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S4 78. John Kirwin – The Mandela Effect Conspiracy · Millennial Mustard Seed

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  Hello folks. This is Princess.
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  You are listening to the Millennial Mustard Seed Podcast.
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  Thanks for listening. Don't forget to share with your
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  friends. That's tough.
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  We're in a very tough spot. I think that what we're doing
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  right now is a great benefit in virtue because it's an end
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  around between this whole corrupt informational system,
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  media system. We claim to believe in a God who
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  spoke the universe into existence.
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  And literally raised himself from the dead.
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  And yet, we're not going to believe that anything else
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  exists in the spirit realm, even though his word tells us that
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  they do. Their bodies weren't permitted
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  being spoken. These giants would live way up
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  in the island. The young Braves, the young men
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  would hide him in the trees, but wait for one of these 12 footers
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  to come walking down the path. And they would jump on him and
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  kill him and drag him back to the village.
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  And the village would feast on the body.
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  Then people start to get weapons.
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  They start to get armor, they start to build cities.
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  They start to fortify their cities.
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  Now God looks down and there's violence everywhere.
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  The battle, this war that we are at, is not against each other.
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  It's against these principalities and these rulers
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  and these archons in the high places.
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  It's really worthwhile to read the Bible yourself.
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  Fear is one of the primary drivers of mind control, because
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  we have to take every thought captive and resist fear.
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  You're going to have a testimony that is a justice case against
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  the Kingdom of Darkness. Welcome back to the.
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  Everybody. I have a really interesting
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  episode in store for you guys on this one.
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  So I interviewed John Kerwin, the author of a book called A
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  Survival Guide for The Conspiracy Theorist.
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  Now, John's team reached out to me about two months ago.
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  Requesting for him to be able to come on the show and present his
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  book. I didn't really do too much deep
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  diving into this topic. Me and John talked on the phone.
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  We hit it off on a couple topics.
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  I'm like, Yup, this is cool. Let's get him scheduled.
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  I was blindsided on this episode.
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  Because the Mandela Effect. I'm very aware of the Mandela
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  Effect and just the general things that people are familiar
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  with, how it has affected things and the conspiracy behind it,
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  right? But the last, like, 45 minutes
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  of this episode, me and John get into a debate.
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  I'm not saying John is a bad guy.
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  I wanted to air this episode so you guys can see what my
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  defenses were as to how the Bible is changing.
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  So I don't believe the word of God changes at all, ever.
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  But the whole thing is I was kind of caught off guard.
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  I go into a defensive mode, which really, you know, is is
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  healthy because I want to honor God's word.
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  I don't want to be deceived. I don't want to deceive anybody
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  else. But I think this is an
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  interesting episode for you guys really to just see a different,
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  you know, perspective, like really diving in and and trying
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  to get through some troublesome topics.
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  It's it's a good episode. So you guys stick around for
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  this whole recording? I'm supposed to be traveling two
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  times this month of September here.
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  As far as finances go, I don't have the finances to travel.
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  We've had one person donate and I want to thank Isaiah for
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  donating some money towards gas for the ministry travels.
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  I'm not begging for money, I'm literally stating.
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  The doors have opened up. There's places I would like to
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  there. There is real hardline needs
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  like gas money, hotels, things like that when you're traveling.
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  I don't have it in the budget, I work hard.
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  But with the price of everything today, hey, come on, you guys
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  know the deal. So if you can spare 10/20/30
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  fifty $100, somebody out there who's got plenty of money and
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  money's not a problem for you. You can be the one to help me
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  say over on fire theft radio. We get to literally move this
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  thing forward. Because there's so many
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  different messages and signals going on today.
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  It's really important that we have an answer in season.
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  And out of season that we were equipped and you guys hide the
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  word of God in your heart that you will not send against him.
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  There's you'll see, just even on this episode with John, there's
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  so many weird things that we're covering that are literally we
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  need to wrestle through as a whole.
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  We can't just keep our head in the sand on these strange
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  topics. So now's the time to pray too
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  fast to get close to God in his word.
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  We are living in strange times. But with all that being said, I
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  got great episodes coming down the pipeline for you guys as
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  well. I am ready to get into this
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  episode. Are you guys ready?
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  Let's go. All right.
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  Well, my name is John Kerwin, the author of a new book called
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  The Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide, a guidebook for
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  persecuted truthers. Welcome to the Millennial
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  Mustard Seed Podcast. I have an awesome episode in
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  store for you guys. I have John Kerwin here, and
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  he's the author of a very interesting book.
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  So what we're going to do tonight is just have him kind of
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  give us a brief overview of the book.
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  I'm going to ask him some questions.
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  We're just going to organically let this conversation unfold.
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  Now, John, was it this year that you've released the book?
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  Yeah, just about two months ago, I'd say.
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  About two months ago, Awesome. And it's interesting.
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  On this show I've attacked a lot of these different angles where,
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  you know, we have dived into aliens.
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  We've talked about all different types of misconceptions that the
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  church has to deal with. You know, this stuff is right in
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  front of our face. We can no longer just turn a
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  blond eye and just put our head in the sand.
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  And not deal with everything that's going on in the world.
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  I want you to tell us a little bit about yourself and let's
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  dive into this book. Awesome.
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  Yeah. And like, this is a little bit
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  of a different topic from what we are as Truthers used to
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  consuming. I guess in other words, you
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  know, instead of looking into another aspect of how the Matrix
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  operates and how bamboozled we are, the Luciferian central
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  planners, what they're up to, this is more of a of a journey
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  into the emotional, the intellectual and the spiritual
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  impact of finding out about the Matrix.
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  And then specifically though, when your friends and your
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  family don't find out about it and they don't know and they
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  don't want to know, this sets up a very difficult relational
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  dynamics that has caused probably 100% of your listeners
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  to experience a lot of pain. And So what I've done over the
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  last six years is provided A biblical analysis of the Mandela
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  Effect. But primarily, you know, talking
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  to the Christian, the individual truther about their journey and
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  how to cope and deal with the fact that, like in my case,
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  after 24 years of marriage, my wife asked for a divorce.
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  Because the divide that comes up between the truth or and what we
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  call a normie or the unconvinced in many cases is, is
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  irreconcilable. I mean, some people managed to
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  navigate those waters, but I've probably talked to close to 200
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  people directly corresponded with them that have been
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  divorced by their unconvinced spouses in the last six years.
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  Now what's interesting is I was looking at stone.
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  Statistics from when we last talked and people who have a
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  near death encounter, more than 50% of them, if they are
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  married, end up in divorce within two years from their near
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  death encounter. And I thought that was very
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  provocative. And yeah, there's something to
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  it. So I want to ask you real quick,
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  how do you with the Mandela Effect?
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  Right. That's.
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  That's a big deal, and nobody really is willing to deal with
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  it. Now, I have you here on the
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  show. You've been studying this for
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  the last six years and you have some good responses for us and
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  how it affects the individual. Now, where where do we begin
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  with that? I I think of repentance as
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  having a change of mind, right. So do you think that a lot of
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  what's going on in the world today as people are cloaked?
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  To the idea, whether it be through like satanic ritual
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  abuse or or just being literally dumbed down because of the
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  environment, the toxins and our food, the systematic
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  desensitization, how are people not able to just realize that
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  there's a really big problem here?
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  Why does the church reject this kind of information in your
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  opinion? Yeah, that's a that's a big
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  topic. It's it's a very common
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  question. Why can't people see?
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  And essentially it's because they don't want to see.
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  And so then you have to ask that that question, Why don't they
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  want to see? And as I've looked into that,
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  I've discovered several things that I believe are drivers of
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  that. One of them is integrity is at
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  the core of the issue, which I can explain in a second.
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  And you know, I use the term unconvinced and the term truther
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  as ways to describe these two categories.
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  And at the very core of the Truthers ideals is that
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  somewhere in the past they began to question official them.
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  So, for instance, I was having a very emotionally charged
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  conversation with one of my kids, one of my daughters, and
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  at one point she blurted out. Dad, I wish you were normal.
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  Well, I'm sure, I'm positive that many of your subscribers
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  have had a similar statement thrown at them.
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  Maybe not those exact words, but and So what I did, and this was
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  one of the greatest revelations that I found in this research in
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  the last 6-7 years. I looked up the definition of
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  normal rod and what it means is conforming to a standard usual,
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  typical or expected. OK, now yeah, I looked up what
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  normal means or I'm sorry, conforming and conforming means
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  to comply with the rules. Now what you asked me was why
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  don't people see? Now This is why.
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  The reason they don't see is because they don't want to see
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  and and so if you are a truther, what happened to you?
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  Somewhere in the past you were sailing along.
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  OK. I'll just use myself an example
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  and you can relate to it. So I was a normie.
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  I was just doing life. I was married 4/4 kids.
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  I was a pattern day trader at that time.
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  And all of a sudden I saw that the Federal Reserve wasn't
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  federal. So it's almost like for all of
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  us, we're normies. We're just like everybody else.
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  We believe the moon landing was real and the 9/11 was real and
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  all those things were real because that's what they told
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  us, right? But then God comes up behind us
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  and he kind of taps us on the shoulder and he goes, did you
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  notice that that's fake? It's that moment, right.
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  And So what you do is, as I went, I saw that the Federal
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  Reserve was this white building in in Washington and it looked
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  like part of the government and it's called the Federal Reserve.
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  But then I found out it because I was in the financial realm,
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  that it was actually a bunch of private banks not subject to the
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  federal, you know, the government at all.
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  It was. It was like, so obviously fake,
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  like Federal Express isn't federal.
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  And what I said to myself was, well, they know it's not.
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  I mean, it's looking back, it's embarrassing, you know how
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  obvious these things are now. But I said to myself, if that's
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  not true, what else isn't true? And that is the genesis of the
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  truth or journey. That is when you are converted
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  from a normie to a truther. Because now what you have done
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  is that filter has come off. That's the filter that doesn't
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  let you see. And that filter has to do with
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  what's called the reticular activation center.
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  It's a part of your brain that filters out things that are
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  inconsistent with your paradigm. A simple example is if you you
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  know if you decide you're going to buy a Honda Accord, all of a
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  sudden everywhere you look you see Honda Accords.
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  Exactly, Yeah. OK, well why is that?
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  Well, your brain now knows you're interested in Honda
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  Accords and so it opens up the filter.
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  And This is why you can go to Normie's and you can show them
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  your evidence. Pick.
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  Pick any conspiracy theory you want, I'll just use the moon
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  landing is fake as an archetype for all conspiracy topics.
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  OK, sounds good. So you go to your friend and you
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  show them the lunar Lander and you show them the Photoshop
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  pictures and you show them like what I call the shock and awe
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  approach. OK, you just think, well surely
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  if I show them enough examples they'll they'll believe me.
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  No, no they won't. Why is that?
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  Because they don't want to know. And so they have their filter
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  on. They can't see, they won't see
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  until they start to question. Then they'll be able to see the
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  evidence. And so this is really the root
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  cause of what you asked, why, why people can't see.
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  Now there's there's subliminal programming, there's modeling in
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  the media. You know the talking heads you
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  know model mocking us. There's chemicals, there's
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  trauma based mind control, all the cava stock stuff and there's
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  pride. That's a big player.
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  There's demonic spirits, There's the 2nd Thessalonians, Chapter 2
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  curse from God for people that are willfully ignorant.
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  There's peer pressure, the herd mentality.
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  And and that's a big one because humans are very tribal and and
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  so your belief system is actually your, your part of your
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  initiation or belonging to this tribe that you're in.
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  And and so when you start to challenge somebody's tribe,
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  you're not just asking them to believe what you believe, you're
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  asking them to leave their tribe.
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  And that's a lot, a big ask, right.
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  And so you find them very resistant to doing that.
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  So those are some of the underlying things that I've
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  uncovered in my research. You have this moment, you talk
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  about the Federal Reserve. Now, Doctor Laura Sanger has
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  been on a handful of times. She wrote a book called The
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  Roots of the Federal Reserve. She talks about tying the
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  Nephilim agenda all the way back to the days of Noah and how that
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  really is the system that's in play today.
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  How do we go from there to you release your book, right.
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  You. You have this experience with
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  the. Realizing the Federal Reserve is
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  fake, you're waking up to the idea of the Matrix, if you will.
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  Fast forward How do we get to where you are today?
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  What are some of the biggest things that impacted your
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  journey thus far? Yeah, that's another great
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  question. So this was six years ago, and
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  for about four years I was still married.
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  And during that period of time, I experienced what all of us
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  experienced. And I talked about this in
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  chapter six of the book, which is the three stages of
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  rejection. And a lot of your subscribers
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  will be able to relate to this. So you're a normie and your
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  spouse is a normie. Or maybe it's your friends.
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  And and all of a sudden you start to wake up and you start
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  to ask, well, if that's not real, what else is real?
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  And of course, most of the things that we're told aren't
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  real. Everything's crazy.
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  So you're in the Truman Show. And So what happens though is
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  those around you will keep it light at 1st, and then you start
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  bringing things up and they'll say, well, you know, I don't go
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  in for conspiracy theories much. And so they now invoke that term
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  conspiracy theorist, which was, of course, a term created by the
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  CIA in a 1967 bulletin that was released with a whole bunch of
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  talking points, the goal of which was to quell and shame
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  people into silence that were questioning the JFK
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  assassination. And so when somebody invokes
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  that term, it means a lot of things.
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  It means, I don't believe that that's true what you're talking
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  about. It means I'm embarrassed for you
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  for bringing it up because only crazy people believe those
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  things. And it means I don't ever want
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  you to bring it up again, OK. But at first it's very subtle.
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  But if you persist like I did, you know, maybe six months into
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  it, your friends and family start realizing, man, he really
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  believes this stuff, right? So then they go to stage two
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  where they start ratcheting up and they start issuing what I
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  call edicts and they start to manage you.
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  Now, a lot of people can relate to this.
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  You start getting these directives from your friends and
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  your especially your spouse, right?
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  Listen, when we go to the Inlaws, I don't want you to talk
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  about your crazy stuff, right? You know what I'm talking about,
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  don't you? Is that why you're laughing?
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  I'm just laughing because I hear it among people that I talk with
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  but continue on. Yep, So these these are coming.
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  A variety. Like if I received a phone call
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  from any of my conspiracy theorist friends, my wife would
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  scowl at me and I'd have to take the phone call out in the cold.
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  Or I was told, you know, don't talk about them when we're out
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  in public. Or I actually had a intervention
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  in this second stage where I came home and the pastor,
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  assistant pastor in the Deacon of the church were in my son
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  room and my wife was there and she's a drug and alcohol
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  addiction counselor. And she was telling me I need
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  medication. Oh Gee, that's a whole another
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  level. So, So these are the types of
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  things that you start to experience.
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  Well this is devastating emotionally and how do you and
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  and then what you're then what happens though is if you
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  continue to persist and you are vocal about it because truthers
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  have a sense of urgency, you know they find out they live in
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  a scifi horror movie and the the world's run by Luciferian blood
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  drink and psychopath mobster. Not like we've been told.
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  And so once you get to Level 3, this is when you are given what
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  I call shut up or else orders. These are these are relational
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  brick walls where I was told I don't want you to talk about
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  anything negative or controversial.
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  I was told by my children dad, if you talk about crazy things I
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  can't have a relationship with you.
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  Well, that's a that's a showstopper.
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  And when you try to bring up the topic to try to get some
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  reconciliation, because keep in mind, you're right and they're
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  wrong. You're right.
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  The moon landing was faked, 9/11 was fake.
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  But but remember, the normie isn't looking.
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  They're like the British guards where you go, you try to get
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  them to look, they don't look. Normies don't look under the
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  hood. Normies don't want to know.
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  And so when you go to them to try to reconcile this schism,
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  this elephant in the room, they like, I don't want to talk about
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  it. Well, I've got 3 binders here of
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  proof. I can easily show you it's fake
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  and I don't want to talk about it and I don't want you to talk
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  about it. So then what do you do?
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  Then? What is your option?
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  So. So they are leaving you there
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  with your nerve endings hanging out, and then they're basically
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  pursuing their happy life. And you have now your ideals and
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  your priorities have shifted overnight.
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  You've gone from living on a party boat to living on a battle
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  cruiser, and they have no idea what has happened to you and
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  they don't want to know. They have no compassion.
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  In fact, I've stated that the normie has as much compassion
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  for you truther as if they found out you're a pedophile.
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  Because remember, when you start to question officialdom, you
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  start to question the rules to them.
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  It looks like you've fallen in with a bad crowd.
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  It looks like you've gone rogue and they're and they're
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  embarrassed and they're ashamed and they're they're fearful.
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  And so it's a shutdown. And so you're told.
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  I was finally told, don't talk about anything or else, OK, so
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  now I'm emasculated. I'm I have to be what I call
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  happy dad in order to have any hope of having any relationship
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  with them. So I have to pretend I believe
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  like you do by being silent for the rest of my life, or else I'm
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  out the door and I am out the door.
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  I'm I'm 60 years old and I live in an apartment by myself 10
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  minutes away from my family. It's a nightmare, and it's
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  universally the same for 100% of truthers now.
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  It may not end up in divorce. You may be fortunate where your
• 22:49
  spouse is either gracious, A gracious normie, or they're
• 22:54
  actually a truther as well. But if you're a truther and your
• 22:57
  spouse is a normie, you're walking a lonely Rd.
• 23:00
  You may still be together, but your marriage is vacuous.
• 23:05
  Very interesting man and I'm sorry that you went through
• 23:07
  that. So recently I I did a
• 23:10
  collaboration with Chuck from Fire Theft radio.
• 23:13
  He's out on the West Coast and he he's talking about his moment
• 23:17
  where he was like. I felt just like Neo and the
• 23:20
  Matrix. I realized like everything is a
• 23:23
  lie, you know? And it's like the first time he
• 23:26
  gets unplugged and then he throws up.
• 23:28
  And it's like, there's this feeling of you're kind of set
• 23:31
  free and liberated in a way, but you're pissed off.
• 23:34
  Oh yeah, you're a. Little bit pissed off and then.
• 23:36
  How do you recoup from that? So me and Chuck went on to talk
• 23:39
  about Doctor Michael Davis, who's been on the show, talks
• 23:43
  about emotional health and the gospel of emotional health and
• 23:45
  how to deal with this. Because there there's a lot of
• 23:47
  people that they get really pissed off when they start to
• 23:51
  crash land into the reality that this is this is a big lie.
• 23:55
  So that's interesting to hear. That's what you went through.
• 23:59
  And that's definitely a heavy, heavy burden, man.
• 24:02
  I can't imagine what that would be like.
• 24:06
  I know for me, there's certain people where I definitely get
• 24:09
  asked not to talk about it. And I kind of soften the
• 24:13
  approach and try to find ways to inculcate them, right, to get
• 24:17
  them to actually be aware. And and hopefully if their
• 24:23
  head's not too deep in the sand, they'll at least bring up one
• 24:26
  thing. You know, I got a couple of
• 24:28
  friends that are like, not into anything that I do.
• 24:30
  But every once in a while, they'll slip and they'll be
• 24:32
  like, Oh yeah, I did see this on the news and I'm like.
• 24:35
  You want to open that floodgate because I could have a lot of
• 24:37
  fun on these topics. Like, I kind of just slow down
• 24:41
  and look for opportunities. But it's really difficult
• 24:44
  because I believe for myself, I identify as a watchman on the
• 24:48
  wall, right? So when I see something, I don't
• 24:50
  want any any blood on my hands. I'm shouting from the rooftops.
• 24:54
  Be careful for this, look out for this.
• 24:56
  I just don't force feed it to people.
• 24:57
  But I try to find this balance and it's so difficult.
• 25:01
  It's so difficult. So I I want to talk about your
• 25:04
  book. The Conspiracy Theorist Survival
• 25:07
  Guide Yeah, give us an overview. I mean the name kind of says it
• 25:12
  all but like I mean what's going on here.
• 25:16
  Well you know I get I get posts on my channel wake up or else on
• 25:20
  YouTube is my is my channel. We have a an online Christian
• 25:24
  fellowship for the truth or community.
• 25:26
  So we do live streams. I do teachings.
• 25:28
  We actually have video conference meetings and so we're
• 25:33
  trying to, you know, create like a a church fellowship or a
• 25:36
  fellowship. But the I'm sorry, what what was
• 25:44
  the question again? Let's just hit like, you know,
• 25:48
  30,000 foot view of your book. So, so this this was the result
• 25:55
  of my trauma, right? What are people to expect?
• 25:57
  Of being being disrespected misunderstood and then having my
• 26:02
  family essentially turn my back on the on the why?
• 26:05
  Because I found out the truth and they don't want to know.
• 26:08
  That's a terrible cross to bear and what with my community.
• 26:14
  This is what I was thinking my community.
• 26:15
  I found out that my experience wasn't me.
• 26:18
  It's universally the same And so I got a burden for people And so
• 26:22
  the book is a is a selfhelp guide.
• 26:25
  It's a it's filled with anecdotes that'll inspire you
• 26:29
  and it'll give you instruction. Like, I'll give you an example.
• 26:31
  One of the things that I finally figured out, right So I'm in
• 26:35
  shutdown mode. I'm not allowed to talk about
• 26:37
  anything but but and I'm told, don't talk about anything crazy.
• 26:41
  But then my family would invoke things that I knew.
• 26:47
  If they knew what I believed, they think I'd be crazy.
• 26:49
  So now I'm now I'm forced into having a conversation about
• 26:53
  things that I know are a part of a conspiracy, and they're
• 26:58
  telling me not to talk about them, but then they're bringing
• 27:01
  it up in this so that what they expect me to do is parrot their
• 27:06
  worldview to them so we can have a relationship.
• 27:10
  Well, I refuse to do that. So I would just be quiet and
• 27:14
  they would get the idea that I didn't want to talk about that.
• 27:17
  But if they would invoke the term crazy fringe conspiracy
• 27:21
  theory, kook irrational, I would hold up my right finger and I
• 27:28
  would say, excuse me, I may be mistaken, but I'm not crazy.
• 27:32
  Now that's $1,000,000 secret. Because what I did for a year or
• 27:36
  so for a solid two years, I didn't say anything to anybody
• 27:40
  about anything. I I was just happy, Dad.
• 27:43
  That's what I called it. I talked about hair, nails,
• 27:46
  boys. What are you doing?
• 27:48
  Food, movies, you know, whatever, whatever they want to
• 27:53
  talk about. But I wouldn't try to instruct
• 27:56
  them or guide them or help prepare them for what's coming.
• 27:58
  None. None of the things that we as
• 28:00
  husbands and fathers feel that we should be doing.
• 28:04
  Of course, you know, I'm discipling them in the things of
• 28:07
  God. But what happened was they just
• 28:14
  didn't. They didn't change.
• 28:16
  And no matter, even if I didn't say anything about anything, I
• 28:20
  was, it was still an elephant in the room.
• 28:23
  They still knew that I had become like somebody they don't
• 28:27
  know anymore. And so we just continued to
• 28:30
  drift apart. So it's really a lot of, it's a
• 28:34
  difficult journey. So the book is broken up into
• 28:37
  two sections. The first section is inside the
• 28:40
  mind of the truther and it and it goes into all the all of the
• 28:44
  things that truthers deal with and why we do see and how is it
• 28:50
  that this is happening? And then the second section is
• 28:53
  inside the mind of the normie. Why do they attack?
• 28:57
  Why can't they see all these things?
• 28:59
  And it's really helping people. Yeah, man, that's that's pretty
• 29:05
  deep stuff. And this is something that, I
• 29:08
  mean, I deal with a little bit. I don't get persecution from my
• 29:10
  family per se, but you know, I have a Christian population
• 29:15
  around me and. When, whenever somebody's like
• 29:18
  man, how do you believe in that? Or a supernatural experience,
• 29:22
  for example. I'll I'll ask.
• 29:24
  Do you? Believe in the Bible.
• 29:27
  Right. And that.
• 29:27
  Yeah, of course. And then I'll ask, do you
• 29:30
  believe in all of your Bible? And then they know it's like, oh
• 29:35
  OK, yeah, Jesus walked on water. You know what I mean?
• 29:39
  Like, it's one of like 1000 supernatural experiences.
• 29:44
  Like, it's the most supernatural book in all of existence if you
• 29:48
  stripped all the supernatural stuff out of it.
• 29:49
  It's just genealogies and people fighting over foreign land.
• 29:53
  That's right. And offer.
• 29:56
  You know, like, I've had Dan Duvall on the show and he's
• 29:58
  super controversial. He's a friend of mine, man.
• 30:00
  And we've talked about the Elementals, right?
• 30:03
  Earth, wind, fire, water. I mean, we're we're getting down
• 30:06
  into the nittygritty of of some of this stuff.
• 30:09
  Well, I'm not afraid to talk about the Baga Vagita, you know
• 30:12
  what I mean? Or any of the Sumerian scrolls
• 30:14
  or that, that kind of stuff that has a space, right?
• 30:18
  There's a time and a place for that, but.
• 30:21
  It's it's almost like there's a few people that are bold enough
• 30:24
  maybe in the family to bring it up and then they take all this
• 30:27
  punishment. They take all this backlash and
• 30:30
  all this punishment and then really that can that can harden
• 30:34
  and cause a root of bitterness to come up in people.
• 30:37
  So I think it's really a great idea to you don't have this
• 30:41
  thoroughly laid out in these these different parts with your
• 30:44
  book and you know you kind of went ahead in a way and dealt
• 30:48
  with a lot of. It sounds like a lot of attack,
• 30:51
  a lot of sorrow that came, you know, just from the family
• 30:54
  issues, but it was somehow of picking up maybe like a driving
• 30:58
  force to get this thing completed.
• 30:59
  Because you knew you weren't alone, right?
• 31:03
  No question. Just in some of the notes that I
• 31:05
  was looking at, the moon landing is fake, 9/11 is fake.
• 31:09
  The Earth is flat. The Mandela effect is real.
• 31:11
  Chemtrails are real. You know, there is a shadow
• 31:14
  government. Eugenics programs are real.
• 31:16
  I'm on board, man. You don't need to try to
• 31:18
  convince me of any of that. I've been on multiple symposiums
• 31:21
  over the last few months with other researchers.
• 31:23
  We did some national broadcast stuff, talking about all the
• 31:27
  stuff in the air and the water and the food.
• 31:32
  Where does the Mandela Effect fall into place?
• 31:36
  Yeah. I mean, if you were a pastor, I
• 31:38
  would deal with you a little differently than if you're just
• 31:41
  a person or a Christian. But what it is for folks that
• 31:46
  may not be fully aware of it, it's the experience that
• 31:49
  hundreds of thousands or even millions of people are now
• 31:52
  reporting that they have vivid memories of things that are no
• 31:58
  longer exactly like they remember.
• 32:01
  And it is a phenomenon because it's so widespread.
• 32:04
  And the key here is to understand that these are vivid
• 32:07
  memories. So let me give an example.
• 32:10
  All right. If your name is John and then
• 32:13
  and you wake up and your name is Jim and in other words your bank
• 32:17
  statements say Jim. All of your people around you
• 32:21
  know you as Jim. So you get a check up and you're
• 32:23
  not You don't have mental illness you don't have you go to
• 32:26
  your pastor you don't have a demon okay.
• 32:28
  But you have certainty and and so you're like I don't care what
• 32:35
  the datasphere says I know what my name is bro.
• 32:37
  Right. I'm.
• 32:38
  Not getting this wrong, right? You know what your name is?
• 32:41
  So here's my question. Would you consider that
• 32:44
  experience a phenomenon? Yes or no?
• 32:48
  Just the way that you said it. No, I mean that seems like
• 32:52
  isolated, but but it in the in the context of, you know, I
• 32:56
  don't know, maybe upwards of 1,000,000 people around the
• 32:58
  world are waking up with a very similar problem.
• 33:02
  It's just not name specific. It's it's actually cultural
• 33:07
  relevant thing that they're like, no, I'm a millennial, I'm
• 33:10
  a 90s kid man and I remember this verbatim and all my friends
• 33:14
  remember it too. But it doesn't exist exactly.
• 33:17
  Weird. So weird.
• 33:18
  Let me go back to the question because this is a key point in
• 33:22
  this discussion. All right.
• 33:23
  So because we all have a a perception of this phenomenon
• 33:28
  and so I want you to answer the question what the hypothetical
• 33:33
  scenario that I just outlined where your name is now
• 33:35
  different. Would you if you had that
• 33:38
  experience would you consider that a phenomenon or would it be
• 33:42
  just misremembering to you the. Phenomenon.
• 33:45
  Hands down. I feel like something's terribly
• 33:47
  wrong here. You know?
• 33:47
  Like I'm going to die on this hill, man.
• 33:49
  I know who I am. Right?
• 33:51
  Thank you. Okay.
• 33:52
  Now the reason that's so important is because the
• 33:54
  Unconvinced are universally categorizing this experience as
• 33:59
  misremembering. Okay, now they're experiencing
• 34:02
  the same phenomenon we are. So all of humanity is
• 34:06
  remembering Grand Central Station, but it's always been
• 34:10
  Grand Central Terminal. All of humanity remembers
• 34:14
  mirror, mirror on the wall, but it's never been that.
• 34:17
  It's always been magic mirror on the wall.
• 34:20
  And you know, the Monopoly guy never had a monocle.
• 34:25
  And all of these memories are not super vivid like your name,
• 34:28
  but some of them are. We call them anchor memories.
• 34:32
  Anchor memories are like your name.
• 34:33
  You're like, I'm sorry. This is absolutely what I would.
• 34:37
  I would stake my life on it, OK? It's like I played the Monopoly
• 34:41
  game 1000 times growing up and the dude had a monocle.
• 34:44
  Now you can go back to the original trademark.
• 34:49
  There's been four or five different versions of Monopoly.
• 34:52
  None of them had a monocle. Not one.
• 34:56
  Interesting, but it's this reminds me of deja vu language
• 35:00
  in a sense. Now the reason I'm going to
• 35:02
  bring it up is because everybody knows deja vu.
• 35:04
  I mean, there's movies, books, right?
• 35:05
  It's it's a common cultural term that floats around that people
• 35:09
  use. But if I'm pronouncing it
• 35:11
  correctly, it's it's jamis vu, which is never seen.
• 35:15
  And it's a term that literally describes the sense of losing
• 35:19
  all familiarity with where you're at, what your name is
• 35:24
  what. What is going on around you for
• 35:27
  for like a moment? And it's kind of like how deja
• 35:29
  vu will last anywhere for like a few seconds up to like maybe 10
• 35:33
  minutes in some extreme cases. But with the Mandela Effect,
• 35:37
  it's a permanent change within the Matrix system.
• 35:41
  Okay. So everybody deals with deja vu,
• 35:43
  some people deal with jemis vu there.
• 35:46
  There's a whole generations of people dealing with the Mandela
• 35:49
  Effect. And I'm kind of stuck in this
• 35:52
  place because I still, I still haven't really dealt with these
• 35:55
  topics to the point of I know exactly what to do with that and
• 35:59
  how to actually mentor other people that are experiencing or
• 36:03
  have the questions about it. So it still has this realm of
• 36:06
  mystery for me, like how do I tie that down and really figure
• 36:10
  it out? But in your opinion, is that a
• 36:13
  whole entire time change? I mean, are we talking like
• 36:16
  there's literally potentially? Elite races, right?
• 36:20
  That maybe we are living in a box, just like Truman was on the
• 36:25
  Truman Show, right? And they're making changes to
• 36:28
  the algorithms, right? They're making changes to the
• 36:31
  information system that broadcasts the world around us.
• 36:33
  Does it get that creepy in your opinion?
• 36:35
  Sounds like what you're referring to is the simulation
• 36:38
  theory. Well, sure, yeah, like
• 36:39
  simulation theory, I guess. I don't like using that word,
• 36:42
  but what do we do with this? So the short answer is we don't
• 36:49
  know what we're experiencing, but we know what it isn't.
• 36:53
  It isn't misremembering. So, so the unconvinced are
• 36:58
  trying to just brush this off. Oh, John, I could clear this up
• 37:01
  for you. You're just confusing the
• 37:03
  platters peanut guy with the Monopoly guy.
• 37:05
  And you know you can have an implanted thought like that.
• 37:10
  The human memory isn't reliable. Those types of thoughts where
• 37:13
  they're just dismissing it. But remember, that's why I said
• 37:17
  that question before. If you woke up and your name was
• 37:22
  changed, those types of arguments would just fall to the
• 37:25
  ground. You wouldn't.
• 37:26
  You wouldn't be able to accept them because the level of of
• 37:30
  vividness it's so vivid that you have to categorize it as an
• 37:36
  unexplainable experience. And the unconvinced refused to
• 37:40
  do that. OK so in answer to your question
• 37:44
  though here's what we do know. OK so when you when the
• 37:50
  community experiences a a change it's pretty much universally the
• 37:57
  same. Everybody's memories are are the
• 37:59
  same on on most cases there's variance on either side but
• 38:02
  8090% right now in that scenario and I'll use I'll use a Bible
• 38:11
  verse lion. The lion will lay down with the
• 38:14
  lamb is very familiar. If you ask 100 pastors hey
• 38:18
  pastor who laid down with the lamb they'll tell you the lion.
• 38:22
  Well it now says wolf. It says the the wolf will dwell
• 38:27
  with the lamb. It's Isaiah 11/6.
• 38:30
  Now what we have found is that that change to what we remember
• 38:36
  didn't happen 10 or 20 years ago.
• 38:38
  So 20 years ago it was lion and then 20 years ago it changed to
• 38:43
  wolf. No.
• 38:44
  When you learn about a change, it's always been that way.
• 38:48
  So you can go back to, you know, 15 hundreds when they were
• 38:54
  Matthew Henry's commentaries and he'll be talking about the wolf
• 38:57
  laying down with Lamb because that's the timeline that you're
• 39:00
  in now. In fact, it says wolf in the
• 39:02
  Dead Sea Scrolls all the way. They have part of the Book of
• 39:07
  Isaiah in these Dead Sea Scrolls, which is probably maybe
• 39:10
  just 1000 AD and it says wolf. So it's a different timeline.
• 39:18
  Parallel jumping, parallel universe, right?
• 39:20
  I mean, so what's going on in your opinion, parallel universes
• 39:24
  is another theory which has quite a bit of credence, but
• 39:28
  it's difficult from a Christian doctrinal point of view because
• 39:32
  we have passages that say things like it's destined for man to
• 39:35
  die once and then judgment. And so it's it's difficult to
• 39:40
  reconcile an infinite number of Johns standing before the
• 39:43
  judgment seat. And that makes sense, right?
• 39:46
  So I don't. I don't really know.
• 39:49
  Like I said, what's happening. I just know what it isn't.
• 39:52
  So let me ask you a question. When you go to sleep and you,
• 39:56
  you have a vivid dream, right? You enter into this dream world.
• 40:00
  What realm is that for you? How do you kind of put
• 40:03
  parameters or define that? World, That's a great question.
• 40:07
  OK, so if your child has a nightmare and they come into
• 40:12
  your bedroom crying, what does the parents say to the child to
• 40:16
  try to calm them down? It's OK.
• 40:20
  It wasn't real. Thank.
• 40:22
  You exactly. Well, my parents didn't.
• 40:26
  They were like, what happened? Well, you hit it right on the
• 40:29
  head. They try to console the child by
• 40:32
  letting them know it wasn't real.
• 40:34
  OK? However, if you go to the Bible,
• 40:37
  you have many accounts of angels visiting, like Mary or no
• 40:42
  Joseph. Joseph thought that Mary had
• 40:44
  fooled around on her and and an Angel comes to Joseph and says,
• 40:48
  you know, don't divorce her, what she's conceived as of God.
• 40:52
  So an Angel comes to you in a dream.
• 40:53
  Well, is that real? Yeah.
• 40:57
  It's it's riddled through all throughout the Bible.
• 40:59
  And yeah, it also depends just depends on your your view.
• 41:02
  I mean I I hold to a supernatural view.
• 41:04
  I see supernatural threads all throughout the Bible.
• 41:08
  But it's just OK. But you asked me about the dream
• 41:11
  state. The dream state is more real
• 41:15
  than the awakened state and it's a it is a Jacob's ladder.
• 41:20
  Yeah, right. I'll take this ladder part of a
• 41:23
  bridge between this realm of of the space-time continuum and the
• 41:28
  spirit realm, which is the internal realm because that's
• 41:31
  what validates That is the fact that you have the the Bible,
• 41:34
  which speaks authoritatively of the spirit realm and the
• 41:37
  afterlife telling us that angels come through this conduit of the
• 41:43
  dream state to the person's consciousness.
• 41:46
  So when you're in that state of alpha sleep or ram or whatever,
• 41:50
  then your spirit man is is in the ascendancy and you're able
• 41:53
  to interact with the spirit realm much more with
• 41:56
  effortlessly, sort of. When you fast you know the flesh
• 42:00
  is in town and the spirits up in the ascendancy.
• 42:03
  So same thing when you're asleep.
• 42:05
  Interesting. Now I remember when I was
• 42:07
  younger, I was always told I had an over imagination, right?
• 42:11
  I had a stutter. I had some issues with speaking
• 42:15
  when I was a kid, but I could do artwork.
• 42:17
  I was producing artwork in the kindergarten that was 2nd, 3rd,
• 42:21
  4th grade level. I always have had this very
• 42:24
  vivid and creative imagination and it's interesting because you
• 42:28
  know, I grew up in the 90s, right?
• 42:30
  So I'm born in 88. I'm a 90s kid.
• 42:33
  And it's just so fascinating that now is a grown man with
• 42:37
  kids of my own. I'm like, I wouldn't trade this
• 42:40
  imagination for the world. Like, I just wouldn't do it
• 42:43
  right. You know, I love when I can read
• 42:45
  the Bible and it makes me come alive.
• 42:47
  And then I question and wander about these different things and
• 42:50
  doing artwork based on Revelation 4, seven through 9.
• 42:54
  Right. These Cheribin, the Seraphin,
• 42:56
  the all all of these angelic hosts.
• 42:59
  Fascinating. And.
• 43:02
  The dream world, I think it's a lot, is very closely tied to the
• 43:08
  imagination, right? And we can have a lot of junk
• 43:11
  that can end up in our mind from just being.
• 43:14
  I mean, I believe even just music at the grocery store is a
• 43:17
  level one attack of what I'm I consider to be satanic ritual
• 43:22
  abuse. They're attacking the
• 43:23
  subconscious mind. They're they're literally
• 43:26
  throwing garbage in there through the secular music.
• 43:28
  I think that extreme. I don't expect everybody else
• 43:31
  to. I don't care if people agree
• 43:32
  with what I just said or not. Don't matter to me.
• 43:34
  Hey, if you don't like the show. Move on, find another.
• 43:37
  One to love it. So I'm going to go there, right?
• 43:40
  I'm going to bring it up right. That has to be talked about,
• 43:43
  but. You know, so let me get another
• 43:47
  before I just get lost on another rabbit trail, let me
• 43:49
  bring it back to you now. Give me your overall thoughts on
• 43:53
  deja vu. What do you do with deja vu?
• 43:57
  Where does that fit in and how? How would you kind of coach
• 44:02
  somebody into this is what it is, in my opinion, This is how
• 44:05
  you deal with it. Is it good?
• 44:07
  Bad. Help us out here.
• 44:09
  Well, my experience or not understanding of deja vu is it's
• 44:13
  an experience that you have where you feel like you've been
• 44:17
  here before. Is that what you believe?
• 44:19
  Well, yeah, that's how I express it.
• 44:22
  Yes. It's almost like I can tell you
• 44:24
  exactly what's going to happen in 54321, right?
• 44:27
  Like I've been in this very moment before.
• 44:29
  I I literally have seen all of this.
• 44:31
  I know how, what, that person's how they're going to finish
• 44:34
  their sentence. And it's just very strange,
• 44:37
  overwhelming feeling. I wouldn't say it's it's fearful
• 44:40
  by any means. There's almost a level of
• 44:43
  fascination and kind of like it's magnificent and that's how
• 44:48
  I've experienced it. Yeah, well, in in context of our
• 44:55
  conversation, it's different than the Mandela Effect because
• 44:58
  it's a feeling that you have a familiarity, whereas the Mandela
• 45:02
  Effect is a memory of something that does exist that's
• 45:07
  different. So that's the first.
• 45:08
  That's the first thing I would point out.
• 45:12
  I do believe that what you were saying before ties to deja vu,
• 45:16
  that the dream world and the imagination and even Christian
• 45:20
  faith are very much tied together, and that that they
• 45:25
  impact one another. So, for instance, you have the
• 45:28
  biblical teaching in Mark 1123. Whosoever shall say to this
• 45:33
  mountain be thou removed, cast into the sea, and shall not
• 45:35
  doubt in his heart, but believes the things that he says will
• 45:39
  come to pass, He will have whatever he says.
• 45:43
  Now that's A and then it goes on to say, when you pray, believe
• 45:48
  that you've already received it, and then you'll have it.
• 45:52
  So that's Jesus instructing us how to get your prayers
• 45:57
  answered. Now that technique or that
• 46:01
  principle has been adopted by you know non Christians and you
• 46:09
  know like the secret and and visualizing what you want.
• 46:13
  But it's it was something that God gave us.
• 46:16
  So in Hebrews it says God speaks those things that are not as
• 46:21
  though they are. That's the voice of faith.
• 46:24
  Exactly. And so your imagination that God
• 46:28
  gave you is a big part of faith. You have to use outbound
• 46:32
  thoughts because most of us aren't thinking about what we're
• 46:36
  thinking about. So we're ruled by our mind and
• 46:39
  it's just running wild. Like especially at night if
• 46:42
  you're trying to go to sleep and you have insomnia, it's because
• 46:46
  you're having all of your thoughts are inbound.
• 46:48
  So what we have to do is learn to possess our vessels and begin
• 46:54
  to think about what we're thinking about and and decide
• 46:58
  what the thoughts are that are going to give you peace, health,
• 47:02
  prosperity and because and this is not new age teaching, this is
• 47:06
  mark 1123 and 24 teaching and as a man thinketh in his heart so
• 47:11
  is he. It's Proverbs, right?
• 47:14
  Right. Yeah.
• 47:14
  And then take captive every thought into the obedience of
• 47:17
  Christ. We are to be made new by the
• 47:19
  renewing of our mind. It's it's very fascinating.
• 47:21
  I'm tracking right with you, yeah.
• 47:23
  And so you know, in that realm of of being aware of these
• 47:31
  faculties of the soul, the mind, the will and the emotions, there
• 47:36
  is a faculty which is called intuition.
• 47:40
  And it's a knowing, it's a it's a knowing beyond knowing.
• 47:44
  It's there's a, there's a scripture that says let the
• 47:47
  peace of God which passes knowledge, keep your hearts and
• 47:52
  minds in Christ Jesus. And so that what term passes
• 47:56
  knowledge in the original is it's epinosis or beyond
• 48:01
  knowledge? Does that fall in line with
• 48:04
  discernment by chance? Absolutely.
• 48:07
  So there's another scripture that says, and those by reason
• 48:10
  of use are able to discern good from evil.
• 48:14
  So what that tells me is that you can get better at discerning
• 48:20
  and you can get better at, you know, cultivating a mind that's
• 48:27
  under control. It's not running wild because
• 48:30
  typically the, the, the, the teaching that Jesus gave is so
• 48:35
  undervalued, which is don't worry about tomorrow because
• 48:40
  today has enough evil of its own.
• 48:41
  Well, that's the whole message of Buddhism is is, is living in
• 48:45
  the now OK? Because all of the emotional
• 48:48
  pain, the depression, the anger, the fear, you're either drawing
• 48:53
  it from your past, from regret, right, woulda, coulda, shoulda,
• 48:57
  or you're pulling it from the future about all what's going to
• 49:02
  happen. And I don't have enough money
• 49:04
  and I'm alone or whatever your fears are, they're either behind
• 49:08
  you or in front of you. But in the moment, the Buddhists
• 49:12
  have a term called chop wood, carry water.
• 49:15
  And what that means is don't overlay A narrative over
• 49:19
  everything. So if you're chopping wood, just
• 49:23
  chop the wood. Be in the moment and don't be
• 49:25
  like, oh, this is so hot out and I've got so much wood to chop,
• 49:31
  How long is this going to take me?
• 49:32
  So you're miserable, right? So the the whole whole Buddhist
• 49:40
  teaching is to empty your mind. It's to not think, which seems
• 49:45
  counterintuitive, but it's really magical because I was
• 49:50
  struggling with that after, you know, after my wife asked me to
• 49:53
  leave, which, by the way, I did not leave.
• 49:57
  I was asked to leave. And so I am lying in my bed and
• 50:02
  I'm, you know, tormented with all kinds of negative emotions,
• 50:08
  can't go to sleep, And I'm like, this is not working.
• 50:11
  OK, God, I need, I need to, like, rise above my I'm not, I'm
• 50:16
  not defined by anything except who's I am.
• 50:21
  So I should be able to walk in peace and joy in the midst of
• 50:25
  this trial. And so I realized in my bed
• 50:28
  right next to me, is a pillow, and there's no pain there.
• 50:31
  All the pain is inside of me. And so I started to bring my
• 50:36
  thoughts only to my breathing, and I would focus on my breath
• 50:40
  going in and my breath going out.
• 50:41
  Then I would just picture peace on a screen in front of me.
• 50:46
  And almost instantly, all of the pain left me.
• 50:51
  I almost started. I did.
• 50:52
  I started laughing a couple times because I realized I was
• 50:56
  creating all this, this pain. And so all of our of of our
• 51:04
  teachings in the scripture bring us to a place where we should be
• 51:08
  walking in victory and we should have the joy of the Lord and the
• 51:13
  peace of God. And if we don't have that, it's
• 51:16
  because we're probably dwelling on the past and the future.
• 51:21
  And Jesus taught it. It's not new age.
• 51:23
  It's don't worry about tomorrow. Today has enough.
• 51:27
  Can you add 1 cubit to your height?
• 51:29
  He said by worrying no. One of the contentions is, is
• 51:35
  that new? This is new age, this is fringy
• 51:39
  rod. Why are you talking about this?
• 51:40
  And it's like, no, a lot of things have been stolen.
• 51:45
  Thank you from. The truth of God's word, What is
• 51:48
  His intended purposes for us? And the enemy has given us a
• 51:53
  religious context to be able to be completely bored and
• 51:57
  terrified and and distraught in. And that's why you know, men who
• 52:02
  I mean honestly. A lot of men don't have the
• 52:05
  correct level of testosterone because they're using plastic
• 52:08
  water bottles that have BPA and it and it's affecting your
• 52:10
  testosterone level. And that's one of about 100
• 52:13
  things that affects the male body, right?
• 52:16
  That keeps us, I guess you could say, makes us aquacious, just
• 52:19
  gets us to shut up, be good little boys.
• 52:21
  We're going to go with the flow. But that's not the way God
• 52:23
  intended us to be. God is dangerous, right?
• 52:27
  He, he's good, but but he's terribly dangerous.
• 52:30
  He's the great warrior that goes out before us to battle.
• 52:33
  I mean he has angels that slay 100,000 of the enemy in the
• 52:37
  middle of the night. I forget, I think it was the
• 52:40
  enemies Israel at the time, the Old Testament.
• 52:42
  But, but Long story short, what I'm getting at is we have a
• 52:46
  generation of people that. It seems to be like there's this
• 52:50
  religious spirit or judgmental spirit that inhabits most of the
• 52:54
  quote UN quote Christians today. Because if you are finding
• 52:58
  answers, if you're finding peace, that surpasses the
• 53:01
  world's understanding, right? But your fringe to them, How do
• 53:06
  you deal with this, right Go go to your pastor, go to the
• 53:09
  priest, or wherever you find yourself.
• 53:12
  And you actually ask him to break down and tell you how to
• 53:15
  take your thoughts captive to the obedience of Christ.
• 53:18
  Like don't just read me that verse when I show up, I don't
• 53:21
  know, 1-2 days a week and and you request your 10% from me,
• 53:24
  but demonstrate that and and convince me that that it's not
• 53:29
  just something being thrown at the wall to see what sticks.
• 53:33
  Yes. A lot of people find themselves
• 53:35
  like, we're all the way over on this side.
• 53:37
  We're super fringe. We're talking and it's like, no.
• 53:40
  God has good plans for us. He's a good father.
• 53:43
  The Bible says my people are destroyed for their lack of
• 53:45
  knowledge. Right.
• 53:47
  We're destroyed for our lack of knowledge.
• 53:48
  It also says the study to show ourselves well approved.
• 53:51
  That means one of the biggest religions right now.
• 53:53
  And I don't bash people. I just am not religious.
• 53:56
  I I'm more of a spiritual person.
• 53:58
  I believe in the birth, the death, the burial, the
• 54:01
  resurrection of Yahushua, Hama Shia, Jesus the Christ.
• 54:05
  Other than that, I was a wild. Guy blowing in the wind.
• 54:08
  I didn't even grow up in the church.
• 54:09
  That got me in the door. A lot of the times you'll have
• 54:13
  these people that they just have nowhere to go with this
• 54:16
  information. But God wants us to be sharp, to
• 54:19
  sharpen each other. And during this whole process,
• 54:22
  John having love because it covers a multitude of sins and
• 54:28
  we can have all this other information.
• 54:29
  But if we don't have love banging symbols, man.
• 54:33
  Really, if you get into your Bible and and people stop
• 54:37
  spending the time and the energy rejecting conversations like
• 54:41
  this and just sat back and listened and prayed about it and
• 54:44
  went and did their own research, they became a Berean because the
• 54:49
  Bereans, they were with a readiness of mind, accepted all
• 54:52
  of that which could be found in the word.
• 54:56
  They weren't just led astray by any like verse or any theory
• 54:59
  that came their way. No.
• 54:59
  They went and tested it against the word of truth.
• 55:02
  And I think a lot of the times when we dig deep, you will
• 55:06
  become fringe if you dig deep, if you have a hunger for God's
• 55:09
  word. This is impossible to to just
• 55:13
  keep digging back in God's word to not find these Nuggets.
• 55:16
  It reminds me the verse that says it's the glory of God to
• 55:19
  conceal a matter, but the glory of the Princess to seek it out
• 55:24
  man. So sorry, I just went on too
• 55:25
  much of A rant there. Yeah, That's when I know it's
• 55:30
  flowing organically. I'm not.
• 55:31
  It's just flowing out. So, you know, you talked about
• 55:36
  the ministry you're involved in and and I want to talk a little
• 55:39
  bit about where people can find you, right, where they can find
• 55:42
  the book. Let's talk a little bit about
• 55:44
  your ministry as we kind of start to wind down here a little
• 55:46
  bit. And yeah man, yeah.
• 55:50
  So my website is Wake up orelse.com and the book is
• 55:56
  available there or on Amazon. So if you go to Amazon, just put
• 56:00
  in the Conspiracy Theorist Survival Guide.
• 56:02
  It'll come up and I'm sure you'll probably have a link in
• 56:05
  the in the notes below the podcast probably.
• 56:08
  Right, absolutely. I'm going to add a bunch of
• 56:10
  links in the show notes, but yeah, right.
• 56:14
  And So what what I'm doing that last year I did a talk every
• 56:18
  Sunday for the truth or journey, and now at the end of the year,
• 56:23
  God pointed me out. So now the ministry is going out
• 56:28
  to the church because in our experience, 9899% of Christians
• 56:33
  and church leaders either don't know that their Bible is
• 56:36
  supernaturally changing or they have been told and they're
• 56:41
  ignoring it, or they actually do know it's changing and they
• 56:45
  don't want it to be changing. So they're keeping it secret.
• 56:51
  Now I just released a AA1 hour video that was basically
• 56:59
  addressing should we warn everybody?
• 57:02
  And of course God warns us to warn.
• 57:04
  He says if you don't warn the wicked, I'll hold you
• 57:07
  accountable. So and then there's one passage
• 57:10
  in Acts where Paul says, I, I, I, I admonished you for three
• 57:14
  years, day and night, with tears.
• 57:16
  So Paul and all the apostles and Jesus and all the patriarchs
• 57:21
  spent most of their time warning.
• 57:23
  So it's absolutely the mandate of the Bible to tell the entire
• 57:28
  body of Christ that their Bible now is filled with biblical
• 57:34
  paradoxes, pornographic innuendo, confusion, grammatical
• 57:43
  and spelling errors. And the the the fact that the
• 57:46
  church leaders can't see it is probably more astonishing than
• 57:51
  the phenomenon itself, because it's so obvious.
• 57:54
  And I make I can give you some examples of these changes.
• 57:59
  So if you like, we can go there. I don't so.
• 58:04
  Yeah, yeah. Let's hear a couple.
• 58:06
  So there's two different groups. One is King James only.
• 58:13
  And then there's the universal universals.
• 58:16
  Changes appear in every Bible pretty much, and so some of
• 58:21
  these are very vivid, some are not.
• 58:23
  But I just saw one yesterday. Many people will remember when
• 58:28
  Jesus healed a man by using his spit and and he made mud out of
• 58:33
  it. Well, now there's a passage
• 58:34
  where Jesus spits right in the guy's eyes.
• 58:38
  Well, that's very, very unfamiliar.
• 58:40
  Jesus spitting in people's faces or Jesus saying, you know, for
• 58:45
  those who don't follow me, bring them here before me and slay
• 58:48
  them is in your Bible now and in the Lyticus 12 verse eight.
• 58:54
  It now teaches that the people of Israel can sacrifice turtles
• 58:58
  to God instead of pigeons. They don't have enough money and
• 59:03
  you can offer female sheep and instead of there was two men in
• 59:08
  a field, now there's two men in a bed and two women grinding.
• 59:13
  And men are breastfeeding now in the Bible and there's female
• 59:18
  angels in the Bible. And there's variety of different
• 59:25
  pornographic scenarios. One, one of them was with David
• 59:28
  and Jonathan, and I remember it used to say the love that David
• 59:32
  had for Jonathan was greater than the love of woman.
• 59:34
  That's all it said. And I remember 20-30 years ago,
• 59:39
  because I was in the ministry for like 10 years full time and
• 59:42
  20 years lay ministry. So I've been in the ministry for
• 59:45
  30 years and I mean on the platform, not attending church
• 59:50
  on the platform. And I remember reading that but
• 59:54
  20 years ago and thinking, oh, you know, people might try to
• 59:59
  suggest that they were gay. Well, now it, it says that
• 1:00:03
  Jonathan strips naked in front of David and they fall on one
• 1:00:08
  another kissing each other in passion.
• 1:00:11
  And then? And then it says, and then David
• 1:00:15
  exceeded. Well, what that word means is
• 1:00:18
  it. It means he grew as in his body.
• 1:00:24
  So you got two guys stripping naked, kissing each other, and
• 1:00:28
  then somebody's growing in their body.
• 1:00:29
  I'll let you draw your own conclusions.
• 1:00:31
  And then revelation says Jesus has paps, which is mastos, and
• 1:00:36
  that's female breasts. So now Jesus is is being
• 1:00:40
  pictured as a baffle man, basically half man, half woman.
• 1:00:44
  And then there's a lot of unfamiliar scriptures like if
• 1:00:51
  you ask a pastor, hey pastor who who wrestled with Jacob all
• 1:00:55
  night and he'll tell you oh an Angel.
• 1:00:59
  Well, now it says he wrestled with a man or pastor who went
• 1:01:04
  into the land of Egypt and killed the first born.
• 1:01:08
  And he'll say, well, it was the death Angel.
• 1:01:10
  Well, now it's the Lord. The Lord went in and killed him.
• 1:01:14
  Or you'll say Pastor, who cut Sampson's hair was Delilah.
• 1:01:18
  No, it was. Now the Philistines or Moses and
• 1:01:22
  Aaron are in front of the Pharaoh.
• 1:01:23
  And who threw down their staff? Well, Moses, no, now it's Aaron.
• 1:01:28
  So these are very familiar passages that I can go into a
• 1:01:32
  pastor's office and stump him 10 out of 10, which is so
• 1:01:38
  statistically impossible. Yeah, absolutely crazy.
• 1:01:43
  So what I'm thinking right off the bat is CERN is up to no
• 1:01:46
  good. We are all currently in a
• 1:01:48
  parallel dimension and nothing is as it seems, right.
• 1:01:52
  Something's terribly wrong if what you're telling me is what
• 1:01:57
  your conclusions have come up to.
• 1:01:59
  So I know Doctor Chuck Missler used to say if you torture the
• 1:02:02
  text, you can almost get it to say whatever you want.
• 1:02:06
  Right. And when we look at the Hebrew
• 1:02:08
  and the Greek, it's really interesting how precise that
• 1:02:11
  language is. But the English, and there's
• 1:02:13
  something wrong with the English language.
• 1:02:16
  I believe that there's certain words in the English that I
• 1:02:19
  believe are cast spells or incantations, right?
• 1:02:23
  That I think it's a hybrid root of different pronunciations that
• 1:02:27
  were used in the old veneration and worship of the lowercase G
• 1:02:31
  elohim from the Old Testament that's referenced many times
• 1:02:35
  through. And I think the day and age that
• 1:02:38
  we're living in, it applies more now than ever to do not be
• 1:02:42
  deceived, do not be deceived. You know, to flip through verses
• 1:02:46
  and and to hear Okay, David and and Jonathan have some, you
• 1:02:51
  know, gay romance. I'm not buying it.
• 1:02:53
  I'm not buying it. I know God is is pure and He's
• 1:02:57
  of light, and He's given us a certain order and a natural.
• 1:03:01
  Way to work within things. But the opposition is so
• 1:03:04
  overwhelming in this day and age that I believe people are are
• 1:03:07
  literally down the rabbit trail too far to forget the fact that
• 1:03:12
  they're not to be deceived. So yeah, that that's my
• 1:03:15
  conclusion on that. Yes.
• 1:03:18
  So of course this is a very polarized topic, and the Bible
• 1:03:23
  seems to teach that it couldn't be subject to such an external
• 1:03:27
  attack like this. So most Christians and pastors
• 1:03:31
  will become very irate when we suggest that the changes that
• 1:03:35
  are happening in the world include the Bible because they
• 1:03:39
  have this doctrine that it can't change.
• 1:03:41
  Well, we all believe that too, until it started changing.
• 1:03:46
  And So what we had to do is go back into the Bible and say,
• 1:03:50
  well, God's not a liar, He's not contradicting himself.
• 1:03:53
  So what that means is the Bible must not be teaching that it
• 1:03:57
  can't change. And So what we found is that the
• 1:04:01
  passages that are being used to suggest that it can't change are
• 1:04:06
  actually very unclear. So for instance, one of the main
• 1:04:12
  ones is Thy word is forever settled in Heaven is a passage
• 1:04:17
  that's used to suggest that the Bible wouldn't be able to be
• 1:04:23
  changed by the Mandel effect. But it doesn't.
• 1:04:26
  That doesn't really say that the Bible couldn't change.
• 1:04:30
  It might be settled in heaven, but not on earth.
• 1:04:34
  And So what we found was there's a distinction between the term
• 1:04:38
  Scripture and the term Word of God.
• 1:04:42
  And we've been taught from the front of the room all our
• 1:04:44
  Christian life that they're the same.
• 1:04:46
  But they aren't. Yeah, the Word of God is is
• 1:04:51
  Christ. The Word became flesh, yes.
• 1:04:54
  You have the word that never. It's there forever.
• 1:04:58
  Now all scripture is given by inspiration of God.
• 1:05:03
  So these are these are things that should be relative.
• 1:05:07
  If people are taking the Bible serious and they're diving into
• 1:05:10
  these kind of topics, they they should be aware of these things.
• 1:05:13
  Hermeneutical hygiene. This is, this is important.
• 1:05:17
  This is very important because we know that which is corrupted
• 1:05:20
  cannot bring forth that which is pure and true.
• 1:05:23
  So if I have a filter that is compromised, I cannot use that
• 1:05:27
  filter to purge whatever I'm filtrating through it to become
• 1:05:32
  better on the other end. So there's a lot of people out
• 1:05:35
  there who do not know how to handle the word to God because
• 1:05:37
  they do not have the Holy Spirit.
• 1:05:39
  The Ruakakwadesh does not reside within them.
• 1:05:43
  You know there's many who parade as if they are an Angel of
• 1:05:46
  light, but they are of darkness and wickedness and you shall
• 1:05:49
  know them by their fruits. And and this is what I'm going
• 1:05:52
  to say to my audience right now. You guys need to study to show
• 1:05:55
  yourselves well approved. If you think it's cool to have
• 1:05:58
  the LBGTQ in your church or paint your steps like a rainbow,
• 1:06:03
  you are wrong. I'm going to tell you right now.
• 1:06:06
  God told us what the rainbow was was for.
• 1:06:08
  It was a sign. It was a covenant that he had
• 1:06:11
  made with the inhabitants of the earth, that he would never flood
• 1:06:14
  the entire earth in its entirety again.
• 1:06:17
  That's a covenant. And and the reason it has a bow
• 1:06:19
  to it is because there's a Dome and it's reflecting.
• 1:06:22
  The light is refracting off the Dome.
• 1:06:24
  Right. Just read your Bible, you guys.
• 1:06:27
  And you know, I don't say this, whether you agree with what I
• 1:06:29
  said or not, John, I'm not saying it to step on toes.
• 1:06:32
  I'm saying because that's what I believe.
• 1:06:33
  That's what lives inside of me. But there are crooked and
• 1:06:36
  perverse people out there that do want to torture the word, and
• 1:06:40
  they want to use this, the zeitgeist of information, the
• 1:06:43
  general consensus of information, to try to fit the
• 1:06:46
  perverse narrative, to make the Bible say something It doesn't
• 1:06:50
  actually say yes. And that this is a challenge.
• 1:06:56
  I mean, the days that we're living in, you guys, it is more
• 1:06:58
  than a challenge to go and to do some more research to you.
• 1:07:03
  Go pray about it. No closed door.
• 1:07:05
  Go into your bedroom and you pray in secret and let God let
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  him bless you openly, right? Let him fill the table for you
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  to eat at the presence of all of your enemies.
• 1:07:15
  You know the difference between talent and anointing, John?
• 1:07:18
  Talents can draw people in. It can do a bunch of really
• 1:07:21
  great creative things. It can even change the world to
• 1:07:23
  an extent. But the anointing breaks the
• 1:07:25
  yoke. Yes, Hallelujah.
• 1:07:28
  That breaks the yoke and God gives what God gives and no man
• 1:07:31
  can take it away from you. So in the day that we're living
• 1:07:34
  in I encourage you guys get prayed, up, lock arms with
• 1:07:38
  people and recreate this conversation.
• 1:07:40
  It's okay to go there. You guys whether and if you ever
• 1:07:43
  disagree with somebody, have respect because you never know
• 1:07:47
  who you may win over by the way that you just continually chip
• 1:07:50
  away and just love and and go into that battle space for the
• 1:07:54
  and contend for people this time is sure.
• 1:07:57
  You know it is your personal rapture when you die and leave
• 1:08:00
  this earth. It doesn't have to all happens
• 1:08:02
  simultaneously at the same time for it to actually be the
• 1:08:05
  rapture, right. Some somebody who's listening
• 1:08:07
  right now or me myself. We could not be here in two
• 1:08:09
  months from now. That's the personal day that
• 1:08:12
  you're going to meet the Lord. So I believe the fear of the
• 1:08:14
  Lord needs to come back into the church.
• 1:08:16
  I believe the correct order of the direction of the sons of God
• 1:08:19
  needs to come back into order. And I'm speaking life into this
• 1:08:22
  episode. I'm speaking boldness, bold as a
• 1:08:25
  lion into this episode from my. And listeners, you guys need to
• 1:08:29
  get some backbone and you guys need to start wrestling through
• 1:08:31
  these topics. But first and foremost, serve
• 1:08:34
  God with all your mind, your heart, your body and your soul.
• 1:08:37
  That was glorious. I totally felt that.
• 1:08:40
  I felt the Holy Spirit, and I am in all of that.
• 1:08:43
  And I would just, I would just say that I can assure you after
• 1:08:48
  seven years that this is happening, that God is not a
• 1:08:52
  liar. He hasn't compromised himself by
• 1:08:56
  allowing this. And Revelation chapter 13 says
• 1:09:01
  that that the Antichrist will be given permission and power to
• 1:09:06
  wage war against the Saints and to prevail against them.
• 1:09:09
  And then Paul says in Second Thessalonians that the
• 1:09:12
  Antichrist will engage with in lying signs and wonders with all
• 1:09:17
  power. That's a very powerful
• 1:09:19
  description. So and then it was it was
• 1:09:22
  prophesied that this would happen in Daniel 7 verse 25 that
• 1:09:27
  the Antichrist would seek to change times and laws.
• 1:09:31
  I was just about to say that it. Was just that right?
• 1:09:33
  It was right there on the tip of my tongue.
• 1:09:35
  And that word law. Right.
• 1:09:38
  And what is right? Wrong.
• 1:09:39
  That's right. And so the and the reason you
• 1:09:42
  know it's true is if you if you realize the Word and the
• 1:09:45
  scripture aren't the same, this gives us permission to that this
• 1:09:49
  is happening. And God is not his, his His
• 1:09:53
  infinite divine perfections are not compromised in any way
• 1:09:57
  because what was given to the original authors is immutable.
• 1:10:02
  So what was given back, you know, to the original
• 1:10:05
  patriarchs, will come to pass and it will not change.
• 1:10:09
  That's what immutable means. But the the terrestrial book is
• 1:10:13
  under attack. It doesn't have a force field
• 1:10:15
  around it. It's becoming an inaccessible is
• 1:10:18
  actually a fulfillment of a a curse or or prophecy.
• 1:10:22
  I'm sorry. In Amos 8 verse 12, where it
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  says in the last days there'll be a famine, but not of bread,
• 1:10:30
  it'll be a famine of the word. So we're in this time in history
• 1:10:33
  where Enoch chapter 80, verse two.
• 1:10:38
  In that day all things on the earth will alter and they will
• 1:10:42
  be out of their time. I mean he could not have
• 1:10:46
  described it more perfectly. All things on the earth will
• 1:10:49
  alter and what they'll be out of their time.
• 1:10:53
  But I I can tell you, you know there is a there is a a lesson
• 1:10:58
  that I did it's 90 minutes and it's called the seven Mandela
• 1:11:03
  Effect. Questions that the unconvinced
• 1:11:05
  cannot answer thereby proving the Bible is supernaturally
• 1:11:10
  changing. And what it does is it gets the
• 1:11:13
  unconvinced to agree. I'm not convincing you, you
• 1:11:16
  going to, you're going to agree with me that it is happening
• 1:11:19
  with the questions. So if you go over to wake up or
• 1:11:22
  else on YouTube and you listen to that, you will know that this
• 1:11:26
  is happening. There's no more debate.
• 1:11:28
  It is not up for debate any longer.
• 1:11:30
  This is happening. Your Bible is supernaturally
• 1:11:34
  changing. And we know that because I I can
• 1:11:37
  stump 100 pastors in a row on basic Bible memory questions.
• 1:11:42
  But you can't. If the pilot gets 10 out of 10
• 1:11:45
  wrong, you'd have to assume he has mental illness because he
• 1:11:48
  wouldn't have been able to fly for the last 30 years if he
• 1:11:50
  can't identify 10 instruments or the doctor isn't going to get 10
• 1:11:55
  out of 10 simple anatomy questions wrong.
• 1:11:58
  But the pastor does. He's a content expert, so that's
• 1:12:03
  what's that. This is why English is a very
• 1:12:06
  dangerous language. You guys need to get brushed up
• 1:12:09
  on your Greek and your Hebrew when you're talking, diving into
• 1:12:13
  the scriptures of my opinion, and let me just make a point on
• 1:12:16
  that. What I found is that when we
• 1:12:18
  challenge people, Christians, with the idea that their Bible's
• 1:12:21
  changing and they get the question wrong, like judge, not
• 1:12:25
  blank he be judged, could you fill in the blank?
• 1:12:30
  Judge not blank he be judged. Lest you be judged right so that
• 1:12:34
  Scripture that you just said has never existed in any
• 1:12:37
  translation, ever. Judge not, Lest she be judged
• 1:12:42
  has never existed in the King James or any other Bible version
• 1:12:46
  ever. How about this one?
• 1:12:49
  The Lord blanks and the Lord blanks away.
• 1:12:52
  Job Chapter One. Job's defending God's honor, his
• 1:12:56
  wife's haranguing, Him curse, got and die.
• 1:12:59
  And what does he say? The Lord blanks and the Lord.
• 1:13:02
  Gives and Lord takes away and King give it to me and King
• 1:13:05
  James. Oh, you want me to open king?
• 1:13:09
  No, the Lord. You said it.
• 1:13:11
  The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
• 1:13:14
  It's as familiar as apple pie. OK, that scripture has never
• 1:13:18
  existed in any Bible translation.
• 1:13:22
  What you just said and 100 pastors will say that and and
• 1:13:26
  every human being in the world will say that.
• 1:13:29
  What it actually says now in this timeline is the Lord gave
• 1:13:35
  and the Lord shall take away. No, no, 1000 times no.
• 1:13:42
  This is one of those. I don't see a huge difference
• 1:13:46
  with that, honestly. The way I remembered is from
• 1:13:48
  super book which is a cartoon. One of my kids watches a
• 1:13:51
  Christian cartoon and. The story of Job.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah, it's it's, it's interesting.
• 1:14:24
  In English, Rodney and John went down the street and around the
• 1:14:27
  corner, right. That's why the English is a
• 1:13:58
  little bit funky, you guys. It's a little bit funky because
• 1:14:01
  when you get into the Greek and into the Hebrew, the precision
• 1:14:04
  of the Greek and and how complex the Hebrew is as well.
• 1:14:08
  I talk about this all the time, even on and off air, the
• 1:14:11
  English, you're going to lose a lot of the punch of what the
• 1:14:14
  seriousness of the scripture says here.
• 1:14:16
  Here's Rodney's metaphor for what I'm talking about, for
• 1:14:20
  layman's terms. Right.
• 1:14:22
  You could literally. But the original intention, if
• 1:14:30
  it was, I don't know let's say in the in the Greek or the
• 1:14:32
  Hebrew is Rodney and John strived endlessly to arrive at
• 1:14:37
  the corner and through much hardship and deprivation did so
• 1:14:42
  and you can see OK that that's a drastically it paints A
• 1:14:45
  drastically different picture. And that's just a weak, simple,
• 1:14:50
  uneducated representation of what I mean when I say looking
• 1:14:52
  into the Hebrew and the Greek. Personally, I love jumping into
• 1:14:56
  the concordinates. I I have questions for people.
• 1:14:58
  Just like you know how many times the word beast is
• 1:15:01
  mentioned in Revelation, You know how many different types of
• 1:15:04
  beasts there are. But if you streamline read it in
• 1:15:07
  the English, it can be very confusing.
• 1:15:10
  And I just throw that out there because this is the day and age
• 1:15:12
  where we need to get in to the word with the correct order.
• 1:15:16
  Now whether or not there is a change in construction of the
• 1:15:19
  word of God and whether it says bless you the Lord or to bless
• 1:15:23
  with your lips the Lord is good, that's non salvational for me.
• 1:15:26
  I mean I understand with all the different translations, we're a
• 1:15:30
  multilingual house. So you know obviously well 3
• 1:15:33
  languages get spoken out of this house.
• 1:15:34
  So I understand that a lot of stuff changes.
• 1:15:37
  Especially when it we're thinking verbatim English
• 1:15:40
  candidates. That's our localized slang.
• 1:15:42
  So things can get scary where it's like, Oh my gosh, this or
• 1:15:45
  that. But but I'll tell you, David was
• 1:15:47
  not sleeping with Jonathan. I'll tell you that.
• 1:15:50
  Right. And and I wouldn't care what
• 1:15:51
  anybody says by the power of the Holy Spirit.
• 1:15:53
  I would say David was not in a gay relationship with Jonathan.
• 1:15:56
  I would. I would go as far as to even say
• 1:16:00
  the misconception that people really don't understand.
• 1:16:03
  That a spiritual bond of that type of love exists because the
• 1:16:07
  perversions are so great. And torturing the scripture with
• 1:16:11
  the English language. There's something about this
• 1:16:14
  English language, you guys, where really it has some demonic
• 1:16:19
  over and undertones with it. There are certain words and
• 1:16:22
  pronunciations that we use in the English that I believe casts
• 1:16:26
  spells and incantations on us because it has been constructed
• 1:16:29
  that way. It's just like the Hegelian
• 1:16:31
  dialectic. My listeners know all about the
• 1:16:34
  Hegelian dialect. Thank you Enoch Putris.
• 1:16:36
  By the way, He was one of the best researchers and composers
• 1:16:40
  of video and audio production right now, hence the reason I
• 1:16:43
  promote him on the channel regularly.
• 1:16:46
  But you know, this is the this is the time where we need to
• 1:16:50
  decide, are we going to serve the living God?
• 1:16:53
  Do we actually know what is right from wrong?
• 1:16:55
  I challenge people. If you're challenged by this
• 1:16:57
  episode, good. Hopefully it causes you to go
• 1:16:59
  deeper. Indeed, and I'm calling for
• 1:17:02
  debate. I'm calling for church leaders,
• 1:17:05
  influencers and pastors to contact me at Please wake up
• 1:17:10
  orelse@gmail.com. Send me your name and your
• 1:17:14
  contact to phone number and you can either come on my channel
• 1:17:17
  and we can have a discussion in the city gate.
• 1:17:20
  You can share why you believe that the Bible can't change, and
• 1:17:24
  we will share what our evidence is.
• 1:17:26
  And you know, the idea that there's confusion with
• 1:17:29
  translations that explains it or that you can, you can relegate
• 1:17:36
  it to a bad translation where in other words, you go into the
• 1:17:39
  original Greek or Hebrew and explain what it really means.
• 1:17:44
  Well, that doesn't address the phenomenon at all.
• 1:17:48
  It's basically sidestepping the evidence.
• 1:17:50
  The evidence is that we have vivid memories like our name
• 1:17:54
  that are no longer the same. And and that's why I asked you
• 1:17:58
  that question in the very beginning, because what you did
• 1:18:01
  is you agreed with me that what we're experiencing is not Bible
• 1:18:06
  translation confusions or that it can be explained away in any
• 1:18:12
  naturalistic way like well the the you know these passages that
• 1:18:17
  you mentioned, John, I can clear this up because if you go into
• 1:18:20
  the original then you can understand what it really means.
• 1:18:23
  No, no. It is a phenomenon.
• 1:18:26
  It is a catastrophic memory failure, like if you went to
• 1:18:30
  your aging parent and they didn't recognize you, OK.
• 1:18:34
  If you visited your mom, who's 75 and she's like, who are you,
• 1:18:39
  what conclusion would you draw? You would draw the conclusion
• 1:18:43
  that she has early onset Alzheimer's.
• 1:18:46
  There would be. There would be a You would
• 1:18:49
  categorize her as having a mental defect, not
• 1:18:54
  misremembering or just befuddled.
• 1:18:57
  OK, well, when do you have 1020 simple Bible quiz questions that
• 1:19:03
  a content expert like a pastor gets all of them wrong?
• 1:19:07
  You cannot explain that by saying, Oh well, those are all
• 1:19:10
  bad translations, or he's confusing them with the
• 1:19:17
  different translations. It is the.
• 1:19:19
  Amount he used in the beginning was a name and it was John
• 1:19:23
  versus James if I right so. So the point is that those the
• 1:19:26
  memory of my name is as vivid as many of these passages of
• 1:19:31
  scripture. So it's the exact same
• 1:19:33
  experience. They're so vivid that there is,
• 1:19:36
  it is our name. Stream.
• 1:19:38
  I mean, that's to say like names are different now than they are
• 1:19:42
  than they were in the past, right?
• 1:19:44
  If you look at the genealogy of. Adam to Noah.
• 1:19:48
  In the Old Testament each name had a meaning.
• 1:19:50
  It like today my name is Rod and most people are like what does
• 1:19:54
  that even mean right? Like well Rodney comes from the
• 1:19:56
  island of Rhodes and it can have multiple different meanings.
• 1:20:00
  It also means muscular which is very suiting for me because I'm
• 1:20:04
  very muscular guy naturally. But if you hardline and stream
• 1:20:09
  it down to like verbatim just a name it, it actually puts more
• 1:20:13
  hysteria on it In my opinion. It feels like my name.
• 1:20:16
  Was Bob tomorrow when I woke up? That's pretty, that's a pretty
• 1:20:20
  extreme case, and that's pretty narrow.
• 1:20:22
  There's no actually room for merging and understanding that
• 1:20:26
  is an extreme. Hot or cold yes or no answer and
• 1:20:29
  response, right? But we know there's 200
• 1:20:32
  different formats of speech in the Bible, and there's context
• 1:20:36
  in the Bible, and there's also revelation from the Holy Spirit
• 1:20:39
  when we're talking about the word of God.
• 1:20:40
  So it's not as simple as a name change agreement to, oh, this
• 1:20:45
  scripture now has completely changed and means this.
• 1:20:49
  I mean, yeah, there you might be on to something, but I'm telling
• 1:20:51
  you that it's not comparable to just a name change.
• 1:20:55
  So how would you explain? How would you explain the and?
• 1:20:59
  You have to take my word for it that this happens is that I can
• 1:21:03
  go into a pastor's office. And ask him 10 to 15 or even 20
• 1:21:09
  simple Bible quiz questions where I asked him to fill in the
• 1:21:12
  blanks and he gets all of them wrong.
• 1:21:14
  How is that possible? Jordan Peterson made this really
• 1:21:17
  popular recently actually. And the Bible has between old
• 1:21:22
  and New Testament 66,000 locking references where it literally
• 1:21:27
  builds upon a deeper agreement. So I I talk with pastors all the
• 1:21:32
  time. I have probably 8 to 10
• 1:21:33
  different pastors numbers in my cell phone.
• 1:21:36
  One of the things I deal with John is I talk about Genesis
• 1:21:39
  64OK when the sons of God saw the daughters of Adam and they
• 1:21:45
  took all whom they chose wives for themselves and gave birth to
• 1:21:49
  the Nephilim right. And some pastors will say, oh, I
• 1:21:51
  take a Sethite view on that. The sons of Seth were righteous,
• 1:21:55
  right? And and they, you know,
• 1:21:57
  whatever, right, they take a set, the view.
• 1:21:59
  Personally, I don't subscribe to that, but does that mean that
• 1:22:02
  they're unaccurate with everything else?
• 1:22:03
  Now that's one example that I can bring forward where the
• 1:22:06
  Bible would be saying something different to them than it is to
• 1:22:08
  me. But it's still a minor issue
• 1:22:10
  because it's non salvational in my opinion, where I would get
• 1:22:14
  really picky as if we're talking about the birth, death and
• 1:22:17
  resurrection of Yahushua the Messiah.
• 1:22:20
  Because anybody who brings a new gospel to you, let him be a
• 1:22:23
  cursed if you speak a new gospel.
• 1:22:24
  Even an Angel from above come and brings a new gospel.
• 1:22:28
  Now the rest of the Bible, There's 200 different formats of
• 1:22:31
  speech there 200 formats of speech.
• 1:22:34
  I talk with people. All the time that had that hold
• 1:22:39
  and prescribed to a different lens when looking at the word.
• 1:22:42
  OK, but still, I'm not following.
• 1:22:43
  I don't mean to interrupt, but if I can stump a pastor from his
• 1:22:47
  memory and these are King James only pastors.
• 1:22:50
  And we're out of a King James only Bible, so it's not a
• 1:22:53
  translation confusion. I'm asking him from the 1611
• 1:22:57
  Cambridge version. So it's not a modernization.
• 1:22:59
  So how is it possible that his memory would fail him at the
• 1:23:03
  level of somebody having Alzheimer's?
• 1:23:05
  How would he fail 20 out of 20? How is that possible?
• 1:23:09
  Yeah, I don't know. That's not really a question for
• 1:23:11
  me. Well, no, it is.
• 1:23:12
  It is a question. It is the question because it is
• 1:23:16
  a salvation issue. If your Bible is being corrupted
• 1:23:20
  with biblical paradoxes that that are unlike the God that we
• 1:23:25
  know, but you're not aware of it and you're starting to
• 1:23:28
  assimilate this false talk doctrine that's in your
• 1:23:31
  scriptures. Like Jesus is saying, if people
• 1:23:33
  don't follow me, bring them before me and slay them in front
• 1:23:36
  of me, that's a problem. OK, and so because that's not in
• 1:23:41
  reference to where he says I came not to bring peace, but I
• 1:23:43
  came to bring the sword. No.
• 1:23:46
  I don't have the scripture reference in front of me.
• 1:23:47
  I can. I can pull it up.
• 1:23:50
  But my, my, my, my, my observation is, is if you don't
• 1:23:55
  know, which is what you said, then what that means is that you
• 1:24:02
  don't have an answer for the hundreds of thousands of
• 1:24:04
  Christians that are claiming that their Bible's changing.
• 1:24:07
  And all we ask is if you don't know how that could happen.
• 1:24:12
  Then we ask people not to call us crazy and heretics and
• 1:24:15
  charlatans, because that's what's happened.
• 1:24:17
  This is what I have right here in front of me, right?
• 1:24:20
  So I'm at Psalms one, O 3 verse one, and I have the King James
• 1:24:25
  Version, the New Living Translation, the new King James,
• 1:24:27
  the TEGASV, and I could read each one of them right now on
• 1:24:32
  air. And according to Joe Rogan, if
• 1:24:33
  you read scripture on your podcast episode, now you're
• 1:24:36
  really podcasting. So I made a nice little inside
• 1:24:39
  joke recently to that, so I'm going to redo it again.
• 1:24:41
  Now we're podcasting John, so let's go to Psalms 1O31.
• 1:24:46
  King James versus says bless the Lord, O my soul and all that is
• 1:24:50
  within me. Bless His holy name.
• 1:24:52
  The New Living Translation says, let all that I am.
• 1:24:56
  Praise the Lord with my whole heart.
• 1:24:58
  I will praise His Holy name. That sounds a bit different.
• 1:25:01
  They sound a good bit different. That's two translational jumps
• 1:25:04
  there. Now, if you're telling me that
• 1:25:05
  there's 1020, maybe even 30 verses that are strictly to the
• 1:25:10
  new King James Version where people are verbatim getting
• 1:25:13
  wrong, I'd like to see some more information on that.
• 1:25:16
  I'd like to see an actual live broadcast.
• 1:25:18
  Get a couple some people together and actually see that
• 1:25:20
  debate happen live. But the dollars that I know and
• 1:25:23
  talk with, they're going to be a lot more flexible.
• 1:25:25
  They're not going to remember quite like the layman will next
• 1:25:28
  door who may have been propagandized through, you know,
• 1:25:31
  some of these cult churches that may not even be real churches in
• 1:25:35
  my opinion. I think some of them are
• 1:25:36
  upfront. I think they're pretending.
• 1:25:38
  I think there's a lot more witchcraft that takes place
• 1:25:40
  there, hence the reason I keep driving the message home about
• 1:25:43
  the English language and the frequency.
• 1:25:46
  Come on, my listeners know what's going on.
• 1:25:47
  They're actually going to be like, come on Rod, we understand
• 1:25:50
  you're just running around circles now in this episode here
• 1:25:53
  with you, but there's so many things to consider.
• 1:25:57
  Frequency, the poisonings, all. I mean literally the
• 1:26:01
  supernatural word of God warning us that there will be an
• 1:26:07
  unbelievable amount of deception in the last time.
• 1:26:10
  And don't forget about when God is covering up and sealing
• 1:26:15
  Daniel to not release certain writings in the Old Testament
• 1:26:20
  that they're they're for a latter time and a latter
• 1:26:22
  generation we really need. There's so many things that can
• 1:26:26
  take consideration. It's a debate.
• 1:26:28
  Now. I wouldn't say as much as an
• 1:26:29
  argument, but we are clearly debating now towards the end of
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  this episode, John. And if you're saying that
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  there's 10 or 20 verses that you're you can relate to the
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  King James Version and you can stump pastors out there.
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  I'd like to get a couple pastors together that either I know
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  personally or know of and can easily get in communication with
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  and see that kind of debate happen.
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  Because anybody who's going to dive in and has a heart and an
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  education, they're not going to streamline to just King James.
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  And yes, we may remember certain things.
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  It's just like in Tagalog, the way that we'll say certain
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  things, there's a proper way to say it.
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  There's a slang way to say it, just like there is in the
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  English. So when you're relating to other
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  languages, sometimes it's people just have this information
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  setting and it's easily accessible because the way that
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  our brain works is there's a million messages of signals and
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  things going on. So we're we're just trying to
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  jump and grab and streamline that memory and and use it to
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  the easiest fashion for how it would apply.
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  And typically that's done through slang when you know your
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  guard is down right when you're in relax mode, when you're not
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  in business or professional mode.
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  So I know a lot of the times we don't do the best we can
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  possibly do when it comes to remembering the word of God.
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  But I will say hiding the word in your heart that you may not
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  sin against him. What's the word?
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  How do you hide that in your heart?
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  And the last thing I would leave the audience with before we cap
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  this off here John, is if we do not have love, we don't got
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  nothing. We have nothing without love.
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  So it is more than imperative. If you have a drive or a desire
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  that you want to be with Christ when you leave this earth, you
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  want to guarantee that you're with Christ.
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  You need to get into your word. You need to speak with him in
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  private. You need to realize and have a
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  change of mind. You need to change your mind.
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  Stop listening to what pastors are telling you.
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  Stop listening to what the alien deception you need to make up
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  your mind. Choose you this day.
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  Whom will you serve? The God of lights and of
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  creation or darkness, just like most of your fathers did?
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  But make that decision you guys, because I believe time is short
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  and I think just having John here tonight even just goes to
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  show it gets deeper and weirder as we go.
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  But this is what the podcast is for.
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  This is what it's for. So that we can become aware of
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  these topics, these conversations, we we need to be
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  coming together and sharpening each other on this.
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  And yeah, I definitely see a Part 2 down the road in the
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  works if you would like to come back again.
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  And yeah, any closing thoughts here as we hard close within
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  about two minutes here? No, that was well said.
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  I wouldn't. I wouldn't add a thing and I
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  would love to come back. It's, you know, I'm not winning
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  any popularity contests trying to suggest happening.
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  So it really it's a it's a very complicated topic.
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  But I think if, if I am given the opportunity, I can break it,
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  break it, unpack it for your listeners.
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  And like I said, the seven questions that I'm convinced
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  can't answer pretty much ends the debate.
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  Be wise as a serpent but as harmless as a dove.
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  And that is it. That's the episode.
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  You guys, if you found this to be interesting, it was helpful.
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  It challenged you to want to go deeper if you have some
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  questions. We were like, what in the heck
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  do I do with this information? You guys know where to go.
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  You go to the word 1st and reach out to me personally, I can get
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  you guys set up with some better people than myself personally.
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  And you know, I recommend you guys literally go look at John's
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  book, go check it out, Go look at what he's doing.
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  We need to be aware of what's going on in this day and age and
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  hold each other accountable. With all that being said, God
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  bless.