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Over 100 House Democrats Defy Leadership in Israel Security Vote · 3 Martini Lunch – Political Humor & Commentary

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Grab a stole next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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  Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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  Speaker 1: Free Martini's coming up.
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  Speaker 3: So glad you're with us for the Thursday edition at
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  Speaker 3: the Three Martini Lunch. We've got it all today, from
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  Speaker 3: the fight over daylight saving time to craziness from Senator
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  Speaker 3: Sheldon white House. Although there's really nothing else you ever
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  Speaker 3: get from Sheldon white House, but this one's particularly egregious.
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  Speaker 3: House Dems in the process of completely unraveling as it
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  Speaker 3: relates to Israel policy. But Jim, we start with the
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  Speaker 3: Michigan Senate race. You've written about this recently in the
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  Speaker 3: Morning Jolt. August fourth is the primary there, Gary Peters
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  Speaker 3: retiring Mike Rodgers on a post really for the Republican nomination.
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  Speaker 3: He darn near won the seat against Alyssa Slotkin two
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  Speaker 3: years ago, and now it's a two person race. As
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  Speaker 3: we've discussed on the Democratic side, Abuel Lsayed versus Congresswoman
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  Speaker 3: Haley Stevens. Elsayed had had a lead for most of
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  Speaker 3: the few weeks, but then when Mallory mcmorro got out
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  Speaker 3: and maybe some reverberations from what happened with Grand Platner
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  Speaker 3: up in Maine. Not because l Sayeed has that sort
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  Speaker 3: of personal baggage in his corner, but he also has
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  Speaker 3: Bernie Sanders at his corner, and so maybe people are
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  Speaker 3: shying away from that. But anyway, the latest poll from
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  Speaker 3: the Detroit News shows that Stevens has the lead here.
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  Speaker 3: And she's no great shakes either. She's awful in many
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  Speaker 3: different ways. But forty eight to forty one is the
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  Speaker 3: lead for Hailey Stevens here. But besides the top line number,
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting who's supporting who and Jim It's once again
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  Speaker 3: lining up just like we saw in those New York
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  Speaker 3: City Democratic congressional primaries where you know, the Democrats of
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  Speaker 3: course always talk about how they're you know, for lifting
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  Speaker 3: up the poor and the racial minorities and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: But when you look at the numbers, L. Sayed is
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  Speaker 3: getting the most support from white voters fifty one to
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  Speaker 3: thirty nine and college educated voters forty eight to forty one.
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  Speaker 3: Hailey Stevens strong with black voters sixty seven to twenty
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  Speaker 3: one and non college educated voters fifty six to thirty four. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I would assume that Michigan's significant Muslim population is breaking
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  Speaker 3: for lsay Ed. I don't see that number broken down here,
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  Speaker 3: but it's interesting that, you know, the way that the
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  Speaker 3: socialist movement is depicted and the way it's actually playing
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  Speaker 3: out is very, very different. It's the people who seem
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  Speaker 3: to have been indoctrinated on campus who are driving this train.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so, Greg.
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  Speaker 2: One other thing I'm going to add to the sense
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  Speaker 2: of Stephen's momentum is that incumbent Senator Gary Peters. That
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  Speaker 2: is his real name, it's not an alias Endorse Stevens,
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  Speaker 2: and he had been neutral up until very recently. Now
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  Speaker 2: It's not like I think there are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people in Michigan who are sitting around thinking what does
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  Speaker 2: Gary Peters think. I think it's more of just this
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  Speaker 2: signal that a guy who had been I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: be neutral in this primary. It's up to the voters
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  Speaker 2: suddenly coming in and saying, yeah, I'm voting this one.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of a signal to the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: state's Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: This guy I do all. I'll say it. He's a risk.
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  Speaker 2: I can't you know that if you nominate him he
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  Speaker 2: might lose to Rogers and the fact that he's kind
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  Speaker 2: of coming off the fence. I think that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a psychological indicator that the sense that they don't see
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  Speaker 2: Sayed's nomination as a slam dunk Andy it's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be good for Democrats and Michigan is wan. You know,
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  Speaker 2: this is a seat they want to keep blue. So
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  Speaker 2: this really I think that might be one more signalness.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is is that this I think is
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  Speaker 2: probably is like national implications. Somebody I think was Dave
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  Speaker 2: Weigel recently said that Bernie Sanders won the argument about
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  Speaker 2: why Kamala Harris lost. The argument was that Democrats were
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  Speaker 2: not socialist enough, they were not populist enough, they were
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  Speaker 2: not channeling discontent with the status quo enough, and they
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  Speaker 2: needed to go further to the left. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: a terrible diagnosis, I think spectacularly wrongheaded. But it is
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  Speaker 2: interesting that so many Democrats have bought into this, and
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  Speaker 2: then in the case of Platner, in the case of
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  Speaker 2: assay It, and in the case of most of these
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  Speaker 2: Democratic Socialist Socialists of America candidates, their perception is, ah,
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  Speaker 2: they're the working class, the minority.
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  Speaker 1: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 2: They are very much the university, white collar It's interesting
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  Speaker 2: they said that Platinum was the anti HR department woman candidate,
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  Speaker 2: when in fact that kind of the women who work
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  Speaker 2: in HR at universities and white collar jobs are the
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  Speaker 2: ones who are actually voting for the Democratic Socialist.
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  Speaker 1: Of American style candidates.
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  Speaker 2: Like the Democrats are potentially like, if they keep following
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  Speaker 2: this idea, they may well completely misdiagnose why they lost,
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  Speaker 2: and they may well set themselves up again to make
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  Speaker 2: the same kind of mistake because you look at the numbers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Harris did well amongst college educated voters. The problem is
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  Speaker 2: college educated voters were about forty one percent of the electorate.
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  Speaker 2: You can't that's not enough, and you know, the Trump
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  Speaker 2: did better amongst non college educated. We should also point
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  Speaker 2: out that non college educated voters also includes those who
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  Speaker 2: have some college, so they cut it off at a
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  Speaker 2: college graduate level.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the measurement there.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's great if you're a you know, like,
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  Speaker 2: do you want to do well amongst that demographic? Sure,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not enough to win. So the irony is
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  Speaker 2: that they Democrats may be fooling themselves into believing that
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  Speaker 2: they are nominating people who appeal to blue collar voters,
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  Speaker 2: when in fact they are an even more concentrated level
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  Speaker 2: of support amongst college educated voters, which would simply be
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  Speaker 2: re running the Kamala Harris coalition all over again. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: we conceivably could get the nomination again, although I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's terribly likely, or with just somebody who's Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris ESK but who sounds more socialist.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see how this plays out.
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  Speaker 2: But this is definitely a dynamic to keep an eye
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  Speaker 2: on in democratic primaries, and I suspect as the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty eight race starts taking.
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  Speaker 1: Shape, yeah fascinating.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Gary Peters has suddenly had an epiphany
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  Speaker 3: on Abduel Elsayed. They've known what this guys thoughts since
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  Speaker 3: at least twenty eighteen, when he ran for governor and
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  Speaker 3: lost in the primary to Gretchen Whitmer. This guy's always
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  Speaker 3: been hard left, far left. I think after Platnir, there's
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  Speaker 3: just a lot of people saying, you know, we can't
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  Speaker 3: run this risk. They're looking at the polls, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: they think Elsaiad's a loser in November. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: it goes any more than that now. On a personal level.
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  Speaker 3: Does he more with Hailey Stevens? Probably, but if lsied
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  Speaker 3: was up by twenty points, I don't think he'd be
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  Speaker 3: doing this. And then in terms of I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to disparage everyone who's been to college and graduated from
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  Speaker 3: college college educated voters, especially since both you and I
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  Speaker 3: fit in that category. But it seems like there's just
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  Speaker 3: this weird twist of people who claim to be representing people.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to speak out for the poor, I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to speak out for those who have been discriminated against,
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  Speaker 3: and then the very people they claim to be standing
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  Speaker 3: up for in overwhelming numbers. We saw this in New
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  Speaker 3: York City. We see it in this poll, saying no,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want you, but the college educated liberal whites
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  Speaker 3: just say no, no, no, we know better than you, We
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  Speaker 3: know better than you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My colleague Phil Klein has an item where it's the
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  Speaker 2: headline on his corner post is black voters keep putting
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  Speaker 2: the brakes on the socialist revolution. And it's interesting though,
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  Speaker 2: which African American voters traditionally are very democratic, voting pornographic. However,
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  Speaker 2: they're not socialists. And in fact, we'll recall Bernie Sanders'
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  Speaker 2: momentum just you know, hit a rick wall. The state
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  Speaker 2: of South Carolina. As much as they might be considered
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  Speaker 2: liberal or progressive by a lot of measures, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of African American they're not socialists. They've worked hard for
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  Speaker 2: what they have. And when some guy from Romansa's trust me,
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  Speaker 2: put me in charge and do things the way they
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  Speaker 2: did in Cuba, you know, the whole bunch of African
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  Speaker 2: Americans like, whoa, whoa, whoa, they grabbed their wallet, and
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  Speaker 2: they're kind of the sense of like, we've heard these
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  Speaker 2: big elaborate promises before, usually from some white guy from
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  Speaker 2: the north, and it never works out as well for
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  Speaker 2: us as they promise.
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  Speaker 1: That.
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  Speaker 2: There is a lot of small sea conservatism in African
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  Speaker 2: American voters. They are not big on sweeping radical changes
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  Speaker 2: to overhaul the entire economy, so that it's another dynamic
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  Speaker 2: to keep at work. And I've heard people making the
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  Speaker 2: argument that as much as there might like the question
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  Speaker 2: of what has changed in the political dynamics of the
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  Speaker 2: Early States. By the way, the early state schedule for
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty eight primaries is not set on the
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  Speaker 2: Democratic side, they generally know there's going to be some
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  Speaker 2: sort of regional split. It is largely expected that South
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  Speaker 2: Carolina is going to be the southern state that's going
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  Speaker 2: to go really early.
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  Speaker 1: What's going to change.
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  Speaker 2: You could see somebody doing that Bernie Sanders style victory
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  Speaker 2: in Iowa, New Hampshire and maybe Nevada or someplace like that,
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  Speaker 2: and then hitting the South and then getting crushed, and
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  Speaker 2: whoever the non socialist frontrunner is, like Joe Biden was
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  Speaker 2: back in two thousand, could end up doing quite well.
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  Speaker 3: It'd be very interesting to see how all that shakes out.
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  Speaker 3: Some of that polling's already starting and Kamala still slightly ahead.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's all name recognition or what
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  Speaker 3: that is. I'd be very surprised if she's the choice.
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  Speaker 1: In the end.
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  Speaker 1: All right, jam.
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  Speaker 3: We don't talk a lot lot about votes that don't
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  Speaker 3: pass in the House, but I think this one certainly
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  Speaker 3: warrants it. Yesterday, Thomas Massey of Kentucky offering legislation that
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  Speaker 3: would have eliminated three point three billion dollars in military
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  Speaker 3: aid for Israel. It failed three fourteen to one oh four.
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  Speaker 3: That's I guess a headline. But more significantly, nearly half
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  Speaker 3: of House Democrats now have voted to cut off aid
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  Speaker 3: to Israel, and Politico refers to this as a seismic
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  Speaker 3: shift in political support for the long time US ally.
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  Speaker 3: And you know they will obviously point out those who
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  Speaker 3: voted against it, which included Nancy Pelosi by the way,
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  Speaker 3: not something she had done much in the past. You
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  Speaker 3: know they're going to say, oh, we don't, we don't
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  Speaker 3: oppose Israel or the Israeli people. We just need to
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  Speaker 3: hit the brakes hard on Prime Minister net And yah
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  Speaker 3: who he's out of control of.
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  Speaker 1: YadA, YadA, YadA.
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  Speaker 3: So Jim, this is a party that's deeply fractured on
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  Speaker 3: this issue. The electorate, depending certainly on age and some
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  Speaker 3: other factors, deeply passionate, deeply fractured on this issue. Where's
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  Speaker 3: this gone?
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  Speaker 2: As you say, iron dome, you know the thing that
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  Speaker 2: they use to shoot down incoming rockets. That is that
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  Speaker 2: the military a that you find so because that strikes
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  Speaker 2: me as very defensive, Right, you're trying to blow up
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  Speaker 2: the stuff over the middle of the desert so it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't crash into your cities. I don't see you know
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  Speaker 2: any Democrats want to carve that out. No, okay, Well,
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  Speaker 2: in that case, if you're voting against you know, US
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  Speaker 2: assistance to the Iron Dome program, well, and I guess
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  Speaker 2: you're not really interested in helping the Israelis defend themselves
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  Speaker 2: from Hesbolo Hamas rocket attacks, Iranian rocket attacks, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: You've made your stance, You've made your your your views
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  Speaker 2: on this clear. Look, I get that the democratic activist
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  Speaker 2: class and in particularly the DSA crowd are just rapidly
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  Speaker 2: frothing at the mouth antiy.
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  Speaker 1: Israel these days.
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  Speaker 2: You put this, this really solidified, this really crystallized after
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  Speaker 2: October seventh, right, like you could say that been things
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  Speaker 2: have been drifting in that way for a while. You
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  Speaker 2: can really argue over the past generation or so, the
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  Speaker 2: Republican Party, which by the way, was not always a
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  Speaker 2: consistent support of Israel, has become much more overtly, outspokenly
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  Speaker 2: and you know, unified pro Israel. And traditionally the Democrats
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  Speaker 2: had been the you considered the pro Israel party, and
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  Speaker 2: they kind of been drifting away from this, particularly as
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  Speaker 2: Arab Americans, Muslim Americans and others have become a more
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  Speaker 2: key demographic, particularly in certain states.
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  Speaker 1: We mentioned Michigan earlier.
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  Speaker 2: But boy, you find a defender of Israel in Democratic
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  Speaker 2: Party these days, there's fetterman. Ram Emmanuel is getting kind
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  Speaker 2: of shaky, maybe Josh Shapiro, Like it's the actions of
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  Speaker 2: Ram Emmanuel and Shapiro have made clear you really can't
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  Speaker 2: be a outspoken defender of Israel and be a leader
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  Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party these days. It just you know
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  Speaker 2: that on most measuring sticks, the Democratic Party is anti Israel.
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  Speaker 2: It is vehemently opposed. Now it's supposed to have an
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  Speaker 2: election in Israel later this year. Maybe there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a new prime minister, a new prime minister. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: this is a net Yahoo thing, but Honestly, I'm very skeptical.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see because the same way that everybody says
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  Speaker 2: I'm anti Zionists, that's why I attack that synagogue. I'm
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  Speaker 2: anti Zionists. That's why I tore down the Manora at
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  Speaker 2: Hanukah on the college campus. No, those are not symbols
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  Speaker 2: of his reel. You didn't go down to the Consulate
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  Speaker 2: of the United Nations of Israel, you didn't go down
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  Speaker 2: to the Israeli embassy. You attacked Jews. I think you
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  Speaker 2: say you're anti Zionists, but you function anti Semitic. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that is this animating spirit at the heart
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  Speaker 2: of a lot of what's in the Democratic Party these days.
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  Speaker 1: It is this resentment.
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  Speaker 2: It is this sense that the world is unfair and
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  Speaker 2: that somebody is sinisterly benefiting from all this. And of
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  Speaker 2: course it's the Jews. It's the references to Epstein class,
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  Speaker 2: it's the references to the oligarchy, the favorite word of
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  Speaker 2: Graham Platinir besides Stustavo, this kind of sense that you
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  Speaker 2: but by the fact that the Nazi tattoo is not
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  Speaker 2: automatically disqualifying in the eyes of so many Democrats, and
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  Speaker 2: not just in the state of Maine. He was collecting
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  Speaker 2: donations from small donors all across the country. This is
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  Speaker 2: who the Democratic Party is these days. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: every historian will tell you when anti Semitism flourishes, that's
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  Speaker 2: generally a sign that your society is about to take
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  Speaker 2: a serious shift in the wrong direction and things are
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  Speaker 2: about to get bat A whole bunch of us have
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  Speaker 2: been pushing back against this for a long time. This
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  Speaker 2: vote is one more further indicator that opposition to Israel
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  Speaker 2: is probably the single most animating spirit in foreign policy
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  Speaker 2: discussions of the Democratic Party today, which is a deeply
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  Speaker 2: disturbing state of things when there's so many perfectly legitimate
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  Speaker 2: people in this world to hate Creig.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, the arguments against it range widely, but
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the main reason in my estimation to support
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  Speaker 3: Israel is have you seen the neighborhood?
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  Speaker 1: Who else are you going to support.
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  Speaker 3: In that neighborhood. They're obviously the most rational, They're the
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  Speaker 3: lone democracy. We see eye to eye on a large
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  Speaker 3: number of things, but we don't have to see eye
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  Speaker 3: to eye on everything. There's been plenty of reports about
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  Speaker 3: screaming matches between Trump and net and Yahoo on the phone.
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  Speaker 3: They're going to disagree on stuff, and that's fine. That's
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  Speaker 3: how politics work, that's how diplomacy and even friends work.
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  Speaker 3: You don't agree on everything absolutely all the time. And
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  Speaker 3: so you know, some people saying, oh, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: United States is and now Israel's lapdog again you're having
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  Speaker 3: these confrontations. Other people are saying, oh, well, you're supporting
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  Speaker 3: Israel because you're trying to usher in the end times
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. And God doesn't need to help ushering in
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  Speaker 3: whenever the end times come along, first of all. And secondly, again,
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  Speaker 3: this is about what is best in US national security interests,
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  Speaker 3: and in that region, it is pretty darn clear who
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  Speaker 3: sees eye to eye with us on most issues.
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  Speaker 2: Greg, Why would anyone want to think you want to
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  Speaker 2: usher in the end times?
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  Speaker 1: Not that the beers are good.
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  Speaker 3: See, the argument just falls apart on so many different levels.
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  Speaker 3: we said at the beginning, we don't spend a lot
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: of time listening to Sheldon Whitehouse because he doesn't have
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: anything of great value to say. Of course, I'll always
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: remember him best going through Brett Kavanaugh's yearbook at those
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: hearings now eight years ago, and asking him what boofing meant,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: and all these different things that seventeen year old kids
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: were putting in their jokes in their yearbook comments, and
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: somehow trying to turn it into some sort of rape
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: gang that Brett Kavanaugh was allegedly part of, which was insane.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: But now he was on CNN with Jake Tapper the
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: other day, Jake Tapper actually interviewing not only the most
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: recent accuser of Graham Plattner, this Jenny Rasacott, who accused
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: him of rape. But Rascott was also in that New
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: York Times piece back in June, along with Lindsay Fifield,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: who made accusations against Platner as well. And even now,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: even after Tapper has interviewed both of these people, and
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: after more revelations have come out from both of these women,
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: Sheldon Whitehouse is asked by Tapper, Hey, do you want
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: to take back the fact that you don't think that
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Firefield's allegations were legitimate just because she's on the right politically,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Sheldon Whitehouse, man, check it out.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: I think it's important when you're looking at allegations to
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: and I've done this as a prosecutor for years, to
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: evaluate things like whether there is corroboration, and with respect
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: to the first allegation, there was none. Whether there's motive
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: to mislead or fabricate, there was plenty. The woman was
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: involved in basically a Koch Brothers funded political operation and
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: had been specifically involved in Maine political activities against Platner.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: So yeah, there came a.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Point when the straw broke the camel's back.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: But if we.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Don't look with some professional skepticism at allegations, then I
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: think we have not done our duties. And then when
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: the allegations continue, there comes a point where yeah, you
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: acknowledge that, yes, there's enough here to go forward. That's
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: the way prosecutors think, That's the way I thought about this.
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: We don't have to go back and forth on it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: But as somebody who interviewed her. She did have corroboration.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: She had a number of friends who she told the
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: sad and scary stories two years and years before she
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: had diary entries. There was a number, There was a
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: number of corroborating.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Evidence watching white House's face as Tapper presents the facts. Basically,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I think Sheldon white House got the memo after the
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: original New York Times story that Okay, she's a Republican,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: so we don't have to give her any credibility, And
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: he never got updated talking points, so he's just sticking
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: with that even after everything that's unfold in the last
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: few weeks. But Jim, I don't think we should expect
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: anything less from this game.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Listeners and viewers.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: If there's an awkward break in the tape right around now,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: it's because I let out a long series of loud,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: angry profanities in response to watching that white House tape,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and Greg was find enough to edit it out to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: make this a reasonably family friendly podcast.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I would refer you to.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: The great Mary Catherine Ham on Twitter, who is not
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: a Dennis Miller Andrew dice Clay type when it comes
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: to language, who just let him have it on X
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: earlier today, I will also quote Josh Borrow, who looks
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: at White House and says, I've been telling you people,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: he's the dumbest man in the Senate. He's a central
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: casting politician with hair in a great voice and membership
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: and a fancy beach club and all white beach clubs
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I recall, just remember, you know. And as a result,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: people don't realize he's a moron.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Well I think they do.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: But two, like, dear people of Rhode Island, I've been
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: to your state. It's a lovely state. You have beautiful coastline,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: and I know it's a fairly democratic state. You must
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: have options. You must have somebody else who you can
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: pick to be your senator. I'm not asking for a Republican.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not even I'm just asking, could you send a
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: person who's not a moron? Could you please send someone
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: who's not a moron. My other final two thoughts of
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: this are one, good for Jake Tapper for correcting him
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: on air, you know, not to his face, because they're
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: doing it by remote by by pointing out no, actually
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: she had corroborating evidence that you're just ignoring it right now.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: But secondly, Greg when white House says, we have this
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: professional obligation to be skeptical of politically motivated accusations. Where
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: that was that during the Kavanaugh hearings, all of a sudden, Oh,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: now we're supposed to be skeptic. Oh, he's horrible, he'sah.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I was thinking that somebody have made the comment about
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: herono from Hawaii. Dear Blue States, you have options. You
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: don't have to send these morons back every six years.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Why do you do this? And could you please just
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: just replace? Just find somebody. Look at the phone book.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: There's got to be somebody else out there who's not
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: going to, you know, make say such absolutely horrible things
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: with metronomic regularity. Oh.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I thought you're gonna say metric because I was about
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: to say he makes all this Lincoln Chafey, who was
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: not a great senator either, but he was less infuriating
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: than Sheldon white House.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: For sure. I gotta tell you, with Chaffey, you give
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: him an inch'll take a mile. I'm sorry, you give
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: him a centimeter, they'll take a kilometer.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable. But yes, Sheldon white House humiliating himself again, but
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: he does it on a regular basis. All right, in
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: a minute, the fight over what time it is?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: All right, Jim.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: This week the House attaching to a must pass defense
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: bill adding permanent daylight saving time. They want to make
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: sure we don't switch the clocks ever again. So what
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: it is right now, we would not flip back in
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the fall and so forth, and so people with small kids,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: people with pets, people who just don't like having to
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: adjust to the time change, that's what they want to
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: do now. This is I think a bad idea for
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: a number of reasons. Number one, during the energy crisis
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: of the mid seventies, we tried per in daylight saving
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: time and everybody hated it, and they went back a
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: few months later. Because if you don't switch the clocks
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: in the fall, your sunrises in the winter become very
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: very late. In some places it would be after nine am.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: And also there are states that do have the same
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: time year round, and they stay on standard time. So
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure why everybody's insistent. I'm banging their heads
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: against the wall here. But what do you make of it?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I would love to hear. First
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: of all, do I get annoyed by spring forward?
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Do I love that extra hours of sleep? During fall back. Yes,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I love that too, So you know they ended all
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: balances out. You know, I've heard, you know, in a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: couple of months we'll be doing the old It was
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: a very good joke for you know, doing the Simon
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and Garfunkle song. Hello darkness, mile friend, what are you
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: doing here? It's four pm? You know, like we don't
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: like it when the sun goes down really really early,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden in the fall.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, if you.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Do that, if you don't do this, as you said,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: kids are going to the school bus and it's still
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: dark out like they try.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: If somebody's old things are different.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Now there's a reason we're going to get a different
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: result than we did back in the nineteen seventies. I'm
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: open to that argument, but I don't really think. I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: don't think anything's going to be any different. I was
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: thinking back the other day, like there was this argument
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: for a long time that you legalize prostitution, problems with
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: sex trafficking, child sex trafficking, and abuse of pimps and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff that'll go away. You legalize it,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: you clean it up, everything's good. Wouldn't that be better? Well,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I don't love that idea, but I was willing to
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: be open to the idea. A bunch of European countries
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: did it. Unfortunately, sex trafficking, sex abuse and all that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: stuff did increase. The use of the organized crime did
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: not go away. And what it was was, once you
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: legalize prostitution, surprise surprise, demand went up. Demand went up.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: All kinds of bad people came in to fill the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: vacuum of that demand.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I've opened to you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: It's one of those things if there are a whole
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: bunch of ideas in life that we think should work,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and then we put them into practice and they don't work.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: I have a sneaking suspicion that when we do this change,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: we're going to go through the nineteen seventies all over again.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: You're probably going to have people having bad accidents because
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: they're driving in the dark in the morning and it's
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: not as bright as they're used to, or God forbid,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: some issues with school buses kids walk from school. It's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: probably not gonna work out very well. I guess I'm
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: willing to try it again, but I don't expect things
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: to change any differently. And this, also, by the way,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: comes across as a government that is like, oh, we're
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: not very popular right now, quick, let's make this change.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: And by the way, also, if you're gonna do this,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: do it in spring. Don't right, We'll like the fall
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: back part. We'll like that extra hour to sleep.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: No, that's exactly right.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: And you know the thing that people need to realize
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: is it seems like it would make sense in the
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: summertime because there's more daylight in the summertime. People that
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: somehow don't realize that there's a much smaller amount of
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: daylight when you get to December in the winter months.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: But great, do you get the feeling if Congress had
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the oppertate, we're just going to buy legislation, We're going
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to change the axis of the earth.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: We're just going to change the way the earth rotates.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Not all.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe we just need to mandate basic scientific education so
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: we can explain all this. But you're right about wanting
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to look like they're doing something. And remember when they
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: were ignising during the Bush years where they couldn't get
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: hardly anything done there for a while, and all of
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: a sudden, the do Not Call list became the most
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: urgent priority in stopping telemarketers which was a good idea.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it worked, but everybody could leap
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: to that in twenty four hours, whereas some other stuff
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: just couldn't quite get to the finish line. But anyway,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: hopefully they don't mess this up, but it's Congress, so
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: they probably will. Jim, see you tomorrow, See tomorrow, Greg,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Jim Garretty, National Review. I'm Greg Corumbus of Radio America.
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