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'FRIENDS' STAR MATTHEW PERRY SUSPECT KILLER DOCTOR ESCAPES JAIL TIME IN HOLLYWOOD FIASCO · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, it never ends with Hollywood justice.
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Perry, the star of the iconic Friends series, dead
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  Speaker 1: in his hot tub because of doctors and enablers.
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  Speaker 2: That allowed him to die.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, he bears some responsibility to we know that, but
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  Speaker 1: what about the others that let it happen, that made
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  Speaker 1: it happen?
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  Speaker 2: They are skating justice?
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  Speaker 1: Is it because they're rich, high profile or just part
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  Speaker 1: of the Hollywood MAYLEEU. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: In the Last Days, Matthew Perry's Ketemen doctor skates escapes
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  Speaker 1: jail and a shock ruling as the court hears how
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  Speaker 1: he is driving Uber for a living.
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  Speaker 2: So good.
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  Speaker 1: That is a blessing to him to drive Uber for
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  Speaker 1: a living. He should be mopping floors in the penitentiary.
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead because of him, and I wonder
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  Speaker 1: how many other people he prescribed. Kettymine two, one of
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  Speaker 1: the doctors caught up in the criminal fallout surrounding the
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  Speaker 1: Friends legend. Matthew Perry's Kennymine death some would call it
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  Speaker 1: a murder, has avoided a jail time. What actually happened
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  Speaker 1: to Matthew Perry. Let me start with the nine to
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  Speaker 1: one one call.
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  Speaker 2: Listen three give.
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  Speaker 3: Us signs and radio in part of the drowning across
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  Speaker 3: a few twey three give us sign.
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  Speaker 1: You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear that one more time.
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  Speaker 4: Said twenty three give us signal and radio in front
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  Speaker 4: of the drowning across the.
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  Speaker 3: Tweeny three give us sign.
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  Speaker 1: Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear
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  Speaker 1: numbers across a police ban or on an ems.
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  Speaker 2: That are specific to that region.
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  Speaker 1: But what I'm hearing that really jumps out at me
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  Speaker 1: as response to the drowning. So at the beginning, it
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  Speaker 1: was believed that the friends start died of drowning because
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  Speaker 1: that's what was reported to them. But what do we
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  Speaker 1: really know? Take to listen to our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 5: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
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  Speaker 5: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
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  Speaker 5: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
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  Speaker 5: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
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  Speaker 5: use disorder, the manner of death has been ruled an accident.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why
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  Speaker 1: the medical examiners and everybody at the crime lab would
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  Speaker 1: go hide under their desk when they saw my beat
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  Speaker 1: up Honda pulling up, because they knew I was going
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  Speaker 1: to go through it line by line literally to make
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  Speaker 1: sense of what they wrote down in their scientific findings.
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  Speaker 1: What acute effects of ketamine, Other contributing factors were drowning,
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  Speaker 1: coronary artery disease, prefer blue blue used to treat opioid disorder,
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  Speaker 1: manner of death, accident. There's so much there. I could
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  Speaker 1: do a whole flow chart on that to try to
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  Speaker 1: explain all that to a jury. Luckily we have experts
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  Speaker 1: with us. But first I'm going to go to a
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  Speaker 1: special guest joining us, Miguel Melendez, joining us, senior writer
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  Speaker 1: for Entertainment tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Miguel, what a pleasure to have you on. Man.
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  Speaker 1: This sent shock waves through not only Hollywood but.
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  Speaker 2: Across our country.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm going to follow this up with our shrink,
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  Speaker 1: Karen Stark. We think we know Matthew Perry. Why because
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  Speaker 1: we've seen him on the big screen. We've seen him
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  Speaker 1: on the little screen. We follow him in the tabloids.
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  Speaker 1: We think we know him and about his life. We've
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  Speaker 1: been following his struggle with addiction, and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people can identify with that. If you haven't had that
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  Speaker 1: struggle in somebody, you know somebody close to you.
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  Speaker 2: Has had that struggle.
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  Speaker 1: So Matthew Perry was kind of like every man that
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  Speaker 1: was struggling with a lot. But to you, Miguel Melendez,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go before I get into Matthew Perry
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  Speaker 1: himself and how it ended up this way, I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you about what happened, what surrounded the
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  Speaker 1: discovery of Matthew Perry dead in a hot tub leading
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  Speaker 1: up to that. Tell me about the discovery and what
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  Speaker 1: came out at the time that he was first discovered
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  Speaker 1: dead in the hot tub.
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  Speaker 6: Right, So, what we know of the timeline is that
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  Speaker 6: at eleven am, Matthew had played pickleball. At one thirty
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  Speaker 6: seven PM is when Matthew was last known to be
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  Speaker 6: alive by his personal living assistant to live with him
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  Speaker 6: in the Pacific Policy Home. He was off to run errands.
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  Speaker 6: At one thirty seven pm. The living assistant returned home
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  Speaker 6: and found Matthew floating face down in the jacuzzi. The
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  Speaker 6: assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the sitting
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  Speaker 6: position on the steps of the pool, and found him
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  Speaker 6: by the way on the heated.
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  Speaker 7: Side of the pool.
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  Speaker 8: Called nine one one.
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  Speaker 6: Paramedics arrived and they moved and they pulled Matthew out
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  Speaker 6: of the pus.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information
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  Speaker 1: so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate because Miguel,
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  Speaker 1: you know I like to dissect every single sentence, and
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  Speaker 1: I loved everything you just said as far as factually
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  Speaker 1: what I'm learning.
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  Speaker 2: Could you say it again a very slowly? Okay? Did
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  Speaker 2: you say the living assistant found him?
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  Speaker 9: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live in assistant?
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  Speaker 8: That I can answer you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know the exact circumstances of what led to that.
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  Speaker 6: I do know that the living assistant, based on this report,
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  Speaker 6: is that he administered the detox drugs on Matthew twice
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  Speaker 6: a day.
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  Speaker 1: That's important, Miguel Melendez, Hold on, Miguel, hold the thought
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  Speaker 1: guys with me. He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight.
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  Speaker 1: You all know him, Miguel Melendez, giving us everything we
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  Speaker 1: need to know to analyze this drug ketamine that claimed
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  Speaker 1: the life of Matthew Perry. Karen el start joining me,
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  Speaker 1: renowned TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen
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  Speaker 1: with the c if you're trying to find her, Karen, So,
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  Speaker 1: is it like a minder.
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  Speaker 2: You have with AA that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they call it a minder. They call
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  Speaker 1: it something else, someone that takes in on you. It's
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  Speaker 1: like your partner, your buddy, that kind of that's who
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  Speaker 1: you call when you have a problem or you're going
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  Speaker 1: to relapse. Is that what you think is happening here?
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  Speaker 1: He had somebody to help him.
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  Speaker 10: It's called a sponsor. And his assistant she was his sponsor.
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  Speaker 10: She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she
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  Speaker 10: was there. She could not stop him from taking something,
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  Speaker 10: but certainly was trying. That was her role to make
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  Speaker 10: sure that he was on the straight and narrow and
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  Speaker 10: sticking to his determination to stop. And he was very
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  Speaker 10: open about it. But he really did want to stop
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  Speaker 10: taking drugs recreationally.
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  Speaker 1: He really did, and he made no secret about it.
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  Speaker 1: What led up to that moment Miguel Melndez is describing.
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  Speaker 1: But first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant
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  Speaker 1: comes in, You.
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  Speaker 2: Said he was the heater end of the hot tub.
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  Speaker 8: Correct.
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  Speaker 6: So at four pm, the living as system walks in
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  Speaker 6: from running errands finds Matthew Perry floating space down in
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  Speaker 6: the jacuzi in the heated end.
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  Speaker 11: Of the pool.
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  Speaker 6: The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the
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  Speaker 6: sitting position on the steps of.
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  Speaker 7: The pool, and called nine one one.
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  Speaker 6: Paramedics soon arrived, pulled Matthew out of the pool onto
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  Speaker 6: the grass, where he was pronounced that at the scene,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think I had.
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  Speaker 1: It bass Akwar's Migam Melndez I was saying hot tub
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  Speaker 1: because I've read jacuzie. But was the jacuzi or the hot.
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  Speaker 2: Tub part of the pool? Was he in a pool
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  Speaker 2: or was he in a hot tub or jacuzi?
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  Speaker 6: It looked like it was a long pool that has
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  Speaker 6: a jacuzi, and then if they're not two separate Okay, that.
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  Speaker 1: Makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up to this moment?
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
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  Speaker 5: Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a
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  Speaker 5: game of pickleball with friends around eleven am. Perry returned
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  Speaker 5: to his home after the game and was seen by
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  Speaker 5: his assistant, who was leaving the house to run errands
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  Speaker 5: at one thirty seven pm. At four o'clock PM, the
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  Speaker 5: assistant returned to the home. Investigator Jennifer Hertzog says the
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  Speaker 5: assistant found Perry floating face down in the heated end
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  Speaker 5: of the pool. The assistant jumped into the pool and
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  Speaker 5: moved him into a sitting position on the steps and
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  Speaker 5: called nine to one one. Paramedics responded, pulled Perry out
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  Speaker 5: of the pool and onto the grass, and pronounced him
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  Speaker 5: dead on the scene at four seventeen PM. His stepfather,
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  Speaker 5: Keith Morrison is listed as the informant, which means the
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  Speaker 5: dateline host is who identified Perry to authorities.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness that mus is so horrible on the
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  Speaker 1: stepfather to have to do that after the struggle he
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  Speaker 1: Matthew Perry went through so publicly against substance abuse. Mike
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  Speaker 1: McCormick joining me out of LA owner lead investing at
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  Speaker 1: her MCM investigations.
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  Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very curious Matthew Perry had been so open and
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  Speaker 1: public about his battle with addiction. Who I mean, even
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  Speaker 1: I know about that two thousand miles away, who would
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  Speaker 1: be supplying him drugs, ketamine and all the other things
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  Speaker 1: in his system.
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  Speaker 7: It was either prescribed to him that Kennedy was prescribed,
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  Speaker 7: or he's getting it off the street. There's only several
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  Speaker 7: ways of doing it. My understanding is that the from
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  Speaker 7: he's a assistant or past girlfriend miss Edwards that she's
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  Speaker 7: been involved with him off and on from about two
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  Speaker 7: thousand and six, and she used to purchase his drugs
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  Speaker 7: off the street for him. So the kennamine and other
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  Speaker 7: drugs he may have been taken to come from e
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  Speaker 7: their short.
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  Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: When I say he skated of jail, boy, did he?
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  Speaker 1: Mark Chavez, the second of two doctors who are convicted
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  Speaker 1: with in connection to Matthew Perry's death, was sentenced to
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  Speaker 1: just eight months of home confinement, even though he faced
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  Speaker 1: the likelihood of at least ten years behind bars. He
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  Speaker 1: played guilty. There's no question he did it. He played
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  Speaker 1: guilty to one count conspiracy to distribute ketamine. He admits
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  Speaker 1: he fraudulently sold and obtained ketamine to a fellow doctor,
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  Speaker 1: Salvador Placincia.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what does it take.
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  Speaker 1: The man admitted he might as well have held a
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  Speaker 1: gun to Matthew Perry's head and pull the trigger. What
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  Speaker 1: happened that night and Matthew Perry's hot up?
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  Speaker 2: Is that true? I don't know that. Is that true?
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  Speaker 1: And can that be corroborated that an ex girlfriend would
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  Speaker 1: score drugs for him?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know that the girlfriend and the assistant
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  Speaker 6: are the same people. I do know that there was
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  Speaker 6: a girlfriend who was his assistant at one time, and
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  Speaker 6: she has gone on the record and asked that, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the doctors be investigated.
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  Speaker 7: If they were the ones who supplied the ketamine.
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  Speaker 6: Now she's gone on record and said that if that happened,
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  Speaker 6: and then this investigation needs to happen. But whether the
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  Speaker 6: assistant and this ex girlfriend are the same people, it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't seem to indicate that that's what happened based on
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  Speaker 6: the investigation and the details that are in the medical
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  Speaker 6: examiner's report.
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  Speaker 7: The assistant, this is Wendy Patrick.
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  Speaker 12: It looks like the assistant it was living with Matthew
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  Speaker 12: Perry at the time of his death is a man
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  Speaker 12: named Kenny Alamsa right, not the prior, not a prior
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  Speaker 12: girlfriend or a female assistant.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, Wendy Patrick.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, you're hearing California prosecutor and author of Why Bad
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  Speaker 1: Looks Good Wendy Patrick at wendypatrickphd dot com, The Star
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  Speaker 1: of Today with Dr Wendy on KCBQ. I was just
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  Speaker 1: coming to you, Wendy on another point, a legal point,
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  Speaker 1: and that is I saw the trial go down.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember Archie Bunker of All
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  Speaker 2: in the family. Yeah, when his son.
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  Speaker 1: Died of an overdose, he went after the supplier in
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  Speaker 1: the Fulton County courthouse. And I was just wondering, Wendy
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  Speaker 1: about people knowing about his public struggle against addiction.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he wrote about it, he talked about it,
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  Speaker 2: very open about it.
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  Speaker 1: Who would supply someone battling addiction with It's a great
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  Speaker 1: question when you have.
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  Speaker 12: When you're talking about somebody that's supposed to be a confidant,
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  Speaker 12: a sponsor, a helper, a minder. We have all these terminology,
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  Speaker 12: these terms that we use. It's very different than a
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  Speaker 12: Michael Jackson situation where you actually have somebody medically administering
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  Speaker 12: a drug, who would do it? I would have to say, Nancy,
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  Speaker 12: as you and I and our listeners know the same
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  Speaker 12: people that are selling drugs to begin with, maybe somebody
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  Speaker 12: that doesn't know him well enough, or because it was
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  Speaker 12: prescribed lawfully for a medicinal purpose, somebody that honestly, although mistakenly,
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  Speaker 12: thought that he needed it or could handle it in
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  Speaker 12: different doses. You know, ketamine, if it's being as supervised,
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  Speaker 12: is used certainly not very not as often as many
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  Speaker 12: other drugs. But you have to believe whether or not
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  Speaker 12: somebody thought they might be doing him a favor, if
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  Speaker 12: he was depressed, if he was.
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  Speaker 2: Suicidal, they could not have been more wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And if it comes out that we can find a
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  Speaker 1: supplier or someone who aided or a bet at am oh,
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  Speaker 1: wait to just think about this, Wendy Patrick about criminal
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  Speaker 1: charges joining me right now?
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  Speaker 2: Is the expert in this field as far as I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 1: The pre eminent expert, Doctor William Maroney, medical examiner, toxicologist, pathologist,
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  Speaker 1: opioid treatment expert, author of American Narcan, which is on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney, take a listen to what we've learned about
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  Speaker 1: the autopsy.
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  Speaker 5: Matthew Perry's autopsy report doesn't say how or when Perry
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  Speaker 5: used ketamine prior to his death, but the coroner ruled
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  Speaker 5: out the ketamine treatments he had a week and a
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  Speaker 5: half before his death because ketamine has a half life
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  Speaker 5: of three to four hours or less. The report notes,
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  Speaker 5: at the high levels of ketamine found in his post
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  Speaker 5: mortem blood specimens, the main lethal effects would be from
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  Speaker 5: both cardiovascular overstimulation and respiratory depression. Drowning contributes due to
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  Speaker 5: the likelihood of submersion into the pool as he lapsed
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  Speaker 5: into unconsciousness.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not all, doctor Moroni, wait for it. I
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  Speaker 1: would never have imagined this goes into the cocktail.
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  Speaker 5: The autopsy report noted Matthew Perry's history of chronic obstructive
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  Speaker 5: pulmonary disease inmphysema and diabetes. The report mentions Perry's past
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  Speaker 5: drug use, but notes Perry had reportedly been cleaned for
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  Speaker 5: nineteen months. The New York Post reports that in the
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  Speaker 5: autopsy report, a comment is made about Perry undergoing ketamine
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  Speaker 5: infusion therapy, most recently one and a half weeks before
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  Speaker 5: his death. The report states ketamine treatments are for anxiety
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  Speaker 5: and depression, but ketamine in the system couldn't be from
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  Speaker 5: the infusion therapy. Doctor Bankole Johnson, one of the leading
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  Speaker 5: neuroscientists and physicians in the field, tells The New York
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  Speaker 5: Post that ketamine in Perry's system is more likely from
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  Speaker 5: recreational use.
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  Speaker 1: Male hormone testosterone and jack. And there's one more ingredient.
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  Speaker 1: Why was Matthew Perry getting injections of the male hormone
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  Speaker 1: testosterone listen.
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  Speaker 11: According to Matthew Perry, he had been cleaned for nineteen months,
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  Speaker 11: but The Daily Mail reports the actor died from an
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  Speaker 11: overdose of the party drug ketamine. According to the autopsy report,
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  Speaker 11: a detective who attended the scene of Perry's death said, quote,
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  Speaker 11: during my investigation, no alcohol, elicit drugs or drug paraphernalia
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  Speaker 11: were found unquote. The Daily Mail also claims the fifty
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  Speaker 11: four year old was getting injections of the male hormone testosterone,
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  Speaker 11: and an unnamed female associate claimed the injections were causing
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  Speaker 11: him to be angry and mean for the last couple
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  Speaker 11: of weeks.
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  Speaker 1: From my point of view, doctor Maroney as a lay
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  Speaker 1: person and not a doctor an MD like you, if
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  Speaker 1: something calls causes you to be angry and mean, it
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  Speaker 1: makes me wonder if it also didn't jack up his
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  Speaker 1: heart rate, this male testosterone injection.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what to make of it,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Moroney.
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  Speaker 1: Because you've got ketamine, you've got testosterone, you've got the
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  Speaker 1: opioid treatment drug.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much going on there.
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  Speaker 9: What you have is a cocktail of disaster because you
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  Speaker 9: probably are dealing with multiple doctors that are not communicating,
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  Speaker 9: nobody's coordinating his care. And if he's getting ketamine.
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  Speaker 8: As it's said in the autopsy, there's.
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  Speaker 9: Ketamine contents in the stomach that would be ketamine pills.
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  Speaker 9: That's a rogue doctor, somebody outside of good practice guidelines.
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  Speaker 8: Giving pills they have no business giving. In addition to
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  Speaker 8: ketamine treatment, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, is a ketamine used by vets so animals don't
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  Speaker 1: have pain during operations.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, it helps anesthesia for your cats and dogs. But
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  Speaker 8: at low doses. It's been shown to be beneficial in
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  Speaker 8: a massively unstable major depressive disorder. But guess what that
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  Speaker 8: acceptable therapy is Nasal? It's a nasal spray with your psychiatrist.
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  Speaker 1: Right, what you're saying, Ketamine, which many people believe is
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  Speaker 1: just used by veterinarians. Now people are using it, and
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  Speaker 1: you're saying that the only approved way for it to
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  Speaker 1: be used by people is by a nasal spray.
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  Speaker 9: The acceptable SDA approved supervised ketamine treatment is to go
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  Speaker 9: see your psychiatrists, have an appointment, get a nasal spray,
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  Speaker 9: and stay until you're stable, and have a counseling session.
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  Speaker 9: What you have here is somebody keeps saying, well, he's
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  Speaker 9: in treatment, he's in recover, he's not getting enough psychosocial
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  Speaker 9: therapy because he's impaired, he's impulsive, he's processing poor decisions
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  Speaker 9: because he doesn't have that counseling part linked to all
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  Speaker 9: this medicine, what is ketamine? Ketamine is a class of
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  Speaker 9: medicine that works on transmitters called glutamate.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, speak English man, What speak English?
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Is this something I've got to worry about? They're going
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to have in the halls of my twins high school?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, I hear about ecstasy, co marijuana, blah blah
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: blah blah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But ketamine.
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: Ketamine's been abused for twenty years in drug culture and
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: drug use.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: But is it traded freely on the street.
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: It is on the street.
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: You can buy it if you can ask for from
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: your dealer, they'll get you some. But it's FDA approved
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: as a nasal spray, and he's not getting the FDA
• 20:57
  Speaker 9: approved version.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, I heard somebody jumping in. Is it when your
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Karen Stark?
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: Karen. It's used as a club drug. It started years ago, Nancy,
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: but it's continuing. People do useage recreationally, but it's there
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: are a lot of trials going on where they are
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: psychedelics to stop addiction, just the opposite of what we
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: have here, and for depression, and that has to be
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: a trial because.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: It's not FDA approved.
• 21:27
  Speaker 8: These are rogue doctors in rogue clinics.
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: The only doctor that's probably legitimate here is the one
• 21:35
  Speaker 9: giving the bupin orphine. That's the hardest word to say,
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: but in order to do that you have to have training.
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: The rest of these people doing ketamine rogue.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: They're outside the law, they're outside good practice.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: We saw this with Anna, Nicole Smith, Michael Jackson, Prince,
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: all these rogue doctors treating all these celebrities and you
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: don't know who's around them.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Ketamine has been around it being abused for a long time.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: We just don't know that much about it, and we
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: don't see it as much. We don't it's not soaked
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: into our national understanding as well. But as far as
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I can remember that it's been called baby food, bump,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: cat killer, cat valum, fort, dodge, green, green, k K land,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: k hole.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: There's a million slang words for ketamine.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: And the first time I ever saw that was when
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I was prosecuting and somebody had it as an aside drug.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: They were dealing heroin, and they also had vitamin K.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: And you're gonna laugh at this, Mike McCormick, I said, so,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: what's wrong with vitamin K? Because I didn't know what
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that vitamin K was?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Ketamine? And that was, oh gosh. I was prosecuting a.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Dope lord and he had a stash of vitamin K.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: That's the first time I heard about Kennymine and Matthew.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: Garry was not the celebrity to be open about the
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: Keademy therapy sessions. I mean, the week before he died
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: on December first, Christy Keagan was very open about the
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: fact that she underwent Academy therapy session to celebrate her birthday.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: And she said on Instagram how she saw Spaece and
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: time and her late so late son Jack is someone
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: she saw during this therapy session. So Kedemy has kind
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: of like sort of has come into the conscious as
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: of late and now more because of Matthew Perry's death.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: You're seeing the horrible side eff that it can have.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So Miguel Alndez from at Joining Us, you're saying that
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: it's common use among celebrities to what fight depression.
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: To fight depression, to figure themselves, to use them to
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: use it as a form of therapy. Christy Keagan is
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: far from the only celebrity who has been open about
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: taking or undergoing Academy therapy sessions. The lights of Sharon
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: Osbourne and Pete Davidson.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: Who have been open about this.
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: But again, Academy therapy session is not dangerous if it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: done under supervision, as our doctor seen doctor Sareff said,
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: when you go rogue, and in this case, it seems
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: to indicate that that's what Matthew Perry did. You're going
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: to see the fatal consequences, consequences, and that's just that's
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: exactly what happened here.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: You're hearing Miguel Melendez, senior writer at and I've got
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: to get everything he.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Said, which is all correct.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: By the way, explain to me medically, doctor William Maroney,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: renowned expert in this field.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: So when you have ketamine treatment with.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: A doctor, you're saying, keny maine is ingested nasally like
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: through dristand the spray into your nose, and if it's
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: used any other way than it's rogue.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Do I have that right, Maroney?
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: The reason why it's rogue is the FDA approved spray
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: comes with specific conditions, that you're observed, that they follow instructions,
• 25:08
  Speaker 9: and that your safety comes first, and you really can't
• 25:11
  Speaker 9: even drive to and from your session.
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: You're supposed to have somebody take care of you.
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: As soon as you let somebody take ketamine pills, well,
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: it's unobserved, it's uncontrolled, and it's clear there was ketamine
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: in his stomach and his level in his blood was
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: exactly halfway between low anesthesia and high anesthesia. You don't
• 25:35
  Speaker 9: have those levels when you're supervised. And the whole idea
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: that ketamine therapy is matched to a psycho social treatment
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: of behavioral counseling session. That's where you make the changes
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: you have better insight, you have better processing and stress, and.
• 25:54
  Speaker 8: You're not impulsive.
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: The last thing you want with impulsive behaviors with somebody
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: in addiction is the.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: Them on postosterone. That's insane. Well, everybody knows it makes
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: you feel really good as a man.
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: You're sixty years old, suddenly you feel thirty six, okay,
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: but it comes at the price of frustration and anger
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: and really short tempers. Add that to the impulsivity of
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: substance use disorder and you could have, you know, a
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: dark rabbit hole, a hidden monster in the shadows, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 9: somebody who's not going to listen to somebody when they say, oh,
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: you know, it's taken a few too many ketamine pills.
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: Ketamine spray is not something you do every day. It's
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: once or twice a month with counseling sessions.
• 26:44
  Speaker 13: And because he had the pills in his stomach still
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: at the time the autopsy, we know it was rogue
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: aketamine and not the type used for infusion treatment.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: And of course you've got the other factor weighing.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Into Matthew Perry's death, and that is with all these
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: drugs in the system, he gets into the pool, the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: hot tub and it's not the first time.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut thirteen.
• 27:12
  Speaker 12: Now on Amergency.
• 27:13
  Speaker 14: How you doing?
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: This is security from Beverly Hilton.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: All right with going on?
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: I need a paramedic family. I got a forty six
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: year old female found in the bathroom. But a fall
• 27:20
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• 27:22
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  Speaker 14: she fell. She was in the bathroom with the water
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• 27:28
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry.
• 27:29
  Speaker 14: There's room four three fourth yeah, okay, and there's not
• 27:31
  Speaker 14: eat twist or anything else. There's room four three four
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 27:35
  Speaker 14: You don't know see your country.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Of breathing at all.
• 27:37
  Speaker 14: Apparently she wasn't breathing and she's twenty six year old.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: She was not breathing.
• 27:40
  Speaker 14: Yeah, okay, but she is a breathing I aw, I
• 27:43
  Speaker 14: don't know. Okay, that's the first thing that called me,
• 27:45
  Speaker 14: was guy rad And i'kay.
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: Much out of it.
• 27:48
  Speaker 14: Okay, you know, got r card to go in there now, Okay,
• 27:49
  Speaker 14: we'll come to breathe for fire over there was that
• 27:51
  Speaker 14: a person not breathing.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: There's kind of like the first one.
• 27:53
  Speaker 12: Still not breathing.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's correct. Okay, we'll get in there.
• 27:55
  Speaker 14: For not bringing everybody, give me to the real plans?
• 27:57
  Speaker 14: Can I get to pr Yeah, we're going there. Now
• 27:59
  Speaker 14: are you getting into the realms?
• 28:00
  Speaker 12: Like I've got to get keep cart truck.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 28:02
  Speaker 14: You kept hanging up on us, kept hanging up on you.
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: Okay, right, we're good.
• 28:05
  Speaker 12: Now you go it.
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, back, thank you.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: And there was water in Whitney Houston's lungs, indicating she
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: was alive when she was submerged underwater. But according to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: what we learn, the level of cocaine in Whitney Houston's
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: body was not lethal, but it was enough to make
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: her unaware of the fact she was going underwater, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: in an eerie twist, the same thing happens to her daughter.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: To listen to our cut sixteen, The.
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: Only child of Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown, Bobby Christina
• 28:43
  Speaker 11: Brown wanted to follow her mother's footsteps as a singer
• 28:46
  Speaker 11: and actress. Tyler Perry cast Bobby Christina Brown in his
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: television series For Better or Worse and had high praise
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: for her work. In her personal life, she became engaged
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: in Nick Gordon, a friend of the family who lived
• 28:57
  Speaker 11: with them from the age of twelve. Never officially adopted
• 29:01
  Speaker 11: by Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown, Bobby Christina Brown referred
• 29:04
  Speaker 11: to him as her big Bra online. Their engagement shocked many.
• 29:08
  Speaker 11: On January thirty one, twenty fifteen, Nick Gordon found Bobby
• 29:11
  Speaker 11: Christina face down, unconscious in a bathtub in her home
• 29:14
  Speaker 11: in Alfaretta, Georgia.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And then, just recently, we lose another celebrity, Aaron Carter
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: in our cut twenty one.
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: As the younger brother of Nick Carter of the Bank
• 29:24
  Speaker 11: Street Boys, Aaron Carter had a connection to the big time.
• 29:27
  Speaker 11: He could sing, he could dance, and he had the
• 29:30
  Speaker 11: look as with most teen idols when they're fifteen minutes
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: is up. Aaron Carter struggled. His first stint in a
• 29:35
  Speaker 11: treatment facility was announced by his manager when the singer
• 29:38
  Speaker 11: was just twenty three. Then a year later it was
• 29:40
  Speaker 11: announced that he completed a twenty eight day rehab stint
• 29:43
  Speaker 11: at the Betty Ford Center. On November fourth, twenty twenty two,
• 29:46
  Speaker 11: Aaron Carter's housekeeper found his body in the bathtub at
• 29:49
  Speaker 11: his home. The Los Angeles County Department of Medical Examiner
• 29:52
  Speaker 11: Corner ruled cause of death was attributed to drowning after
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: inhaling die flora ethane and taking the generic of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: brand name Xanax. The report also indicated the Carter was
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: incapacitated while in the bathtub due to the effects of
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: the drugs he took, which contributed to his death by drowning.
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: Aaron Carter was thirty four.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You know, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and author. So many people,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: not just celebrities, die in pools and hot tubs after
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: too many drugs or too much alcohol.
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's so unfortunate. You know, we only hear about
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: some of these famous people because they're famous. Think about
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: how many men and women, friends, neighbors, family members die
• 30:35
  Speaker 12: in the same way. But maybe don't just grab headlines.
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: It's one of the reasons we always want to reach
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: out sooner rather than later for people that are struggling.
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: And I like the way in that last clip they
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: talked a little bit about what happens after the fame.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: One of the things that Matthew Perry said, he said,
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: taking k is like being hit in the head with
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: a giant happy shovel, but the hangover outweighed the benefits.
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: And that's part of what I think celebrities are getting
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: better at explaining and that yes, perhaps they're self medicating,
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: but it's not worth it in the end. And that's
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: one of the messages that Matthew Perry wanted to.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Leave us with Karen start joining us a renowned psychologist. Karen,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: we know that Matthew Perry told everyone he had been
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: clean going on two years? Is that common for addicts
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to insist their cleim.
• 31:26
  Speaker 10: Is tremendous amounts of denial, Nancy, because they really are struggling,
• 31:32
  Speaker 10: in most cases to be clean. They don't want to
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: be addicted, but they're very, very susceptible. And when you
• 31:39
  Speaker 10: think about somebody who's famous like that, there are always
• 31:43
  Speaker 10: people around who were willing to oblige them with drugs
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: and tempt them with drugs because they want to make
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: them happy, they want to be around the celebrity. It's
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: something that happens all the time. So I am sure
• 31:57
  Speaker 10: he was trying but obviously not succeeding, or that ketamine
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: would not have been there he.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Had really been through a battle. I want you to
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut four our friends from
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: crime online. Something I didn't know until after Matthew Perry
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: passed away.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: After years of addiction.
• 32:17
  Speaker 15: Matthew Perry spent five months in the hospital after his
• 32:20
  Speaker 15: colon burst from prolonged opioid abuse. Perry says he was
• 32:24
  Speaker 15: in surgery for seven hours, in a coma for two weeks,
• 32:27
  Speaker 15: and doctors told his family he had a two percent
• 32:30
  Speaker 15: chance of survival.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Stripped of his medical license when his reputation who cares
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: everybody else that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Causes a death goes to jail?
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: Why not him?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Now? He claims he's scraping by as a ride chair driver.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: You know what, take more jobs. He also begged the
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: court to credit him with time served.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: So wait his sentences. He drives an uber that's his sentence.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: What happened to Matthew Perry? Doctor William Moroney joining us
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the pre eminent expert in this field.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Doctor Moroney, I believe that if my colon had burst.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: From prolonged drug use, I would go through hell in
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: high water not to get addicted again. But see that's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: me on the outside looking in because I'm not addicted.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Addicts tell me that they can't stop themselves.
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: What it is is there is an insight issue that
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: comes with substance use disorder, and the only way you
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: can rewire the brain. It's like rewiring a vacuum cleaner,
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: rewiring a radio, or you know, rewiring a power strip.
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: You rewire the brain, not.
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: By feeding the body drugs just as a substitute, but
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: in depth therapy, making selections, looking at the trauma in
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: your life, choosing not to be impulsive, choosing to process
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: your stress. You have to do that with another person,
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: face the face. It's not always about the drugs. He
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: may have been clean from heroin for two years, but
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: his brain was not done processing that. Impulsivity and impulsivity,
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: poor processing, and lack of insight. Those are the three
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: things that substance use disorder people suffer with every single
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: for alcohol, heroin. Okay, those are the three things. And
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: the only way through that rewiring is with another person
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: in a chair, face the face, and that's just not
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: being done today. Everybody wants a pill, they want to
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: quick fix, and these rogue doctors are not getting people
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: the therapy they need. In the end, the same thing
• 35:11
  Speaker 9: is going to happen somebody's going to be investigated by
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: the medical board. There'll be another trial any year. Somebody's
• 35:19
  Speaker 9: going to lose their license. And it's so sad that
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: Matthew Perry had to die this way.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Same thing with Michael Jackson, Conrad Murray, there was a trial,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: he gets convicted. In the end he walks free, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson still did. Same thing with Matthew Perry. A
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: bright light has been extinguished because of ketamine. And I
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: want to follow up with Miguel Melndez, a senior reporter
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Entertainment Tonight. Miguel, I had no idea that Matthew Perry
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: had been through so much in his battle, even having
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: his colon burst from prolonged opioid abuse.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: But there's more, Miguel. Let's now cut five.
• 36:06
  Speaker 15: Two years after his near death experience, Matthew Perry goes
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: to a rehab facility in Switzerland. He wrote that he
• 36:13
  Speaker 15: faked pains and dumbs to get oxy conton during COVID.
• 36:16
  Speaker 15: He was also getting daily ketamine infusions. While at the facility,
• 36:20
  Speaker 15: Perry needed to have surgery and was given propofol. When
• 36:23
  Speaker 15: he woke up eleven hours later, he found out his
• 36:26
  Speaker 15: heart had stopped for five minutes, and during the long
• 36:28
  Speaker 15: CPR process, eight of his ribs were broken. The doctor
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: then refused more METS.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: So this guy, Matthew Perry, I mean, we look at him, Miguel,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and we think, Wow, he's famous, he's a star, he's
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: got all this money in this beautiful home. This guy
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: was in a living hell that nobody knew about. I mean,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: he had his com burst from opioid use.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Then he dies essentially during a surgery, and all eight
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: of his ribs are oken during CPR.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: And yet he went back to his own hellhole. He
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: couldn't stop himself. Miguil.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean it's tragic.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: All these near death experiences rooted from his need of
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: these substances. And he wrote in his book that he
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: thought that the only reason why he was revived and
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: given CPR in such aggressive manner was because the first
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: in performing the CPR said, I can't let the guy
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: from Friends die on my table. That can't happen on
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: my watch. So in retrospect, Perry asked himself, had I
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: not been on Friends, would they have stopped giving me
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: CPR after three minutes? And said they went five minutes? Wow,
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: five them, Wow, and you talk about these drugs in
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: his system. And even when he was detoxing in the
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: final episode of Friends in two thousand and four, when
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: the episode ended and it all came to a close
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: and everyone felt emotional, not just the cast and the crew,
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: but everyone who was tuned in too that show. Parry
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: himself said in his book that he felt nothing because
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: the detox drug that was in his system at the
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: time made him feel numb. So even in the happiest moments,
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: or what should have been the happiest moments of his life,
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: he felt nothing. And again, it all rooted because of
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: the subtance issue that he's had for so long.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Miguel, you are bringing up a whole other issue, not
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: only the battle against addiction, but how it affects your
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: life day to day. He couldn't even feel regular emotions.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this morning when I was driving
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the twins to school, I was so happy just being
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: with them. What a loss in your life not to
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: be able to feel all those wonderful things. And guys,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: we're finding out now how his Kennemine addiction began. Take
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: your listen to Our cut six Our Friend Investigative reporter Nicole.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: Parton Matthew Perry wrote about the ketamine infusions he received
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: at the Swiss clinic. He explained in his memoir that
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: ketamine quote has my name written all over it. They
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: might as well have called it Maddie. The New York
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Post reports that Perry described the drug as a giant
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  Speaker 5: exhale and said he would be blindfolded and listening to
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: music when he got his injections. Perry also said he
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: would disassociate during the infusions and often felt as if
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: he were dying. Perry said he kept signing up for
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: it because it was something different, and quote, anything different
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: is good. Taking kay is like being hit in the
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: head with a giant, happy shovel, But the hangover was
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: rough and outweighed the shovel.
• 39:49
  Speaker 11: Still.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: In his memoir, Perry says ketamine was not for.
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  Speaker 1: Me, you know, doctor Maroney, Ketamine is my new nightmare.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: My new nightmare because I've never knowne of it actually
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: killing anyone until now.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I think the ketamine awareness has went from zero
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: to a hundred on our National barometer. But the whole
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: idea is effective, evidence based FDA proved ketamine treatment comes
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: with counseling, and where we have rogue doctors and really
• 40:25
  Speaker 9: dark rabbit holes, is people are going to look for
• 40:28
  Speaker 9: this stuff and not match it to the counseling.
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: The lack of feeling that.
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: He had meant that he was just altered by drugs
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: seeing people having emotions. You know, you talked about your kids.
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: I got kids the same age. Where's the celebrities with
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: taking their kids to school?
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: They miss all that stuff.
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: They're in clinics, they're in rehab, their homes are in
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: the hills, and nobody had families out there.
• 41:01
  Speaker 8: Let's get back to simple things. If you're going to
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: do katamine, you're going to seek it out.
• 41:06
  Speaker 9: Seek out the FDA improved katomene, the counseling, the psychiatrist
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: of behavioral health clinics, not the rogue.
• 41:15
  Speaker 8: Rogue leads to death.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: You know one thing that Matthew Perry said, he said
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that when I ever die, I'm probably going to be
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: remembered from my role in friends. But what I want
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to be remembered for is how I helped people and
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: maybe helped them get out of or avoid addiction.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: And he has done that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: His lawyer's wanting to the judge that he lost his career,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: his reputation, financial stability. Yeah, everybody that gets convicted in
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: connection with a death goes to jail as well. They
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: don't just quote lose their reputation. According to Matthew Perry's parents,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: this doctor is quote among the most culpable of all
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: in their son's death.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: How do you think they feel to night?
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I swear I feel there just ain't no justice.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off good bye for it.