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WATCH: Myth of Education Host Tiffany B. on Church & State Media · The Myth of Education Podcast

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  SPEAKER_00: With that...
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's get our show started.
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  I'm really excited to bring to you actually a friend of mine,
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  Tiffany Benson.
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  SPEAKER_00: We actually used to work together at TPUSA.
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  SPEAKER_00: I worked for the faith department.
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  SPEAKER_00: She was part of the main area.
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  SPEAKER_00: But she's led school board watch list projects since 2024.
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  She founded RPR with a mission to awaken and empower everyday
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  citizens who advocate
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  SPEAKER_00: for excellence in K-12 education.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tiffany, it is an absolute pleasure to see you again.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Good to see you too.
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  Yeah and on my birthday too I didn't even announce that June
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  4th Happy birthday
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  Thank you very much I'm wearing my Killdozer shirt Many of you
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  know I talk about
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  this a lot It's actually a libertarian holiday Killdozer It's
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  also my birthday But
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  SPEAKER_00: it's fun to have a friend on the show on my birthday Good
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  SPEAKER_00: So you and I,
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  SPEAKER_00: back when we worked at Turning Point,
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  SPEAKER_00: we had the opportunity to actually teach a course together,
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  SPEAKER_00: had a room full of people,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we just really connected.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were able to play off each other really well.
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  You were a little bit more serious getting the facts,
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  and then my zaniness was coming through.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm always about facts.
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  SPEAKER_02: Facts can be fun, especially when they trigger people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you're definitely on the right show for triggering people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about restore parental rights in education.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's such an important factor.
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  You know,
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  you know,
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  just as well as I do,
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  that pick your despot does not matter who it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: Stalin, Hitler, Mao, it does not matter.
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  SPEAKER_00: Every single one of them targeted the youth for very specific reasons.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is what's going on in America.
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  SPEAKER_00: Would you not agree?
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  I do agree and it's increasing I think if you look at something
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  like the anti-ice
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  protests for example I mean that is a key example of what
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  communism looks like this
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  is the brainwashing and the emotionalism and the anger and
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  lawlessness and they're
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  being taught the children are being taught that this is how you
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  handle a situation
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  SPEAKER_02: that you disagree with whether you understand the situation or not so
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: What we see in education now,
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  SPEAKER_00: we've moved away from the standard writing,
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  SPEAKER_00: arithmetic,
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  SPEAKER_00: that kind of,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we're really pushing emotionalism in our schools.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you feel about this?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Myth of Education Podcast
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  SPEAKER_02: I myself,
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  SPEAKER_02: when I was a little younger,
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  SPEAKER_02: I fell for that same lie of if you get a degree,
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  SPEAKER_02: then you'll get a better job.
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  Our old boss wrote a book called College is a Scam and I know
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  firsthand it depends
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  on what you study but I think it's up to parents to definitely
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  guide their children
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  and do that research with them and help them understand if
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  you're going to get a
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  job in a certain field you should probably look into whether or
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  not that employer
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  SPEAKER_02: will cover your education that way you only get
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  The Learning That You Need To Move Up In That Company Otherwise
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  We Need People To
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  Be Entrepreneurs To Create Products And Solutions For Problems
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  That People Have In
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  Everyday Life I Think That That Is More Rewarding A Technical
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  Skill Become An
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  SPEAKER_02: Electrician A Plumber You Know What I Mean I Think That That
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  is the way forward with society is to be an everyday citizen
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  who does pivotal things.
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  SPEAKER_02: You don't have to be extraordinary, just be pivotal, be central, be key.
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  And essentially public education is teaching people to be more
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  about community and
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  SPEAKER_02: less individual.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: I say all the time on the show,
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  I got my degree in history and I joke that it's amazing I'm not
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  serving you coffee
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  SPEAKER_00: right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, people don't need to go to college.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are certain jobs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like if you know that you want to become a doctor, okay?
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  you're going to have to go through higher education through
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  that but so many of
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  them don't require this and then we get into some of these
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  really ridiculous
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  degrees like what are you going to do with a degree in
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  underwater basket weaving as
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  we used to say in the Marine Corps but there's a lot of really
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  stupid degrees that
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  SPEAKER_00: you can get that don't translate very well to the business world
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  SPEAKER_02: Well,
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  I think the lie that we've been sold as a society is that
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  having that four-year
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  SPEAKER_02: degree,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I was real smart.
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  SPEAKER_02: I went past that and got a master's.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think that,
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  SPEAKER_02: again,
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  that lie that we're being told is that more education is going
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  to make you a better
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  SPEAKER_02: citizen somehow.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's going to make you more functional in different scenarios.
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  SPEAKER_02: And essentially, it's very saturated.
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  People that have bachelor's degrees and in certain fields,
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  it is very saturated.
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  and the competition is unbelievable and what you'll see now as
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  you go into the
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  workforce people are going to be looking for people who have a
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  little more
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  longevity or experience hands-on that they can show that
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  they've been loyal to an
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  employer or that they at least have a resume that indicates
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  that they're serious
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  about their career and that doesn't always include education I
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  put my education on
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  SPEAKER_02: the last page
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  and sometimes I take my master's degree off because I think
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  it's a bit pompous.
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  I only put that on there if I want to compete for something
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  that's high paying.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think by college though, parents have lost a lot of the influence.
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  I think that's too late of an age to try to influence your
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  children's future.
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  SPEAKER_02: You have to start in kindergarten actually before that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pretty much as soon as you bring that child home from the hospital,
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  SPEAKER_00: you are now educating that child.
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  One of the things on your website here,
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  and we'll show that for the audience,
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  it's...
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  SPEAKER_00: R-P-R-E-D-U dot org.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can see it right there, Restore Parental Rights in Education.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the questions you have on here that I want to break down is,
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  SPEAKER_00: how do I know my parental rights have been violated?
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  SPEAKER_00: This is a question that kind of made me chuckle a little bit because,
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  SPEAKER_00: honestly,
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  SPEAKER_00: just open one eye and you'll be able to see that they are.
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  SPEAKER_00: But explain this for the audience.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you know if your parental rights are being violated?
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, the basic answer is to read the law.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need to read the federal parental rights bill.
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  SPEAKER_02: The parental rights bill is available to the public.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a real easy Google search.
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  You also need to compare that to state statutes so that your
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  legislators in your
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  SPEAKER_02: state are abiding by the Constitution.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then you also need to be reading your public school policies.
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  So those things should be building on one another with the
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  Constitution being the
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  SPEAKER_02: highest rule of law.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so...
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  If those things are out of alignment I think that that is very
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  easy to see If
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  SPEAKER_02: you're paying attention You said just open one eye Well,
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  parents need to open both eyes I think some of the ignorance of
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  what's going on In
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  K-12 education is willful at this point It's 2026 We've seen
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  the rioting in the
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  streets We've seen the girls fighting the boys To get them out
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  of their bathrooms
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  SPEAKER_02: And off their sports teams So,
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  SPEAKER_02: parents,
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  SPEAKER_02: you've been lied to About what's going on while you're at work
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
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  That's actually one of the silver linings for COVID was
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  actually that all the kids
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  SPEAKER_00: went home and they were starting to see it.
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  The parents were looking over the shoulder of their kids as
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  they're on their
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  SPEAKER_00: laptops and they're going,
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  SPEAKER_00: wait,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is your curriculum?
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  And we actually saw a massive influx of homeschooling
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  post-COVID because I think my
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  SPEAKER_00: belief is because of that very fact.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I believe that parents needed that wake up call.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was the blessing of COVID.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know it was a very tragic thing for some people.
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  you know because there was some loss but ultimately the way
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  that God uses things
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  completely unconventional we're in the upside down he's in the
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  right side of things
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  so a little stranger things plug there but essentially parents
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  needed that to
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  happen so that they could see the truth and then now as I just
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  said a moment ago
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  SPEAKER_02: your ignorance is kind of willful
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  SPEAKER_02: because you know if your child's behavior is changing,
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  SPEAKER_02: their language is changing,
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  they're challenging you on things that they once agreed with
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  you on very easily.
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  And I'm not saying that your child shouldn't become their own
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  person as they hit
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  SPEAKER_02: puberty,
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  SPEAKER_02: as they grow,
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  SPEAKER_02: those things will happen.
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  SPEAKER_02: But as far as something like moral values,
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  SPEAKER_02: Those are things that go pretty deep into us.
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  SPEAKER_02: At an early age, a child learns right from wrong.
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  So if you've got a child who's in a public education system and
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  they're coming home
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  and they're not necessarily just asking questions why we
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  believe what we believe,
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  SPEAKER_02: but they're actually challenging it and causing problems,
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  SPEAKER_02: then that may be something to look at.
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  Yeah absolutely I was actually just listening to my 13 year old
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  son telling his
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  friend why he should be a libertarian and I was like I'm
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  listening in on this and
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  I'm just like proud dad moment right here like this is awesome
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  you know my kid
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  isn't fighting me on you know transgenderism is a real thing no
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  he's influencing
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  SPEAKER_00: his friends on becoming a libertarian that's awesome Well
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  SPEAKER_02: Libertarianism.
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  SPEAKER_02: We talked about that, right?
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  I'm trying to like,
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  let me see,
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  because I guess I consider myself a conservative.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm more of a Christian first before any of those other labels.
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  And so I think a proud moment for me would be when my child
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  tells me they led
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  SPEAKER_02: somebody to Christ.
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  I mean absolutely and definitely I am a Christian libertarian
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  and my kids are being
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  brought up in the church so yes that is definitely most
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  important but still I think
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  the point still stands here let me ask you this I think it's
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  probably going to be a
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  pretty obvious question with an obvious answer but as you're
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  doing this work are
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  there certain states that tend to violate parental rights more
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  than others?
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean they all do but yes but
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  SPEAKER_02: Take Colorado for an example, and California.
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  Those are some states that have some pretty messed up
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  legislation on the books in
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  SPEAKER_03: terms of what a child can be removed from a home for,
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  for denying transgenderism or the child wanting to be called by
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  a different
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  SPEAKER_03: pronoun.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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  just some of the silliest things can get a child removed from
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  their home in the
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  SPEAKER_03: state of Colorado.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then in California,
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  I think parents are obviously still fighting the transgenderism
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  in the sports.
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  And then there's also these health clinics and abortion clinics
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  and referrals and
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  SPEAKER_03: things that can be made without parents knowing it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I'm here in Arizona.
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  SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately,
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  SPEAKER_03: in the last election cycle,
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  SPEAKER_03: we passed,
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  SPEAKER_03: I say we,
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  SPEAKER_03: I voted against that garbage,
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  SPEAKER_03: but it was called Proposition
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  SPEAKER_03: 139.
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  SPEAKER_03: And if you've ever read Psalm 139,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know that somebody was diabolical by naming that proposition 139.
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  SPEAKER_03: And basically we have abortion all the way up to birth here now.
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  And we do not have it on the books in our legislation to notify
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  parents when a
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  SPEAKER_03: child may be presenting pregnant in a school district.
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  Wow that is a shame and Arizona is really such a purple state
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  in a lot of ways it
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  seems you know it's constantly flipping red and blue so I'm
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  actually not surprised
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  but Tiffany I can't help notice but you run up California
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  Colorado both blue states
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  are you suggesting that the blue states might be a little worse
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  off than the red
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  SPEAKER_00: states?
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  You definitely see less of a fight in some situations in the
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  blue states for what's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean,
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  I think there's some boldness that's coming out for the people
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  who are not fleeing
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  SPEAKER_02: to Arizona or Texas or Florida.
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  SPEAKER_03: There is some pushback,
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  but it is definitely an uphill battle when everyone in
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  leadership is either a
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  leftist or they're morally soft and they can't always be
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  counted on when there's
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  SPEAKER_03: controversy.
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  SPEAKER_03: And then,
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  SPEAKER_03: of course,
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  SPEAKER_03: in some situations where it's the reddest in a place like California,
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_03: there's only so much power you can have.
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  SPEAKER_03: Your vote is just one vote.
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  You need a majority and you need to be consistent and you need
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  to win elections,
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  SPEAKER_03: obviously,
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  SPEAKER_03: to vote.
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  SPEAKER_03: advance the good aspects of a conservative agenda.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the other questions you have on your website here is,
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  SPEAKER_00: should I unenroll my student from public schools?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to hear your take on this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, we have to be pro-school choice.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so one of the choices for families is public schools.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am friends with
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  with a gentleman and actually he's my co-host on my podcast the
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  myth of education
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  podcast and his name is Dan and he's a public school parent but
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  he's like the
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  quintessential helicopter parent like he he read his teenage
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  daughter's sex
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  education curriculum before he would allow her to take the
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  class that's above
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  SPEAKER_03: average it shouldn't be but it is and um so
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_03: at the end of the day,
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  SPEAKER_03: these are the things that you need to be aware of,
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  SPEAKER_03: okay,
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  SPEAKER_03: in public education.
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  SPEAKER_03: This is not a joke to the people who want to indoctrinate your children.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so you have to know what you're up against.
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  SPEAKER_03: Should you unenroll your children
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  SPEAKER_03: and public schools, the short answer is yes, you absolutely should.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's not education anymore.
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  SPEAKER_03: I know people hear this all the time, but it is indoctrination.
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  SPEAKER_03: Your children are not learning how to think or how to reason.
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  SPEAKER_03: They're being taught what to think and how to feel about things.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so the safest thing I think for parents to do
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  is to pull their kids from the public education system unless
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  you're willing to put
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  SPEAKER_03: some part of your life on hold to show up for all of the events,
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  SPEAKER_03: attend the board meetings,
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  and if you were to homeschool or do private school or some
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  other schooling for your
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  SPEAKER_03: child,
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: you'd have to put part of your life on hold anyway.
• 17:30
  So I think that there is a bit of laziness that comes along
• 17:34
  with having your
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_03: children in public school.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry,
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: parents,
• 17:37
  but you queue up at the beginning of the day and then you queue
• 17:40
  up at the end of
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: the day and you really think that
• 17:43
  Every single teacher and administrator has the best interests
• 17:47
  and your values in mind.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: That's just not true.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well said on that one.
• 17:52
  I was hoping you would actually say,
• 17:54
  yes,
• 17:54
  get your kids out of public school.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: I use my platform here to tell parents all the time, get them out.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: You got to get them out.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you understand not only what's going on currently in public education,
• 18:05
  but really the history of public education I talk about this a
• 18:08
  lot on the show you
• 18:09
  go back to the Prussian system that we're modeled off of you
• 18:12
  look at John Dewey and
• 18:13
  Horace Mann like the system isn't failing the system is
• 18:16
  actually doing exactly what
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: it was intended to do and a lot of
• 18:20
  It's a great school and if you want your kids to actually go
• 18:23
  out into the world and
• 18:24
  be successful and be Christian and not have their values
• 18:26
  questioned constantly then
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's time to get them out.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well,
• 18:52
  there is one country where the type of factory line education
• 18:58
  that we have,
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: it works very well and their students excel in everything.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: Can you guess which country that is?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Is that China?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: It is our friends in China.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:10
  but China is an atheistic communistic system and society and so
• 19:15
  predetermining a
• 19:16
  child's future based on their family's station in life and then
• 19:20
  subjecting the
• 19:21
  child to a one size fits all education I mean in a country like
• 19:25
  that where there's
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_03: no freedom and government is God it works I was just recently watching a
• 19:31
  documentary and I think it was called Death to Recess and I
• 19:34
  knew once that guy once
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_03: he went to China
• 19:37
  I just knew that he was going to be able to show how they were
• 19:40
  excelling and how
• 19:42
  this communist type of education system we have set up was
• 19:46
  going to work well.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously he wasn't selling it as such,
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: but basically we not only need doctors,
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_03: lawyers,
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: engineers,
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_03: and people to build things here,
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: we also need entrepreneurs,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: artists,
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: ministries.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: A constitutional republic is built differently.
• 20:03
  And if we want to keep it,
• 20:04
  as one of the founders said,
• 20:05
  then parents have to take control
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: I 100% agree with that statement.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And,
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: parents,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: what Tiffany just said,
• 20:18
  you really need to pay attention to that because the model is
• 20:22
  working in communist
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: China.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same model that's being applied in the United States.
• 20:29
  Now all of these elites,
• 20:31
  these globalists,
• 20:33
  they say that China is the model.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's what they want for the whole world.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: So our education system is mirroring what China's doing.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: That ought to make you think.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, okay.
• 20:47
  I broke down our learning environments here in the way that we
• 20:51
  nourish ourselves.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_02: And you can tell me if you agree or disagree with this.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: I put public schools in the fast food category.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_03: Lowest quality, lowest health standards,
• 21:00
  It's on every major intersection and highway exit and it's the
• 21:04
  primary cause of
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: obesity,
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: malnutrition.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's a health crisis.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, our public schools are in a crisis.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_03: The next stage I say is like your charter schools.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, well that's your grocery
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's better than fast food, but it still has GMOs, dyes, chemicals.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_03: You have to read labels.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: And then you go to that level of private schools, Montessori's.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: I liken this to farmer's markets.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's not fast food.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's better than groceries.
• 21:30
  you can look farmers in the eye you learn what chemicals and
• 21:32
  growth processes go
• 21:34
  into raising that food but the food is often a little
• 21:38
  overpriced or more expensive
• 21:40
  and the portions are smaller so you have to you know learn how
• 21:43
  to live like that
• 21:44
  and then I put like home schools micro schools those little
• 21:47
  communities I consider
• 21:49
  that to be the grow your own food this is that trusted network
• 21:53
  of farmers gardeners
• 21:54
  you create and you're creating your own industry at that point
• 21:58
  when it comes to
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: educating your children
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Now,
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: the thing is,
• 22:01
  is that when you're in that home school or even that private
• 22:05
  school realm,
• 22:05
  you cannot take your eye off the ball of what's going on in
• 22:09
  public schools.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Your children have friends that are still in public schools.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: The influence
• 22:15
  that's going to happen later in society is still largely coming
• 22:18
  from the pool of
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: graduates of public education.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm very much pull your kids out.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: But then when you pull your kids out of the public school system,
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: you now have leverage to go into that boardroom and say,
• 22:31
  this is how it's going to be because my tax dollars are still
• 22:34
  coming into this
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: system.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta tell you, I absolutely love that analogy.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: I've never heard anybody say it that way,
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: but taking,
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: especially the public school with fast food,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: it's so easy.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: They're on every single corner, right?
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's cheap.
• 22:50
  You know,
• 22:51
  you can get a quick fix right away with really,
• 22:55
  it's not a hassle to you whatsoever.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: That is fast food.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: That is public education.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: That is spot on.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Hats off to you for coming up with that.
• 23:05
  I don't know if I came up with a lot of wisdom over the years
• 23:09
  and talking to a lot
• 23:11
  of parents who went the cheap easy route and then by the time
• 23:15
  their kid graduates
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: they are not understanding why their child can't read.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: Go figure, right?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I've seen this.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen this,
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: sadly enough,
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: with people I know,
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: where my daughter,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: same age,
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: and she's over there reading the classics at nine years old,
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: and I see another nine-year-old that's in
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: and she's still struggling with putting sentences together.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want that for your kid?
• 23:42
  I mean,
• 23:43
  every single parent,
• 23:44
  Tiffany,
• 23:45
  wants the absolute best things for their children.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: sure,
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: there's some outliers,
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: sociopaths,
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: and things like that,
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: but generally speaking,
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: every parent wants the absolute best.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: They want them to succeed.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: They will sacrifice themselves in order to uplift their child,
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: and yet they're still sending them to the public education system.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's sad to me.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think because of the convenience of it.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: But here's the thing,
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_03: because there's a lot of parents who want to jump from public straight to
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: homeschool.
• 24:14
  And I understand that desperation,
• 24:16
  but that you might have to take incremental steps.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_03: And the thing is,
• 24:20
  is that when you think about homeschooling or privately
• 24:23
  educating your child,
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want parents to see themselves always sitting at a kitchen table,
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: having to give up their careers and their jobs to be able to do that.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_03: Any moment,
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_03: it can be an educational moment,
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: just like any moment with your child can be a bonding moment.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: As you're driving down the street,
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: say the Pledge of Allegiance as you're just driving in the car.
• 24:43
  I mean,
• 24:43
  make it an educational moment every time,
• 24:45
  every opportunity that you can.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_03: Your child is spending seven,
• 24:48
  eight hours a day in public schools and they're learning for an
• 24:52
  hour until the bell
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_03: rings or something.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_03: And you can be teaching your child all day long.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the kids are bored to tears.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: You can watch these kids.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: There's one teacher,
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: and the classrooms are overcrowded,
• 25:05
  and that one teacher is trying to give five minutes of
• 25:08
  individual instruction time
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: to that student.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Many of them are bored.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're not excelling.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: They're not being challenged.
• 25:15
  And returning back to my own kids,
• 25:18
  they're in a classical Christian curriculum school.
• 25:21
  It's amazing and they're challenged and they're coming back and
• 25:23
  they're telling me
• 25:24
  things I'm learning things from my own kids I'm a victim of
• 25:28
  California public
• 25:29
  education system I always joke it's amazing I don't drool on
• 25:31
  myself but still I
• 25:33
  love the fact that my kids are teaching me while I'm teaching
• 25:37
  them It's the best of
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: both worlds ladies and gentlemen
• 25:41
  Well hats off to you for not continuing that tradition of
• 25:44
  public education and
• 25:45
  let's be real it's a tradition at this point and that we have a
• 25:49
  lot of traditions
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: as Americans that have no value and no meaning but we just continue
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: You've absolutely nailed it, Tiffany.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: I want you to address something because I hear this a lot from parents.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: I went to this school.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: My parents went to this school.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's a great school.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: I know this school.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: I had so much fun and I turned out just fine.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I want my kids to be a part of this.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost like a legacy or tradition as you just said.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: What would you say to a parent like that?
• 26:18
  I have a friend who is a parent like that she went through the
• 26:21
  school system that
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: we're in four of her kids went through
• 26:26
  the same school system,
• 26:28
  but then she has a little one who is on the autism spectrum.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: And she got into a fight,
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_03: not a physical fight,
• 26:37
  but these back and forth altercations with the public school
• 26:40
  district because what
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: she did wrong,
• 26:43
  what we figured out what she did wrong is she let that school
• 26:46
  district test her
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_03: child.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: Cognitively.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_03: And they told her that her child didn't need any additional assistance.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: They weren't going to give her that aid that she needed for her classes.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I said,
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: the school district that you went to,
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_02: that you went through and that your older kids went through,
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_03: it's not the same school district.
• 27:05
  What you did wrong is you should never let a school district
• 27:08
  test your kid.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: No thanks.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm good.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: We have a pediatrician.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: We have a specialist.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: I will bring you the diagnosis and tell you what my child needs.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: So she did that backwards, unfortunately.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_03: But essentially, it was kind of a hard break for her.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_03: And now her child is excelling.
• 27:26
  I think she did a micro school thing and is in some sort of
• 27:29
  private education setting.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_03: getting the help she needs.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_03: I think that her child is a genius.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of people kind of on that autism spectrum, they are.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: Honestly,
• 27:38
  her child didn't have enough unique needs to where the district
• 27:43
  could make money
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: off her kid.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: And essentially, that's what I think that the problem was.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I do want to say this for parents who are Christians,
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: and whether you're a Christian or you have no religion,
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_03: there is a dominant religion
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: in public schools, and that is secular humanism.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if we were going to go into that at one point,
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: but that is protected by the Constitution as a First Amendment.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: It is observed.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: There are court cases documenting this, and the
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: Secular humanism is not absent of morality.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: It teaches morals.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: It teaches evolutionary theory.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's their cover.
• 28:22
  Tiffany,
• 28:22
  let me pause you real quick because we're coming up on a hard
• 28:24
  break.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: So we are going to come back.
• 28:26
  We're going to talk about this,
• 28:27
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• 28:28
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• 30:42
  to my guest Tiffany Benson personal friend and just a warrior
• 30:46
  in restoring parental
• 30:47
  rights in education and Tiffany I hated to cut you off but
• 30:50
  we're talking about the
• 30:51
  religion in public education and you said it's really secular
• 30:55
  humanism and that is
• 30:56
  a religion and they have their own priests they have their own
• 31:00
  bible and they are
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: grabbing your kids as fast as they possibly can please continue
• 31:07
  Well,
• 31:07
  I wrote this article,
• 31:09
  and you can read it on my substack,
• 31:11
  parentspayattention.com.
• 31:13
  The article is titled,
• 31:14
  No God,
• 31:15
  No Prayer,
• 31:16
  But This Religion Is Thriving in Public Schools.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: And I talk about the immoral and unethical
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: dogma that students are learning.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_03: So for example, evolutionary theory has been taught for a lot of years.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_03: It would be fine if it was just taught as a theory,
• 31:32
  but it is taught as truth and it bumps directly up against the
• 31:36
  creation story.
• 31:38
  and basically renders us as just evolving over millions of
• 31:42
  years with no soul,
• 31:43
  no purpose.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: Social studies, right?
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's secular.
• 31:48
  We need to be learning civics and how to be a functioning
• 31:52
  citizen of our country as
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_03: opposed to being taught,
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Communistic things.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: Labeling our country a democracy, like a pure democracy.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: That is what social studies has gotten us.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: We are not a democracy.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_03: We've never been that.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: Ethnic studies, that's secularism.
• 32:12
  Essentially,
• 32:12
  that's where you get your critical race theory and your DEIs
• 32:16
  creeping in.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: Those are all secular ethics and morals.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: And then, of course, we've got secular human sexuality.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_03: What month are we in?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: We're
• 32:25
  There's going to be rainbow flags flying and,
• 32:28
  of course,
• 32:29
  social emotional learning,
• 32:31
  right?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: This is restorative justice and,
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_03: you can assault someone and just say you're sorry and that's good enough.
• 32:37
  These are the silly things that having a religion that teaches
• 32:40
  you that man is God,
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: this is what you're going to come up with.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: You don't paint a very pretty picture there, Tiffany, I gotta tell you.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Everything you just covered,
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_00: I hope my audience,
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: especially those who have their kids in public education,
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: were horrified by what you just said.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: And perhaps that's the start.
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  SPEAKER_00: You gotta look.
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  SPEAKER_00: You gotta look.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah
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  SPEAKER_03: And even the good teachers,
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_03: quote unquote,
• 33:33
  they're expected to teach this stuff and they're expected to
• 33:36
  test the children's
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  SPEAKER_03: knowledge on it.
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  Christians,
• 33:41
  Christian educators,
• 33:43
  their hands are tied because they allow it.
• 33:46
  We have a constitution that protects your freedom of speech,
• 33:49
  even on school grounds.
• 33:51
  You just,
• 33:51
  you know,
• 33:51
  you have to be careful about proselytizing,
• 33:54
  but you can wear a cross.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: You can talk about Christ.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: If someone can
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  SPEAKER_03: If you want to wave a rainbow flag on school grounds,
• 34:00
  then you need to put up an American flag and you need to talk
• 34:04
  about the Ten
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  SPEAKER_03: Commandments alongside the Constitution because the Bible,
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_03: for all intents and purposes in the education space,
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: it's also a historical book.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it absolutely is.
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  SPEAKER_00: One that's been proven over and over and over again.
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  I wanted to return to something that we were talking about with
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  parents who have
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  SPEAKER_00: that legacy mindset as far as the public school that they went to.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I want to talk a little bit about incrementalism because
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  SPEAKER_00: because the powers that be are very, very wise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, in an evil way.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I should say they're knowledgeable.
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  And they knew that if they immediately just went for all out,
• 34:44
  like all in,
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, what an evil guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: through the institutions.
• 35:14
  The institutions also included our seminaries,
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  but I guess that's a topic for another time.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's kind of that boiling frog thing.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: That's what we have going on here, is that slowly over time,
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: And if you want to point to a starting place,
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  we'll go okay with the 60s when there were lawsuits coming
• 35:32
  against forcing kids,
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: forcing quotes,
• 35:36
  to say a non-denominational prayer at some point in the school
• 35:39
  day or saying the
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: Pledge of Allegiance,
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_03: removing Bibles,
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: removing God.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then from now,
• 35:46
  we've escalated all the way to the point now where maybe 40% of
• 35:52
  fourth graders are
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_03: on reading level and less than a quarter of eighth graders can do math.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_03: And then we've also got these statistics now that say 10 to 12%,
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: which is about 5 to 7 million kids,
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_03: that's a low number to me,
• 36:07
  will be sexually harassed or assaulted by a district employee
• 36:10
  by the time they
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_03: graduate high school.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is what public school is producing.
• 36:16
  Genderless victims,
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  godless and lawlessness is what is abounding through a system
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  like that.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it doesn't give me a lot of hope.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: If we allow this to continue,
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: I should say,
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: we're currently under,
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: make America great again.
• 36:35
  And how can America continue to be great if our kids are
• 36:40
  brought up in this system?
• 36:42
  Like when I look to the future and I look at the kids that are
• 36:45
  currently in public
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: education,
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: and these are our future leaders in business and politics and religion,
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: if they're being taught this kind of stuff,
• 36:54
  without any pushback,
• 36:57
  I don't know if we make it too much longer beyond 250 years.
• 37:02
  Well,
• 37:02
  I mean,
• 37:03
  we read the book,
• 37:04
  and so things are going to get worse before they get better.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_03: But here's the verse that I know a lot of people are aware of, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Proverbs 22,
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: 6,
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  SPEAKER_03: train up a child in the way they should go,
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: and when they're old,
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: they won't depart from it.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: You don't want to just isolate that verse.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: You want to read the whole Bible.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: I tell Christians all the time, read the whole Bible.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: But the common mistake that parents make
• 37:26
  after hearing or reading a verse like that is that they think
• 37:29
  that God is talking
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: about keeping them in church.
• 37:32
  God is not talking about Sunday morning,
• 37:34
  Wednesday night,
• 37:35
  and then summer camp.
• 37:36
  He is talking about stewarding a soul from the moment a woman
• 37:41
  finds out that she is pregnant.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: From the moment the strip turns blue, you're a mother, you're a dad.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: And so from that point forward,
• 37:49
  you have to start setting your life in a motion where you are
• 37:51
  going to pass along.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_03: This is not a tradition, but this is legacy, heritage,
• 37:57
  that God is going to be the center of your life,
• 37:59
  and that includes education.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_03: And so Proverbs 22,
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: 6 is not written for parents to abdicate their parental rights or their
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: responsibilities or authority to someone else.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_03: I believe that if your child falls by the wayside,
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: as far as morally and training them in that way,
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: the Lord will hold you accountable for that.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of a scary thought, to be quite honest.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: It should be a check to every single parent.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when you put, I don't even want to say it this way.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to put my words together here.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: When Christ is the center of your life,
• 38:37
  When you recognize fully I am a servant of the master and that
• 38:42
  master is Jesus
• 38:42
  Christ it puts everything in perspective and as long as you are
• 38:46
  obeying the master
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: you don't have to necessarily worry as much about
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: education,
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: politics,
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: almost kind of laugh a little bit about it because,
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: hey,
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: he is king.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: He is in control.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: He is the ultimate and powerful authority.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I want Christians to recognize that,
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: operate under that premise,
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: and then just exit the systems that are in violation of the true master.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_02: Well, in order to obey God, you have to read scripture.
• 39:17
  I want to encourage those who identify as Christians to stop
• 39:20
  going around trying to
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: be good people,
• 39:22
  stop trying to be nice and actually just read the Bible and
• 39:26
  then put into practice
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_03: what it says.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: And you do that by faith.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: Put your faith before your works because you're not saved by your works.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: And so at the end of the day, the expectation is
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: that God has and His standards, they are very high.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: The only person that could fulfill that was Jesus Christ.
• 39:45
  So if you put your faith in Him and you follow Him and you're
• 39:47
  reading His Word,
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_03: He's not just a good teacher,
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: but He's Savior,
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: Lord,
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: Master,
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: all the things,
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: you will,
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_03: by grace,
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: fulfill the law and the requirements that God has,
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: and He'll bless your posterity for that.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 40:00
  I mean,
• 40:01
  Christians need to come to this point where we're okay with
• 40:04
  being the outsiders.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: And we are, ladies and gentlemen, we're outside of this world.
• 40:08
  You know,
• 40:09
  you look at Jesus and the disciples,
• 40:11
  you know,
• 40:12
  Jesus is not literally,
• 40:14
  but backhand
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: I am definitely a John the Baptist type
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Without a doubt.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: And that's how we should be.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: And these are the people who make a mark.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I got to celebrate with you, Tiffany.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: You're making a mark.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: You've worked for Turning Point.
• 40:50
  You've gone out and now you are tackling this very,
• 40:53
  very important subject.
• 40:54
  And that's the people who make a difference That's the people
• 40:57
  that I want to be
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: surrounded by People who say,
• 41:00
  the world is a terrible place And I am not a good person The
• 41:03
  only thing that makes
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: me good is that Christ is inside me But I'm going to go,
• 41:08
  I'm going to go fight I'm going to go tackle this area that I'm
• 41:11
  very passionate
• 41:12
  about And try to make a difference in the world for Christ
• 41:15
  That's the kind of
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: people that I want to be friends with
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_02: I appreciate that.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_02: I just want to encourage parents to get your mind renewed.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: You do that by reading the Word of God,
• 41:26
  but you need to get your mind renewed and look at the world
• 41:29
  from a spiritual
• 41:31
  perspective because that is the warfare that your kids are
• 41:35
  going up against in
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: public schools.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_02: It is spiritual warfare.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to steward your children well,
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: and I know this is a little bit off subject,
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: but I just got to throw it in here.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Parents, take a hard look at your church.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: If your church is one that is going along to get along,
• 41:51
  and I'm not even talking about the ones that currently have
• 41:54
  rainbow flags outside
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: of their church,
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: that's not a church,
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: okay?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Nope, don't go in there, okay?
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: But if your church is just going along to get along,
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: if it's kind of the,
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: pastors wearing the skinny jeans and,
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: they got the fog machines and all that kind of stuff,
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: maybe take a hard look at that.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Is Scripture actually being read and taught in your church?
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: Tiffany, you think I'm right?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: You're 100% right.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: I am part of a movement that is having a lot of exposure right now.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_02: And so I love my Pentecostal charismatic people,
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_03: but we need to take a hard look at all of these prophets.
• 42:29
  and the prophets who are supposedly leading this movement
• 42:32
  because it's going downhill fast.
• 42:34
  God is disciplining those who have been lying on the Holy
• 42:38
  Spirit for all these
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_03: years and giving to get blessed.
• 42:41
  And I mean,
• 42:42
  if you want to go down that road,
• 42:43
  Caleb,
• 42:44
  I'll go down that road with you
• 42:47
  The American church model,
• 42:49
  just like the American school district model,
• 42:51
  it's not working.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's not what God said he wanted.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's not the house that he said he wanted us to build.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_03: He said that we are the house and the Holy Spirit is in us.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_03: So we need to be about his business and not about our own business.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: You are preaching to the choir right here.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: I've been very open with my audience.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: I went from the Pentecostal non-denominational and I became a Lutheran,
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: the good kind,
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: LCMS,
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: not the bad kind.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_00: But I needed that.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I think most
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I mean, and if you
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: If you read the book of Acts,
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: which of course Pentecostal people are,
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: that's their favorite book.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's my favorite book.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: But the thing of it is,
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: is what was powerful about Peter,
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_03: what was powerful about Paul,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: John,
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: all of them,
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_03: is that they knew the scriptures.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_03: there's that brief passage in there about the Berean Christians,
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_03: everything that the apostles came to them with,
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: they searched the scriptures.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: And so if you really want to be a powerful author,
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_03: of man or woman of God.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: You need to be strong in the word.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_03: You don't have to be strong in dreams and prophecy.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: Those things are gifts.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_03: The Holy Spirit is the one who gives those gifts,
• 44:22
  but we should all be able to at some point teach others what we
• 44:26
  know and to be able
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_03: to evangelize and defend our faith.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Parents have to teach children how to defend their faith.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_03: Apologetics should just be a way of life.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: Amen, amen.
• 44:38
  Well,
• 44:38
  it sounds like,
• 44:38
  Tiffany,
• 44:39
  that you're saying the solution for all of this is Christ.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: I'm pretty sure that's what you just said.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: He's always the solution.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: we've come to the end of the episode here,
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: but I want to take the time to send everybody to the website again.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: Chris is going to bring that up for us.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Restore parental rights and education.
• 45:00
  Tiffany,
• 45:01
  just real quick,
• 45:01
  tell the audience what they can do to help support you.
• 45:05
  So visit rpredu.org,
• 45:10
  learn about my organization,
• 45:12
  donate to my organization,
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Send me referrals for anybody who would want to support my organization.
• 45:19
  And then I also invite you to follow the work that I'm doing in
• 45:23
  other spaces at
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_03: parentspayattention.com,
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: themythofeducation.com.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, these are all different avenues that I go down.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: Some of it's political, some of it's religious.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's a mix of everything.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, you should be able to follow me
• 45:39
  and my organization and the work that I'm doing and get an
• 45:43
  understanding of what's
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_03: going on in public schools.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I got to tell you, I appreciate your work.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so happy to see that you are continuing on with the fight.
• 45:54
  And I thank you for celebrating my 48 years here on this earth
• 45:58
  with me today.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's been an absolute blessing to have you on the show.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Well, happy birthday.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for having me.
• 46:04
  Absolutely I'm going to go ahead and close this out if you hold
• 46:06
  on one more minute
• 46:07
  post-production to say our goodbyes I'd appreciate it but again
• 46:09
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• 46:10
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• 46:13
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• 46:15
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• 46:21
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