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‘Tech Tuesday’ with Mike Dobuski | America’s Safest Cities · The Bill Handel Show

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Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty Bill Handle Here. It is a
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Speaker 2: Tuesday Morning Taco Tuesday, October twenty one. Some of the
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Speaker 2: stories we're looking at. Unfortunately it's October twenty one. It's
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Speaker 2: also a twenty first day of the government shutdown, and
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Speaker 2: that is a little rough for a whole lot of
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Speaker 2: government employees, some of which I think four thousand and
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Speaker 2: it will be up to ten thousand we're being told
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Speaker 2: are simply being fired as part of the move to
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Speaker 2: reduce the workforce.
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Speaker 1: And of course we'll be talking about that later on.
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Speaker 2: But now it's Tech Tuesday with Mike Duboski, ABC News
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Speaker 2: reporter and tech Maven out of New York.
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Speaker 1: Mike, good morning, Thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, good morning.
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Speaker 1: How are you all right?
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Speaker 2: The big news is the AWS meltdown, and it is
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Speaker 2: absolutely enormous. And so here's my first question. Because they
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Speaker 2: are known, I think they're the world's biggest company that
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Speaker 2: does cloud computing. They are, and you know, I'm very
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Speaker 2: confused because I thought your information in the clouds were
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Speaker 2: in the clouds and that's not how it works, is it?
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Speaker 2: And if you could explain how this actually works and
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Speaker 2: then what happened and what's going on right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sure.
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Speaker 3: So if you're a small business, let's say you want
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Speaker 3: to open a cafe in downtown Los Angeles or what
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Speaker 3: have you, it doesn't really make economic sense for you
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Speaker 3: to spin up like a computer server to run your
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Speaker 3: payroll or to run your payments processing or whatever else
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Speaker 3: it is you do online. It kind of makes more
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Speaker 3: economic sense for a lot of companies to outsource that
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Speaker 3: work to someone who knows what they're doing, you know,
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Speaker 3: a Microsoft or a Google, or in this case, an Amazon,
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Speaker 3: which accounts for the largest chunk of the cloud computing service.
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Speaker 3: This is a service that works, you know, ninety nine
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Speaker 3: percent of the time. The reason that Amazon accounts for
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Speaker 3: about thirty seven percent of this market and Google and
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Speaker 3: Microsoft account for another third of it goes back to
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Speaker 3: the idea that they run really robust systems that don't
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Speaker 3: go down ninety nine percent of the time. Well, yesterday,
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Speaker 3: in the case of Amazon, we saw that one percent
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Speaker 3: of the time crop up when an issue with specifically
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Speaker 3: their DNS cropped up. This is a domain name service. Basically,
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Speaker 3: to make a very technical thing kind of simple it
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Speaker 3: is a piece of technology that translates human language into
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Speaker 3: something that a computer can understand. It's what you type
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Speaker 3: into a web browser being translated into an IP address.
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Speaker 3: So that is the sort of nature of the problem.
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Speaker 3: We don't know specifically what went wrong with it, but
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Speaker 3: that's what went down, and it created these sort of
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Speaker 3: knock on effects throughout the day. Because Amazon Web Services
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Speaker 3: is so big and it hosts so many different you know,
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Speaker 3: servers and technologies out there, you break one thing, it
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Speaker 3: actually ends up breaking like four or five things. So
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Speaker 3: there is like a kind of knock on effect to
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Speaker 3: whack a mole situation going on where Amazon engineers fix
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Speaker 3: the main problem pretty quickly and then you know, realize
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Speaker 3: these later problems down the line. The good news is
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Speaker 3: that most things are resolved at this point. A quick
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Speaker 3: look at down detector right now finds that most of
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Speaker 3: the major players who are experiencing issues yesterday among them
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Speaker 3: then most Snapchat, Microsoft three sixty five, Google It excuse
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Speaker 3: me a zoom, I should say not Google, But like,
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Speaker 3: these are all systems that are now running relatively normally,
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Speaker 3: and you know, the people are somewhat back to normal.
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Speaker 3: You're a Starbucks order on the app should work this morning.
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Speaker 2: Now, when you say thirty percent of the market that
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Speaker 2: Amazon has, is that just the American market? Are we
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Speaker 2: talking internationally?
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Speaker 3: It's the global market and I was talking to it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I was talking to a friend of mine who is
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Speaker 3: a tech journalist in the UK, and they actually experienced
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Speaker 3: this in a much more acute way because they're ahead
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Speaker 3: of us. This outage actually happened for you guys kind
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Speaker 3: of in the overnight hours. For us here on the
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Speaker 3: East Coast, it was just after three am, and most
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Speaker 3: of America asleep at that point, so the sort of
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Speaker 3: initial wave of problems were only noticed by people who
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Speaker 3: were up at that time. Of course, we started to
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Speaker 3: see more reports trickle in, you know, nine o'clock, ten o'clock,
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Speaker 3: as people go to work and figure out, you know, hey,
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Speaker 3: this thing I had access to, I don't have access
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Speaker 3: to anymore. Well, in the UK, that hit their government systems, right,
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Speaker 3: the website that controls their equivalent of the IRS went
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Speaker 3: down in part because of this, So, you know, it
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Speaker 3: really does underscore exactly how much influence Amazon has in
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Speaker 3: this particular market. We saw similar stories come out of
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Speaker 3: continental Europe and beyond. In Australia as well.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is astounding how big this is.
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Speaker 2: Now, if I'm not mistaken, this AWS accounts for more
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Speaker 2: money and more profit than the retail end of Amazon itself.
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Speaker 1: Do I have that right? It does. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: We often think of Amazon as like this e commerce website,
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Speaker 3: that's where they make their money. Of course, that's the
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Speaker 3: public facing component of their business. But when you actually
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Speaker 3: look at their profits, the majority of them come from AWS,
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Speaker 3: from this cloud computing service. Amazon is a cloud computing
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Speaker 3: company before it's an e commerce retailer. That's the long
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Speaker 3: and short of it.
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Speaker 1: And you know that.
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Speaker 3: Again is something I don't think a lot of people
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Speaker 3: understand it. It's really important episode now, this cloud servicing.
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Speaker 2: It has to do with these massive forms of computers
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Speaker 2: that keep my information, your information's process things.
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Speaker 1: I'm almost thinking.
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Speaker 2: That the world of computing is growing far much quicker
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Speaker 2: than their ability than people like the WS or companies
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Speaker 2: to deal with it and the amount of energy that
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Speaker 2: it takes.
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Speaker 1: You want to talk about.
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Speaker 3: That, yeah, So I think that there are certainly protocols
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Speaker 3: that companies like Amazon can implement to make sure that
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Speaker 3: they're not shipping out faulty code that breaks things like
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Speaker 3: we saw yesterday, or maybe they raise the standards in
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Speaker 3: the coding for you know, how they deal with third
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Speaker 3: parties and what have you. We also, so in recent years,
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Speaker 3: have seen generative artificial intelligence play a bigger role in
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Speaker 3: sort of like entry level coding, in fact taking the
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Speaker 3: place of entry level coders at many tech companies. However,
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Speaker 3: humans are imperfect, right, They're going to ship out improper
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Speaker 3: code every once in a while, and so is generative
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Speaker 3: artificial intelligence. Despite the fact that we talk about it
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Speaker 3: all the time as this transformative technology, it's still pretty
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Speaker 3: bad at a lot of things and hallucinates and makes
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Speaker 3: mistakes frequently. And that means that in the same way
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Speaker 3: that you come across a typo in the newspaper every
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Speaker 3: once in a while, or your order at Starbucks is incorrect,
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Speaker 3: you're going to see disruptions like this. This, unfortunately, is
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Speaker 3: just a way of life right now. As we said,
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Speaker 3: this is not unusual. We did not see the stock
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Speaker 3: price of Amazon move yesterday in any sort of dramatic
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Speaker 3: way despite all the dysfunctionality that people were seeing on
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Speaker 3: the ground, meaning investors were not spooked by this, perhaps
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Speaker 3: thinking that this is part of just the normal course
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Speaker 3: of business. It is frustrating, no doubt, but it is
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Speaker 3: not unusual. I do think the big takeaway here has
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Speaker 3: to come with their market power, right. We talked about
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Speaker 3: this a little bit before the break. Amazon accounts for
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Speaker 3: about thirty seven percent of the cloud computing market. Another
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Speaker 3: third goes to just two companies, Microsoft and Google. We've
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Speaker 3: centralized a lot of power in the hands of just
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Speaker 3: a few companies, and when something goes wrong, it's going
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Speaker 3: to have big ripple effects, an outsized effect. When you know,
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Speaker 3: a flaw crops up like this DNS problem did yesterday,
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Speaker 3: Do they.
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Speaker 1: Know what caused it? Was it just a glitch in
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Speaker 1: the system? Yeah?
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Speaker 3: Or okay, it was not a cyber attack, I think
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Speaker 3: is the important thing to say. Amazon came out very quickly,
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Speaker 3: you know, at the beginning of yesterday and said this
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Speaker 3: is a tech issue. This isn't you know, any nefarious
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Speaker 3: actors or foreign governments or anything like that. This is
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Speaker 3: just something that went wrong, frankly, and we don't know
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Speaker 3: the specific nature of what went wrong, but we know
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Speaker 3: it has to do with their domain name service. This
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Speaker 3: is again a technology that translates you know, human language,
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Speaker 3: KFI dot com abcnews dot com, for example, into something
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Speaker 3: that a computer can understand, into an IP address or
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Speaker 3: an Internet protocol, basically a big string of numbers that
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Speaker 3: tells the computer where to go on the internet, where
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Speaker 3: to direct your request. That is what went wrong. And
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Speaker 3: then obviously, you know, you break one thing in the
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Speaker 3: morning and it actually ends up breaking like four or
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Speaker 3: five other things. So you saw this kind of play
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Speaker 3: out over the course of the day. And in fact,
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Speaker 3: right now we're actually seeing, according to down Detector, some
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Speaker 3: things related to Amazon Web services start to report more problems.
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Speaker 3: I think we're just going to be dealing with this
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Speaker 3: for the next you know, few hours, at least the
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Speaker 3: next few days, perhaps as Amazon continues to figure out,
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Speaker 3: you know, the long tail effect of this large break
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Speaker 3: yesterday morning.
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Speaker 2: All right, So let's say I'm a business and I
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Speaker 2: rely on AWS to keep my business going, and I
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Speaker 2: can prove that this outage cost me money.
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Speaker 1: Do I have any chance?
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Speaker 2: Do I have any mechanism of making a claim and saying, hey,
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Speaker 2: I want my three hundred dollars, I want my ten
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars that you cost me.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's a really good quie question. We have
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Speaker 3: not really heard anything on that front. You know, I
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Speaker 3: think that a point against that type of class action
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Speaker 3: lawsuit or that legal action would be the fact that,
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Speaker 3: like this happens to everyone, and this happens somewhat frequently. Right,
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Speaker 3: Amazon Web Services itself went down in a very similar
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Speaker 3: way back in twenty twenty three, and in twenty twenty one,
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Speaker 3: and in twenty twenty. Microsoft and Google have dealt with this.
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Speaker 3: We talked about crowd Strike earlier, which is that cybersecurity
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Speaker 3: outfit that shipped a faulty bit of code. You know,
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Speaker 3: this is going to happen to some degree or another.
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Speaker 3: I think the lesson that those businesses can take here
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Speaker 3: has more to do with diversification. Right, instead of putting
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Speaker 3: all your eggs, your all your cloud computing into you
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Speaker 3: know AWS, maybe you put like two eggs into that basket,
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Speaker 3: and then two eggs into the Google basket, and then
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Speaker 3: maybe another one into you know, a smaller How do
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Speaker 3: you do that?
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Speaker 1: How do you do that with one business? It's very easy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, let's go back to like the cafe example
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Speaker 3: that we were talking about earlier. You know, you do
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Speaker 3: different things online with your small business. Is payments processing,
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Speaker 3: some as payroll, some as you know, menus or ordering
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Speaker 3: or whatever it happens to be. Well, okay, one feature
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Speaker 3: can be hosted on this service, another future can be
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Speaker 3: hosted over here. Does that increase your costs? Well, you
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Speaker 3: gotta have to You're gonna have to answer that for yourself.
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Speaker 3: But like that's a way to guard against, you know,
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Speaker 3: your entire business going offline if one of these major
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Speaker 3: companies sees a disruption.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Mike, thank you. That was a terrific way
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Speaker 2: of explaining this to us. We'll talk again next week.
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Speaker 1: Sounds good care, I have a good one.
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Speaker 2: ABC News reporter Mike Dubuski. Boy, he knows this stuff,
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Speaker 2: doesn't he. Okay, now, while it hub, I just did
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Speaker 2: a just publish a survey to determine where people can
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Speaker 2: feel the most secure.
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Speaker 1: What city is the safest?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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Speaker 2: Because there's so many indicators, It's like America is the greatest, okay,
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Speaker 2: in what regard For example, they looked at one hundred
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Speaker 2: and eighty cities. There were forty one indicators of safety.
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Speaker 2: The number of mass shootings is one of them. Thefts
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Speaker 2: per capita is another one. How about the number of
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Speaker 2: law enforcement employees? So when people think about safety, minds
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Speaker 2: immediately go to crime rate, auto fatality rate, risk of
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Speaker 2: natural disasters. Well, the CEO of wallet Hub, a guy
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Speaker 2: the named of Chip Lupo, said, the safest cities in
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Speaker 2: America protect residents from these threats of bodily.
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Speaker 1: Harm and property damage.
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Speaker 2: But on top of that, how about securing people's financial safety.
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Speaker 2: You don't think of that, and that includes minimizing the
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Speaker 2: risk of fraud. What city is the safest in terms
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Speaker 2: of fraud, identity, theft, keeping people ensured, the keeping people employed,
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Speaker 2: what's the employment rate, how many ensured people? Combating homelessness?
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Speaker 2: And they look at well, of course we're looking at
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Speaker 2: California and we're not that safe. According to the study,
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Speaker 2: the safest cities in America were this is so random, Warwick,
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Speaker 2: Rhode Island the safest, So you can move to Rhode Island,
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Speaker 2: Overland Park, Kansas, Burlington, Vermont, Juno, Alaska. You have very
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Speaker 2: few break ins during the winter, for example, no one
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Speaker 2: goes out, so that goes in Yonkers, New York the
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Speaker 2: least safest cities in the US. Looking at all of
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Speaker 2: the criteria, Baltimore is the most dangerous city in the country.
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Speaker 2: Then Detroit, then Baton Rouge, then Memphis, then New Orleans.
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Speaker 1: So let's look forward. California rank sort of in the middle.
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Speaker 2: Santa Rosa fourteenth safest, and Irvine and Jula Vista, then Fremont,
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Speaker 2: and it goes on and on and on. Anything ocean
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Speaker 2: in southern California. Yeah, Glendale thirty six and thirty thirty
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Speaker 2: sixth Oceanside Garden Grove. By the way, the city of
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles was on one hundred and fifty six in
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Speaker 2: the survey, LA being not particularly safe now it also
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Speaker 2: depends on what neighborhood you're in. How many neighborhoods do
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Speaker 2: they look at? You know, if you live in a
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Speaker 2: nice neighborhood. I live in a nice neighborhood. I live
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Speaker 2: in a gated community. I have killer German shepherds that
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Speaker 2: eat people when I got a.
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Speaker 1: Point and go eat.
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Speaker 2: So, Neil, do you feel safe because you live like
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Speaker 2: in South Central and you know all the drug dealers,
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Speaker 2: the homeless people in your neighborhood by name?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I wouldn't live here if I didn't feel safe.
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Speaker 1: But is it the safest place.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: LA's got a lot of issues, big time issues that
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Speaker 1: aren't being dealt with.
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Speaker 2: And this, and there's the size of the city count.
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Speaker 2: Of course it does.
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Speaker 1: Amy. Do you feel safe where you live? Relatively? But
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Speaker 1: not as much as I used to? Okay, and that's
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Speaker 1: because it was that the neighborhood. It's just everything, Okay,
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Speaker 1: you see sketchy. Okay, all right, that's fair, that's fair. Kno.
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Speaker 1: Do you feel safe in your tent where you live? Hey?
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Speaker 2: Sambernido's one seventy five on the list, so plenty safe.
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Speaker 1: Well also sam Berdino. By the way, if you a great.
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Speaker 2: Place if you happen to be a meth user, if
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Speaker 2: you're a tweaker, what a place to live?
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Speaker 1: What I like to work hard and be a nice person.
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Speaker 1: I was yesterday, I was on my way or was
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Speaker 1: it yesterday a couple of days ago?
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Speaker 2: On I was on my way to Marongo where Tim
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Speaker 2: Conway's birthday is every year. He does it at Marongo,
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Speaker 2: A great casino out there. And you go through the
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Speaker 2: Inland Empire, and what do you see. You see fulfillment
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Speaker 2: centers I mean Amazon, like huge.
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Speaker 1: Warehouses where they do fulfillments.
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Speaker 2: Then you see houses that look like they've been blown
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Speaker 2: up because those meth labs there did blow up, so
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Speaker 2: you see a lot of those.
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Speaker 1: You feel safe? Yeah? Safe?
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, will I don't even know what part of
15:24
Speaker 2: the town, part of the town you live in. I
15:27
Speaker 2: live right around the corner from your old high school,
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Speaker 2: right near Birmingham, right there. Yeah, it used to be
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Speaker 2: very safe area and now you die.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. Yeah, the park's a little sketchy. Yeah sketchy.
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Speaker 1: That's the way you will. Yeah, for sure. And I
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Speaker 1: do feel safe. I probably shouldn't though, Yeah you shouldn't.
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Speaker 1: It's I'll tell you.
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Speaker 2: When you don't feel safe is when a gun is
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Speaker 2: put to your head, even in the middle of my.
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Speaker 4: House at three thirty in the morning, and I just
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Speaker 4: all right, I don't think twice okay, fair enough, all right,
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Speaker 4: I want to end our show with a story.
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I'm taking phone calls at the
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Speaker 2: end of the show. I haven't done that in a
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Speaker 2: little while, and I will be answering marginal legal questions
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Speaker 2: with marginal legal advice. You call in, and we'll do
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Speaker 2: that off the air for future broadcasts right after the show,
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Speaker 2: and that'll be eight hundred or eight seven seven, five
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Speaker 2: two zero eleven fifty. I'll tell you a little bit
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Speaker 2: more about that in the next segment.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, baby, I'd answer this. Okay, enough of that.
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Speaker 2: So Indian music, why, Well, we know the h one
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Speaker 2: B visa that the administration is really can't camp clamping down.
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Speaker 2: How about one hundred thousand dollars fee? Right, we know
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Speaker 2: about that. But another thing that they're clamping down on
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Speaker 2: is not just the work visa but the student visas.
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Speaker 1: Now, the number one group.
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Speaker 2: Of people that are coming into this country to study
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Speaker 2: is not the Chinese students, Indian students. And the government
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Speaker 2: is being really selective. Well they're not even mean selective,
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Speaker 2: they just don't want them. And how do they stop
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Speaker 2: Indian students from coming in?
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Speaker 1: You can't say because they're Indian. You can say.
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Speaker 2: Because you're here, and what you're going to do is
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Speaker 2: look for work here and not go back home and
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Speaker 2: then get your job there. Because the student visa is
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Speaker 2: to study here and then leave. That's what we want
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Speaker 2: you to do, because we don't want you competing with
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Speaker 2: American workers.
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Speaker 1: Now, these are high tech visas.
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Speaker 2: The student it's always STEM, it's always science, computing, engineering,
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Speaker 2: et cetera.
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Speaker 1: So I don't have any.
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Speaker 2: Jobs available in that kind of rarefied air. But maybe
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, we don't look, we don't
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Speaker 2: have the stats yet because it's too new what the
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Speaker 2: Trump administration is doing and has done. But here's how
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Speaker 2: they do it. They deny visa applications. That's how they
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Speaker 2: do it. And the government has unbridled power to say no,
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Speaker 2: you're not coming in.
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Speaker 1: That's what the FEDS do.
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Speaker 2: They've always done that, or they've always had that ability
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Speaker 2: that there are no lawsuits are going to be filed
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Speaker 2: against Indian students or against the government saying no to
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Speaker 2: Indian students or anyone else. Because the premise is, and
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Speaker 2: it's a good premise, you're here to study.
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Speaker 1: That's it. So they deny the visa. And the reason
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Speaker 1: is basically the same.
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Speaker 2: You don't have enough ties in your country of origin,
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Speaker 2: you don't have enough opportunity to work. You cannot prove
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Speaker 2: that you're only here for education.
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Speaker 1: That's how they do it. So if you're Indian.
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Speaker 2: And the numbers are dropping, I mean precipitously in terms
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Speaker 2: of the Indian students that are not coming here, and
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Speaker 2: so we won't be hearing those songs coming out of
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Speaker 2: dorms anymore, which is really tough.
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Speaker 1: I just love those. Okay, we're done, guys.
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Speaker 2: Coming up there, you go, yeah, baby, yeah, yeah, Okay,
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Speaker 2: we're done. It's a handle on the law, marginal legal
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Speaker 2: You can call right now eight seven seven five to
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Speaker 2: zero eleven fifty where I'm going to give you marginal
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Speaker 2: legal advice because sometimes on Saturdays we're jammed and you
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Speaker 2: can't get in. All right, Tomorrow morning we do this again,
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Speaker 2: Amy and Will and that's from five to six wake
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Speaker 2: up call, and then Neil and I come aboard at
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Speaker 2: six right about two now, and then Cono and and
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Speaker 2: Well actually we could. Didn't get a better crew in there,
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Speaker 2: but we don't have any. We'll be here again tomorrow, guys.
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Speaker 2: This is handle on the law.
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Speaker 1: No it's not.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes it is. Because I'm starting to take handle
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Speaker 2: on the law.
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Speaker 1: It will be handled on the loss. That's okay. So
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Speaker 1: I have a tense issue.
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Speaker 2: Okay, this is handle on the law, and it is
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Speaker 1: You've been listening to the Bill Handle Show.
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