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Credlin | 29 September · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Credlin, live from News 24.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening. Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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  Speaker 2: tonight on Credlin. Five would-be terrorists arrested yesterday in the UK,
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  Speaker 2: yet inexplicably all five are now out on bail. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get the latest out of London on the foiled terror
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  Speaker 2: plot as public outrage grows. We'll also speak to ex-AFP
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  Speaker 2: terrorism expert David Craig about our vulnerabilities here in Australia. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: experts warn AI-driven cyber attacks could cost Australian business up
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  Speaker 2: to $ 37 billion by 2030. More on arguments today that
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  Speaker 2: the federal government on this is asleep at the wheel.
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  Speaker 2: The campaign to stop the politicisation of the war memorial
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  Speaker 2: in Canberra gaining momentum. Tony Abbott's joined the fight. He'll
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  Speaker 2: be with me here on the set tonight with the latest.
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  Speaker 2: And that headline news today, Australia's cash rate increased to
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  Speaker 2: its highest levels in 15 years, but the Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 2: Governor says she was left with no choice.
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  Speaker 3: Today's increase in interest rates is needed to slow the
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  Speaker 3: economy and return inflation to target. Every household has seen
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  Speaker 3: how the price of everything has gone up in recent years.
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  Speaker 3: Pay packets don't go as far as they used to,
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  Speaker 3: and that's why we need to stop this high inflation.
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  Speaker 2: We'll start with that decision today by the Reserve Bank
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  Speaker 2: to yet again lift the cash rate on this occasion
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  Speaker 2: by 25 basis points to a 15-year high of 4.6%. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you'd have to go back to the era when Julia
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  Speaker 2: Gillard ran the country in 2011 to see a cash
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  Speaker 2: rate this high. Indeed, around the world, we're now the
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  Speaker 2: gold medalist in a shocking race to have the highest
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  Speaker 2: cash rate of any major advanced economy. Just look at
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  Speaker 2: Labor's appalling record since Australians first elected Anthony Albanese in 2022.
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  Speaker 2: Though Labor, it blames global events.
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  Speaker 4: We do have serious challenges in our economy. Our inflation
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  Speaker 4: challenge is being turbocharged by a war on the other
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  Speaker 4: side of the world. Australians are paying a very hefty
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  Speaker 4: price for that war in the Middle East and today
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  Speaker 4: that price became a bit steeper.
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  Speaker 2: It was Morrison's fault, it was COVID's fault, it was
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  Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine and now it's the war in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: But you can't be this unlucky 16 times, Jim Chalmers.
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  Speaker 2: And by Albanese's own standards set when he was opposition leader, well,
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  Speaker 2: Labor have failed us. Back then, of course, Albanese didn't
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  Speaker 2: even know the basic numbers.
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  Speaker 5: What's the national unemployment rate?
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  Speaker 2: The national unemployment rate at the moment is.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's 5.4.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm not sure what it is.
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  Speaker 8: Do you know what the figures are? Yeah, it's 0.1
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  Speaker 8: is the cash rate.
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  Speaker 2: Now, did you pick that up? That was the campaign
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  Speaker 2: in 2022. Did you pick up that number? 0.1%, he said,
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  Speaker 2: was the cash rate. And then he was elected Prime Minister. Now,
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  Speaker 2: four years in, It's 4.6%. Yet unbelievably, Albanese says it's
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  Speaker 2: not his fault. After 16 rate rises, an average new
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  Speaker 2: mortgage in Australia now costs more than $ 30, 000 a year
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  Speaker 2: in interest than when Labor was first elected back then.
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  Speaker 2: And this pain, it's not our fault. Australians are forced
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  Speaker 2: to tighten our belts because our government in Canberra will
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  Speaker 2: not tighten its belt. Because Labor refuses to rein in
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  Speaker 2: record high government spending. Because Labor uses taxpayer money to
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  Speaker 2: buy your vote. Like wiping $ 3 billion off in HECS
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  Speaker 2: debts at the last election to buy the vote of
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  Speaker 2: uni students. Like handing out $ 300 million to a raft
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  Speaker 2: of multicultural groups with over 90% of the money allocated
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  Speaker 2: to Labor-held seats. Like a $ 6 million sweetheart deal to
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  Speaker 2: a golf club 200 metres from the PM's own back fence.
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  Speaker 2: Under the Albanese government, spending as a percentage of GDP
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  Speaker 2: is the highest in 40 years outside the pandemic. And
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  Speaker 2: before Chalmers blames the coalition alone for that COVID spending,
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  Speaker 2: none of us have forgotten that Labor wanted that spending
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  Speaker 2: to stay in place longer than it did. So if
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  Speaker 2: Chalmers had got his way, our $ 1 trillion debt would
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  Speaker 2: be even worse. Now, if you think that rising interest
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  Speaker 2: rates will make it easier for first-term buyers to get
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  Speaker 2: into the market, well, think again. This is where Labor
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't get it. Rising interest rates mean that people
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  Speaker 2: have to earn more in order to service their loan.
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  Speaker 2: And if they can't prove that to the bank when
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  Speaker 2: they apply, well, their loan won't be approved. Anyone out
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  Speaker 2: there now with a deposit and hoping to buy into
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  Speaker 2: the market is also hit hard, now having to come
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  Speaker 2: up with thousands more in their deposit just because of
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  Speaker 2: today's decision. And that presupposes, of course, that there's even
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  Speaker 2: a property on the market for them to buy. Right
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  Speaker 2: around the country, there's a crisis of confidence in our
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  Speaker 2: housing market. We're seeing worryingly low auction clearance rates and
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  Speaker 2: a huge amount of stock languishing, in part because buyers
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  Speaker 2: are not there, but also because those selling can't afford
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  Speaker 2: to cut their prices any further, lest they sell their
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  Speaker 2: home for less than what they owe the bank. Now,
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  Speaker 2: few countries on earth have the high level of household
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  Speaker 2: indebtedness that we do in Australia. In terms of household
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  Speaker 2: debt to GDP, we are a very sorry second beaten
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  Speaker 2: out just by Switzerland. And this statistics even worse when
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  Speaker 2: household debt is measured not as a percentage of gross
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  Speaker 2: domestic product, but as a share of annual household disposable income.
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  Speaker 2: Under that measure, Australian households owe over 210% of their income.
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  Speaker 2: Given we're already a country with some of the highest
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  Speaker 2: personal income tax rates in the world, this gives households
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  Speaker 2: very little wriggle room to make ends meet. This is
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  Speaker 2: why people are hurting. Something Pauline Hanson today was straight
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  Speaker 2: out of the blocks to acknowledge, demanding the Treasurer's resignation.
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  Speaker 9: Labor is running this country into the ground. The best
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  Speaker 9: thing Jim Chalmers could do today is implement One Nation's
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  Speaker 9: super pay boost. Then he should resign.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday, when the government closed out the books on the
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  Speaker 2: last financial year with the release of what's called the
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  Speaker 2: final budget outcome documents, well, what wasn't reported widely enough
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  Speaker 2: in those books was the fact that $ 64 billion of
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  Speaker 2: spending has been hidden off budget. So when Labor reported
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  Speaker 2: yesterday a deficit of $ 22 billion, it's actually $ 88 billion
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  Speaker 2: in the red, not $ 22. And by the end of
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  Speaker 2: the decade, so in just four years' time, taxpayers will
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  Speaker 2: be spending a whopping $ 32 billion in net interest payments
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  Speaker 2: to service our trillion-dollar debt. $ 32 billion in interest alone. Or,
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  Speaker 2: let's express that another way, that's $ 32, 000 million. This is
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  Speaker 2: money that in a majority of cases is sent offshore
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  Speaker 2: to service our debt. It's not paying off the capital
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  Speaker 2: at all. It's just interest. And like all interest, it's
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  Speaker 2: dead money. Here is finance expert Mark Bouros.
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  Speaker 10: The Commonwealth debt alone, the interest repayment will soon be
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  Speaker 10: costing more than Medicare. per year. And yet, Mark, between
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  Speaker 10: now and over the next 10 years, this government is
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  Speaker 10: not going to run a single surplus. They're spending more
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  Speaker 10: money every year than they're saving. Tens of billions of dollars.
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  Speaker 8: Off the mark.
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  Speaker 6: When I say that the government spends 26.9% of GDP
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  Speaker 6: on government expenditure, they only raise 24.1% of GDP from taxes.
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  Speaker 6: So there's a gap. And what you're talking about now
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  Speaker 6: is the gap, how they fund the gap between what
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  Speaker 6: they spend and what they raise. And what you're talking
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  Speaker 6: about here is government debt, federal government debt or Commonwealth
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  Speaker 6: government debt.
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  Speaker 11: And this is the.
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  Speaker 6: Trillion dollar thing everyone keeps talking about. Our Commonwealth government
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  Speaker 6: debt is at a trillion dollars. And that trillion dollars
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  Speaker 6: has been borrowed by this government and previous governments, but
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  Speaker 6: has been continued to be borrowed by this government. And
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  Speaker 6: you have to pay interest on that. And that interest
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  Speaker 6: bill is what you're talking about is going to get bigger,
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  Speaker 6: will soon be bigger than the amount of money they
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  Speaker 6: spend every year on Medicare.
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  Speaker 11: In other words, put it back to a household.
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  Speaker 6: It's a bit like having such huge borrowings that you
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  Speaker 6: spend more money on your interest on your borrowings at
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  Speaker 6: home than you do on, say, your kid's education or
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  Speaker 6: putting food on the table. For this government to continually
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  Speaker 6: blame previous governments for the money that was spent during
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  Speaker 6: the pandemic. is a nonsense this government this current government
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  Speaker 6: the same treasurer the same prime minister during the pandemic
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  Speaker 6: they were complaining to the coalition that you weren't spending
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  Speaker 6: enough They were saying, you are not spending enough money.
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  Speaker 6: And then when the coalition stopped spending some of the money,
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  Speaker 6: this current government started saying, you should continue to spend
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  Speaker 6: the money. So I see it as the greatest lot
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  Speaker 6: of crap that I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: In my life.
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  Speaker 6: I can't believe they stand there in front of cameras, bald-faced,
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  Speaker 6: talking to us about things that are just untrue.
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  Speaker 2: That's not me. That's Martin. Bouros, a finance expert on
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  Speaker 2: Radio Today, Radio 2GB in Sydney. Now, Labor's economic record
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  Speaker 2: is criminal. Like his old boss, Wayne Swan, Chalmers is
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  Speaker 2: financially illiterate. He spends money that we just don't have.
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  Speaker 2: He's rapidly grown Australia's welfare bill and is chronically unable
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  Speaker 2: to claw back government spending because he uses your money
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  Speaker 2: to buy votes and Labor thinks it's electorally untouchable while
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  Speaker 2: the vote on the right is split between one nation
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  Speaker 2: and the coalition. And yet, I just don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: right anymore. I don't think that Labor is untouchable. Because
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  Speaker 2: immigration and the economy, it's what's going to help sink
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  Speaker 2: this government, provided Australians understand what's really going on. And
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  Speaker 2: this is why, this is precisely why, Albanese needs to
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  Speaker 2: get his digital censorship bill through the parliament so that
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  Speaker 2: before the next election he can stop voters from finding
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  Speaker 2: out and understanding the basic budget truth. This is why
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  Speaker 2: the bill, Labor's so-called digital duty of care, matters as
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  Speaker 2: much as it does. All right, let's go to Canberra
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  Speaker 2: now for the headlines with our political reporter, Cam Redden.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening.
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  Speaker 12: As expected, the Reserve Bank has lifted the cash rate
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  Speaker 12: to its highest level in 15 years, increasing by 25
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  Speaker 12: basis points to 4.6%.
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  Speaker 3: Now, I know this decision is difficult for households with
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  Speaker 3: a mortgage and businesses with loans, but high inflation hurts
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  Speaker 3: all Australians, especially the most vulnerable. The board will raise
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  Speaker 3: increased interest rates again if that's what's needed to get
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  Speaker 3: inflation down.
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  Speaker 6: Somebody has to be spending less in order to bring
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  Speaker 6: inflation under control.
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  Speaker 12: Australians are looking at their household budget and they do
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  Speaker 12: not know anymore where to squeeze.
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  Speaker 4: It's why we've made sure that public demand in our
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  Speaker 4: economy has slowed. rather than gathered pace.
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  Speaker 9: The best thing Jim Chalmers could do today is implement
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  Speaker 9: One Nation's super pay boost. Then he should resign.
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  Speaker 12: Artificial intelligence giant OpenAI has apologised for last week's incident
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  Speaker 12: where its agents went rogue and hacked into an off-limits
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  Speaker 12: Medicare portal. In this 1,500-word blog post, the company says
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  Speaker 12: it tasked an experimental internal-only model that was not intended
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  Speaker 12: for public release with researching government spending on skin condition
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  Speaker 12: medicines in Victorian communities. But they concede they did so
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  Speaker 12: without the full set of safeguards that are used in
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  Speaker 12: publicly available products. So without those safety measures, there was
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  Speaker 12: nothing to stop the unreleased model from breaking into an
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  Speaker 12: off-limits Medicare portal. As far as the Prime Minister is concerned,
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  Speaker 12: it's apology accepted.
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  Speaker 6: OpenAI have been very constructive and open in engaging in
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  Speaker 6: that process and I welcome that, but there are risks.
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  Speaker 11: Cameron Redden, News24, Canberra.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's ladies' night tonight, Tuesday night. Let's bring in
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  Speaker 2: my panel broadcaster, Lucy Zellick, News24 host Jamie Rogers, all
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  Speaker 2: without a quota, I might add. This is talent at
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  Speaker 2: the top of the show, girls. Let's start with the
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  Speaker 2: rate rise today, 4.6%, 15-year high. We'd have to go
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  Speaker 2: back to another woman, Julia Gillard, when she was PM
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  Speaker 2: to see these sorts of numbers. We're worse than most
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  Speaker 2: advanced economies around the world, but Dr Chalmers says it's
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  Speaker 2: all the fault of Iran.
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  Speaker 4: The Reserve Bank statement makes it really clear that we
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  Speaker 4: have an inflation challenge in our economy which is made
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  Speaker 4: worse by the war in the Middle East. The statement
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  Speaker 4: makes it abundantly clear that one of the main drivers
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  Speaker 4: of inflation in our economy is a conflict on the
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  Speaker 4: other side of the world pushing up global oil prices
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  Speaker 4: and being felt right around our economy and indeed right
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  Speaker 4: around the world.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and it was Ukraine before that and COVID and
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison. But the reality is, Jamie, that government spending
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  Speaker 2: is at a 40-year high and he's part of the government.
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  Speaker 7: And here's the problem, Peter.
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  Speaker 13: The issue is the fact that there is just no
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  Speaker 13: accountability or any form of responsibility for what is happening
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  Speaker 13: within our economy. As you mentioned in your editorial, we're
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  Speaker 13: now at a 15-year high when it comes to the
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  Speaker 13: cash rate, but this is also the 16th cash rate
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  Speaker 13: increase under the Albanese government and the fourth since February.
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  Speaker 7: So if anyone has.
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  Speaker 13: A $ 1 million mortgage, your monthly payments now off the
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  Speaker 13: back of these four consecutive rises is around that $ 606
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  Speaker 13: extra a month, which is an enormous increase for families
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  Speaker 13: who are already doing what they've been told to do.
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  Speaker 13: Families are the ones that are cutting back tightening their belts,
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  Speaker 13: they're being taxed heavier. And then they look at this
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  Speaker 13: government that are just so flippantly spending billions of their
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  Speaker 13: dollars and with not a care.
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  Speaker 11: In the world.
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  Speaker 13: And I was watching Jim Chalmers today and I thought
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  Speaker 13: it's either that he doesn't understand the seriousness of the
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  Speaker 13: economy because, look, he's got a PhD in Paul Keating,
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  Speaker 13: or it's that they just don't care. And I think
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  Speaker 13: it's a huge slap in the face for Australians. I
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  Speaker 13: just genuinely think they don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I think the problem, Lucy, is the bloke's on, what, $ 450, 000.
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  Speaker 2: He's been on salaries upwards of $ 300, 000 basically all his
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  Speaker 2: adult life, either as a staffer, Chief of Staff to
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  Speaker 2: Wayne Swan, and now obviously as a parliamentarian, frontbencher now.
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  Speaker 2: And he's not doing the monthly grind that everybody else
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  Speaker 2: around the country is where they sit down and look
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  Speaker 2: at all the bills coming in and wonder how on
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  Speaker 2: earth they're They get the new school shoes or the
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  Speaker 2: footy lessons for their child. They're not cutting back. He
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  Speaker 2: doesn't pay for his car. He doesn't fill up his tank.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't pay for a flight to go anywhere in
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  Speaker 2: the country. I mean, they live in a completely different world.
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  Speaker 2: But when things are tough, you know, budgeting as every
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  Speaker 2: Australian is doing now, and let's not forget our pensioners
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  Speaker 2: too or self-funded retirees, they know absolutely down to every
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  Speaker 2: last dollar that they are being ripped off by Labor.
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  Speaker 14: They certainly do, Peter. Great to be with you tonight.
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  Speaker 14: I would almost like to challenge what Jamie said there.
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  Speaker 14: I don't even know that it's that they don't care.
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  Speaker 14: I just think it's what you aptly pointed out earlier.
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  Speaker 14: It's that they're financially illiterate. I don't know that they
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  Speaker 14: know how to run an economy, and it's quite clear
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  Speaker 14: based on what we're seeing. When Labor first came into power,
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  Speaker 14: they consistently bleated about the fact that the interest rate
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  Speaker 14: was what they inherited.
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  Speaker 7: What have they got to say after all this time?
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  Speaker 14: They continue to point to their predecessors when we know
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  Speaker 14: that government spending is the highest it's been since World
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  Speaker 14: War Two, excluding the COVID era peak in that period
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  Speaker 14: in time. And it just continues to get more and
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  Speaker 14: more insulting when you have a treasurer Pointing to the
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  Speaker 14: Iran conflict, he mentioned it at least 10 times in
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  Speaker 14: his 20-minute press conference. But then you have the Reserve
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  Speaker 14: Bank governor in Michelle Bullock pointing to domestic capacity pressures
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  Speaker 14: in her press conference and highlighting the fact that there
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  Speaker 14: were interest rate rises prior to the conflict starting. This
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  Speaker 14: is a woefully incompetent government who are, yes, out of touch.
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  Speaker 14: And if you could only recall in the election campaign,
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  Speaker 14: both neither he or Peter Dutton, with all due respect,
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  Speaker 14: knew what the price of eggs or milk were. So
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  Speaker 14: our politicians need to be in touch with the boots
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  Speaker 14: on the ground people.
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  Speaker 7: They need to understand what's going on.
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  Speaker 14: And as it stands now, off the back of this announcement,
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  Speaker 14: millions of Australians are going to have to find additional
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  Speaker 14: funds where they are already, as Treasurer, the Shadow Treasurer
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  Speaker 14: Tim Wilson pointed out, they're already feeling the squeeze.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're already starting to worry about what AI
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  Speaker 2: is going to do to their job prospects. They already
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  Speaker 2: can feel that move through the economy and this just
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  Speaker 2: brings I guess, worry into every family as things get
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  Speaker 2: worse and predictions of another two rate rises to come.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to this issue with Warren
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  Speaker 2: Hogan in a moment, but let's go to something I
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  Speaker 2: know you've been campaigning hard on, Jamie. This is about
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  Speaker 2: the sale of the Paddington Barracks, Victoria Barracks in Sydney,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the Victoria Barracks also in Melbourne. Richard Miles
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  Speaker 2: is facing calls now to resign over insulting and absurd
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  Speaker 2: comments he made directed at former army leaders.
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  Speaker 8: Have a listen.
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  Speaker 1: It is not my priority for Defence to be a
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  Speaker 1: heritage organisation. It's not my priority to see Defence manage
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  Speaker 1: the oldest wine cellar in Australia. To put this in
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  Speaker 1: the hands of the diggers is actually quite wrong. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there are a few former generals who liked hanging out there,
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  Speaker 1: who are lamenting this.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that's really rich from a bloke who is the
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  Speaker 2: Defence Minister who puts his golf clubs on the raft
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  Speaker 2: jet any time he goes anywhere because he wants to
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  Speaker 2: sneak in a game of golf at the end of
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  Speaker 2: a slow day on the taxpayer. I am with the
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  Speaker 2: Defence community on this one. I think it really stinks, Jamie.
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  Speaker 7: It absolutely does, Peter.
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  Speaker 13: I was watching that interview with Andrew Clennell on Sunday
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  Speaker 13: morning and my jaw hit the floor at some of
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  Speaker 13: the things he was saying. Richard Miles, when he's now
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  Speaker 13: going down and belittling our Defence Force and veterans just
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  Speaker 13: because they don't agree with him with the sale of
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  Speaker 13: Victoria Barracks, instead of having a proper discussion and talking
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  Speaker 13: through the reasons why he wants to go and sell it,
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  Speaker 13: he just throws out insults and is calling names.
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: And I think it also.
• 19:27
  Speaker 13: Just shows how ignorant he is to, one, the heritage
• 19:30
  Speaker 13: and the importance of this site and, but also the
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: strategic value of it. I had David Elliott on my
• 19:36
  Speaker 13: program on Sunday night who was posted at Victoria Barracks
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: for three years, and he made the point that there's
• 19:43
  Speaker 13: military that is currently used with equipment at Victoria Barracks
• 19:46
  Speaker 13: that you can't just move to the CBD plaza that
• 19:50
  Speaker 13: the Defence Minister thinks is so easy just to pack
• 19:52
  Speaker 13: up Victoria Barracks and move everything into Defence Square in
• 19:56
  Speaker 13: Pitt Street, that this is still an active site. And
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: this Defence Minister has just got no idea when it
• 20:02
  Speaker 13: comes to it. But it's just a constant story, isn't it, Peter,
• 20:06
  Speaker 13: with this Labor government and their just flippant attitude towards...
• 20:10
  Speaker 13: men and women who served and fought for our country.
• 20:13
  Speaker 13: Matt Keogh should also be standing down and so should
• 20:16
  Speaker 13: Richard Miles. And I think Anthony Albanese needs to stand
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: up and be a leader because he's the one that
• 20:21
  Speaker 13: can stop the sale and he can also show the
• 20:23
  Speaker 13: Defence Force, I back you and as a result, I'm
• 20:26
  Speaker 13: going to stand aside these two ministers who are not
• 20:29
  Speaker 13: capable of standing up for you and replace them for
• 20:33
  Speaker 13: someone who will.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to move to the US. I want
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: to get your take on this one, Lucy. This is
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the case, of course, that captured attention around the world.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: We finally heard today from the lone holdout juror in
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the Lindsay Clancy trial, asking people to focus on the
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: three little children who were at the centre of the case.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Have a listen.
• 20:57
  Speaker 15: Hi, my name is Michael Peggy Desronville, also known as
• 21:00
  Speaker 15: the lone juror. I know the whole focus has been
• 21:04
  Speaker 15: on me, But we want to reel everything back and
• 21:08
  Speaker 15: put the focus on the three angels that's at hand.
• 21:12
  Speaker 15: The ones that can't speak for themselves, the ones that
• 21:15
  Speaker 15: can't defend themselves, and the ones that can't fight the battles.
• 21:19
  Speaker 15: And those are Cora, Dawson, and Callan.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Lucy, I can't... stop thinking about the scenes outside that courtroom,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: the women, predominantly women, rallying in support of the mother
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: who freely admits she murdered her children. And I kept
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: thinking to myself, if it had been a man that
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: had murdered his children, would there have been a different
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: sort of sentiment in the community? What did you make
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: of those comments today?
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: Oh, God bless this lone juror, Peter.
• 21:50
  Speaker 14: I know yourself and Jamie, we've covered a lot over
• 21:53
  Speaker 14: the years in terms of stories, but nothing has affected
• 21:56
  Speaker 14: me more than this particular one. Notwithstanding the brutality of
• 22:00
  Speaker 14: this incomprehensible act, the brutal slaying.
• 22:04
  Speaker 7: Of these three precious children.
• 22:06
  Speaker 14: But the fact that so many people got behind this woman,
• 22:10
  Speaker 14: I mean, have we completely lost our damn minds?
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: We have ended up in moral bankruptcy. We are in
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: the sewer.
• 22:18
  Speaker 14: If your immediate reaction to a story like this is
• 22:21
  Speaker 14: to side with the mother, the woman, regardless of gender
• 22:25
  Speaker 14: that has committed these atrocities, and to now start targeting
• 22:29
  Speaker 14: the lone juror who chose to stand by these three children,
• 22:33
  Speaker 14: These children who haven't a voice, who were innocent and
• 22:37
  Speaker 14: pure and precious and so brutally murdered by their mother,
• 22:41
  Speaker 14: that woman deserves.
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: To not just rot in jail for the rest of
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: her life, but burn in hell.
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: And anyone that has defended her, that has a kind
• 22:49
  Speaker 14: word to say or is thinking about extending grace to her,
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: shame on you.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: God bless that lone juror.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Beautifully said. I'll leave it there. Thank you to you both.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Let's cross now to the UK where five men who
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: were arrested yesterday of the suspected terror plot at RAF
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Fairford military base have now been released on bail. Joining
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: me now to discuss this, News24 contributor and News Corp's
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: European correspondent, Sophie Ellsworth. Well, Sophie, I'll say that again,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: arrested yesterday, charged with terrorism, certainly arrested in relation to
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a terror plot, but released on bail. What's going on?
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: Peter, it's quite hard to fathom here because people are
• 23:35
  Speaker 16: asking questions how these five men who are from London,
• 23:40
  Speaker 16: they're British nationals, they live around here, including in Westminster,
• 23:44
  Speaker 16: they've been released on bail. Now, the front of the
• 23:46
  Speaker 16: London Sun today says it all, Peter. I'll just show
• 23:49
  Speaker 16: the viewers, but the front page with the Prime Minister,
• 23:53
  Speaker 16: what's going on, Andy Burnham?
• 23:55
  Speaker 11: What's going on, Prime Minister? How did this happen?
• 23:58
  Speaker 14: How.
• 23:59
  Speaker 16: were these five men allowed to be released on bail
• 24:02
  Speaker 16: and Peter what is very concerning about this case it
• 24:06
  Speaker 16: was a lone female farmer on her way home from
• 24:09
  Speaker 16: a night out who alerted authorities that there was something
• 24:12
  Speaker 16: that did not look right in her area there were
• 24:15
  Speaker 16: three vans parked in the area with these men who
• 24:18
  Speaker 16: ran into bushes when they saw her. Now, it's been
• 24:21
  Speaker 16: revealed that there's no explosives that were in these vehicles.
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: But questions are being raised, Peter.
• 24:27
  Speaker 16: How can these five men simply walk free and be
• 24:30
  Speaker 16: released on bail? And President Trump has said the very
• 24:34
  Speaker 16: same thing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: He made comments, too, that they had been monitored, watched
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: for some time, that the United States was working cooperatively
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: with agencies in Britain to What's the Prime Minister, Annie Burnham,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: had to say?
• 24:49
  Speaker 16: Well, the Prime Minister's held a Cabinet meeting here in
• 24:54
  Speaker 16: the UK as a result of what has happened here.
• 24:58
  Speaker 16: He hasn't said a lot on this issue, but like
• 25:01
  Speaker 16: everything in the UK, there's always an investigation and they
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: always say, look at how this happened. But what is
• 25:08
  Speaker 16: concerning here, Peter, is people here in Britain are asking,
• 25:11
  Speaker 16: why is America.
• 25:13
  Speaker 11: giving.
• 25:13
  Speaker 16: Us more information about what supposedly happened in this incident
• 25:17
  Speaker 16: than our own British government. Wes Streeting, the Defence Secretary,
• 25:21
  Speaker 16: has come out in the media and praised authorities for
• 25:25
  Speaker 16: capturing these men.
• 25:26
  Speaker 11: But people are saying, yeah, get real, mate.
• 25:28
  Speaker 16: It was the farmer that alerted authorities, not the authorities
• 25:32
  Speaker 16: who caught them initially.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Beautifully said, like an Australian farm girl. Get real, mate.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Cheers for the farmers there and here. Sophie Ellsworth, thank you.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: All right, after the break, more on the historic rates hit.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to Warren Hogan. And there's plenty of political
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: implications here as well. Welcome back. Coming up, David Craig,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: former AFP policeman, obviously counterterrorism expert. On concerns he has,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: he's been doing a bit of digging around on the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Australian government not doing enough to protect us from risk.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But first, as we've already touched on, the RBA today
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: moving to lift the cash rate to the highest level
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: in 15 years. But all the money markets are suggesting
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it will go even higher, piling, of course, pressure on
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: everyday Australians as Labor looks anywhere but at its own spending.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Here to discuss it with me, EQ Economics Managing Director
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Warren Hogan. Well, today the Treasurer said it's all about
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: inflation and inflation's a problem because of Iran. And I've
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: said before that he said it was Ukraine and it's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: everyone's fault but his own. Almost every credible economist, though,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: says it is government spending. It's now at a 40-year high,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: particularly recurrent government spending. So who do you blame, Warren?
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think you've said it. It's just governments
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: of Australia have not shown any restraint as this inflation
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: has worn on. So maybe you could sort of give
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: them the benefit of the doubt a few years ago,
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: and it was more the RBA not doing enough in
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: 2024 to get rates up to where other countries did.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: But it's quite clear with the resurgence of inflation in
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: the last 12 months as our economy recovered from, you know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: very weak growth to only two and a half percent.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: But that was clearly enough to trigger inflation. And the
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: governments of Australia are all planning to spend around increased
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: spending by around three percent when when the economy's capacity
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: is two. that really means the rest of us are
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: getting squeezed out. And if we're not doing it voluntarily,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: then it's up to the RBA to enforce that restraint
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: on the private sector through higher rates. And that's exactly
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: where we've left ourselves here. And if the governments of
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Australia don't think about really cutting back recurrent spending quick smart,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: the cash rate might not just go up one or
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: two more times. It might just keep going up and
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: up and up all through next year. And of course,
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: we know where that ends in a nasty recession, if
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: not a financial crisis.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I want you to explain to voters, viewers at home,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: well they vote as well of course, recurrent spending because
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I think we throw around a lot of these terms
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and I want to make sure we're arming up viewers
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: with as much detailed information as we can, both recurrent
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: spending and this government's move from means testing welfare payments
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: into basically these universal payments that has really been the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: game changer over the last four years.
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think, first of all, there's the distinction
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: between recurrent spending and government spending. So government spending is
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: both recurrent and investment. And I don't think any of
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: us want Australian government, state or federal, to stop investing.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: That's really one of their main jobs. So recurrent is
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: locked in year-to-year spending. It obviously varies, but it's just
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: regular payments. Very hard to get out of, as you
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: know better than anyone. And this recurrent spending sort of
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: surge we've seen has been led by the federal government.
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: For 40-odd years, maybe 50 years, they were very stable
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: as a share of the economy, around 7.5%. But from
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: about 10 years ago, the federal government started with the
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: NDIS and various things that you just mentioned, increasing payments
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: and locked in spending. It's now gone from the average
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: of 7.5% of GDP to 11. That's like 40% plus
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: structural increase in the presence of federal government locked in.
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: And I don't think our economy is coping with it
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: at all. The states are increasing their spending as well.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: But it's really that federal increase in spending that's the
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: standout and the problem and needs to be cut back
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: because I think we're seeing that the cost of it
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: is more than just the higher taxes we have to
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: pay to fund it, but it's also squeezing out the
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: private sector, pushing living standards down when, of course, we
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: don't have much room for manoeuvre because, as the Governor
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: reiterated again today, we don't have much spare capacity because
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: of the ageing population.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some things like aged care, it's always been a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Commonwealth job to fund those. And if people have got
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: no capacity to live at home in their older age,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: of course, we've got to find a way to look
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: after them, having paid taxes all their lives as they age.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: I'm no issue with that. I have no issue really
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: with the pension provided the eligibility is tight. Where I've
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: got really big concerns is things like childcare. So, for example...
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Child care used to be people on modest incomes who
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: were in work and needed support to keep their kids
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: in care so predominantly the female could get back to
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the workforce. Now you can get child care in this
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: country if you earn $ 500, 000, so half a million dollars,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: you get welfare child care. And, of course, they've taken
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: away all the rules that you don't even need to
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: be in work. Now, as a taxpayer, you're one too, Warren.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Why on earth are we paying money to look after
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: someone's children if they earn half a million dollars and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: mum and dad can be both sitting at home?
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think that's one example of many. There's
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: the problems in the NDIS, which are well documented from
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: just outright waste through to corruption and criminality. The fact
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: is there's just been no discipline around it. But for 40,
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: 50 years, or probably the whole federation, the whole 125-odd years.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: Federal government was very disciplined. That's what's changed in the
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: last decade. I mean, yes, there's the ageing population and
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: that probably did necessitate some lift, but we've overcooked it.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: And of course, this has come in a backdrop where
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: interest rates used to be very low and it seemed
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: like governments could forever fund. And this idea that we've
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: got low government debt compared to everyone else, we just
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: lost all the disciplines. And of course, what we've got
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: to decide as a community now Do we actively pursue
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: a program of reducing the size of federal government and
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: do it in a controlled manner ourselves, or do we
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: wait for a crisis to force us in an uncontrolled
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: manner for it to happen upon us? And I think
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: we'd all agree doing it ourselves would be much better.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Just a couple of quick ones before we go. I
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: got an email from one of the viewers, David, who's
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a sheep and potato farmer in Thorpedale in Victoria. He
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: pointed out that Yes, the excise came off fuel, but
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: since it was reinstated, the government's in fact indexed the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: fuel excise, so we're paying more than when they gave
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: us the break. That's one point. I spoke to Saul
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Kovonik last week. He said we could be going as
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: high as $ 4 a litre on diesel. Now, diesel and
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: transport costs infiltrate the entire economy. That's a real concern.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: And what about speculation? We've got two or three more
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: rate rises to go.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: So on the first one, I mean, the government's very
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: good at indexing things when it suits them and not
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: indexing things, i.e. income tax brackets when it would suit us.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: But yes, there has been an increase in the fuel
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: excise because of indexation. And of course, the most clear
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: and present danger for Australia's economy right now is this
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: US diesel export ban. We are madly hustling as a
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: government to get hold of fuel imports. We're the biggest
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: importer of diesel in the world. And, of course, if
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Trump does go and put that ban on ahead of
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: the midterms, we could be in some trouble. And, of course,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: the price would only be part of the story. It
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: would be actually accessing it that would also be an issue.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: So that's an inflationary headache as well for the governor,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: and she made that quite clear today. And I think,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: you know, they have made it clear they're going to
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: need to go again. I think they're thinking two hikes
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: before Christmas. They'll see how the summer plays out. But
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: I don't think we're going to, you know, we can
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: rule out another one early next year.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Gosh, two before Christmas and people have got to pay
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: for Christmas. That's not good. Warren Hogan, thank you. Not
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: good news though, is it? All right, quick break after
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: the break. Tony Abbott joins me. He's absolutely boots on
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: in the fight to save the War Memorial from being
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: politicised by Indigenous politics. Welcome back. Coming up more on
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the deepening concerns around Australia's cyber security or lack thereof.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and the surge in sales of Chinese-made electric vehicles. But
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: now to the risk of radical Islamic terrorism on our doorstep,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: with One Nation yesterday joining Jewish community leaders in calling
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: for new powers to target hate preachers. Here to discuss
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: this and plenty more, National Liberal Party President, former Prime Minister,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: of course, Tony Abbott. Tony, we've touched on already this plot,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: a UK plot, just outside of London in a RAF base.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: But I wanted to go to those calls yesterday in
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the similar vein about radical Islam in Australia and the
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: need for more laws, says Pauline Hanson, to remove the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: threat of hate preachers from our community. Now, I'd argue
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: we've got the laws we need, we just don't have
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: the will to enforce them.
• 35:02
  Speaker 17: Totally right, Peter.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: We don't need more will, more law rather, we need
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: more willpower. That's what we need.
• 35:09
  Speaker 17: We've had hate preacher after hate preacher spew their bile
• 35:14
  Speaker 17: in mosques and prayer rooms in Sydney and Melbourne. No
• 35:17
  Speaker 17: action whatsoever has been taken against any of them. None
• 35:20
  Speaker 17: have been prosecuted. None have been deported. None, it seems,
• 35:25
  Speaker 17: have even been cautioned. We let Islamist hate preachers into
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: the country, but for some reason we ban hardline Israeli
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: government ministers. There's a double standard at work here and
• 35:36
  Speaker 17: it must end.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: There was $ 300 million revealed on the weekend of money
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: that went to multicultural organisations, 93% of it into Labor-held seats,
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: quite a large proportion of money that went to Muslim communities.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I think when I spoke to James Ashby last night,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it went from about $ 6 million in previous multicultural funding
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: pools to close to $ 70 million. It has a real
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: look around. of Labor trying to buy votes?
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: It does.
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: And we should not be funding anything which promotes separatism
• 36:19
  Speaker 17: based on race or religion. This is a country which
• 36:24
  Speaker 17: needs to spend more time dwelling on our unity and
• 36:28
  Speaker 17: less time promoting diversity.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Let's go then to Revelations about the 30,000 people, upwards
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: of 50,000 arrived during the time of Rudd and Gillard
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: illegally by boat. But we learnt yesterday 30,000 of them
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: now have been given a permanent visa to stay in Australia.
• 36:47
  Speaker 8: And a fast track to citizenship.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: And a fast track to citizenship.
• 36:49
  Speaker 17: And this is rewarding wrongdoing. Those people got on a
• 36:55
  Speaker 17: boat knowing that it was illegal to try to come
• 36:58
  Speaker 17: to Australia and Under the former Labor government, they managed
• 37:02
  Speaker 17: to do so. Kevin Rudd said, if you come illegally,
• 37:07
  Speaker 17: you'll never get to stay. Well, now Labor have made
• 37:10
  Speaker 17: a liar out of their own former Prime Minister, Kevin Rudd.
• 37:15
  Speaker 17: It's hard to imagine that this will not be encouraging
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: people smuggling to restart. I hope it doesn't, but it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 17: a very, very bad move.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Well, they've basically made good on the promises that people
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: smugglers sold to these individuals.
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: Correct.
• 37:30
  Speaker 17: And if we expect to keep our borders secure, you
• 37:36
  Speaker 17: simply cannot reward people who come here illegally with permanent
• 37:41
  Speaker 17: residency and citizenship.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: And, of course, even now on these visas, when they
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: are not Australian citizens, they'll have access to the Dole,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: they'll have access to the NDIS and everything else.
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: If there is a.
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: Change of government, that will be no more because one
• 37:55
  Speaker 17: of the many policy commitments that Angus Taylor has made
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  Speaker 17: is that only citizens will get access to welfare payments.
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  Speaker 17: And I expect Angus to be standing outside Centrelink offices
• 38:05
  Speaker 17: saying non-citizens will no longer be welcome here.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that the problem that people have with these
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: numbers we get today from the Reserve Bank, confirmation of
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: yet more deficits yesterday, the government spending more now than
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: any other government in the last 40 years. Is why
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: on earth are we spending all of this money on
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: people who are not Australians?
• 38:32
  Speaker 17: Very good question, Peter. And it's one of the reasons
• 38:35
  Speaker 17: why so many people think that the country is slipping
• 38:40
  Speaker 17: away before their very eyes, which is fuelling, I suppose,
• 38:44
  Speaker 17: the rise in people wanting to vote for political insurgencies.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: I come from the country, as you know, and my
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: sister's got a dairy farm and most of the workers
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: on their dairy farm are predominantly, you know, backpackers and others.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: So I think this risk that we're going to lose
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: them out of the economy is real. But backpackers, they
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: come here, they tend to go home. They come here
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and the money they earn, they spend in Australia. What's
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: wrong with Australians? We've got a million, basically, a million
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: young people on the dole that we have to import
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: labour when we're paying welfare for Australians to sit at home.
• 39:21
  Speaker 17: This is where something like a new version of the
• 39:26
  Speaker 17: Howard government's Work for the Dole program, which I was
• 39:28
  Speaker 17: responsible for as employer... minister, needs to be re-established. The
• 39:32
  Speaker 17: whole something-for-nothing mindset, which I'm afraid some Australians have succumbed to,
• 39:40
  Speaker 17: it's utterly corrosive and, again, it needs to end.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: OK, let's talk about the war memorial because you've joined
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the fight.
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: Absolutely right. Look, deliberately or otherwise.
• 39:50
  Speaker 17: This government wants to change the War Memorial from being
• 39:54
  Speaker 17: a place of pride and unity into a place of
• 39:58
  Speaker 17: division and shame by claiming, I think falsely, that the
• 40:05
  Speaker 17: Australian officialdom waged a kind of war against Aboriginal people. Now,
• 40:11
  Speaker 17: I think this is wrong. I think it misstates our history.
• 40:15
  Speaker 17: But it's going to happen. unless there is a people's
• 40:19
  Speaker 17: revolt against this along the lines of the recent successful
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: revolt against the cap on veterans' allied health benefits. What's
• 40:28
  Speaker 17: happened over the last couple of years is the composition
• 40:31
  Speaker 17: of the War Memorial Council has changed.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And just for people at home, you were a member.
• 40:36
  Speaker 8: Of the council at one time.
• 40:37
  Speaker 17: I was, and I was one of three members, at
• 40:39
  Speaker 17: least three members, who fiercely opposed any move in this direction.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 40:46
  Speaker 17: I respect the three former Labor MPs who are now
• 40:49
  Speaker 17: on the council, very much so, all of them. But
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: you change the composition of the council and you get
• 40:58
  Speaker 17: this kind of culture war move for something which really
• 41:04
  Speaker 17: should be a shrine. It's certainly sacred to our veterans.
• 41:10
  Speaker 17: I believe it should be sacred to all Australians. And
• 41:14
  Speaker 17: This claim that somehow we waged war on our Aboriginal
• 41:19
  Speaker 17: fellow Australians, yes, there were crimes, no doubt about that,
• 41:22
  Speaker 17: but there was never a war against Aboriginal Australians and
• 41:26
  Speaker 17: that's why it has absolutely no place in the Australian
• 41:30
  Speaker 17: War Memorial.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: When I interviewed one of the campaigners the other day,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: he said he had legal advice from an eminent QC
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: to say that this likely contravenes the Act. So what
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: can be done about it? How can ordinary people watch
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the show who are angry? Look, I put something up
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: on my social media the other day, nearly 300,000 views
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: in two days. People are angry. How can they get involved?
• 41:54
  Speaker 8: Well, I believe there is a petition that you've publicised.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Defend sacred ground.
• 41:59
  Speaker 17: If viewers have not... signed that petition, I would encourage
• 42:03
  Speaker 17: them to do so. I also think that nothing beats
• 42:09
  Speaker 17: ringing up your local Member of Parliament's office, particularly your
• 42:13
  Speaker 17: Labor Member of Parliament's office, and saying this is not on.
• 42:16
  Speaker 8: It is just not on.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: I've got a picture on the screen of your fire
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: truck from the other day. It wasn't yours, but it
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: was one in a group you were in and yours
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: was damaged, wasn't it, or others were damaged? It got
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: pretty hairy.
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: It did get pretty hairy.
• 42:31
  Speaker 17: That was one of the other Northern Beaches trucks that
• 42:34
  Speaker 17: was unfortunately overrun and destroyed. There's an element of danger
• 42:40
  Speaker 17: in firefighting, Peter, and I'm just really pleased that there
• 42:44
  Speaker 17: are still 50,000 people in New South Wales who are.
• 42:49
  Speaker 8: regularly volunteering.
• 42:51
  Speaker 17: For the Rural Fire Service who are prepared to take
• 42:54
  Speaker 17: risks on behalf of our community. And I'm proud to
• 42:57
  Speaker 17: be just one of them, one of the 50,000.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: 30-odd years in the volunteer job, where does that rank
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: in terms of bad days? Look, it's probably.
• 43:08
  Speaker 17: I've often been scared in fire incidents, but that's probably
• 43:14
  Speaker 17: the first time I thought I might actually die.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Really?
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: That's serious.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: But.
• 43:19
  Speaker 17: I'm here. Everyone on that fire ground emerged largely unscathed
• 43:28
  Speaker 17: and we just got on with the job and turned
• 43:31
  Speaker 17: that hazard reduction burn that did for a few moments
• 43:36
  Speaker 17: there go badly wrong. We finished the job. That's the
• 43:39
  Speaker 17: important thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Well, from a Prime Minister who does hold a hose,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. Tony Abbott, thank you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Thanks, Peter.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: All right, quick break after the break. We're going to
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: get into those issues, as I said, concerns about what's
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: happening in our military bases here in Australia with David Craig.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Welcome back. Let's bring in former Australian Police....
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: Victoria.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig. I should know
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: that off by heart. Goodness me. Before we get into
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: the stuff I want to talk to you about in
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: relation to Chinese devices, David, give me your take of
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the events in the UK in the last couple of
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: days because I mentioned at the top of the show
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: five individuals arrested yesterday after the alleged terror plot was
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: foiled have since been put out on bail.
• 44:36
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's quite concerning, Peter. By way of contrast, in
• 44:43
  Speaker 8: November last year, four men were arrested for a terrorism
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: offence and they were kept in pre-detention, pre-charge, in jail
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: while police investigated for 11 days. Now, these five men...
• 44:58
  Speaker 8: were charged or bailed under the PACE Act, not the
• 45:01
  Speaker 8: Terrorism Act, which is quite confusing, because under PACE they
• 45:04
  Speaker 8: can only keep them locked up for 96 hours while
• 45:09
  Speaker 8: they investigate. And now they're all out in a day
• 45:11
  Speaker 8: and a half. It's very concerning. I don't know why
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: you can go from being a terrorist suspect at one
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: stage with reportedly, allegedly, balaclavas and vans near a military base.
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: To then being free to walk in society with conditions
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: but free to walk in society when there's been sort
• 45:31
  Speaker 8: of two-tier policing on other fronts where other people that
• 45:34
  Speaker 8: have committed far less or suspected or alleged to have
• 45:37
  Speaker 8: committed far less significant offences have had bail opposed by
• 45:41
  Speaker 8: the police. It's very concerning.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: We've also had Senator Jess Collins raise concerns about the
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: security around, it's outsourced security, private security, around military bases
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: in Australia. And you and I have had a lot
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: of private conversations about the lack of security at a
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: number of our airports as well.
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it seems like the government is just totally asleep
• 46:10
  Speaker 8: at the wheel. I mean, national security is about... identifying
• 46:14
  Speaker 8: vulnerabilities before someone can exploit them. And that's not happening,
• 46:18
  Speaker 8: particularly in relation to airports where the AFP are not based.
• 46:24
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: You have done a bit of digging around on Chinese-made vehicles,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: but also generally devices that have been used in military
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: premises that have caused us concern. What can you tell
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: us tonight?
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: Okay, well, the series of events is quite concerning. In
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: February 2023, the Defence advised the Parliament that all security
• 46:54
  Speaker 8: or surveillance devices made in China, devices of concern, were
• 46:57
  Speaker 8: removed from Defence sites. Then in May, a physical order,
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: May of that same year, 2023, they identified that there
• 47:05
  Speaker 8: were actually 435 devices that hadn't been put on the
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: asset register. So now these devices, 394 of them, were
• 47:14
  Speaker 8: Dahua cameras. Now, it took some time, but they've removed
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: all those, and you'd think that that's pretty good, only
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: to find out that now, in 2026, LEAP motor vehicles
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: that carry six Dahua cameras on them and are connected
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: to the internet are accessing bases not banned from being
• 47:34
  Speaker 8: on our defence sites. Now, it doesn't mean that China
• 47:37
  Speaker 8: is spying on us, but it means they can.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I guess the concern you have there is when these
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: vehicles enter a base, let's assume they're doing what they're
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: intended to do, they're photographing everything so there's access and
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: that gets reported back to Beijing. But we've also got
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of our parliamentarians. I've seen the list of
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: cars they can get on the taxpayer coin. A lot
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: of those are Chinese-made EVs. We know the cars in
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and around for Comcar use in Canberra are Chinese-made EVs.
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: Yes, and sadly this is probably where things in Cabinet
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: and Confidence and top secret discussions are held and the
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: Chinese or any of us there is, Iran or Russia.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Of course they are.
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that's the prime place to get it, nice quiet environment,
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: top level people speaking. Now we've got microphones and cameras
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: all around these vehicles. They should be simply banned for
• 48:29
  Speaker 8: any government sites.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Just a quick one. Tony Abbott says we've got all
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the laws we need to deal with hate preachers. We've
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: just got to have the gumption to use them.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: 100%, Peter. Tony Abbott is 100% right. I mean, we
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: really need to lean forward into this. The Albanese government
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: seems so scared of confronting anything to do with radical
• 48:52
  Speaker 8: Islam that they are prepared to let our national security
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: slide and the radicalisation of our youth be promoted.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: There you go. No better expert there than David Craig.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you for your time, David. See you soon again.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Up next, the Bolt Report. I'll see you tomorrow night.