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Why Sports Stars CAN'T Walk Away ... | Peter Dionisopoulos · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello friends. I'm your host, Chris Throuw. I'm a former
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  Speaker 1: Ruleries commando. I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across
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  Speaker 1: eighty countries on all seven continents. Welcome to the Port
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  Speaker 1: the t Shirt Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Pete, Sorry, but I was just showing a few of
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  Speaker 2: my sporting endeavors over the years. Have you heard of
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  Speaker 2: the marathon disablers? Marathon disablers? Does that mean anything to you?
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  Speaker 3: No, I'm not too familiar with it.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think it's more i'd honestly, it's more a
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  Speaker 2: European thing. It's a very famous race that takes place
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  Speaker 2: every year. It's called the toughest, the toughest foot race
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  Speaker 2: on Earth, and it's across the Sahara Desert in Morocco.
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  Speaker 2: And when the year I did it, I think we
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  Speaker 2: ran anything up to two marathons a day for I
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  Speaker 2: think seven or eight days, and it was up to
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  Speaker 2: fifty two degrees celsius. I don't know what that is
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  Speaker 2: in fahrenheit. Apologies, but yeah, believe me, that's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: take your heat in Florida and double it. It's about
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  Speaker 2: that yeah, crazy. So yes, I'll just start by saying, first, congratulations,
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  Speaker 2: on fatherhood. That's you know, that's amazing A little boy.
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  Speaker 2: Did we say yes?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: Awesome? Awesome, and thank you for joining us on the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Very quick story, my first intro to physio because I
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  Speaker 2: was always one of these and I still am a
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  Speaker 2: bit like I'm a bit bull headed Pete. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I charge into stuff. I'm not really interested in the
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  Speaker 2: Manu shai and you know, put me run into I've
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  Speaker 2: never warmed up. For example, it's not something I've ever done.
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  Speaker 2: I put my shoes on and I just go out
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  Speaker 2: the front door. And I've done that for like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: over forty years now, and you're probably going to tell me, Chris,
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  Speaker 2: don't do that. But so I was working it, believe
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  Speaker 2: or I was working in a fish factory in Norway
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  Speaker 2: up there in Scandinavia, and our product was salmon for
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  Speaker 2: the sushi market in Japan. And this has meant many
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  Speaker 2: years ago now. And because I'm bent over all day
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  Speaker 2: and I'm preparing these salmon phillips, I started to get
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  Speaker 2: this real pain in the back of my neck. And
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really you know, I just tried to mosey
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  Speaker 2: on through like you do when you're not that bright.
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  Speaker 2: And it affected my sleep because the pillow kind of
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  Speaker 2: cricked my neck up a bit more. And I got
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  Speaker 2: in this real mess where to be honest, if something
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  Speaker 2: wasn't done, I'd have to give up the job. And
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  Speaker 2: then when I mentioned it's one of my colleagues, they said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: do you know that the factory's got its own physiotherapist.
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  Speaker 2: This is how much it was worth to them, you know,
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  Speaker 2: to get over all the repetitive strain injuries. They actually
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  Speaker 2: employed their own physio. And so I went to see
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  Speaker 2: him in his office in the factory and I said, hi, Doc.
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  Speaker 2: He said, actually, Chris, I'm not a doctor. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: that's just a military thing. Anyone in medical we called
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  Speaker 2: doctor doctor in the military out of respect. And so
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  Speaker 2: he laughed and I said, yeah, I've got this problem
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  Speaker 2: in my neck because I'm constantly bending over to slice
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  Speaker 2: the fish. And he said, right, put your fingers on
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  Speaker 2: your chin. Okay, he said, right, keep your head level,
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  Speaker 2: just just move it back and forward again. He's right,
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  Speaker 2: do that ten times. So I did it ten times.
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  Speaker 2: He said, right, do that twice a day and come
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  Speaker 2: back and see me. Pete no joke. Within two days,
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  Speaker 2: my pain had completely gone, and he explained that he
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  Speaker 2: I was realigning my versibray from where they were slightly
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  Speaker 2: sort of out of sync. And that's when it hit
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  Speaker 2: me the bloody hell. Maybe these physiotherapists, they actually know,
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  Speaker 2: they know what they're talking about. And it's been the
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  Speaker 2: same with many other injuries I've had, you know, back stuff,
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  Speaker 2: shoulder stuff, just just doing that in the gym when
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  Speaker 2: you've got repetitive strain injury in your shoulder and you
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  Speaker 2: put a little bit of resistance in the in the
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  Speaker 2: opposite direction, it keeps you right, so to speak. So
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  Speaker 2: is this kind of does this tie in with your experience?
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  Speaker 4: Sure? Absolutely, It's just all about getting things in the
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  Speaker 4: right place right And then your example, you created too
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  Speaker 4: much stress in one area, It's like, how do we
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  Speaker 4: distribute that so it doesn't keep banging a hammer on
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  Speaker 4: the same spot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I thought before we sort of dive into
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  Speaker 2: the technical aspects of all of this, have you noticed
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  Speaker 2: Conor McGregor is gonna he wants to make a comeback. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he's a guy. He attracts a lot of media, doesn't he,
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  Speaker 2: and not not necessarily, not necessarily for the right reasons.
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  Speaker 2: But what they were saying, is a breakdown. The other
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  Speaker 2: day they said two things. They said, the reason he'll
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  Speaker 2: struggle coming back is that when you've been out of
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  Speaker 2: the game for a while, you lose them the kind
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  Speaker 2: of mental muscle memory that you build up by being
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  Speaker 2: in it every single day, training every single day, Your
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  Speaker 2: your your reactions get kind of razor sharp, and when
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  Speaker 2: you've been out out the game, even though you train
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  Speaker 2: in the gym and you go back in the ring,
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  Speaker 2: it's just not it's not razor sharp anymore. So you risk,
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  Speaker 2: I suppose, really getting whacked. And the other thing they
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  Speaker 2: said Pete was because he's got this metal rod down
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  Speaker 2: in his Is it your fema the lower part of your.
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  Speaker 4: Leg, the tibia.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, because he's got this metal rod in
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  Speaker 2: his tibia from where he had it broken that time.
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  Speaker 2: They're saying that he's subconsciously he'll always be conscious that
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  Speaker 2: that's there, and he won't kick, he won't kick as
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  Speaker 2: hard as he probably needs to. Is this kind of
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  Speaker 2: how it.
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  Speaker 3: Is to think? I think so.
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  Speaker 4: To the first point when you mentioned about getting them
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  Speaker 4: back in like being out for a period of time
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  Speaker 4: one he had the injury, so subconsciously it's like, is
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  Speaker 4: he going to let up or not put everything into
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  Speaker 4: it because he's a little nervous about the leg I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, maybe he's not. But the thing is you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned about the reactions one hundred percent, and especially as
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  Speaker 4: your agent, it's not like he's a spring chicken in
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  Speaker 4: terms of like fighting age. So he's out for you know,
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  Speaker 4: however long you get back in and you mentioned it
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  Speaker 4: like when you're in it every day, Yes, the reactions
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  Speaker 4: are there. He's getting back into it. But even as
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  Speaker 4: your age, that stuff, it goes all away just a
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  Speaker 4: little bit. Like these guys are running on very fine margins,
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  Speaker 4: so you lose just a little bit. It's a big
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  Speaker 4: difference a matter of just getting hit or not or
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  Speaker 4: just skimming something. You know, So how is that going
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  Speaker 4: to affect them? Who knows? His experience could help them
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  Speaker 4: in that sense too, But again, the stuff, it's a
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  Speaker 4: tricky window. It's the same thing with like boxers and
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  Speaker 4: stuff like that. You see if they lose just like
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  Speaker 4: that little step or a little bit of an edge,
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  Speaker 4: that reaction time, all that stuff. But they know what
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  Speaker 4: they want to do, like they can do it, but
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  Speaker 4: the body just isn't allowing them to do it just
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  Speaker 4: at that speed and we're talking milliseconds differences, and you
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  Speaker 4: know that's it could be a difference maker between people.
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  Speaker 4: That's where you see like the decline and age or
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  Speaker 4: the aging athlete as they say. So it's incredible when
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  Speaker 4: someone is at a higher age and they're still able
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  Speaker 4: to do it. They found a way to adapt or
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  Speaker 4: do something to accommodate for these inevitable declines. You know,
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  Speaker 4: father time is loses to no one, right, So that's
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  Speaker 4: what I would say from there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And you work with a lot of these guys,
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  Speaker 2: and you've worked with people in the military and this
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, how come I think I mentioned this
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  Speaker 2: when I chatted to you before. You see someone like
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  Speaker 2: Djokovic or you know, these guys, they've they've been batting
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  Speaker 2: that tennis ball for years and years. I mean like
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  Speaker 2: careers that last probably well since they since they were
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  Speaker 2: like three or four years old, maybe five years old,
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  Speaker 2: and they're retiring when they're sort of around forty, it's
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  Speaker 2: thirty five years. They've been on top of the game.
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  Speaker 2: How how do they stay ahead of injury? How do
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  Speaker 2: they cope with the ones that they get.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a combination of a lot of things. Right,
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  Speaker 4: So they definitely have their own teams behind them that
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  Speaker 4: are managing their their bodies. So they're seeing things like
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  Speaker 4: as an athlete age, as they have them manage like
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  Speaker 4: how often are they getting after it right, because the
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  Speaker 4: recovery is not going to be the same, So they
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  Speaker 4: got to manage this stuff. So when they're playing, that's
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  Speaker 4: like when they're really at their their peak. They're getting
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  Speaker 4: after it and they need to recover from that. Genetically speaking,
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  Speaker 4: you know that you can't change like some people just
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  Speaker 4: have genetic gifts to be able.
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  Speaker 3: To withstand more stress.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's the adaptations over time because they were
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  Speaker 4: trained well or bid in this that they were able
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  Speaker 4: to manage themselves so they avoid serious injuries or and
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  Speaker 4: they're listening to themselves, right. If something seems minor, they
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  Speaker 4: have someone to address, someone addressing that so that it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't become bigger. Because even minor things, it's like, eh, no,
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  Speaker 4: no big deal, you brush it off. When you're twenty,
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  Speaker 4: you feel like you can run through a wall, so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you're gonna it's no big deal.
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  Speaker 3: You can brush it off.
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  Speaker 4: But when you're even when you're creeping up to twenty five,
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  Speaker 4: twenty six, twenty seven, you're like, you know that stuff's
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  Speaker 4: there in your physical peak, if you will, or an
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  Speaker 4: athletic peak, but you know that little stuff. It's a
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  Speaker 4: it's a fine line you hear and then it starts
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  Speaker 4: to tick down. So staying ahead of that stuff. And
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  Speaker 4: then the other thing is the experience, like we were
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  Speaker 4: talking about before, Like in tennis, you got to think
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  Speaker 4: maybe their speed isn't the same or the reaction time,
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  Speaker 4: but they've been playing for so long. They're putting the
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  Speaker 4: ball in a place they can almost anticipate where that
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  Speaker 4: ball coming back to them is going to go because
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  Speaker 4: they've been seeing it so many times, just subconsciously, the
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  Speaker 4: way their opponents swing in the racket, how it's coming around,
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  Speaker 4: the spin of the ball. They can almost move into
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  Speaker 4: a place maybe half a step sooner and anticipate that,
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  Speaker 4: which gives them the ability to get ahead of it
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  Speaker 4: to make up for speed or things like that. And
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  Speaker 4: that's the one thing that maybe Connor McGregor could get
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  Speaker 4: away with in terms of like the fighting same thing.
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  Speaker 4: He might be able to create an opportunity for himself
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  Speaker 4: because he can anticipate what they're going to do and
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  Speaker 4: just kind of put them in a position that gives
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  Speaker 4: him an advantage. So that's what these great athletes can do.
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  Speaker 4: They adapt when their body is changing over time and
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  Speaker 4: what they experience, they can change and apply that skill
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  Speaker 4: and use their skills to the best of their ability
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  Speaker 4: by making their opponents make the mistake and that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and not be discouraged. You know, as as they're going
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  Speaker 4: they just have the mental will power that they're never
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  Speaker 4: going to lose.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to find a way to get it done.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm thinking, do you know much about I
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  Speaker 2: know this isn't really your field, but I chuck it
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  Speaker 2: out there anything because I talk about this a lot
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  Speaker 2: childhood trauma.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, not like a ton, but I understand where
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  Speaker 3: you come. Foil with you? Yeah, where are you going
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  Speaker 3: with it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the reason I mentioned because I'm like, I'm a
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  Speaker 2: scholar of life. I like looking at everything and trying
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  Speaker 2: to work out, you know, probably trying to understand myself
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  Speaker 2: because I make some really crazy decisions like I climb
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  Speaker 2: we are I climb out Everest last month? A Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but random, isn't it? You know, it's a bit. It's
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  Speaker 2: a bit, it's a bit bizarre. And I went in.
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  Speaker 2: I was in a bar the other day with my
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  Speaker 2: friend and I put my glass on the bar and
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  Speaker 2: I ordered another drink, and she said, oh, I'll just
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  Speaker 2: washed that for you, you know, or get you another glass,
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  Speaker 2: as they say. And I was just like, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 2: like coming from where I'm come from, the absolute depravity
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  Speaker 2: of some of the stuff that goes on in Everest.
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  Speaker 2: You're eating out the same thing that you've eaten out
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  Speaker 2: of like six times and it's hardly been washed. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a bit random, like I say, But what I was
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  Speaker 2: getting at is when you look at like Conor McGregor,
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  Speaker 2: especially when you look at how he spiraled into substance
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  Speaker 2: misuse and addiction and real kind of desperately attention seeking
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  Speaker 2: behavior and Tyson Fury, you know, not to the same degree,
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  Speaker 2: but he's been open about his mental health problems. He's
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  Speaker 2: been open about his substance you know, use, and that
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  Speaker 2: he almost considered driving his car into a tree or
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  Speaker 2: off a bridge or something. And then you hear them
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  Speaker 2: announce they're coming out of retirement, and it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: so many I mean a lot of people are obviously
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  Speaker 2: really happy because they love to watch these guys fight.
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  Speaker 2: And let's be honest, those two guys that you know,
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  Speaker 2: love them or hate them, they're kind of iconic in
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  Speaker 2: that sport. They've done a lot for that sport in
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  Speaker 2: recent years. But then I can't help but think, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's also a lot of people going, oh, come on, guys,
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  Speaker 2: give it a rest. Go and be a good family man.
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  Speaker 2: Go and like, you know, spend some time with your
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  Speaker 2: kids and don't don't risk getting your brains bashed out
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  Speaker 2: in the You don't need the money the dead And
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  Speaker 2: so the question there is, well, if they don't need
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  Speaker 2: the money, which obviously they don't, what is it. Why
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  Speaker 2: do they need these winds in the ring and this
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  Speaker 2: adulation that comes with it? And Pete, my kind of
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  Speaker 2: thinking is like, deep down they're really missing that kind
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  Speaker 2: of affirmation they get from from from you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: that public feedback that they get and love is replacing
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  Speaker 2: something that deep down, you know, deep down, that they're missing.
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  Speaker 4: Think about it, like, when do these guys get started
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  Speaker 4: with that stuff. It's at a young age and they're
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  Speaker 4: working their way up. That's essentially their identity, it's their
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  Speaker 4: entire adult life and before that. So when you don't
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  Speaker 4: have that anymore, it's like, what's going on? Like if
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  Speaker 4: that was your whole If you're in the gym, you're
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  Speaker 4: training every day, you're surrounded by people that you know
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  Speaker 4: that are helping you reach the pinnacle, and then if
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  Speaker 4: that just goes away.
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  Speaker 3: That makes it hard to cope with too.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, how do you just go back to a
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  Speaker 4: regular life, because what is regular life? If your whole
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  Speaker 4: life was this before, you know, that's a that's a
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  Speaker 4: tough thing, like and you can look at it even
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  Speaker 4: just like you're in military stuff like that. Some guys
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  Speaker 4: are in the military, they're whole like it's a way
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  Speaker 4: of life, it's a routine, all these things, and when
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  Speaker 4: you leave sometimes it's really tough to.
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  Speaker 3: Be like what do I do now?
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  Speaker 4: And that stuff is really important, and I think that's
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  Speaker 4: why a lot of guys go back to if they
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  Speaker 4: think they can do it, they still got something to
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  Speaker 4: prove to themselves, then so be it, you know, but
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  Speaker 4: it might just be an identity thing, and like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it's hard for them to pulp outside of that one thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems it seems to be affect boxers more
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  Speaker 2: than others. And I just think the whole kind of
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  Speaker 2: thing around that is that it's a violence sport. It
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  Speaker 2: tracks people from kind of dispossessed backgrounds who you know,
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  Speaker 2: use the boxing schools to as a sort of father
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  Speaker 2: that maybe wasn't really a good fart, you know, who's
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  Speaker 2: maybe not even there or whatever. Yes, no, we're not
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  Speaker 2: judging folks. We're just asking, you know, just pondering, pondering,
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  Speaker 2: pondering these things. Yes, it's funny. Sometimes I'll be in
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  Speaker 2: the supermarket, like with my girlfriend and our son and
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  Speaker 2: someone someone just comes up to us and they're like,
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  Speaker 2: it's you. It's like they've seen they've seen my podcast
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  Speaker 2: or they've seen something on social media, and and you know,
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  Speaker 2: they come out and we have a hug or we
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  Speaker 2: shake hands or whatever and quick, quick, quick chat, and
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  Speaker 2: it's it's lovely. It's nice. I'm really lucky that it's
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  Speaker 2: very rare. It's you know, it depends where I am.
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  Speaker 2: If I'm at a festival, it's it's depending on what
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  Speaker 2: kind of festival it is. It can be quite a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that come up. So I love your show,
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  Speaker 2: But my my son and my girlfriend they know to
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  Speaker 2: keep me in check. They just laugh, they laugh their asses.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like they just know to laugh at it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just don't don't get head. Of course, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's because they because they know me, is what I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to say. You know, they know the real me.
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  Speaker 2: And if these people knew the real me, they'd like
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  Speaker 2: run a mat they probably run a mile. So I
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  Speaker 2: kind of see it, Pete from that, you know, with
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  Speaker 2: these celebrities, when people have sort of stopped asking you
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  Speaker 2: for selfies in the street, it must be a yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it must be a big thing.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, it's a weird change on life. And it's
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  Speaker 4: like flipping a light switch because you're so recognizable and
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  Speaker 4: not at all. And then that could lead to, you know,
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  Speaker 4: some issues of feeling lonely or stuff like that. You
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  Speaker 4: don't certain support systems aren't around you. It's it can
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  Speaker 4: happen to anybody. You know, you get used to this way,
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  Speaker 4: like everybody's like, hey, everybody knows you, and then if
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  Speaker 4: they don't like that wouldn't be a good feeling. I
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: mean I could see that happening even to myself, that
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: somebody you'd be you'll be thinking what did I do wrong?
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: What's wrong with me? Why doesn't anybody like me? Stuff?
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: But it's you know, we're tribalistic people, so for not
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: people like us, we're like, oh, we're part of this
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: big tribe that goes away.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: What happens, I don't belong anywhere. So that is like
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: a huge part of that, for sure.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: And I would personally not want to be in that
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: realm because of like the pressures of that for sure,
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: just seeing it from the outside.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: But you know some people feed off of that too.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: That gives them the energy and keeps them going.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. It's a bit of a cont what's the word.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I can't think of the word, but you know, if
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: you keep your own fitness going. So I'm fifty six
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: and I still you know, I still run all the time,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: or I go to the gym, or I swim or whatever,
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: and I can't imagine like not you know, I went
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: out before Everest because I concentrated on a fitness for
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a year, I actually ran out. I went out in
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: my three mile time was the fastest I can ever
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: remember doing it. We're talking probably like in twenty years
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: and I'm fifty six.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: The difference is like, I keep at it, but I'm
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: not going to I'm not going to get my face
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: smashed in and yeah right you so yeah, funny one,
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: funny one. What do you think about ice baths have
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: been really become really popular, haven't they in recent years?
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, I'll do him every once in a while. I
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: mean there's some stuff's mixed research. A lot of people
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: say it's better if you do it before the workout
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: instead of after for a few minutes to help the
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: The thing is, it's like before the workout they say
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: it's going to stimulate more testosterone stuff like that to
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: help with a better workout, and then other people say,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: you know, you want to do it afterwards to help
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: produce the information kind of shock the system, boost the recovery,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: or kick start the recovery system.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: But I like them. It feels good, it's kind of invigorating.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: So some one of those things like if you ever
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: call like whim Hoff or something like that, like he
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: was big and that's how he got started. It was
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: like he was depressed and he just decided to go
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: in this really cold like lake or pond bya his house,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: and then that just started to help him feel better
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: and he's created. He essentially created the whole movement. I
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: feel like with all that stuff, and it is very powerful.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: I think it can be it can be helpful. But
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: the other stuff that I think is good is like sauna.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: People do a lot of that stuff, Infra red light
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: and the other thing. Are there cryo tanks so instead
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: of like the ice bath, like some people they maybe
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: they can't handle the cold water.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: But it's just like the cold air.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: You can come in and you only need to be
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: in it for like ninety seconds, maybe a minute, And
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: those are pretty helpful. They have like a lot of
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: these spots like around here. You can go in that
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: cryo tank, go right to the sauna, do that contrast
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: type of recovery method.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: It can be helpful, and then it's just coming down
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: to just taking care of your body and being on
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: the move.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, I'm I'm quite fortunate because I built
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: a sauna in in my back garden.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I figured i'd buy like a nice garden shed, like
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: a decent one, because you can get really cheap ones,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: you know, pay like a couple of hundred bucks or something.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: But I paid about five hundred bucks or something for
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a really nice Sorry, folks, I'm talking in American language.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: What's that like three hundred? I paid about four hundred
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: pounds I think it was for a nice garden shed.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And then I bought all the stuff online to make
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the sauna, you know, the vapor barrier and the special
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: You've got to have special tree, seasoned wood. Otherwise it
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: just all bends and kinks, and then the heater of course,
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and lighting and this sort of stuff. And it took
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: me about six weeks. I thought it was going to
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: take about three days to build, and then six weeks later,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I'm still building this sauna. And then I added up
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: everything that it cost me. It's like four and a
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: half pounds I'd spent and you can buy them for
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: three thousand. Yeah, but hey, how you know there's nothing
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: like building your own stuff.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that's awesome.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So yes, what do you think do you
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: think kind of these these elite sports stars, do you
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: think their brains are wired differently to the rest?
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: I think so, yeah, because even like the guys at
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: the highest level, there's always going to be some that
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: are just outliers at the that's at the peak of
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: their sport. They're just different, you know, everything they do.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: They might have all the physical qualities. Someone might have
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: more physical qualities in them. But it kind of goes
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: back to I mentioned earlier. It's like a will power
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: to never lose or just be able to kick it
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: into another gear.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: And it's just something that people had. It could be trainable.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: I think some of it is just you're born with it,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: and then you're just training on top of that, really
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: pushing yourself. Like these people push themselves to the one
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: that they know what they can handle and they're never
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: going to let someone just take them down. So I
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: think it's just one of those things that you I
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: don't think you can train every anybody to just have it,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: even if they are elite.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Athletes in their own right.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Some people just aren't going to be the peak or
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: the pinnacle like some of these other guys. And it's
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: just it is what it is, like that clutter gene.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Everybody talks about stuff like that. It's some people just
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: have it, some people don't, and maybe some people haven't
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: they just never wanted to put the effort in to
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: actually make it the best it could be.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: But we'll never know about them. Anyways.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when your wonderful country is hosting the
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: World Cup at the moment, right, the first is well
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: what we call football, what you guys call soccer. And
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: then when you see like you know, when you sort
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: of see Argentina play, it's almost like they know they're
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: going to win before they've set for do you know
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: what I mean? They're going to do everything every because
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: they it's like they have total belief in themselves. It
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean they're necessarily going to win, but they totally
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: believe they are the best, and they play, you know,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: they play the best like Messi. And then I'm not
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: knocking England, but we've got this thing here where people
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: don't our media, you know, our press, our news is
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: so evil in this country that they won't let people
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: feel good about themselves. You know, they'll give you a
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: little bit when you're doing well, and then the second
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: something comes along, they just tear you down and they
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: destroy your confidence. And so we've had a team now
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: for the last well probably since the nineteen sixty six
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: World Cup which we won, we've had a team that's
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: always they always go to the negative first. It's always like, well,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you know, this match tonight, if we get a bit
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: of luck, you know, if things go our way, you know,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: we we we're hoping that, you know, we you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: we might get a rid And what gets me Pete
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: is like, have they never had like a positive mental
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: attitude psychologist, go and speak to them and tell them,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: don't talk like that. You're literally talking yourself into losing
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: what so, Yeah.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Because awfully, it's it's hard for them to avoid that
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: with like you know, social media and everything else.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Like you could be a coach or anybody on the
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: team say don't listen to the media, don't read this stuff.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: But it's hard not to just see. It's always in
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: our face, right, So if they see that they're almost
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: written off, it can almost create a subconscious like, eh,
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: we're just not that good, you know, and it can
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: bring it down.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, you just said it, right.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: If you keep it positive and they feel like more
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: people believe in them, it's like, Okay, we can do this,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: we can put it together. It's I think there's a
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: lot of merit to that stuff, especially in team sport
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: things too.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I've been so I do this thing.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Now I've done it. For a while. Is like I
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: just tell the universe what I want and that it
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: has to give it to me, and it works. That's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: all I can say. It just works. You know, when
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I when I went to Nepoal last month or the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: month before the fact, it was actually March, I think
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: our expedition started, I just said, right, Universe, here's the deal.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I'm climbing Everest. That's it. There's no other outcome other
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: than me summiting. Then someone pointed out, well, Chris, you
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: better get back down. I was like, oh, yeah, I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: better add that in as well as I so I said,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to sum it successfully, and I just it's
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: like I knew it would manifest. You know, yeah, I
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: just knew it would. But I've always done that. I'm
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: always done that. I think when you do some sort
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: of extreme athletics, which I've done over the years, extreme
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: endurance stuff, there's an awful lot of people that just
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: try and talk you out of it. Yes, you know,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like last year we rolled across me and my buddy
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: rowed across the Atlantic. Okay, so many people Pete Well,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and we actually had a skipper that had done it
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: before tell us that we were fucking losers. And you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: why are you kidding? Why are you kidding yourself? You
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: can do that. You need to spend three years preparation.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: You need to be you need to go and find
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a hospital that will teach you surgery, you know, in
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: case you have to like do open heart surgery on
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: each other. I'm joking a bit, but you know, it
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, and then there was a team
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: here where I lived. Their boat was next to us
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: in the in the wharf where we kept it, you know,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the boatyard, and they were out every single week and
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: they were going out like forty miles out to sea
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: in storms and all this crazy kind of stuff. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I just thought, they're scared, you know, they're not. They're
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: doing this because they're afraid of failure rather than like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: you need to do this to succeed. And me and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: my buddy we jumped in that boat. We rowed about
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a mile and a half, maybe two miles. A big
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: ship went past and the boat went and we both
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: thought we were going to fall overboard. So we said,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: should we go to the pub? Yeah, So we rode
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to a bar. We rode to a nearby marina and
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: called our families up on the phone and we all
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: had a lovely meal. It was great. So that was
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: our That was our pre preparation. I'm being a bit facetious.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: You have to do a bit more. You know. You've
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: got to know navigation, you got to know how to chuck,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: you know how to put a put a c parachute,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: and you've got to understand you know a few things.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, most of that we did in
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: the two weeks before we before we set sail or
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: set rowing.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to do the.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Whole thing, that one took us fifty two days, okay,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it is really simple. You just got to
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: stay clipped onto that boat, you know, yeah, because the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: worst thing that's going to happen is you get rolled
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: over and if you're clipped on, then you can't. You know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you don't. You don't want to fall overboard on an
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Atlantic Rambert, I tell you that now, right, because because
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: the you're getting pushed so fast by the wind that
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you could never swim to catch up with it. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: out of fear, you just make sure you're clipped on
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: all the time. It's not a difference. I mean, I
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: think once I went on deck and I'd forgotten to
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: do it, and I was like, oh Christ quick, clip
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: my safety harness on, you know, and we did roll.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: We rolled about three hundred miles off Barbados. We oh,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: we got quite a big swell and I didn't think
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: it was that big it was going to roll us over,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: but this wave just came in and before we knew it,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: the boat went that way and then it picked it
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: up and it chucked it over that way. So we
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: were sat upside down in the deep green sea for
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: about fifteen seconds or so, which doesn't sound long.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: But you know that I felt pretty long here.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything was sort of greeny blue, and I sat
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: there and I thought we'd better come up, you know.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And because we shut the hatches on the front cabin
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and the back cabin where you know, the beautiful boat Isabelle,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: that sort of came back up. But what I'm trying
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to say is is fear just gets so many people,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't it, and stops and living their dream.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you tell yourself enough that you're not going
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: to do it, you're going to believe it and you're
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: just not going to do it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: It's plenty of research.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I says that like you just like you said, you
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: just tell the universe I'm going to do this no
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: matter what, You're going to do it because you'll believe
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: it and you'll do anything.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: You just make it happen.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: So yeah, even subconsciously, if you're telling yourself and it's
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: in the back of your mind that you're not going
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: to be able to do this, you might just give
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: up or be afraid to go that step further. The
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: mind is a powerful thing, that's for sure. Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I've just always had this thing like if someone
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: else can do it, you know, then anyone can do it,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: you know, with within reason obviously.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, what did you train for to do? On
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: your questions?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Your question is probably way more interesting than what I
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was going to say.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: No, I want to know how long did it take
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: you to train forever?
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: Because you said you did it about a month ago,
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: and you know that's like, what did you do training
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: for that? I know someone else that recently just did
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: that and they were training for you know, a couple
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: of years, doing like a lot of climbing stuff like that.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: What did you do since after your wrong story? Did
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: you just go to the pub kid? Yeah?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So mine was kind of sum is quite unique for
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of reasons. Basically, I plan to do it
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven with a friend of mine and
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: we'd physically agreed, Look, if we're going to climb out,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: we need to decide to do it, because it's not
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not going to be handed to us
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: on a plate and everything I've done in my life, Pete,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: as long as you make that decision, it then happens, doesn't,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever it might be. So we made that decision,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: and we started to think about, you know, are we
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: going to do this for charity if so, you know
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: which charity, and this this kind of stuff, and how
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: we could raise the money and sponsorship and this sort
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: of thing. And then I was approached on Facebook by
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: a sherpa that actually owned an expedition company, a climbing company,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And I thought, you know, is this the universe sending
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: me someone right at the right moment. So I sent
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: them a message and I said, h oh, I guess
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: we're climbing Everest then, and this guy replied, yep, I
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: guess so. And he was a world record breaking sherpa.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He'd climbed Everest, he had the fastest time climbing from
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the Tibetan or the Chinese side up and then climbing
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: down the Nepalese side, so that you know, this was
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: a guy that you'd figured knew what he was sort
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: of doing. And I said, okay, twenty twenty seven, and
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: he was quite shortened to the point about he said, no,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: next year twenty twenty six. He said, in twenty twenty seven, Chris,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: there's going to be all sorts of new rules coming
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: out about who can climb Everest, how much money. You know, Yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to pay more money for the permit,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. I'm not saying this is true, but
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: this is what. Yeah, you know what he said. He said,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: you're just way better to climb it this year while
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: everything is still the same. The only difference was they'd
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: raise the permit this year by something like three thousand dollars.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I'm plucking out of thin air. I don't exactly know
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: what it was, but I knew they'd put it up,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: so I was like, oh, okay. So the truth is, Peter,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I didn't really have any time to do. You know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I had to do what I always do when I
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: do these kind of adventurous things. I had to use
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: my time accordingly. So I thought, right, dealing with the
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: altitude is obviously going to be the biggest thing, isn't it.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Fitness is not such a big thing, simply because I'm
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: always moderately fit. And so the very first thing I
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: did as I called up my buddy and I said,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: let's climb the highest mountain in the UK, which I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: think is snowdun Or. I just said to him, let's
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: climb Snowden and it's the highest mountain in Wales or something, right,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: So we climb that and that was quite an eye opener,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: that a domestic peak that's not really particularly tall in
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: the ground scheme of things can there's quite ninja when
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: we were The route that we took was pretty ninjury
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: at the top. If you if we put a foot wrong,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: you're gonna fall. You're you're probably gonna fall to your
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: death or a serious, serious injury. Right. So so I
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: did that and at the same time I just got
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: as fit as I could. I ran. One day, I
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: went to the gym and did sort of light all
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: over bodywork and some sort of physiotype stuff, you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: yoga type stuff. The next day, and then I swam
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the next day, and I was happy to do that
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: every day of the week. Really I don't. I don't
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: really like days off because it kind of slows me
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: down a bit, if that makes sense. So I did that.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: At the same time, I'd already been reading and researching
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: everything I could on everestfors since I was about five
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: years old. That's when I first got the interest, and
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: since the nineteen ninety six disaster, which they've made I
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: say disaster. You know, eight people lost their lives on
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Everest in nineteen ninety six, So I read everything I
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: could since then and studied everything I could and try
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: to figure out like why did these people die? And
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: to be honest, it's it. You start to work out
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: stuff that you'd never know before. And one of the
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: things is a lot of these companies put people on
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: so much oxygen right from the bottom of the mountain
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: to the top because they want them to succeed. So
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: what happens is if their oxygen runs out on the summit,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: they can't live. Their body is just not a class
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: so they immediately get there cerebral edema or pulmon area edema,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and I saw two of these well, I don't know
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: why these two people died up there, but you know
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: you have to step across were I had to step
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: across two dead bodies just to get up there, and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: just to get up there. It sounds a bit rude,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: doesn't it. But what I mean is, you know, they're
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: one guy I think had died this year, and one
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: guy had been up there quite quite a while. And
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm learning all this kind of minuchai stuff
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: in the background watching every YouTube video. I cannot climbing
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: climbing harnesses, how to get out of a cravrass. And
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I knew when we got there that we'd climb a
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: six thousand, two hundred meter a peek, so it wasn't
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: like we was just going to go straight to Everest.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: And I'll be honest, like, I'm an Arctic warfare trained commando.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: So the kind of living in a tent, heating up
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: snow to make water, like, I know, all of that's
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: you know, that sort of stuff. The actual climbing really
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: is pretty much limited to what you call a zuma,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: which you clip on the rope and you just slide
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: it up like this. There's a couple of bits where
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you've got to get a bit physical. But anybody that
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: climbed up an apple tree as a kid to you know,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: nick apples, or climbed over you know, ran a you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: cherry knocked people's doors and then had to climb over
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: a couple of couple of fences to escape that it
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: wasn't much harder than that. You know, it's it's people
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: are going to take me a bit literally here and disagree,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: But what I mean is that it wasn't. There's nothing
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: about it that's that hard. Your main thing is you
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: don't want to fall in a crevass, and like.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: The safety than the actual physical effort that it takes.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And you want to climatize. And the climatization was hard,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: much harder than I thought. You know, I actually went
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: all the way back to Catman do because I was,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you know, my body was reacting badly at first, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: so that was that really And again, you know, this
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: is going to upset people, and I make no apology.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: All these things are reasons why people would not climb Everest.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: They say, I want to do it, but whoa, it's
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: all too risky. And here's the thing, Peter, if someone's
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: done it if an eighty year old Japanese man's done it,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: if a Kei we guy with no legs has done it,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: like you can do it, buddy, you know what I mean.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: It's the only thing stopping you is the way that
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: your mind is wired. And and people get really upset
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: about this. There was, you know, a lot of controversy
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: cause because you know, we had one Basically, I was
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: climbing with a Polish chat and I'm going to shut
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: up after this because I'm aware I'm talking a lot,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: but it is quite interesting, I think. But we were
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: effectively abandoned on the mountain, and we were the last
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: people on everest, were the last I was the last
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: person to sum it. The poor Polish guide didn't didn't
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: sum it. And there's so much nuance that goes on
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: in a story like this. You know that the public
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: could never understand, you know, they just just could never understand.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Like for example, we we got supplied five cylinders of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: oxygen and I remember saying, look, could I buy two
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: more just to be you know, it makes sense to
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: be a bit safety conscious here, doesn't it. And if
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: they're only five, they were five hundred dollars apiece which
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: is a lot of money for me, but in the
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: grand scheme of what you pay to summit, that's like nothing,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: you know, It's it's like, what's another thousand bucks? Right?
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: And the thing was it really limited us because the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: company we were, we were with, they they didn't really perform.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: And it meant that when I went to the summit,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I could only breathe one liter of oxygen per minute.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: I think, I think that's how it works, which was fine,
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: which was fine. You know, what I'm trying to say
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: is some of the bigger companies, you know, the famous ones,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: they've got their clients on anything between four liters and
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: eight liters a minute. Right, they're literally breathing like you
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: and I are breathing now, and they just walk walk up.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: They get them up there and they you know, take
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: their photo, and the company gets a result because it
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: can say, yeah, we had all our people summit this year.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Whereas for us it was very different. We you know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: we we were we had the basic oxygen routine, you
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: could say, so we didn't have anything to squander peters.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: So we went up really steady, took it easy, and
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: like I say, it's all mental, you know, it's it's
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: it's just yes, it's physical, Yes, you've got to be acclimatized,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: but whether you get up there or not, it's so
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: much of it is to do with your you know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: your mental attitude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sorry, I went on
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: a bit of a tangent. Then it's yeah, it's just
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: it's all, you know, for something that should have been,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: you know, such a great result, it's caused. It's caused
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of nonsense, is what I'm trying to say.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: And it's really sad. It's just so sad, how you know,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: when you know the truth and and it gets just
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: so taken out of context by by people that like
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: have never even been there, and it's it's just a
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: bit it's been a bit bizarre, is what I'm trying
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: to say. So I'm being I'm probably being a bit
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to over explain it a little bit because
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: when you say.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: How many people can say they've done it right, yeah exactly,
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: but here.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But I think you know, that doesn't necessarily
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: go in your favor because I think people really wish
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: that they could do it, and so it's so easy
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: then to go to the negative about Everest and say, yeah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: it was rich rich. It's like anyone who knows me
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: knows I'm not rich, you know. Ah, it's people that
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: abuse the abuse the shirt. It's like, dude, I've lived,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: worked and traveled in eighty nine countries on all six
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: seven continents. Do you not think I probably know how
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: to treat people? And you know, I'm sort of a
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: life coach and a teach enlightenment. It's you know, I'm
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: not going to be going to Nepal to abuse the
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: workers there, believe me. And and then it's kind of
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: interesting Peter that I come. You know, there's a whole
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: thing going on in the whole community on Everest that
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: people just they just don't they're not aware about it,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and they wouldn't be aware about unless you've been they
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: have been there yourself. So yeah, it's all a bit bizarre. Sorry,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I'm waffling on a bit because it's it's so hard.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: It's just so hard to put into words, you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: so hard to put put it's so hard to put
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: the nuance into words. It's just really simple. You know,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go on holiday next week to IBETHA.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Literally not one person has messaged me and gone, oh,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't go to Ibetha. You're going to be leaving
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: all your rubbish. You know, you canna be drinking out
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: of plastic bottles. You're going to be abusing the locals
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: because you know, they're just there. They they survive on tourism. Madded.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Like literally nobody has said that or will say that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: when you announced, when you announce you're going to Everest,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: which yes, it's a you know, secret sacred place whatever,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: but it's still just another place on the planet. It's
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: just an area of land. The bit that we're talking
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: about that you go as a climber, it's it's like
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: like a needle on a football pitch. That's how much
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: ground you're you're going to cover, you know. So yeah, yeah, yes, anyway, Sorry,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: apologies again, Peter.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: It's it's nothing apologize about.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just it's a it's a whole bizarre,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: bizarre sort of thing. Anyway. So coming on the last thing,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, what are your views on
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: sports shoes, you know, running shoes. Sure, because I tried
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: to go minimalist. I did barefoot running for quite a bit.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: And then what happened was I got real bad. I
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: got like these I don't know what you call them.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: You'll you'll know better than me. They're like they're like
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: a blister, but they're under the skin and they're quite hard.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I know what you're saying. Yeah, not like a cyst.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that sort of thing where way, yeah, where your
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: body is trying to protect h it's trying to stop
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the bone pushing through the skin. Basically, it creates these
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: these little things like they feel like candy, like these
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: little you know, we call them like, yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I almost said a callous but it's not a con
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: I know you need, but yeah, I understand what we're saying,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Like a burst.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: That's the one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So and so that
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: put pay put pay to that. You know, I can
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: keep running barefoot. It was just too painful. And then
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I went completely the other way and I bought a
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: pair of Hawkers, you know, for friends at home. Hawkers
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: are the big, thick running shoes on a cloud. Yeah,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: and they've obviously become incredibly popular. I've since gone on
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: to a company called Ultra, which are just oh yeah,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I know, even better again. Yeah, And my first run
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: in the Hawkers, these highly cushioned shoes. They call them
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: clown shoes. It was my fastest time for years, Peter,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you know, and the reason was it was that thing
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: we were saying. I wasn't afraid because I've had spinal surgeries.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I wasn't afraid to go flat out because it wasn't
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: jarring my spine. So I just wondered if you had
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: any kind of you know, views on that.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Shoot, you're talking about the running shoes themselves and stuff
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Running, Yeah, just you know, just some people believe in,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: you know, minimalist.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so they're craze. But I think it came
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: from you know, the book Born to Run, And I
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: think what happens is unless we're on like something like
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: the beach or in nature and stuff like, yes, maybe
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: we could run barefooted, but we're in such a developed
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: area now, like these sidewalks, the roadways, the hard pavements.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: It's artificial.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: It was never not adapted to that in a sense.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: So like the shoe or the shoes that we have
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: now are designed to create that cushion absorb the shock,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: if you will, so it can distribute a little bit better.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: And then the last piece of that is like all
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: these shoes are built a little bit differently. There's some
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: commonalities that we want in terms of like the shoe
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: being stable and structure, but the way your foot is
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: actually will determine the shoe that you need. So if
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: you're someone that has like a really high arch, you'll
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: land on the ball your toe a lot. That's where
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: you put a lot of stress. You wouldn't necessarily want
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: a shoe that. They call it a heel to toe drop.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: That's what like those minimal shoes that are being minimalists.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: It's a zero drop, right, It's like from heel to toe,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: there's nothing inclined. If someone that has a higher incline
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: is going to tip you towards your toe, so that's
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: going to pull out of stress. Want it can help
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: you spring forward, So that's why a lot of these
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: shoes are built that way. It's like it helps you
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: bounce across the ground, stuff like that. But if you're
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: someone that has like a high arch, it might push
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: you in a direction too much and it could create
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: more shress like achilles teninitis, plantar fascitis, stuff like that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: And it says we got to say, all right, maybe
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: we need something as a lower drop, but it doesn't
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: mean the shoes bad.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: And then if it's got a high cushion, is it
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: too much cushion?
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: And you're kind of a little like you can't stabilize
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: yourself as you hit the ground.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: So there are some nuances when you're looking at everything.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: It's not just like, oh you just get this running shoe.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Oh you got to wear this insert and you'll be
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: good to go.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: Maybe it'll be good for a little bit, but what
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: does that affect everything else?
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: So that's that's what I look at.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: When people come in and they're getting running shoes or
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: they ask me what's the best shoe, It's like, I
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: don't know, We're going to find the best shoot for you.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: It's not just one off the shelf.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, good, good advice. Yes, I'm sort of in that
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: place now where I sort of can't go back. Heah
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: yeah yeah, but you know i'd love to. I'd love
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: to be able to go minimalist and load drop and
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: all this this this kind of stuff. But so Peter,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: come into your services, now, what what what do you
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: offer people?
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: So I do sports performance type therapy of one on
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: one with everybody So anybody that's an active adult or
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: an athlete, whether they're playing you know, golf, tennis, pick
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: up sports, college athlete. I get quite a few of
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: those that if they had an injury, they're trying to
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: get back on the field or court, or they might
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: just not be the way they used to be and
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: these old injuries seem to rear their ugly head again.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: That's where we kind of bridge that gap help them
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: go from maybe they did the basic rehabs, but they
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: feel okay walking around, but when they do the higher level.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Stuff, it just isn't right. So we bridge that gap
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: to help them get there.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: And then on top of that, we might do maintenance
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: programs where people might just want training and programming and
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: stuff like that. They feel pretty good, but they won't
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: be able to maintain and go forward. We do that
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: And do you do sort of online consultation. I'm just
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: thinking that you're there in the States. I'm here in
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: the UK.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we do stuff online, absolutely, so I'll do Zoom consoles,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: I'll do treatment sessions online, or it could be a
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: programming thing.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: But we do meet like that. I've met with plenty of.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: People overseas Sweden, China, in the UK as well. So
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: I've been I've had clients all over you know, So
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: it's no big deal. It's just got to make the
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: time zone fit or the time fit. But yeah, we
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: do stuff like that all the time.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And I've been showing your I'm just looking at
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: my other screen here, I'm showing your website and your Instagram.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Is that the best way for people?
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, DM on Instagram is like the easiest
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: way if you wanted to get in touch with service
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: wise or set up like online consultation.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: We could definitely do stuff like that there, or you
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: can fill out a form on the website. I'll get
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: back to you there.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Awesome. Awesome. Is there anything you want to add that
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I haven't covered?
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: No, I don't think so. I mean we've got into
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: some pretty good stuff here. I like your story and
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: everything you're saying. It's all good stuff. And you mentioned
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: it earlier, you said, oh, I'm going to tell you
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: just don't do that. When you just go vol right
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: in and you don't warm.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Up, do all that stuff. That's ninety nine percent of
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: the people.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: So everybody does that, myself included sometimes. But I think
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: telling people that they have a routine, it's just some
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: sort of movement routine or something that keeps them healthy
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: or being able to open up their options to move
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: will be the best advice I could give somebody in
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: terms of preparing for sport or staying healthy long term
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: so they don't run into these small injuries that could
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: turn into bigger ones. So if you just have some
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: little five minute movement routine that you could do every morning,
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: or just create a habit, that would be it'd be
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: about eighty five percent ahead of the game compared to
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: everybody else.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like when I go to the gym, Peter,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm not interested in you know, big muscles
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: and all this stuff well anymore. Yeah, for me, it's
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: about being nimble and lean and you know, doing the
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: plank and just trying to like keep my body all
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: toned up to get not just a better performance, say
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: for example, when I'm running or when I'm doing sport
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: or adventure or whatever, but just to like feel good
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: about life.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's kind of funny. When it came down from Everest,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I was nine stone, so I was six six six
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: ste kilos, which is yeah, i'd lost.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: That's pretty late.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when they weighed me at the airport, they all
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: started laughing.
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  Speaker 3: Before going up again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing I was, Ah, I think I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: was like eleven and a half at one point, and
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: then I purposely just trimmed down at least to eleven
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: because my philosophy is always if you're doing someone endurance based,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: like why do you want to carry extra weight? It's
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: it's you know, you want to be you want to
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: be lean, and even on everything, they say no eat
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: a lot because when you get up there, you won't
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: be hungry, And I was like, yeah, but you know
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: from camp four to the summit and back, it's it's
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: you're talking less than a day, and when you run
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: an ultramarathon, you might be running for like two days
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, eating very very little sort of food.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Or when you do a water fast. I mean my
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: first water fast I didn't eat for I think it
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: was seventeen or eighteen days. Yeah, it's amazing what the
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: human body. My friend Chap called johnst. Julian. He's got
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: an awesome YouTube channel, like he does forty days or
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: he's done forty days, right, So I have kind of
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: like quite a different view when everyone's like, oh, you
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: got to eat a bowl carp eat loads of pasta
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: arm like no, I just don't, you know, Like when
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I go running, my best running time's always come when
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I fasted for twenty four hours. You know, you've emptied
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: your stomach a of the weight of everything that's in there,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: which can be you know, one or two kilos b.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Your body's not digesting it. So two thirds of your
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: energy you get, you've got back. Your body is not
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: trying to, you know, work on overdrive here. And and
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: the third thing is you just feel like you're not
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: bloated and stuffed and you fly along, you know. And
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: I heard the same thing. I was listening to an
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: audiobook about Everest and the guy in it it was
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: the first American, I think, to summit. It's quite a
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: while ago. And he said, you know, when he went
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: for the summit, he didn't eat breakfast. He said, you
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: can't set your stomach. He said something like, your body
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: can't serve two masters. You know, you either need the
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: energy to go to the summit or you need the
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: energy to digest food. You don't want to be doing,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to be doing both, so yeah, fascinating, awesome.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: I can't say I've done that long of a fast,
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: but it definitely makes a difference.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah. People are getting to grips with all
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: this kind of new you know it. All this stuff's
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: been hidden from us, isn't it. You know it's always
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: been like, oh, you need an operation and you've got
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: to take medication.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always been there. It's just that it's the
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: perception of it has changed now.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Dr Peter, thank you ever so much for
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: coming on the show, Friends at Home. This has been
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: a bit of a yap. I've probably spoken quite a lot,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: but that's you know, I don't do interviews, folks. I
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: invited Peter on the show because I just wanted a
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: good old chat about the stuff that I love, and
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's what we had innate and also great
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: opportunity to promote Peter's wonderful, wonderful work. So get in
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: touch with him and take that next step. Peter will
• 57:37
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• 57:40
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• 57:44
  Speaker 2: We've got plenty more good stuff like this for you
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: and Peter stay on the line so I can thank
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: you properly after I stopped recording, but massive thank you
• 57:53
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