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Talks to Si Hart & Frazer Gregory about their choice of The Mysterious Planet (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker, quicker
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  quicker. Doctor, doctor, doctor, doctor,
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  doctor in distress Let's. Let's say I've only got one
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  thing to say to you all. No, no, no, no, no.
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  What was your favorite line from Doctor in Distress?
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  There was a canine computer. No, what's the bit about the Ice
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  Warriors? They just stood 7 foot tall.
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  Oh, it's awful, isn't it? Prices you must have.
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  You must know the lines from Doctor in Distress.
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  I feel dirt, you know? Oh really?
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  Oh, I need. To go and shower, talk amongst
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  yourselves, but I could. Screw up that off.
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  Oh, of course. We've just made a direct
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  spiritual link between Fraser and Ian Levine.
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  Here's me. Well, who knew?
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  You know how Michael Storm has changed his name on Twitter to
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  Mortal Enemy of Joe Ford? Your Ford's nemesis.
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  That's right. I think that's what Ian Levine's
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  done now. He has a different one every
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  week so my time is long gone. Got it about you.
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  They always get the little people that.
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  May be like the pinnacle though of of your time in Phantom
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  Fraser. Is that what for one week you
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  were Ian Levine's number one enemy?
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  One enemy, yeah, possibly. I mean, there was that, There
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  was that other guy that threatened us with legal action.
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  That was I late. Oh yeah.
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  Jesus Christ. We'll not go into that one yet.
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  Yeah. Just, you know.
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  Having an. Opinion.
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  It's not like Ian Levine don't have a few opinions.
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  I'm sure we had some opinions on Trial of the Time Lord.
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  Oh, he well, he did, yes. I they'd had the very public
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  falling out at this point where Ian Levine, in typical Ian
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  Levine style, revealed things that he knew that weren't
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  supposed to be revealed. So he was the person who
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  revealed it was 14 episodes. He was the person who revealed
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  they were going to cast Bonnie Langford.
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  And all of this was to show I know things that you don't know.
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  And you should know this because this is a bad things that bad
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  JNT is doing because I don't agree with his vision of Doctor
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  Who anymore. I believe, he greeted.
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  This again and again and again. Didn't he greet the news of
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  Bonnie Langford's casting with elation?
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  No, no. I.
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  Know, I know. I think it's sarcastic.
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  The the same way that Eric Same Woods took the casting of Bonnie
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  Langford. 'S I mean, we'll get there into
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  Burvoy. 'S well, we will, yes.
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  He wrote that tricky. I think that scene that he wrote
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  is available as well, you know, So, yeah.
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  It's listening at that, Yeah. And she did it brilliantly.
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  Yeah, yeah, lovely old Ian Levine.
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  Well, let's forget about him and go and face an even greater
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  nemesis, The Valley Yard. Because really, there isn't
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  really a villain in Mysterious Planet, is there?
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  No, I mean, I suppose we've got Draffro.
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  Patrika. Is Strafford the villain though?
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  I know he wants to like, destroy the entire universe, but it's
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  sort of an accident. Yeah.
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  Well, Squirrel the villain. Grey was right about what
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  Bertine's doing. Yeah, but Merdine's what
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  Merdine's doing is right. So that makes Greyl the villain.
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  That's true. People are.
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  It's a bit like. A good world the.
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  Villain is right about what Tavros is doing, yes.
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  He's a correct Nazi, Yeah. How did you say?
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  Glitz, glitz, glitz. Well, I suppose he is only out
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  for himself. And yeah, it is his fault
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  everyone blows up at the end. That's.
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  True, he blows the totem pole up.
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  He does sell out the Doctor, but then he does save the Doctor in
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  episode 4, doesn't he? It's him.
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  It's him sort of falling draft row.
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  That means the Doctor can escape and save everybody.
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  And we know it's not the Colin's not the villain anymore, because
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  this is our nice Colin from Trial of the Time Lord.
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  So maybe that's why this feels quite light.
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  Yeah, because there isn't someone for the guys that.
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  Just listed everyone but. They're all not poor villains,
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  you know. No, they're not.
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  It's classic homes. He's just given them with
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  dimensions. They've all got.
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  Different motivations. It's not just, you know, that
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  guy is the villain because you know, you need to be like and
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  you know, look, is is blatantly the villain in the courtroom.
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  It's you know, there's there's there's a dimension there is.
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  Yes, this guy might be the villain, but he's a lovable
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  villain. This guy's the villain, but he's
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  got a rationale behind being the villain.
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  It's sort of like, you know, Chara's Jackie, look at Chara's
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  Jack and one of the all time classic villains, you know, as
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  villain as villain is, but there's a undercurrent with him
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  of, you know, he is this way because of what Morgus has done
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  to him. And you know, that lends him a
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  sympathy as well. So you have a you have a bit of
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  a sympathy for Katrika and you know, although she is just, you
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  know, playing batshit crazy for one, do what she's doing.
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  You know, you've got, you know, say Grell is technically a
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  villain, but it's understand he's just following his orders
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  and, and that sort of stuff. So there's there's there's not a
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  straightforward villain because. I mean on on what they're
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  actually doing though, or what their their actions.
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  Katrika is probably the biggest villain because in most places
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  when you attack somewhere with guns you're considered a
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  terrorist. So maybe Katrika's the villain.
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  I mean, one terrorist freedom fate, I think, isn't it so?
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  Comes to a very sticky end though, doesn't she?
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  Well, more crispy. Yeah, it's quite gross, isn't
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  it? Well, should we watch it?
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  Oh, let's do that. Yeah, why not?
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  Do you? Know what I knew I'd have fun
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  talking about column with U2. You know are.
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  We going to remember to press play this.
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  Time I want to press play without even counting somebody.
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  Count us in. I don't do commentaries very
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  often anymore. Now it's all fucking book clubs.
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  Let's get that with books. Count us into Chapter 4.
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  Let's go. Oh no, someone count us 3. 21
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  play. What does Colin say?
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  This is a farce, A Ferrago of. Chopped up charges.
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  Oh, this does have that fabulous court scene, doesn't it, In this
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  episode. It does, yes.
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  She goes. You will apologize at once for
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  telling the truth. Never.
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  Oh my God, I couldn't love him more.
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  Oh dear God. Hey, he's just, and I cannot say
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  it enough, you know, these courtroom scenes with him
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  kicking off are just absolutely beautiful, blistering, magnetic.
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  I've just realized, you know, I've got 10 more episodes of
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  Colin to talk to you people about as.
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  Well, we've got a long way to go yet.
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  I can see now why this ended up in your, you know, your top
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  sixty stories, Fraser. Yeah, yeah.
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  Although maybe a bit of cheap putting all fours, I mean it.
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  Was a bit of a cheap, but at the same time, I think I mean, it's
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  an interesting question because you know, obviously the the the
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  pub, the idea of this 14, you know, we've got 14 episodes.
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  Let's make it 1 big storyline, but then the propped it into
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  3-4. Sorry, you know, individual
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  chunks. Now, is that the best way to do
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  that? Or should they have just gone
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  the full Dalek master plan and said, you know, this is just
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  going to be the same story and it's just going to be go?
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  On, I think because they, yeah, because they've got different
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  production teams coming in because that's the way it's
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  broken down. They haven't got the almost the
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  facilities to make it as one long continuous story because
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  they're not going to be able to keep the same crew for the
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  whole, the whole time because that's not how the BBC works.
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  So it's, yeah, it's kind of fudged because they can't do
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  what they did in the 60s. And even then, unusual to
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  structure a see a series of telly like this then, yeah.
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  Absolutely. And even in master plan you've
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  got two different designers, you know, working through the whole
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  lot and and things like that. So you haven't got the complete
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  continuity. But this is literally structured
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  like a new series season, a beginning under one end, twist
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  turns, reversal, shock exits, the works.
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  And I'm not sure that the audience in 1986 were quite
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  ready for that. I'm certainly not fandom.
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  Interestingly, though, Luke Malloy, who's easily the
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  youngest person I talked to on Hamster, so he came to this.
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  So he watched the new series first and then he started
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  experiencing Trial of a Time was one of his favorite seasons.
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  He loves it. And he says for for those
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  reasons, it's got the gist and turns.
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  It's got the arc, you know, it's got the shock moments.
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  I mean, it's interesting because you know, sort of prior to doing
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  the season 3 or the 1st chunk of season 3 on I'm There Strictly,
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  I went on Facebook and the missing episodes group on there
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  and kind of put some feelings out as to, you know, why people
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  thought Master Plan was so brilliant when I was struggling
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  with it. And a lot of the feedback I got
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  from that was around the idea of it just being a continuous story
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  that it was just, you know, every week you didn't know what
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  was going to be coming next. And possibly, you know, the with
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  the Radio Times and whatnot in 86.
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  It's, it's not going to be as easy as that.
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  But you know, the idea of it's just been this one story and you
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  know, this Daleks and it's a different planet this week and
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  it's a different planet next week.
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  I. Think because there's a lot of
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  it just like this. And that idea of, you know, it
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  just being not knowing what is going to be just this one
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  continuous story was was really fascinating.
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  It really kind of engrossed people that watched it go out
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  live. So it's I think, you know,
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  splitting it up into chunks is probably the better way because
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  we're going to avoid the issue that I do have with don't master
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  plan of just being 2. Does feel coherent now as a
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  whole? It does.
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  I think that the obviously the the the bridge and material for
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  the courtrooms is. Exactly what's happening there,
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  Trump top charges, all the Balliard's charges.
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  I always thought Balliard meant learner court prosecutor.
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  Well, not in your case, Sir. Your points of law are spurious,
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  your case weak version of the irrelevance.
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  And your reason is quite unsound.
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  Quite unsound. All of this dialogue has
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  penetrated my memory. But to go back to to the point
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  you were talking about before we got this fantastic scene, I
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  think what coloured this in 1986 and coloured Dr. and as coloured
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  Doctor Who ever since is cancellation anxiety that we've
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  come out of the cancellation and everyone is just worried about
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  how this is going to come across to the people who aren't fans.
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  And it's that constant worry the whole time.
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  The the thing that I remember in all the reviews was is this
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  going to lead to viewer fatigue? Are the viewers going to be
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  fatigued by 14 episodes of this? Is this what and that worry
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  penetrates all the audience went out at the time.
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  I know they're low for Mysterious Planet, but come
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  Ultimate Foe they're edging towards 6,000,000.
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  So I go. I suppose the answer to that is
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  no. I think the other thing that
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  affected it then and now is fan visibility, which, oh.
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  Absolutely, and the fans had done themselves a disservice.
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  Yes. Through the cancellation and
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  through particularly the reaction, the very public
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  reaction to this and season 24. And it becomes and it moves from
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  being a show for everyone on a Saturday night to a show for
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  geeks. I think that's a show, not an
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  everyday show. And I think that this this.
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  Feels This feels like a a show for geeks and I don't think that
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  as an objection. No, but I think season 24 is a
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  Saturday night entertainment show with the biggest stars
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  designed for a Saturday night that is shunted off to a
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  graveyard shot on a slot on a Monday night.
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  And I think Come Come 26, I think they're really going for
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  the general audience again. Yes, and they're not getting it
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  because no one knows that it's on.
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  I mean, I think this feels very much like the Saturday night
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  show as well. Like we've said, you know it's
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  got those stars in it as big. Stars, yeah.
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  Stars. Big stars.
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  Lights are bright. It's got explosions, it's got,
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  you know, gunfights. It's got big ass robots, funny
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  lines. Yeah.
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  It's, you know, it's it's very sort of, you know, season opener
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  style. You know, it's this budget on
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  screen. I think this is going for it.
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  And I think this is, I wouldn't say it was necessarily for
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  geeks. I think there's nothing.
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  I mean, in terms of it's asking you, it is asking the audience
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  to stick with this season. You can't really dip in and out.
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  And I think that that is for a fan base, that is for a
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  dedicated audience. And I think we're we're missing
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  what what Barry Letts always says is the first night.
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  We've got one first night to publicize the season.
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  We haven't got the start of another story because we're
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  billing it as the trial of a Time Lord Part Part 5 or the
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  trial of a Time Lord Part 9. But it.
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  Definitely has first nights in. Mind.
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  Oh yeah, it does. But but it's not.
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  But for the viewer you're saying, well it's a first night,
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  but this is part 9 of something, so do I have to have?
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  Maybe they should have given them different names.
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  Whether they yeah, and probably they should have done so they
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  just from a publicity point of view, but.
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  Mysterious Planet's got two first nights because it's
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  setting up the trial and the Mysterious.
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  Planet yeah, right Nate Jewell says the the ratings go up so
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  we'll have a we'll have a first night and it dips it dipped by
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  the end by this point we're probably as low as you're ever
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  going to get in the classic series in terms of ratings but.
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  It's Battlefield. It's Battlefield.
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  Yeah, it's not far off though. It's it's 3.7 as you know what
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  feels like 3.43. .1 I think battlefield.
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  Yeah, so it's, it's, it's kind of down there as low as you're
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  ever going to get. But it starts picking up, you
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  know, you get into Mindwarp and it starts attracting.
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  So for all. But there might not be another
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  big first night. You know, by the time sort of
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  word of mouth starts getting round rabies or, you know,
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  people are kind of drifting back to it, then yeah, we're staying.
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  Interestingly, I think as cynical as some fans are, hello
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  Stephen B about Perry's fate in Mind Warp.
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  Yeah, it's in Terra, the Vervo as we start kicking 5 million
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  viewers. So I think that did make the
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  impact that JNT wanted. And it was the school holidays.
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  Oh, OK, maybe there was that. As well.
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  And maybe we all didn't have to do our homework.
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  We skipped over a lot of scenes because we've been talking and I
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  want to say there's another great example of empathy, Colin
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  earlier when he said to Grail, don't blame yourself.
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  And that's a very season 23 Colin.
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  I really like that and the make up when they're burn.
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  It's really quite. I was.
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  Really nasty, yeah. It's a nice sort of stab of
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  horror in a story that isn't really doing that.
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  That there's a lovely photo of John Joan Sims on the phone with
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  that makeup on. That is brilliant, Absolutely
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  brilliant. Oh.
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  Man, Basseer Wood. This scene, I love this.
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  Talking about the meaning of life, this is a scene that could
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  belong in Star Trek. Absolutely.
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  I learnt about hubris from this and was able to.
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  Yeah. False pride.
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  Yeah. Luck.
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  Howie. I took that to school, use that
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  in my English lessons. But it it so clearly defines the
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  doctor, this scene, you know, if you understood 110th of what
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  life meant, you would want to save those people out there.
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  And that's his mission statement.
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  Yeah. And particularly this, this
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  doctor at this point, yeah. There's possibly a little bit
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  troubling as well, though, because it's kind of like the
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  doctor value in organic life over machine life.
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  What life is life, is it not? Well, yes, but.
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  It is defined. It's, yeah, it's the definition
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  of life, isn't it? It's, you know, it's, it's
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  robots of death again, isn't it? It's, you know, D If it was D8
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  you wouldn't be kind of saying AD 8 D 8 before.
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  Whatever. But I like, yeah, but I like
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  Drastro coming back and saying, well, robots are superior then.
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  So obviously we we deserve to live.
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  We're doing Star Trek technically, because it's not to
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  say no. The needs of the many, actually
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  the one should sacrifice themselves.
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  But that's the measure of a man, aren't we as well?
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  That's not the way he goes about it.
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  The week goes about it just by purely saying, well, you don't
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  come because you're not organic. If he was, you know, doing the
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  whole Spock speech, I think that would be the next level up.
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  I've never really considered that in this scene, though.
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  I just. I just see the doctor fighting
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  for human life. Yeah.
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  And I will never say that's a bad thing.
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  It's it's it's probably like a new series sensibility that, you
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  know, the doctor was more and aware of these things and more,
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  you know, it kind of goes again, what we're seeing about like the
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  Vervoids. You know, when you know, you you
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  just assume, yeah, the Vervoids are bad, so they must be wiped
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  out. And you know, and you know that
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  to give you that little twist and make you think where there's
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  no one. Once you've had that bit to
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  think, you can go back and look at this and go, yeah, if we're
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  going to do that with the Vervoids, we'll kind of coming
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  up by the same the draft room. There's low inside.
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  The purpose of life is too big to be knowable. 1,000,000
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  computers couldn't solve that one.
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  It is, it's poetry. I love it and he says it
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  brilliantly. You're right side.
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  You could see him on the stage making.
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  This. Absolutely.
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  Yeah, It's it's yeah. It's like he's playing a
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  Shakespeare argument. You've controlled your point as
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  Little Empire for too long. You can't see anything beyond
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  it. I mean, he's, he's sort of doing
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  the Captain Kirk thing, isn't he trying?
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  To convince the robots. To sacrifice himself.
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  That's the last Star Trek reference I mentioned.
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  Shout out for Diba telling there, for Glitter for telling
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  Dibber that Favour Homes Rabbit should see the doors.
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  Yeah, yeah. But the most important of all is
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  no fun right it? Is funny.
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  Oh, there's a very funny bit at the minute in the in this shoe,
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  isn't it? Where his face gets covered in
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  Mashed potato? They're all just standing there
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  with these terrible beams. They're going everywhere.
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  How? He's talking about the
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  tradesman's entrance. I think you should ask Soy about
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  that. I think you should ask Deborah
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  about that. I would love to.
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  Come on Colin, you can do it. That was good in this, though, I
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  think not just in terms of, you know, the relationship between
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  with Nicola and Colin, and I would have played that.
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  But I think this is a very good story for Perry when you stop
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  and look at it, because you know she's very engaged.
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  You know, there's no pervert trying to lock her up and marry
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  her or anything. That's quite refreshing.
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  It's very refreshing, someone trying to marry her off, but
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  it's the woman. Yeah, it's, but it's, it's, it's
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  a throwaway lane. It's not the the purpose of the
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  plot. Hashtag Time Lash.
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  No. And if this was season 22, Draft
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  Row would find her pleasing. And yeah, wanted to breed a
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  super race of Perry's from her or whatever.
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  Yeah. You know, apart from having that
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  brilliant reaction to finding out it's Earth in Episode 1, you
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  can have her tagging along with Glitch.
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  She's kind of got her whole subplot in Episode 2, like away
• 22:17
  from the Doctor. And I don't think she tags as
• 22:20
  much as as usual. She's, she's actually got a bit
• 22:22
  of urgency, especially here where she's like trying to storm
• 22:25
  the castle and. You say that door, it's that
• 22:27
  bloody wall, Adric's wall again, isn't it?
• 22:30
  It's always that ball. Do you know that bit is so
• 22:34
  theatrical where Colin went? That's Perry.
• 22:42
  Oh oh, they have great fun watching him getting covered in
• 22:44
  that mash. On the commentary, Adam Black
• 22:46
  was having a wonderful time with Colin and Nicola and Tony Selby.
• 22:52
  Apparently they had lots of pudding in competitions.
• 22:55
  On vacations, yes, that's right. Yeah.
• 22:57
  Johnny Simmons was very good, but Johnny Colin won.
• 23:00
  Yeah, of course he did. Look at him, I figure of a man.
• 23:04
  I could beat him. Was that a challenge, Fraser?
• 23:08
  Oh, yes, OK. I've seen Fraser repudding.
• 23:18
  Because he won't sacrifice himself.
• 23:20
  Well, that seems imminently sensible.
• 23:24
  If I'm doomed, then you're all he's.
• 23:28
  Like a prop up on villain. Now, now come on mate, go and
• 23:33
  get your handbag and I'll take you off to the ship.
• 23:36
  Let's go. Oh yeah, the black light.
• 23:41
  Like a fucking panto now, Yeah. On the ship, Dipper, Yeah.
• 23:46
  And it's it's, it's like. But it works.
• 23:50
  It's a line of the dialogue, isn't it, that, you know,
• 23:52
  couldn't succeeds where the doctor's attempt at reason.
• 23:54
  Yeah, this fails because you're not going to be able to reason
• 23:57
  with with Drathro because he's logic.
• 23:59
  And you can't defeat, you know, logic when you know you're
• 24:04
  convinced that you're right. But you can fool.
• 24:07
  You can fool it. The look between the doctor and
• 24:10
  Perry when they clawed on to what?
• 24:12
  Yeah. What is it?
• 24:17
  It's strange how? What does he say?
• 24:20
  It's strange how when it's low coming succeeds.
• 24:24
  It's like you when you did that strictly and you were never
• 24:26
  going to convince them, so you just made-up some lines.
• 24:31
  No, I do that at least once an episode.
• 24:33
  Sometimes I get caught out, other times I don't.
• 24:37
  There's so many Jodie episodes where I've said, Oh yeah, that
• 24:39
  was explained in that scene. Weren't you paying attention?
• 24:44
  Low cunning succeeds where intelligent reasoning fails.
• 24:50
  I do think as well in terms of like the season starting off
• 24:53
  with this great mystery but light story and then going into
• 24:58
  something as oppressive and dark as Mind Warp, and then having
• 25:03
  something as sort of fun and pacey as Terror of the Vervoids
• 25:07
  and then doing the sort of weird sapphire and steel stuff in
• 25:10
  Ultimate Foe. It is showing lots of shades of
• 25:12
  Doctor Who. Yeah.
• 25:17
  And I think they kind of had to make this a bit lighter, didn't
• 25:19
  they? Because that was one of the.
• 25:21
  Well, that was, yeah, that was the brief, wasn't it?
• 25:23
  That was the only thing they'd got to cling on to.
• 25:27
  Yeah, less violent, more funny. And then didn't they get wrong
• 25:30
  for making it too funny? It's so lame then pressing all
• 25:33
  these buttons, but when I was 13 this was so exciting.
• 25:37
  Well, no. Colin trying to press those
• 25:40
  those plunges bits down was was really good and.
• 25:43
  I like the fact you've got all the lights going and then the
• 25:46
  sound sort of raising up, isn't it?
• 25:48
  So it does feel sort of apocalyptic.
• 25:51
  Oh, and this line here, I'm going to say it again.
• 25:54
  It's the ultimate Doctor line. I did my best.
• 25:57
  I only hope it's enough. It's enough.
• 26:00
  If there was a line that sums up the Doctor, that's surely it.
• 26:05
  Oh, poor mud. Poor Balasar.
• 26:09
  Oh, I love this. Oh, when he.
• 26:12
  Goes red. Yeah, yeah.
• 26:14
  And then? Really good.
• 26:15
  There's all this steam coming off him like his molten metal.
• 26:20
  There is some money on the screen.
• 26:22
  No. Definitely.
• 26:24
  Yeah, look at that. Oh, don't touch him.
• 26:28
  Do you know fellas, I think we might have a tasty little Kitty
• 26:30
  for the next venture. Well, coming down your way next,
• 26:36
  aren't we? Well for location wise.
• 26:40
  Oh yeah, we're just going to the naked beach and home.
• 26:47
  Oh, next to Jancy's house, you say?
• 26:50
  What a surprise. You're Silicate.
• 26:55
  They they have set up divots for return here, haven't they?
• 26:58
  They have, yeah, and then they don't take it up.
• 27:01
  Although he's in one of the books, isn't he?
• 27:03
  Yes, mission impractical. That's right, yeah.
• 27:06
  I think that's David A Mcinty explaining why he's not in
• 27:11
  Ultimate Foe. Oh, this is nice when the two
• 27:13
  boys say fresh air. Those clothes are not going to
• 27:17
  be practical for going outside. Come on twinks, get your S&M
• 27:23
  masks on. Oh, and.
• 27:26
  Still not. Perhaps one day we'll find the
• 27:33
  habitat of the Canadian goose. I love it.
• 27:41
  Oh, does he do a Davidson joke at the end of this scene as
• 27:44
  well? When he's like, oh, it's no,
• 27:45
  it's that way. Oh yeah.
• 27:46
  Yeah, it's. That way, no, he's putting his
• 27:50
  arm around her. Page 1, Chapter 1, paragraph
• 27:57
  one, as they say. Take your people up to the
• 28:00
  surface where they but nice uplifting ending.
• 28:03
  You didn't get many of those in Season 22.
• 28:06
  Travel with hope, isn't it? Yeah.
• 28:10
  It is on him. Farewell, my loquacious friend.
• 28:17
  Now look here fellas, there's one or two mysteries that we
• 28:19
  haven't solved in this. Story Oh yeah ping.
• 28:22
  Just pay attention audience. You haven't answered these for a
• 28:26
  reason. Very.
• 28:28
  So what was that box that Gibson Dibble, we're so interested in
• 28:30
  him. No, he's not going.
• 28:36
  To answer. I asked you a question.
• 28:40
  Well, who knows because literally, literally at this
• 28:43
  point, nobody knows at this point, you know mid.
• 28:48
  So what was to say it was early April, mid-april going into to
• 28:53
  May and the end hasn't been written.
• 28:56
  Now, of all the smart Collins, this is the smuggest.
• 29:00
  Yes, it's not many people that can claim to have saved the
• 29:03
  entire universe. Sorry, I'm not stalled out.
• 29:12
  What do you mean the end? It's not written.
• 29:13
  It was. It went out and it's 95. 6. 6.
• 29:20
  No, because they hadn't written it while they were making this.
• 29:22
  Oh. I see what you're saying.
• 29:24
  Yeah, because obviously Bob Holmes was writing it and he, I
• 29:28
  think he's a couple of weeks after this finishes filming.
• 29:32
  So they are, you know, recording this now without the end, you
• 29:39
  know, the. 60s Doctor Who isn't it, you know.
• 29:42
  It's not not quite as close to the bone as that, but it is
• 29:46
  very, very close to it was making it up as you go along,
• 29:52
  which is, which is again, it's one of the problems with the
• 29:58
  with the story, isn't it? That, you know, they have,
• 30:01
  because they've made this switch halfway through the production
• 30:05
  time of yeah, we'll scrap those stories and we'll bring new ones
• 30:07
  in. And you know, that one's not
• 30:09
  good enough. And no, we don't want that one.
• 30:10
  And no, we don't. That one will not have that one
• 30:12
  either. It's, you know, it gets to the
• 30:15
  point where you make in the first part and you don't know
• 30:18
  what's happening at the end. And that shows really, doesn't
• 30:20
  it? But considering the nightmare of
• 30:23
  Ultimate Foe, you know, being written by two writing teams, it
• 30:27
  culminates well because what you're all the mysteries here,
• 30:30
  which are paid off in the first part of Ultimate Foe, You've got
• 30:34
  Perry's death, which is dealt with in the second part of
• 30:37
  Ultimate Foe. You've got the genocide stuff
• 30:39
  which they talk about in Ultimate.
• 30:41
  So it does kind of all come together.
• 30:44
  Yeah, it does. And it's it's it's kind of
• 30:47
  credit to the big As and Jane that they managed to, you know,
• 30:53
  pull some together that does pay everything off out of what pop
• 31:00
  homes and Eric say would have kind of left them behind and
• 31:03
  what they're allowed to out of what they've left them behind.
• 31:06
  Hashtag me spitting, but we'll come to that.
• 31:09
  Sometimes doing these hamster commentaries with you 2, I feel
• 31:11
  as if I have got the Inquisitor and the Valley art here with me.
• 31:15
  When they said to Colin at the end there, I keep calling him
• 31:17
  Colin. So the Doctor, like I know him,
• 31:21
  was it for the time being. I think you've said enough, Said
• 31:24
  enough. I have a great deal more to say.
• 31:29
  Oh, how wonderful. I really enjoyed that.
• 31:33
  Just to keep on track guys, that is 3 to one.
• 31:37
  Yeah, yes. Quick zoom, zoom.
• 31:40
  And that is the classic zoom intercolumn.
• 31:43
  That's the one that you get that that.
• 31:45
  Gift. That's yeah, that's the gift,
• 31:46
  isn't? It do you mind if your face
• 31:51
  fills the frame? No, go ahead.
• 31:53
  It's a magnificent face, my boys.
• 31:56
  Well, I mean, I thought that was fabulous, but.
• 32:00
  I've thoroughly enjoyed. That we do need to find three
• 32:02
  reasons a piece. Let's start with sigh and then
• 32:08
  we'll go to Fraser and then I'll take up the rear stop.
• 32:12
  It. Which is very unusual for me if
• 32:18
  I want to. OK.
• 32:23
  Fine Fraser, you go first, sigh. You go 2nd and I'll be up your
• 32:27
  rear. No one's bringing it up there
• 32:31
  yet. OK, Oh, shame.
• 32:34
  Sorry. Dominic Glynn, I'm going to say
• 32:39
  I'm going to go straight here. If nothing else, Dominic Glynn
• 32:44
  gives this season a different feel.
• 32:47
  So it's very it's it's moving on from the Radiophonic workshop
• 32:55
  scores, although we've still got a final radiophonic workshop
• 32:58
  score to come. So, but I think his incidental
• 33:03
  music give this cohesion and drama and it drives the action
• 33:09
  along really well. He's still learning his trade.
• 33:12
  We're going to hit his peak later on in the McCoy years
• 33:16
  where he comes in just for three episodes a year but aces those 3
• 33:21
  episodes brilliantly. But it all starts here, and he's
• 33:25
  written into JNT on the chance that he might get a chance to do
• 33:30
  this. And JNT takes him up on it and
• 33:33
  then says, oh, and you could do the theme as well.
• 33:35
  Why not? You know, I think he does a good
• 33:38
  job and I think he adds a lot to the atmosphere of this story.
• 33:43
  I heard in an interview him say he was doing the incidental
• 33:47
  music in his bedroom. Yeah, on a hired keyboard.
• 33:51
  That's wonderful, isn't it? And is it immortalized now?
• 33:55
  Yeah. So, yeah, I I think he's he's
• 33:58
  really good and he's, he's learning as he goes, but he's
• 34:01
  doing a good job anyway. And I think by the time we get
• 34:05
  to the ultimate foe, he's developed hugely just by
• 34:11
  learning his trade on this. By the time you get to survival,
• 34:15
  he's delivered. Some amazing.
• 34:16
  Music we've ever heard at Happiness Patrol.
• 34:19
  His free scores for the McCoy years are are magnificent.
• 34:22
  Dragon fire, isn't it? The other one, yeah.
• 34:24
  Yeah. And you know, and just to also
• 34:27
  just mention, this is the first Doctor Who score that is
• 34:31
  released in its entirety on cassette from the from the
• 34:37
  Doctor Who Appreciation Society. I bought that cassette and I
• 34:41
  played it and I played it and played it.
• 34:42
  It was wonderful. I do wish, I do wish they had
• 34:46
  done the same with the mind War One.
• 34:48
  I think that's one of the best scores ever.
• 34:51
  Yes. Well, yeah, unfortunately the
• 34:52
  tapes are lost, which is a a real shame, but there we go.
• 34:56
  So that's my first choice. And well, because I wanted to
• 35:04
  pick Dominic Glenn and because I feel we haven't talked about it
• 35:09
  enough, I'm going to pick the theme music.
• 35:14
  OK. By Dominic Glenn Because it is a
• 35:18
  It's really good. Obviously, yes, I know you're
• 35:21
  attached to Peter Howell, you know, just as much as I am
• 35:25
  attached to Kef's version. But you know, this one is, it's
• 35:30
  just a really sound reimagining of, of what Peter Howe has done.
• 35:36
  It's kind of like, you know, taking it and taking the best
• 35:39
  bits out and then just giving it a squirrel, but nothing some
• 35:42
  extra bits. And, you know, it's got a real
• 35:44
  rhythm to it. You know, that really kind of
• 35:49
  comes through, but there's lots of sort of mysterious.
• 35:54
  Sound effects on it are great. Yeah, the middle 8 just pops as
• 35:58
  well. So, you know, I really like this
• 36:00
  version of the theme. And you know, it's, it's a bit
• 36:04
  of a shame that we only got 14 episodes out of it, but you
• 36:07
  know, we've got it, we've got it now it's on Spotify and go and
• 36:10
  listen to it for 6 minutes. And you know what?
• 36:12
  I quite like that because that gives this season its own
• 36:16
  identity because it's the only one that has this theme.
• 36:21
  So, you know, that's that kind of makes it special.
• 36:25
  Yeah. That music always makes me think
• 36:28
  of Evelyn Smythe because they used the this, you know, when
• 36:33
  they stopped using the Tom Baker theme, and they would always use
• 36:36
  this theme for those fantastic, even Smythe stories.
• 36:39
  And so every time I hear it now, I just think of Maggie Staples
• 36:42
  straight away. Yeah.
• 36:43
  And that makes you feel happy, of course.
• 36:46
  Fabulous. Well, you know who I'm going to
• 36:49
  choose, and that is Colin Baker. 1993 gave me two parental
• 36:57
  figures to replace my frankly disappointing father.
• 37:02
  I watched this and fell in love with Colin Baker's Doctor, for
• 37:06
  reasons I've detailed elsewhere, but mostly because he was a man
• 37:11
  who could express himself in a way that my father couldn't, in
• 37:15
  a man that always tried his best in a way my father didn't.
• 37:20
  I just loved it. He was funny, he was charming,
• 37:23
  he was witty, he was intelligent, he was for the
• 37:27
  people. I just fell head over heels and
• 37:30
  he was my favorite from that day to now.
• 37:33
  I still love Colin the best. A side note, the other person
• 37:37
  was Benjamin Cisco over on Dick Space 9, who is just an amazing
• 37:42
  dad. He's not.
• 37:43
  I know he's not a real person, but he may as well be.
• 37:46
  Yeah. So I know I've detailed via
• 37:49
  many, many quotes in this and I'm sure in episodes to come, I
• 37:55
  think he was a stunning choice to play the Doctor.
• 37:57
  I think they did make some bomb creative choices, which means he
• 38:03
  wasn't given the run that he deserved.
• 38:05
  I think he's more than proven he was up to the task and through
• 38:11
  his TV performances and especially his audio
• 38:14
  performances, he's proven he's pretty much the best Doctor of
• 38:17
  all. So Colin Baker is my choice.
• 38:20
  Good choice. Yeah, that's a good choice.
• 38:23
  I like that. Thank you.
• 38:27
  It's very tempting to say Michael Jason here, but I don't
• 38:30
  think we've seen the best of him yet.
• 38:32
  And I might, I think that might be a choice for later on.
• 38:36
  So OK, I'm good to go with the next obvious thing, the opening
• 38:42
  model shot, which I know is possibly a bit of grand folly by
• 38:48
  spending that much money on sort of a sequence that is less than
• 38:53
  a minute long, but what a sequence.
• 38:57
  And I'm so glad they did because that really is it still looks
• 39:02
  fantastic. I've seen the model and the
• 39:06
  model itself is really disappointing.
• 39:09
  It's so much better filmed than it is in real life.
• 39:14
  It's a beautiful model. It is beautifully done.
• 39:18
  It's got the TARDIS spinning in right at the end with the
• 39:22
  wonderful white beam. It's so memorable.
• 39:26
  And you know what? Who cares if they blew so much
• 39:30
  of the budget on that? I think maybe they did need that
• 39:35
  one thing. But the problem is you're always
• 39:38
  going to have that. Well, how do you follow that?
• 39:40
  And then we go into Doctor Who straight away, you know, But
• 39:46
  just that model shot with that music is such a brilliant
• 39:51
  opening. As a mission statement at the
• 39:54
  start of the season, I mean, it beats deck chairs.
• 39:58
  Sorry. Sorry.
• 39:59
  Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.
• 40:00
  It does. It's it's it is absolutely
• 40:03
  wonderful. I have been to see the original
• 40:10
  Star Wars movies at the cinema over the last couple of weeks
• 40:13
  and I have been very impressed with the production value of
• 40:16
  them. I'm not sure it's a single
• 40:21
  modern shot in those movies. I would say as good as that
• 40:25
  opening trial scene. I don't think there is.
• 40:28
  That's because you're watching the CGI versions from 1996 and
• 40:33
  not the original versions because they never show the
• 40:36
  versions with the model shots anymore.
• 40:39
  Why are the model shots better? Yes.
• 40:43
  Oh, OK. But they're not necessarily
• 40:46
  matted in so well. I mean, the joy of Star Wars is
• 40:49
  throughout those movies you've got about 25 minutes of very
• 40:53
  good model work, and it's not to who you get 35 seconds of
• 40:57
  extremely good model work. But you know, I just wanted to
• 41:01
  say that anyway. Sorry, Fraser, back to you.
• 41:02
  You. Know the models are brilliant in
• 41:05
  this and it's kind of you know when 86 now and 88 Red Dwarf
• 41:10
  starts and like Red Dwarf is kind of yeah of BBC special
• 41:16
  effects and their model work and you know you can see like the
• 41:20
  groundwork being need here and dragon face got really good
• 41:23
  modern shots as well doesn't it? And you know, from here on, you
• 41:27
  do really see. The model work is is really well
• 41:31
  apart from verboards maybe. Unless you're going to watch the
• 41:35
  special edition. That right.
• 41:39
  So for my second choice, I know we haven't talked about too
• 41:42
  much, but I think Michael, Jason is really good in this.
• 41:49
  Finished. I barely started.
• 41:52
  No, it's, it's, it's, it's the whole kind of setup, the whole
• 41:55
  courtroom setup readings. It really it works for me.
• 41:59
  There's one or two points in the story where the interruptions
• 42:04
  are a little bit jarring and kind of taking you out of the
• 42:07
  story. And it's, it's very self
• 42:09
  referential. You know, it's like, you know,
• 42:11
  and there's one we're talking about.
• 42:13
  I have the big set to and I mean, because it was like, can
• 42:16
  we stop this banter and get back to the story now?
• 42:20
  And so I think the the the courtroom scenes are a lot more
• 42:27
  knowing than I realized the first time I watched it or
• 42:30
  whatever. When you need to pick that up.
• 42:32
  We watching for this. I think, like I said, there's
• 42:35
  that sort of Ying and Yang of of Colin big and Michael Jason as
• 42:41
  the the very loud, flamboyant, colourful Dr. and this sort of
• 42:46
  very still menacing Valliard as brooding figure, you know,
• 42:53
  laying off each other beautifully.
• 42:55
  And obviously in the middle you've got Linda Bellingham just
• 42:58
  being Judge Judy without the kick offs and trying to keep
• 43:04
  control of all of them. And the, the dialogue just is,
• 43:08
  is fantastic in these scenes. It's really gives Colin the
• 43:11
  opportunity to be bombastic and be the the passionate.
• 43:19
  You know, his his doctor is all about just sort of it's easy.
• 43:22
  He wears that righteousness like a multi colored coat.
• 43:28
  It's all on his sleeve. He's got this moral core, which
• 43:33
  is red hot. You can actually see it glowing
• 43:35
  off him in the courtroom. Gives him this opportunity to do
• 43:38
  that. It gives him the opportunity to
• 43:40
  be a Serbic and sarcastic, but it also has some really quiet
• 43:46
  moments. You know, it gives them a chance
• 43:48
  to be a little bit more reflective and we'll see a lot
• 43:50
  more of it obviously in in Mind Warp as well.
• 43:53
  And but yeah, what them scenes really sing for me.
• 43:58
  And I think we're going to see a very different use of the
• 44:02
  courtroom in the next 4 episodes, and that will be
• 44:05
  fascinating to watch. The funniest bit is where Colin
• 44:09
  just goes. I'm Lord president of Gallifrey,
• 44:12
  you can't put me on trial. And then he goes to walk out the
• 44:15
  door. The foot, the footage was really
• 44:18
  the start. Where he walks in the valley was
• 44:21
  I was beginning to think you'd got lost.
• 44:23
  It's like it's took him 30 seconds to walk from.
• 44:25
  He's taught us there and gone and goes.
• 44:26
  It's hard to get lost in a corridor mate.
• 44:30
  Just like the random insults, smugness does not become you.
• 44:33
  That is an irrelevant observation.
• 44:37
  And in fact, that leads to my second point, which is the
• 44:40
  dialogue. I think this is, I genuinely
• 44:43
  think this is one of the wittiest Doctor Who scripts, and
• 44:45
  I think it's one of the most quotable Doctor Who scripts as
• 44:48
  well. I remember when I wrote my
• 44:50
  review for Doctor Who reviews, my dialogue triumph section was
• 44:55
  enormous, half the script basically.
• 44:57
  And I started putting the the lines of dialogue within the
• 45:00
  other sections of the review just because there were so many
• 45:03
  great lines. I think the only other one where
• 45:05
  I had to do that was Time Warrior, another Robert Holmes.
• 45:09
  Yeah, really witty, really funny.
• 45:12
  Tony Selby says it best on the commentary when he goes.
• 45:15
  I love all the flowery language, all this sort of Dickensian wit.
• 45:20
  He goes, I love it and you can see it.
• 45:22
  He's and they're all getting it. Everyone's got great lines in
• 45:25
  this and I think if Doctor Who is funny, if it's witty, it can
• 45:31
  cover over any sort of problems that are elsewhere.
• 45:34
  And in Part 3 we did say that it's this sort of run on the
• 45:36
  spot a bit, but it was very, very funny all the same.
• 45:40
  So yeah, there Robert Holmes is not on his last legs.
• 45:44
  I mean, he is in terms of his health, but not in terms of his
• 45:47
  creativity and his humour. Absolutely.
• 45:52
  Bet I'm going to go for the location work because I think
• 45:59
  it's a very nicely chosen location.
• 46:02
  They found an actual Iron Age village to film in which looks
• 46:06
  brilliant. The village itself is is nicely
• 46:09
  shot and then you've got the shots actually in the Hut itself
• 46:14
  on location, which which really adds so they can have proper
• 46:17
  fire, they can have the things that they can't do in the studio
• 46:20
  because of that. And then they can recreate
• 46:22
  another one, not quite so successfully in the studio, but
• 46:26
  I think Nicholas Mallett shoots the location work really well.
• 46:30
  As we said, the chase at the end of Part 2 is really well done.
• 46:33
  There's lots of different angles, lots of wide shots.
• 46:36
  I love the shot where they're all walking sort of after the
• 46:41
  chase and the doctors explaining things to Perry, but it's all
• 46:45
  done in long shot. And that's really different to
• 46:48
  what we'd usually get, which is usually right in front of them
• 46:53
  walk some camera sort of backing away as they're walking towards
• 46:57
  it. And so it gives it a really
• 46:59
  different feeling. And I think that's a bit of a
• 47:01
  bit of dynamism in those scenes and it comes across really well.
• 47:06
  And like Joe said, you can't be Doctor Who running around in the
• 47:09
  woods. No.
• 47:11
  And I was about to say a wintry wood, but I suppose it's a
• 47:13
  spring wood. Yeah.
• 47:15
  Oh, it's fabulous. It just reminds me of my
• 47:17
  childhood so much. My next thing then is going to
• 47:25
  be Glitz and Dipper and obviously we've talked about the
• 47:29
  dialogue there. Julian, it's your 100% right.
• 47:31
  This is spotless from, you know, start to finish, Rod, But, you
• 47:39
  know, Glitz and Deba are such a great pair.
• 47:43
  And I think Tony Selby described this as Glitz as author daily in
• 47:48
  space. Yeah, I've got that sort of mind
• 47:51
  dynamic of the, you know, the charm, the the, you know, the
• 47:59
  flowy language in the the seals part and all the rest of it in
• 48:03
  this sort of more stoic muscle for hire.
• 48:07
  If they buy, it's a pair and that really works.
• 48:08
  And, you know, watching them, you know, spar off against each
• 48:14
  other, you know, they've been more of the straight man, but
• 48:19
  still haven't. He's you know, Deb has still got
• 48:21
  loads to add. You know, like I said, there's
• 48:23
  my favorite line comes from Deborah.
• 48:25
  I love that bit, the X at the end of Part 2 where he's like,
• 48:28
  no, squeeze the trigger, don't pull it.
• 48:30
  He's giving advice to someone trying to shoot them.
• 48:32
  And it's a little background detail in a big scene, isn't it?
• 48:37
  Yeah, and it's just the interplay between those two are,
• 48:41
  is, is fantastic. I really don't know why we don't
• 48:44
  talk about these two And you know, you know, in the same sort
• 48:50
  of way that we talk about like Jago and Lightfoot and you know,
• 48:54
  the really up there for me. I don't you know, you can see, I
• 48:59
  don't know why they never did. And but the glitz in there by
• 49:02
  Big Finish box set is going to be something else.
• 49:06
  They've done everything else. Yeah, and that's that's got a
• 49:09
  hell of a lot more legs than Jago and Lightfoot for 14 boxes.
• 49:11
  We've had a glitz story now. Now Tony Selby is no longer with
• 49:15
  us, you know. That's just a book.
• 49:17
  Yeah, unfortunately we're not going to get it no matter how
• 49:20
  many times I see it. But, you know, let you imagine
• 49:23
  Mason run wild with that glitz and dibber and series and and
• 49:29
  really just revel in the awesomeness of mints and dibber.
• 49:35
  So he says in episode 1, a deep rooted maladjustant.
• 49:39
  My psychiatrist said I'm unable to cope with the constant
• 49:43
  instabilities of life. Mind you, I had just decided I
• 49:46
  had just attempted to kill him. It's a great.
• 49:51
  Well, my last thing then is I think I would like to just point
• 49:55
  out again the two very reflective moments that Colin
• 49:59
  has in Episode 1 and Episode 4, because I think they're real
• 50:03
  highlights of his era. He gets a number of very strong
• 50:07
  scenes in this season, but that's him at his absolute
• 50:12
  gentlest and most empathetic and most reflective.
• 50:17
  And the dialogue is just golden in those scenes.
• 50:21
  Yeah. So.
• 50:22
  So Colin talking about planets come and go and then him talking
• 50:26
  about basically the meaning of life at the end of the story.
• 50:30
  Yeah. Magnificent.
• 50:33
  I am going to have to add one more thing all.
• 50:37
  The time, always. I'm not going to make you go.
• 50:39
  We will allow one more thing, yeah.
• 50:41
  One more thing, because it does need to be said now, is the the
• 50:45
  new dynamic between the doctor and Perry.
• 50:49
  You know that that is just so, you know, after so long of, you
• 50:55
  know, bickering and, you know, running around and just
• 50:58
  generally not being the nicest to each other and to have them
• 51:02
  come in and be so charming with each other and just so cute and
• 51:10
  cuddly together. And you know the the absolute
• 51:13
  change in their relationship is a breath of fresh air does.
• 51:17
  Show how it could have been, doesn't.
• 51:18
  It Yeah, it does. Yeah, absolutely.
• 51:20
  I will say go, go watch on its own by itself, episode 4 of Twin
• 51:26
  Dilemma, you know, don't watch the other three, just watch
• 51:30
  episode 4. Have a look at Colin Baker, the
• 51:33
  way he's playing the Doctor in episode 4 and think, why did we
• 51:37
  not have that Doctor throughout 22?
• 51:40
  Because it goes ramps it right back up again and attacked the
• 51:42
  Cybermen. You ought to have you know that
• 51:45
  more gentle and more this beautiful relationship would
• 51:52
  have been would have been. So I love it here.
• 51:55
  Women are finished. Well, we may finish.
• 51:59
  I mean, I don't really need to say where are we going next?
• 52:02
  Well. I've got some finished.
• 52:05
  Good. We've probably started.
• 52:08
  I've got some good news and I've got some bad news for you
• 52:10
  sailing. Go on.
• 52:12
  So the good news is we're going to the seaside.
• 52:15
  Yeah, in Brighton, the. Bad news is you might be changed
• 52:20
  to the rocks. The bad news is, and I'll, I'll,
• 52:23
  I'll explain this more in detail, but we'll probably even
• 52:27
  shouldn't be telling you now, but we are going to run into an
• 52:29
  old enemy of yours. I'm going to take the
• 52:36
  opportunity in Mine War, while not just to explain why I think
• 52:39
  it's one of the very best kind of egg stories, but also to
• 52:45
  explain why I think Brian Bessick is one of the best ever
• 52:48
  performances he does. Who?
• 52:50
  Is the answer because he's Brian Blessed?
• 52:53
  Yes, yes, he's the only person that could shout louder than
• 52:59
  Colin Baker. He is Dorf and you are scum.
• 53:03
  Sims gives it a go. I think John Sims is trained.
• 53:06
  I think yeah, so, and I am going to explain why it is
• 53:12
  simultaneously the worst and the best Doctor Who store.
• 53:19
  On that enticing note, gentlemen, thank you very much
• 53:22
  for our first step into trial of a Time Lord.
• 53:24
  To be continued.