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The threat of foreign apps to American data and privacy · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  It's time for the truth be told with Booker Scott.
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  So much is made out of artificial intelligence these days.
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  Where exactly is artificial intelligence?
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  It's great thing for chat GPT.
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  It's great for writing papers and stories and paragraphs.
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  It's great for looking up things, but there's so much more to it.
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  And there's gonna be a whole lot more that we should pay attention to.
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  Right now, I'm gonna bring an expert in in this field.
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  His name is Jason Ho.
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  He is the CEO of Techlium.
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  Jason, welcome to the program.
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  Great to have you.
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  Appreciate it.
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  Thank you for having me here.
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  Yeah, we are we're glad you're here.
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  And you know, I was looking at your background, and your background is really impressive.
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  You actually worked on semiconductors on F-35s, and that's what your business is.
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  And I found it very interesting that you talk a lot about China.
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  I see China as America's largest adversary, and really our only concern on the world stage, we see how they steal all the intellectual property.
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  And according to you and the information that you've put out, you say that everything that we use that has a semiconductor in it, which is almost everything we use, all of that comes from China.
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  Am I right in that?
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  Incorrectly, because Chinese, not only Chinese, a single group and related by blood, a family group, they control almost the world syndicate industry.
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  You talk about the CEOs of NVD, AMD, TSMC, most of the semiconductor companies in Taiwan, Huawei, they are all related by blood.
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  Yeah, yeah.
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  And it would be great if we could get some of that back here in America, and we could become the dominant nation in the world.
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  And we we see that Elon Musk and um Donald Trump, they brought up Stargate.
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  What do you think the objective is here and how long is this going to take to uh develop?
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  And I think I have a little bit different point of view of AI because people focus on the AI, that's correct.
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  But uh, we also need to look at another thing that's the data associated to AI.
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  And AI requires a large amount of data.
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  Why is that?
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  And because using the AI, they can collect data freely without any legal concerns.
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  If people collecting data, and definitely there were legal consequences, you might find a lawsuit to violate privacy.
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  But what if AI does it?
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  That's the loophole for AI.
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  So AI actually associated with very large amount of data.
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  2023, they collected about 230 zettabytes, and the last year the estimated can reach to 400 bytes.
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  One zetta byte is a one million terabytes.
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  So can imagine how much information they're taking from us.
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  Yeah.
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  And they're getting it from just about everywhere, aren't they?
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  And we're unaware of it.
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  They're pulling all this information in.
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  And I even for this show, the truth be told with Booker Scott, I check AI every once in a while.
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  I'll check Grok, I check Meta.
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  And the reason why I do that, I want to make sure that I'm presenting things the way that I want to.
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  I don't want to be too far right.
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  I want to be fair, but I want to, you know, I I want to be objective.
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  And I want to, and I use AI to do that because everything that I say on this program and that you're saying right now is collected.
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  And we're completely unaware of the massive data collection that's going on, aren't we?
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  That's correct.
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  Because first, AI collect data, but that's one more thing, it's very, very horrible because actually, when AI runs so perfectly, they need human human beings, yes, human beings, not computers, to curate those data.
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  The minimum estimations, they need about a hundred thousand data experts or data architects, but uh there's another number from the one of FCC report, the Federal Communication Commission, they report estimate about 30 to 40 million people actually are currently those data collected from us.
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  So without us knowing, our data is being collected, and from that, what happens?
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  What happens with that data?
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  Where does it go?
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  And how does artificial intelligence use it?
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  So actually they use human beings to regulate those data.
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  People doesn't know that.
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  No people think you talk to JDP, you you talk to the and they ask the some AI to create some beautiful and image for you.
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  You think that's AI does this.
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  No, AI has no comprehension, AI has no knowledge, it has no conscience.
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  Actually, there's a large amount of people working behind, try to dissect the data they collect it and make it becoming a piece by piece, make it become meaningful, they can put together for something new.
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  So actually, they need a huge large human power to do that.
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  So usually if you hire a person to look at its data, it takes money.
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  But in China it's free.
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  So human beings are actually creating the pictures that we make through artificial intelligence.
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  If we ask uh any of these services to create uh a picture of the sunset, that's actually a human being that is putting that together.
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  That's correct.
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  That people doesn't want to the industry doesn't want to tell you because the human beings, oh, we call the data expert and call the curators, is actually needed for analyze to manage to categorize those data to make it becoming piece by piece meaningful once they put it together as a sentence or picture or something you want to ask.
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  And you are telling us that those people that are doing that, they're in China and they're creating those images that we are viewing here.
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  Because that's free, because if you want to hire a person in America, you have to pay for it.
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  You have a person, even in India, I have to pay for it.
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  But the China, it does it for free.
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  I didn't know they wanted this for free because they can get all the information from us.
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  Also, they can control information, they can manipulate information.
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  And so now when you consider all of our data and the fact that you know we're we're always concerned who is getting our data and where is it going?
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  And we know that China has stolen and has tried to steal, and obviously they've been successful on it.
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  But now we know why, don't we?
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  One of the reasons why is because they are actually creating the images and they are they is it human beings that are writing for us the things that we ask them to write?
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  Like I will ask uh Grok on X to do this for me, and literally in seconds, I have an answer.
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  How does that happen?
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  It's not human beings, it's uh it's uh human beings to dissect data, analyze those data and put in piecewise, so they can put a tag or put a coding if I do the easy way, just like put a and the category numbers in the very, very big libraries.
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  When you ask something, they try to check your category numbers once they hit, they will put something meaningful to you.
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  Okay, so actually, they are human beings involved that need to put everything in order.
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  Okay, so they get our information, and from that they create something, and of course, when you're writing code, everything is in numbers.
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  There, there it's not letters.
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  So they write that, and when something is tagged and somebody asks it to do something, then it grabs that tag and it throws something together for you.
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  Is that simplifying the process?
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  That's correct.
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  And the actual price is quite as sophisticated, and also there's a lot of intelligence behind, but that's correct.
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  Yeah, simplifying move.
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  I Jason, I'm pretty good at making difficult things easy because it has to be easy for me to understand it.
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  Um, so I hear things and then I spit it out where it's easy to understand.
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  Uh so now let's get to Elon Musk and Donald Trump and what they hope to do.
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  What does that mean for America?
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  And then what does that mean for Americans?
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  I always want to share knowledge and formation to the and especially the people in the conservative field, have to notice that data is something quite evil.
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  And because AI is driven by China, China is never kindly to drive something to benefit the world.
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  China drives the AI because they can use that N to hide intention to collect data free from us.
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  Also, when under the AIN the analyze to look at this data, look at the privacy to know everything, every secret about us, even our and hardworking intelligence properties, and when they everything under the AI becoming legitimate.
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  So this is something issue.
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  But the one thing also difficult because data collection, we call the big data.
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  This is a trillion dollars of business.
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  Why is it so worthy?
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  Why is the price so high?
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  It's just like something so big, no one dare to touch, just like Trump want to cut some funding and uh waste from the government, people be angry.
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  The same thing.
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  They don't allow people to talk about big data because the magnitude, the value for this business too big, so no one dare to touch it.
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  Yeah, it's almost overwhelming in some ways for so many people to comprehend, I believe.
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  And so when you're talking and saying those things, to me, I equate that in some ways to the southern border.
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  If we are going to have a southern a sovereign nation, if we want a sovereign nation, then we also need to have.
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  Our data, and we need to have our own ability to create artificial intelligence as opposed to China.
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  We would also we would want to close or build a wall between us and China when it comes to semiconductors and artificial intelligence, uh intellectual property, all of those things, so that we also keep America sovereign in that way, wouldn't we?
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  So the AI actually is break that sovereignty.
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  Because AI can collect whatever you do legally, illegally, like you design the and the beautiful engineering and the device, or like you write a beautiful point or make a beautiful song, a good book, because the human being in China, those Chinese can look at your data, dissect it, make useful pieces, and then can put together for something new.
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  That's their work.
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  So whatever you do, and when you say, Oh, I can get a free image from the AI, I can get a beautiful song from AI, even can write codes from AI.
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  But when you do that, I remember you are depriving the real humans' right and real humans' effort.
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  Before we started this conversation, you and I were speaking off air, and you were talking about uh the legal problems that exist with artificial intelligence and loopholes.
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  Let's talk about cars that drive themselves for a minute.
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  They have a car accident.
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  Who's responsible?
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  They run over somebody on a bicycle.
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  Who is responsible?
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  No, by the current law, it looks like the trend is because it's AI driving and uh the company off the hook.
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  There's no problem.
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  Then you have to just uh pay by yourself.
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  Yeah, once we hit by car down the driving, that's your bedlock.
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  That's your responsibility.
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  Yeah, there needs to be some legislation around this, doesn't it?
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  There needs to be more laws.
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  We're kind of behind the times when it comes to artificial intelligence and laws, I believe.
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  And would you agree with that, Jason?
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  I talk to the lawmakers in Washington, DC in various many, many trips.
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  It's difficult, very difficult.
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  The reason is very simple.
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  Money behind.
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  And just I talk about the medical insurance for insurer to be responsible for any decision to accept or deny the medical claim.
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  They have to face potential lawsuits, they're huge liability.
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  But if AI can do that, then they're free off the hook.
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  They can scrap off all the legal costs because you cannot suit any insurance anymore because when they deny it, AI denied it, it's not human beings.
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  And why is money involved?
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  Because they provide a huge financial benefit to those big companies.
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  It's very hard to ask lawmakers, please think about our humble citizens.
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  It's difficult.
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  We don't have money to lobby the and the lawmakers.
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  And also, I think that maybe the lawmakers don't have a grasp on this as well.
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  When it comes to TikTok, we hear all about the TikTok ban.
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  We uh saw Donald Trump a couple of weeks ago say that, well, we're gonna own it.
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  He extended the time on the TikTok ban, and he says, What about if we just own 50% of it?
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  It's worth a trillion dollars.
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  That's 500 billion dollars for America.
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  But if the problem with TikTok is that they are getting our data, why wouldn't we just go ahead and ban it anyway, regardless of the money?
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  That's another in the jungle, because TikTok, very unique, it's different than the YouTube, because T Top actually actively recording our audio and the video when you use the TikTok.
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  They collect those video images, audio images, and uh for the analysis to create something new and interesting.
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  So there's nothing free for this world.
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  And when China pushes TikTok so much, and the problem is not only the censorship, the problem is not who's behind.
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  The problem is even TikTok becoming American company, but those data are still sent into the big data database, and someone, especially in China, because they are free, they will look at those data, analyze those data.
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  And as we started this conversation, we were talking about semiconductors being in everything that we use, and they are in China, and of course, that's how they can ultimately take our data and our information, isn't it?
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  That's exactly this is a Chinese ambitions interview.
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  So I wrote a book about it, and uh, and uh I called it the big plot.
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  So I talk about my book here.
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  And uh the and uh we I talk about the China actually, they prepare modern day since 1978.
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  They're leader than Xiaoping because I know people hate China and people think China is evil, but I also want to say one thing in balance because China can be so influential and called everything out of guard because they planned this for a long time ago.
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  We must uh the mire they are their evil, yeah, and uh and they can play things so far away.
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  So 1978, they should decided China must control two industry communication and a semiconductor.
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  Even back to 1978, very few people understand what is semiconductor, what is communication going to do in the future?
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  Yeah, it's amazing how China has such long-term plans.
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  And unfortunately, America, we live in a two-year election cycle, maybe four years, and then things change, and we're watching that right now, changing from Joe Biden to Donald Trump.
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  But you are talking about 1978, and you look at the Belt and Road from China and the things that they've done around the world with it, they have very long-term goals, and they're very patient, aren't they, when it comes to these things?
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  Resources is here, we live under the face.
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  We live a life, we believe in human value.
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  China, they have no such consensus, they have no such concept.
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  The only purpose for them is how to control the war, how to manage the world, how to manipulate the world.
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  No matter this is uh in their lifetime or in their descendants' lifetime, and that's their only purpose for the core of power.
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  I didn't mention the Chinese people, but I talk about the Chinese common party.
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  Yeah, yeah, the the CCP in China is the problem, not the Chinese people.
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  And of course, China is beautiful.
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  I I know that it is.
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  My parents took a cruise there years ago and uh just talked uh talked about it and said it was very beautiful place.
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  As we end this segment here, what do we need to look for as we go forward in the field of our artificial in the field of artificial intelligence?
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  To look it look into the data, the data AI took, and that's the core, that's the problem.
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  If there's no law, no regulations on how AI can take data away from us, that will be problematic forever.
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  And how concerned should American people be with this problem and with their data being collected?
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  I think they should put the highest order, and actually it's quite serious because with those data collection, they can do so many evil things, including the influence delection forever.
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  Yeah.
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  And that's what we have seen them do.
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  One more question about TikTok.
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  Uh uh, since you're an expert on this, I have always heard that in China, TikTok is used, and the the children that use it, they use it for education, and that's what they are allowed to see.
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  But in America, if you watch TikTok, which I don't, but I've seen it, and it's it's just a mess, the things that that people put on TikTok, the videos.
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  It's yeah, some of them are fun, they're they're cute, and but but a lot of it's just terrible.
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  And that's what our youth is learning is from TikTok there.
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  And it's a terrible influence on them.
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  Is China allowing that and doing that on purpose?
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  On children, because TikTok is only software and studying the children's eye, which is viewers' eye, starting their eye movement, starting their eye reactions and studying their facial reactions according to the video.
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  China used that to control the students to find out any outliers.
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  When they say how great the company's party is, if they some see something any and uh unhappy, angry about it, they will flag that person, that is young children, they need to collect them from the beginning or buy them on to anything important from the society.
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  So when TikTok becomes so important too to monitor the children, their mental state from the childhood, and if we allow the American to use TikTok, allowing China to do the same thing on every American people.
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  You can you imagine how worse it's going to be.
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  So, Jason, let me ask you a final question.
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  Should Donald Trump ban TikTok?
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  Should he let that happen?
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  I want to say definitely should ban it because we have much, we have something much greater.
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  Because the because billionaires, our information, our invention cannot go up to the White House, not go to the elite, go to the powerful people.
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  But I hope Donald Trump can look at the middle-sized, small-sized companies, actually, that the greatest people in America, they contribute the most, they have so many wonderful technology that can easily replace the T Top, probably in very short time frame.
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  Jason Ho is his name.
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  He is the CEO of Techlium.
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  Jason, thank you so much for coming on the program and uh sharing your knowledge on artificial intelligence.
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  I really do appreciate it.
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  I would love to have you back sometime.
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  Sure.
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  Thank you.
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  It's my pleasure.
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  Glad to have you.
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  Great to have you tonight.
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  You know, through America's history, we've had a lot of different political parties.
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  Right now we have two parties.
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  I know that I'm not.
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  And along the way, we've had the Libertarian Party, we've had the Green Party, and both of them really try to get their own candidates, and they have tried to become their own party.
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  Along the way, there's been the Tea Party that really just fits into the Republican Party and tries to steer them in certain directions and have candidates work for them underneath the Republican apparatus.
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  Well, we have a new party that has emerged over the last couple of years.
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  And right now we're going to bring in one of the people that founded that party.
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  It's called We the People, and his name is Levi Leatherberry.
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  Levi, welcome to the program.
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  Glad to have you.
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  Yeah, thank you for having me.
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  So what gives you the motivation to do this?
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  Why do you think you can make a difference with we the people?
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  So basically I've actually worked for a lot of the other third parties.
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  Uh some of the ones that you mentioned, and even some that you didn't, like the Ford Party, no labels, all these other parties.
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  And so I got hands-on experience with the ballot all over the country, and I realized how expensive it was, how you know how crazy expensive it is.
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  Uh, you know, Democrats and Republicans, when they run candidates, they don't often have to deal with ballot issues at all.
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  So there's two races that an independent has to run.
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  They have to run a ballot race, and then they have to run a r just the normal race.
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  Yeah.
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  So usually about 85, 95% of your money is eaten up by that ballot race.
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  So it makes it so hard for new ideas and new candidates to get in.
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  Well, you were talking about it.
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  Levi, let me jump in real quick because you brought up independence, and I think that's really what you guys are trying to do here is lift the voices of independence, not a Republican, not a Democrat.
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  You don't want to find somebody to, you know, but uh force into uh your shoe and your thoughts, but you're really trying to take independence, whether it's at local level or state level, whatever that may be, and you're trying to help them maybe aggregate this group of independence, because right now they're completely on their own.
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  And where I'm wrong, please correct me, but it seems like maybe that's your idea.
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  It's not necessarily to start a new party, but really just give the voice to independence.
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  Uh, who we work with, but we also work with uh Democrats and Republicans who get kicked out in the primaries.
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  So any of the real reform candidates, whether the if they're Republicans who, you know, they have new ideas, they're passionate, they actually want to drain the swamp, they usually get kicked out in the primaries and they never get a chance to run.
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  You know, usually it's the guy who behind closed doors makes an agreement to take money from the problem, whether it's housing or health care or wars, and so they make that agreement, and then that's why they get through the primaries because a lot of people don't know in America that primaries are hand selected.
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  So, you know, you vote and you get to do all these votings, but actually the party leaders uh at the state level can control that in 30,000 plus races on average per se.
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  And so they can manipulate that to the outcomes they want from a governor down the school board.
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  And that's why you get the same kind of candidates from these parties, and it never changes is because they can manipulate that easily with bylaws at the party level, you know.
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  And so we we we just try to work with anybody who wants to make change.
• 26:14
  And the bulk of that will be independence because in America now over the last few decades, it's grown more and more independent as people have become disillusioned with the two party system, and they do they just want reform.
• 26:26
  They just want things to work.
• 26:27
  They're not particularly ideological.
• 26:29
  They just go, hey, uh, I see in my town, we're not fixing roads, we're not you know, funding the schools, we're not we're not you know, getting healthier and cheaper, you know.
• 26:39
  And so we're for those people who just want to do reform and will work with anybody, and we're not ideological.
• 26:45
  We're based on doing the top five issues of every uh voter group that you work for.
• 26:51
  So if you run for a district, you just ask the people in that district what are their biggest issues, and that's what you run on.
• 26:57
  You actually represent even if let's uh uh Levi, if you have someone that works on the far left fringe, you know, really what's taking over the Democrat Party right now.
• 27:09
  They don't make it through the um primary, they're not on the ballot, they get kicked out as you were talking about.
• 27:15
  Can they come to you?
• 27:16
  Or is there absolutely uh uh some type of ideology?
• 27:20
  Meaning you said there is no ideology, you we work with anybody.
• 27:24
  Would you work with that person, or would you also work with somebody on the far right fringe?
• 27:30
  Who is it exactly that you work with?
• 27:33
  So, I mean, we we do have the legal structures of America, so the constitution is important to us and all the things in it, and and upholding the values of state being the laboratories of democracy, but cities can also be the laboratory democracy, and we have ballot access in some of the most progressive areas of the country, Seattle, Portland, you know, be Oregon and Washington.
• 27:56
  We already have those with some of our earliest states that we have ballot access in.
• 28:00
  So we actually we usually have to deal with this issue a lot.
• 28:03
  And it turns out we're more competitive in those cities because if you're like a Republican candidate or a more conservative candidate, it's really hard to run as a Republican in Portland.
• 28:14
  Yeah, you know, to make reform to all their crazy policies, which have been there for decades and decades and decades, and nothing changes, and it gets worse and worse and worse.
• 28:23
  So third parties and independents can get in there and they can pull back on the craziness, actually like to have practical, you know, real solutions with the people who want at the local level who are desperate for change.
• 28:35
  They just can't go all the way Republican just because they're identity, you know, and their family and their friends, and they'll they'll pay big social costs.
• 28:42
  Whereas if they're independent, they can do it and they won't get like disowned by their family.
• 28:47
  Like they can't or disown by their community or or the same peer pressure.
• 28:51
  That's the world that we're living in is really competitive.
• 28:54
  Yeah, that's the world we're living in today.
• 28:56
  And the thing is, we focus on anti-corruption as our main like, you know, it's the thing that connects everybody.
• 29:02
  If you think far left candidates like in Portland or something, they're very useful when fighting against the Democrats because they'll go after the money.
• 29:10
  And they'll go after all the candidates and they go, hey, you're not funny our schools, you're not funny our stuff.
• 29:14
  So even if we don't agree with them on everything, uh being decentralized, you know, it they'll all their views will be limited to like a neighborhood in Portland.
• 29:25
  It's not gonna be at the state level in Oregon, which is you know, has a lot of very conservative people in the eastern parts of the state, who are very red.
• 29:33
  And and so like by actually representing the people, you naturally get all the extreme views out.
• 29:39
  Because what ends up happening is you go, okay, maybe in some small city in rural Oregon, you know, near Red Mender Bend, they will want, you know, very conservative values.
• 29:49
  And that's what the people want.
• 29:51
  And it actually works at that level if you implement those policies.
• 29:55
  Or in Portland, if you have some like crazier, you know, really far more.
• 30:00
  radical candidate, maybe in you know you know 10 block radius that works.
• 30:04
  But guess what?
• 30:05
  All that stuff, when you come up to the state level, that doesn't nobody's voting for that stuff.
• 30:10
  So by just asking people what they want, you naturally moderate extreme views and you focus on the money and the corruption and the fact that we're not fixing anything and that things are broken on purpose because it's profitable for hospitals to be broken.
• 30:25
  It's profitable for roads that you pay for you know for every road you build you pay for seven more.
• 30:31
  You know rural Oregon costs more than downtown Paris and they have the biggest labor unions in the world.
• 30:36
  You know they shut down cities.
• 30:38
  Yeah.
• 30:39
  And they're cheaper.
• 30:40
  They're way cheaper than our roads.
• 30:42
  Why?
• 30:43
  It's the insane level of graft on every project in America, there's graft.
• 30:49
  And it's because the Republicans and the Democrats are older than cars.
• 30:55
  So when the cars came out they got a piece of that action by regulating them and giving kickbacks to their relatives on the contracts, the federal contracts and and so you know whatever it's electricity, they get kickbacks on that to their family members.
• 31:09
  So no matter what it is, no more what topic it is, the money is just hemorrhaging out and that's a existential crisis to our country because as you you probably well know you know in eight, 10, 15 years, we're gonna the debt will surpass us to the point we can't catch up when we can't pay for things anymore.
• 31:29
  Right.
• 31:29
  You know we're at 38 trillion dollars credit rating.
• 31:32
  Yeah and so if we don't go after the money now we can't keep things together in 10 years.
• 31:38
  So like that's why anti-corruption is so important and and not fighting over ideological social issues which other parties can do that.
• 31:46
  They can if they want to go fight about that stuff they can go somewhere else but they actually want to get stuff done and get in there at the local level in the state level and get on those budgets and change the money so that healthcare is cheaper so that housing's cheaper so that roads are cheaper by cutting out these insane you know paying 800 times what it costs um then yeah like um so that so that's how we unify people we just focus on action and anti-corruption his name is and then we allow people to disagree.
• 32:16
  His name is Levi Leatherberry the name of the party is we the people they claim to be a minimalist a party and also decentralized.
• 32:27
  You can hear Levi say both of those things they're not necessarily an ideology and Levi I have to say I hear a very strong libertarian streak coming out on you when you say it doesn't matter that you know if you're you're a Democrat or a Republican it really doesn't matter what do you want at home where you live because I think that's what America is that sometimes we forget we get caught up in the ideology of MAGA or the left and we forget that as a republic and sometimes I see this on the MAGA side if we truly are a republic then we should live the way we want to live closest to where we live where we live and to do that we have to get involved locally in the politics and the only way to do that is to get active and be a part of it and then when you try to do that you bump into the apparatus that is the Republican and the Democrat Party what you're trying to do is bust through that how high up do you want to go in state politics because I think what you're trying to do can work in smaller local races but it may have a hard time as you work your way up into state government and then obviously into national government because it takes so much money.
• 33:40
  You've talked a lot about money what is your plan there?
• 33:43
  We do both we just let people do what they want to do.
• 33:46
  So like we have a governor candidate right now in New York because you know um they have a matching fund and the governor races aren't as competitive because the Democrats always win and so it's like a six to one matching thing so if they get 50 uh 500k they get three million dollars matched and so there's all these states where you can for smaller amounts of money be competitive just because you know over this is misnomer in America that we we challenge races we don't we have some of the lowest in the world of challenging leadership so about 70 plus percent 70 to 80% of all races in America have no challenger.
• 34:26
  There's zero you're guaranteed the job a hundred percent guaranteed the job controlling you know trillions of dollars every year at the local and state level they spend more than the federal government does so we talk about the federal government debt and spending which is crazy but it's even crazier at the state and local level where all those funds actually go and then they get dispersed to roles where nobody gets challenged for generations.
• 34:50
  Usually that's the father is the biggest indicator of if that person's gonna hold that office they just inherit it yeah so where it's like a kingdom they just inherit it and they inherit billions and billions of dollars like for example water board in LA so we'll run at a governor level if it's if it's a more competitive race or at least if that's somebody's really passionate like Larry Sharp in New York he wants to raise the issues at the that level and challenge some of the status quo issues that's great and he's already doing that and that's amazing or in the water boards in LA they have two billion dollars you know with no oversight really and so you can run these races where you control billions of dollars uh with sub 100 votes so it's call you know 50 votes 70 votes you know you go around two three blocks and you're running people who can control enormous budget.
• 35:43
  So if we run you know there in Oregon alone there's over uh about 2000 races we can run people and so if we get people in a two to five percent of those we can bankrupt the the major parties because the the good thing about the corruption in America is it's very centralized and they've never been challenged for l any living generation.
• 36:06
  So libertarians and greens they do not challenge in the vast majority of races they only you know libertarians tend to run where it benefits the Republicans Greens run where it tends to run benefit the Democrats so there's the vast majority are untouched.
• 36:21
  So the budgets are untouched the money's untouched nothing changes if the money doesn't change so by running these races if we get the five to ten percent of races in America there's so many local races that it bankrupts the national parties just by making them pay for a hundred times two hundred times a thousand times more than they're used to and their donor base cannot sustain that they're used to having a very very small percentage of races where they put all their money.
• 36:49
  So by spreading it out you make it very very hard for them to cover those and they're gonna have to leave those people exposed and then you know when you play favorites in a party there's consequences who's really MAGA who's really MAGA if you really believe in drain the swamp okay run with us we'll run you at the local level and it's free and then you can actually get your hands on that money and drain the swamp and actually cut out the people who are wasting money.
• 37:15
  And like if you're really on the left and you say you want to fix things for the next generation all this progressive issues where you want to make health care cheaper okay get into the state hospital system that regulates that money and cut the money down so it's more affordable so that big pharma isn't draining Americans of their life savings every time we get an injury.
• 37:36
  So like if people walk the talk and what they preach these ideas of helping Americans and we never see things change it's because the money never changes and so that's why we're so laser focused on anti-corruption and we will run at any level at any scale because it costs us the same.
• 37:53
  So if we get on a Zoom call with a couple water boards uh through California and the West Coast we're controlling billions of dollars and we can coordinate between each other and we don't need oversight we don't need to go through all these red tape and loops all loopholes that the Democrats republicans have to because they have to go all the way back to DC and all the way down the ladder and all the way up the ladder.
• 38:15
  So that's you know 20 or 12 different levels of approval in red tape we can just directly get on Zoom call and coordinate that money and that policy so we can kind of all those layers if someone is listening to this right now and they have an interest in joining with you partnering with you to try to get on a local school board or anything else locally how would they do that I know you have a website I want you to tell everybody what that is tell everyone what that process is there may be someone listening right now that says hey I want to do this how do I join we the people what's the process and what do we do?
• 38:53
  Yeah absolutely we have a candidate page on our national website where you go to it's uh WTP national dot com and on Twitter we're at WTP national at WTP national and that should be it in either places message us or reach out you know there's a a little chat that pops up there's a candidate form under the candidate section right on the front page of the website and then and I would have definitely encourage you to run your friends your family members of the community that you think are honorable or ethical who you think would be good leaders recommend them or talk to them and have them reach out to us.
• 39:31
  These are the people ordinary Americans are unless we get those people into power where they control the money and can actually make our lives tangibly better nothing will change.
• 39:41
  It'll just keep going and going because everything's broken because it benefits the current monopoly so you know whether it's electricity or you know wars or other things it's you know and so yeah absolutely we'll run anybody uh as long as we're you're you know you take the anti-corruption pledge
• 40:00
  But you're not going to take money from the the position to do the opposite with the position is.
• 40:05
  Right.
• 40:05
  Like you're not going to take money from Big Pharma when you're running to, you know, on a healthcare thing, right?
• 40:11
  You're not going to take money from the military industrial complex when you're trying to run a thing that's regulating it.
• 40:16
  Like usually the person who bribes you uh is the person, you know, is the subject of the thing you regulate.
• 40:25
  So as long as you like, you know, bring money from the people and ordinary people, and you're not going to do the opposite of what you say, which is the most common thing in politics.
• 40:36
  And we will fire you if you do that.
• 40:38
  If you're corrupt, our members with the local level can fire people.
• 40:42
  So the county level, they will vote for you in, and that's it.
• 40:45
  The state, you don't have to go to the state or the national.
• 40:48
  Your local boards can hire you or fire you, give you ballot access.
• 40:52
  So it's much faster and much easier to run for office with us because you don't have to go through anybody, you just go to your local group.
• 41:00
  But if you portray them and do the opposite of what you promised on your campaign, they won't run you again.
• 41:07
  Yeah.
• 41:07
  And so there's that's how we get good quality people over time because we have consequences for politicians who do the opposite of what they say they're gonna do.
• 41:16
  So whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, it really doesn't matter if you are we the people, and that's the name of this political party.
• 41:25
  I wouldn't even say it's a political party.
• 41:27
  I would say that it's a resource for everyday American people if you want to get involved and make a difference.
• 41:33
  And I hear so many people say that all the time.
• 41:35
  I want to do something, I want to make a difference.
• 41:37
  Here's your opportunity.
• 41:38
  We the people, it is a political party.
• 41:42
  And his name is Levi Leatherberry.
• 41:44
  The website is WTPnational.com.
• 41:48
  Would you go there?
• 41:49
  Would you check it out if you have a family member or a friend that you think should be running?
• 41:54
  Maybe they've talked about it.
• 41:55
  Show them this website.
• 41:57
  And Levi, thank you very much for joining the program tonight.
• 42:00
  I really do appreciate it.
• 42:01
  Great to meet you.
• 42:02
  And please come back and let's talk about some of the successes and some of the people that you have running as we get closer to some of these races.
• 42:09
  I'd love to do that.
• 42:10
  Levi, thank you so much.
• 42:12
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  We're gonna bring in a guest now, someone that is working for Tunnel to Towers, and we're gonna find out about Tunnels to Towers here in a few minutes.
• 44:03
  But first, let me introduce you to a New Yorker, Mary Ann Labella.
• 44:08
  She and I have been friends for years.
• 44:12
  Thank you, Booker.
• 44:13
  I appreciate it.
• 44:14
  Thank you for having me on your platform.
• 44:16
  Yeah, and one thing that I think is interesting that you and I kind of share, and a lot of people don't know this about me either.
• 44:22
  But I had worked in corporate media, cumulus media, iHeartRadio.
• 44:27
  It got gone in different markets, Tampa Bay, Orlando, Nashville, a lot of different places working in radio in media, corporate media.
• 44:36
  And I kind of got to a point where for me, my convictions on the country and other things outweighed my ability and my want to in the corporate world.
• 44:49
  So here I am on America Out Loud Talk Radio with you right now, and you sort of have that same journey.
• 44:56
  Your convictions and your mission overtook your corporate world to lead you to tunnels to towers.
• 45:04
  So let's start the conversation there, and then we'll get to the other stuff later.
• 45:09
  Well, thank you, Booker, and thank you for acknowledging that.
• 45:12
  Um so than anything else.
• 45:18
  Um like we like we discussed, um, I was working in the corporate world, making six figures, commuting into the city every day, um, two hours each way, and the atmosphere was one that I thought to felt like was re was a reality if you wanted to make that kind of money.
• 45:39
  Um as I got older, I felt that my um my priorities were changing.
• 45:46
  I was getting closer to God, I was getting more spiritual, and I felt that I felt that my life was not in the right direction.
• 45:55
  And I really had to reflect on whether that was for me and how I wanted to kind of uh end my life.
• 46:06
  I mean, is this what I want?
• 46:07
  Is this the path I want in my in my 50s?
• 46:11
  And I said, absolutely not.
• 46:14
  Um the world is crumbling around us as you as you mentioned.
• 46:18
  Um, what can I do?
• 46:21
  I mean, we we go on Twitter every day, we tweet and tweet.
• 46:24
  Yeah, um, I'm a poll watcher, I'm I'm in I'm in there in the weeds, but I feel like you know it's not enough.
• 46:32
  And I had this opportunity.
• 46:35
  Um, actually I was recommended to tunnels tunnels to towers, and I couldn't be happier.
• 46:41
  I'm making at least a hundred and fifty a hundred thousand less than I was making.
• 46:46
  Yeah, and I wouldn't trade it for the world.
• 46:49
  Tunnels towers is a great organization.
• 46:52
  Um, they treat their people um tremendously.
• 46:57
  Well, let's let's let's hang on to the tunnels of towers in a few minutes because I want to dig down a little bit deeper in to the decision making process to get you there because it's not easy.
• 47:08
  And I know there are people probably listening right now that maybe they are in the same type of situation that you and I both were in, which we were working for corporate uh company, lot very large companies.
• 47:20
  For me, I was working for the largest media company in the country in reach, meaning that iHeartRadio reaches about 250 million Americans every month.
• 47:31
  So you know, I I too took a sacrifice in doing what I'm doing uh financially, but yet for me, I just couldn't do it anymore.
• 47:42
  I couldn't, I I got to a point where um I'm not gonna make these liberal corporations another dime, not one more dime.
• 47:51
  Exactly.
• 47:53
  Did you get there too?
• 47:55
  Absolutely.
• 47:56
  I was so sick of really like working like a dog, and they didn't were loyal, they didn't care about you anymore.
• 48:07
  I mean, it's different now.
• 48:11
  You're uh I started um when I came out of college, I graduated from pace and I and I went straight to JP Morgan.
• 48:18
  JP Morgan was ahead to work for.
• 48:20
  It was only 250 people, they treated you great, and then it just expanded and it just got worse and worse.
• 48:27
  But but come to your point about changing your perspective about life.
• 48:32
  See, you this is this is important.
• 48:35
  You have a family to worry about financially.
• 48:38
  I don't.
• 48:38
  Yeah, so your sacrifice was much more than mine.
• 48:41
  You know, like I didn't have anybody to worry about.
• 48:44
  Nobody depends on me financially.
• 48:46
  So you can see across the spectrum of fine, you know, where you are in life, anybody can make this decision.
• 48:54
  And really, money's not everything.
• 48:56
  I mean, you can uh obviously right now it it kind of is because everything is so expensive.
• 49:01
  Right.
• 49:02
  But when you leave at the end of the day, you go out of there with a smile on your face.
• 49:07
  No one, maybe you change one person's life.
• 49:10
  And um at Toublet Towers, uh, let me just speak a little bit about that.
• 49:15
  Yeah, let's go.
• 49:15
  Let's let's talk about tunnels for towers.
• 49:18
  Yeah, I don't want to talk too much about it because I don't I don't know how much I can say.
• 49:22
  Um, you know, from uh but a little bit, a little bit about the organization, real quick.
• 49:26
  I'll fill in some boys.
• 49:28
  Um this is stiller, he uh he lost his brother and he started this organization, Tunnel to Towers, and they were hurt they were helping uh paid the mortgages of first responders who passed on the on the job.
• 49:41
  Now they kind of morphed into or expanded into veterans, and they're helping now veterans um build they're building smart homes for veterans who come back maybe uh with one leg or one arm.
• 49:55
  I mean, they really do a lot.
• 49:57
  And let me just say, Booker, that they don't solicit.
• 50:00
  It at all.
• 50:01
  And the phone is constantly ringing of people who want to help.
• 50:04
  So this you everybody knows somebody who's in law enforcement in one way or another.
• 50:10
  And for any donation or anything that they do, they really do a lot for the veterans and the first responders.
• 50:19
  Um and I know that education as well.
• 50:23
  They started going into schools to teach about 9 11, because of course we don't want to forget.
• 50:28
  And it really is really a place where you know you feel good.
• 50:35
  I feel great.
• 50:36
  I am like the person that I was born to be.
• 50:40
  Um I uh I'm happy as I've ever been.
• 50:43
  You know, 56 years old.
• 50:45
  So it took a long time coming, but you know, in life, people have to make hard decisions.
• 50:51
  And this administration and this economy and everything, the crime.
• 50:57
  I mean, now is the time really to reflect and see how bad it is and see how you can help, because it's going to take all of us to do that.
• 51:06
  A couple of things about Tunnels to Towers Foundation and also the Wounded Warriors is another one of those.
• 51:13
  They do great work.
• 51:14
  And I know you are familiar with both of those organizations.
• 51:19
  And what a relief it is for those people that have lost that breadwinner to have a mortgage paid for.
• 51:28
  When you talk about a spiritual journey, it's so much easier for a sport spiritual journey if you don't have that financial crush on you.
• 51:35
  And if you can imagine being a single mom of three or four kids, maybe two or one, whatever that is, and all of a sudden the main breadwinner is no longer able to do that and is no longer present there.
• 51:48
  What a relief it is to have a paid for mortgage that you don't have to you don't have to write that check month after month.
• 51:56
  And yeah, you know, that allows the mom or or the dad.
• 52:00
  I don't want to just say the mom, but it allows that children.
• 52:04
  Yeah, yeah, and mainly the children for their spiritual welfare and their mostly their future, uh, their education and and that security that you get.
• 52:16
  And that's both Tunnels to Towers and Wounded Warrior.
• 52:19
  We're talking to Mary Ann Labella from New York, who happens to work for Tunnels to Towers, and really talking also about her spiritual journey, because she kind of got to a point in life where she wanted to make a difference.
• 52:33
  And that's one thing that I do on this show from time to time.
• 52:37
  I'll spotlight one person that's made a difference, made the choice to make a difference because all great ideas come from really one person.
• 52:46
  There's a spark in a head that says, I want to do this, and then something comes from it.
• 52:52
  We see it everywhere, all over us, all over the place every day.
• 52:55
  And I'm glad to have Mary Ann here.
• 52:58
  A little bit about that spiritual journey.
• 53:00
  It's a hard, difficult decision to say, okay, I'm going to sacrifice financially to do this, but it means so much more now to you, and you get so much more fulfillment in your life than you ever did with that large six-figure income, don't you?
• 53:18
  Absolutely.
• 53:19
  Absolutely.
• 53:21
  I mean, it's also very emotional, Booker.
• 53:25
  One thing that we seem to forget is the church, if you happen to be a Christian, the church is not a building, and it's not a steeple, but the church is the people.
• 53:36
  And we are to be the workers, the hands and the feet of Jesus as we come into this Easter weekend.
• 53:44
  That's really as simple as the church is.
• 53:46
  I happen to be one that goes to a building to fellowship with other Christians weekly, uh, a couple of times a week, but I need that.
• 53:55
  And but I think it's lost on so many people that really that is what church is, the body of Christ, the hands and the feet, and that's what you're describing.
• 54:06
  Let's let's be that person.
• 54:08
  Let's let's be that Christian.
• 54:11
  We have to wake up, you know.
• 54:14
  Years ago, a Christian would get up on Sunday, get dressed, go to go to church or whatever, and go visit family.
• 54:22
  It's not there's no foundation anymore in the family.
• 54:26
  And I think it's because of the technology, obviously, the phones.
• 54:30
  But I think parents are very uh uh I mean, not every parent, but I think the focus is on themselves now, yeah.
• 54:40
  Rather they'll just buy their kid whatever they need, and I mean sometimes I a lot of the times I read some of these stories and I'm like, where is the parents?
• 54:49
  You know, uh take for example, some of those people are beating up other people, like you know, like animals, like where are you is your mother and father?
• 54:59
  Right, don't they see you online and acting like that?
• 55:03
  I mean, it's crazy, it really is.
• 55:05
  But you know, when you when you think about it and you can really uh it's a big decision to make, obviously.
• 55:13
  Um I had uh I had a pastor on the show Friday night, and he said this toward the end of our conversation that in the end, all that's going to matter, and he's been a pastor for 40 years, and he said it this way.
• 55:30
  It doesn't really matter what you do in your life, it comes down to three things.
• 55:34
  It comes down to family, friends, and faith.
• 55:39
  And the decision that you made to give up the money to do something you're passionate about falls right in line with that family, faith, and friends.
• 55:52
  And right, that's the most important thing.
• 55:54
  You talked about getting older and perspective changes, and we're about the same age, so I understand exactly what you're talking about.
• 56:02
  Perspective does change, and you've made a a leap, and I'm thankful for knowing you and grateful for that.
• 56:09
  And thank you for coming on.
• 56:11
  Please again tell everyone the tunnels of tower website if you can do that.
• 56:16
  And I really just appreciate you spending the time here.
• 56:19
  Yep, it's Tuttleton Towers uh.org.
• 56:22
  And you can get in contact with me on Twitter.
• 56:25
  My handle is at MAGA M-A-G-A 2A rights, R I G H T S.
• 56:32
  And thank you so much, Booker, for allowing me to come on your great platform and just tell my story, and hopefully um, someone out there hears it and kind of feels the same way.
• 56:43
  And I appreciate you.
• 56:44
  God bless you, Booker.
• 56:45
  There is only one truth.
• 56:47
  You've been listening to The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott on America out loud.