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S6 262. Jaco Booyens - MMS & Days of Noah - Sex for Good, or Evil · Millennial Mustard Seed

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Welcome to the Days of Noah podcast where we talk all things
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biblical, supernatural and strange.
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Today we are especially privileged to have for the first
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time Yaako Boyens, an anti sex trafficking expert and just
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crusader for rescuing women and children especially from the
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trafficking worldwide, which unfortunately the United States
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is the leader in this despicable practice.
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Yako has been in this fight for over 3 decades and it touched
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his family as his sister was lured into it at a young age.
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But God has used that darkness for the two of them to rescue
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people, to bring awareness to this issue.
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And this episode really takes a very personal turn as we look
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inward at the body of Christ, at ourselves that we call ourselves
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followers of Christ. And yet, how much evil do we
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allow in our own hearts and minds that the spirit of which
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might go out into our city unrestrained and proliferate
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this incredible abuse of children?
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Such a powerful and passionate episode with Yaako.
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And we only had a short time with him, which is why Rod and I
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jump on and the latter portion to comment on it and really
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highlight some of the key points that he brought up.
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But we look forward to having Yaako back.
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And guys, I think you will be very encouraged, convicted,
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challenged and motivated by this episode.
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Thanks so much for listening, guys, and we trust you'll enjoy
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it. So with that, let's bring on
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Yaako Boyens. Well, we welcome everybody back
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to another episode. And I have my buddy Rod here
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with me from the Millennial Mustard Seed.
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Hey, Rod. Hey, Pete, how's it going?
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Good. And so we're going to do a
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little bit of a commentary on a recording that I did with Yaako
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Boyens of Yaako boyensministries.org, or JBM for
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short. He is 31 years into this fight
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of working to end and really just destroy the enemy's tactics
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in the area of human trafficking, especially child
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trafficking and child sex trafficking in particular.
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And so Yaako and I only had about 1/2 hour together due to
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some technical issues and some time crunches on his end.
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As you can imagine, he's a pretty busy guy with what he
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deals with and the people he rubs shoulders with.
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And so I was really fortunate to have the time we did.
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But in order to give you guys more of a complete episode
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closer to the hour mark, I thought it would be great to
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invite Rod here to do some commentary and kind of talk
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about some of the things that were brought up.
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And so without further ado, we are going to let that recording
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with Yaako roll and then come back and keep listening guys,
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'cause I think just the Holy Spirit working in Rod and I and
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in your hearts as you listen to these things, you will be
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prompted for action, for conviction, for edification, and
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be blessed. Well, we welcome Yaakov Boyens
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to the Days of Noah podcast. And Yaakov, I first came across
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you in Josh Peck's documentary Silent Cry.
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And yeah, and then years later I saw you on the Benny Johnson
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Show, and that's where I had that inner kind of Holy Spirit.
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Like I got to have him on our show because of the bombs you
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were dropping about the Wall Street connection and things
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like that to human trafficking and, and particularly child sex
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trafficking, which you know, you've been in this fight, what,
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3 decades now. And I would consider you a, a
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worldwide leader and expert in it and quite the tip of the
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spear on it. And so welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much and honor to be here and always just trying
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to be a humble servant of our Lord Jesus and seeing search and
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rescue truly about human souls being searched out and rescued.
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But in our in our fight within the realm of human trafficking,
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child sexual exploitation, all the different forms of
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trafficking. And yeah, 31 years in, you know,
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started when I was 18. My sister Ilanka was 12 and she
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was trafficked, took six years for a longer to be rescued.
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And you know, and we just and we just never stopped.
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Praise God, she's healthy and still the greatest success story
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I've ever seen. She's in our ministry.
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She is unbelievably good at what she does and helping survivors
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and writing policy and she even consults SCOTUS for crying out
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loud. I mean, she's a, she's a
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tremendous force in this fight within JBM, but it's a demonic
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battle. We, we battle not against flesh
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and blood with powers and principalities.
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And unfortunately, somewhere in this conversation over the last
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two decades in America, you know, there was no conversation
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for the longest time, from 2001 till 2014.
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It was just, you know, trying to push down concrete barriers.
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And then conversation started. And then in the last four years,
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it's like everybody's talking about human trafficking, but
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they don't really understand what it is.
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And now it's almost an inverted effect to where it's too, too
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easy to talk about. People have lost that gut
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wrenching guttural disruption in their life to understand what it
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really means. And it's also becoming social,
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almost becoming social talk, which means people aren't doing
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much about it, you know? So it's really important for
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people to truly understand what it is and how how evil uses this
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thing called human trafficking to ultimately get a foothold to
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separate this country called America from its purpose and
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designed by God. It's really what it's about, you
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know? And so.
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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah. And as I, I was getting ready to
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talk to you, you know, God prompted me with some reminders
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from Scripture. We have an Ezekiel about him
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being shown what was going on in secret in the temple right and
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all of the abominations that were going on.
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And you know, one of the guiding principles of the of our show,
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and I'm sure for you as well with your ministry is Ephesians
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511 have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but
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rather expose them and, and our hope is similar to what Jesus
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said in Luke 12/3. What has been said in the dark
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will be heard in the daylight, and what has been whispered in
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the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.
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Yeah, looking at accompanying scripture would be Ezekiel 3377
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through 9, which is the anchor scripture for our ministry.
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And I think it's a it's a riveting scripture because in
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there Ezekiel talks about we are Watchmen.
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If you self-proclaimed as a Christian man or women, a son or
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daughter of God and Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, you are
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by default a watchman, you know, And so all of a sudden here you
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can take all the conversations of separation of church and
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state. You get all all these things.
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And it's right there. Now you are a watchman.
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You are to speak into culture. You are to influence culture.
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You are to bring the fruit of the Spirit.
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You are to be the light. But the watchman that does not
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warn of the injustice. Scripture tells us that the
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blood, the atrocity committed, that blood is on the hands of
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the Watchmen. So how many Watchmen, how many
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sons and daughters of God today look the other way?
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How many sons and daughters of God today shy away from speaking
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truths when it's not popular, speaking up?
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Only 22% of American pastors in 2023 and 2024 mentioned
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pornography in a sermon, did not have a sermon on pornography
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mentioned it. They won't even tackle the root
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cause of the subject matter. They won't tackle sexual
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immorality. They don't won't tackle the
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identity politics that's being played in this country.
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All these things are are mechanisms and tools that feeds
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into stripping away the identity of Christ in a young child so
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that they are more vulnerable for a predator to pounce on
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them. These are methods.
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And so when a church abdicates from speaking into pro-life or,
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or constitutional values through your, through your first, your,
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your citizenship of heaven before your citizenship of
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America with the gospel of Jesus Christ and the full word of God,
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right, is a higher authority than the Constitution.
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Because that's definitely how the Muslims operate.
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You know that a single Muslim in this country will stand in the
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court of law because just by standing in a court, they're
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putting the US justice system above Sharia and the Quran and
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they will not do it. Christians just bend the knee.
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Christians say there's trafficking in our city and we
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don't want to talk about porn. We don't want to talk about
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gender ideology because that's just socially even it's awkward.
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No, it's our duty as Watchmen on the wall to bring truth.
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Now, nowhere in Scripture, and I'm a pastor, nowhere in
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Scripture do you find the word nice.
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We're not called to be nice. We're called to be kind.
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And kindness corrects. God tells me as a father, I
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don't love my own children if I don't correct them, if I don't
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discipline them. It's kind to correct someone
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that's walking off a Cliff to say not that way, but this way.
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It's unkind to let them go to hell, literally.
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And so trafficking is this gigantic cancer in our society
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because Satan understands sex better than the church.
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And if the church would invest time with the Holy Spirit and
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ask the Holy Spirit, why, why make this thing called sex?
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Why? Why?
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Let's just talk real. Why is there pleasure and
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satisfaction? Why is there a stimulus?
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Why not just you can only have sex three times in your life,
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have three children and you lose all your desire?
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I've asked God these questions. These are my conversations with
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the Lord. OK, and the Lord's saying,
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because sex is a weapon for good, to bring a husband and a
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wife together, to leave the houses, your father and your
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mother become one with this weapon.
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When sex is healthy biblically in a marriage, it actually
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drives evil out of the house. It's actually a protection.
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But when you corrupt it, where? Where?
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When? When you literally make it
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unpure you, you're now inviting evil in.
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And now it's the most destructive force.
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So Satan knows. Look, there's no weapon more
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powerful on the planet than sex. Yeah, just corrupt him.
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I, I've asked the same question, Yoko and, and you know, and, and
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part of part of the answer that I come to, I think it's from God
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as well, but is, is it has to be a real choice.
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And just like in the garden, we had those trees that we could
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eat from and, and one that we couldn't.
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And it has to be a real choice. And yeah, when I, when I think
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of how much damage the human history, I mean the angels, for
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crying out loud, Genesis 6 is where we started our show, you
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know, episode one, right? That it they were attractive.
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I like kid Nephilim. I come on even the even the even
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the angels right thing. Sex is attractive.
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Right, and I'm I, I so I so I'm telling God in prayer this, you
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know, months ago and I'm like God, maybe you should have made
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like sex, like 50% is powerful, you know, but no, it has to be a
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real choice. And but you're right.
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And because because you know, I, I man my relationship, I love my
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relationship with the Lord because we have visceral,
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because the way God saved me was so radical, so radical.
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And I was raised as a Christian, OK, but but but not in a
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relationship with Jesus Christ, right?
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It was so radical that I wrestled God for six hours.
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I heard the audible voice of God.
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I mean, it was so nobody could convince me otherwise.
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And the Lord said Yaku, I asked him one day, I said, God, talk
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to me about who you are. And he said, Yaku, I'm
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profoundly simple. And I go, well, not really.
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And he goes, you just need to choose my son as your Lord and
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Savior. Believe that he died for your
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sins. His body was broken for you.
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His blood was shed. He fulfilled the law with his
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blood because man couldn't fulfill the law.
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Believe that he's the resurrected king, seated right
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hand of garden, Mercy's seat, and you're saved.
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That's pretty simple. And I go, yeah.
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And he goes, but I'm simply profound.
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You have to forfeit your life to get it.
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So think of a choice when we say choose the right thing in sex.
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Big decision. Not a bigger decision than
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forfeit in your life. Every decision that's worth
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something should cost something or it's worth nothing.
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And so yes, sex is so powerful because when you choose to
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depart from evil, repent, and turn from your wicked ways, man,
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the reward is heavenly, right? And so you can't want the
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heavenly reward, but what you're sacrificing is is of no
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significance. No, those choices.
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My, my when my daughters tell me, dad, this person made me
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sad. I go no person can make you sad.
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No person can make you sad. Yes, dad, they can No, you
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choose it. I'm offended that you choose
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offense. These are these are heavy
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weighted issues, but sex is a bonding agent.
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There's not a single culture on earth, hedonic, Satanic.
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There's no culture on earth that does not consummate and
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legitimize a marriage. But through sex, Satan
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understands the power. Do Christians, Do Christians
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understand that, man, when we make the right decision in our
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intimacy and sexuality, who? There's a cloud by day and fire
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by night, Man, I will fall out of the sky.
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Water will come out of a rock. You are walking behind the Holy
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Spirit in that moment. You're following the ways of
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God. If you don't, it will.
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It will tear a nation apart, and it is.
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Well, I was I was going to ask you when you're talking about
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the pastor's not talking about like the porn issue and and even
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kind of society. Even Christians were supposed to
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be Watchmen. As you said, we're not paying
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attention to this trafficking issue.
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How much of it is shame based because we're ashamed of the
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things we do from time to time, the things we think from time to
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time, And maybe Satan is just like got such a foothold on
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Christians. Satan, Satan understands.
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I'm busy writing a book at the moment and I can't spoil it, but
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it's really on this issue and praise God, I'm doing it.
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And Destiny Image is an amazing group that's supporting me in
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this. But the Lord's giving me a
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revelation. Satan understands the playbook.
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Americans love football. So let's talk football for a
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second, OK? You don't go into a football
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game. I'm a former professional
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athlete. You don't go into a football
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game with two plays. There's pages of plays pages and
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you study the enemy, you study the opposition and you
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understand the strengths and the weaknesses.
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Christians don't do it. They don't understand how Satan
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operates. They understand the layering
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effect that it compounds. It's not one thing.
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It's one thing that leads to another thing.
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It is. It is deception.
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It's smoke and mirrors, it's attraction.
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So when the church says well look we don't even know how many
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watch porn, I do 55% of all men who are self-proclaimed
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Christians have a porn account. 55% We are now at 58% divorce
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going to 60% divorce inside the church. 67% of all female
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college students watch pornography.
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Sexual immorality, sex trafficking cuts straight down
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the middle. It's no respecter of men.
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Satan has gave you a Christian, a Buddhist, a Muslim.
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It doesn't care. It uses sex to corrupt.
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And when the church starts normalizing it, meaning they're
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not speaking proactively into it, hunting that evil, rooting
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it out, training their young how to repent and turn from the
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wicked ways, then you're complicit because you're looking
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the other way. You're the watchman that doesn't
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warn of the injustice. It's a foothold that leads to
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another foothold. So we're forfeiting territory,
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Kingdom territory, every single day.
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OK, there, I'll give you a statistic.
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This should shock you. OK.
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If it doesn't, we have a problem. 3.95 million American
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women total between the age of 18 and 25.
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Now, we haven't had a census in this country that is the most
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accurate guesstimation. 3.95 million American women between
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the age of 18 and 25. That's all women.
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Christians, non Christians, whatever, right?
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Race, ethnicity, doesn't matter. 1.7 million of them are active
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on only fans. That's 48%, 48% of women between
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the age of 18 and 25 have either sold images of themselves on
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only fans, bought images on only fans, They're active on only
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fans. 50% of our future mothers think it's OK to sell your body
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for a for a period in your life. Then when you distill it down
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and you go talk to them and say, OK, what's your body count?
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They'll tell you, well, if you don't have more than seven
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partners, you don't have experience.
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You ask him when it when are the when are the times in your life
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to make money? They'll go between now and when
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I'm 28I, I can sell my body to make money and then I'll talk
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about a family and it's not going to affect my future.
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And I'm going to marry a man that'll honor me.
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I promise. No, you will not right.
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So it's this vicious claiming of territory, footholds in ideology
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and belief system. So what I believe, and this will
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be part of it will be in my book, is that there is a
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codependency. And a trauma bond between sexual
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immorality and faith in the Christian faith, where
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Christians are now bonding with immorality and they coexist
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versus rooting it out. They're living with their sexual
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trauma, guilt, shame, condemnation.
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So the first thing Satan does when there's sexual immorality,
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self stimulation. A guy watches porn.
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Ask any of them. I worked with thousands of them
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a month, OK, they'll tell you immediately, guilt, shame,
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condemnation. They hate themselves. 25 minutes
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later, they're like, I can't believe I did this again, right?
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When you start saying, well, perhaps I can coexist because
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I'm not hurting anybody. They think, right, It can
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coexist with my faith in Jesus Christ.
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That's lukewarm Christianity. God himself will spew you out.
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Satan loves that place. He loves that place where
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there's a trauma bond, a coexisting, a codependency on a
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little bit of sexual sin. But I love Jesus.
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I can worship the paint off the wall.
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I can. This is Chen Z.
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They worship like fire, but they're bound in porn.
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Who's telling them no, you're in sin, You are going to get spewed
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out by God. You are lukewarm.
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This is kindness to you. Can we please help you?
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Yeah. Have you ever heard of Timothy
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Bentz? He, he has a principle that he's
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talked about. We've we've interviewed him a
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long time ago called the gatekeeping principle, where he
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has seen, and it seems like to various degrees, it's not all
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the same for every Christian. But as a Christian and as a
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watchman, right, that what we're called to do, to be salt and
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light in the world, the principle is what we allow in
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our hearts can then go out in our home, in our neighborhood,
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in our city and beyond to various degrees.
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And he's seen that where, you know, he tells a story where
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there was, you know, half dozen Christian leaders in a large
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metropolitan city that were had, you know, hatred towards each
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other. And the crime rate in this one
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square mile area was off the charts until they repented of
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it. And so when it goes out, when
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the spirit of these things go out from you, it gets restrained
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because you have the Holy Spirit.
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So maybe it's just in your mind or, you know, on your computer
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and you know, in secret, but that spirit goes out into the
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community. And I'm wondering about when it
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comes to the trafficking issue and SRA and, and all of this
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stuff, the child abuse, how much is at the Christians doorstep in
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terms of their responsibility for what we're allowing in our
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hearts? Because if the culture turns,
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aren't we to blame for not doing our part?
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Man, I, I, I am so glad to meet you and I think we're going to
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build an amazing relationship because I love where your heart
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is. I, this is where I am at.
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And and people may frown upon this.
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I put it squarely on the shoulders of the church because
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let's have the let's have the other conversation.
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Well, how much, how much is the world to blame for this?
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The second you go there, you assume that Satan will self
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regulate. You assume that at some point
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Satan will say, you know what? I've brought enough death, death
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and destruction. Maybe, maybe I'll give you a
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break this time and I won't act in my nature.
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Now let me let me be very clear. Or that the OR that the world,
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let me say real quick. Or that the world who has moral
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relativism is going to have the same standard of morality that a
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Christian has? No.
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Well, well, the world with, with the world with mortal moral
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relativism can literally not think straight.
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They're not in their right mind. They're either under a spirit of
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deception or they're deceived. They're listening to demonic
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forces. So they're not in their right
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mind. So, so it's not even them
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speaking. It's not even them acting,
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they're literally agents of Satan at that point because
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they're in agreement with demonic forces.
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So they're just puppets being wielded right?
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This is why it's a battle of powers and principalities, not
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people. The people are not even in their
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right. A person in their right mind has
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a mind of Christ. You outside of mind of Christ,
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you're not in your right mind. That's it.
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And so they're being wielded left and left and right.
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So so to think that Satan at some point will self regulate or
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that the demonic forces will tell them this is OK now you've
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gone far enough. It's preposterous ABS because
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Lucifer, nobody talks about Lucifer.
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Lucifer, the one who once walked with God, the one who was so
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powerful that he had command over a third of the angels.
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There's never been a single general.
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And I've got generals in the American military that are
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friends of mine. There's not a single general in
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our military that commands a third of our troops.
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No way. OK. 1/3 of the angels.
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This is a powerful dude. He's a fault.
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He becomes Satan. He's a fallen Angel, OK, But he
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knows his identity. He understands his strengths.
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He doesn't break rank. His name is He who comes to
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steal, kill and destroy. That's it.
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He doesn't break MO. He never thinks well, that's
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enough. He never thinks well.
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I, I, I've played tough enough. It's the church that has to
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intercede, put into the atmosphere, the power under the
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blood and the authority of Jesus Christ.
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When you don't 100%, you're forfeiting your city.
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We did a study, over 8000 cases, OK, 8000 cases.
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And we looked at children having nightmares, OK?
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And the indicators double-blind was it had to be repeated
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nightmares. So a child would say this is
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just one nightmare, one of the most common nightmares.
26:22
And people listening would say falling off a building and wake
26:25
up right before you die. Running through an alley, people
26:28
chase you, jumping in a car and right as they grab the child's
26:32
leg, they wake up. OK, teeth falling out, these
26:35
repeated nightmares. OK.
26:38
Do you know that over 90% of the times when there's a repeated
26:43
prolonged nightmare that a child consistently has, one of the two
26:48
parents was addicted to pornography?
26:52
The only common denominator was one of the two oversights.
26:58
Spiritual authorities in the home was addicted to
27:02
pornography. So what am I saying?
27:04
When a father were a mother, as in pornography themselves,
27:08
children were not exposed to pornography.
27:11
The watchman. OK, opened a door and Satan
27:18
goes, great, I'll go for the child, I'll steal the future.
27:22
Because what Jesus said, if you train them in my way when
27:25
they're young, they will not depart when they're old.
27:28
Even the prodigal will come back from the swine if you lead them
27:33
when they're young. So Satan goes then I will rape
27:35
them, steal their innocence, break them sexually when they're
27:38
young. They'll never know the Lord, the
27:41
responsibility we have as sons and daughters of God over our
27:45
homes and our marriage over our cities.
27:48
Wherever God's planted to you, he's given you dominion.
27:53
He's given you but but dominion is not worth I have power and
27:57
authority. No, I have a story reverence of
28:01
God for the stewardship I will be held to account for.
28:06
Right. Parable to talents.
28:08
What does the master ask? And what will he ask of you and
28:11
me when we meet him? What did you do with what I gave
28:14
you? Are you found faithful or not
28:18
faithful? Now you've got parents that go,
28:20
I'm not harming my children, but they've got a porn account.
28:23
But they're a Deacon. They're a pastor.
28:26
If you're a pastor, the church is also your house.
28:31
So now imagine what door you're opening up as a pastor when you
28:35
are in sexual immorality for Satan to go great, doors open.
28:39
I'll take territory. We're now rescuing children in
28:45
this country. By the way, America is the
28:48
number one nation where children are bought and sold for sex.
28:51
American children. I I work with every agency in
28:55
the federal government under the Trump administration, every
28:57
single one of them at the Department of Justice in my
28:59
office yesterday. OK, I work with every single one
29:02
of them. All right, 500,000 migrant
29:05
children missing. Great.
29:06
It's under a percentile of the amount of children being
29:10
trafficked. It's American children being
29:12
sold for sex. OK, up to 47% of all children in
29:18
America being trafficked, 22% being the lowest #47% the
29:23
highest. So 1/4 to 1/2 percents.
29:26
Texas is 33%, tennis is 27%. California is 33%, 22 to 47% of
29:34
trafficking of American children is done by their own family.
29:41
So you're no longer just talking about opening a door for Satan
29:44
to come after the children. You're now talking about parents
29:47
partnering with Satan, selling the virtue and the innocence of
29:53
their own children. The fear of God should fall on
29:56
this nation. The fact that we are still a
29:58
country, the fact that we still have a constitution, the fact
30:03
that we still have freedom in Christ is a gift from God
30:07
because we do not deserve it by our actions.
30:09
Absolutely not. We have squandered the gift.
30:13
And and if you look at, you know, from Jonathan Cahn, his
30:17
first bestseller, the Harbinger on to now, you see these
30:21
warnings. That's what Harbinger mean.
30:23
It's a warning and and it's a reprieve I had.
30:28
You know, Trump is not our savior.
30:30
But the day after, I had that word on my heart, and Jonathan
30:37
gets on YouTube and has that same word.
30:40
I think we're given a window of time here to get our spiritual
30:43
house in order before things get really bad.
30:46
I got the same word. Funny enough.
30:48
When I leave this podcast right now, I will be with Jonathan in
30:52
person tonight. Oh my goodness.
30:54
For three hours. In person Hi from from the days
30:57
of Noah. I, I will.
30:58
I was on stage with Jonathan where Jonathan and I took a
31:01
hammer. It's on YouTube.
31:03
You can look it up with Louie Ingle at the Million Women.
31:06
And we literally took sledgehammers and smashed the
31:09
altar of Ishtar together in Washington DC.
31:13
Yeah. This is this is, this is, this
31:15
is the battleground what you're talking about right now.
31:18
This is the nerve when we go after this root issue for me and
31:24
my house. Right.
31:25
We'll serve the Lord well first. This is the temple of God for me
31:29
in my house. This temple we will serve the
31:31
Lord. So sexual immorality cannot live
31:34
in this house, then it cannot be in my marriage.
31:37
Then it cannot be in my physical house.
31:38
Then it cannot be wherever God's planted to you.
31:42
This is the heart of Jonathan. I'll be with him in an hour and
31:44
a half. And, and this is what we if
31:46
we're not in this root issue, we're missing the mark.
31:51
We are and Yakko, thank you so much.
31:53
I know you got to run here in a minute and I look forward to to
31:57
chatting with you again soon. I got 3 pages of notes and we'll
32:02
save, we'll save most of it for for next time.
32:04
So thank you so much. This was this was wonderful,
32:08
every minute of it. God bless you, thank you for all
32:11
you do. Pray God's favor and hand over
32:13
you. Holy Spirit goes before you and
32:16
and just don't stop. Don't.
32:28
Stop. So Yaako mentions early in the
32:30
episode that sex trafficking rings have been in the public
32:35
square. It's a conversation that kind of
32:37
everybody's talking about, especially with that movie, The
32:40
Sound of Freedom. And it's kind of lost a little
32:43
bit from his perspective. And I would agree slightly that
32:47
it's lost some of that gut wrenching reality check and that
32:52
he fears that this surprise factor kind of lessening has
32:56
people stepping out of the way of taking responsibility to
32:59
prevent it. It's like a conversation less of
33:03
let's act and respond. And I thought that was prolific.
33:07
I think this should be highly enforced, a high calling for the
33:10
body of Christ to step in with prayer first of all, but also
33:16
funds and facilitating people that are in repair from these
33:21
trauma loops of sexual, physical, even mental and
33:25
spiritual abuse. Just as the government should be
33:29
taking care of our military soldiers, we see a lack of that.
33:33
I don't think the body of Christ has an excuse.
33:35
We are the light that is standing against these tragic
33:38
issues. That should no longer just be a
33:41
conversation, but literally it should be a preventative act
33:45
where we all have the same mind, the same idea.
33:48
Let's rescue. Let's prevent.
33:49
Let's educate. Yeah, yeah, That is a good
33:53
point. Thanks for bringing that up.
33:54
Because it has in a lot of ways lost its shock value and, you
34:03
know, not to draw attention to it.
34:04
But the name of the album from Jane's Addiction decades ago?
34:09
Nothing shocking. I mean, that's the generation
34:12
we're in, especially with what can be seen and heard just about
34:18
anywhere in this age of information, many of it not so
34:23
good. But we're called to be Watchmen,
34:27
and to do something about it, and to deal with our own sin
34:32
issues, our own shortcomings. And if the Watchmen aren't
34:37
warning, you know, we're, man, what are we doing?
34:44
So these issues need to be brought up.
34:49
They need to be shouted from the rooftops.
34:51
They need to be people getting involved, not just hearing these
34:57
issues, but doing something about it.
35:01
And I think that's the call. Yeah, I mean, Pete, there's two
35:10
things, you know, within the first maybe 10 minutes where
35:14
Yaakov mentioned that Satan understands sex better than the
35:17
Church. This is prolific because I, I
35:21
agree to some extent. I really do.
35:24
I mean, there's a lot of commentary I could go into, but
35:27
to keep it short and sweet, absolutely.
35:30
It's a problem. Now, where do we begin to remedy
35:34
that? Obviously in the word of God and
35:37
looking at a, a healthy biblical conversation to entertain what
35:43
sex should look like. Where do we begin with that?
35:46
I mean, because it is an uncomfortable topic for a lot of
35:48
people. And then Pete, you mentioned
35:50
after he says this, that the very first thing Satan tried to
35:55
corrupt and control was sex. When you look at Genesis 64,
35:59
it's like the first big billboard where the enemy's
36:02
like, oh, that's our first choice of corruption and we know
36:06
what that led to, a mixture, A Nephilim, a fallen entity.
36:11
So it is a bit of the beginning and very easily recognizable a
36:17
part of the end game of the enemy.
36:20
Yeah, it's it really is probably the most strongest theme in
36:29
human history is this misuse and corruption of sex.
36:36
And it's a weapon. Weapons are always dangerous,
36:41
either for good or evil, but they're never neutral.
36:46
And I was thinking of this, listening to, you know, the
36:51
passion that that Yaakov presents these things.
36:54
I was thinking of how firearms are used.
37:00
They're a weapon, but statistically they are more
37:05
often used as a defensive tool then an offensive tool.
37:11
Something like a million crimes are prevented every year in the
37:18
United States without firing a shot.
37:22
In most cases, simply presenting A firearm can cause the defense
37:30
to rise up and stop that offense of evil.
37:35
And so thinking of sexuality as a weapon, whoever's wielding it,
37:43
I mean, if we're wielding it for good, as a defense, if we're
37:48
doing it in the right way, if we're using it in the right
37:51
ways, in the God honoring ways in our families, then it's a
37:56
defense against the enemy. And Yaakov even hinted as an
38:01
offense, I would love to pick his brain some more on unpacking
38:07
that. How can be an offensive weapon
38:12
for the Kingdom and for the family unit, but as a defensive
38:17
weapon and then in the hands of the enemy it's an offensive
38:23
weapon against us and isn't? Boy, I just think of that
38:28
firearm analogy again, Rod, I think, I really think that's you
38:32
think of law abiding gun owners. They are using it in the right
38:39
way to defend life or just stop a threat or a crime.
38:45
Most of those don't get reported because the crime was foiled.
38:50
What do the non law abiding do with firearms?
38:57
They use it to cause damage. They use it to hurt.
39:01
They use it in a corrupting way. I think that's really a parallel
39:06
of sexuality as a weapon and how it is used for good or evil.
39:14
Yeah, that's profound, Pete. Shameless plug.
39:18
The song I just dropped, Trauma Cycles, a part of the chorus is
39:22
Reload My Life Like a Rifle. And it's this cry of, you know,
39:29
God, bring that power back, refresh it, make it new.
39:32
I know all of us have, as the Bible says, we struggle among
39:38
the commonality. The problems of man and women
39:42
are not so distant or different as some would assume.
39:48
And a lot of that cries from the damage I've created in my life
39:52
through loss, through anger, through lack of faith.
39:55
And I just think what you said is so profound to just kind of
39:59
riff on that for a minute. Yoko mentioned that every
40:06
satanic organization at one time or another is noted for using
40:10
sex as a control, a covenant, an initiation, A trauma cycle.
40:20
I mean that really it's it's not.
40:24
It's known as public. Everybody knows satanic
40:26
organizations. There's sexual acts that take
40:29
place between individuals or a group of individuals and it's
40:32
some type of sick covenant or you know, demonic agreement that
40:38
takes place within these these covenants.
40:41
And at many times a innocent individual is victimized during
40:48
this process. This shines right back to the
40:50
Genesis 64 narrative in my opinion, where the first thing
40:54
that Satan captured to create shame and and silence and guilt
40:58
on and alterations is the same thing we see his siblings doing
41:07
today. And this shame based silence.
41:11
You commented on this maybe halfway through the episode,
41:14
Pete, you had a response that was a shame based silence in the
41:20
church because there's a lot of people that are struggling.
41:23
In my opinion, from a couple different perspectives.
41:25
My vulnerability is sex was uncomfortable to talk about
41:29
because it wasn't in the Christianese when I first came
41:32
to the Lord at 25 years old. You know, it was like an awkward
41:36
conversation, Like, why would we talk about that, right?
41:39
And then there's the whole entire pornography issue where
41:42
the first time I was introduced to pornography, I'm like 14
41:45
years old and my oldest sister's boyfriend at the time handed me
41:49
and a bunch of my friends a stack of porno magazines.
41:52
I mean, talk of like, there was no governor.
41:55
We didn't really know what was wrong or right.
41:58
I mean, that's a common story probably between a ton of men in
42:02
this country and around the world.
42:04
And I just think about the shame silence.
42:06
You know, statistically, 50 plus percent of men are struggling
42:10
with pornography in the church. So are people remaining silent
42:16
because there's the guilt and shame?
42:18
For me personally, just looking back on the course of my life, I
42:23
do feel a bit of shame because I'm like, Dang, I was just like
42:26
that. But I want to encourage
42:29
everybody out there that the moment we take a public stance
42:32
and we're saying God, reload my life like a rifle, change me,
42:36
fill me up, correct me, right, like David said, expose all the
42:42
things in me that aren't right and lead me in the way
42:45
everlasting. This now becomes a body effort.
42:48
And it does take humility and vulnerability to put yourself in
42:51
that position. Yeah, just last night I I
42:57
watched again. It's been a few years since I've
42:58
seen it, Slumdog Millionaire. And there's a, there's a,
43:04
there's a line in there that I'm going to paraphrase when the
43:09
police officer is interviewing Jamal and because he thinks
43:14
Jamal is, is cheating on the game show and he says money and
43:19
women, but I'm going to say money and sex.
43:22
He says money and sex, the reasons for most mistakes in
43:26
life. Looks like you've mixed up with
43:28
both. He says, boy, if that doesn't
43:32
say it. But yeah, the enemy knows what
43:35
to go go after. Yeah, you mentioned the the, the
43:44
shame issue of weakening us. I really do think, I mean, it's
43:48
uncomfortable. It's taboo to talk about.
43:53
We feel like we can't talk about it or we don't want to unless we
43:57
have a perfect track record. Exactly.
44:00
And point is that and that's where the enemy wants us, just
44:05
weakened that's. So unrealistic, Pete.
44:10
It it is it is, but. Fallen from the glory of God
44:13
from one sin over because we're not pointing out and saying this
44:17
sins worse than that one or that, you know, we're just the
44:20
vulnerability to be like, hey, this is a problem, right, Rick,
44:24
the chains. Yeah, and and the porn issue
44:27
too, because this isn't like, well, alcohol, alcoholism.
44:32
If I just stay away from the bar and don't go to the gas station
44:36
and pick up a six pack, I'm good.
44:40
You know, we're carrying around devices that have a world of
44:44
vice right on it. And if we don't have the
44:49
accountability, the filters, just the the life structures in
44:56
place, it's, it's so it's too easy, you know, and he, he
45:04
brought up about the study on nightmares.
45:08
Boy, that one really hit home. Actually, that.
45:10
Yeah, it did. I I forget how long ago it was.
45:13
Thankfully it, it's wasn't recent, but I recall a situation
45:19
where my daughter had a nightmare and I wondered if it
45:23
was because I had been searching some things.
45:30
Again, thankfully that's in the further and further distant
45:34
past, but I'm not immune to it. I was really challenged by that
45:39
and I, I sent Yako a text on that, that I, I didn't really go
45:44
into details, but that's been really encouraging to me to see
45:48
how the enemy had an inn, has an inn.
45:55
When we give in in this area to our families to attack, even in
46:00
their dreams, our children, I don't want any part of that.
46:08
So that's really been encouraging to me on my faith
46:13
and purity journey. Since hearing that from him, I
46:17
always had that inkling. I always wondered when that
46:21
happened once or twice if that was opening the door.
46:28
But Rod, you mentioned about the trauma trauma loop and and
46:35
Yaakov mentions the trauma bond of compromise.
46:38
We're making a compromise by making peace with our sin.
46:43
And I would say and becoming callous, we can get to a point
46:48
where, you know, the ref has been blowing his whistle so much
46:54
he just throws his hands up and walks off the field.
46:58
We're not even hearing it anymore.
47:01
God help us. It went if we get to that place.
47:04
And I was praying on that this morning.
47:06
Boy, there's areas where it's like, did I even have any
47:10
conviction over that recently? You know, something I, I thought
47:15
or, or saw or whatever, like, boy, where have I become
47:20
callous? So Rod and I are are kind of
47:23
being a little bit vulnerable here and asking you guys to ask
47:26
yourselves those questions and asking God to give you a heart
47:30
of flesh where maybe it's become callous.
47:35
Well, statistically, one of the crazy things that Yaakov brings
47:39
up is 48% of women across all religious spectrums in the
47:43
country are active and only fans.
47:48
So it takes 2 to tango in the sense if you're in a marriage or
47:53
a relationship or even trying to position yourself for marriage,
47:57
which the apostle Paul nailed it.
47:58
He's like not all of you are meant to to be married.
48:01
He's like this isn't God advice. But from his opinion, he shares
48:05
that very clearly. If you don't know that, go read
48:07
it. But so we know that young men,
48:11
most testimonials are 131415 years old.
48:18
They're introduced to porn even younger.
48:19
Statistically today, if you do a search, it's like 10 and 11
48:23
years old. It's progressively gotten worse.
48:26
So now we have a generation of people that are anywhere between
48:29
18 and 40 years old where there's some pollution, right?
48:35
That this, this is where the shift needs to take place.
48:37
And repentance is not just something that happens in our
48:40
mind, it's something we're supposed to turn away from.
48:44
And I know that there's many people hearing my voice right
48:47
now that had just struggled within the last 24 hours on this
48:50
topic. And you might not have expected
48:53
to hear it on the days of Noah or hear the MMS commenting on it
48:57
because hey, what about talking about the Nephilim?
49:00
This is this is the product of what the Nephilim have done to
49:03
us societally. And Yaakov talked about, you
49:09
know, maybe 3/4 of the way through the interview, Pete,
49:12
that women, the first three things that they mention after
49:16
being active on all the fans or, or any of the sexual immorality
49:20
is guilt, shame and condemnation.
49:25
And how many men out there are feeling the same thing from
49:29
participating at a distance through your phone or the unruly
49:33
activity of courting a woman outside of marriage?
49:37
I mean, it's a real problem. And I just want to honor you,
49:42
Pete, for taking this topic on with, you know, publicly.
49:46
But I I've thought about it for for a while now.
49:49
I mean, ever since Doctor Laura came on and talked about a godly
49:53
marriage battle for a godly marriage.
49:55
We called it. And I really think the other end
49:58
of it is the meteor conversation of what are the tripping points
50:03
in our lives, not just marriage, but if we're the bride of
50:06
Christ, the more important marriage.
50:10
The bride is said to be prepared and ready with oil lacking
50:15
nothing. And I don't think we're there.
50:18
I agree with the the reprieve language that you and him both
50:21
talk about. It's so funny, Pete, you text me
50:25
like the night or the next morning when I literally was
50:29
taking notes on reprieve. And so I had four confirmations
50:33
come in through different believers on the word reprieve
50:37
the same day. And I'm like, something's there.
50:40
So it was profound to hear that you and you know, Yaakov Yaakov,
50:45
get into this because I'm going, wow.
50:49
We only see little snippets of the agreement and how the
50:52
spirit's working. It's kind of massaging the body
50:55
in pockets. And now here we are a year later
50:58
going, are we gatekeeping in some sort?
51:03
You want to refresh on the gatekeeping thing with Tim
51:06
Bence. You mentioned that in the
51:07
episode somewhere as well. Yeah, that that has to do with
51:11
being stewards. But let me just say this.
51:13
I mean, I've said this phrase a few times.
51:16
I I think I'm borrowing it probably from Frank Viola in his
51:20
books. But the call of the body of
51:24
Christ, of his bride, the church, is to make the invisible
51:28
Christ visible. And it's so interesting that
51:32
what the picture I got in my mind when you were just talking
51:35
about confirmation amongst believers of what the Spirit is
51:43
showing us, leading us, confirming things, highlighting
51:46
things. When we get together with other
51:51
believers and we hash these things out and we talk about
51:56
these things and we encourage one another.
52:00
We listen to podcasts, hopefully like this that encourage you in
52:04
your faith and we get involved in the fight like Yaako is
52:09
doing. I think we really get a better
52:14
sense of Christ being active. It's almost like you get us in a
52:21
room and suddenly Christ takes shape.
52:25
Like you can start to see him. You know, I picture the flip
52:30
side of that in the Lord of the Rings with Sauron as he's, he's
52:33
amassing his armies and Gandalf is, is like he's not yet able to
52:39
take physical form. He doesn't have his full
52:42
strength yet. I mean, that's kind of how we
52:45
are as the body of Christ. As we come together, encourage
52:49
one another and spur US one another on to good works, we are
52:58
making that Christ visible. But yeah, talking about the
53:03
gatekeeping principle of what we allow in our hearts can go out
53:09
unrestrained to the parts of our family, neighborhood, city,
53:16
beyond unrestrained for those without the Holy Spirit within
53:21
them. We might be setting that ablaze,
53:26
and that's a sobering thought when it comes to what I might
53:30
allow in my own mind and heart. Could I be sending out a spirit
53:37
of sexual sin into my city that then proliferates child sex
53:46
trafficking? Human trafficking?
53:49
That is a sobering thought, and we don't know to what extent God
53:55
has placed each of us as gatekeepers, but wherever he has
54:00
planted us, Yaakov said. We're stewards either for light
54:06
or for dark, and if the light within us is dark, how dark is
54:12
that darkness? Pete, I'm really thinking about
54:21
this issue that Yaakov mentioned where the enemy is not going to
54:26
regulate his destruction. It's his full enforced method is
54:32
lie, kill, steal and destroy. He's not negating from that by
54:39
any means. And so I think Yaakov went on to
54:43
kind of talk about that the world doesn't have the right
54:48
mind to handle this issue because it's the spirit of the
54:50
world, but we're not of this world.
54:54
And that the only mind that can source this out,
54:58
compartmentalize it, and make an attempted correction is going to
55:03
be the mind of Christ. And that is with the body that
55:08
is with us, just as you mentioned, Pete, when we come
55:11
together and start the fire on all cylinders, like a clean
55:15
running motor, that's when you have power.
55:20
The last thing I want to share statistically is parents, Yoko
55:25
mentions in America are the first offenders with children
55:30
going into sex slavery. Parents are selling their kids
55:35
into this industry. This is horrific.
55:39
I know that everyone's at a different walk of faith, but if
55:43
you're listening to this and you're aware of anything like
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that, that needs to be brought to justice, but I'm going to
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leave that between you and the Lord.
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You have a part to play. You need to speak to the Lord
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and see what He's going to move your heart to do to bring that
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to justice. Vulnerability.
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When I was five years old, I had to testify in court because
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another family member tried to abuse one of my other family
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members, and I was a portion at witness of that.
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That was trauma for me at five years old to have to go into a
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courtroom and testify. How many silent stories remain?
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How many broken hearts and trauma cycles remain?
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If I remember correctly, we're supposed to let our light shine
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and that is going to take some hard conversations, a reality
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check and vulnerability. Because I am not the product of
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what I saw. You are not the product of what
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happened to you. You are the Lords.
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You belong to him and he has a plan in his perfect timing to
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make it right. We just have to take a walk with
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him. There's a couple steps that we
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need to do ourselves. Yeah.
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The last thing I would like to bring up Rod is an idea.
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I was, I was going to save for a mini episode for you and I, but
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I'd like to to kind of speak a minute or two on this concept of
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what is the nature of sin that is most damaging and and what is
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it really? Is it about right and wrong?
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Well, at a very surface level and Rob, this reminds me of when
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we did a mini on taking the Lord's name in vain.
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That yes, OK, it's you know, not saying God, Dang it, or you
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know, Jesus blankety blank. You fill in the rest right as a
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curse word, but it's deeper. It's it's about taking that
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mantle on like a logo of your favorite sports team.
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You're identifying yourself with them.
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So we're saying we're a Christian.
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If we're living where the world doesn't see it line up
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hypocritically, that's taking the the Lord's name in vain.
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But I think sin is much, much deeper than right and wrong.
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And I think that's a tactic of the enemy, that he's got us to
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think about it in those terms, because it goes back to shame.
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We think about it as, oh, well, this is right and this is wrong.
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But Rod, I really think it's about missing out on the power
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that we have over the enemy and what God wants to work in and
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through us. So God doesn't look down his
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nose at our sin and say you wretched, sinful, shameful
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creature. He's more, I think, lamenting
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over. I had something so much
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different and better in mind, right?
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If the picture is about missing the mark, like a bull's eye and
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a target, if that's what the word means, then it's not shame
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that we missed the target, it's how good it would have been to
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hit that target. I think it's really about
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missing out on what God has in mind.
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It's kind of the opposite of what the enemy said in the
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garden, diminishing the true work of God within us.
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You know, the enemy wants to say God is holding out on you in the
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garden. He's holding out on knowledge
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that you you should have good things that you should have.
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The opposite is true. Sin is about missing out on what
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God has for us, and then it's giving inroads to the enemy to
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have his way. It's so much more than just
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right and wrong, but being weakened by the enemy.
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I completely agree, and just as God says, His word never returns
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void. I will conclude with Isaiah 35,
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one through 5. The wilderness and wasteland
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shall be glad for them, and the desert shall rejoice and blossom
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as a rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and
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rejoice even with joy in singing.
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The glory of Lebanon shall be given to it.
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The excellence of Carmel and Charon, they shall see eyes, the
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glory of the Lord, the Excellency of our God.
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Strengthen the weak hands, make firm the feeble knees.
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Say to those who are fearful, Be strong, do not fear.
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Behold, your God will come with vengeance, and with recompense
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of God He will come and save you.
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Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the
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deaf shall be unstopped. Wherever you're at listening to
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this commentary, God is able to change your circumstances.
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Whether you've contributed to this trauma or whether you've
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been victimized by it, He's able to change everything.
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There's always a hope when God is involved.
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Pete, thank you for having me. This is humbling and I would
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honestly say with fear and trembling going through this, I
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am continuing to work out my own salvation here.
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Absolutely, yeah. And I, I think too, you know,
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inviting Yaako on to talk about the trafficking issue and, and
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really having it turned towards the Christian man and woman's
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responsibility. We're we are supposed to be the
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light in the world. And this is an area where Satan
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is really weakening us. But be encouraged.
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God will make all things new if you are in him.
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You are a new creature, a new creation.
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And the last chapter of your story has not been written yet.
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Even though God knows it, the mystery of that, it is still
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being written. So be blessed guys, be
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encouraged, be strengthened in the Lord, be part of His team,
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be part of that calling to live in purity and make a difference
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in this world and see how the Holy Spirit encourages you as
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you do that. Thanks for listening guys, God
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bless. Yeah, I came from the sun, the
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water, young, straight from the heavens.
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You really owe me. All of my life I was beating up.
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All in my life. I didn't handle.
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All in my life. I was stuck in a trap.
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All in my life. I didn't handle rap.
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I didn't know why my life was away.
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I didn't know why my life was away.
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I didn't know I couldn't get up. I was so stuck.
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And the monkey was stuck till I found out.
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And I broke everything till I found out.
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And they took everything until I was hurting my heart and was
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strained. Yeah, I was broke and I had all
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this pain held on the home. It got harder than the toe.
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Then I went to the side of the smoke.
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I had no truth but to look to my God.
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He gave me stomach, He gave me earrings and he told me a
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blessed. He told me just believe in this
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job. I told him I can't change all of
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my ways. He said I got you just looked at
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this. I looked at him and he showed me
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his ways. Then he just told me how I am
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his son. Then he just told me I'm not on
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this one. He told me I come from the
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heavens above. I'm a new creature.
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I come from the sun from the one and only straight from the
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heavens. He really owe me.
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I came from the sun I was really with him and heavenly places I'm
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ceiling. Y'all can't even go that way.
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Y'all don't even know that way. Y'all want to play like Patty
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cake but this ain't no game. But it's not right.
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You wag this so fake when you walk up to me and I know you're
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a snake. You think you can beat me but
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you got to fight when you want. In a way I take out that trouble
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I'll put on your top and I'll freak on your face.
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I see you laughing. You think that you got me but
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you got no way. The evil you say for my life is
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OK because it's made for my good.
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My God is created. He created you so you really is
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cooked. I said all these things is I
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know when it's true and you know you is but like I did in case
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you can never win. I know the things that's going
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to happen to you when you die. You didn't live in your life
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because you know you can never go and get sick.
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You know when the great thing his mercy was took on you when
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you're my son in the plot thought you can take on my God
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spot now but you can die hot. I'm really tweaking.
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I come from the sun from the one and only straight from the
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heavens. You really owe me.
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I came from the sun I was really with them at heavenly places.
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I'm a sea to live. Y'all can't even go that way.
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Y'all don't even know that way. Y'all want to play like Patty
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cake but this ain't no game but it's.