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#2176 Transhumanism - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get it. Tell him it's Harps and Patrick. That's right,
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  Speaker 1: just Harps, just Patrick, No Tiffany and Cook. Because it's
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  Speaker 1: a Sunday and she's triple time on a Sunday, and
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  Speaker 1: just quite frankly, I can't afford it. We're saving up
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  Speaker 1: for one Sunday, but it won't be this Sunday. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm being silly. Of course, she's busy, probably with her betrothed,
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  Speaker 1: her beloved, the man of her dream speaking of the
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  Speaker 1: man of dreams, the man of my dreams has shown up.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, handsome.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, does that mean I get triple time today?
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  Speaker 2: You get? You get what you normally get times three
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  Speaker 2: this week. You are so welcome.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good thing you're a mathematician. I do need
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  Speaker 1: to point out to our listeners who can't see you,
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  Speaker 1: which is all of them, that you are wearing probably
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  Speaker 1: the cleanest pair of overalls I've ever seen. Not clean, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they're dirty.
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  Speaker 2: Down well, can you I? Well, that was a lot,
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  Speaker 2: that's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even want to say it. I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to say it. All right, So, but they look very new?
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  Speaker 1: Are they new today? No? No, no, they're not new today.
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  Speaker 3: And I may have thrust the lower part of my
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  Speaker 3: overalls to the camera.
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  Speaker 1: It's just so crazy. I got a overall covered cock
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  Speaker 1: right in front of the camera lens. So I can't
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  Speaker 1: say I needed that, but I have it. So that's
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  Speaker 1: in the memory bank. Not to be confused with this
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  Speaker 1: bank bank. But anyway, Patrick, how are you? How is
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  Speaker 1: your Sunday?
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  Speaker 3: I am so glad to have had an excuse. Manual
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  Speaker 3: Labor was a Mexican Unionist.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, you're ano, Yes, so you've been out working like
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  Speaker 1: a grown up man, like a proper man. Can people
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  Speaker 1: not send me? You know, I'm so scared these days
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  Speaker 1: of saying, oh, what do you mean a proper man?
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  Speaker 1: It's like, dude, do you not.
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  Speaker 2: Understand humor or context? Or definitely don't listen to me.
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  Speaker 3: These are not the hands of someone who normally splits
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  Speaker 3: wood and wield that.
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  Speaker 1: You're either yeah, you're either a surgeon or somebody who
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  Speaker 1: lives on a computer.
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  Speaker 2: How did you go though being a big manny man?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, it's not too bad. He's doing good made
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  Speaker 3: of mine, he he. It's one of those jobs where
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  Speaker 3: he had a limb of quite a large gum tree
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  Speaker 3: cut into pieces. But even the segments are so heavy
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  Speaker 3: you've got to roll them towards the splitter. So a
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  Speaker 3: second set of hands makes life a lot easier.
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  Speaker 1: So so you didn't split the logs, you used a machine.
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  Speaker 1: We're using a splitter, hydraulic splitter. Listen, we're using hydraulics.
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  Speaker 1: But like you even fucking knew what that was on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: don't come in here and talk like a lumberjack all night,
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  Speaker 1: work all day.
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  Speaker 2: That was a very can I tell you something very funny?
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  Speaker 2: You were like this. So I went to the g
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  Speaker 2: this morning. I just actually had to meet someone and
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  Speaker 2: help someone with something. But at seven hundred, so quite
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  Speaker 2: a rude hour to be at the gym.
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  Speaker 1: I was driving back down South Road and these two
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  Speaker 1: alpha malely you know, like big strong, fucking both over
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  Speaker 1: six foot, both look like I'm just happened to be
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  Speaker 1: almost like replicas of each other, walking in opposite directions
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  Speaker 1: on the South Road with spoodles. Right, So one had
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  Speaker 1: a white spoondle and one add like a yellowy gold spoodle,
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  Speaker 1: and they both of them look quite capable of doing
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  Speaker 1: the front door of any pub in Melbourne on a
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  Speaker 1: Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, So the.
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  Speaker 1: Leads are quite long, I don't know, four or five meters,
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  Speaker 1: and the dogs are walking way out in front, and
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  Speaker 1: then the dudes so that the dogs, I'm doing a
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  Speaker 1: kind of a physical display here for PAPIs representation. Thank you, yes,
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  Speaker 1: thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And the dogs get to each other and.
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  Speaker 1: The dogs are like long lost friends and they're kissing
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  Speaker 1: and they're cuddling and they're jumping on each other, and
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  Speaker 1: the dudes are like, fucking hell, what get off you fucking.
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  Speaker 2: It, you know, just like the dudes are like, but
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  Speaker 2: the dogs.
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  Speaker 1: Were having such a good time. They were just all
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  Speaker 1: about the love. And then finally the two alphas catch
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  Speaker 1: up and I'm sure they're lovely men, and they're both
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  Speaker 1: just kind of standing there awkwardly while their dogs were
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  Speaker 1: being passionate on South Road, not inappropriately, and then one
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  Speaker 1: of them just started laughing and the other one started laughing,
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  Speaker 1: and then they just started talking, and I went there,
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  Speaker 1: I've just seen two new friendships evolve in twenty seconds
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  Speaker 1: on my way home. But they didn't know at the start,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't know what to do, so their dogs are
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  Speaker 1: just so that was my little bit of moment of
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  Speaker 1: canine pleasure this morning.
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  Speaker 3: Oh lovely, I got to say, when I see an
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  Speaker 3: unfamiliar dog walking past, I would never use a long lead.
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  Speaker 3: I'd bring Fritzy right next to me, just to suss
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  Speaker 3: out the other person's dog.
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  Speaker 2: First Richie ever been given a hard time.
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  Speaker 3: We had a real scare about a month ago.
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  Speaker 1: We were at a.
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  Speaker 3: Festival thing called spud Fest in Trentham.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we mustn't have mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: This, so Fritz was It was very hectic and we
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  Speaker 3: were sitting at a cafe with some friends. These are
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  Speaker 3: my Hampton friends, and Fritz was on my lap because
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  Speaker 3: there was so much traffic around and lots of dogs,
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  Speaker 3: so he was facing away from the thoroughfare and suddenly
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  Speaker 3: this giant, big, enormous dog jumped up and tried to
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  Speaker 3: grab him from behind, literally jaws open, went to grab him,
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  Speaker 3: and I kind of wrenched him out the way, and
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  Speaker 3: the woman kind of just said, ah, she's never done
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  Speaker 3: that before and kept walking. And then I looked at
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  Speaker 3: my thumb and I had blood on my thumb and
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  Speaker 3: the dog had nipped his ear, So that was a
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  Speaker 3: real scary thing. But he hadn't even looked at it.
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  Speaker 3: Neither of us had seen the dog coming, so that's
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  Speaker 3: kind of scary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's from out of nowhere. You don't expect that.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder anyway, dogs you never know. Usually they're pretty
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  Speaker 1: good though.
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  Speaker 2: How have you been?
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  Speaker 1: What is new?
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  Speaker 2: What is going on up in the woods.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you know, it's pretty chill. Just kind of move
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  Speaker 3: it along with life, the universe and everything. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you kind of get to the winter, not the wind blues,
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  Speaker 3: but it gets pretty cold here and it literally kind
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  Speaker 3: of clicked over to winter and the temperature dropped about
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  Speaker 3: ten degrees.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because on June one, which
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  Speaker 1: was whatever it was, Monday, I think, yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 1: when and now it's winter. Like it literally went from
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  Speaker 1: kind of nice to cold as fuck on Monday, June one,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm sure is a coincidence, but nonetheless it was
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  Speaker 1: a stark contrast to the day before. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about our stuff. We'll start with medical and health innovations.
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  Speaker 1: The reason I'm doing that is because it's on the
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  Speaker 1: top of the list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.
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  Speaker 1: Scientists turn wool really into bat into bone healing material
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  Speaker 1: in medical breakthrough That is quite so. They use wool
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  Speaker 1: with a medical application. Do tell Patrick well, wool.
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  Speaker 3: Has keratin in it, so it's a structural protein and
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  Speaker 3: it comes in you know, nails have them as well.
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  Speaker 3: All that sort of stuff here has them, if you've
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  Speaker 3: got hair. Anyway, what they've worked out is they can
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  Speaker 3: extract the keratin from wool. It's researchers at the King's
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  Speaker 3: College in London, and it means that they can generate
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  Speaker 3: this kind of a structure that they can knit with bone.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're having say.
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  Speaker 3: Dental implants, and they drill out a space to then
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  Speaker 3: put the implant in, they need to put something in
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  Speaker 3: for the bone, the bone to net to to mesh too,
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  Speaker 3: and it's expensive and it can go wrong. Whereas what
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  Speaker 3: the found is this is wall derived. It's cheaper. It
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  Speaker 3: sounds like it's even more effective. So if you're doing
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  Speaker 3: any sort of grafting that involves bone trying to net
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  Speaker 3: and to repair, this sounds like it's going to be really,
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  Speaker 3: really beneficial. And we've got a lot of sheep in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Well Australia and our counterparts to the right or as
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  Speaker 1: someone say, the East, the other state. Yes, yeah, lor
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  Speaker 1: than people. Oh, I don't think that'd like that. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder if anyone in New Zealand, let me know, would
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  Speaker 1: anyone in New Zealand like to become part of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking the answer to that is no.
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  Speaker 3: I thought during Federation New Zealand is actually named as
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  Speaker 3: an additional state in the official documents.
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  Speaker 1: Well never stuck anyway, did it.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't stick a lot of we friends, and let's
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  Speaker 3: face it, there are a lot of them over here.
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  Speaker 1: Before i'd been to New Zealand, I didn't really get obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but how beautiful it was. And maybe I've just been
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  Speaker 1: to them. Although I have been to Auckland, which is
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  Speaker 1: not the most glorious city. It's nice enough though, it's
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  Speaker 1: a cosmopolitan enough. But when you go down around Queenstown
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  Speaker 1: and the likes in those areas, gee, whizzy, Patrick, ge wizzy,
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  Speaker 1: that shit's going to take your breath away.
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  Speaker 2: Have you been or stayed in Queenstown.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't stayed in Queenstown. I visited for an evening,
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  Speaker 3: had dinner in Queenstown. So I did an adventure holiday
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  Speaker 3: many years ago, and sixteen day adventure holiday with everything
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  Speaker 3: that had in at the end of it, jetboating, skydiving, paragliding,
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  Speaker 3: rock climbing, cycling, hiking, you name it. It was one
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  Speaker 3: of those I'm going to go all out and it
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  Speaker 3: was so much fun. In fact, I had so much
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  Speaker 3: fun paragliding that I went back three months later and
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  Speaker 3: bought a paraglider and got my license. This is a
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  Speaker 3: paraglider cost I think at the time. I bought a
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  Speaker 3: secondhand paraglide. It cost me about six and a half k.
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  Speaker 1: But you got a few holes in it, you just
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  Speaker 1: had to patch them up first.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks like I can't fly it now because
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  Speaker 3: it is damaged now unfortunately, so I haven't flown for
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  Speaker 3: a while, but I did fifty one flights that was
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  Speaker 3: pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: Did a lot of flying in New Zealand. The funny
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  Speaker 1: thing is.
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  Speaker 3: That when they trained us, I originally thought I was
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  Speaker 3: signing up for a you know, a tandem paragliding experience.
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  Speaker 1: In christ Church.
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  Speaker 3: And that took us out to a little training hill
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  Speaker 3: and they got us to do some kiting, which is
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  Speaker 3: where you get the wing up above you when you're
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  Speaker 3: running around like an idiot trying to get the wink
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  Speaker 3: above you. And then we went to a training hill
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  Speaker 3: and we took off and I was literally, you know,
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  Speaker 3: about two meters off the ground. That's a magical experience.
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  Speaker 3: To start running and suddenly you just take off and
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  Speaker 3: start flying is pretty cool. And then they took us
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  Speaker 3: to an interesting place about twenty minutes from christ Church
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  Speaker 3: out of a little place called Somerton called Taylor's Mistake
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  Speaker 3: and the funny thing and I was thinking about this
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  Speaker 3: before when we were talking about sheep. There were sheep
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  Speaker 3: droppings and sheep. And the idea is you run down
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  Speaker 3: this very steep hill which terminated in a cliff.
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  Speaker 1: That's it, no way.
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  Speaker 3: You know you're committed once you start running and you
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  Speaker 3: start getting that momentum going and then your legs are
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  Speaker 3: just dangling.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 3: That was my very first flight at Taylor's Mistake, just
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  Speaker 3: outside of christ Church.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I leave that to you, bro, I leave
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  Speaker 1: that to you. We had this chat a little while
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  Speaker 1: ago and I did. I did say to you fuck
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  Speaker 1: that you're brave, You're braver than me. And I'm okay
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is are you like?
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  Speaker 1: It's funny what some people are inherently scared of. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: allegedly the number one fear allegedly is public speaking, which
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  Speaker 1: you and I probably don't suffer from. But what what
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  Speaker 1: are you scared of? Or you scared to say it
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  Speaker 1: because you're scared someone will do it for you? Like,
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  Speaker 1: is there something that you just go No, fuck that,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I don't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I never want to do it. No.
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  Speaker 3: No, I've done caving, I've done rock climbing, paragliding.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, go away from the activities list. Okay, it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: have to be an activity.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe a room full of snakes and spiders, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that probably wouldn't be fun.
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  Speaker 1: I used to work on construction site sites in Western
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  Speaker 1: Australia when I was a late teenager. Not a late teenager,
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  Speaker 1: a late in my late teens. Let's go with that,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm still live.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't be a late teenager, you'd be an on
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  Speaker 3: time teenager. Yeah, I was an on time So your
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  Speaker 3: T shirt you're wearing a T shirt that's sorry, I'm late?
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  Speaker 1: What the hell? Something on? What is that late? It
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  Speaker 1: is sorry? I'm late.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't want to be here. Gee, that's nice.
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  Speaker 2: It's not for you.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a T shirt. I have worn this a
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  Speaker 1: few times to things I should not have worn it,
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  Speaker 1: not because I intended to offend anyone, but because it
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  Speaker 1: was the top T shirt that was clean. So I
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  Speaker 1: just throw that, throw that on and then chuck a
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  Speaker 1: flannel over it, and then I get hot and then
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh fuck, I'm hot. Then I take it off,
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  Speaker 1: and then I've got this offensive statement for everyone else
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  Speaker 1: in the room, and then I have to explain. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: I used to work on heights and I I won't
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  Speaker 1: say I loved it, but I was fine with it,
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  Speaker 1: like I didn't have any fear.
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  Speaker 2: And we're talking about you know, like thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Fourteen fifteen flaws, which is one hundred and thirty forty
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  Speaker 1: feet on what they call Rsj's steel beams, and all
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  Speaker 1: the time because I was working on an aluminium refinery.
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  Speaker 1: And then about obviously you didn't get Once I left there,
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  Speaker 1: I came back to Melbourne and just did normal stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And then about ten years later I had to get
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  Speaker 1: up on something quite high.
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  Speaker 2: I was terrified, really.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: It went away.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably a self preservation gene when you're a teenager,
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  Speaker 3: your bulletproof.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're stupid. I worked on an aluminium refinery being
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  Speaker 1: built called worsely Aluminium refinery in a place called Bunbury,
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  Speaker 1: which is south of Perth, and I'm not sure, but it.
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  Speaker 2: Was somewhere between three and seven.
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  Speaker 1: I think people died the year that I worked there through,
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  Speaker 1: mainly through falling. Yeah, actually, like it was ridicu even
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  Speaker 1: though as a percentage it's small, but like if one
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  Speaker 1: person dies on the site you're working on, it's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it was up to seven, but yeah
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  Speaker 1: it was. It was just what we did. But you're
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  Speaker 1: right back in the day, I'm like, I moved over there.
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  Speaker 1: I just shared a place with some other dudes. I
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  Speaker 1: hardly knew fortune, none of the more axe murderers. I
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  Speaker 1: got a job about a week and a half. I
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  Speaker 1: already had a job working on this site. We got
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  Speaker 1: a night a night job at a pub doing security.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know how I didn't get killed, Like you just
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  Speaker 1: do stuff with just minimum thought or just like, oh
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what I do, I'll be right now. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I did so much shit that was high risk that
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  Speaker 1: didn't feel high risk. So I wasn't be brave because
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. Like it's not like, oh yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: shitting myself. But I'll give this a go. No, I
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  Speaker 1: just didn't even think of it. Now I'll be like, no,
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  Speaker 1: fuck that. I'll be in the car park listening to
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  Speaker 1: Patrick on a podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, if something was to happen and you
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  Speaker 3: had a serious accident, they're now growing stem cells in
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  Speaker 3: space to improve treatment for all sorts of things, and
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  Speaker 3: probably you falling on your head. They could use stem cells,
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  Speaker 3: couldn't they.
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  Speaker 1: What I don't understand, Maybe do you understand the mechanics
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  Speaker 1: of this, like or the mechanisms like why is growing
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  Speaker 1: stem cells then space better than on terra firma in
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  Speaker 1: a lab.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they believe that there are somewhat limitations to growing
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  Speaker 3: stem cells, and for some reason, in zero gravity they
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  Speaker 3: can produce larger numbers of stem cells and they're higher quality.
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  Speaker 2: Stem cells are like the miracle cells of the body.
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  Speaker 1: They kind of do anything.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's stem cells are the kind of root cell
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  Speaker 3: that can then be turned into anything. That's right, So
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  Speaker 3: if you needed to repair bone, if you needed to
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  Speaker 3: grow a new.
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  Speaker 1: Kidney, I mean ideally at some point.
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  Speaker 3: In the future you could use your own stem cells,
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  Speaker 3: or your stem cells could be used. If you, say,
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  Speaker 3: had a kidney disease and you needed to replicate and
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  Speaker 3: regrow a kidney. That's the way you do it with
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  Speaker 3: stem cells.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think they're well, I know they're growing.
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  Speaker 1: They've already grown like sounds funny, like little kidneys and
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  Speaker 1: because a kidney is quite a lump of meat, but
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  Speaker 1: they've grown smaller like functional operational kidneys and other organs
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  Speaker 1: in the lab. They remember that when it was all
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  Speaker 1: the craze for a while, or it got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of attention when they grew an ear on the back
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  Speaker 1: of a mouse.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, yep. Yeah, So look at you.
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  Speaker 1: I can tell when you're not listening because you're looking
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: at your screen reading. No.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I was trying to find out why space is so
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: specifically good for stem cell growth. And basically, the early
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: studies say that micro gravity helps keep the cells stem
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: cells in a more primitive state so they don't start
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: the differentiation process, and it means get bigger and they
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: grow larger and more prolifically before they become specialized cells.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: For some reason, microgap gravity is really conducive to growing
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: stem cells.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: And the Mayo Clinic.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Has its own kind of biospace technology unit and they're
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: collaborating on this project as well. But this has lots
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: of huge treatment for what they call personalized medicine, and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: leukemia and other life threatening blood disorders could soon be
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: treated with these sorts of stem cells. So it's that's
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: pretty exciting stuff.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, personalized medicine, which is what you're talking about. This
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: stuff also also the genetic stuff, the epigenetic stuff where
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: you know, eventually someone's going to go, oh, I've got
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a migraine, and then you will get you will get
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: your own migraine medication based on your DNA and one
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: hundred percent kind of success or as close as possible,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: because you haven't been given a generic drug with thirty
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: other people with a migraine. You've been given one that
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was created for your body having a migraine. Like that.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Shit's crazy, it's amazing.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I hope that it's quick in reach, though.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I hope that it's not just going to be the
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: exclusive treatment for rich people.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Of course, one hundred percent concur you're on it. But
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: it's kind of where it seems to start, isn't it.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: But things like you know, the old jay, the old
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: days of like having a phone. I used to spend
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: half my wages on a phone in nineteen ninety two,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: or because I had a motorola brick which cost an
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: arm and a leg, and then on top of that,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: I think it was like a dollar fifty a minute,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: like it was just prohibitive.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Normal people couldn't have one.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: You know. I just happened to be a young male
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: with no responsibility who made pretty good doe because he
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: owned a business.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you know.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: The funny thing about the early phones too, was Telstra
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: charged or Telecom at the time. Potentially they didn't just
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: charge you, they charged the person you were calling.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I'm well aware how crazy is that. So you'd get
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: a phone call from me and you're paying for it.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I remember having to constantly say, mate, I've got forty
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: five seconds, let's not chat. I just want to tell
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: you that because every time I'd have these less than
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: one minute phone calls and go dollar fifty. And this
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: is you know, nearly forty years well thirty five years ago,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: where a dollar fifty wasn't a dollar fifty now it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: probably about five bucks now. So you're having a thirty
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: forty second phone call for the equivalent of five bucks.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: So but I think back to your thing. Everything initially
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: starts out expensive and seems to come down. Even like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: those GLP one drugs that a lot of people are
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: using for fat slash weight loss. They were exorbitant and
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: now there I think they're somewhere down around a third
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of what they started off a few years ago. So
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: and you would have seen that, like back in the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: day when you first got into computers, what was like
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a reasonable computer, better Mac or something else. What was
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: a decent, middle of the road solid computer costing in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: a laptop.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I think I bought my first three eighty six computer.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: It was a desktop machine, probably in the late eighties
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: early nineties, and it cost me about three thousand dollars.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: That was a lot of money. Yeah, well that's probably
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: fifteen grand now. And you think about the you know,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the power that it didn't have, but what you were
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: paying for it. Now your it would make your iPhone
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: look like the space station or NASA HQ.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: That's the same with everything, though, I think, except fucking
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: real estate. Oh my god, let's not open the extensive. Yeah,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that's for sure. Led lighting may influence human cellular energy production.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. So not sunlight and not UV or UVA
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: or ub or whatever led lighting do.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Go on, well, this is the mitochondria, right, are you
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: familiar with mito?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: You know about mitochondria?
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Don't you do know about mitochondria?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, so what do they do? What does mitochondria do?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: It's kind of I think it's like cellular energy. They
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: let's there, yep, yeah, help repair and recover.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And let's rather than me. Who that's not my ara
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of expertise, But keep talking.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Well they're thinking now just using LED light therapy can
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: stimulate the mitochondria to help with all sorts of things
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: like recovery, medicine, age related health conditions, neurological disorders. A
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: friend of mine who I went to China with, amazing guy.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: He teaches tai chi in Tasmania and he's got Parkinson's disease,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: and every evening he would put on this skull cap
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: that had red light laser therapy and it was doing
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: a trial at the time to see if it would
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: help with the shaking that he was getting from his Parkinson's.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: He was only a young guy to mid thirties, had
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: had married with a kid, and was suffering quite quite
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: quite a lot from Parkinson's and that therapy. I remember
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: sitting with him while he was having a therapy. We
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: had some pretty interesting conversations and they were using LED.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Technology to do that. So, I mean, the initial.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Findings are quite preliminary in terms of what do they
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: call it a photo by modulation?
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: But can I just share what might have kind of
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: got it? I kind of got it right. Mio chondria
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: membrane bound organelles often called the powerhouse of the cell.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: They produced the most usable energy in the form of ATP,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: which is then a same triphilosophate through cellular respiration, so
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: they're like a source of energy for cellular function. Yeah.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I think the big thing with light therapy like this
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: is it's not invasive because obviously no one wants to
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: be cut open, no one wants to be digging around
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: in someone's skull. But if you can potentially use this,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: it's got It's still a long way off. I think
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: that there's a lot of anti aging gimmicky stuff around
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: and I don't know whether, I mean, the.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Jury is out on whether it works.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Have you seen those of then seen them being sold
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: at alder You know the little face masks that glow,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: have you? Yeah, I've seen them.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Look the thing about as you know, and I know,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: like you know a lot, about a lot, I know
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a fair bit about a fair bit. But yeah, at
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: this point in time, in terms of medical and as
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: you said before, personal, personal medicine, integrative medicine, what we
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: think is new medicine that is really thousands of years old,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: just been renamed and kind of rehashed in some ways. Yeah,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it's very it's hard to know what's true, what's real,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: what works. And I've spoken about this many times both
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: on my Instagram and here. And while we don't encourage
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: anyone to take massive risks or any risks, I guess,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: but I think like there's this part of science where,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, when they talk about how many people are
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: involved in the research, they go in the number of
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: parts estments equals whatever it is, N equals two hundred,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and I'm really interested in N equals one because like,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: for example, if you go hi, Patrick James Bonello for
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the next fourteen days, what I'm going to do is
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try by phasic sleep, which by the way,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: is how most people slept for the last three hundred
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: thousand years until a few hundred years ago. Is we
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: didn't sleep in one slab. That basically evolved from people
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: trying to sell beds to have a good night sleep.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And when the Industrial Revolution came and they wanted people
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to work all day, they encouraged this. But we used
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to sleep by phasically, which means twice a day for
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: about four hours, or we would go to sleep at
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: say nine or ten, wake up at three, and do work,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people did a lot of productive
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: work between three and five historically, and then they would
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: go to bed and get up at seven or eight.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: So my thing of an equals one is it's like,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: let's say you just tried that. You probably have to
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: try it for a month because it'd take you a
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: while to get into it, but you could go, well,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I feel fucking amazing. There was another guy on the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: internet whose name will come to me in a moment.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: He used to advocate a thing called polyphasic sleeping, which
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is where you just sleep when you're tired, and it
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: might be forty minutes and then you wake up and
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I'm good, and it might be two
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: am and you just go work.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Then you get a bit tired and might be four.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Then you go and you might sleep for an hour
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and a half and then So obviously not super practical
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: for people with set time commitments, but interesting to understand
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: how your body works. Your individual body sells genetics. DNA
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: works with a particular stimulus.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: I find that I will sleep five hours solid when
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I go to bed, no matter what time I go
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: to bed. So I try to go to bed early
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: because I know that I will wake up and I
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: will be awake for about an hour. So I try
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: to either listen to a podcast an audiobook, or I'll
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: just research stuff for the podcast. You know, I'll have
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: some articles, and then when I feel tired again, I'll
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: just go back to bed for another two hours. And
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that's my motus operandi, it has been for years. But
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: I wake up refreshed, I don't feel groggy, I don't
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: feel tired. I'm absolutely wide awake.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And how funny is the experience of doing
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: work that you love your Because I think you're quite creative,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: even though people would see me as more science y.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I'm naturally more creative and I can do science. But
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: when I'm doing something which is an expression of my creativity,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'm having fun and I enjoy it versus when I've
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: got to read something that I don't want to read
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: but I have to read to tick a box and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: meet a requirement. It's such a fucking psychological drudge. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I know that, like I'm well aware of it, and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: I know I'm the problem. But it's like so many
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: people have said to me. With the first paper I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: got published, which is, including appendices, nearly one hundred pages,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: people like, can you send that to me? I want
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to read it. I'm like, you definitely don't want to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: read it. I promise you you don't want to read
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: it because it's so dry, and it's so academic, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: so much of it is really about methodology and statistical analysis.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: It's just not interesting. But if I sent you a
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: one page overview of what we looked at, what we asked,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: what we answered, what surprised us, and what we now know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. Yeah, you know, but it's like it's it's
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: horses for courses.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: You know, you were talking before about you know, the untested, untrialed,
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and we don't advocate for any of that sort of stuff.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: I kind of there's a morbid fascination at the moment
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: with what people do with their phones, and we had
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: this discussion probably two years ago. You said to me,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: how can I take a photo of myself that looks
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: like how I look on zoom?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: You know it was how I look?
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: And people are taking this to the nth degrid. You
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: remember saying that to me.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because well, to explain that to people,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I've got a filter on on zoom, I look fucking amazing.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: He does.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: He looks great. I'd go out with him. Here for
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: me amazing because in real life IRL, as the kids say,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I am not amazing. But when I'm talking on this motherfucker,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I look like a Hollywood actor. But when I take
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: one I meet with a photo, I look like fucking Shrek.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: So I wanted to bridge the gap.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: There are people taking this to the extreme, though. Plastic
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: surgeons are saying that people are rocking up and they're
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: using AI to generate a photo of themselves that they
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: think is the ideal of what they should look like.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: So it might be a stronger jaw line, it could
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: be I don't know, higher eyebrows.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know what.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: People looking for, but there are so many AI generation
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: tools that turn people. I think I've told you this
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: story before, and for the listeners who've heard it before, apologies.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: But I had someone come to me once to get
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: them to do a design for a logo, and then
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the person wanted their silhouette as a feature and it
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: had a crown and a tiara, that sort of thing,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: and so I got them to stand against a wall
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and shone a light and then I took a photograph
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: and then digitally traced the exact profile. And when I
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: did the first version of that logo, I said, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: she said, oh, that's not me.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I want the beautiful me. That is so funny, think
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: about do you know what's interesting about all of this?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: And you're right. Like the other day, I took a
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: photo one of the boys at the gym and he
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: looks good. But I just ran it through chatters and
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I said, make this dude. I go, same dude, same setting, everything,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: just make him thirty percent more muscular. And he looked
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: fucking outstanding. And you couldn't. There's no way you could tell.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: If I just sent you that photo, you'd go that
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: dude's jacked, right, But it was AI.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: But it's so good now that you can't tell.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It's a swipe right. Or a swipe left, just quietly, Okay,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I'll keep I'll keep that in mind. And but here's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: the thing. From a psychology point of view, what fascinates
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: me is we want this thing, not saying we shouldn't
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: want it. And it might be we want a smaller nose,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: we want a better chin, we want a smaller waste.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: We might want a new breast, we might want a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: face lift, we might want bigger muscles, bigger shoulders, whatever.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And then again not saying anyone should or shouldn't do anything,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: But I think the belief is that when I'm doing
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: this and my life is going to be better in
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: some way, I'll be better. In some way, I'll be happier,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: I'll be myself esteem will be better, I'll have more confidence,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I'll get more attention, which I want. Otherwise I wouldn't
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: be doing all of these esthetic things, which you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: if you lived on an island by yourself, you're not
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: getting it done. But then I wonder what the correlation
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: is over time. I think I have quite a good
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: idea because I've been down this path with many clients
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: over the years. But between all right, now I've got
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: wider shoulders, I've got ads, I've got less body fat,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I'm a bit more I guess objectively attractive because I
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: had this work done, But I wonder how that correlates
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: over the long term with I'm just a happier human.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I have some women friends who are a little bit
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: older than me, and they're going through this hole. Do
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I keep coloring my head or do I go gray?
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: And a very close friend of mine we talked about
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: this guy. I mean, because I lost my hair at
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: a young, relatively young age. I just went for the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: complete shave and feel pretty good in my own skin
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: and doesn't worry me. But this is a big thing
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: for a lot of women who have, you know, color
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: their hair, color their hair, and then at some point
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: they think, why am I doing this? I'm just going
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: to go gray gracefully. And some of them look fantastic
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: with gray hair, you know, and it's you know they
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you see people. And this happened to me because my
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: hair was thinning out. It was such a good relief,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: big relief for me to be able just to have
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: it all shaved off. You know, I shave it every
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: couple of days, and you know, gosh, I've saved a
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: lot in haircuts and grooming and shampoo and conditioner. But
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: aside from that, I reckon, I've been how long have
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I had my hair like this? Crago O me.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say twenty years.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And it's the funny thing is, you know, it's like,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: for example, he's a polarizing name, Joe Rogan, So I
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: listen to his podcast. Sometimes it's shit, sometimes it's great.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I hate the guest. I don't hate the guest.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I don't enjoy the convos. Sometimes I do blah blah blah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: But anyway, needless to say, I see a lot of
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: his head and I've never seen him with hair because
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: as long as I've known him, he's been baled. And
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: then you look at photos of him when he was young,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: it looks so strange and weird because I just know, like,
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: if you rocked up next week and you had a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: full head of hair, I couldn't do the show because
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I'd be laughing so hard. But in some ways, maybe
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: to people you objectively look better, but to me you
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: would look worse because I'm like, well, that's not you.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: You look like someone's uncle with a fucking murkan on
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: your hea.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: You know, I thought about if suddenly there was a
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: cure for male pattern baldness, and you know, I could
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: flip a switch or take a drag or get some
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: therapy or whatever, and suddenly I would sprout a full
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: head of hair, would I? And I kind of think
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: it would feel unauthentic. It would feel like it's not me.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I look in the mirror and this is
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: what I see and it doesn't worry me too much.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And I mean, I guess it might make you look
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: younger if it was a full head of you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: wavy hair or something.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I think you would definitely. I think you would definitely
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: do it. And the reason you would definitely do it, Yeah, yeah,
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: is because you can. But also, you know, fuck it,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to shave it, like you have the option.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of guys who do have a
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: full head of hair and opt to shave it because
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: it's been practical and it's easier to just go through life.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: But it's interesting, I was looking at a week Do
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: you happy to go on to another topic? Thunder off
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: in the direction? In Sweden at the moment, the government
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: there is trying to legislate to stop parents using their
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: phones around young children. We're talking babes and toddlers. There's
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: a real sense that parents are not connecting with their
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: children because they're not making eye contact on account of
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: the fact that they're looking at a phone screen and
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: not the babe in arms.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: And I've seen this.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: I've seen people just looking at their phones while they're
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: nursing a child. And this is such a big thing
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: that in Sweden they're they're urging parents. They're saying, you know,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: restrict your use of phones and tablets while you're nursing
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: a child, while you're with a little a kid, And
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: I guess I've seen this before, and I've seen I've
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: even seen women breastfeeding while they're looking at their phone.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: And it's evidently that eye contact is integral to that
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: connection between the parent and the child.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: You know what's happening when when a baby and its
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: mum make eye contact, Oxytocin goes up the love hormone, serotonin,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the feel good hormone, and also dopamine, which is in
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: the feel good space like that, I feel fucking amazing.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: So it literally eye contact. I don't know from a
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: dad so much, I'm sure, but definitely from a loving
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: mother it's very it changes their biochemical state. Like so
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: much of it is that that bond, that early bond.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Listened to me like a fucking parenting expert. But I
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: realize the irony of that. Everybody. It's not lost on me.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: But I can still understand the biochemistry of what's happening
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in a body. Yeah, it's that's why. That's why if
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: you get hugged, hugged, hugged like you're sad and then
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: someone that you love, one of your if not your favorite,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: human hugs you, it it affects your immune system, It
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: affects the biochemistry of brain, It affects your blood pressure,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you your heart rate, everything comes down into that paras
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: sympathetic state.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Of calm and joy.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, it's that's There's so much that's happening
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: on a a neurochemical level that affects obviously hormones and nerves. Yeah,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: that we don't realize is better therapy than a drug.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Like you being in nature. You always send me photos
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: of you in the bush. I'm jealous. I'm jealous because
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you walking around no disrespect. You know what, I was
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: going to name a suburb, but you walking around you
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: know the CBD in the city versus you out there
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in the wilderness with the lake, with the trees, with
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: your dog, with fucking nature. That is just that's therapy
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: for your body.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: You know, the birds, the rustle of trees, you know,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: the running water of the babbling brook, all those sorts
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: of sounds that I guess I take for granted. It
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: is lovely being out. You know, it's only an hour
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: west of Melbourne. It's not far away, but there are
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: lots of places that I can go to. Even today
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: with my maid. He's on a bush block where they've
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: got a lot of trees and splitting the wood, even
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: the smell of the timber, you know, just smelling that
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: and listening to birds and all that sort of thing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: You know. There was another thing that I wanted to
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: chat about today, and it really kind of taps into this,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: is that we tend to fill up our lives with
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: technology and we forget the silence. And I guess that's
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: what you were talking about in terms of appreciating nature
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: and sometimes and I'm guilty of this myself. I mean,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I go out most days taking Fritz for a walk,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: but I've got my headphones on and I'm listening to
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: an audio book, which I love to do. And then
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: you reflect on that, and you think, is there any
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: time when I don't have something happening? You know, we
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: overstimulate ourselves to the point where silence is not a
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: part of our lives.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: That's a good observation. That's a good observation, and it's
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: also yeah, I mean, you and I am, and a
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: lot of our listeners I'm sure are very aware, if
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: not more aware than us.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: But I noticed exactly what you're talking about.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: The other night. I came up to right here where
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: I am, my office, little upstairs hang out, watched Delli
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: do work record podcast room is it my food? And
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the TV was off, and so it was just silent,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: and I didn't have a podcast in, I didn't have
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: airdvones on, and I just had this compulsion to turn
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: on something.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Then I had this moment of self awareness, and I'm like, why, why, Like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: just outside my window is all these trees that I
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: and just like I can't even see the street, I
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: can just see trees. Why don't you just fucking look
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: at the trees? They're beautiful? Why don't you just be
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: in the still and the quiet? What is wrong? Why?
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Why is your you know, why are you reaching for
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: a button to push? Why do you need something to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: distract you from the now? Anyway, I mistake my dinner
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: in the car and the still, but it was it's
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: so weird to say that that's a weird experience.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Well, there's a train of thought now that constant stimulation
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: is now affecting us to the point because silence is
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: an important part of memory consolidation, generating, creativity, emotional processing.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: But if we're filling that void constantly, we don't give
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: it to ourselves. We don't give us the opportunity that
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: quiet time is really useful for cognitive recovery, you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: and even things like mental fatigue that we.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Suffer from and we do.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: We live in an and society where we're everything's so
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: fast paced, not being able to take that breather for
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: your brain, and even if you're listening to an audiobook
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: you're thinking about it, but just turning off and not
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: doing anything, it can actually be really useful in terms
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: of being mindful because it's at that point and I
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: know with myself it's the silent movements that kind of
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: fuel my creativity.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm always amazed at the fact that our brain,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: which weighs about one point three kilos, uses twenty percent
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: of our energy expenditure.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Or in other words, if we have two and a.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Half thousand calories a day, which is probably around normalish
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people, a bit more of some
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: bit less for others. But if you have twenty five
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: hundred calories, five hundred of those will go on thinking
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: that's crazy. It's the most high high energy kind of
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: thing you have in your body in terms of energy
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: cost staring, isn't it. And I mean there's a lot
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: of blood circulating.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: When you think about what's going on biomechanically, in terms
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: of keeping your brain alive, keeping cells oxygenated, and getting
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: all the nutrients to them, there's a lot going on there.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: And you think about, like your elbow is not always
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: doing something, but your brain is always doing something like
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: the rain. That's like your operational headquarters. I mean, it
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: keeps all even the stuff you don't think about, breathing
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: or heart rate or whatever. It's regulating everything, and then
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: it's processing data. Then it's keeping you safe. Then it's
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: identifying risks, and then it's kind of it's doing all
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: this subconscious stuff that's not even that you're not even
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: aware of in prefrontal cortex, the bit of the front
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: that does all the thinking. You know, it's just yeah,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's so, it's so crazy, and it's so crazy
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: that we think we're building computers that are going to
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: be better than a brain. Well, nah, it's going to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: be better than a brain in some ways because it
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: can hold more, you know, data, but it can't it
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: can never be intertwined with emotions. It can simulate emotions,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't have emotions because it doesn't have biology,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and emotion is tied in with biology. It's technology. So
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you know the fact that I don't know, one day
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: we'll get maybe what do.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: They call that?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Transhumanism? You know, there's a big movement called transhumanism, which
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: is basically where people upgrade themselves and they think that
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: they think some people suggest that by the year I
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: think it's twenty eighty four or something, but most people
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: will be transhuman, which is a percentage biological and a
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: percentage technological. I'm like, I'm glad I'll be dead before then.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be a part fucking toaster.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: I was just thinking, imagine all the autonomic functions that
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: your body is doing, from everything from breathing, circulating blood,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: you sphink the stain closed, all those things.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: That your body does automatically. What if you have well
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: digesting and distributing nutrig nutrients.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: Imagine if you had to do that, think about it.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: To do it, I would last thirty second. Yeah, imagine
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: if the only way you kept your sphink the shut
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: was with self control fourteen and forty minutes a day. Yeah,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: that's going to be nobody needs that. Now.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I could expand on that, but I will not.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: All Right, robots, robots and more robots. There's so much
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: robotics stories, so many robotic stories around.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: It all seems to be coming out of China at
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the moment.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: So they've deployed humanoid robots street management. So there's a
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: number of councils, I guess and areas around China where
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: they're using robots to assist the public to do administrative tasks.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: They've got cameras on them and sensors and they're all
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: AI powered and they're not equipped with weapons or anything
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: like that, so they can patrol streets, they can provide
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: information if you get lost, you can talk to a robot,
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: and they can look at monitoring public places as well.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: So the deployment of robots in China seems to be
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: ahead of the game in as savar as robot technology goes.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: And then like now you can buy in China a
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: home cleaning humanoid robot butler.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: And I know we've spoken about this before. It'd be great.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I'd love to have a humanoid robot butler out there
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: just doing his thing or hurthing or whatever thing, mowing
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: my lawn and washing my dishes and all that sort
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: of stuff and doing all the chores that.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: I don't like to do.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: But that's pretty you know, it's pretty advanced. I think
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: that it is so far ahead of the game, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I think that it would be good
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: to have around in Japan and a lot of the places.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: And I know China is problematic as well because of
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: the one child policy, and we've spoken about this before.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: They're going to be in a desperate state of affairs,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and that's why robotics is such a big kind of
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: push at the moment, because they're not going to have
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: enough people to take care of their older aging generations.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: They just don't have the children that are going to
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: be able to go into the roles to do medical support,
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: aged care support, that sort of stuff. So you know,
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: this is a real desperation ploy, you know, bid by
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: China to try to get as many robots out into
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: the wild. What do you feel about having here's a
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: good one for you. Sitting on a plane. What if
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: I had a robot companion and you were in the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: seat next to my robot companion?
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: How comfortable would you be? I'd be fine. We'll come
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: back to that. I just want to update you. So
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: it hasn't been a one child policy since twenty fifteen,
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: so today there's no legal limit. But it's interesting you
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: bring that up because they introduced it in nineteen seventy
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: nine to slow population growth and then they started going
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the wrong way. But yeah, I don't It's funny like
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I'm you're probably more fascinated, but I'm pretty fascinated for
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: someone who's not technologically oriented, as in, it's not like
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: my natural habitat and I'm good at it like you're
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: good at it. Right, It's like I've always been good
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: at physical things, picking up you know, how to teach
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: someone how to run or throw or jump or lift
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: or like it's like my natural habitat right, But with
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: this not so much. But I'm really interested in the one,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the technology, the evolution of technology in the various applications,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: and I think we need it. I think there's a like,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: without being too weird or deep, ethical, moral, you know,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: variables around that that we might need to think about.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: But also like the whole idea of having a thing
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to clean my carpet and mow my lawn, and that
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: doesn't interest me, Like I would rather personally do the work.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: I'd rather vacuum my own floor. I'd rather, you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: other things for sure, like you know, me writing something,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: or me getting a paper that I've got to read
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and then giving it to AI and saying, can you
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: summarize this into a two minute read? Not the thirty
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: minute read it currently is stuff like that. I guess
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: it's just different applications, and I also want to I'm
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: just very mindful of keeping my mind and my body
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: somewhere near optimal. And I think the more that I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: outsource thinking, oh, I'm positive, the dumber I'm going to become.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: So I don't want to do that, but I think
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: assigning certain tasks that and then learning with you know,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: with trial and error and using your brain to figure
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: out how you can optimize AI for you, and that
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: might include vacuuming and all. I don't think there's anything
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: wrong with that. Yeah, I'm interested in that. How do
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I coexist in a way that's healthy for my brain
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: and body and cognitive capacity and you know, day to
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: day function. So I'm not just outsourcing everything. So I'm
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: a bloody you know, a human bean bag sitting on
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the couch.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: My thought is that, and I know this is in
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: a practical sense. Our local aged care center here in Bland,
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: they have a little robot that comes out and interacts
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: with the patients, with the residents there, and it remembers
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: each of them and if some of them speaks and
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: if someone spoke Italian, it will remember that they're Italian
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: as well, and it interacts and it kind of walks
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: up to the person and talks to them and interacts
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: with them and that.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Sort of usage.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Because I mean in the healthcare sector, it's very difficult
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: in aged care because you've got people I don't know
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: what the ratios are in a lot of age care places.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: But people work really hard if they work in aged care.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: I've got a lot of respect for people who are
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: nurses and people who work in aged care, but no
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: one ever has the ability to be able to give
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: one hundred percent attention to someone one hundred percent of
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: the time. At some point you attend to that person,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: and then you go off and you attend to somebody else.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: And having the ability to have a robot potentially be
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: a companion for that person keep an eye out for
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: that person, you know, whether it's keeping someone in their
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: home longer, making sure that they're safer, making sure that
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: they haven't done anything that's going to bring.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Harm to them.
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: This would be great applications I think for most of us.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I'd like to think that I will be able to
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: stay in my home as long as I possibly can,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: you know, rather than moving into aged care or.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: So if I had a robot companion that would facilitate that, Yeah,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: bring it all on.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: See now, that is a beautiful example of an application,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: a really practical, real world, useful application. So in that example,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I'm totally on board, Like, especially as someone who is
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: now like recently done a bloody undergrad degree in the
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: age care system in Victoria. And you know, yesterday I
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: was in an aged care home. I was in with
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: my dad who's in respite, and I'm in the middle
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of it all of the time, and talking to doctors
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: and nurses and physiotherapists and nutritionists and every day about
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: my dad and his needs and his blood sugar and
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: his insulin and the myriad of insecting variables. But it's like,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I think, for some people, because you know, let's be honest,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: cognitive you know, they decline cognitively, and some of them
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: become you know, ninety year old seven year olds.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Again, God bless their little socks.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: And it's fun that. I think that's great. Actually, I
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: love the bit about well he only speaks Italian. Yeah, cool,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: so does the old bot. So things are good. Yeah,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's yeah, that's that's an exactly. That's why
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I'm saying it ain't good or bad. It's like I
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: was listening to this guy talk on Diary of a
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: CEO this morning and he says, you know, like a
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: knife can prepare your dinner or it can kill you.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: You know, It's like, it's not that knives are inherently
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: good or bad. It depends on where and why and
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: how and the context and the application. But knives in
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: and of themselves are just a tool that we can use.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: It depends how that's used. So I think it's same
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: with AI. Yeah, you know, what else have we got?
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Air New Zealand reviews humanoid robot travel companions? Oh is
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: that what you bumping into before?
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Well, the airlines are starting to think about it, you know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: whether it's in public spaces. What if you walk into
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: a bank with your accompanying robot. You know, banks have
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: to legislate or you have to bring in regulations to say, well,
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: you are not allowed to bring in an electronic companion,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: you know, a robotic companion into this environment, you know,
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: going to a movie theater and hearing gears whirring and
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: clunking and things like that, or bright lights.
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: You think that, Like I'm just reading here on your list,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: three D printed robots gain human like artificial muscles. If
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I had a robot, I want that motherfucker to look
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: like something from Star Wars.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want it to look like a human. I
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: don't want to humanoid.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I want to go this is my robot, you know
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: seven four three two dash six I don't care or
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Kevin doesn't.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: Matter R two three po, hey cre I go no,
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: that's C three po.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I know I was taking the piss. Oh I see
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: two D Yeah, so you did? You did a Sheldon there,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Sheldon Cooper you in who graded it? Yeah? Like just personally,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: like if I have a robot, I want it to
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: look straight up like a robot, like we all know
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: it's not a human. So let's not like you don't
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: want to not go to I sure don't. I could
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: have you. No, I don't want to talk about it.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: But when you think that through a bit, you know,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: for people who have them, oh no, that that actually
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: the thought of that For me personally, I would hate myself.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I would I.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Would be so humiliated and no having that. I understand
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: others would and all good, but just me personally, it's.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Like, no, see, I'm looking at it in two ways.
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: And without going into the gory details, it would depend
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: on whether that autonomous unit is being used like a
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: glorified dildo, a vibrator or something, or whether you are
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: emotionally connected to it and you're in love with it.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Because I think that's a very different thing.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: You know, if you're using some sort of electronic device
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: to enjoy a particular moment as opposed to having a
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: companion you've fallen in love.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I think that.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Trick Patrick, Patrick, Why do you open these doors? Firstly,
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: it's going to sound judgmental, probably is. If you're in
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: love with a sex.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Spot, you've got bigger issues than spuffing into a sexpot.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, bro, I'm like, I don't know, well,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I get in trouble. Probably do I care? No, it's
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: just how I think. I'm like, I understand the companionship
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: for the oldies with a thing that can have a
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: chat with them. And look, maybe this is just my
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you know, I acknowledge everyone. I don't think I'm right,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: but this is right for me, not saying anyone should
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: or shouldn't. And I guess in certain contexts, I always go,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: what did they do with the outcome? Now? If that's
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: what they did, fell in love started shagging a robot, right,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: and the outcome was started banging a toaster. If the
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: outcome was, for the most part they were happier, then
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, knock yourself out.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Can I just say please, if you're listening to this,
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: don't bang a toaster, or at least unplug it first.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also probably just don't bang it. Yeah yeah, well, yeah,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: see that. This is a.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Really interesting area of.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Devices to improve one's lifestyle, which of course have been
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: around for a very long time, over one hundred years ago. Now,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: did you know the genesis story for vibrators? No, oh,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: this is good, you'll like this, So I forget. But
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: in the I think it was a late eight hundreds.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: There's actually a movie about it. An early nineteen hundreds,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: so earliest earlier ish twenty century. I could have the
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: dates out by a decade or two, so forgive me.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: But back in the day, don't get mad at me.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: This is history. Look it up. Women used to some women,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: allegedly this is in the scientific understanding of the time.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: They had this what I think they called it mania
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: hysteria right a form yep, And they would go to
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a doctor who would, let's just say, solve that problem manually.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Don't look at your computer, look at me, solve that
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: problem manually. Then one guy went like, not even joking,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: his hand was just in constant pain from providing that service.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: So he created the first I think it was electric
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: powered version of that where women would come to this
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: clinic to be relieved of that state that they were in.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: And that was the And then off the back of that,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a few missing pieces to the puzzle,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: but those developed into things that you could buy for
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: home use.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: It was a labor saving device. And if you want
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: to read Rachel Man's nineteen ninety nine book The Technology
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: of Orgasm, that'll give you the whole story.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's Victorian doctors tired from performing manual pelvic
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: massages to relieve hysterical paroxyism.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: They invented the Bible. I think they called it hysteria. Yeah,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: some others they called it a type of mania. But yeah,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, because I guess this is definitely not
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: territory we should go into, especially you because if you'd
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: fucking know h and I don't know much, but yeah,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I think because for a long time, women's pleasure wasn't
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: even considered, which is how horrible is that? But like
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: because it was all about dudes, of course it shouldn't
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: mean but I think that's how. And then I think
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: there was you know a bit of a sexual revolution
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: about that time onwards, which was probably somewhat over Jpatrick,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I agree totally. I love how much information you don't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: have on this, although you did find something on the interwebs.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Give us one more story, Champ. Scientists.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, scientists are using corn to be able to create
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: an alternative to plastic and it could be as strong
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: as spider silk. So it's from corn protein and it
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: mimics the strength and flexibility of spider silk, which and
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: spider silk is amazing.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: It's phenomenal.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: And the process uses I guess, feed stock rather than
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: petroleum based products, which has got to be a good.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Thing and reduces the environmental impact.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: And the material could eventually be used in textiles as well, packaging,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: high performance manufacturing, and applications, So we could be using
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: corn in place of petroleum plastics, which would be fantastic.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Also, one of the great death metal bands of all
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: time with a k. But you think about, think about
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: how strong bloody spider web. What do you call it
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: the silk silk? I guess by the website, I guess so.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Also it holds spider Man up and he's pretty heavy,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: so exactly, yeah, it must be good. Where do people
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: find you other than on the end of a chain
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: and a pickaxe? Where do people find you?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: You could go to websites now dot com dot au
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: and check out what to do, or you can go
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: to ti Chi at home dot com, todau and we
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: could do some tai chee together.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: If you were going to If you were going to
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: try one thing, like we spoke before about an equals
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: one self experiment, is there anything that you think I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: wouldn't mind trying that, Like I wouldn't mind trying I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's like obviously not you. But some people go,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go carnival for twenty out days or
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: alternate I'm going to go vegetarian for twenty out days,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: or I'm going to try buy phasic sleeping. I'm going
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: to just, you know whatever. Is there something that you
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: think I wouldn't mind doing a fourteen day or twenty
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: eight day trial on that, just to see what happens
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: to me or for me. I know what you're saying.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the only thing I've thought of recently
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: that I'd really like to try.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: And this is going to sound funny.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: I went to a wedding recently, and I reckon my
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: dancing style is slightly better than my twin brothers, which
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: is really dad dancing. I'm a little bit better. I
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's the gay jeene, but I'd like
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: to do a proper dance, go to a dance studio
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: and learn how to get up and dance at a
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: function like a wedding or an active and not look
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: like a dork. I think that would be something I'd
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: like to try.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Make a little project. What you should do is, let's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: make it scientific. Let's do some collect some data first.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: So let's just see freestyle you in your studio downstairs,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: just you just freestyling a bit of I don't know
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: the time, Oh my love? Yeah, what about you? Then?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: And then one hundred days?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you? What do you want to do?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Is this something you could do? Could you want to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: go vegan for two weeks and see how you feel?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: No? Sure, don't.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I would do that, though, I mean I would do
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: it as an experiment.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I have lots of stuff going on
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: in my mind lately, but there's nothing that jumps out
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I might try.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I used to play guitar reasonably well, it wasn't great,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: wasn't shit, But I learned for about ten years. But
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: about two months ago, three months ago, I took all
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: my guitars. I have three guitars. I took them back
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: up to the old music shop, to the guitar shop.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give ron Lee's a shout out on
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Hampton Street, and he restrung all my guitars and so
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: they're all brand new, good to go, and they're all
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: very good guitars. And my intention was I'm going to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: play for the next hundred days and I didn't. I
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: did and just see, but I still have that, and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: I have lots of excuses. They're all bullshit. They're kind
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: of legit, like PhD, like sick parents, like five podcasts
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: a week like joh, but I could find fifteen minutes
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: to day. So what's funny about doing something that requires
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: like dexterity and like, you know, relearning things And it's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: like you're doing great stuff for your fingers and you're
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: kind of your creativity, but you're also doing great stuff
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: for your brain where it's got to create new neural
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: pathways that have long since disappeared. So yeah, maybe it
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: would be guitar, but then I wouldn't try. I wouldn't
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: mind trying, like even something like which I'd be terrified of,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: but based on your experience of not dying, I wouldn't try.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: It's paragliding, isn't it. Yeah, I wouldn't mind trying that
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: as long as I feel like it's not going to die.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: You can do it tandem and bright at this time
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: of the year is spectacular because they're at autumn and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: it's really pretty time and you can do what they
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: call it sletty where you just kind of go from
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: the top of the mountain just fly down to the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: bottom of the mountain.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: M Yeah, that seems all right.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: All right mate, it's been great.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye here, but as always, back to the
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: grindstone for you and back to the trees and nature
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: and just being super manly.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Awesome, great chatting, See your buddy.