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School of Rock with Nina Corcoran · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: is it? How was it planned? Was it planned? I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I'm nervous about this episode because I've only
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Speaker 1: rewatched the movie once. I've had yourself of an I
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Speaker 1: p A. Do you remember the time where I didn't
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Speaker 1: watch the movie at all? On admitte it weeks later
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Speaker 1: the Matrix The Matrix episode, go back and listen if
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Speaker 1: you want to hear some high level bullshit. I still
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Speaker 1: haven't seen The Matrix to this day. Oh man, it's
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Speaker 1: pretty good. You wouldn't like it. I pretended to not
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Speaker 1: like it, and I felt like that was maybe at
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Speaker 1: the right I felt like I wasn't gonna like it.
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Speaker 1: My arm is covered. There's some sort of there's some
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Speaker 1: creepy crawleys in my house and they're eating me up,
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Speaker 1: and so every time I leave my house, I've been
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Speaker 1: spraying like my entire floor in like bug poison, but
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Speaker 1: they've evolved and they're I My whole forearm is covered
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Speaker 1: in Okay, life finds a way. Don't eat this is
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Speaker 1: our episode. Oh no, I'm going to keep bringing it
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Speaker 1: back to Jurassic Park. I. Well, we were saying that
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Speaker 1: today's movie is what you are to Jurassic Park, as
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Speaker 1: today's movie is to me, and then I like it
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Speaker 1: and you're like, that's fine. I'm ambivalent, will say right,
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Speaker 1: I know, and our guests could not be more excited. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's three against one because Aristotle also loves this movie.
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Speaker 1: Aristotle was reciting lines with me. It was exciting. People
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Speaker 1: love this movie and okay, so let's just get into it.
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Speaker 1: The movie Today as a School of Rock, directed by
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Speaker 1: Richard link Later two thousand and three, and our guest,
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited. She's one of my best friends in
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Speaker 1: the whole world. She is the music editor for a
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Speaker 1: Dig Boston. She's written for pitch Fork asquoiir NPR. It's
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Speaker 1: Nina Congrass. I just knocked over your ice cream, which
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Speaker 1: is also on talking about school from I feel like
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Speaker 1: we've probably eaten ice cream with disposable knives and talked
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Speaker 1: to most School of Rock more than one time. I
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Speaker 1: have like a very vivid memory of us being maybe
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Speaker 1: a little bit intoxicated once or maybe sober. It could
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Speaker 1: have gone either way, but we went to it two desk.
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Speaker 1: He's because you wanted to. You wanted to check in
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Speaker 1: on four square before you bought a pint of ven
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Speaker 1: and Jerry's so that the time of Vena Jerry's would
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Speaker 1: be free. I used to do that all worked. Where
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Speaker 1: is this thing where you would get a discount code?
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Speaker 1: For sure doesn't do it anymore. But we're right you
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Speaker 1: checked in the most. You're the man and through the merits.
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Speaker 1: So a lot of history on the cast today we're
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Speaker 1: talking about School of Okay, well, let's first discuss our
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Speaker 1: history of this movie. K When did you see this
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Speaker 1: movie for the first time. I believe I saw it
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Speaker 1: either right when it first came out in oh three
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Speaker 1: or sometimes shortly after that. I don't know if I
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Speaker 1: saw in theaters or not, but I only saw it
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Speaker 1: that once until I then rewatched it the other day
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Speaker 1: to prepare for this episode. You said you can only
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Speaker 1: watch it in five minute chunks. Personally, I was triggered.
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Speaker 1: I look mad, Max fury Ron, I think the better
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Speaker 1: comperson say that movie. Do you just not like Jack Black?
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Speaker 1: That only I found? Don't like it? Don't? Well? I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's impossible. I certainly no, I really don't. I'm a
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Speaker 1: wretched person with no heart. I thought I liked him, okay,
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Speaker 1: up until rewatching this movie, and then I was like,
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Speaker 1: I find him. Well, here's the thing. I like my
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Speaker 1: comedy to be a little more subtle than he delivers.
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Speaker 1: It's a Jack Black vehicle, and he's so subtle in
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Speaker 1: his defense, it's a very nuanced performance. Okay, I can't
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Speaker 1: argue with that. However, he's just never not mugging the
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Speaker 1: fuck out of whatever scene he's in, and he's just
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Speaker 1: like the shot of the eyebrow truly says it all,
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Speaker 1: Like could you be leaning into this anymore? I still
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Speaker 1: love it? But yeah, I saw it when it came
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Speaker 1: out and then again and now I'm just like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I like this movie so
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Speaker 1: a more accurate thing than Jurassic Park, which again I'm
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Speaker 1: going to keep bringing up today is I don't care
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Speaker 1: for this movie. You didn't care for Mad Max. You
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Speaker 1: said you like Jurassic Park. Okay, I feel like that's
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Speaker 1: a more appropriate comparison. I hated Bad Max and I
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Speaker 1: hate Steampunks, and I was like, I was at Comic
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Speaker 1: Con this weekend, and I was it was a real
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Speaker 1: best of the spirit. A few casualties, but not as
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Speaker 1: many as one would think. I first saw this movie
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Speaker 1: in theaters memorably. I think I've told I've actually talked
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Speaker 1: about this with you before. Because I grew up in Brockton, Massachusetts.
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Speaker 1: My cousin and I went to see this movie with
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Speaker 1: our aunt or her mom my aunt, and someone in
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Speaker 1: the movie theater got stabbed in the foot. Sometime during
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Speaker 1: the second act of School of Rocket. We all had
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Speaker 1: to leave. I'd come back another day to see the
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Speaker 1: end of School. We saw it from the beginning, but
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Speaker 1: we didn't know how it ended for days, and we
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Speaker 1: were and at the time like there was Google, but
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Speaker 1: we were ten, we didn't really use it, so we
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Speaker 1: were just like, I wonder if they win. I wonder
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Speaker 1: if they can even go to the Battle of the
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Speaker 1: Bit Because someone got stabbed in the foot and the
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Speaker 1: movie Gunner was closed shortly after then, we had the VHS.
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Speaker 1: I've seen this movie easily twenty times. It's like one
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Speaker 1: of my favorites of all time. It's so good. That
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Speaker 1: was your experience of the movie. I feel like I
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Speaker 1: shouldn't list how many times I've seen it. Please, it's
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Speaker 1: definitely over fifty. It's way maybe not incredible, probably, i'd
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Speaker 1: hope so I can't stop. But my earliest memory is
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Speaker 1: on a road trip and watched that movie, just only
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Speaker 1: that movie, the whole trip, over and over. I watched
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Speaker 1: it once and then I watched it with subtitles, and
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Speaker 1: then I watched the director's cut, and then I watched
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Speaker 1: the one with all the commentary of them talking and
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Speaker 1: then which is really good. It is it's so because
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Speaker 1: they're like all young talking about it and getting excited
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Speaker 1: seeing themselves on the screen. Yeah, this movie it rules.
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Speaker 1: It's so. It's so good. I mean that, right. There
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Speaker 1: is four times in one car a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: And I think that we were talking about before Nina
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Speaker 1: got here, that I think that the age you were
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Speaker 1: when this movie came out is critical to how you
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Speaker 1: feel about the movie, because we were the exact right
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Speaker 1: Aristotle was too. We were all ten or eleven when
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Speaker 1: this movie came out and the movies about ten or
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Speaker 1: eleven year olds starting a band with Jack Black, and
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Speaker 1: that still sounds like and now it's like, maybe that's
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Speaker 1: a little perverted, but at the time, it was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I want him to be my teacher. He's so cool. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I was like a sixteen probably and I was too
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Speaker 1: cool for school. But it probably really good. I don't.
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Speaker 1: I think it has its merits, but merits School Rock,
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Speaker 1: it's merits well. One of the reasons I am a
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Speaker 1: it's uh, well, look sorry. One of the reasons that
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Speaker 1: I'm a wretched person is that I do not like children.
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Speaker 1: I don't like movies that start children and child actors.
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Speaker 1: You hate a child actors, get them out of here.
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Speaker 1: I hate most child actors, but all the child actors
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Speaker 1: in this movie I have a crush on. So so
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Speaker 1: it's different. I mean, and they're ten or eleven. That's
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Speaker 1: better than when you have like a six year old
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Speaker 1: in a movie. No thank you. But even so, the
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Speaker 1: cast is largely children, and I cannot get behind it.
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Speaker 1: Do not endorse most only a children who never work again.
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Speaker 1: But with the exception of one Miranda Cosgrove, who one
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Speaker 1: might argue it was a star making role for her.
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Speaker 1: If by star making you mean I carly eventually, wait,
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Speaker 1: which character is that summer Um band manager they sleep
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Speaker 1: with the band? Sloot shaming this movie, okay, but but
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Speaker 1: I think that's on Jack back because he made the
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Speaker 1: children groupies, well and groupies, but he could have induced historically.
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Speaker 1: But he also the cheerleaders for it, and I feel
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Speaker 1: like they're because that's the thing that seems weird. But
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Speaker 1: then they're the ones charged with like designing the clothing,
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Speaker 1: coming up with the name, and they're really excited about it.
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Speaker 1: And then obviously when Summer isn't, he's like gives her
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Speaker 1: the biggest job possible, but mainly band manager. He never
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Speaker 1: actually tells her how to do it or what to do.
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Speaker 1: He lets her decide the figuring out how to be
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Speaker 1: a leader. She reads that whole book and then later
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Speaker 1: they're like, she's Upsas with David Gavin, just some quick
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Speaker 1: stats on this movie before we get into the recap.
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Speaker 1: This movie was the most successful musical comedy ever until
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Speaker 1: pitch Perfect Too like to which I refused to see
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Speaker 1: because of that. I am like, pitch Perfect franchise needs
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Speaker 1: to grow up and let School of Rock habits place
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Speaker 1: in history. So this is a Richard Linklner movie. Let's
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Speaker 1: name some big ones. Because I have seen a handful
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Speaker 1: of his movies. I have not like a super fan, sure,
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Speaker 1: but so my favorite of his is Before Sunrise, Before Sunset,
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Speaker 1: I can take earl before Midnight. Maybe I need to
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Speaker 1: revisit it. But those first two, especially of the Floor trilogy,
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen. They are so fucking good. I love
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Speaker 1: them so much. I hate romance movies. I hate romance
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Speaker 1: in general. I hate children. I hate everything that's good
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Speaker 1: about the world. Can I say it? Yeah? So Caleen
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Speaker 1: loves Before Sunrise so much that she has a sketch
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Speaker 1: on the World Wide Web that is a Before Sunrise
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Speaker 1: Twilight crossover and it's really good. Thanks checking on her
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Speaker 1: work out before Twilight on the Internet. Once you know
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Speaker 1: what it is, I just didn't know what it was
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Speaker 1: at first, but then once I saw I understood. It's
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Speaker 1: a low budget production written and edited by a wow
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Speaker 1: budget Caitlin torante Um, It's it's it's the Nindie Faith,
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Speaker 1: but Nindy Darlin. Linklater is also famous. Link Later is
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Speaker 1: also famous for Days Used Boyhood and then Last year
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Speaker 1: he did Everybody Wants Some, which I did see, which
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Speaker 1: can suck my ass. Did not like it, Richard. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we'll get into let's let's go through a School of Rock,
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Speaker 1: which I think we can all agree as his best movie.
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Speaker 1: I I mean I legitimately, of what I've seen of
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Speaker 1: his I like School Rock better than Days to Confuse.
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Speaker 1: I like it better than Boyhood. I like it better
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Speaker 1: than Everybody Wants Them. I'm pretty sure that's all I've seen.
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Speaker 1: Hearing of you, and I can say it's still great. However,
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Speaker 1: many years later than when I first saw, even the
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Speaker 1: joke about fucking kids is still funny. How many movies,
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Speaker 1: and I think they touched me too, It's so funny. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's do the recap. All right, this is going to
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Speaker 1: be a fun one. It's gonna be so Nina, so
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Speaker 1: you know, interjections allowed, but Kaitlin is also allowed to
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Speaker 1: yell back. I oh god, Okay. School of Rock is
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Speaker 1: the story of Dewey Finn Fin. He's so cool man.
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Speaker 1: He's in a rock band with Adam Pesk out of
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Speaker 1: Rent and Aita And that person was in the Once musical?
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Speaker 1: Is that the one with the longer Hair's like, Dooey,
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Speaker 1: we're friends. Man, No, wait, was that a little any
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Speaker 1: one who's in his band? Yeah, he's I want to
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Speaker 1: see with my mom. And I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: I'm star Schuck the man from School up Rock. I
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Speaker 1: was obsessed with Adam Pesco. He's great in this movie.
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Speaker 1: He's like because he's like, I'm sure loss and you
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Speaker 1: don't fit in. You're not enough for the band. But
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Speaker 1: so Dewey Finn. He's in a rock band. He loves
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Speaker 1: rock music. He does too many guitar solos at their
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Speaker 1: shows and the band's like, well, we're gonna take you out.
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Speaker 1: He's like no. Meanwhile, his roommate ned Mike White, who
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Speaker 1: also wrote the movie. He has a girlfriend played by
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Speaker 1: Sarah Silverman. Shrew number one, call her Shrew number one.
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Speaker 1: She's one of three shrews that to Peven throughout the film, right,
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Speaker 1: Shrew number one is like, you need to start paying rent, Dowey,
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Speaker 1: you're freeloading too much. Tara Selverman a job. Yeah, she's
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Speaker 1: wearing a turtle like. I think she's treated Of all
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Speaker 1: the female characters, I think she's she's treated the worst.
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Speaker 1: Agree and her talents are so wasted in this movie.
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Speaker 1: She's so, I hope she paid her rent for three
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Speaker 1: years off of having to wear all those turtle likes. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so she's like, you gotta start paying rent. And Dewey
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Speaker 1: he's down on his luck. He's all out of sorts.
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Speaker 1: And then he gets a phone call intended for his
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Speaker 1: roommate Ned, but it's from this prestigious private school and
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Speaker 1: that and I do love that. The first act is
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Speaker 1: really like the inciting incident is a good old fashioned
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Speaker 1: landline mix up. Couldn't happen today, the little hello. This
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Speaker 1: isn't like great part anyways. So they give him a
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Speaker 1: call and Dewey answers, and they're looking for a substitute teacher,
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Speaker 1: which he's also. Mind you, he's in the middle of
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Speaker 1: getting calls trying to sell his gear, plawning it off
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Speaker 1: as like ridiculous things, which it is not, but making
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Speaker 1: an effort to make rent selling things he doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to sell them mean a lot to write, which he
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Speaker 1: makes clear is for his Mike White is the first
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Speaker 1: person I remember in my entire life realizing that you
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Speaker 1: could have blonde eyelashes. Didn't know so he so he
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Speaker 1: says specifically and this is another reason where it's like
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Speaker 1: no one is nice to Sarah Silverman in this movie.
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Speaker 1: Everyone's afraid of her. Or he's like, I'll do it
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Speaker 1: for you, but not for that turtleneck, bitch. You know.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't say it, but I think he almost says
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Speaker 1: worse anyways, but yes, it's implied either way. So he
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Speaker 1: gets this call and he pretends to be ned, and
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Speaker 1: so he goes to this school pretending to be a
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Speaker 1: substitute teacher. And it's a classroom full of all these
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Speaker 1: young youths of America and they're accustomed to a very
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Speaker 1: strict academic regiment and they're like, are you going to
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Speaker 1: teach us or what? And he's just like, oh, I'm
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Speaker 1: hung over. And he's very not into it. He's really
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Speaker 1: just there to try to make some another exchange. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know what hungover meant when I saw this movie.
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Speaker 1: Literally teaches you that mean you're drunk, just drunk yesterday.
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Speaker 1: I means you're an alcoholic. No, it doesn't, which isn't
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Speaker 1: always true. That's a more square rectangle thing. Uh. So
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Speaker 1: he's having a hard time connecting with these kids at first,
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Speaker 1: and then he's like, wait a minute, what if I
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Speaker 1: start teaching the music, So forget about the eye out part. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because he hears because he hears him playing music and
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Speaker 1: goes and it's like, dang right. He says that without words. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: he just the eyebrows say it all and then some
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Speaker 1: the whole script, he as each wave. Some people are
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Speaker 1: not going to like the eyebrow wave. But I think
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Speaker 1: that he saved about three pages of dialogue with the
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Speaker 1: eyebrow right, Because so Principal Joan Cuza comes in, She's like,
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Speaker 1: it's time for their music lessons. So he hears them
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Speaker 1: playing music. He's like, wait a minute, there are musicians.
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Speaker 1: This kid plays the acoustic guitar. I can teach him
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Speaker 1: how to play electric guitar. This other girl plays the cello.
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Speaker 1: She's now the base. So he like, which, by the way,
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Speaker 1: in saying that in this world, Jack Black has never
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Speaker 1: heard of a cello, He's like, what was that cello
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Speaker 1: you've got? That's also she says like two or three
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Speaker 1: lines in the whole movie, and that's one of them.
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Speaker 1: But also I'm pretty sure that's because of a choice
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Speaker 1: thing really ill, because I looked at she's like one
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Speaker 1: of were also talked because First of all, she was
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Speaker 1: hashtag arizontal's crush of the movie. Second of all, she
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Speaker 1: and I were born on the exact same date. So
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Speaker 1: you played bass so cello it's a base um. But
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Speaker 1: also she was also never in anything ever. Again, she
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Speaker 1: did do her own you know, way too much. She
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Speaker 1: did her own YouTube series of her playing music really
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Speaker 1: under her real name. I think she changed the name
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Speaker 1: of it. I wish I remembered it right now, But
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Speaker 1: she did a really long time because all those people
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Speaker 1: who had a crush on her found like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: she did become the music girl of my dream, Rebecca Brown.
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Speaker 1: It's actually became Rebecca Black and now has a hit
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Speaker 1: song that's Friday. Oh like Cosmopolitan dot com, slash uk,
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Speaker 1: this school of rock child actress actually became a rock
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Speaker 1: star subhead. Jack Black totally called it. I hate subheads
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Speaker 1: so much, but you need to the people need to
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Speaker 1: click anyways. Sorry, let's carry on. Okay, we'll get back
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Speaker 1: to her. So this whole classroom full of students, he's like,
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Speaker 1: all right, you he signs roles. He's like, you're the
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Speaker 1: going to be the lead guitar, you're the bass player,
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Speaker 1: you're the keyboard and then there's other kids in the
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Speaker 1: class who I guess aren't important. So he's like, they're
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Speaker 1: not musically talented. So he's like, you can be a groupie.
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Speaker 1: You're going to design the costumes. Hey, you're the lighting guy,
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Speaker 1: which is all important important. They totally are they totally.
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Speaker 1: You're speaking to a music journalist. I know what I
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Speaker 1: want your word. What I meant to say, I will
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Speaker 1: write something means. Second, Jack Black totally called it sucks.
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Speaker 1: I told you, I'm wretched. I misspoke. What I meant
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Speaker 1: is I guess they're not cool enough to be in
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Speaker 1: the band or whatever. Anyway, because you're not in the
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Speaker 1: band doesn't mean you're not in the band. But he
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Speaker 1: does overlook them at first. At first he's like, you
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Speaker 1: can watch yeah, and then he has to like, I
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Speaker 1: gets too excited about the music, right, Dowey, I guess
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Speaker 1: Jack basically do we Dowey? And then they enter. He's like,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna enter the Battle of the Band's contest because
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Speaker 1: he is now without a band. So he's using these
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Speaker 1: children to have his own rock band. Again, that's what
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Speaker 1: this movie is about anyway, So he I don't understand
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Speaker 1: what the process. Meanwhile, he's like fooling principal Joan Cusack,
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Speaker 1: and she she's Shrewd number two. She's like rules, rules, rules,
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Speaker 1: You're not allowed to take a field trip, blah blah blah.
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Speaker 1: And then things culminate to a point where people figure
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Speaker 1: out that he's been lying this whole time, and they're like,
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Speaker 1: you're whole bust him. Shrewd number one. Yeah, have we
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Speaker 1: have we named Shrewd number three? We have not. She
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Speaker 1: is Summer of the band manager Miranda Cosgrow, a very young,
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Speaker 1: adorable doughe eyed Miranda Cosgrown idolize she cannot saying, and
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Speaker 1: she idolizes David Geffen. She rules, can I just really quick?
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Brown my Birthday Twin is now performing in spam
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Speaker 1: Alton in Chicago, which is a parody musical of Hamilton's
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Speaker 1: and it's also in Chicago. She's doing great. She has
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Speaker 1: an Instagram account. She has an Instagram. She's doing great.
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Speaker 1: She's I look forward to our shared birth day. Maybe
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Speaker 1: I'll go. I'll go to Chicago next week. Maybe I'll
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Speaker 1: go to Spammleton Chai please do anyways the end, She's
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Speaker 1: doing fine, Okay, cool, cool, cool cool. She has like
20:09
Speaker 1: three lines in the movie, but she's fine. People find
20:11
Speaker 1: out that he is not actually ned, and he gets
20:17
Speaker 1: in trouble and he gets fired from his job. There
20:19
Speaker 1: are police there, doesn't get arrested. Good for him. And
20:22
Speaker 1: then the kids are like, but wait, we still want
20:24
Speaker 1: to do Battle of the Band. So they go to
20:26
Speaker 1: his house, get him out of bed. He's not wearing
20:28
Speaker 1: a shirt. You do see his nipples and then they're like,
20:31
Speaker 1: come on, they're hard. They're like, come on, we're going
20:36
Speaker 1: to the Battle of the Band. So he drives him
20:37
Speaker 1: in his van to a bout all of the bands.
20:40
Speaker 1: They play a song. It's great, they don't win, but
20:43
Speaker 1: everyone's like School of Rock, Encore, Please, it's in encore.
20:46
Speaker 1: So they play another song and everything ends up fine.
20:51
Speaker 1: The end, la la la. Well they starting school, which
20:56
Speaker 1: is a real fact. Yeah, it's like a real after
20:58
Speaker 1: school program, right was it a real thing? Before the
21:01
Speaker 1: movie had there was like not controversy, but apparently they
21:05
Speaker 1: started writing this script and then that was also happening,
21:08
Speaker 1: but it wasn't meant as like a you know, true
21:10
Speaker 1: story of the people who started that program, and the
21:12
Speaker 1: title was going to be something different or they almost
21:16
Speaker 1: had to change it to something else the School of
21:18
Speaker 1: Rock title because of the program. Oh interesting. I mean
21:21
Speaker 1: I'm sure that it's like yeah, And then they were like,
21:25
Speaker 1: if anything, this is going to help boost It had
21:28
Speaker 1: to because I'm sure people assumed it was like every city. No, yeah, yeah,
21:32
Speaker 1: because I remember they every single They have one in Boston,
21:36
Speaker 1: don't they. Yeah. Also, I think it's funny to mention
21:41
Speaker 1: I have not seen this music. All the school Rock
21:43
Speaker 1: has been adapted for the stage on Broadway, buying none
21:47
Speaker 1: other than my boy and yours, Andrew lood whatever and
21:54
Speaker 1: a guy from Downtown Abbey. I mean, if we're talking
21:57
Speaker 1: about the man Andrew would Webber really does just fit
22:01
Speaker 1: right in there, as does anyone associated with Downton Appy.
22:07
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's a very successful Broadway musical now as well,
22:10
Speaker 1: although I'm willing to meet its digs. Compared to they
22:14
Speaker 1: debuted the one of the songs on the Today Show,
22:17
Speaker 1: It's like I could watch it. Must have been in
22:18
Speaker 1: college when it came out, and I was not impressed
22:22
Speaker 1: because it deviates ever so slightly from the script which
22:25
Speaker 1: I have memorized, and boy was my brain not into it.
22:30
Speaker 1: But there's also the TV show on Nickelodeon I don't
22:33
Speaker 1: know if it's so there was, Yeah, there wasn't. I
22:36
Speaker 1: when was that on? I did not watch that. I
22:38
Speaker 1: think it premiered in and let's see if it's still
22:43
Speaker 1: on it is season so School of all that, to say,
22:50
Speaker 1: the story ages very well. People love a timeless tale rock.
22:55
Speaker 1: People are always going at school. People always want to
22:59
Speaker 1: make school cool, and that's why School of Rock holds
23:03
Speaker 1: up till this very day. And see no just okay.
23:08
Speaker 1: I think that there's a there's a lot to talk
23:10
Speaker 1: about in terms of how female characters are treated in
23:14
Speaker 1: this movie. And also I think expanding that to Richard
23:18
Speaker 1: linklater a little bit would be hopeful because I was
23:21
Speaker 1: doing some background research and my research made me like
23:24
Speaker 1: Richard Linkland or less because partially because his most recent film,
23:29
Speaker 1: Everybody Wants Them is just a big I mean, have
23:32
Speaker 1: you guys seen it? So it's about it's loosely based
23:36
Speaker 1: on Richard Linkletter's freshman year of college in the nine eighties,
23:40
Speaker 1: and it's about boy not boyfriends. It's about friends that
23:45
Speaker 1: are boys, like boy tribes. It's a very animal house
23:48
Speaker 1: kind of several different boyhoods are coming together into one movie.
23:52
Speaker 1: But like what like barely thought out. It's it's a
23:55
Speaker 1: it's a fucking drag. It's a real drag. There's a
23:59
Speaker 1: lot of jokes at the pens of women, almost every
24:01
Speaker 1: shot of a girl. And you know, Richard Richard linkletter
24:04
Speaker 1: and interviews is like, well, but tell an eighteen year
24:06
Speaker 1: old boy would see it. And it's like, but also
24:08
Speaker 1: if you're a boy seeing it, then that's how you're
24:10
Speaker 1: taught to you women. Anyways, what an idiot. But in
24:15
Speaker 1: response to sorry, I'm like, hijack, you can cut this
24:19
Speaker 1: out if you want, please, I cannot wait to ki,
24:24
Speaker 1: I mean, please go on. Um So. Also he's directed
24:29
Speaker 1: a movie called boy I mean, I I enjoyed Boyhood.
24:33
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it's it's a cool film. It
24:35
Speaker 1: was fine. I liked it. What did you did you like?
24:38
Speaker 1: I'm impressed that he got the same people to stay
24:39
Speaker 1: on for a long time, like means he's agreeable. Also
24:43
Speaker 1: like that the thing I remember most is like a
24:46
Speaker 1: wordless probably like thirty second thing of when he's really
24:49
Speaker 1: young and the boyfriend's like a dead bird and dead
24:52
Speaker 1: something dead in the backyard, I think. And he doesn't say,
24:55
Speaker 1: he just says, like death, what is I'm glad, thank you.
25:00
Speaker 1: An they got me thinking, that's what I think of
25:04
Speaker 1: when I think of that movie, and that is horrible
25:05
Speaker 1: acting at the end. Yeah, I mean he really rolled
25:09
Speaker 1: the dice on that. And sometimes you're gonna get a
25:11
Speaker 1: Haley Joel Osmond. Most times you're not Haley Joel Osmond.
25:16
Speaker 1: If you're listening, please come on the podcast. We're waiting
25:18
Speaker 1: for you. We can do any movie you want. Six
25:22
Speaker 1: for my tweets, don't you don't have to do six sends?
25:24
Speaker 1: What was the movie you like? I just want to
25:25
Speaker 1: more about I just wonder more about things that he likes.
25:30
Speaker 1: Maybe he's into some weird shit. If you're into some
25:33
Speaker 1: weird ship, for sure, hit me up. Anyways, everybody wants
25:38
Speaker 1: some received generally positively. People are like, it's a you know,
25:42
Speaker 1: an ode to boys? What movie fucking isn't Christopher Nolan
25:47
Speaker 1: just released a movie I keep calling Boys City done
25:52
Speaker 1: Kirk don Kirk, Yeah, there's anyways. Yeah, why isn't there
25:55
Speaker 1: a girlhood? Hello? Because because everyone wants to jerk off
25:59
Speaker 1: to themselves. And I get that. Richard Linklater is a
26:01
Speaker 1: man and he's able to make movies because he's a man.
26:03
Speaker 1: So he's going to drink off to himself, however, so
26:07
Speaker 1: he retaliates, not retaliates, but make makes a strategic move,
26:11
Speaker 1: as as some people do after people are like everybody
26:15
Speaker 1: wants them is making fun of women a lot, and
26:19
Speaker 1: the women who are in it are only objectified. And
26:21
Speaker 1: then he says, well, I am executive producing a women's
26:27
Speaker 1: film now. So he signs on to executive produce a
26:31
Speaker 1: friend of his who's making a movie. Her name is
26:34
Speaker 1: Katie Coconos, and the name of the movie is I
26:38
Speaker 1: Dreamed Too Much. It was an indie movie, came out
26:40
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago at this point, and he
26:42
Speaker 1: doesn't interview a crummy interview with Vanity Fair in which
26:47
Speaker 1: he sort of discusses why he feels that women aren't
26:51
Speaker 1: being given opportunities and film I'd love to hear, and
26:54
Speaker 1: he's got some really interesting thoughts. So question, why was
27:00
Speaker 1: is the project that finally got you to step into
27:01
Speaker 1: a producing role? His answer, well, I like that it's
27:05
Speaker 1: one of the few young women's films that isn't really
27:08
Speaker 1: centered around a guy or getting a guy or breaking
27:11
Speaker 1: up with a guy. I like that Katie had a
27:13
Speaker 1: real strong vision for a young woman her own dreams,
27:16
Speaker 1: her own aspirations, and I thought, that's pretty damn unique.
27:20
Speaker 1: You don't see that a lot. There needs to be
27:22
Speaker 1: more voices like that out there. First of all, thank
27:25
Speaker 1: you so fucking much, because I'm always around trying to
27:29
Speaker 1: get the guy break up with the guy, and it
27:31
Speaker 1: never occurred to me. You know, that's pretty damn unique.
27:36
Speaker 1: He says, you do what you can. But I think
27:37
Speaker 1: it's just an access question. I think a lot of
27:39
Speaker 1: women in general want to talk about their experience of youth,
27:43
Speaker 1: like boyhood, days of confused, everybody wants on, etcetera. I
27:46
Speaker 1: think they're probably a little more hesitant in the film
27:49
Speaker 1: world to say, oh, my own story, that's worthy of
27:51
Speaker 1: semina cinema, Jesus Christ, Well, I have to go overds
27:57
Speaker 1: in the bedroom to come to continue to quote. I
28:02
Speaker 1: remember doing some interviews on Everybody Wants Some and people
28:05
Speaker 1: were like, why aren't there any good female roles? Your
28:07
Speaker 1: film is very male, there's no women in it. I'd
28:09
Speaker 1: always say, well, if you feel there's a void, I
28:12
Speaker 1: did executive produce this other movie, so when that film opens,
28:15
Speaker 1: I hope you care or pay attention because it's out there.
28:19
Speaker 1: So instead of uh, saying, Hey, maybe I should write
28:22
Speaker 1: a female character that isn't horror virgin or shrew. Go
28:27
Speaker 1: see what this other person made. I gave her ten
28:29
Speaker 1: thousand dollars and I would like credit for that. So
28:33
Speaker 1: he's basically saying he's he's a very hot on the back,
28:36
Speaker 1: thank you for trying. That's like, I don't like it.
28:40
Speaker 1: God his blind Oh, it's so unique to have a
28:44
Speaker 1: woman tell her own story. You just don't see that
28:46
Speaker 1: that much. But do you fucking have any idea? Why?
28:50
Speaker 1: You stupid idiot? And also the implication is like women
28:54
Speaker 1: are just this is just starting to occur to him.
28:57
Speaker 1: Did they too grew up and they too have had
29:02
Speaker 1: feelings that weren't just about how horny they are for
29:04
Speaker 1: me or my fucking friends. And now that they're having
29:08
Speaker 1: these feelings, I'm tossing them the fucking ball. And it's
29:11
Speaker 1: just like, So that interview, really, and this is an
29:14
Speaker 1: interview from this year, made me really want to like
29:19
Speaker 1: look back at some of his because because from what
29:22
Speaker 1: I can tell, and I haven't seen them all, it
29:24
Speaker 1: seems like his treatment of women is kind of movie
29:29
Speaker 1: to movie from what because I I felt, as I
29:32
Speaker 1: remember I wasn't watching it for this podcast, but like Boyhood,
29:35
Speaker 1: I didn't think was incredibly unfair to its It just
29:39
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, nothing really struck me with
29:43
Speaker 1: the Before trilogy. It's really just two main characters, Ethan
29:47
Speaker 1: Hawk's character and Julie Dupley's character. And Julie Dudley's character
29:50
Speaker 1: is solid. It's a very character driven, mostly dialogue. Not
29:55
Speaker 1: a ton happens in any of the movies except for
29:58
Speaker 1: just developing their relations and ship. But her character is
30:02
Speaker 1: very like, she's very outspoken, she has opinions, she voices
30:07
Speaker 1: them right. But then I would argue in Days and Confused,
30:11
Speaker 1: women are not treated very well. I don't remember it
30:13
Speaker 1: that well, so I can't speak much to it in general.
30:15
Speaker 1: I mean as a rule there you know, it is
30:17
Speaker 1: a male focus film and the women are objectified. It's
30:20
Speaker 1: like kind of in the same way as Everybody Wants
30:23
Speaker 1: the which he himself connects the two movies as like, yeah,
30:27
Speaker 1: that's like a spiritual sequel kind of thing, and that
30:30
Speaker 1: it's about young boys who just wanted. So anyways, it
30:35
Speaker 1: does seem like there's a lot of nuance here in
30:37
Speaker 1: terms of like movie to movie, so let's bring it
30:40
Speaker 1: back to school of freaking rock. Okay, So that's why
30:45
Speaker 1: I think my criticism is over for the episode. I
30:49
Speaker 1: did want to bring up because that I reading that
30:51
Speaker 1: interview really piss me off. One quote. What you point
30:55
Speaker 1: out to though, like this being unique and putting, it's
30:58
Speaker 1: just putting. I like, I don't know, Like this happens
31:00
Speaker 1: a lot in life, not even just in quote for
31:02
Speaker 1: but where women having like original quote unquote ideas and
31:08
Speaker 1: being like remotely creative or deviating from this setup of
31:11
Speaker 1: like I don't even know. I feel like it's just
31:14
Speaker 1: this big thing of putting someone in pedestal for having
31:16
Speaker 1: an idea which is not of like a normal like
31:19
Speaker 1: having ambitions. Well, he's completely failing to acknowledge the fact
31:23
Speaker 1: that women don't get the same opportunities in Hollywood to
31:26
Speaker 1: make movies, and the few times that a woman is
31:30
Speaker 1: directing a movie, it's seen as this novel thing. Oh,
31:34
Speaker 1: how original, how unique, And it's just because we've been
31:37
Speaker 1: pushed down all throughout the history of filmmaking and also
31:42
Speaker 1: life in general, society, history of the world. Right, it
31:46
Speaker 1: isn't like the way that quote especially, Yeah, it's it's
31:50
Speaker 1: sort of the same quote where it sounds like, and
31:53
Speaker 1: maybe this was taken out of context, but I mean
31:55
Speaker 1: it sounds like Richard link Lighter thinks that women are
31:59
Speaker 1: just starting to direct movies because it just occurred to
32:02
Speaker 1: them that they might have a story whereth telling where
32:05
Speaker 1: it's actually been centuries of not inflament, but you know,
32:09
Speaker 1: like it's been at least a century long struggle to
32:11
Speaker 1: even get one percent representation, which I think is about
32:15
Speaker 1: still where we're at in terms of directing anyways. So
32:19
Speaker 1: that's dumb. Uh. But back to School of Rock and
32:24
Speaker 1: it's female characters. Let's talk about Principal Mullins because I
32:28
Speaker 1: think she she has I guess, the most story of
32:32
Speaker 1: any female character, or I love her. I don't know
32:40
Speaker 1: how well she's treated by the story, but as a character,
32:43
Speaker 1: I love her. She's in charge, she's very good at
32:46
Speaker 1: her job. She is respected by to some degree every
32:51
Speaker 1: but like she is by pretty much everybody, I feel like,
32:53
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone thinks she's doing a bad job, right,
32:56
Speaker 1: But there's like liking someone and then not or like
33:00
Speaker 1: respecting them are really different. Sure, yeah she's respected, but
33:04
Speaker 1: I think she acknowledges And then there's also a scene
33:07
Speaker 1: like in the teacher's lounge where she's like harping on
33:11
Speaker 1: about something and Dewey's like she always like this and
33:14
Speaker 1: they're like, oh yeah, like they don't really see her
33:17
Speaker 1: as like someone, which makes sense because she's there's superior
33:21
Speaker 1: boss like that. Yeah, We're like, yeah, he's so fu
33:24
Speaker 1: up night. And then there's that scene where they go
33:29
Speaker 1: out to coffee, which ends up being a giant mug
33:32
Speaker 1: of beer instead of coffee. She's like she or you
33:35
Speaker 1: don't have coffee and he's like, oh, I'm sure she's
33:38
Speaker 1: so good. Afterwards she's like, no one thinks I'm cool.
33:43
Speaker 1: I had to become this pitch and he's like, no, no, no,
33:47
Speaker 1: you're cool. So I kind of like that scene where
33:51
Speaker 1: she's like, this role made me have to be a
33:54
Speaker 1: certain way, or at least she feels that way, and
33:58
Speaker 1: she's acknowledging that because maybe a woman in power, I
34:02
Speaker 1: had to assume this role to be respected, right. I
34:06
Speaker 1: like that she acknowledges that, and that the movie addresses it.
34:10
Speaker 1: Isn't the most poignant thing ever, No, but they do it. Yeah,
34:16
Speaker 1: they do it. I remember when I was a kid too.
34:17
Speaker 1: That really stuck out to me because it was like
34:19
Speaker 1: the only felt like the only point in the movie
34:21
Speaker 1: that was like legitimately serious, like I didn't fully understand
34:24
Speaker 1: what it was there getting it. I also didn't even
34:26
Speaker 1: know that she mouthed the word bitch. I was like,
34:28
Speaker 1: what's what's she's saying. But because it does, like it
34:31
Speaker 1: does get serious and he visibly seems a comfortable. I
34:34
Speaker 1: think he feels bad for thinking she's uptight, but having
34:36
Speaker 1: her talk about that, like she felt like she had
34:38
Speaker 1: to become this ubtype version and couldn't really balance both
34:41
Speaker 1: because most movies will have a role very similar to hers,
34:44
Speaker 1: where it's like the Boss, she's a shrew, she's very uptight,
34:47
Speaker 1: and we only see her in that role. We never
34:49
Speaker 1: see her like that moment be like, yeah, I know
34:53
Speaker 1: that I've become this I didn't ever want to be
34:55
Speaker 1: this person, but this is who I had to become
34:57
Speaker 1: to be respected in this role. Yeah, that's that's a
35:01
Speaker 1: great point. First of all, junk fucking rules, every line
35:06
Speaker 1: read she gives in this movie is the best line read.
35:10
Speaker 1: I wonder how I feel like she never had to
35:11
Speaker 1: do a second take. She she also has like really
35:13
Speaker 1: good off I think lines that she came up with
35:16
Speaker 1: her improv stuff that's seen in the teacher's lounge where
35:19
Speaker 1: they're like after she stops giving her speech and Jack lexical.
35:22
Speaker 1: She always like that they like pan to her with
35:24
Speaker 1: their conversation. The main one has been in the background,
35:27
Speaker 1: She's like, and then the turkey sand which just touched
35:29
Speaker 1: the people. You know, this is a big deal, and
35:32
Speaker 1: I'm like, Joan killing it. There's serious and the way
35:39
Speaker 1: she's like always like a little bit hunched over. She's like,
35:42
Speaker 1: I know she she does really good pers lips always,
35:45
Speaker 1: especially when you drinking that beer or like sipping it.
35:49
Speaker 1: She's really allowed to Joane out, which is like, so
35:52
Speaker 1: it's so good. I also appreciate that the story does
35:56
Speaker 1: not push her and Dewey together romantic maybe a little bit,
36:01
Speaker 1: but for the most part, I think it's mostly a
36:03
Speaker 1: friendship where even at one point she asks if he'll
36:07
Speaker 1: go to parents knight with her, because she's like, it's
36:10
Speaker 1: not a date or anything. I just like being around
36:12
Speaker 1: you makes me feel more comfortable, which is friendship. And
36:16
Speaker 1: I don't think she really necessarily has the vocabulary for
36:19
Speaker 1: friendship unfortunately, but like it would have been another super
36:23
Speaker 1: easy choice for this movie to be like and then
36:25
Speaker 1: totally the uptight principle and cool think in like sort
36:30
Speaker 1: of pervert institute teacher Meg Love and having it phrase
36:35
Speaker 1: too and a wait where like that absolutely could have happened,
36:37
Speaker 1: Especially then I feel like that steals whatever progress she's
36:40
Speaker 1: made as being something that he showed her how to
36:42
Speaker 1: do instead of her just like realizing she doesn't have
36:45
Speaker 1: to be that way. She doesn't, right, and and yeah,
36:47
Speaker 1: it's like she by the end, she's not doing I mean,
36:50
Speaker 1: I guess she's maybe doing a little bit less of
36:52
Speaker 1: a good job and that she's endorsing the school of Rock.
36:55
Speaker 1: But also it's like she doesn't really have to sacrifice anything,
36:59
Speaker 1: I feel the way a lot of female characters have
37:02
Speaker 1: to where she does her job throughout, including the greatest
37:07
Speaker 1: line read ever of I've just been informed that your
37:11
Speaker 1: kids are missing shrug, so good. But she doesn't really
37:17
Speaker 1: like nothing is taken from her, which was also refreshing.
37:21
Speaker 1: Is she continues, you know, we assume she continues to
37:23
Speaker 1: have her job. It's implied at the end that maybe
37:25
Speaker 1: she's going to hook up with the new guitarist wearing
37:27
Speaker 1: the half leather jack the most comfortable like every time.
37:32
Speaker 1: Every time watches, I like have to look away. I
37:35
Speaker 1: can't sit it's like too too much, uncomfortable because it's hot,
37:39
Speaker 1: and she's like, there's more tattoo. It's awful every bit.
37:46
Speaker 1: But again, it's like she is at first glance of
37:49
Speaker 1: a shrewish character, but for me that is subverted enough
37:55
Speaker 1: through the story and actually giving her character some attention
38:00
Speaker 1: and an arc of I feel like her arc is
38:03
Speaker 1: she realizes she doesn't need to be I mean, and
38:08
Speaker 1: I guess this does speak to the truth, like you
38:10
Speaker 1: don't have to be so fucking uptight. But I think
38:13
Speaker 1: she like, in the context of this character, she realizes
38:16
Speaker 1: she can be more herself and still be very good
38:18
Speaker 1: at her job. And this is a sort of a
38:22
Speaker 1: male impose, but like you can like Fleetwood Mac and
38:26
Speaker 1: be a good private school principle, which is, you know,
38:30
Speaker 1: it's not the perfect lesson, but I like it. It
38:33
Speaker 1: worked for me. Yeah, I mean, she's sort of adhering
38:36
Speaker 1: to this, like society's rules dictate that I have to
38:40
Speaker 1: be this very uptight, especially because it's like the private
38:43
Speaker 1: school sector. These kids parents are paying fifteen thousand dollars
38:47
Speaker 1: a year for them to pretend which actually is not
38:49
Speaker 1: that much. I was like staring considering college. Well that
38:53
Speaker 1: and I've known of like private elementary or maybe it
38:56
Speaker 1: was high schools. I don't know, but that ship costs
38:58
Speaker 1: so much money. Three baby true, Lucy goofy. I almost
39:05
Speaker 1: said pre nine eleven it wasn't it was, but it
39:09
Speaker 1: was first well first, second bush Admin first half of
39:15
Speaker 1: the sec different was weird. I did want to bring
39:20
Speaker 1: up that this movie comes out just at at the
39:23
Speaker 1: sort of as the man Child trope is really taken off,
39:27
Speaker 1: and it's going to stick with us till this fucking
39:29
Speaker 1: day seth Rogan is still around, He's still alive. Did
39:33
Speaker 1: you know no one's harpooned him yet? That's always going
39:37
Speaker 1: to go. This is he. I'm gonna harpoon him. I've
39:42
Speaker 1: threatened to do it before. Uh. I hate the man
39:46
Speaker 1: child trope, but in this again, this movie is a
39:48
Speaker 1: big fat exception where it just works. I don't know
39:52
Speaker 1: it why, I think that that's that's what it is.
39:55
Speaker 1: It's the man child surrounded by literal children, and I
39:59
Speaker 1: can't handle that many children in a movie, which is fair,
40:02
Speaker 1: I did. I did want to bring that up because
40:04
Speaker 1: that is a huge pet peeve of mine that again
40:06
Speaker 1: in this movie just gets a full pass and I
40:09
Speaker 1: openly love him. Let's talk about the female students. Can
40:14
Speaker 1: we talk about Tamkas Like by far, I always think
40:17
Speaker 1: she's the best character in this whole movie. I think
40:19
Speaker 1: so too. So she's the student who he calls turkey suboriginally,
40:24
Speaker 1: which I thought was because she was heavy, but it's
40:26
Speaker 1: because he takes a turkey sub out of her desk
40:28
Speaker 1: the first day steals and for so long I was like,
40:31
Speaker 1: this is my biggest complaint with this movie. Why are
40:33
Speaker 1: you fat shaming this wonderful girl. But also the movie
40:36
Speaker 1: made the choice to have her be the only character
40:38
Speaker 1: with food in her desk, so that or that was
40:42
Speaker 1: like willing to share it true. Maybe she's just a
40:44
Speaker 1: very generous person. She's great, Yeah, she's great. He does
40:49
Speaker 1: take your turkey step. Yeah, So with her, the fact
40:52
Speaker 1: that like she's very quiet gets a sign I think
40:54
Speaker 1: security as a job. And then comes up to him
40:57
Speaker 1: after and it's like, actually want to be a singer
40:58
Speaker 1: and it is too afraid saying and stuff, and then
41:00
Speaker 1: overcomes that sings has like an incredible voice, and it's
41:04
Speaker 1: just like that scene before I think it's the auditions
41:07
Speaker 1: for the Battle of the Bands where she gets too
41:10
Speaker 1: nervous and pulls him aside. I go back to all
41:13
Speaker 1: the time, and every time I watch it, I feel
41:14
Speaker 1: like the older I've gotten, the more I appreciate the
41:16
Speaker 1: language in that scene, because she says that she's too
41:18
Speaker 1: nervous to sing, and he asked why, and she says,
41:20
Speaker 1: I'm afraid they're gonna laugh at me, that they're gonna
41:22
Speaker 1: call me fat, and he says, like to me, because
41:24
Speaker 1: that's not a problem, and like he it's just the
41:27
Speaker 1: wording is like he never actually says like you're not overweight,
41:31
Speaker 1: or like you're not because she is a bit heavier.
41:33
Speaker 1: And he also isn't like you can go on a
41:36
Speaker 1: diet or like try to make her feel like there's
41:38
Speaker 1: other options. He just says, like, what you want to
41:40
Speaker 1: do is what you want to do, and being fat
41:41
Speaker 1: isn't that's not equivalent to being ugly. And there's like
41:45
Speaker 1: so much throughout all of that, and he goes and says, like,
41:47
Speaker 1: you know, Aretha Franklin, she's a big lady, but she
41:49
Speaker 1: doesn't safe she can sing. Everyone wants to party with
41:52
Speaker 1: Aretha possible, And then he's like, and you know me,
41:57
Speaker 1: like I have a way to shoe too. She asked
41:59
Speaker 1: why he does go on a diet, and he just says,
42:01
Speaker 1: because I like to eat. Is that a problem, and
42:04
Speaker 1: then goes on to say like, but then people worship
42:06
Speaker 1: me and like accept me when I'm up there, and
42:08
Speaker 1: then just basically says like you can sing if you
42:10
Speaker 1: want to, but it's up to you. And the fact
42:11
Speaker 1: that he's not like, you're not I promise, let's just
42:13
Speaker 1: do this, and that it's still up to her to
42:15
Speaker 1: decide and they're choice, and that I just like, it's
42:18
Speaker 1: always so like Rewatching, it warms warms my little heart.
42:22
Speaker 1: It's a great I mean, like the fact that he
42:24
Speaker 1: doesn't shame where that he's like, it's okay to eat
42:26
Speaker 1: or be overweight as long as you're comfortable with yourself.
42:29
Speaker 1: I'm just like, wow, especially, I feel like movies of
42:31
Speaker 1: that time are so bad that when I go back
42:34
Speaker 1: to Rewatch well and Richard Linkletter, movies are historically pretty bad.
42:38
Speaker 1: With that, I mean, this is written by Mike White,
42:40
Speaker 1: so good, good guy, the Blonde Eyelash to God we
42:48
Speaker 1: know as Mike White, but you're totally right, like as
42:52
Speaker 1: I've gotten older and watched that scene. It is kind
42:54
Speaker 1: of remarkable how it holds up pretty much like the
43:00
Speaker 1: way and Tamika is just cool, like she's fucking cool
43:03
Speaker 1: and so talented, and she wearing her Avril Levina. Everyone
43:07
Speaker 1: looks like blank money d two or all of those
43:10
Speaker 1: hair pieces that are bright pink that I always wish
43:13
Speaker 1: I had, but I was not cool enough, But then
43:15
Speaker 1: I learned I was. I just had to believe you
43:18
Speaker 1: were just like Lawrence Exac. Well, that's I wanted to
43:23
Speaker 1: talk about the kid, because, um, the kid, the kid.
43:26
Speaker 1: Um all all of the story treats. There's like two
43:31
Speaker 1: male students that have arcs, and then two female students
43:34
Speaker 1: that have arcs, and then the rest are kind of tertiary,
43:36
Speaker 1: which is fine, they're not all going to have an ARC.
43:38
Speaker 1: But I did like that sort of regardless of gender,
43:41
Speaker 1: all the students were treated with either respect or not respect,
43:46
Speaker 1: depending where we're at in the movie by Dewey, which
43:50
Speaker 1: I think is a testament to even though he's a
43:52
Speaker 1: you know, man child character, he is respectful of the
43:56
Speaker 1: students and really does listen to them, and there's like
43:59
Speaker 1: scenes where he's collaborating with them and treating them to
44:05
Speaker 1: songs or when my favorite part where they're collaborating words
44:09
Speaker 1: were in Zack and Zack song and Zacks sacrete song
44:12
Speaker 1: where rock is the reason, rock is the rhyme and
44:15
Speaker 1: he's like, no, no, no, rock, got no reason, rock,
44:17
Speaker 1: got no rock. I'm like, you guys are just fucking pals.
44:21
Speaker 1: I love it. But and then he says to right
44:24
Speaker 1: after that, because he's like suggests that in Zach like okay,
44:26
Speaker 1: because they all have been taught. I mean their parents
44:28
Speaker 1: are all like super strict and terrifying, especially his. And
44:31
Speaker 1: then he's like, well, no, no, no, like it's a suggestion,
44:34
Speaker 1: this is your song. Like it's just like so I'm like, wow,
44:38
Speaker 1: you respect children? Who does not enough people were changing
44:44
Speaker 1: the lyrics. Sorry, Like but like seeing that when you're
44:48
Speaker 1: probably again like seeing that when you're like eleven, You're
44:51
Speaker 1: just like yeah. And when he does that whole song
44:53
Speaker 1: of like teaching them to basically like flip off whatever
44:56
Speaker 1: stress of yeah, and it's like what, here's you? And
45:00
Speaker 1: then I for her name, the brace face girl says
45:03
Speaker 1: homework and then the adorable like smallest child of the
45:07
Speaker 1: bunch is just like bullies. You're like you're just like,
45:13
Speaker 1: there's a whole other movie here. I think what bothered
45:17
Speaker 1: me about the dynamic of the band at least is
45:21
Speaker 1: that all the main parts of the band, which is
45:25
Speaker 1: Zach gets lean guitar, Lawrence gets keyboard. Who's the drummer,
45:33
Speaker 1: little little like burn stuff, the little road, what do
45:38
Speaker 1: you like to do your time stuff? She's like, okay,
45:41
Speaker 1: reasons forever, sorry, okay. And then there's the bass player
45:46
Speaker 1: who Katie. So she a great day for everyone. She's
45:54
Speaker 1: pretty much the only because you can the backup vocals,
45:59
Speaker 1: they're kind of backups. So if we're just like isolating
46:02
Speaker 1: the main members, the frontman of the band, we only
46:05
Speaker 1: have one girl. She gets very little lines of dialogue
46:12
Speaker 1: of screen time. Weirdly enough, her main moment is and
46:17
Speaker 1: I know, you know, is the exchange she has with
46:20
Speaker 1: Freddie A k Spazie McGhee white about Meg White. Yeah,
46:24
Speaker 1: like two good female drummers, and then she, I mean
46:29
Speaker 1: she names at least one good female. I'm not a
46:31
Speaker 1: huge Meg White. That's also know, that's something that like
46:37
Speaker 1: there's so many drummers like I credited who have simple beats,
46:40
Speaker 1: who just like do what she is doing and she's
46:42
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing who get credited as like being
46:46
Speaker 1: like Ringo. Everyone always makes jokes about how he's not
46:48
Speaker 1: a super intricate drummer or anything, but like she has
46:51
Speaker 1: a simple part if you play drums every day and
46:53
Speaker 1: going tour all the time, like she can play. She
46:55
Speaker 1: can do stuff beyond that, but that's just her role.
46:57
Speaker 1: And people always like, I don't know, there was a
46:59
Speaker 1: really good, really really good piece on Meg White, and
47:03
Speaker 1: like how she doesn't get the respect she's deserved and
47:04
Speaker 1: has always been like the butt of the joke on
47:07
Speaker 1: Hazel It maybe okay, I have to look it up,
47:10
Speaker 1: but like so when she names those people and does
47:12
Speaker 1: like she even white from the White stripes, and he's like,
47:14
Speaker 1: she can't drum, she's better drummer than you. That that
47:18
Speaker 1: I mean, that was a great yeah, especially because like
47:20
Speaker 1: I feel, I feel like it's like trying to balance it.
47:22
Speaker 1: But she I've always been under the impression that Katie
47:26
Speaker 1: doesn't talk because she didn't want to. I think when
47:28
Speaker 1: the they had rehearsals, which I also like to be
47:32
Speaker 1: idealist and think like they didn't have a lot of
47:34
Speaker 1: girls I like try out for the other parts. Maybe
47:36
Speaker 1: they did. I don't know, they're still I'm sure sexism
47:39
Speaker 1: that comes into play there in terms of who you choose,
47:41
Speaker 1: But I think they chose her because she was really
47:43
Speaker 1: good at base and she didn't want to talk, because
47:45
Speaker 1: even when Jack Black is telling her how to do
47:47
Speaker 1: those like big poofy lips and stuff, she doesn't I'm
47:50
Speaker 1: pretty sure she doesn't talk at all during that. She's
47:53
Speaker 1: not even like okay, like no like one syllable words
47:56
Speaker 1: or anything. And at the end she's the only one
47:59
Speaker 1: in the credit who doesn't solo, and you can tell
48:02
Speaker 1: because of editing. I think either she did or she
48:04
Speaker 1: didn't because she gets scared on camera. She's also clearly
48:08
Speaker 1: still does music. But I think she was someone who
48:12
Speaker 1: was like wanted to play and do this, and they
48:13
Speaker 1: wanted to have her, and I think we're almost or
48:16
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it seems like they were like,
48:18
Speaker 1: we care enough about having you that it's okay if
48:19
Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of lines, because she has
48:22
Speaker 1: a lot of the iconic stuff with like the cello,
48:24
Speaker 1: that she could have been more involved in, but she
48:26
Speaker 1: just like always looks terrified. Yeah, then make the keyboard
48:31
Speaker 1: player a girl, or like I don't know, They're just
48:33
Speaker 1: there were more opportunities to have more of like the
48:36
Speaker 1: main band be one of those characters, were more than
48:40
Speaker 1: one be a girl and with lines and an arc
48:45
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I mean that said three, if
48:47
Speaker 1: you're not including Jack Black, three of the four main
48:49
Speaker 1: people are white. Lawrence is the only one who's a
48:51
Speaker 1: person of color. Like that's something else too that I rewatching.
48:55
Speaker 1: Feel like their class is more diverse than like I
48:58
Speaker 1: feel like for a private school, way more diverse than
49:00
Speaker 1: what imagined it would be. Right, Yeah, in terms of casting, right,
49:04
Speaker 1: I agree in terms of the band, but in terms
49:06
Speaker 1: of the class as a whole, we do get two
49:09
Speaker 1: male student arcs, two female student arcs, with the female
49:12
Speaker 1: student arts are Tamika and Summer. The male student arcs
49:15
Speaker 1: are Zack and Lawrence. So in that way it kind
49:20
Speaker 1: of I agree in terms of like musical representation, but
49:23
Speaker 1: in terms of the story I felt pretty good watching
49:26
Speaker 1: at this time of Like, Summer does get her arc
49:29
Speaker 1: of She's the Little Shrew basically, and is originally presented
49:35
Speaker 1: as an annoyance and a foil to Jack Black trying
49:37
Speaker 1: to teachers. Yeah, but by the end he's like she's
49:42
Speaker 1: going to be the first female president, which still could
49:44
Speaker 1: be true. Yeah, go for it, Miranda, we loved you,
49:50
Speaker 1: and Drake and Josh we loved you, and I Carle
49:53
Speaker 1: time to become the president, and I feel like they
49:56
Speaker 1: try given time limit too, because they probably could have
49:59
Speaker 1: gone longer. A lot of the montages try to show
50:01
Speaker 1: I mean, as any film does, growth between people. But
50:04
Speaker 1: I really like that they show Gordon Gordon, Lizzie McGuire,
50:08
Speaker 1: the Gordo, the little boy, the light handles, the lights
50:12
Speaker 1: and like technology stuff because they during their like the
50:15
Speaker 1: final Battle of the Band scene too, they show him
50:18
Speaker 1: and like his work often and from his perspective. Also,
50:21
Speaker 1: the person watching him is a female light technician and
50:24
Speaker 1: not or like stage hand person and not a boy,
50:27
Speaker 1: which like if you think of like on stage representation
50:30
Speaker 1: offstage is like way less music industry. So I was like, wow,
50:34
Speaker 1: that's nice and like not what I thought it would
50:37
Speaker 1: be when I noticed that later in life. So I
50:39
Speaker 1: like that they show his stuff and like actually give
50:41
Speaker 1: it credit. They just like credit kids is being smart
50:43
Speaker 1: and capable of learning a lot, which is a it's
50:46
Speaker 1: a pretty true yeah, and the good kids can't learn.
50:52
Speaker 1: It was a waste of time and like, one of
50:54
Speaker 1: the best and most exciting things I've seen this movie
50:57
Speaker 1: when You're a kid is being like I'm a kid
50:59
Speaker 1: and I can do stuff. That's my representation is so important.
51:04
Speaker 1: That's why we's gonna say, and also a better representation
51:11
Speaker 1: of women. Um does this movie pass the Backtel tests? Yes,
51:18
Speaker 1: Yes it does. What where although do we know that
51:24
Speaker 1: teacher's name? Where? Um, the principal is talking to a
51:28
Speaker 1: lady teacher and she's like, don't have the peanut butter
51:31
Speaker 1: sandwich the other sandwiches. That scene does not pass. At
51:36
Speaker 1: least there are two women interacting. Yes, it does. It
51:39
Speaker 1: does have it doesn't happen as much as it should.
51:41
Speaker 1: There's no scene Sarah Silverman is in that I saw
51:44
Speaker 1: that passes the Bactel test. Unfortunate, but there are So
51:49
Speaker 1: there's a scene between John Cusack and a child where
51:52
Speaker 1: she's yelling at the child but also like do you
51:54
Speaker 1: want to hug and she's like no, and then she's like, Okay,
51:58
Speaker 1: have a good day, Emily. That passes the test. Uh.
52:02
Speaker 1: And then there's a scene right after that. I think
52:04
Speaker 1: that it does pass because I think she's talking to
52:06
Speaker 1: one of the teachers, who we learned has a name
52:08
Speaker 1: in a previous scene even though I don't remember it.
52:10
Speaker 1: After that leaves the school, yeah, where she's like, she's like, yeah,
52:14
Speaker 1: the teachers slipped, but we've got a substitute, and so
52:17
Speaker 1: she's technically talking about it, just like talking about her
52:20
Speaker 1: tub because it's about him filling in and explaining what
52:23
Speaker 1: he does. Either way, it already passes. But there are
52:30
Speaker 1: so many opportunities for like the three backup singers who
52:33
Speaker 1: were all girls, to be like, hey, I like to
52:36
Speaker 1: sing me too, Like they could have talked. There could
52:39
Speaker 1: have been there's there are more opportunities that were missed,
52:42
Speaker 1: especially imagine just like natural conversation that would have occurred
52:46
Speaker 1: that would have been relevant between everyone summer as the
52:48
Speaker 1: band manager was controlled, like you know, had jurisdiction over everybody,
52:53
Speaker 1: she could have talked to the backup singers, she could
52:55
Speaker 1: have talked to the bass player, all kinds of people.
52:58
Speaker 1: But we don't see any of those scenes. So let's
53:01
Speaker 1: all give School of Rock a nipple rating on our
53:06
Speaker 1: famous nipple rating scale. And this is not how much
53:09
Speaker 1: you liked the movie, but how well you think it
53:11
Speaker 1: treats women on a scale of one to five and
53:13
Speaker 1: then we're going to need some description to those nips.
53:16
Speaker 1: I'm going to give this movie a three and a
53:19
Speaker 1: half nipples because Richard Lingler in a hole. I give
53:25
Speaker 1: him a punch in the mouth. As of right now,
53:27
Speaker 1: that interview really bothered me. But this movie, uh, the
53:30
Speaker 1: shrew problem is almost entirely responsible for why I'm gonna
53:35
Speaker 1: knock off points, and I think of us really being honest.
53:37
Speaker 1: It's more of a three three and a half though.
53:39
Speaker 1: The shrewd the shrewdestness, especially of the Sarah Silverman character,
53:42
Speaker 1: which is like a double punch in the gut because
53:44
Speaker 1: it's like, don't do that to Sarah fucking Silverman, are
53:46
Speaker 1: you kidding? Every scene she's in she's like right, So
53:50
Speaker 1: that's not fair. Um. But we do see growth in
53:55
Speaker 1: our main female character, principal Rosalie Mullins played by Joan
53:59
Speaker 1: Joan Out. I appreciate that they sort of take a
54:03
Speaker 1: stereotype and, whether intentionally or not, at least subvert it
54:07
Speaker 1: to Mika Amazing summer has. You know, she has an arc.
54:13
Speaker 1: She goes on to become my Carly. It's all good.
54:16
Speaker 1: I'm giving the nipples too. I'm giving two of them
54:19
Speaker 1: to Adam Pascal because he's gonna need them. He's going
54:22
Speaker 1: to film rent for two thousand and five. He's busy.
54:25
Speaker 1: He's gonna need those nipples. I'm not gonna take them
54:27
Speaker 1: away from him. I'm assuming that whoever we don't give
54:29
Speaker 1: nipples two ceases to have them. I'm giving one blonde
54:33
Speaker 1: nipple to Mike White, very pale, and then I'm giving
54:40
Speaker 1: the last half a nipple just busy McGhee. Okay, yeah,
54:44
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with four. I went in originally thinking more,
54:47
Speaker 1: but then hearing a lot of your thoughts about it
54:49
Speaker 1: made me change my mind, which makes sense because Sarah
54:52
Speaker 1: Silverman really doesn't at all, which is the one that
54:54
Speaker 1: I knew ahead. But then Joe and I feel like
54:56
Speaker 1: I always thought of her more as changing, but there
54:58
Speaker 1: often isn't because the blind she had there in the background.
55:01
Speaker 1: But is it? I like, want to give it to
55:03
Speaker 1: kids as an award, but then I'm also like, no,
55:06
Speaker 1: that's wrong. This is the same space. Give the children nipples,
55:09
Speaker 1: they need them, humanity will cease to be Oh we milk.
55:17
Speaker 1: It feels too weird, So I'm not going to I'm
55:19
Speaker 1: gonna give it to one to Jack Black's ex bandmate
55:22
Speaker 1: who was in Once because my mom loves that musical.
55:26
Speaker 1: Shout out to that guy. I'm gonna give one to Know.
55:29
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give two to that woman who works behind
55:31
Speaker 1: the board, the sound board about all of the band's
55:33
Speaker 1: respect her. And then I'll give one to Joan. She
55:37
Speaker 1: deserves it, she deserves it, She's worked hard. I'm gonna
55:42
Speaker 1: give it two and a half nipples. I'm sorry, but
55:46
Speaker 1: it's still largely fine a man's movie. Jack Black steals
55:52
Speaker 1: the show, and by that and he's given the show,
55:55
Speaker 1: he steals. Its written for him. It's a show and
56:00
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of his interactions are with
56:04
Speaker 1: other boys in the band, so it's still a very
56:07
Speaker 1: male heavy movie. The female characters that there are, as
56:11
Speaker 1: we pointed out, are often very like uptight, high strung
56:17
Speaker 1: so and then of the ones who are turtle like vibe.
56:20
Speaker 1: Of the ones who aren't barely get any screen time
56:23
Speaker 1: to make a great character. I love her. She doesn't
56:26
Speaker 1: get a ton of screen time or lines, doesn't play
56:29
Speaker 1: a huge role in the story as tender and wonderful
56:31
Speaker 1: as her scene is where she's like, I'm afraid people
56:33
Speaker 1: are gonna laugh at me because I'm fat, Sarah Soloman,
56:36
Speaker 1: Summer Principal, John Cusack. They're all like um, which is fine.
56:42
Speaker 1: There are people like that. That's totally cool. But let's
56:45
Speaker 1: see a broader representation of women. There are other types
56:47
Speaker 1: of women like me, wretched but also cool anyway, So
56:54
Speaker 1: I give it two and a half nipples. They belong
56:56
Speaker 1: to Jack Black, the nipples that we see that the
57:00
Speaker 1: children also see. And then a half nupple goes to
57:04
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Julie Depley from Before Sunrise cool because
57:08
Speaker 1: we see her nipples in Before Midnight. Actually, so that's
57:12
Speaker 1: the half nipple. Do you everything? Jack Black and Jack
57:15
Speaker 1: White hang out anyways every day. Thank you so much.
57:19
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57:22
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57:25
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57:35
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57:43
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Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be. It's gonna be a hip and
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Speaker 1: a hop in a fun time. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for looking.
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Speaker 1: Just punched the water wattle. Okay, gotta go.