Latest / The Mental Health Evolution / Ep 58: Two States, Two Directions: What's Happening to the Future of Our Workforce
Transcript
- 0:00(Transcribed by TurboScribe. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) This podcast is part of the Frederick podcast
- 0:02network.
- 0:03Learn more at listenfrederick.com.
- 0:05Welcome to Mental Health Evolution, a podcast about
- 0:08what's changing in mental health and why it
- 0:11matters.
- 0:12I'm your host, Rachel Harrison, inviting you into
- 0:15honest conversations with people from all perspectives in
- 0:18the field, clinicians, tech founders, investors, insurance companies,
- 0:22and all the folks in between.
- 0:24Let's explore what's working, what's not, and what's
- 0:27next.
- 0:29Welcome back, everyone, to the Mental Health Evolution
- 0:33podcast, where we talk about how the landscape
- 0:36is rapidly evolving in the mental health industry.
- 0:39This is a solo episode, and I want
- 0:43to talk about something that's happening right now
- 0:45in insurance and workforce policy that I don't
- 0:49think is getting nearly enough attention.
- 0:52As you may know, I own a multi
- 0:54-state practice and run a training institute.
- 0:57I employ clinicians at every stage of licensure,
- 1:00including interns, pre-licensed, and limited license clinicians
- 1:04who are doing excellent clinical work under supervision
- 1:07while they complete the hours to get their
- 1:10full license.
- 1:11And I am watching two states make completely
- 1:15different policy directions at the exact same moment
- 1:18in time in ways that will directly affect
- 1:22clinicians, practices, folks that I train, and probably
- 1:26your clinical world too.
- 1:28So it's important to define that in this
- 1:32episode, we are talking about three different levels
- 1:35of clinicians.
- 1:36The first level is a clinical intern who
- 1:40is at the very end of their graduate
- 1:42coursework and getting real-life clinical experience while
- 1:45under the supervision of an advanced, fully licensed
- 1:48clinician, as well as the supervision of their
- 1:51degree program.
- 1:53The next level, or level two, is a
- 1:56provisionally licensed clinician.
- 1:58These are graduates who must work anywhere from
- 2:02two to four years under the supervision of
- 2:04a clinical supervisor, who is normally someone who
- 2:07has a minimum level of experience along with
- 2:10training and certification to be a supervisor.
- 2:14This clinician takes legal responsibility for the clients
- 2:18the provisionally licensed clinician sees for psychotherapy.
- 2:23Both level one and level two clinicians introduce
- 2:27a high cost to a practice or organization
- 2:30because of the hours and cost of both
- 2:32clinical and administrative supervision.
- 2:36Historically, interns are the highest cost and risk
- 2:39and normally do not get paid for their
- 2:42training and experience because of that.
- 2:46Provisionally licensed clinicians are normally paid a lower
- 2:49wage than a fully licensed clinician because of
- 2:52the high cost and liability of their license
- 2:55requirements.
- 2:57Insurance companies have not historically covered interns at
- 3:02all with the exception of Medicaid.
- 3:04Some carriers do cover provisionally licensed clinicians and
- 3:09others allow billing under the supervisor's credentials and
- 3:13paneling.
- 3:15Lastly, or the fully licensed level, level three,
- 3:19is clinicians that have an independent license to
- 3:21practice.
- 3:22They can practice anywhere in a state where
- 3:26they're licensed and insurance has always covered this
- 3:29level of licensure with clinicians who are paneled.
- 3:33So let's get to what is happening currently.
- 3:37First of all, I want to talk about
- 3:39Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan.
- 3:42So this is the largest commercial insurer in
- 3:45the state of Michigan and they hold nearly
- 3:4770 percent of Michigan's commercial market.
- 3:51Earlier this year, they announced that starting March
- 3:531st, 2027, they will no longer reimburse for
- 3:56services provided by limited licensed clinicians in private
- 4:00practice settings.
- 4:01So let me explain what this means in
- 4:04plain terms.
- 4:05Right now, when a newly graduated clinician joins
- 4:09a practice, there are two options for billing
- 4:12insurance.
- 4:14Sometimes insurance companies actually cover their work and
- 4:18they can bill directly under their name and
- 4:21they can be credentialed with the insurance company.
- 4:24Sometimes what's allowed is to be billed under
- 4:27their clinical supervisor.
- 4:29So they can still see clients, they can
- 4:32provide insurance-based care, but those billings are
- 4:36all going under their supervised or their clinical
- 4:39supervisor.
- 4:40The way practices have made this work is
- 4:43through this type of billing if an insurance
- 4:46company does not recognize the provisional or limited
- 4:50license.
- 4:52So this means that the practice can afford
- 4:55to employ, develop a pre-licensed clinician while
- 4:59they complete that supervised training.
- 5:02Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan says they
- 5:04are ending this in private practice setting and
- 5:07framing it as a quality of care decision.
- 5:11They say that if limited licensed clinicians want
- 5:14to train toward full licensure, they should do
- 5:18so in hospitals, outpatient psychiatric centers, or community
- 5:23health agencies where there is built-in oversight.
- 5:28Practice owners in Michigan are not buying the
- 5:32quality of care framing.
- 5:33One practice owner told Bridge Michigan that the
- 5:37move will simply sink some practices.
- 5:40Another estimates she will lose coverage for 250
- 5:43clients.
- 5:45The president of Michigan Mental Health Counselors Association
- 5:48said it plainly, you are cutting off a
- 5:51pipeline for these practitioners to become fully licensed.
- 5:56And this quality of care piece is very
- 5:59interesting because in private practice settings, the same
- 6:03level of supervision, sometimes higher levels of supervision
- 6:06are required for provisionally licensed clinicians.
- 6:11But the key question that no one can
- 6:12answer right now is whether this stays in
- 6:15Michigan.
- 6:16Blue Cross Blue Shield Michigan has nearly 70%,
- 6:20as we mentioned earlier, of the state's commercial
- 6:22market and is the dominant payer for this
- 6:25workforce.
- 6:26If other insurers in Michigan or other states
- 6:29follow the economics of training the next generation
- 6:32of therapists, collapse in the private practice setting.
- 6:36So here's what I want you to think
- 6:39about.
- 6:39Every fully licensed therapist was once a provisionally
- 6:43licensed therapist.
- 6:44There is no other path.
- 6:46And if private practices can no longer afford
- 6:49to employ pre-licensed clinicians because insurance will
- 6:52not reimburse them for their work, that training
- 6:55ground disappears.
- 6:58The pipeline shrinks.
- 7:00And three to five years from now, the
- 7:02workforce shortage we are already living with gets
- 7:05meaningfully worse.
- 7:07At the same time that this is happening
- 7:10in Michigan, Maryland passed HB 1094 and SB
- 7:16910 in the 2026 legislative session, and the
- 7:20governor signed both into law in April.
- 7:23These bills go in the exact opposite direction.
- 7:27One state is mandating reimbursement for supervised interns.
- 7:31Another state's largest insurer is eliminating coverage for
- 7:36a level up from intern, which is the
- 7:39provisionally licensed clinician.
- 7:42NESW Maryland testified in support of this bill
- 7:46by saying that supervised interns are providing real
- 7:50services to real clients and that the inability
- 7:53to bill for those services limits placement opportunities
- 7:56and shrinks the capacity to deliver care.
- 8:00Maryland also passed a behavioral health workforce investment
- 8:04fund back in 2023 and cited reduction in
- 8:08mental health workforce shortage areas from 22 to
- 8:1210 jurisdictions as evidence that investing in this
- 8:16pipeline works.
- 8:18Maryland made a deliberate policy choice.
- 8:21If you want to operate in this state
- 8:23as an insurance company, you have to pay
- 8:25for supervised interns.
- 8:26You have to support the training environment.
- 8:29This is a legislative answer to the same
- 8:32question.
- 8:33Michigan's largest insurance just answered very differently.
- 8:37So let's zoom out.
- 8:39What is the bigger picture here?
- 8:41There is no national standard.
- 8:44There is no federal policy that says how
- 8:46this should work.
- 8:47Every fully licensed therapist and clinician in this
- 8:51country got there through supervised practice, and right
- 8:54now whether that pipeline is financially viable depends
- 8:58largely on what state you are in and
- 9:00which insurer covers your clients.
- 9:03When insurance stops reimbursing for pre-licensed work
- 9:07in private practice settings, the cost of developing
- 9:10new clinicians doesn't just disappear, it just gets
- 9:13shifted.
- 9:14It gets shifted onto the practices that still
- 9:17believe in training and onto the pre-licensed
- 9:20themselves, some of whom are already working for
- 9:23very little pay while they pay for their
- 9:26own supervision out of pocket depending on their
- 9:28place of work.
- 9:29The clinicians who complete that gauntlet who survive
- 9:32the years of low pay and out-of
- 9:35-pocket supervision costs are then free to practice
- 9:38independently.
- 9:39The clinics and practices that invest their time
- 9:43and resources in training both interns and provisionally
- 9:46licensed clinicians often do so because they believe
- 9:49in quality training for future therapists.
- 9:52The costs and liabilities can be prohibitive.
- 9:56Many groups don't allow interns nor provisionally licensed
- 9:59clinicians for this reason, and this limits the
- 10:02amount of training opportunities that can be provided,
- 10:05as well as the quality of training given
- 10:08to new clinicians.
- 10:09If the pipeline gets starved, everyone feels the
- 10:13impact.
- 10:14As a practice owner and trainer, what I
- 10:17want clinicians and practice owners to take away
- 10:20from this episode is that this is not
- 10:23a billing technicality.
- 10:25This is a workforce policy question that is
- 10:28being decided right now state by state and
- 10:31insurer by insurer without a lot of public
- 10:35conversation.
- 10:36Maryland showed that legislation is one lever, advocacy
- 10:41through your professional associations is another.
- 10:44And knowing what your own state's laws and
- 10:47insurer contracts actually say about supervised billing is
- 10:51the starting point.
- 10:53If you are a business owner, look at
- 10:56your payer contracts.
- 10:58If you are a pre-licensed clinician looking
- 11:00for placement, ask whether the practices you are
- 11:03considering have examined this.
- 11:05If you are a fully licensed clinician and
- 11:08you supervise, understand that the financial infrastructure supporting
- 11:12that work is not guaranteed.
- 11:15This story is not finished, but the direction
- 11:19of travel is really worth paying attention to
- 11:22right now, looking at how that's going to
- 11:25impact especially private practice.
- 11:28Thanks for listening to this podcast today.
- 11:31I hope this was helpful as we talk
- 11:33about the changing landscape in the mental health
- 11:35industry.
- 11:36Before we wrap up, I want to point
- 11:38you to three pieces that inform today's conversation
- 11:41that are worth reading if you want to
- 11:43go deeper.
- 11:44All of these links will be in the
- 11:46show notes.
- 11:47First article is from Psychology Today titled New
- 11:51Insurance Policy on Limited Licensed Therapists by Dr.
- 11:55Joel L.
- 11:55Young.
- 11:56That's from June 2026 and it was written
- 11:59by the medical director of a behavioral medicine
- 12:02clinic in Michigan who is watching this change
- 12:05affect his own hiring decisions in real time.
- 12:09He makes the workforce pipeline argument clearly and
- 12:13asks the question that nobody has a good
- 12:15answer to.
- 12:16At a time when access to mental health
- 12:18care is one of our greatest public health
- 12:20challenges, is reducing opportunities for developing therapists really
- 12:25the direction that we want to go?
- 12:28Article 2 is from the Maryland Insurance Administration,
- 12:32Bulletin 26-14 on HB 1094 and SB
- 12:37910, also from June 2026.
- 12:41This is the official regulatory bulletin implementing Maryland's
- 12:45new law.
- 12:46It is dry reading, but it's the primary
- 12:48source for what Maryland is actually requiring of
- 12:51insurers starting January 1, 2027.
- 12:55If you are in Maryland or curious about
- 12:57what a legislative fix to this problem looks
- 13:00like, this is a good place to start.
- 13:02And Article 3 from Bridge Maryland, Michigan Blue
- 13:06Cross to Limit Mental Health Benefit Will Thousands
- 13:10Lose Care?
- 13:11by Robin Erb, June 11, 2026.
- 13:15This is the best on-the-ground reporting
- 13:18I found on the Michigan story.
- 13:20Bridge, Michigan is a non-profit newsroom and
- 13:23Robin Erb spoke directly to practice owners who
- 13:27are already calculating how many limited license clinicians
- 13:31they will have to let go in March.
- 13:34One practice owner estimated 250 of his clients
- 13:37will lose coverage.
- 13:39Another said simply, this will sink some practices.
- 13:43It's an important read, and the link is
- 13:45here.
- 13:46Thanks for listening today.
- 13:47Bye for now.
- 13:49Thanks for listening to the Mental Health Evolution
- 13:52podcast.
- 13:53Join the conversation, find us on social, send
- 13:56us your thoughts, and tell us what you're
- 13:58seeing in your corner of the mental health
- 14:00world.
- 14:00Until next time, stay curious and keep evolving.