detective private investigator,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: owner of Bond Investigations at in Dallas.
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: What should be happening right now to find her?
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: Well, I'm sure the police have already done this, But
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: the first thing I'm doing is going to interview the
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: neighbors that hurt the arguments, see if there's any kind
• 21:34
  Speaker 9: Sometimes in people in apartment complexes, they have cameras that
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: are pointing outside their windows looking at their cars due
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: to the property thefts in those areas. So I'd check
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: and see if there's any kind of cameras in the area,
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: look for red light cameras, look for local businesses that
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: are close by there that might have cameras to see
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: if they can see any kind of vehicles going in
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: and out and seeing that they can get new licen plates.
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: Ran looking at see if they know if they have
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: license plate camera readers in that area. But that's one
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: of the first things. But like I said before, the
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: first thing is a cell phone, and the cell phone's gone,
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: You've got to move. You got to move to talking
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: to neighbors and what they've heard and what they heard
• 22:12
  Speaker 9: in the in the midst of the argument.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: I'm very curious about ring doorbells.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: What do you know if anything about that, Rachel Hallam
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: joining us km I D because we've had so many
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: breakthroughs and searches from ring doorbells.
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, and even out here, especially that a lot
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: of people have ring doorbells now. I mean, it wouldn't hurt,
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: obviously to see if anybody in that apartment complex had some.
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: We've had a lot of breakthroughs and package sets and
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: pettyfests like that, but I mean, it definitely would be
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: a possibility and a big help if they could have
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: anybody have an eye on.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That, Rachel or Jasmine, what is the name of our
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: apartment complex?
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: It is the Palladium Apartment.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: There in Midland. They are And how big are those apartments? Jasmine?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Do you know how many people would live there?
• 23:01
  Speaker 11: I'm not quite sure, Rachel.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out if they have security cameras
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: at the entry the exit. When you look at the apartment,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: anyone on the panel. Are there multiple entries and exits?
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: There is just the one entrance, and they should have
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: cameras right in the front. It is a pretty big
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: apartment complex, so there should be plenty of residents, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 8: there's a lot of buildings, so there should be some
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: cameras out there.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Also, there's a playground. Is that there a playground at Palladium? Well,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: that tells me that they may very well have cameras.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Have any of you seen a camera there?
• 23:40
  Speaker 11: Yes, they do have cameras where they all over the apartment,
• 23:43
  Speaker 11: but they do not work. We've already contacted the management
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: and they have said that none of them work besides
• 23:48
  Speaker 11: the one entering the apartment to the gates, and that
• 23:52
  Speaker 11: one is only a life seed. It is a save
• 23:54
  Speaker 11: data according to the management.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Is this rachel or Jasmine?
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: This is justin You know what, IRV Miller? Do I
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: have to say the two words Chandra Levy? Did nobody
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: learn a darn thing? Remember when Chandra Levy went missing,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the DC intern from California that was having the affair
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: with the congressman Condit and she disappears.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: We can't find her.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And she left her apartment just before she went missing,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: but they rolled over it, they videoed over it in
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the lobby, so you don't know if she left with somebody,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: if someone had a gun in her bag under a
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: coat did. Was she dressed to go joggings? Was she
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: dressed out to go out to dinner? It would have
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: told us so much. That was the big deal. When
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Chandra Levy went missing she was later found dead. She
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: had gone jogging, and I believe it was Rock Creek Park,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: not far from where she lived. But how much more
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: quickly would we have looked there for her if we
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: could have seen her in her jogging outfit because that
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: was her jogging route, so irv.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Miller, you know what.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: That is a huge, huge blonder for the apartment complex.
• 25:16
  Speaker 12: Oh absolutely, And you know in the case also goes
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: to prove that it's not always the typical suspect it
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: ends up being the bad guy. But the other thing
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: that I would suggest that the police should be doing
• 25:26
  Speaker 12: right away is checking financial accounts of hers to see
• 25:30
  Speaker 12: if there was any suspicious activity on her credit card,
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: to activity on any bank accounts that you use an ATM,
• 25:36
  Speaker 12: and perhaps there's you know, some of these ATM when
• 25:39
  Speaker 12: they're originally used as actually a photograph of the person
• 25:42
  Speaker 12: that is actually using the ATM. Those are things that
• 25:46
  Speaker 12: I think should also be doing rather quickly to try
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: to solve this one.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Are these Poladium apartments on La Mesa Road, Jasmine.
• 25:54
  Speaker 11: No, ma'am, there are two pladium apartments. This one is
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: across from the Horseshoe Arena.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: It is often just yes, yes, yes, yes, yes yes.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: It's amazing to me that they don't have video cams
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: and the ones they do have are only a live feed.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: They search for this young lady goes on. I mean,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: once you look at her, you will never forget her face.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: She is stunning. Guys, take a listen to our cut
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: nineteen our friends from crime online dot Com.
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: It's been eight days since Madeline Panoha disappeared. Pentoha's father
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: says they are searching everywhere. People are using their drones
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: to cover land and empty lots quickly sending the family
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: videos pictures of the footage. The family has also had
• 26:39
  Speaker 10: offers of horses for searches. Madeline Panoha is approximately five
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: feet four inches tall and one hundred and thirty pounds,
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: with long, dark hair. She has two butterfly tattoos behind
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: her right ear and a tattoo of a snake on
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: her right arm.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, that is helpful. That's very distinctive. Tell me about
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: the genesis, the regenda. Those tattoos, Jasmine, her Nandez. What
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: did they mean the butterfly tattoos?
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: So she actually has the matching butterfly tattoo with another
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: friend of hers and the snake. She was so anxious
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: to get her first tattoo, she just chose whatever she
• 27:13
  Speaker 11: wanted to at the tattoo shop.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Tell me about her personality, Jasmine, She's really bubbly.
• 27:18
  Speaker 11: She's such a girl's girl. She's so sweet. It's honestly
• 27:22
  Speaker 11: really disappointing that all of this happened to her. She
• 27:24
  Speaker 11: really doesn't deserve any of this.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: What does she do for a living, Jasmine?
• 27:27
  Speaker 11: So she actually works with me. We bartend at Clear
• 27:31
  Speaker 11: Springs Cafe and we work there together.
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Dorian Bond.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: That opens up a whole cornucopia of possibilities, a real
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Pandora's box. How do we know that someone didn't spot
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: her as a bartender, follow her, stalk her, get obsessed
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: with her. It happens a lot, Dorian.
• 27:53
  Speaker 9: It does happen a lot. And I know a lot
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: of bars have implemented that when the bartenders do lead
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: that somebody usually security walks them to the car. But
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: not only walks them to the car, but they also
• 28:04
  Speaker 9: watch to make sure if any vehicles follow them before
• 28:07
  Speaker 9: they leave, and see exactly if how many vehicles departed
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: the area right when the bartenders left, because that's an
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: extra layer of security. Because that's the one problem that
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: we've started noticing a lot of people go to bars
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: and they fall in love with the bartender because barts
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: being nice, which usually bartenders are nice because they're looking
• 28:24
  Speaker 9: for a tip, and so some people take that niceness
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: the wrong way and then they fall them home and
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: do have problems like that across the country.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Carl and Manly, clinical psychologist, author
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: of Date Smart, Transform Your Relationships and Love Fearlessly. Doctor Carl,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Ever know, I can't
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: tell you how many cases that I have personally investigated
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: where a woman works at a restaurant, a bar, as
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the hostess at even upscale restaurants. It's not limited to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: any particular echelon women that work at hotels or in
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: really in any people industry where you have to meet
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: people as part of your job, and there's always a
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: weirdo out there.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: There always is.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I don't care if you're at the Ritz Carlton, or
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: if you're at the worst bar in town, there's always
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: going to be a weirdo that locks in on you,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Doctor Carla.
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And when you're in a public facing position like
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: being a bartender, it is so difficult because then there's
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: the added element where people, some people who don't have
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: very high emotional intelligence. You are also a commodity and
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: that can be a real draw for someone who isn't a.
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: Found mental health.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: The family is suffering. Take a listen to our cut
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: nine our friends at ABC, most.
• 30:14
  Speaker 13: Would not expect this to happen to someone they love,
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: and for friends and family of Madeline, that is exactly
• 30:20
  Speaker 13: the case.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Just you was so loving and like goofy carrying.
• 30:25
  Speaker 14: It was like who would have thought anyone could hurt
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: thinks such as sweet fool like that.
• 30:30
  Speaker 13: Overall, they just hope that if she is watching, they
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: have so much they want her to know.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Please, don't like yourself, are your cream, You always be
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: real and no matter what what you're trying, there's.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: So many people looking for you. There's so many people
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: that just wants you.
• 30:46
  Speaker 14: Bet you're not alone and not going to stop looking
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: to We have a response.
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: We will find you.
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: We will give.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Up and our cut twenty our friends at New's West nine.
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: The days have just been all mush together, honestly because.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: We've just been doing the same thing.
• 31:05
  Speaker 15: We've just been reaching out to whoever we can reach
• 31:08
  Speaker 15: out to, looking in the lands, fields and everywhere we
• 31:13
  Speaker 15: can look for her.
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: So I have the best word right now. It's just
• 31:17
  Speaker 14: heartbroken because we feel hopeless. There's nothing that we can do,
• 31:21
  Speaker 14: like a side of our hands and be searched everywhere.
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: We passed out fires everywhere. If you're watching this, Maddie,
• 31:31
  Speaker 15: just be strong. We're coming to get you and we're
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: trying our hardest to find you. Just stay strong and
• 31:40
  Speaker 15: we will stay strong too.
• 31:42
  Speaker 14: We just hope that you're safe and you're alive, and
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: that at the end of this year, at the end
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: of this you're the light at the end of the
• 31:50
  Speaker 14: funnel after all of this, and we won't stop searching ever.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Family and friends doing everything they can to help police
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: flow missing mattline Rachel Howim joining US investigative reporter Kmida,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: who's been on the story from the very beginning, and.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: That's gotten to be a horrible, horrible.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Scenario for her friends out digging through landfills trying to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: find her. What can you tell me about the identity
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: of the man we believe was having an argument around
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: one am that morning at her or near her apartment.
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so what I've.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: Been told is that he was an ex boyfriend of
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: Madeline and they were having an argument, like we had mentioned,
• 32:37
  Speaker 8: outside of their apartment and inside their apartment. They had
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: been living together for a while but recently had broken up,
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: and he still had a key to her apartment and
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: told friends that he didn't have a key, but that
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: they told me that they knew he had a key,
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: and he was probably one of the only options about
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: only options to get into her apartment. Luckily the maintenance
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: and we had talked about help them get in there,
• 33:02
  Speaker 8: but they know that he had a key to her apartment.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Still, Jas and Hernandez, how long had they been broken up?
• 33:08
  Speaker 11: I want to say for about a month.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Let me guess she broke up with him, yes, ma'am.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Was he angry about the breakup, yes.
• 33:16
  Speaker 11: Bam, more so upset and sad, just trying to get
• 33:20
  Speaker 11: her back any way he.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Could, really, any way he could, like what was he
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: doing to try to get her back?
• 33:26
  Speaker 11: Sometimes he would just send flowers to her apartit randomly,
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: but she would continually say that she did not want
• 33:31
  Speaker 11: to get back with him and that she was better
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: off by herself.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: Why did she break up with him?
• 33:35
  Speaker 11: Honestly, he just wasn't very good of a person in
• 33:39
  Speaker 11: set and out. He just wasn't very very good and
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: she deserved more than what he had to offer her.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you mean? Did he neglect her? Was
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: he rude to her? Was he abusive to her? Why
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: did she break up with him? What does she tell
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: you as to why she broke up?
• 33:53
  Speaker 11: She told me that he cheated on her with someone, So, yeah,
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: that's the reason for the breakup. She didn't really go
• 33:59
  Speaker 11: into detail, but we.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Don't know that that's true or whether she thought that
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: it happened and it did or did not happen. But
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: that's the reason she gave for breaking up, you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: IRV Miller, the fact that she was in the midst
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: of an argument with the boyfriend, an ex boyfriend that
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: she had broken up with, is very disturbing.
• 34:20
  Speaker 12: Well, it's very disturbing, and it's a typical scenario that
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: could lead to the end of a relationship, and in
• 34:29
  Speaker 12: that very good manner. Hopefully that's not true in this
• 34:31
  Speaker 12: particular case, but it's certainly a focus for the police
• 34:35
  Speaker 12: to start looking at this person as a politential suspect.
• 34:39
  Speaker 12: I a would imagine at this point in time that
• 34:41
  Speaker 12: the police have attempted to gain access through whatever phone
• 34:45
  Speaker 12: company cell phone company he has to try to get
• 34:49
  Speaker 12: a little information off of where he's been in the
• 34:52
  Speaker 12: hours and days after she was discovered missing, and trying
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: to eventually get a hold of his cell phone to
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: get that GPS information that is always very helpful that
• 35:03
  Speaker 12: you're a cell phone collects for everybody.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, IRV Miller, and whether he is or is not
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: a person of interest, he still needs to be pained
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: all of his movements. Rachel Hollum, was he absolutely identified
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: as the person arguing at her home?
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: I now know, I mean, there's just a lot of
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: rumors that are going around social media. I know that
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: his name is kind of being dragged around as well,
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: But we have no confirmation from police of any sort
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: of identification for the person arguing with Madeline.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: So it may or may not have been him.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Quick question, Jasmine Hernandez, did Madelon have a ring, doorbell
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: or any kind of security video.
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: At her home.
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: No, ma'am, she did not have.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Any rachel or Jasmine. Do we know if the ex
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: is cooperating with police?
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: From what I've seen, he is not.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well that's not a good sign, but it is
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: not completely probative either.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: So Doria Bond, well, i'd look at it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: We're gonna have to track him down, look at his
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: cell phone. We're going to have to talk to family members,
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: see where exactly he has been looking at to see
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: if he's got a passport, has he been back and
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: forth to Mexico. There's lots of different steps. I'm sure
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: they're probably pursuing. It's just once he gets into the mix,
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: that's a whole different story in and my main thing
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: is talking to his friends, and then I'm tracking his
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: cell phone right.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Now, absolutely, And you don't need him to cooperate to
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: track his cell phone or to find his friends, or
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: to put him under surveillance or to put a GPS
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: tracker on his car. I hope he hears this and cooperates.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: If you love her and you want her back, now
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: it's time to prove it. Tip line is four three,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: two six eight five seven one.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: Zero eight, where is Maddie. Goodbye friend,