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Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 5 Episode 17 - Forever · Shit 90s Shows Taught Me | Felicity/ Buffy the Vampire Slayer/ Boy Meets World / Dawson's Creek/ 90s TV

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a world looks like you ain't ever seen it before Just be how never ended with those All you need is a door Searching for something to put a smile back on your face Just remembering unusual times I can come from one unusual place
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[SPEAKER_01]: I need a partner for a ride Cause everybody needs a ride Such a bird is to the side Just ask See the word and I'll be there Just ask
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the greatest things in the life I'll come in a pair They say hindsight's 20, 20 That ain't far enough behind me So we can walk this sweetest honey I think hindsight's 19, 19 There's a need to pretend I got a hand I can land Because when you really need a friend Just ask
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shit 90's Show's Dot Me Shit 90's Show's Dot Me was not filmed before live studio audience
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[SPEAKER_06]: Are you ready to slay another day?
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[SPEAKER_06]: So are we?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Welcome back to shit 90 shows taught me.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just darling, here with my co-host, Sarah Humphrey, Sarah, how are you?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, I am ready to do a little bit of black magic today.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Bring people back from the dead again.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Again, I love which shit, that's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, yeah, I think that if Buffy was primarily just a witch show, then I would like,
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[SPEAKER_05]: my favorite show ever.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I love it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I just like don't know if I'm like a vampire girl.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Have you ever thought about like what your favorite supernatural or, um, yes, super, I guess it's called supernatural or like,
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[SPEAKER_05]: What a fantasy creature is that, is that the same thing?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe different, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It feels slightly different for some reason to me, but maybe they're, maybe, I mean, they're probably both in the same kind of genre.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, I've never really sat down and thought about like, my favorite, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But I definitely think magic would be, and maybe that's too broad of a term, but like I do think, which is,
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[SPEAKER_06]: I do think magic would be in there, and I mean, I like a witchy moment, but yeah, maybe, I mean, maybe, you know what, the vampires are a very specific thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I know there are people who like adore all vampire based stuff.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, um, I recently started watching the vampire diaries never seen it before wanted a new trashy TV show to put on in the background while I'm working while I'm playing star du Valley like whatever something to have on.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And vampire diaries fit the bill.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is both like very no shade like it's a CW show.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I rocked many a CW show back in the day.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Um, it's it's I've heard it's very
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[SPEAKER_06]: Very outlandish, but the thing about vampires is I think there's like always an element of like There's a bit of squeamishness because of their blood involved, but also The empire diaries has so much wet squalching like so much wet squalching right like the noises like the the wet squalching noises
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[SPEAKER_05]: like I mean I would call it slurping is this a like vampire term that I was unaware of.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No I think it comes from uh in stranger things.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's a season of stranger things.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Where I did just rewatch all the stranger things.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, I think every, I never watch you.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, season two.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I never watch season four.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I watched one, two, and three, and to prepare a season five.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And then I watched season four for the first time.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's the season two is actually my least favorite season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, I think it's most people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's, quote.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is the other thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry, which we're interrupting.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I'm like, I never excited to talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I because I've been very like out of the loop with like the role public opinion, I keep like saying opinions that I think are cool and original and Adam is like, that's everyone says that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I was like sitting there and I was like,
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[SPEAKER_05]: one day, like, prior during season three, and I was like, you know, low key, I think Steve might be like the best character.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And Adam was like, Sarah, that's like literally what everybody says.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But hey, it's still impressive that you are having these thoughts with like no input from anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like you're coming to that conclusion naturally, you know, which I think is fun.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, that is, that is the general.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I like, I was like, you know,
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[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, like I literally thought that, I don't know, I guess like the one thing that he was like Sarah, you might be alone on the boat about, but also as Adam and Adam says very outlandish things that sometimes part of his brand.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, nobody is on board with I literally think that season four is my favorite season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, fellas, and I'll tell you why my favorite Harry Potter book is Half Blood Prince and I feel like it's the same vibes like let's find out like the backstory of like the villain, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, um, I think that that I think is a hotter take.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think, I don't know for sure.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think most people's favorite season is season four.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think if you were to ask the general population, season one is because it's the original because it's the start.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think people really really adore it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Most people don't really care for season two that much.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Season three, I think I
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[SPEAKER_06]: is my personal favorite, but also it's because it's very summer camp, like, have fun vibes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I call it Haley's.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's silly bits.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's way more silly than the other seasons, but it's my personal favorite.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then four, I know is my husband's favorite.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He loves season four.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I, there are things I like about season four, but I think season four for me, what holds it back is the Russia storyline.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I like, don't really care.
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[SPEAKER_06]: That's what Adam said
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but like I feel like everything else is so good that everything else is so good.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's that I'm not bothered by it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like that's my general take about most things like if I like 80% of something and I know, I mean, like I was in different tours the Russia stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't hate it, but I was like I like everything else so much that I'm not really like bothered by the Russia stuff.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was fine.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I also wonder too because
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like you watched it in a binge I assume versus like season four dropped in multiple batches for like people who watched it in real time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I wonder if that also felt like you didn't care as much about the Russia stuff because we were like we have such a limited amount of stranger things in our wasting all this time.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like it just felt like it took forever.
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[SPEAKER_06]: for spoilers for Stranger Things, like obviously we kind of been already talking about it, but like for Joyce and Hopper to like reunite, it just took like, it took the whole season, like it took forever, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, like there was Russia's stuff in season three, like it was like, yeah, a lot of Russia stuff, but it doesn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So season two had squelching, is your say.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So that's where I think this all began is because the
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[SPEAKER_06]: in the subtitles, like the closed captioning, whenever the body horror stuff would be happening, it would just be on the screen like wet squelching noises or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so it's like, instead of my brain that like vampire is contained a lot of wet squelching,
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[SPEAKER_06]: specifically in the vampire diary.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, I don't think Buffy is as bad.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like there's actually a lot less blood sucking in when I'm comparing the two shows a lot less blood sucking occurring on Buffy versus of empire diaries.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, well, I guess it is the fact that like our main character is a vampire slayer in Buffy the vampire slayer versus
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's a Lina Stefan and Demi Henry.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Close.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, Damon.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Damon.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's Stefan.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Stefan.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I know two of those are vampires, I think.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The men.
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[SPEAKER_05]: At the very least.
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[SPEAKER_06]: At the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_06]: At the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Who knows?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Only three quarters of a way through first season.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's eight of them.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I know that there's like a lot of.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's a lot, it's mostly vampires versus like, it feels, I have said this statement that it feels like every episode is surprise, new vampire, like, oh, it's secretly a vampire, like, this is true, but also like, they've killed off, like the body count on the show is absolutely insane.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Who's killing the vampires?
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[SPEAKER_06]: Is it Elena?
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, usually it's like vampire on vampire violence, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And they don't die like they do in buffy.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like under the thigh.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It is very like dust gone, no clean up, no worries.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're moving on with our day.
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[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, and vampire diaries.
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[SPEAKER_06]: When you stake someone, they like, they just like fall back and their body is left like it's a whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And then it looks like,
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[SPEAKER_06]: their veins are way more prominent and they're like almost like a grayish black and their eyes look all funky and that's it then you have to clean up after the that like you have to clean it up that's really unfortunate it is
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[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, the cleanup is definitely an issue, I think.
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[SPEAKER_06]: They're constantly having, because again, the body kind of so much higher on this on the on the on the impact I isn't buffy and so like they're constantly having to clean up dead bodies and it's it's it's it's stepping in Dominic's job to clean up every feminine Damon, um,
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, kind of.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Like, they're, it's, yeah, kind of.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Are they friends or do they be their brothers?
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[SPEAKER_05]: But they're, they're brothers who kind of hate each other.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, just like basketball twins, just like basketball.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but, yes, yeah, all hot brothers hate each other.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: This is very true.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, you have to have at least one ugly brother said that.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It all bounced it out so that they don't hate each other or else the alpha male
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[SPEAKER_06]: only a goes to I don't know the beef between two ego brothers, but yeah, no, right and if you're an ego brother and you have an ego brother, it's no one's going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: All right, let's talk about let's talk about Buffy season five episode 17 forever.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I was I don't remember what I said, but we are not skipping the funeral.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We kind of are, but we're like we're not skipping the planning of the funeral.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just
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[SPEAKER_06]: There was not a yada yada in sight, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Kind of wish there was, not that I didn't enjoy this episode, don't get me wrong.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But like, good God, we're really, we're really sitting in it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We're really stewing in the sadness.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess I understand, because it's a momentous thing in their lives, but they did go to like the Ashley Furniture equivalent of the funeral home to pick out the casket.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I don't understand why
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[SPEAKER_05]: The very bare minimum of how you can get Dawn involved in the planning when she feels like she has zero control.
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[SPEAKER_05]: The bare minimum is like, Dawn, what casket do you think mom will like?
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's the least spuffy can do to make her feel involved or have some sort of input.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know why, and I guess maybe it's like a control freak thing, like she feels like she's the, but we know this feels like she's the only one that can take care of all of this, but if she had half a brain, she would be like, done like she would have evolved on and something so archery like what fucking casket she'll pick out.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think part of it, I think there's multiple things that's going through Buffy's head.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think number one, she's like deep in her own grief.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So I think that like, she's not really then having the mental energy to be like, this is what I should be doing.
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[SPEAKER_06]: This is what I shouldn't be doing on top of that.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think she's trying to just get it done.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think she herself wants to linger in the like picking up the casket.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think she wants to linger there either.
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[SPEAKER_06]: There's a reason to off put that task on to dawn.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I think in her mind, she's protecting Don from all of this by being like, this isn't a decision you have to make all handle, all of the arrangements so that none of this hits you, which again, like you said, could be a control thing, could be as she talks later in the episode about like her dealing with all of the planning has kept her mind off of the finality of her mother's death.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that's part of it as well.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But like,
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[SPEAKER_06]: It definitely is really sad watching them like pick out caskets and like the fact that it's Don Buffie and Giles there and I don't I personally do not feel like the funeral director Dude handled this well at all um that was awful in mind that he said was like oh like there's a Respectable thing of what it shows your fondness for the deceased or something like that Which like you know what's her mom like at least say your mother like not the deceased
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what do you do?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It was just like, but also it was like weirdly formal.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that that's again, like, who in the world picks to become like a funeral director?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Only Creepers.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, if you're giving the benefit of the doubt, I'd say people who are trying to help people and what might be the most difficult moment of their life, if they're good, right?
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[SPEAKER_06]: If they're good, however, in my experience, but little experience, I have with this sort of thing, I did not appreciate the like funeral person, the funeral home manager.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what their
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[SPEAKER_05]: Nobody always says it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It really is as well because like I remember when my mom and I my mom and I went to the funeral home when my grandfather died and we were cremating him and like the catalog that he showed us of like whatever bullshit vessel that we want to put him in like it was it it
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's like bare minimum to creamy is already like more than a thousand dollars and then whatever bullshit like container vessel like earn that you pick it goes up so exponentially it's just like it's a money grab and I guess like that's part of like the business like everything is at the end of the day of business but I just feel like you know people like few old directors the people that turn like
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[SPEAKER_06]: dead animals in two stuffed animals and dentists and people that were for plastic like they're like the most evil people that could be yeah because it's like you want to say they're in it to help people like walk people through their grief but that's just never been my experience with any of those people it's always felt like a
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[SPEAKER_06]: either you do this thing that's insanely expensive or like you don't love your deceased person enough.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like we're like what kind of sicko is like I want to drill into somebody's head and I'd like to see blood, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's weird when they grow people evil.
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[SPEAKER_05]: That's why in toothless, the movie with Kirstie Alley, which I'm dying for you to see one day, because I still think it's my favorite like weird 90s movie.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like Kirstie Alley was a dentist, and then she died, and then she became like the tooth fairy.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But then it was like, she was like, am I going to go to heaven?
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[SPEAKER_05]: And they were like, no, you're a dentist.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Your job was to torture people.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, why would you automatically go to heaven?
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's like think about that, but again, that was a very off-putting scene, like all these scenes are very off-putting scenes.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and we, we find out because all the Scoobies are kind of over at Buffy's house, they're still planning things.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We find out that Joey didn't want a wake, and I was really happy about this not happy, but I was really satisfied that we got this tiny detail of
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[SPEAKER_06]: but the enjoys had this conversation prior to her surgery of like, this is what I would want if the worst is to happen.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And I appreciate that we got that because we must have mentioned this at that point.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It's just not like it.
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[SPEAKER_06]: It wouldn't feel right and like logical for them to have not had that conversation prior to going into like a major sort of
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[SPEAKER_06]: surgery.
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[SPEAKER_06]: And so, and Dawn is again, kind of out of the loop on this.
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[SPEAKER_06]: She didn't know that Buffy and which again, she's the consistent, like I, you know, Joyce probably didn't want to upset her.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Buffy didn't want to upset her blah, blah, blah.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But like the other detail that's dropped in here, Sarah, is that no one has been able to get in contact with Buffy and Dawn's dad.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He is unreachable.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, once again, last the time, last time you heard from them, he was in Europe with the secretary.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I believe the line was.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So he is unavailable.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I guess I'm like not surprised, but is nobody wondering if he got murdered?
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[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's
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[SPEAKER_06]: Sure, it's a possibility.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I just feel like I can't it's so hard to like put myself in any sort of a position like this like I can't imagine having children and then not like them not having your phone number to get in contact with like
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[SPEAKER_06]: Because like seriously like what if something does happen to the other parent that is solo parenting these kids like it's so messed up because again even if they weren't together you'd think he would have he would be there to help
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[SPEAKER_06]: in some sort.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But it's like he's such a shit head.
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[SPEAKER_06]: He's such an absentee parent that he can't even be available when like a traumatic life altering event happens to his kids.
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[SPEAKER_05]: You know, yeah, I I feel because like the time we've met but he's dad a few times and
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[SPEAKER_05]: you know, like he was like, oh, she's like troubled.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, she's like a lot to handle.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Buffy is we never really saw him talk about Don because Don's fake.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But I didn't really like get the idea totally that he because she like went to
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[SPEAKER_05]: Um, like summer she's summered with him.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So like I don't really think that I think something's wrong.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like I think that I think it's a red flag that they've not been able to get like I think touched with.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think like it was a throwaway line that you're meant to forget about, but then you'll later on for like realize that like something's not right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: He's in LA right.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder if there's going to be some sort of angel crossover thing.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I thought the same.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, I mean, I think like somebody put a pin in.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that once again, this show, I'm repeatedly reminded that there is no throwaway line that does not mean something intentional.
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[SPEAKER_05]: It's very intentional.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't think like,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, like, Buffy's dad is like missing an action like that to me, that feels very like we are meant to pay attention to that not so much like the show road off a character that's like
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[SPEAKER_05]: disappeared to Europe because we don't want to hire an actor for it.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I think that, yeah, if the show wanted Buffy's dad around or like if Buffy's dad was alive, the show is intentional enough that we would
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[SPEAKER_05]: see some proof of life.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I, I like, once again, like put a pen in it, like, I think that Buffy needs to be completely, she needs to be an orphan for this whole thing to work.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Like, she needs to be isolated and alone.
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[SPEAKER_05]: So I think she will be isolated and alone.
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[SPEAKER_05]: Very sad.
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[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, yeah, uh,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it seems off and I think that like it's something to be, if I was buffy, something to be concerned about, but once again, there's like literally so much she's in that scene.
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[SPEAKER_05]: She's literally thinking about like how to write the most appropriate thing about how there's like not going to be the best per the families request, there will not be a wake, blah, blah, blah, blah,
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[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so she's a lot on her plate like normal and then like the next day is the funeral.
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[SPEAKER_06]: So right, right, they're at their at the funeral.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We get to hear like the words that are said.
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[SPEAKER_06]: We get a lot of like soft, like transitioning between the different characters and after the funeral, Buffy doesn't really want to leave the gravesite Dawn has already arranged
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[SPEAKER_06]: service so they take her, which we'll talk about soon.
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[SPEAKER_06]: But we'll stay with Buffy for now because then we get our little angel cameo.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, this was trash.
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[SPEAKER_05]: I hated this.
22:29
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why, but like every single man that isn't Buffy's orbit.
22:34
[SPEAKER_05]: I might stay away from her.
22:36
[SPEAKER_05]: You journeys more like get away from my girl.
22:39
[SPEAKER_05]: I hated this so much.
22:42
[SPEAKER_05]: He was like, oh, sorry.
22:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I was late.
22:43
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, you can't show up in the daytime anyway, sir.
22:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, you have to open the nighttime.
22:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it is not like, yeah, she's going to invite you, but you can't show up in the middle of the day unless you're wearing like a trust me trust me.
22:57
[SPEAKER_05]: If it was a nighttime funeral, spike would be there lurching in the background definitely definitely.
23:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Which, by the way, we might as well hit on the tiny spike moment from the night before where he shows up with flowers for Joyce and Xander immediately is like, what are you doing here?
23:17
[SPEAKER_06]: You're stalking Buffy.
23:18
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't be here and Spike tries to say like, no, I really liked Joyce.
23:23
[SPEAKER_06]: She was decent.
23:24
[SPEAKER_06]: She didn't put on air.
23:25
[SPEAKER_06]: She always had a nice cup of for me and Willow points out.
23:28
[SPEAKER_06]: He was telling the truth because the flowers.
23:30
[SPEAKER_06]: He didn't even have a card with the flowers, so seemingly Buffy wouldn't have known who they were from in the first place.
23:35
[SPEAKER_06]: there was no alter your moment motives in that moment.
23:39
[SPEAKER_06]: No, he just, I mean, we saw how much he laughed at Joyce's dumb jokes, like her stupid stories, like he loved them.
23:44
[SPEAKER_06]: So he obviously really liked Joyce.
23:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he did my choice.
23:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Joyce was hilarious to him.
23:50
[SPEAKER_05]: He, so funny.
23:52
[SPEAKER_05]: And for the beginning, like she was accepting ish of him.
23:55
[SPEAKER_05]: Like she like she was the whole reason why he got let into the house in the first place, right in the end.
24:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
24:01
[SPEAKER_05]: And like in that time, like didn't, wasn't he asking relationship advice about Darla?
24:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Not Darla.
24:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry.
24:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, Dulu, Dulu.
24:11
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
24:11
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe.
24:12
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so.
24:13
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it sounds right to me.
24:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he was like, and she was like giving him advice.
24:17
[SPEAKER_06]: They both love passions, like they're looking at them and yeah, they did have a long common.
24:22
[SPEAKER_06]: So they, he, that's why he showed up at the flowers.
24:25
[SPEAKER_06]: It was there were no.
24:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I am feeling bad for Spike.
24:29
[SPEAKER_05]: I, I have such a soft heart for the unfortunate.
24:34
[SPEAKER_05]: So like whenever I see, um,
24:37
[SPEAKER_05]: poor spike being bullied.
24:40
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm always like, oh, I mean, it happened an angel too.
24:44
[SPEAKER_05]: When they were being mean to angel, and I'm like, don't you hate angel?
24:47
[SPEAKER_05]: You hate as good.
24:48
[SPEAKER_05]: But there being so mean to angel, I'm like, oh, I don't know.
24:52
[SPEAKER_05]: It's wrong with me.
24:53
[SPEAKER_05]: I just feel so bad for for the little people in life.
24:58
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
24:59
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, Angel shows up and Buffy is basically like she's holding his hand and then they're kind of like snuggling against a tree and she says how she's really worried about tomorrow because tomorrow is the first day that she doesn't have plans and things scheduled and like things she has to attend to and so it's really going to be like final tomorrow and she keeps coming back to
25:22
[SPEAKER_06]: what would have happened if she hadn't gotten there ten minutes earlier and angel says well you said the doctor said it wouldn't have been a difference and she said they said probably the exact thing they said was probably and this is very relatable um
25:37
[SPEAKER_06]: as a person who is like very much anxious to keep going back to something someone said and replaying it in your head and picking apart the exact wording and what if what if like what a thing your life away?
25:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel awful for Buffy here.
25:54
[SPEAKER_06]: because like they're probably most likely, you know, it's almost certain that Buffy couldn't have done anything.
26:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Even if she was there when this whole thing happened, there probably was no saving choice.
26:07
[SPEAKER_06]: But of course, that's not good enough for Buffy.
26:09
[SPEAKER_06]: She's always going to think what if I was there?
26:11
[SPEAKER_06]: And I didn't do CPR quick enough.
26:13
[SPEAKER_06]: And I totally like floundered in the moment, right in the important moment, I wasn't steady.
26:20
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like it's really natural for her to try to blame herself as the person who found her mom, you know, yeah.
26:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, it's it really is tough.
26:31
[SPEAKER_05]: The what ifs can totally haunt you forever.
26:35
[SPEAKER_05]: My answer to this is like the only thing that's going to help is time.
26:40
[SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
26:41
[SPEAKER_05]: I also do want to I guess acknowledge the show that yeah like the the the day of the death the days after our hard, but when you have so much like support and like.
26:58
[SPEAKER_05]: love coming your way.
26:59
[SPEAKER_05]: The worst part is when everybody leaves and it's just quiet.
27:04
[SPEAKER_05]: So I thought that that was a really insightful thing to touch on because it's a very true feeling.
27:14
[SPEAKER_05]: that I appreciated that they put in.
27:16
[SPEAKER_05]: So I hated all of this conversation like what kind of fucking freaks they are for snuggling in the graveyard and then they like make out and I'm like disgusting like get away from this girl and then he was like oh sorry I shouldn't have done that as she was like no don't worry about it it's it's me it's fine I can't even do anything right like kiss you and he's like no it's me.
27:41
[SPEAKER_05]: I just hate them.
27:42
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate them together.
27:44
[SPEAKER_05]: I really do.
27:44
[SPEAKER_05]: He's literally the worst creature that I've ever laid my eyes on.
27:49
[SPEAKER_06]: It's tough because you can see why Buffy goes back to him in this moment because
27:59
[SPEAKER_06]: He knows, he's familiar to her, right?
28:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Like he knows her.
28:03
[SPEAKER_06]: He knows everything about her.
28:04
[SPEAKER_06]: He knew Joyce.
28:05
[SPEAKER_06]: He, like, she is just looking for comfort and, like, in a scape, almost.
28:10
[SPEAKER_06]: And so, like, let's pretend we didn't break up and that you haven't been living in L.A. for however long at this point.
28:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, let's just go back to the time when my mom was alive and life was easier.
28:22
[SPEAKER_06]: But it is, like, okay, but get out of here because you're both going to fall back into something that you know isn't going to work.
28:28
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm happy that even though they did a little bit of smooch in, it didn't last very long and they both were able to realize like, okay, maybe I should go because the sun is both coming out, but I don't want to fry, but also because, you know, we can't be this close to each other without other things happening and what are you useless being.
28:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, we'll talk about angel in the angel episode.
28:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I know I'm adding from then too.
28:52
[SPEAKER_06]: So this probably it's probably leading into one another.
28:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, um, let's talk through Zander and Onya because they have like a smaller little thing here, where ever is this, this feels like a very, um, I feel like I see this on TV a lot actually whenever there's a death, there's always like one person or couple who use that as like,
29:15
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't have an afrodisiac.
29:18
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, oh, there is death.
29:20
[SPEAKER_06]: And now it lives with us and we can fuck all the time.
29:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, okay.
29:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the story is, is that they had a passionate love making session.
29:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
29:31
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't like that you called it that.
29:33
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why.
29:33
[SPEAKER_04]: That just gave, I'm on a hurl.
29:35
[SPEAKER_04]: I shouldn't love making session, what are we doing here?
29:40
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
29:41
[SPEAKER_04]: They even fucking, that's what they were doing.
29:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, it was especially good, though, is the point, it was the extra good.
29:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so the orgasms were orgasming.
29:51
[SPEAKER_06]: And you know what, Gloria?
29:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Can I just say, I, and I, I've, I've like, Sandra this season, we all know.
29:57
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm allowed to say whatever I'm gonna say right now.
29:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's fine.
30:00
[SPEAKER_06]: He's definitely lazy and
30:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you see how he was on his back?
30:04
[SPEAKER_06]: He did barely anything.
30:05
[SPEAKER_06]: If he got up, his hair would be flattened and dented on the back.
30:09
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's probably true.
30:11
[SPEAKER_05]: That's probably true.
30:12
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, maybe he switched it up.
30:14
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, maybe sometimes she's on top.
30:15
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like on your insistently.
30:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, she probably likes to dominate him.
30:20
[SPEAKER_06]: I know, but I do think that on you would like to spice it up a lot.
30:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I do think she's been alive for how long.
30:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, of course, she's going to want to try things.
30:28
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, she's not doing missionary the rest of her life.
30:32
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, she's the one it is it's good once in a while, but like I I never participate in that sexual position, I can't even think of the last time that I did on participate.
30:46
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't remember the last time I did missionary.
30:49
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm serious.
30:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
30:51
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, anyway, Ania, the Joyce's death has gotten on you thinking about how, you know what, people die all the time, people get born and you can't have one with that.
31:01
[SPEAKER_06]: The other and like death makes is a little less sad when you, and then sex is like a little more exciting.
31:07
[SPEAKER_06]: And Zander is like totally thrown off by this.
31:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what are you talking about?
31:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Because she's starting to talk about babies and Zander is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
31:14
[SPEAKER_05]: not really for any reason.
31:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Honestly, once you get babies involved, you're pretty much fucked.
31:21
[SPEAKER_06]: If you're, uh, I understand sex more now.
31:24
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not just about two bodies smushing together.
31:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, about life.
31:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, you know, I would say it's a kind of about pleasure in the life aspect is a nice little bonus.
31:37
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess,
31:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think if you ask to the general population, what is the reason that you're having sex?
31:44
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think the majority of people would be like, to make life, I think, in some what region you live in.
31:51
[SPEAKER_05]: I think so Utah is very heavy.
31:54
[SPEAKER_06]: I do think most people are like, actually, I'm trying to do the opposite of that.
31:58
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to prevent all of that from happening.
32:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's the crazy thing.
32:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Like when you spend so much time avoiding it and then when
32:06
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a time where you want this.
32:09
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, oh shit, I've spent so much time avoiding this.
32:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what do I have to do?
32:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, what's going on in that?
32:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
32:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
32:16
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
32:17
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, that's what's going on with them.
32:19
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, it just felt like another perspective on like grief to me.
32:24
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it's, I mean, obviously it's supposed to mean something larger in terms of like the overall story.
32:28
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know for heading towards like mommy and me classes for onions and.
32:33
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know.
32:33
[SPEAKER_06]: She's a demon, right?
32:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, she's in a human body.
32:35
[SPEAKER_06]: That's why assume she can get cheese pregnant human now.
32:38
[SPEAKER_06]: She's not a demon no more.
32:41
[SPEAKER_05]: She is a former demon.
32:43
[SPEAKER_05]: But before that, she was a human.
32:44
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, she has eggs presumably.
32:50
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, those egg, you're right.
32:51
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, those eggs are probably really, really long.
32:53
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, it's crazy.
32:55
[SPEAKER_05]: like when you're born, you have all the eggs in your life that you will ever have.
33:02
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't like that.
33:04
[SPEAKER_05]: And then if you're pregnant with a girl theoretically, you have all of your grandchild's eggs or your daughter's eggs.
33:13
[SPEAKER_05]: So you have all your grandchildren.
33:15
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
33:16
[SPEAKER_05]: I do and it's gross.
33:17
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just interesting, I guess, I do know and I'm man, but I was fucking weird people.
33:25
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just weird science is weird.
33:26
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, like she...
33:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, she is is I mean, he got kind of got spooked, but also he's like 20 years old.
33:35
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's understandable.
33:36
[SPEAKER_05]: It's easy.
33:36
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, of course.
33:37
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd be spooked too.
33:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
33:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, all right.
33:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's talk about the Ben Glory Glub blob story.
33:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, because this piss me off.
33:46
[SPEAKER_05]: Really bad.
33:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
33:47
[SPEAKER_05]: So please.
33:48
[SPEAKER_05]: No, please.
33:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's talk to Ben.
33:50
[SPEAKER_05]: The Jersey accent's going to come out in this one because it piss me off so bad.
33:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
33:55
[SPEAKER_05]: So my god.
33:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Ben, I hate you.
33:58
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate you.
33:59
[SPEAKER_05]: You are a useless sack of shit actually is what you are Ben.
34:03
[SPEAKER_05]: So Ben is hanging out somewhere and Glybglob comes up and is like, hey, Dr. Ben, how are you?
34:10
[SPEAKER_05]: And Dr. Ben is like, doing great.
34:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Then Glybglob is like BTW.
34:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Glory knows that you're trying to have like a little date with Buffy and she encourages that she thinks it's a great idea, you know, Frat and I is with the enemy and Ben is like, I'm not going to do glory any favors.
34:29
[SPEAKER_05]: He does reference her as a sister, his sister, which I thought was interesting because now we're confirmed their brother and sister.
34:35
[SPEAKER_05]: I still don't understand how they're sharing a body, but no one does.
34:39
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, well, just like forget that for now, um, um, and then he was like, why would I ever help glory?
34:46
[SPEAKER_05]: I need to protect a poor innocent and then stop some self.
34:52
[SPEAKER_05]: And then Gliplob is no dummy.
34:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Gliplob is like an innocent.
34:56
[SPEAKER_05]: That's an interesting choice of words.
34:58
[SPEAKER_05]: And Ben is like, forget what I said.
35:00
[SPEAKER_05]: And Gliplob is like, I will not.
35:02
[SPEAKER_05]: And then Gliplob is like, I'm definitely going
35:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna kill you.
35:09
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I'm like, okay, like, you spilled beans.
35:13
[SPEAKER_05]: You're stupid as fuck, but like, kill him.
35:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Good, that's great.
35:17
[SPEAKER_05]: But then he didn't even finish the job.
35:20
[SPEAKER_05]: He is so dumb.
35:23
[SPEAKER_05]: He is the stupidest socket shit I've ever seen in my life.
35:28
[SPEAKER_05]: He ruins everything.
35:30
[SPEAKER_05]: He is so dumb, Jessica.
35:33
[SPEAKER_05]: How is he so stupid?
35:35
[SPEAKER_05]: This motherfucker is no doctor.
35:37
[SPEAKER_05]: This motherfucker is stupid as fuck.
35:40
[SPEAKER_05]: He ruins everything.
35:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Everything.
35:42
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't even see how you can defend this man, because he is useless.
35:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I am not going to be defending him because if even, even, okay, I'm not a doctor.
35:53
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't have a doctor it.
35:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Even I know you should maybe check someone's pulse.
35:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I know Glubb is nasty and you don't want to touch him.
35:59
[SPEAKER_06]: But like check it.
36:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Use a set of scope.
36:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Check his fucking pulse.
36:02
[SPEAKER_06]: But for you walk away, how, how is Glubb still alive, right?
36:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Like because, okay, presumably if you think you actually killed Glubb, you maybe should dispose of his body.
36:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, what actually happened is, don't only do you leave good glob alive, but then good glob associates, the good globians, if you will, came in, grabbed his alive body and carried him back to glory.
36:26
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a huge mistake by Ben.
36:29
[SPEAKER_06]: So now, glory, not only knows that you know what the key, who the key is, but knows you tried to kill Glibglob.
36:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Like that's she really likes Glibglob, but he is like, no, that's the highest Western member.
36:42
[SPEAKER_06]: That's her favorite Glibglob.
36:43
[SPEAKER_06]: It's her favorite Glibglob.
36:44
[SPEAKER_06]: He is the top of the Glibglob chain.
36:47
[SPEAKER_06]: So like, yeah, he doesn't finish the job.
36:51
[SPEAKER_06]: And when Glibglob returns to glory, first first of all, glory, girly pop.
36:55
[SPEAKER_06]: your hair is so gorgeous.
36:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Please don't rip it out of your head.
36:58
[SPEAKER_06]: That was so scary.
36:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I really was scared for you when you started ripping tendrils.
37:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Your gorgeous gorgeous curly hair out of your poor little head.
37:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Please don't do that.
37:07
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, she's so excited.
37:09
[SPEAKER_06]: I love the line.
37:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Jinx, you robed stud.
37:12
[SPEAKER_06]: You're my man.
37:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm even going to let you slide on the lame toadying on a count of your dying and stuff.
37:17
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I just, she's an icon.
37:19
[SPEAKER_06]: She's the best.
37:20
[SPEAKER_06]: So now, now,
37:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, glory knows that presumably, again, because Ben said an innocent blank, it's like, oh, well, then, even if she doesn't know that the key is a human, she knows that Ben knows what the key is.
37:36
[SPEAKER_06]: So, it's only a matter of time.
37:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, how you can interrogate someone who shares your body, I don't know.
37:42
[SPEAKER_06]: because they seems like they can only communicate via glib glob basically.
37:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Like they're not talking to one another in their minds.
37:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they can leave each other notes, but like, hopefully Ben would respond to it, but he's so stupid, he would probably see a note and be like, oh, who is this from?
37:58
[SPEAKER_05]: I better respond and then he responds and spills all the fucking beans.
38:03
[SPEAKER_05]: I found this horrible.
38:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I could not believe that he would fuck up this bad.
38:10
[SPEAKER_06]: He was unforgivable.
38:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Truly it's unforgivable.
38:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, and here's the thing.
38:15
[SPEAKER_06]: He best.
38:16
[SPEAKER_06]: He fucking best go to Buffy and be like, I don't fucked up.
38:22
[SPEAKER_06]: But he's not gonna because Buffy has no idea that Ben and Glory are one body.
38:27
[SPEAKER_06]: No Buffy doesn't know any of that.
38:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Because so Don used to know, but she forgot.
38:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
38:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, how we don't know.
38:35
[SPEAKER_06]: So some some shits going down and freaking stupid doctor Ben.
38:39
[SPEAKER_06]: I was I was with not and not to her.
38:42
[SPEAKER_06]: No, because he can't tell what a live versus dead is, which is like feels like should be a test you can pass if you're a doctor.
38:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I have to say he's at the very least now he came in fucking kill somebody.
38:53
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I believe it.
38:54
[SPEAKER_06]: There's no way that like a glid glob works that differently than like a human.
38:59
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I mean, and glid glob's don't even like seemingly have powers from what I can they just know they're just algos.
39:05
[SPEAKER_05]: They're about management, right?
39:07
[SPEAKER_05]: And she meant it was not like it's not like he fought back.
39:11
[SPEAKER_05]: He could have easily killed him.
39:13
[SPEAKER_05]: I just could not believe it.
39:14
[SPEAKER_05]: I could have not killed us.
39:16
[SPEAKER_05]: I could not believe it.
39:17
[SPEAKER_05]: I would have been like, okay, then that was like a really stupid move, but at least like you saved your ass by like killing him and like taking care of it.
39:25
[SPEAKER_05]: But the fact, because like it wasn't like the other glib globs found glib globs on the streets.
39:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Glib glob was running late and they were like kind of worried about it and he was alive enough to walk his ass to glory's house exactly.
39:39
[SPEAKER_05]: And then the glib globs house him inside.
39:41
[SPEAKER_05]: That's how alive he was.
39:43
[SPEAKER_06]: He wasn't even bleeding out on the streets.
39:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he wasn't leaving like a snail trail of blood.
39:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Like he was totally fine, seemingly.
39:49
[SPEAKER_06]: It's messed up.
39:50
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not cool, Dr. Ben.
39:51
[SPEAKER_06]: You are not great at this.
39:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
39:54
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not a good doctor.
39:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, that's the, that's the extent of the, the Dr. Ryan Glory, good blob of it all.
40:01
[SPEAKER_05]: It's um, I hate him.
40:03
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate this man.
40:04
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate all the men, honestly.
40:06
[SPEAKER_05]: And honestly, I feel like every single person in this show, this episode, was stupid as fuck.
40:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone, every single people up up here, they've been up up here, and Tara, not Tara, I think.
40:18
[SPEAKER_05]: Not Tara, but maybe not, I mean, Don made some stupid decisions, but like, you know, I think if we think factor in the 14-year-old grieving her the loss of her mother and if there's potential, I can, but everybody else because what we're going to talk about next is probably Willow and Tara and how stupid Willow is.
40:38
[SPEAKER_06]: because she and she has been and she has been and she sucks as a witch like she is the shittyest witch and here's a bad liar a really bad liar absolutely trash liar here's the thing when we with the moment that dawn appeared on our screens I was like she's a witch she's giving which he vibes like she's gonna become a witch I was your pro give on his wish
41:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she's giving which in the episode, also she found out how curious she was.
41:07
[SPEAKER_06]: We're like, oh, she's going to get into some trouble.
41:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
41:10
[SPEAKER_06]: And right on both counts, because this episode when she immediately wants to go over to Willow and Tara's, I'm like, ooh, witchy sisters, all three of them, like, this is how many witches you need, you need at least three to make any good spell.
41:22
[SPEAKER_06]: And when she goes over there, she's really upset.
41:24
[SPEAKER_06]: She, you know, and neither Tara, I mean, Tara has more experience, obviously,
41:32
[SPEAKER_06]: And I really loved, great to Tera.
41:34
[SPEAKER_06]: I really thought she had some really lovely things to say.
41:37
[SPEAKER_06]: This episode, one of which was when Dawn is like, well, what am I supposed to do now, Tera says, you make a place for her in your heart.
41:45
[SPEAKER_06]: It's sort of like she becomes a part of you.
41:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I love, I thought that was such a lovely sentiment.
41:51
[SPEAKER_06]: And like, obviously, it's not like,
41:54
[SPEAKER_06]: That's going to sink in necessarily like the day of your mother's funeral, but like that makes sense to me, right?
42:02
[SPEAKER_06]: That like, you know, people, what is that saying like grief is like your love, like continuing on, like without the person there or whatever?
42:10
[SPEAKER_06]: That tracks for me that like that person they live on in you and your memories in like your life, just like
42:20
[SPEAKER_05]: that Lion King song by my always referencing Lion King songs.
42:26
[SPEAKER_05]: He lives in you.
42:27
[SPEAKER_05]: He lives in the second one, isn't it?
42:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Originally it was in the play, like the musical on Broadway, and then I nearly implemented it into the second one.
42:39
[SPEAKER_05]: The last song I referenced was a different song.
42:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
42:44
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't know why because I mean, honestly, the songs are bobs, but they're great.
42:53
[SPEAKER_05]: And actually, I've seen the Lion King on Broadway.
42:55
[SPEAKER_05]: So we saw it.
42:56
[SPEAKER_05]: We saw it.
42:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, actually, we saw it happen together, but that's a story for us.
42:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, okay.
43:00
[SPEAKER_05]: God.
43:00
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think I did.
43:01
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we did hear that song.
43:02
[SPEAKER_05]: It was in there's like the first act and then it comes back in the second act and it's exactly exactly like this because because Symba is like Man like I don't have a dad.
43:15
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm really sad and Rafiki was like it's okay Because he lives in you and then Symba's like I don't understand and then Rafiki's like he lives in you, blah, blah
43:29
[SPEAKER_05]: He lives in me.
43:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's so good.
43:31
[SPEAKER_05]: It's actually there again.
43:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's my favorite song from the play actually.
43:38
[SPEAKER_05]: It really is it because I think like once again, I can like relate to it.
43:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, I too.
43:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Just listen, but I have a dead dad.
43:47
[SPEAKER_05]: So.
43:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I can just relate to Simba.
43:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Me and Simba are just numbers are just two BFFs.
43:55
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I had responsible of being the king too.
43:59
[SPEAKER_05]: But you know what?
43:59
[SPEAKER_06]: This is funny because you don't, you don't do graze anatomy.
44:03
[SPEAKER_06]: You've never done graze anatomy.
44:04
[SPEAKER_06]: But in the show, there's a moment where one of the characters welcome the other character into the quote unquote like a dead dad club.
44:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
44:13
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like,
44:14
[SPEAKER_06]: so lovely because the character who's like doing the welcoming is like the opposite of like empathetic and sympathetic like she is very structured very like strict and hard around the edges that merit and right no.
44:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and she, it's a really lovely moment and like a very like you don't want to be in the club, but it just happens to you and then membership is lifetime like that's it.
44:39
[SPEAKER_06]: That's, that's, I don't remember the lines, but I do remember that moment, but anyway, I think it's, I agree.
44:44
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a nice sentiment.
44:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Tara's very wise, very
44:47
[SPEAKER_05]: in state fall.
44:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
44:49
[SPEAKER_06]: And she's like, we will not mess with life in death.
44:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, because Don wants to bring Joyce back and Tara immediately is like, we don't do that stuff.
44:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, maybe there is a possibility that some witches do it, but it's not good to mess with life in death.
45:04
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is pretty much a witch law, like no, no witches really fuck with this because of the the bad shit, the repercussions of it, and every single rendition like nope is bringing people back to life, it's it's not good.
45:25
[SPEAKER_05]: So, uh, but Dawn is very set on this and I understand like I understand
45:34
[SPEAKER_05]: like, what can I do?
45:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, if we, if you had that power, then how could you not want to try?
45:41
[SPEAKER_05]: And I, I think, like, the also, like, another interesting thing about losing somebody is like,
45:50
[SPEAKER_05]: how much you dream about them coming back and like those are always like better sweet.
45:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Like sometimes they're like very very spooky and sometimes they're very healing and like they say stuff to you in moments in life where you're like wow I really need to hear that from my dad but
46:09
[SPEAKER_05]: or mom or whoever.
46:10
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, I think that, I don't know.
46:15
[SPEAKER_05]: So basically, there's like one book that has more information on this and they're like, don't look at our books and Tara and Willow have to go to class and they leave her don't know the dorm room and before they leave, Willow does a little like spell to pull out this book that in particular gives more information
46:39
[SPEAKER_05]: On it, and I don't do understand what Willow's intentions were in this moment.
46:46
[SPEAKER_06]: She says later that, oh, it's just a history book.
46:50
[SPEAKER_06]: It might answer some of her questions.
46:52
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it could do any harm.
46:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, no, no, like here's the thing, Willow, unless you are 100% sure that there are not explicit instructions on reservations in that book.
47:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't pull it out for her, like don't direct her towards it.
47:11
[SPEAKER_06]: It is so dangerous, especially because this is what piss me off even more about it.
47:15
[SPEAKER_06]: I think is it's different than Willow sitting down with Dawn and going through the book.
47:24
[SPEAKER_06]: You are basically sending her on a path alone to do this.
47:28
[SPEAKER_06]: So not only is she more likely to make a mistake and like fuck up the spell, which is gonna be even more traumatizing, but like she, you're making her, who's not, she's not even a witch.
47:39
[SPEAKER_06]: She's not even like a level two witch.
47:42
[SPEAKER_06]: She's a level nothing witch.
47:43
[SPEAKER_06]: You're letting her go off and read this book that you're not even sure of the contents of.
47:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it is so beyond stupid.
47:53
[SPEAKER_05]: irresponsible.
47:55
[SPEAKER_05]: So it was ridiculous.
47:59
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even understand how she thought that this wouldn't be the outcome, but more yadding, yadding throughout the episode.
48:08
[SPEAKER_05]: So basically, Don goes to work at the store, and she kind of does this crazy thing.
48:17
[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't even, she was like, hey, I want to help jiles,
48:21
[SPEAKER_05]: by the way, like maybe you can tell me, like, whoa, is it like, do you know what's the where's the off-limits stuff?
48:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, you guys, I should not be touching.
48:31
[SPEAKER_06]: That was Criles.
48:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Get a fucking brain, my guy.
48:34
[SPEAKER_05]: And Criles is like, here's the exact coordinates of where you can find it within the store.
48:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.
48:41
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's not even like locked anywhere.
48:43
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like I'll just climb up that ladder.
48:45
[SPEAKER_05]: And there it is.
48:46
[SPEAKER_05]: John was so obvious about it too.
48:49
[SPEAKER_05]: She's like, where would like the bad ingredients I shouldn't be touching?
48:53
[SPEAKER_05]: And like where can I find them?
48:56
[SPEAKER_05]: And like, what are they exactly in jiles?
48:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Just like blurt's it out.
49:01
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought like jiles was incredibly stupid in this moment too.
49:05
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was again irresponsible.
49:07
[SPEAKER_05]: And then also he just has zero awareness of his surroundings.
49:12
[SPEAKER_05]: It reminded me a lot of like the glory thing where glory came in and purchased to ingredients that.
49:20
[SPEAKER_05]: If you put together it's known to be like cause absolute fuckery and like he once again is like I guess because he's distracted like he's doing multiple things at once he's like researching and doing this and doing that.
49:36
[SPEAKER_06]: But he's also been heavily involved in all of the planning and stuff with Buffy and the funeral.
49:42
[SPEAKER_06]: And like we see, because we're already talking about trials.
49:45
[SPEAKER_06]: Mind is well mentioned that like we see in the episode at one point, he's like sitting down in his apartment, putting this putting on a vinyl record of the same song, him enjoys listening to in band candy.
49:57
[SPEAKER_06]: So it sounds like he's like,
50:00
[SPEAKER_05]: grieving or like reminiscing almost I like to hear the grief is hitting him to you know you're right you're right I did think I I would have put so much money that they were and game somehow I at least one more romp in the the stacks you know like I just was not anticipating really
50:23
[SPEAKER_05]: I made sense now that we know, but it wasn't just me and Joyce's death.
50:27
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I really thought that like him in jiles and joists would be like,
50:32
[SPEAKER_05]: be something, you know what I mean?
50:34
[SPEAKER_05]: It just made sense, but we can't have nice things.
50:37
[SPEAKER_05]: So we got this at good point.
50:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, Jarves is probably grieving as well.
50:41
[SPEAKER_06]: But also he's very bad at this, like you said, like, we cannot discount the fact that he did this literally earlier in the season with the glory thing.
50:49
[SPEAKER_06]: And now, like, he's letting Dawn basically, and I get it, he says, well, maybe she wants a distraction, right?
50:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, she wants to be helpful.
50:56
[SPEAKER_06]: She says, like, she wants him to take her mind off of things.
50:59
[SPEAKER_06]: That's
51:02
[SPEAKER_06]: little bit jails when she asks like specifically where are the off limits things, you know, like, come on and you know, shout out to Ania's line of like she's going to fondle the money.
51:13
[SPEAKER_06]: I love Ania so much.
51:15
[SPEAKER_05]: She's a mother.
51:17
[SPEAKER_05]: She's feeling threatened her job security because honestly, JavaScript probably pay on a don less than onya in terms of the same work, which is, you know, it's it's very concerning for onya.
51:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I would understand that too.
51:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
51:34
[SPEAKER_06]: So Don Gathers, all the necessary supplies.
51:37
[SPEAKER_06]: She is then set to do the Resurrection spell, which is by the grave.
51:43
[SPEAKER_06]: And Spike, of course, shows up.
51:46
[SPEAKER_06]: And he offers to help her.
51:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And he says that he like she says like, oh, I know you're just doing this because you're like obsessed with buffie and he says absolutely not like do not tell her she will literally kill me he says I just don't like seeing the summers women take it so hard on the chin is all I'm dead serious you breathe a word of this to buffie I'll see to it that you end up in the ground so like
52:09
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to know, I want to know your thoughts on spike's intentions.
52:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Is he being honest?
52:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Here, like, is it his own form of, like, I want Joyce back?
52:18
[SPEAKER_06]: So, like, I'm going to help with this.
52:23
[SPEAKER_05]: When do you think was the last time somebody took care of spike in the way that, like, Joyce would have?
52:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me get you some tea or some dinner or, like, let me
52:38
[SPEAKER_05]: like you know sit around like a dinner table or like a kitchen with you.
52:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that there's like some aspect of like spike.
52:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean like we know like we know that spike enjoyed Joyce's company as like a friend but maybe also kind of as like a caretaker in a way as well.
53:06
[SPEAKER_05]: can be true.
53:07
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I think that there's like I think that like there's a chunk of it of like he wouldn't mind choice coming back.
53:13
[SPEAKER_05]: I think there's a chunk of it of like let me help dawn because I kind of like her and I probably feel bad for her.
53:21
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I think that there's also an aspect of like
53:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, oh, like, if I do this for Buffy, like, maybe I can get into her good graces again if it works out well.
53:35
[SPEAKER_05]: So I think it's honestly all of the above, which is, I mean, it's such a multifaceted character.
53:42
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, there's always some sort of like,
53:45
[SPEAKER_05]: selfish intentions for spike, like it's just like innate.
53:50
[SPEAKER_05]: But I also think that he feels bad for like the whole situation and he doesn't, he's not allowed.
53:57
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not getting access to a grieving buffet.
54:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Like he's not able to be with her and comfort her.
54:06
[SPEAKER_05]: So I think he's trying to figure out how to
54:10
[SPEAKER_05]: do things from for her from afar.
54:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and this classifies, is that?
54:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
54:16
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it's like not the best idea.
54:19
[SPEAKER_06]: I also think that Spike is smart enough to know that Don is doing this regardless of if she has help.
54:27
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think in his mind, both for Don and for Buffy, he doesn't want this belt to go awry.
54:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Like if it goes badly and she comes back as like a zombie, that's even more traumatizing both for Don and for Buffy.
54:41
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think he like,
54:42
[SPEAKER_06]: there's this kinship that he has with Dawn that I'm really loving where they both feel like outsiders and they can kind of bond over that.
54:52
[SPEAKER_06]: They both feel like they don't quite belong because Dawn isn't really human or you know whatever she isn't real and spike is like a solo guy.
55:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Like he's the only vampire not only that but he's the only vampire around this group and he's the only vampire with a chip so he's not even he doesn't belong to the vampires and he doesn't
55:12
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that gone kind of feels that as well.
55:15
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I think that part of it is just to help Don, but also like prevent Don from making a massive mistake because he knows a guy, right?
55:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Like he's way more familiar with this sort of a thing than Don is.
55:28
[SPEAKER_06]: So even if he himself doesn't know how to help, he can bring her to someone who maybe has a better chance of telling them what they need to do.
55:37
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think that there's like,
55:41
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that was the excuse that he gave last time of like, I forgot what the situation was where he's like, he went, oh, it was like breaking into the magic shop.
55:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, like I'm trying to supervise her because like it's better that I'm there with her to protect her than nobody.
56:01
[SPEAKER_05]: So that was his excuse last time and it carries over here.
56:11
[SPEAKER_05]: like he's also like giving Dawn the, like more like help or ammunition to actually do the harm like the spell.
56:25
[SPEAKER_06]: He's aiding her and doing what you shouldn't do.
56:27
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
56:28
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's like, it's very like once again, like it's like multifaceted.
56:31
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I think that there's,
56:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Because honestly, like if he's any from familiar with any of this, then he should know that this is like a terrible idea.
56:43
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but he's like also such like a little chaos monster that he's like, oh, it could be interesting.
56:50
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know what I mean.
56:51
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, let's do it.
56:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's.
56:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
56:53
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, I think like there's a lot going on in his noggin.
56:57
[SPEAKER_05]: So they go to this like creepy guy and he's some sort of a demon or something like he has a tail he has like black eyes he's like a little weird and yeah he's really strange.
57:10
[SPEAKER_06]: He like thinks he recognizes spike from as like a guy who hangs down at the counter corner mart and plays dominoes like he's very awesome.
57:21
[SPEAKER_06]: putting, he like steals a bit of dawn's hair to look at it.
57:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.
57:27
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, this is also another thing.
57:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Did they need the hair?
57:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Because he was like, oh, like, you know, this, your mother's a good candidate.
57:34
[SPEAKER_05]: Because she is good DNA.
57:38
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's the only thing that was,
57:40
[SPEAKER_06]: for was to like, but again, because Dawn is like, yeah, created like I don't know if that's even true.
57:48
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's what I wanted to know.
57:50
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we, you know, fast forward a little.
57:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Dawn does the spell and something is coming to the house.
57:57
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but we don't know what it is.
57:59
[SPEAKER_05]: And would Dawn's mom would Joyce even show up at the door since Dawn is basically fabricated.
58:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
58:10
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
58:11
[SPEAKER_06]: It felt very strange to me because he was a hair picture.
58:15
[SPEAKER_05]: You needed the picture in order for to do something.
58:18
[SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know that that hair was like a spell component.
58:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it was just an assessment of the likely hood of this to succeed.
58:27
[SPEAKER_06]: But yet again, because Dawn isn't really from Joyce.
58:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if it's accurate.
58:32
[SPEAKER_06]: But he says, like, oh, you're going to need the egg of the Gora, which is like a
58:39
[SPEAKER_06]: And he does warn her, like, you know, I don't know that she'll come back exactly like she was, she might be a little bit off.
58:49
[SPEAKER_06]: But we see this so many times in so much media.
58:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
58:52
[SPEAKER_06]: But when they say goodbye, they like shake hands.
58:56
[SPEAKER_06]: And when they shake hands, his eyes get like, there's no whites in his eyes.
59:02
[SPEAKER_06]: It goes like all black.
59:03
[SPEAKER_06]: And that was really weird.
59:07
[SPEAKER_06]: I almost thought there's there were ulterior motives in him taking her hair like he was doing that just to say oh she's a good candidate but really he there was something up with Don's hair that he recognized like I wouldn't be surprised if this guy comes back in terms of like glory seeking him out or finding him and finding out that Don is the key through him or something.
59:30
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I felt like the whole thing fell very off.
59:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I think that we were meant to be like, ooh, like, I mean, I wouldn't trust this guy, but they gave, he gave them like good intel.
59:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, they went to the spa where they were told to go.
59:48
[SPEAKER_05]: And the monster and the egg was there.
59:52
[SPEAKER_05]: They go down together because Dawn's gonna be the one that grabs the egg.
59:57
[SPEAKER_05]: spike is the one that's going to fight the monster.
1:00:00
[SPEAKER_05]: So you might don't freaking break the first egg, and they could have gone out really easily, but she dropped it, like, more on.
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_05]: And then they had to go back and, like, kind of, like,
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_05]: Spike, um, a guy a little dicey, but they got the egg.
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_05]: They do the spell or she does the spell alone.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_05]: And at the same time, Tara discovers that the book is missing.
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_05]: And then she confronts Willow, Willow lies really, really badly.
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm surprised that Tara didn't like, say, why are you lying to me right now?
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_05]: I can tell that you're lying.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this was insane.
1:00:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, okay, first of all,
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_06]: It even beyond the fact that Willow is probably the worst liar I've ever seen.
1:00:47
[SPEAKER_06]: Usually, if your partner is lying to you, you can, like, maybe if you don't have their lying, there's like, there's a vibe.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_06]: You can, like, sense.
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Right?
1:00:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, if you are with someone, you usually get to know them pretty well.
1:01:01
[SPEAKER_06]: And therefore, can, like, determine when something is a little off, then compile that with the fact that Willow sucks at lying.
1:01:08
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't understand how tear is not like.
1:01:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, like, what do you talk?
1:01:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, why are you being so weird about this?
1:01:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, what are you keeping out?
1:01:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, especially because she's so insightful that I feel like she would pick up on that weirdness.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but luckily Tara has half a brain.
1:01:26
[SPEAKER_06]: So they call at least half a brain.
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_06]: So they call Buffy and they let her know.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, this leads to Buffy coming in right as Dawn is like finishing up the spell.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_06]: And then there's this
1:01:36
[SPEAKER_06]: huge confrontation between the two of them.
1:01:38
[SPEAKER_06]: And I have a lot of the dialogue written down, because I just thought it was like, I don't know, so perfect.
1:01:43
[SPEAKER_06]: It felt very spot on for like what this might be like to be in their situation.
1:01:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Where Don says, I'm not like you.
1:01:52
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't have anybody.
1:01:53
[SPEAKER_06]: And Buffy says, of course, you do.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_06]: You have me.
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't say, no, I don't.
1:01:57
[SPEAKER_06]: You won't even look at me.
1:01:58
[SPEAKER_06]: It's so obvious.
1:01:59
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't want me around.
1:02:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Which therefore makes sense why Dawn wanted to go to Willow and Tara's because she's like, I just want to get out of Buffy's hair like I don't want to be a burden to her.
1:02:08
[SPEAKER_06]: And Buffy says, that's not true.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Dawn says, yes, it is.
1:02:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Mom died and it's like you don't even care.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is heartbreaking, of course.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_06]: For like,
1:02:18
[SPEAKER_06]: Buffy to hear.
1:02:19
[SPEAKER_06]: So she is like so taken aback, has tears in her eyes.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_06]: She's of course I care.
1:02:24
[SPEAKER_06]: How can you even think that?
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Dawn says, how can I not?
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_06]: You haven't even cried.
1:02:28
[SPEAKER_06]: You've just been running around like it's some big chore or something, cleaning up after mom's messes.
1:02:34
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is when Buffy slapsed on and like holy crap.
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I don't know about you, Sarah, but I was like totally flabbergasted that she's an actor.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I was just like, so I mean,
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, don't hit your sister, I guess.
1:02:52
[SPEAKER_06]: It was, it was bad.
1:02:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and I can understand how Don is feeling this way, that because Buffy is compartmentalizing all of this and like taking on the role of the, the executor of the wheel almost, like I'm going to plan everything.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to really throw myself into planning mode to avoid having to feel the feelings that come along with grief.
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_06]: That to dawn, it just looks like you don't care, like you're not crying.
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not sad.
1:03:18
[SPEAKER_06]: What's wrong with you?
1:03:20
[SPEAKER_05]: It's hard because everybody deals with grief differently.
1:03:24
[SPEAKER_05]: We know this.
1:03:27
[SPEAKER_05]: So obviously, but he's like very,
1:03:30
[SPEAKER_05]: affected by all of this, but how is Dawn's post-a-know if Buffy doesn't let her in any?
1:03:36
[SPEAKER_05]: So, and, and Dawn's mind, like, she doesn't care, and she hasn't cared, and that makes Dawn feel extremely alone in all of this.
1:03:47
[SPEAKER_05]: It makes it a tough situation, but also Buffy's not the type of person to open up like that.
1:03:55
[SPEAKER_05]: So, it's
1:03:57
[SPEAKER_06]: there she doesn't want to be a burden to Donna either I think like I think she's worried if she cries she doesn't want to make Don cry she doesn't want to make Don upset even though Don is already upset like there's nothing that you it's better to be with each other and like having these moments than trying to hide it from her yeah
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, she has to get off of this though, like it's going to be, I mean, we've been saying this for so long, like she has to get off from the, I need to protect everybody around me like shields everybody from everything it's.
1:04:28
[SPEAKER_05]: But that's been her thing the entire show.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_05]: So I didn't see him like it doesn't seem like it's going to go anywhere anytime soon.
1:04:36
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
1:04:37
[SPEAKER_06]: So Buffy is like astonished that she hit her sister.
1:04:41
[SPEAKER_06]: She says, Don, I've been working.
1:04:43
[SPEAKER_06]: I've been busy because I have to.
1:04:45
[SPEAKER_06]: And Don says, no, you've been avoiding me.
1:04:47
[SPEAKER_06]: But he says, I'm not.
1:04:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I have to do these things because when I stop, then she's really gone.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm trying Don, I'm trying really hard to take care of things.
1:04:56
[SPEAKER_06]: But I don't even know what I'm doing.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Mom always knew, and this is when Don says, you don't know what he asked you to be mom.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_06]: But he says, well, who's going to be?
1:05:04
[SPEAKER_06]: If I'm not, Hondon, have you even thought about that?
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Who's going to make things better?
1:05:08
[SPEAKER_06]: Who's going to take care of us?
1:05:10
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't mean to push you away.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_06]: I just couldn't let you see me.
1:05:13
[SPEAKER_06]: And then she starts crying.
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what we're going to do.
1:05:16
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm scared.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is when there's a knock at the door.
1:05:20
[SPEAKER_06]: And Buffy goes to answer the door and at that exact moment, Dawn rips up the photo, which we know from the creepy guy they went to see that that will end this bell immediately.
1:05:29
[SPEAKER_06]: And when Buffy opens the door, no one is standing there.
1:05:34
[SPEAKER_06]: That is a very convenient out for this spell.
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Just for a ping-a-pong.
1:05:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Did it be very, can you imagine if Joyce comes back and then like somewhere down the line they like
1:05:49
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, this smells ass.
1:05:53
[SPEAKER_05]: It's absolutely ass.
1:05:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Like the way to eliminate this spell, like you would have to put this picture and evolve and evolve and evolve and evolve.
1:06:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's with lasers protecting it.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_05]: like there's no freaking way.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, we see a shot.
1:06:11
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't actually see who is coming.
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_05]: If it's a version of choice, if it actually the choice is zombie, we don't see it.
1:06:21
[SPEAKER_05]: But we leave this episode like seeing like, oh, like they have each other.
1:06:26
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, they like start hugging and buffies really like finally like breaking down in front of the one.
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it was a fine, it was a fine episode.
1:06:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I feel like it was definitely lighter than the last episode, which I think that'd be needed.
1:06:44
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think like I was maybe anticipating the last episode to be more like this episode tonally.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_05]: And you don't want to be like not as heavy, but
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know what I mean?
1:06:59
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, it's, it's, it's understandable.
1:07:03
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I just do the, we probably both of this was the episode that we were going to get.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, last episode.
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I didn't think we would pick right up from the end of the episode before it.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I didn't think we would be in the moment of Buffy finding out for an entire episode.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_06]: I really felt like it was going to be this, which is like the planning of the funeral and the kind of the fall out of the death and all of that.
1:07:28
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, I mean, obviously this is not the, you know, the show's not going to move on like nothing ever happened.
1:07:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Next episode, obviously.
1:07:36
[SPEAKER_06]: But I am curious to see how how.
1:07:41
[SPEAKER_06]: specifically Buffy handles things next episode because like to her point, she has done all of the planning and all of that.
1:07:49
[SPEAKER_06]: So like now is the time where she's really going to actually be like fully taking on the brunt of the grief.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I'm interested to see kind of how that is depicted and also like.
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_06]: What if they get into the logistics of like what's going on with the dad and is buffy going to be watching over dawn and like you know, I mean, I think that's At least like something that isn't we have a mention of buffy's dad, which means the show is recognizing that like there is a father somewhere maybe if he's not dead.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're setting it up.
1:08:24
[SPEAKER_05]: What's the what's the probability that we're going to get like a fluffy monster the week episode as a palette cleanser.
1:08:31
[SPEAKER_06]: There's no way, there's no way, right?
1:08:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure doesn't just mean forget.
1:08:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is episode 17, next episode is episode 18.
1:08:39
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we're in for some fuckery soon.
1:08:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, maybe that's the usual thinking.
1:08:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like they're like, let's give us fuckery an angel.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't need the fuckery.
1:08:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God.
1:08:47
[SPEAKER_05]: Course corner.
1:08:49
[SPEAKER_05]: Wanted to joke.
1:08:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I watched it.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_05]: I watched it and I was up the entire time.
1:08:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, because Harmony was there.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Like you predicted, like you predicted.
1:08:56
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't.
1:08:57
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I didn't really think it was going to happen, but it happened.
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_05]: So good from taking context clues.
1:09:02
[SPEAKER_05]: That's pretty cool.
1:09:04
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah.
1:09:05
[SPEAKER_05]: I did like the episode.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I, but the only theme that I liked about it was the Harmony and Courtney scenes.
1:09:12
[SPEAKER_05]: So that makes me feel like what I want is a detective show with Cordelia and Harmony and nobody else from this show.
1:09:23
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:09:25
[SPEAKER_06]: when Harmony steps in and immediately is like girl the fuck happened to your hair.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like on board.
1:09:32
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like yes, call out Cordelia's fucking horrible hair.
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_06]: I loved their wine night together with the Oh Cordelia, how I love to feel yeah.
1:09:43
[SPEAKER_06]: It was fine.
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_05]: It was so fun.
1:09:45
[SPEAKER_05]: I think like that's that's the reason why Buffy works for probably both of us.
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_05]: as a show, more so than Angel, because of the fun moments like this, this felt very, and maybe it's because we are women, we relate to having a slumber party and doing each other's nails and talking about high school bullshit.
1:10:07
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure we relate more to that than whatever nonsense Angel is up to,
1:10:18
[SPEAKER_05]: fun for me to watch Cordelia and Harmony and their dynamic and like um just like everything that they got into throughout the episode like going to the karaoke bar trying to like kind to like get a gauge on like Harmony's future and like the was the same the host is like I can't help
1:10:41
[SPEAKER_06]: You have to stick close to Cordelia basically.
1:10:44
[SPEAKER_06]: I love harmonies song choice of the way we were is just like incredible.
1:10:49
[SPEAKER_06]: I love the misunderstanding about harmony being a vampire and Cordelia thinking that she's a lesbian.
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I was very funny, especially because we wrote Willow into that storyline.
1:11:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Big three.
1:11:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Any realness.
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_06]: so funny.
1:11:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and this is also when Willow tells Courtney about her relationship with Tara.
1:11:09
[SPEAKER_06]: And she's like, oh, okay.
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, congrats.
1:11:12
[SPEAKER_06]: Like whatever, uh, that was really great.
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_06]: And Harmony just I loved the like slow mo walk of like the crew and then Harmony is just there.
1:11:21
[SPEAKER_06]: You pull out.
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I would have loved a like
1:11:26
[SPEAKER_05]: five episode are three episode are really agree of harmony being part of the team and like you know because there's times where she really does seem like I just want to help but she's so like but she it's very very much like oh she would spill her coffee on the keyboard.
1:11:48
[SPEAKER_06]: What the thing is is, what harmony actually reminds me of is like a less competent version of early early Cordelia, where like Cordelia has strengths.
1:11:59
[SPEAKER_06]: It just took her a minute to like come into those strengths and like to really excel and not be so just like in, you know, self interested self obsessed.
1:12:18
[SPEAKER_06]: rocks.
1:12:18
[SPEAKER_06]: She's also really stupid.
1:12:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and I, I also really love the moment of, they're like, they have to go to work.
1:12:26
[SPEAKER_06]: And so she's going to leave harmony behind in her apartment.
1:12:29
[SPEAKER_06]: And she's like, I don't want to be here with the ghosts.
1:12:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't want to be alone with the ghost.
1:12:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this, this whole episode worked for me because the idea of a vampire pyramid scheme cult thing was very funny.
1:12:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that was funny too, because especially,
1:12:43
[SPEAKER_05]: um i don't remember when like upon the pomsy pomsy scheme is that what was pomsy scheme pomsy pomsy pomsy pomsy pomsy scheme.
1:12:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Wait here was that i don't know pomskis.
1:12:58
[SPEAKER_05]: pomskis scheme yes all the pomskis in the world were
1:13:02
[SPEAKER_05]: getting up to the good.
1:13:03
[SPEAKER_05]: But I mean, I can't.
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I sound so illiterate.
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_05]: I apologize.
1:13:09
[SPEAKER_05]: But anyway, like I feel as though like pyramid schemes like always run rampads.
1:13:15
[SPEAKER_05]: Like even to this day, I mean, it wasn't that long ago where people were losing thousands and thousands of dollars of the ugliest leggings that ever existed.
1:13:24
[SPEAKER_05]: If you can be your own boss, Sarah, you can
1:13:30
[SPEAKER_05]: like it's like we've heard it for so long and like it's a device that typically targets women.
1:13:38
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it's so bad.
1:13:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I have you ever had like a friend that has gone into this shit.
1:13:45
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and it's so bad because like you have to like, yeah,
1:13:49
[SPEAKER_05]: because you have to go to the board or you have to go.
1:13:52
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like you have to like help them because like you want them to make money.
1:13:56
[SPEAKER_05]: But like then they wind up only like asking their friends and family.
1:14:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:14:02
[SPEAKER_06]: And lips sense one.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_06]: I remember really.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_06]: getting a lot of people.
1:14:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, when I was a kid, it was more or so the, the, like, Tupperware slash pampered chef parties.
1:14:15
[SPEAKER_06]: But then one was actually like, like, the pampered chef like those were good products.
1:14:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, like, like, it's bad.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I have something from pampered chef that I still use.
1:14:25
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like it holds up.
1:14:27
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I know, but then it turns into like turned into absolutely fucking crap.
1:14:33
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, like lip sense was the big one that I when I was like in my early 20s, like it was a lot of my like, you know, people were getting to know.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_05]: And then they were, they wanted to like recruit you and say, I don't want to them.
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like, oh, so yeah, I thought that it was like the pyramid scheme was really funny.
1:14:49
[SPEAKER_05]: This guy seems to be like a real motivator, like basically you
1:14:54
[SPEAKER_06]: What was it you recruit to or turn to turn to and the rest is food?
1:15:00
[SPEAKER_06]: Woo!
1:15:01
[SPEAKER_06]: Woo!
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was very funny they had all these like different colored like cloaks or whatever and so they send in harmony to like basically be a mole a spy and instead of course she joins the cold immediately turns on the rest.
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_06]: And Cordy says, like, okay, I'm not going to kill you, but you need to leave.
1:15:20
[SPEAKER_06]: You need to get out of town right now.
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I was, I was, I was, I was, I was sad to see how many go.
1:15:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I was kind of bummed by how this ended.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_05]: I would have rather harmony actually tried to be good.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And it kind of just flopping eventually because rather than her betraying everybody right away, I was a little disappointed.
1:15:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I mean, it's it was funny, but also like I wanted harmony around for longer.
1:15:49
[SPEAKER_06]: So I was just sad.
1:15:51
[SPEAKER_06]: But throughout the whole episode, Angel has been trying to win back over Cordelia because like she's one of the biggest, like
1:16:00
[SPEAKER_06]: anti-angel people in the in the crew now.
1:16:03
[SPEAKER_06]: She is like, we're not friends like you may work here for us, but we are not friends.
1:16:08
[SPEAKER_06]: So this whole episode, he's been very like trying to get in her good graces.
1:16:12
[SPEAKER_06]: And I love that the thrift donation of her clothes comes back around and he buys her love by buying her a whole new wardrobe.
1:16:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I thought this was interesting because the line of, because she was like, I gave it to people in need.
1:16:27
[SPEAKER_05]: And Cordelia was like, I'm people in need.
1:16:29
[SPEAKER_05]: And in a way, she kind of was like, she's a poor.
1:16:32
[SPEAKER_05]: She's poor.
1:16:33
[SPEAKER_05]: She didn't have much, but at least she had her clothes, which made her feel like...
1:16:39
[SPEAKER_05]: her true self like her the her old self.
1:16:43
[SPEAKER_05]: So taking that from her was another way for her to realize like I it's it was a part of her identity like you know like he took it away from her with out her permission.
1:16:54
[SPEAKER_05]: So I kind of under like it seems like very petty like oh you took my clothes and stole it but
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_05]: Like she doesn't have like the means that she used to she doesn't have the friends that she used to she doesn't like we see her talk to harming about like I used to be like rich.
1:17:15
[SPEAKER_05]: beautiful and popular, whatever she said.
1:17:18
[SPEAKER_05]: And she doesn't feel like she's any of those things, but the clothes made her feel like that was, she was still who she used to be.
1:17:28
[SPEAKER_05]: And then I can understand how Angel could be like, well, it's just clothes.
1:17:32
[SPEAKER_05]: And for Cordelia, it's like, no, that was my identity.
1:17:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Like this was like part of me.
1:17:36
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, you know, like buying her back with like the love of clothes.
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_05]: It was funny.
1:17:45
[SPEAKER_05]: I kind of felt bad for Angel, like I said earlier in the episode of like, we're not friends, but then he kind of like pissed me off.
1:17:53
[SPEAKER_05]: He said something.
1:17:54
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was like,
1:17:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe about the harmony stuff like that was before like the betrayal happened and then I was like kind of Erke by him.
1:18:03
[SPEAKER_05]: Wesley, I really don't like Wesley in the in this episode.
1:18:08
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, I feel like he's an asshole and I don't I don't like him.
1:18:12
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't like any of the, I don't like any of the guys, like, I mean, I mean, I don't have a problem with gun, but I think I think gone had some really funny lines this episode.
1:18:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I love him being like, so we're just not killing vampires anymore.
1:18:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, when harmony shows up and then he's when he says like, okay, but when we actually catch this vampire, we are going to kill it right.
1:18:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Let me just this vampire and then also this vampire that we're not killing.
1:18:37
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, all these other vampires are okay.
1:18:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't think I have a problem with gun, but like,
1:18:42
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't, I don't really like Wesley, I feel like he's very like because he kind of got like on his high horse essentially this episode.
1:18:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, because Angel got him shot really like, that's how he's fine.
1:18:57
[SPEAKER_05]: He's fine.
1:18:58
[SPEAKER_06]: He's alive.
1:18:59
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I was forgiven, right?
1:19:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Good.
1:19:02
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he,
1:19:04
[SPEAKER_06]: he is like definitely taking the course of now you work for me.
1:19:10
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to treat you like garbage as like penance for a while.
1:19:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I didn't like that.
1:19:15
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't like it for an eye.
1:19:16
[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't work for me dog.
1:19:18
[SPEAKER_05]: The whole world goes blind.
1:19:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:19:21
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it was fine.
1:19:22
[SPEAKER_06]: Like this episode mostly worked because of harmony and especially harmony in Cordelia together.
1:19:27
[SPEAKER_06]: So it was a silly episode.
1:19:30
[SPEAKER_06]: I wish harmony was sticking around, but I think maybe this also is like a nice way to show us that Cordelia really has grown a lot in like the however many scenes.
1:19:41
[SPEAKER_06]: I knew that though.
1:19:42
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
1:19:43
[SPEAKER_06]: But for the summer viewers, Sarah, for the summer viewers, you know, not like you, the one who is not alive, you know?
1:19:49
[SPEAKER_06]: I am stupid.
1:19:50
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't even know what a Ponzi scheme is.
1:19:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Why do you know what it is?
1:19:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I just don't know how you say it.
1:19:56
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how I stay and I don't know what your took place.
1:19:59
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, those were those were two episodes we were getting so close to the end of the season.
1:20:06
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of crazy.
1:20:07
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it 22 or 22 episodes so next week is episode 18, season five episode 18, intervention.
1:20:14
[SPEAKER_06]: No, okay, I don't, I don't know.
1:20:18
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what like we meet getting an intervention, I don't know.
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe like that was going to I was going to say that and like I really think of it's like we can't really target Buffy like let her be Yeah, oh, yeah, no, no, oh, maybe willow willow.
1:20:34
[SPEAKER_05]: You are a terrible witch.
1:20:36
[SPEAKER_06]: You're taking it up Well, you're head yes Maybe I don't know, but that's next week's Buffy episode and then for Angel season two episode 18 dead end
1:20:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
1:20:50
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, it's courting going to be like, I have dead ends.
1:20:53
[SPEAKER_06]: I have to cut my hair even short.
1:20:56
[SPEAKER_05]: I was actually going to give myself a trim.
1:20:59
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't gone a haircut recently.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:21:02
[SPEAKER_05]: I need a haircut.
1:21:03
[SPEAKER_05]: I probably should get one, but I don't feel like it.
1:21:06
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:21:07
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the way it always is, though.
1:21:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, and we will be joined by a guest, the one and only Tom Palmer will be chatting with us.
1:21:16
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, there's a possibility that I won't be here next week, but I'm not quite sure I could be.
1:21:20
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, so we'll see it'll be a huge surprise.
1:21:24
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see what happens, but we're getting so close to the end of season five of buffy and season two of angel.
1:21:31
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe it.
1:21:33
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, that's oh, we do have always smelled the play.
1:21:35
[SPEAKER_06]: I almost forgot.
1:21:36
[SPEAKER_06]: So we did get a voice mail from the one and only joy.
1:21:39
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to play.
1:21:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, she has to say.
1:21:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey guys, it's Joy, listen, I have been consistent with listening to you guys every week and I've been loving all your Buffy stuff If you're trying to tell me those, you can actually between Ben and Glory Are you seeing things?
1:21:53
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
1:21:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying anything there.
1:21:55
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's weird Anyway, I'm actually not here about Buffy though.
1:22:00
[SPEAKER_03]: I am here because I am
1:22:03
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully, I guess you could call it, you know, I thought about sending an email, but it would have been way too long And I didn't want it to be long.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to be like lecturing or or recommend anything like that because your opinions or your opinions and I love you guys have opinions That's great, but I'm just kidding First straight up with how you see the angel show because yes, it's not a show geared towards teen girls It's geared towards more jobs, so the themes are a bit darker, but that doesn't mean it's nihilistic it's
1:22:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Rounded in kind of a reality like the thing with the Harley Manors with the home office being your Earth It's not that it's hopeless.
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same thing.
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been telling you that if nothing matters Like if nothing we do matters and all the matters is what we do, right?
1:22:40
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the whole point of the show is There's never gonna win.
1:22:43
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a winning, you know, good against evil That's not a fight you can win like ever because there will always be corruption evil.
1:22:50
[SPEAKER_03]: We're seeing it right now.
1:22:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's just
1:22:52
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like a fact of life, but if good people are there and they help people and they do things to make the world a better place, well then that's all you can do, and then you can feel happy doing that.
1:23:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I'm walking my dog.
1:23:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh god, I'm out of breath.
1:23:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, um, so I just just keep an open mind.
1:23:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you guys only like the character angel, but I feel like that's clouding you to see the greatness and the show because the show is so good.
1:23:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Just because you keep saving blondes, doesn't mean he only saves blondes, guys.
1:23:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, he has a type.
1:23:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Who does it?
1:23:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but it's LA.
1:23:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they're blonde women all over the place.
1:23:30
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of hard for him not to find a blonde woman right?
1:23:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, I told you her hair.
1:23:34
[SPEAKER_03]: Told you cordial is hair.
1:23:35
[SPEAKER_03]: It was ridiculous.
1:23:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's all I've been pulling.
1:23:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll do.
1:23:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I love you guys.
1:23:38
[SPEAKER_03]: And uh, can't wait to hear more.
1:23:40
[SPEAKER_03]: And bye.
1:23:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Just go, what do you have to say about your bad attitude against Angel and the fact that you're falling asleep?
1:23:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Just me, only me.
1:23:49
[SPEAKER_06]: Why are you so evil?
1:23:52
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh gosh, so funny.
1:23:54
[SPEAKER_06]: First of all, I love the point that Joy made about it's LA.
1:23:57
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, of course, there's a lot of everywhere.
1:23:59
[SPEAKER_06]: That's really funny and spot on.
1:24:02
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I think that like I think the difficulty is joy is correct in that tonally it feels like the shows are very different and I think maybe I don't know about you, sir, but like my expectation was different.
1:24:17
[SPEAKER_06]: I think about what the show would be and I think I just don't have the level of investment in the characters that I do in Buffy.
1:24:25
[SPEAKER_06]: Like we love Buffy as a main character and because
1:24:32
[SPEAKER_06]: To be fair, our hatred of angel is was on Buffy as well.
1:24:36
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's not like he moved to angel.
1:24:37
[SPEAKER_06]: And we were like, now we don't like him.
1:24:39
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's, and obviously he's not the only one around, right?
1:24:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, we love Cordelia.
1:24:44
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not the biggest Wesley fan currently.
1:24:46
[SPEAKER_06]: I still enjoy Wesley.
1:24:48
[SPEAKER_06]: And Gun, I mostly like, I thought he was very funny this episode.
1:24:53
[SPEAKER_06]: So like, the cast of characters works for me.
1:24:56
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that like the viewpoint that Joy was saying is very interesting and not how I took it.
1:25:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Where it's like, oh, even though the world sucks, we still need good people in it to make it better, right?
1:25:10
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's it's more hopeful than how I had viewed it because the show is both very like physically dark and like metaphorically dark.
1:25:22
[SPEAKER_06]: So I don't know.
1:25:23
[SPEAKER_06]: I also think it's like,
1:25:25
[SPEAKER_06]: There are great shows that some people just don't vibe with, right?
1:25:30
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's just not for you.
1:25:31
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I would put, as an example, I would put succession as like one of the best shows of all time to just exist and there are still going to be people who it just does not click for because it's not their show.
1:25:45
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not for them.
1:25:46
[SPEAKER_06]: And maybe that's the case.
1:25:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
1:25:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't dislike Angel.
1:25:50
[SPEAKER_06]: I think as much as you have a hard time with it, Sarah, but it certainly doesn't click for me as well as Buffy does.
1:25:55
[SPEAKER_06]: That's for sure.
1:25:56
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great point, Jess, because like I'm typically somebody, I don't watch.
1:26:02
[SPEAKER_05]: of dramas, like, or, like, a ton of, like, prestige television, not calling angel prestige television.
1:26:10
[SPEAKER_05]: But, like, I've tried an episode of succession.
1:26:14
[SPEAKER_05]: It really stressed me out, like, I've never seen game of thrones.
1:26:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I've never seen a lot of shows that are very, like, acclaimed, but are more serious.
1:26:28
[SPEAKER_05]: And I,
1:26:31
[SPEAKER_05]: I, like, a lot of, like, I'm more of a teen drama or a sitcom type of person when I do watch shows and I think like that's a good point just that like sometimes like it could be like a great show but it doesn't click with you for whatever reason.
1:26:55
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, like I, I will still keep watching angel as I am advised by Michael from San Francisco and yeah, you're off the hook by the way for a little while so you don't need to watch dead end, which is the one that hopefully Corey does not cut her hair again, but it's it's it's just more so that, you know, like,
1:27:23
[SPEAKER_05]: podcasting or watching TV for podcasting is also very different than watching TV for enjoyment and sometimes the having to talk about it, aspect takes away from enjoying the show at times.
1:27:47
[SPEAKER_05]: but not having to talk about it or not having to put my whole ass into it.
1:27:52
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I'm not putting my whole ass into it.
1:27:53
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I'm like fairly talking about it, but I like maybe it would be different.
1:27:57
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I can think about a couple of shows.
1:28:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and I'm sure you can, you can to just of like throughout the years podcasting about something and be like gosh, like if I didn't have to talk about this every week, would I be enjoying this more?
1:28:16
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah, I totally agree with that.
1:28:19
[SPEAKER_06]: There are times where it's you probably would enjoy it more.
1:28:22
[SPEAKER_06]: If you're not going at it with a fine tooth comb so often, I feel bad.
1:28:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I, I know people love angel and it can't be easy to love something and then have your two idiots talk about yeah, they hate it.
1:28:37
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, honestly, like I can understand that.
1:28:39
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I think that if I sat here and like
1:28:42
[SPEAKER_05]: talk shit about succession for an hour and all the easy time of it.
1:28:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it'd be very difficult to hear that sort of a thing.
1:28:48
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I feel bad.
1:28:49
[SPEAKER_06]: I wish I loved the show Angel.
1:28:52
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I, I, I met it most of the time.
1:28:57
[SPEAKER_06]: I like it occasionally.
1:28:58
[SPEAKER_06]: It's rare that I like
1:28:59
[SPEAKER_06]: love love it.
1:29:01
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd say that's like way of pretty rare occasion.
1:29:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Who knows?
1:29:05
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I know there's some changes coming up to the show of Angel.
1:29:08
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it was AJ who'd said like it's going to get a lot like zaneer or funnier or something like that.
1:29:13
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a tonal shift that can like be a huge difference that I also like, you know, I, you know, I
1:29:21
[SPEAKER_05]: If we're going, like, we've said this a billion times.
1:29:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Angel feels very like Batman.
1:29:26
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't like Batman.
1:29:28
[SPEAKER_05]: I'd like X-Men.
1:29:29
[SPEAKER_05]: X-Men is more fun than Batman.
1:29:31
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
1:29:32
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:29:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Or Spider-Man.
1:29:33
[SPEAKER_05]: Spider-Man is like a fun superhero.
1:29:36
[SPEAKER_05]: That's like kind of like a lot of times.
1:29:39
[SPEAKER_05]: There could be dark times too.
1:29:40
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I don't like Batman and I don't like that those tones.
1:29:46
[SPEAKER_05]: So if we are leaving Batman a little bit and going more towards Robin than who the fuck knows, maybe I would enjoy it more if yeah, what I mean yeah, I mean it's it will have to just wait and see like again.
1:30:02
[SPEAKER_06]: most of the people who are sending in feedback we're listening have seen all of both shows.
1:30:07
[SPEAKER_06]: So we haven't yet, like, it's certainly possible.
1:30:11
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm open to my mind changing, obviously.
1:30:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I would love to, like, fall in love with the show in the way that a lot of other people have.
1:30:20
[SPEAKER_06]: I just don't know that I'm there.
1:30:22
[SPEAKER_06]: yet.
1:30:23
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think part of it is because I think my expectations were very different from what the reality of it was.
1:30:29
[SPEAKER_06]: So that probably hurt it.
1:30:32
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think it also like we've said like so many times, like when Angel is not your favorite and like a lot of the show requires an investment in the character of Angel, right?
1:30:43
[SPEAKER_06]: Like
1:30:44
[SPEAKER_06]: you know, I think that's going to hurt a little bit.
1:30:46
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a little too broody for me.
1:30:48
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a little too unfun.
1:30:49
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a little too serious, just for me personally.
1:30:53
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm hoping that changes.
1:30:54
[SPEAKER_06]: Like who's to say, you know, I, and I apologize.
1:30:58
[SPEAKER_06]: If we, if we like totally trash it or like don't, and miss a lot of the like metaphors or like, we're missing a lot of the like themes and shit, like because we're not, again, we're watching it to podcast about it, but like,
1:31:12
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not, I'm not watching both of the episode twice like I do with fluffy.
1:31:15
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I'm not being like a very diligent note taker and everything when I watch angels.
1:31:19
[SPEAKER_06]: So like we are not covering that show separately.
1:31:22
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
1:31:22
[SPEAKER_06]: It is intended to be like a five minute little courty's corner.
1:31:26
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we're missing things too.
1:31:27
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it's certainly possible.
1:31:29
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but yeah, well, I mean, I think both of our minds are open to like change, you know, changing on the show.
1:31:35
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, for all, just really wish harmony was around because like I feel like we would have come around big time if I was there to stay I would have been that would have been a change.
1:31:43
[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed her on this episode, but she was so fun.
1:31:47
[SPEAKER_05]: the people were right.
1:31:48
[SPEAKER_05]: I, I think like AJ said last week, Sarah, I go and enjoy this episode more.
1:31:53
[SPEAKER_05]: That is a true statement.
1:31:55
[SPEAKER_05]: I did enjoy this episode more because, but not because of what any of the boys did.
1:32:02
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:32:03
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yes.
1:32:03
[SPEAKER_06]: So we'll, we'll see.
1:32:04
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, also, do you a quick question before we totally wrap things up?
1:32:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, do you see what I was saying about like the angel cordelia of it all?
1:32:13
[SPEAKER_06]: Is there anything there?
1:32:14
[SPEAKER_06]: Am I like, am I losing my
1:32:19
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
1:32:19
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I kind of feel like they're more giving off like big brother little sister vibes.
1:32:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:32:24
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:32:26
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, but I don't know.
1:32:29
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, I like like we always say like the opposite of love isn't isn't discussed.
1:32:39
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like apathy or hatred.
1:32:40
[SPEAKER_05]: It's apathy.
1:32:41
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
1:32:41
[SPEAKER_05]: And like her feeling
1:32:44
[SPEAKER_05]: like pissy towards him means that she cares about him.
1:32:48
[SPEAKER_05]: Sure.
1:32:49
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's not like there's nothing, there's no connection between them.
1:32:53
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:32:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
1:32:55
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll have to see what happens with them.
1:32:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
1:32:59
[SPEAKER_06]: I was just like, there's something there, but also like you said it could just be like friendship, sisterly brotherly sort of a thing.
1:33:08
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, that's that's that's everything we've got.
1:33:11
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, and we'll be back next week with another episode of Buffy and Angel intervention and dead and so that should be interesting.
1:33:19
[SPEAKER_06]: In the meantime, also if you want to check out you had me at podcasts, Stewart and I so far have covered, we've covered three movies say anything 10 things I hate about you and the holiday.
1:33:29
[SPEAKER_06]: most recently, the holiday season.
1:33:31
[SPEAKER_06]: So if you're interested in that, check it out.
1:33:34
[SPEAKER_06]: Bridesmaids will be next, which I love Bridesmaids.
1:33:37
[SPEAKER_06]: Is that a romcom?
1:33:39
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Stewart said the same thing when I first brought it up.
1:33:41
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, there is a romance storyline in that film.
1:33:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Is there?
1:33:46
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, the main character falls in love with the cop guy.
1:33:52
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:33:54
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, I mean, I don't mean to shit on your pick, but I feel like if I'm like I was Stewart's.
1:34:00
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, if I had to like think about what brides me, I would think it's a, it's a show about friends.
1:34:07
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, well, that was something we found out.
1:34:09
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that was something we talked about that.
1:34:11
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's an interesting romantic comedy and that there's a lot more commentary on what happens when your friend gets in a relationship and like how that affects
1:34:22
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that'll definitely come up, because that's a huge part of the film, but yeah, there's also a romantic aspect.
1:34:29
[SPEAKER_06]: There's also a Tristan wig has a love interest in that movie.
1:34:32
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, the cop!
1:34:34
[SPEAKER_06]: What cop?
1:34:35
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a cop that she dates, like he, like there's the whole carrot scene where they're talking about baby carrots and how he's like the ugly carrot.
1:34:42
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a whole thing.
1:34:43
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't remember any of that, and I mean, pose her over multiple times because her
1:34:51
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want to be so many times this is a thing.
1:34:53
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not just making this up.
1:34:55
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a storyline that exists in the movie.
1:34:57
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, girl.
1:34:58
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I remember a lot of that movie.
1:35:00
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember the plane scene.
1:35:01
[SPEAKER_05]: I like me and my friend Johnny love the help me.
1:35:05
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm poor.
1:35:06
[SPEAKER_05]: Help me.
1:35:06
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm poor.
1:35:07
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like we you in college.
1:35:10
[SPEAKER_05]: We used to say that to each other all the time.
1:35:12
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
1:35:13
[SPEAKER_05]: It just like.
1:35:14
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
1:35:14
[SPEAKER_05]: It cracks me out that line.
1:35:17
[SPEAKER_05]: What is your name, Stove?
1:35:18
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you an appliance?
1:35:20
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I like it.
1:35:21
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember so much of that movie, but I don't think that there's a romance in it.
1:35:27
[SPEAKER_05]: I think you're wrong.
1:35:28
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
1:35:29
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm wrong.
1:35:30
[SPEAKER_05]: So we don't see it.
1:35:31
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't have to be wrong.
1:35:32
[SPEAKER_05]: You're okay.
1:35:32
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't have to be wrong.
1:35:33
[SPEAKER_05]: It's okay.
1:35:34
[SPEAKER_05]: It's fine.
1:35:34
[SPEAKER_05]: You look like you're bad.
1:35:35
[SPEAKER_05]: Now I feel bad.
1:35:37
[SPEAKER_06]: They're like, this is what happens.
1:35:39
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel so bad.
1:35:39
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel so good.
1:35:42
[SPEAKER_06]: So yes, I go check that out if that's something you're interested in.
1:35:44
[SPEAKER_06]: Otherwise, just stick around here and we'll be back next week with some more.
1:35:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Buffy, so until then everyone here and if the lesson.