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The Bizarrely Disturbing History of People Jumping Out of Cake · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so much
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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Would like to open today's episode by saying, Hey,
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Speaker 1: shout out to everyone who is celebrating a birthday or
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Speaker 1: just celebrated one, or celebrating an anniversary. Shout out to
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Speaker 1: all those kids class of twenty who just graduated. Great job, guys, Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully you still enjoyed this tremendous milestone despite
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Speaker 1: the different social distancing you know, laws in effect. Hi,
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Speaker 1: I'm Ben, Hey Ben, I'm no Ben. Did you ever
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Speaker 1: have a birthday where someone popped for a human being
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Speaker 1: to pop out of your cake? Uh? No, not, not
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Speaker 1: that I'm aware of it, And I'm pretty glad I
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Speaker 1: didn't because, you know, not to sound too much like
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Speaker 1: a germophobe, but I'd be worried about eating the cake afterward,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean, you know it's true. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there are measures that historical measures even that have been
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Speaker 1: put in place, but they're all a bit on the
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Speaker 1: blunt instrument side, you know what I mean. Like, I
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Speaker 1: don't find that any of them were particularly precise or
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Speaker 1: well thought out. Um, but yeah, I've never had a
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Speaker 1: human being pop out of a cake in my presence,
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Speaker 1: scantily clad female or otherwise. I I would, honestly, I
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Speaker 1: don't like surprises. First of all, I don't like jump scares,
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Speaker 1: as they call them in the horror movie genre, So
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Speaker 1: I would be a little irritated if someone did that
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Speaker 1: for me. I would. I would call it more doing
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Speaker 1: it to me. It's a weird it's so, I know,
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Speaker 1: and I wish we would save this, honestly for weird
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Speaker 1: historical flexes, which I think will be rearing It's weird
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Speaker 1: exy head again in the near future. But for now,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot to this story, the weird, dark and
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Speaker 1: troubling history of women popping out of cakes. Who knew?
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Speaker 1: Who knew? Uh? I think I, like many of us,
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Speaker 1: had sort of assumed this was one of those old
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Speaker 1: saws that maybe really happened once, and then it became
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Speaker 1: embellished as the years went on. Oh, we should check
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Speaker 1: super producer Casey Pegram. Have you, in fact had someone
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Speaker 1: jump out of a cake at a celebration in on
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Speaker 1: your Behalf? I have not had a direct personal experience
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Speaker 1: of this, however. Um The first thing that came to mind,
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Speaker 1: was the sequence in the Steven Seagal vehicle under Siege?
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Speaker 1: What did it involve a spray of machine gun fire?
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Speaker 1: It did? Indeed, after pretty soon after the cake jumping
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Speaker 1: event occurred, I think, yeah, wait, wait, wait, did uh
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Speaker 1: Steven Seagal's character whatever his name is in this Uh
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Speaker 1: did Steven Seagal's character jump out of the cake and
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Speaker 1: shoot guns? Because that would be dope objectively? Uh? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I have to I have to fess up.
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Speaker 1: I don't even remember if it's him that jumps out
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Speaker 1: of the cake or like a bad guy, or it's
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Speaker 1: actually just like a model or something that does it.
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Speaker 1: But there's something involving cake jumping on a cruise shop.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. Casey uh, casey on the case. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: with that one, we're going to get to a historical
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Speaker 1: precedent that that was paying homage to. That is not
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Speaker 1: the the the only, the lone example of a of
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Speaker 1: someone popping out of a of a cake and and
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Speaker 1: and shooting machine guns. Did you reach, guys realize that
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Speaker 1: Under Siege was a pretty unsuccessful uh franchise? If I'm
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Speaker 1: not mistaken. Wasn't there a sequel to under Siege? Did
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Speaker 1: it involve be a different type of vehicle being under siege?
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Speaker 1: Wasn't the first one a ship and the second one
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Speaker 1: was like a train? Maybe that I make that up?
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Speaker 1: Under se You are correct, No, under Siege to Dark
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Speaker 1: Territory ve Uh. It also had Steven Seagal in it.
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Speaker 1: He was playing Casey right back. Uh hopefully not uh,
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Speaker 1: not related to our own Casey. But I don't want
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Speaker 1: to put you in a box. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: put you in a cake here, Casey. I don't want
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Speaker 1: you to be in a corner. So if you want to, uh,
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Speaker 1: if you want to do a remake, a reboot of
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Speaker 1: under Siege, I morally support you, not financially, but morally,
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Speaker 1: just for the record. Under Siege one ship, under Siege
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Speaker 1: to train. So wait a second, they did get Seagull
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Speaker 1: for the second one. Yeah, that's why I'm saying they
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Speaker 1: have the train and Seagal. It makes me wonder, Casey,
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Speaker 1: if you're thinking of some sort of really direct to
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Speaker 1: DVD third under Siege movie that we've all completely forgotten about,
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Speaker 1: this could be. This could be. I mean, if you
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Speaker 1: see the stuff Segall is doing now, it's it's pretty
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Speaker 1: impressively terrible, especially his music videos, which are a story
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Speaker 1: for another day. I want to get back to the
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Speaker 1: cake aspect here, because you know, it's true. This even
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Speaker 1: though we've seen this as a trope in a lot
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Speaker 1: of film, TV shows, cartoons and go on, uh, it
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Speaker 1: really does happen. It's actually happened in the past. It's
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Speaker 1: actually happening in the modern day, especially in place in
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Speaker 1: you know, like dens of hives of scum and villainy
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Speaker 1: like Vegas. Nowadays, the cakes are usually made from a
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Speaker 1: sort of flimsy cardboard. I think that's part of the
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Speaker 1: the health precautions that that we alluded to earlier. But
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Speaker 1: it turns out that people have been putting not just people,
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Speaker 1: but other living things in food for the purpose of
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Speaker 1: you know, um, snickers and giggles. Since we're family show
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Speaker 1: for for hundreds and hundreds of years, like our first
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Speaker 1: our first look at this takes us all the way
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Speaker 1: back to ancient Rome. Correct. Yeah, And and I have
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Speaker 1: a personal real problem with this situation for obvious reasons
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Speaker 1: that if anyone's longtime listeners will very quickly queue into um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's true. Revelers in ancient rome Um would often serve
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Speaker 1: up bizarrely decadent dishes at these kind of gluttony parties,
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Speaker 1: you know, these sort of back and aals that were
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Speaker 1: rife with drunkenness and even you know, overeating to the
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Speaker 1: point of vomiting. You know, we all know about that
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Speaker 1: and the idea of these vomitoriums. It was a real
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Speaker 1: time of excess, and they would often uh like these
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Speaker 1: these chefs I guess or these you know, um royal
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Speaker 1: caterers or whatever, would try to like one up each
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Speaker 1: other by putting weirder and weirder creatures into these dishes,
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Speaker 1: stuffing them, uh, serving up well, they would actually first
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Speaker 1: of all cook the actual animals. Will get to the
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Speaker 1: live aspect of it later, but things like peacocks or ostriches.
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Speaker 1: I have had Ostrich jerkey. I think you have to
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Speaker 1: Ben because you're kind of the jerky guy. You're the
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Speaker 1: exotic jerky guy. Ostritch Pretty pretty okay. I can get
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Speaker 1: behind that. Um dor mice. What's a dormouse? I know
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Speaker 1: it's that character from uh they say, dead as a dormouse,
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Speaker 1: isn't it a character from Alice in Wonderland? Isn't an
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Speaker 1: actual mouse? I don't know. We'll get to that in
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Speaker 1: a little bit, but maybe not. I'm I'm I'm holding
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Speaker 1: off from interceding, but but I will jump in to
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Speaker 1: hit those two points. Yeah, there are actual dor mice.
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Speaker 1: And then also, jerky guy UM is a little bit misleading.
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Speaker 1: I just tend to eat a lot of weird stuff
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Speaker 1: in my weird adventures um, And actually, you know I'm not.
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Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest jerky fan. It's interesting in game because,
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Speaker 1: like with sausage, UM, jerky from game Animals is usually
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Speaker 1: just cover with spices to kind of get rid of
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Speaker 1: the taste, but ostrich itself if you can get it fresh.
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Speaker 1: Not bad, not bad at all. It's almost got more
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Speaker 1: of a beef like quality to it because it's a
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Speaker 1: very dark meat, because it's obviously a very lean animal,
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Speaker 1: and it almost tastes more like steak or something. But Ben,
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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to mischaracterize you as the jerky guy.
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Speaker 1: I just meant that you are probably one of the
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Speaker 1: people who, in my life I've known to have eaten
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Speaker 1: the most unusual of jerkys. So that let me caveat that.
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Speaker 1: But I like where you're going with this because we
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Speaker 1: know that food has always been and you know, as
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Speaker 1: much of an occasion as it has been a sustenance,
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Speaker 1: particularly for the elites of the world. Right. Uh, like
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Speaker 1: a lot of medieval cuisine this will baffle people, but
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Speaker 1: a lot of medieval cuisine, uh placed this huge emphasis
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Speaker 1: on making things taste like things. They weren't so making
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Speaker 1: foul tastes like fish and so on. They were. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they were always David Copperfield esque stunts, you know, like, um,
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Speaker 1: like we we see the the modern version of this
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Speaker 1: interur ducking. Right, that's that's the one where it's like
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Speaker 1: a what is it, It's a chicken stuffed inside a
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Speaker 1: duck inside a turkey. Well, I think it's gotta go
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Speaker 1: Russian nesting doll styles, so it would be the biggest
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Speaker 1: on the outside. So I think the turkey would be
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Speaker 1: the outside, and the duck inside the turkey and the
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Speaker 1: chicken inside the duck. So okay, So like I said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: because a chicken give me smaller, right U? Yeah, so
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Speaker 1: likes this is an old, old practice. People have been
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Speaker 1: stuffing an animal inside another one, uh, since the days
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Speaker 1: of Rome, since the glory that was room. Yeah, it's true.
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Speaker 1: Um and and and uh you know, today's episode is
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Speaker 1: obviously about live things human or otherwise, um popping out
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Speaker 1: of other things, and we're definitely gonna get to that.
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Speaker 1: But there was a whole period to where you know,
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Speaker 1: the pageantry of these uh, these dinner parties was really
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Speaker 1: on full display. Um. Chefs would even create these kind
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Speaker 1: of imaginary creatures known as cock and tress, which was
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Speaker 1: like this just bizarre kind of Norman Batesy kind of
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Speaker 1: splicing of like a pig and a chicken um into
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Speaker 1: this totally new animal. And then there was also a
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Speaker 1: historian named Patronius wrote of all of these dishes that
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Speaker 1: were made to look like they were still alive, this
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Speaker 1: idea of fish swimming in the sea of sauce using
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Speaker 1: some maccabb kind of you know mechanism, and and and
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Speaker 1: a rabbit that had birds wings sewn onto it made
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Speaker 1: to look like some sort of bizarre pegasus. Uh. But
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Speaker 1: then Ben, we get into the period of of medieval times,
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Speaker 1: and you made a really good point earlier, this idea
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Speaker 1: of stuff tasting like other things. Um. One thing that
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Speaker 1: there's a really great show called Heston Blooman Falls Feast
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Speaker 1: or something like that, and he's this really interesting chef
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Speaker 1: out of the UK who's all about like kind of
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Speaker 1: tricking the mind into and when when flavors are concerned,
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Speaker 1: and he um would recreate a lot of these dishes
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Speaker 1: that we're gonna talk about in a second, one of
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Speaker 1: which was he made like a really delicious piece of
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Speaker 1: fruit that actually was made of meat. Um. And that
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Speaker 1: was a thing to this idea of kind of tricking
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Speaker 1: the senses and subverting expectations. But in those medieval days
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Speaker 1: we really got into the most grotesque and kind of
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Speaker 1: maccab area of using live and moles um. And that's
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Speaker 1: when you start to see the idea of like a
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Speaker 1: suckling pig with an apple in its mouth made to
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Speaker 1: look like it was kind of still alive. Um. That
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Speaker 1: was where that sort of trope comes from. But once
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Speaker 1: we get into uh deeper into the medieval period, uh,
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Speaker 1: just just the appearance of an animal being alive wasn't
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Speaker 1: enough anymore, right, right, Yeah, So we moved past the
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Speaker 1: the edible dioramas that people were making where it looked
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Speaker 1: like the fish were swimming and looked like, you know,
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Speaker 1: these various animals from mythology were real and on the
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Speaker 1: banquet table to the use of birds and frogs. They
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Speaker 1: were placed into pies and this was uh, this was
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Speaker 1: pretty popular. Actually, this was not a one off thing.
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Speaker 1: You can actually find some recipes for this in Italian cookbooks,
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Speaker 1: one especially from fourteen seventy four. A guy named Maestro
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Speaker 1: Martino explains the nuts and bolts of this. You make
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Speaker 1: a hole in the bottom crust of a pie, you
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Speaker 1: put another pie inside, and then in the empty space
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Speaker 1: that remains around the pie, put live birds as many
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Speaker 1: as you can hold in there. And they should be
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Speaker 1: placed in just before this thing can be served, so
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Speaker 1: that they're still, you know, healthy enough to fly. And
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Speaker 1: when it's served, before everybody seated at the bake, wait
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Speaker 1: you remove the cover, the birds fly away. This is
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Speaker 1: done to entertain and amuse your company, and then, in
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Speaker 1: order to make sure that they don't get disappointed by this,
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Speaker 1: make sure they know there's also a real pie. I
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Speaker 1: want to shout out one book in particular. You guys
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Speaker 1: can see it because we're on camera here. This is
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Speaker 1: a book by one of my favorite nonfiction um writers,
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Speaker 1: a guy named Mark Kurlanski. It's called Choice Cuts, And
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Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about medieval food, check
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Speaker 1: this book out. He didn't pay me to say this.
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Speaker 1: I just I love the guy. Yeah, and stuff like
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Speaker 1: this kind of lived on in song and these nursery rhymes. Um,
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Speaker 1: the song sing a song of sixpence? How is the
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Speaker 1: lyric about four and twenty blackbirds being baked in a pie?
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Speaker 1: Actually mentioned this to a friend of mine who's a
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Speaker 1: superhistory buff, and he was unaware of this was an
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Speaker 1: actual thing that they that people did, and I was
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Speaker 1: only aware of it because of that Heston Blumenthal show.
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Speaker 1: And he does do this actual recipe. And the key
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Speaker 1: is like, you know, having that ridge sort of like
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Speaker 1: reservoir on the outside around the actual pie, so the
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Speaker 1: birds can like crap all over that part, I guess.
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Speaker 1: But again, you want to put them in there pretty
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Speaker 1: quickly before you do this. They don't have too much
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Speaker 1: time to you know, do their business inside of the
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Speaker 1: and the food stuff. But still seemingly not a particularly thoughtful,
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Speaker 1: um mechanism to keep the food clean. Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 1: imagine Peter would be particularly enthused about this. Uh. We
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Speaker 1: do want to mention, of course, families like the Medici's,
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Speaker 1: you know, of Italian infamy, were known for creating these
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Speaker 1: kind of things. These were not dishes you would make
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Speaker 1: it home to like surprise your kids. Uh. The Medici's
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Speaker 1: get sited in the sixteen hundreds for bringing frogs into
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Speaker 1: the mix, and the entirety to your point about feeling
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Speaker 1: like a person jumping out of a cake would be
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Speaker 1: a surprise at you instead of for you. The frogs
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Speaker 1: were definitely meant to be a surprise at someone, causing
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Speaker 1: the noble women to lose their minds. I love you
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Speaker 1: you're pointing out the song because I also thought that
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Speaker 1: was just uh, I don't know, some some whimsical j
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Speaker 1: June nonsense June. I don't know this word, Ben, I
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Speaker 1: love it. Please tell me so. June is one of
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Speaker 1: those beautiful English words that doesn't get used often. Actually
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Speaker 1: it's a French word, I believe, but you can use
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Speaker 1: it in English. It just means simplistic or superficial. Why
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Speaker 1: I'm adding that to my at to my arsenal of
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Speaker 1: new words, Ben, thank you for that. And so, like
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Speaker 1: we said, um, you know, this does eventually kind of escalate.
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Speaker 1: I guess we can say to using actual humans, but
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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen until this trend kind of you know,
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Speaker 1: fell out of fashion. Because obviously it was kind of
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Speaker 1: gross and absurd, and uh, you know, people got into
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Speaker 1: more like the idea of having delicious food instead of
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Speaker 1: weird flex pageantry, you know, like with for French cuisine
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Speaker 1: and stuffan. Obviously there's you know, still things like the
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Speaker 1: order lawn, that rare songbird that people would eat covering
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Speaker 1: their faces to hide their shame from God. Like in
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Speaker 1: a single bite, they would eat this tiny little bird,
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Speaker 1: bones and all um. But apparently that's a delicacy and
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Speaker 1: it is supposed to be not only a weird flex
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Speaker 1: but pretty tasty and and you know braizen in butter
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Speaker 1: and fried or some something like that. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you get a sauce with your order lawan or
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Speaker 1: if you're just supposed to eat it all in one go.
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Speaker 1: It's a weird one. You're it's so small, uh that
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Speaker 1: you you really it's just a few bites. It's like
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Speaker 1: a topa got it. It's like like it's like a
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Speaker 1: like a hand roll or something, right, Um, But yeah,
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Speaker 1: the human component really doesn't come in until the sixteenth century. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. This is weird. A lot of this comes
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Speaker 1: to us from a researcher named Jesse d hurl butt. Uh.
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Speaker 1: He was at the symposium on Medieval Studies over Indiana University,
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Speaker 1: and he tells some stories that sound I'll just say it,
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Speaker 1: they sound patently untrue. It's weird that the truth is
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Speaker 1: stranger than fiction. Here there's a guy named Philippe le Bone.
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Speaker 1: He's a famous French engineer, and once upon a time
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Speaker 1: true story. He threw a party where twenty eight musicians
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Speaker 1: were baked in a giant meat pie, and they came
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Speaker 1: out of the pie playing their instruments again. You know,
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Speaker 1: I can see how the spectacle of that is amazing.
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Speaker 1: That's a cool concert. I guess Kanye West doing something
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Speaker 1: like that, But I don't think I would want to
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Speaker 1: eat the pie. You know these people do They have
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Speaker 1: shoes on, and they washed their hands. These very important
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Speaker 1: questions Bennett, just to quickly point out him, not to
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Speaker 1: as sult anybody's intelligence. But these are pies more like
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Speaker 1: a like a pasty or a meat pie, like a
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Speaker 1: giant pot pie. Uh, usually with beef and vegetables and
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Speaker 1: some kind of gravy um with a nice crust on
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Speaker 1: the outside. So this wouldn't have been a sweet pie.
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Speaker 1: This would have been a savory pie. Um. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: just really quickly to point that out. Uh. And then
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Speaker 1: in sixt six we have an example um perpetrated I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say, by the Duke and Duchess of Buckingham Um,
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Speaker 1: who were presenting Charles the First and his wife with
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Speaker 1: a similarly novelty giant pie. This one filled with with
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Speaker 1: the dwarf. Is it okay? It's dwarf? Okay? Is that
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Speaker 1: what we say? Well, we're quoting the historical context here, uh.
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Speaker 1: And people have still used the phrase. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if you want to go with um little person, but
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Speaker 1: I I find little person to be more neignrative and
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Speaker 1: condescending for something. I just want to know what the
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Speaker 1: actual community uh things. I thought that dwarf was okay,
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Speaker 1: but maybe that's that that sounds wrong, So let's just
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Speaker 1: go with that as the historical context here. Yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: saying that because that's what they said, and that is
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Speaker 1: what they said. And this was a gentleman by the
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Speaker 1: name of Sir Jeffrey Hudson, a k a. Lord Minimus,
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Speaker 1: the Queen's Dwarf, and he was wearing a full suit
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Speaker 1: of armor so absolutely meant to poke fun at this
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Speaker 1: gentleman's stature and make a mockery of him. Uh not
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Speaker 1: cool or okay at all, um, But this is the
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff that the royals got off on back
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Speaker 1: in those days. We also have to mention, of course,
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Speaker 1: it's similar to the idea of hermit gardners, the fact
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Speaker 1: that people had would would make a career out of
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Speaker 1: being a novelty for the wealthy. There is an argument
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Speaker 1: to be made that perhaps uh, Sir Hudson had a
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Speaker 1: better existence at the time than he would have otherwise,
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Speaker 1: just physically but mentally. That stuff has to take a
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Speaker 1: toll on you. You know what I mean. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to be paid to be the court amusement. But
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Speaker 1: now onto the cake cake Cake, cake Cake. By the
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Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, we know uh this, we know a story
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Speaker 1: that um of someone named Susie Johnson. Now we do
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Speaker 1: want to say as we go into this a bit
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Speaker 1: of a disclaimer. Like we said at the top, parts
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Speaker 1: of this story take a dark turn. This does delve
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Speaker 1: a little bit into the world a true crime, um.
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Speaker 1: But we think it's fascinating and we think it would
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Speaker 1: be unfair of us if we didn't tell the whole
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Speaker 1: story to the best of our ability. Yeah, and and
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Speaker 1: to to to to piggyback off of that disclaimer, it
19:44
Speaker 1: does involve some violence towards women um and some sexual assault. Uh,
19:50
Speaker 1: but the guilty parties ultimately get their come up and
19:53
Speaker 1: send this story, which is this is another reason that
19:55
Speaker 1: I thought it was an interesting one to include. Um.
19:58
Speaker 1: So let's start off with the story of Susie Johnston. UM.
20:03
Speaker 1: Show girls jumping out of cakes in the fifties was
20:07
Speaker 1: a was a big old thing, became super mainstream. That's
20:10
Speaker 1: probably where most of us have seen this trope is
20:13
Speaker 1: in some sort of suare involving rich, wealthy you know,
20:18
Speaker 1: well dressed gentleman smoking cigars and drinking you know, their
20:21
Speaker 1: scotches and uggling some sort of scantily clad young woman
20:26
Speaker 1: that pops out of the cake. Right, Yeah, like some
20:29
Speaker 1: kind of uh stereotypical bombshell doing some like Happy birthday,
20:36
Speaker 1: Mr bosy Day. It's kind of yes. Yeah. So by
20:41
Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, this this concept of live people coming
20:47
Speaker 1: out of baked goods starts to be limited in its demographic.
20:52
Speaker 1: It's primarily going to be uh, conventionally attractive women, and
20:56
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a decadent parties thrown by the aristocrats
21:00
Speaker 1: of the modern age, wealthy dudes right often in industry,
21:03
Speaker 1: probably some aristocrats too. So we want to introduce to
21:07
Speaker 1: this story a character. I would call him a prominent
21:11
Speaker 1: antagonist in this story. His name is Stanford White. As
21:16
Speaker 1: you can imagine if you have biases toward names, that's
21:20
Speaker 1: that's the name that sounds like a well off guy.
21:23
Speaker 1: He's a wealthy architect. He specializes in building houses and
21:29
Speaker 1: religious buildings for his wealthy friends and other institutions in
21:33
Speaker 1: New York City. On MA he throws a dinner party
21:39
Speaker 1: where we believe around fifty other equally well off men,
21:44
Speaker 1: uh come into play and attend this. This is weird, Okay,
21:49
Speaker 1: these guys are such jerks. One of them is such
21:52
Speaker 1: a jerk. Uh. It's a party ostensibly a wedding anniversary
21:56
Speaker 1: for a polo player named John Elliott cow To and
22:00
Speaker 1: and uh, I just want to point out before we
22:03
Speaker 1: get into anything else, it's his wedding anniversary party and
22:07
Speaker 1: his wife is not invited. Yeah, conspicuously not invited. Uh.
22:11
Speaker 1: There are no women on the guest list, only on
22:13
Speaker 1: the staff, and pretty much all of them are very
22:18
Speaker 1: scantily clad. Um. So we had a handful of models
22:23
Speaker 1: that would entertain the male guests, you know, serving them
22:26
Speaker 1: their their brandies and their coffees and there you know,
22:30
Speaker 1: fine delicacies of oysters and clams and champagne cocktails, etcetera.
22:36
Speaker 1: There was even a rumor that the hair colors of
22:42
Speaker 1: the staff of of models was coordinated to go with
22:46
Speaker 1: the wine courses, so the brunettes would pour the red wine,
22:50
Speaker 1: the blonds would pour the white. Um, there's a lot
22:53
Speaker 1: of apocryphal kind of like built into this story because
22:56
Speaker 1: of one of the accounts that we're going to get into.
22:58
Speaker 1: But um, i'd know that seems like the kind of
23:02
Speaker 1: obscene bacchanalien flex that like a guy like this would
23:06
Speaker 1: would would be into agreed, Like he's definitely trying to
23:10
Speaker 1: impress his his attendees, and his his attendees are famous
23:16
Speaker 1: in their day. Nicola Tesla was there, uh an illustrator
23:21
Speaker 1: named Charles Dana Gibson who is the creator of the
23:23
Speaker 1: famous Gibson Girl. And you know they're there are loads
23:27
Speaker 1: and loads of who's who's attending this place, right And
23:31
Speaker 1: according to what we understand again about this story, it
23:34
Speaker 1: was Stanford White's idea to involve Susie Johnson. So she
23:40
Speaker 1: was the big ticket performance of this dinner party. After
23:44
Speaker 1: these guys have gnashed to their hearts content, they bring
23:47
Speaker 1: out this enormous pie. And then, according to Evelyn Nesbitt,
23:53
Speaker 1: who also plays a role in this story, out of
23:55
Speaker 1: this pie jumped Susie Johnson. She was only wearing a
24:00
Speaker 1: flimsy piece of of see through gauze. And you know,
24:04
Speaker 1: this might sound like it's kind of body otherwise goodhearted
24:07
Speaker 1: Vegas style fun, but I need we have to point
24:10
Speaker 1: out this girl was sixteen years old. Uh. And and
24:15
Speaker 1: there were also a lot of birds that jumped out
24:17
Speaker 1: with us. So they flew out in the room. The
24:18
Speaker 1: sixteen year old girl, addressed in virtually nothing, uh, pops
24:22
Speaker 1: out and uh it's like, you know, happy anniversary or whatever.
24:26
Speaker 1: Where's your wife? Yeah, it's true that the pie was
24:31
Speaker 1: full of nightingales and other songbirds. I got a question
24:36
Speaker 1: for you, Ben, just just on a purely practical kind
24:39
Speaker 1: of functional level, what do you do now you just
24:42
Speaker 1: accept that they are just birds roaming around your party
24:45
Speaker 1: for the rest of the evening, is there a bird
24:47
Speaker 1: wrangler that then goes and scoops them all up and uh,
24:50
Speaker 1: you know he hurries them off into some back room
24:53
Speaker 1: to be dealt with or what happens to these birds?
24:56
Speaker 1: We we we don't ever, nobody ever talks about that, right, right,
24:59
Speaker 1: This is impor point because not all birds behave equally. Right.
25:03
Speaker 1: If they were releasing a bunch of a bunch of EMUs,
25:07
Speaker 1: it would be hilarious, but they would be tougher to wrangle. Uh.
25:11
Speaker 1: So you know, if they were releasing trained pigeons, then
25:14
Speaker 1: the pigeons would just fly to wherever they were supposed
25:16
Speaker 1: to roost. What kind of birds did they have? It
25:19
Speaker 1: was more than one? Right, Yeah, I think I said
25:20
Speaker 1: nightingales earlier. They also were using canaries and doves, um,
25:26
Speaker 1: you know, and doves. Doves are trainable, they're they're used
25:28
Speaker 1: in magic shows a lot, and there they behave pretty well.
25:31
Speaker 1: I think canaries are also, you know, domesticated birds. I guess,
25:36
Speaker 1: let's say, for lack of a better term, don't know
25:38
Speaker 1: about nightingales. Um. I just know that song in Nightingales
25:41
Speaker 1: sang in Harvard Square. But I digress. So yeah, I
25:45
Speaker 1: would personally leave the party immediately if this were to happen.
25:48
Speaker 1: I would consider it a personal affront and would have
25:50
Speaker 1: been very upset that no one gave me the heads up.
25:53
Speaker 1: It reminds me of a crazy stunt the Rolling Stones
25:55
Speaker 1: tried to pull. I believe it was at Madison Square
25:57
Speaker 1: Garden on the Exile and Main Street tour. They this
26:00
Speaker 1: idea that they were going to drop like something like
26:02
Speaker 1: a thousand live chickens from the rafters onto the crowd,
26:06
Speaker 1: just to see what would happen. They just wanted to
26:08
Speaker 1: watch the world burn, you know, or get packed to
26:11
Speaker 1: death by chickens. Thankfully, I don't know that it actually happened,
26:15
Speaker 1: and if it had, God, God help the Rolling Stones,
26:18
Speaker 1: that would have been a total melee. I think it
26:22
Speaker 1: would have been a disaster of their own device. So
26:26
Speaker 1: I'm glad hopefully that everybody in the band remains safe,
26:31
Speaker 1: as safe as you can't be when you're doing Keith's
26:33
Speaker 1: level of drugs. Oh my god, I can't believe that
26:35
Speaker 1: guy is still with us. Uh. And so Susie Johnson,
26:38
Speaker 1: remember she's emerged from this cake these birds fly away. Um,
26:42
Speaker 1: she also has her own little kind of topper. She's
26:45
Speaker 1: got a little hat on that looks like a nightingale itself. Um,
26:49
Speaker 1: I guess you sort of meant to be like a
26:51
Speaker 1: sexy nightingale, you know, humanoid nightingale kind of creature. Sixteen
26:56
Speaker 1: years old, sixteen years old. As we get into it,
26:59
Speaker 1: if you can believe the reports of this pretty sensationalized
27:03
Speaker 1: account that was printed in the book Evelyn Nesbitt and
27:06
Speaker 1: Stanford White, Love and Death in the Gilded Age by
27:10
Speaker 1: Michael Mooney. Um, well, let's read a little exert here, Ben,
27:14
Speaker 1: would would you like to join me in this? Uh? Yeah,
27:16
Speaker 1: this is a really long one. Well, why don't we
27:18
Speaker 1: split it up totally? Okay? Yeah. The room soon hung
27:22
Speaker 1: heavy with acrid smells, the combination of wines, too much food,
27:27
Speaker 1: of fog, of cigarette smoke, the sweat of the men
27:30
Speaker 1: mingled with the steaming sweats of the girls that mixed
27:34
Speaker 1: with their powders and perfumes. Then a whistle sounded, and
27:37
Speaker 1: through the swinging doors of file of Roman slave girls appeared,
27:41
Speaker 1: their bodies streaked with sweat, burying a huge trestle, six
27:45
Speaker 1: girls on each side of it. Upon the trestle was
27:48
Speaker 1: what appeared to be a monstrous pie, the crust of
27:52
Speaker 1: a meringue of ermine whites, and the base surrounded by
27:57
Speaker 1: banks of red and blue flowers. They began to circle
28:00
Speaker 1: the pie and to sing to it, their voices now
28:03
Speaker 1: heavy with wine and passion and incipient. Qutar. You're gonna
28:09
Speaker 1: have to do a little explanation of that word later.
28:12
Speaker 1: And at the queue, the top of the pie rose up,
28:14
Speaker 1: and birds, doves, canaries, and nightingales began to fly everywhere
28:18
Speaker 1: in the room. As the birds scattered, a shining blonde
28:22
Speaker 1: child rose from the center of the pie, making graceful
28:26
Speaker 1: weaving motions with her arms. So just a says stage here, qutar,
28:32
Speaker 1: incipient quitar Uh. That that's a word for a build
28:36
Speaker 1: up of mucus in your throat. It's not a sexy word.
28:42
Speaker 1: Like they had spit in their mouths. So a lot
28:43
Speaker 1: of people were just kind of hacking and wheezing. Is
28:46
Speaker 1: that the implication, or that they were just like Pavlovian
28:49
Speaker 1: dogs drooling over the sound of the bell. Perhaps there
28:53
Speaker 1: was a bell involved. Yeah, yeah, it becomes I think
28:55
Speaker 1: it's both of those. They are waxes. It was a whistle.
28:58
Speaker 1: It was a whistle. Yeah, But you see what I'm
28:59
Speaker 1: saying there, Like I've been reading some accounts of this
29:01
Speaker 1: particular tale that was printed in this book, and uh,
29:05
Speaker 1: this gentleman Mooney is not considered to be the best
29:08
Speaker 1: of primary sources. As you can see, there's probably some
29:11
Speaker 1: editorialising going on here, but it's fascinating time capsule kind
29:14
Speaker 1: of peace either way. So what happens next then, and
29:18
Speaker 1: this is where the to the story really does take
29:19
Speaker 1: kind of a dark turn. So it's important to say
29:22
Speaker 1: that Susie Johnson will later go on to be described
29:26
Speaker 1: by some sources as one of the best and most
29:29
Speaker 1: well known models in New York City, but this is
29:32
Speaker 1: after a terrible, terrible thing happens to her. Uh. The
29:37
Speaker 1: public finds out about this in uh, in a couple
29:42
Speaker 1: of different places, and the public doesn't react very well
29:46
Speaker 1: to it. Um. You can see a photo in an
29:49
Speaker 1: illustration in New York World where the architects Stanford White
29:53
Speaker 1: is standing to the left of and I believe you
29:56
Speaker 1: could look up this illustration online now, but the architects
29:59
Speaker 1: standard White. He's standing next to Susie Johnson's left, and
30:02
Speaker 1: he's sort of like proffering a kitchen knife like he's
30:05
Speaker 1: about to carve up. It's it's predatory a f The
30:08
Speaker 1: thing is that this dinner the public learns this dinner
30:12
Speaker 1: costs more than twenty three hundred times the daily wage
30:17
Speaker 1: of the average worker in New York. So this looks
30:20
Speaker 1: like um degenerate activities of the aristocracy, right. We also
30:27
Speaker 1: know that Susie herself was Several accounts say that she
30:34
Speaker 1: was later physically assaulted by the guy for whom the
30:39
Speaker 1: party was being thrown. So on the night of his
30:42
Speaker 1: tenth wedding anniversary, this dude attacked a sixteen year old child.
30:47
Speaker 1: It's true, ben um and in a publication called The
30:50
Speaker 1: New York World UH magazine or or kind of it
30:54
Speaker 1: was more of like a bit of a pulpy kind
30:57
Speaker 1: of rag at the time. Um. There's an m edge
31:00
Speaker 1: an illustration of this event with Susie Johnson not shown
31:05
Speaker 1: quite in the buff like she would have been, or
31:07
Speaker 1: or you know, more with a like very very see
31:09
Speaker 1: through outfit on she's more kind of cloaked in this
31:11
Speaker 1: billowy kind of dress. But there you can see uh
31:15
Speaker 1: an image representation of Stanford White standing to her left
31:19
Speaker 1: with a large kitchen knife. This kind of like almost
31:23
Speaker 1: wolffish look at his eyes. And it turns out that
31:25
Speaker 1: wasn't too far from the truth because Evelyn Nesbit, who
31:28
Speaker 1: becomes a key player in in where the story is
31:30
Speaker 1: ultimately going um remarked to Uh to White later that
31:36
Speaker 1: I heard you ruined, Uh, Susie Johnson. Ruined being sort
31:41
Speaker 1: of a euphemism for, at the time, taking one's virginity
31:45
Speaker 1: or some sort of um, you know, robbing someone of
31:49
Speaker 1: their innocence or you know, because in the eyes of society,
31:52
Speaker 1: you would be looked at as damaged goods, you know,
31:55
Speaker 1: for to use the term that was thrown around at
31:57
Speaker 1: the time, um, or you would you know, no one
31:58
Speaker 1: would want to marry you. It would be a huge
32:02
Speaker 1: blow to one's reputation if they found out that someone
32:05
Speaker 1: had lost their virginity. Um are are you know, been
32:08
Speaker 1: been pregnant out of wedlock or all that stuff was
32:10
Speaker 1: a really big deal at the time. So but it
32:13
Speaker 1: turns out that it was so that it was Evelyn
32:16
Speaker 1: Nesbit that would really bear the brunt of this in
32:19
Speaker 1: a pretty explosive way. Isn't that right? Then? Yeah, that's correct.
32:24
Speaker 1: So ruined was a euphemism for sex outside of wedlock. Uh.
32:29
Speaker 1: The idea of them being that if someone was not
32:31
Speaker 1: a virgin, their marriage prospects would go from one hundred
32:35
Speaker 1: to zero or maybe one. So here's how this situation
32:40
Speaker 1: goes down. The first recorded pop out cake party isn't
32:44
Speaker 1: just linked to people jumping out a cake or jumping
32:48
Speaker 1: out of pie. In this case, it's also linked to
32:51
Speaker 1: true crime. Um. This is where we dive into some
32:55
Speaker 1: of the some of the terrible details here. M H.
33:04
Speaker 1: So White is not just kind of scummy to Susie,
33:11
Speaker 1: he is also scummy to Evelyn Nesbitt. We know that
33:15
Speaker 1: he had According to sources, he was forty seven at
33:19
Speaker 1: the time of his interactions. Whether she was like Susie
33:22
Speaker 1: sixteen and he said he was going to He's like,
33:25
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make your career as a model. I'm gonna
33:28
Speaker 1: care for you. I'm gonna pay for your expenses. I'm
33:30
Speaker 1: gonna pay for your mom's expenses. Uh, let's just work
33:34
Speaker 1: something out. This happens. We have to remember in the
33:37
Speaker 1: eight nineties when New York City was full of young
33:40
Speaker 1: women who are coming to the Big Apple to make
33:43
Speaker 1: it big and Broadway. Sometimes they would end up being
33:46
Speaker 1: models for the ad industry. Sometimes the would be in
33:48
Speaker 1: a chorus line. Sometimes they would make it on stage.
33:51
Speaker 1: Sometimes they would get a job at a factory or
33:52
Speaker 1: they have to resort to sex work. So when White
33:56
Speaker 1: invites Nesbit to his street of heartment and he owns
34:01
Speaker 1: a lot of apartments, again he's wealthy. He takes her
34:03
Speaker 1: to the top floor and he's rigged a velvet swing
34:07
Speaker 1: to hang from the ceiling. He sat her on the
34:09
Speaker 1: swing and then he um pushed her on the swing basically,
34:13
Speaker 1: which is creepy. But nothing else happens really that night.
34:17
Speaker 1: A little bit afterwards, he takes this kid again, a teenager,
34:22
Speaker 1: to his bedroom. He drugs her with champagne and he
34:24
Speaker 1: assaults her and she wakes. When she wakes up, he's
34:28
Speaker 1: he says, now you belong to me. That is some
34:33
Speaker 1: like serious villainy right there. Just absolutely um talk about gosh,
34:39
Speaker 1: it's good to see nowadays people like that and positions
34:43
Speaker 1: of power, you know, getting taken to task like a
34:46
Speaker 1: Weinstein or something. But this was the earliest, most egregious
34:51
Speaker 1: version of taking advantage of folks who are trying to
34:56
Speaker 1: you know, make their careers. And he literally offered to
34:58
Speaker 1: take care of her and to pay her and her
35:01
Speaker 1: mother's costs of living. You know, absolute wolf, you know,
35:06
Speaker 1: just a really disgusting man and we're not This isn't
35:08
Speaker 1: conjecture that I mean this, This is all stuff that
35:11
Speaker 1: came out in a trial that would ultimately ensue uh
35:15
Speaker 1: so Nez but didn't tell anyone about this rape until
35:19
Speaker 1: a few years later, when she told the man she
35:22
Speaker 1: was about to marry, my man named Harry Thaw the story. Um.
35:27
Speaker 1: Thaw also apparently wasn't the most upstanding of gentlemen. He
35:31
Speaker 1: was rumored to have beaten many working class women with
35:35
Speaker 1: dog whips and uh soaked them in boiling water, like
35:40
Speaker 1: as some kind of kink. Maybe, ben, I don't just
35:44
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure about that. The idea of bull
35:47
Speaker 1: whips and and the water thing make me think it
35:49
Speaker 1: was some sort of like fetish, but it's it's not
35:52
Speaker 1: clear from from the record here. Um, but yeah, he
35:56
Speaker 1: uh he heard this story from his his his betrothed
36:00
Speaker 1: um and he absolutely lost his mind right because he
36:06
Speaker 1: didn't want uh, he did not want white doing stuff
36:11
Speaker 1: to his wife that he apparently had no problem doing
36:14
Speaker 1: to other women. Uh. And I for what, I'm glad
36:17
Speaker 1: to live in an age where it's possible to not
36:20
Speaker 1: know what a dog whip is. That's disturbing that that's
36:23
Speaker 1: just a casual thing thrown around. So, yeah, he is incensed.
36:27
Speaker 1: He's livid. Uh, he is not dealing with his own hypocrisy. Instead,
36:31
Speaker 1: he's taking action. On June nine six, at the opening
36:34
Speaker 1: performance in Madison Square Garden, the same theater that Stanford
36:38
Speaker 1: White himself had designed, Harry Thaw finds Stanford White and
36:42
Speaker 1: he shoots him fatally. He's getting marched out of the
36:46
Speaker 1: theater by a nearby fireman and he's still hold like
36:50
Speaker 1: they've they've taken the gun away, and he's like yelling
36:52
Speaker 1: at his wife Evelyn, and he says, he ruined your life, dear,
36:56
Speaker 1: That's why I did it. And then it goes to
36:58
Speaker 1: the courtroom you were talking about. That's right. It was
37:01
Speaker 1: the trial of the century, even though it was suddenly
37:04
Speaker 1: the very beginning of the century. Um. But it was
37:08
Speaker 1: a massive media frenzy because Nesbit actually was able to
37:14
Speaker 1: testify on the stand and she narrated every detail of
37:19
Speaker 1: this horrific rape to the courtroom and then answered, uh
37:24
Speaker 1: in very dignified fashion and really, you know, held her
37:27
Speaker 1: head high. Um. So this is a very early example
37:30
Speaker 1: of of disgusting you know, powerful men having done terrible
37:34
Speaker 1: things and being kind of taken to task for it.
37:37
Speaker 1: Faugh was uh committed to a psychiatric institution. UM. And
37:45
Speaker 1: Nesbit did not have an easy life after this. She
37:48
Speaker 1: had problems with addiction, but she continued UM her life
37:53
Speaker 1: as a performance a dancer, UM, a performer because she was,
37:57
Speaker 1: you know, from that world of theater as well, and
37:59
Speaker 1: she also taught UH. And then in the nineteen sixties
38:02
Speaker 1: she she did pass away Johnson. On the other hand,
38:05
Speaker 1: we you know, Johnson was the girl from the cake.
38:08
Speaker 1: Let's not forget. Nesbitt was just kind of the chronicler
38:11
Speaker 1: of a lot of the stuff and became sort of
38:13
Speaker 1: the face of this kind of you know, speaking out
38:16
Speaker 1: against them, against these kinds of activities. Uh. Johnson sort
38:20
Speaker 1: of disappeared into kind of the red light district after
38:23
Speaker 1: the situation, which she was a successful model for a time,
38:27
Speaker 1: but then she sort of went off the grid. UM.
38:29
Speaker 1: And we don't really have a whole lot of information
38:31
Speaker 1: about her UM, but one report from nineteen oh seven
38:35
Speaker 1: UM indicates that she did get married, but then her
38:38
Speaker 1: husband eventually found out about her pie girl days and
38:42
Speaker 1: that alone just being the object of men's you know,
38:46
Speaker 1: for another man to see your wife, you know, without
38:49
Speaker 1: her clothes on. That would be enough to drive a
38:52
Speaker 1: man at this time like into a rage and and
38:54
Speaker 1: a completely jealous fugue state. Um. So yeah, he found
38:58
Speaker 1: out about this and apparently, according to the account from
39:00
Speaker 1: nineteenah seven, left turn, Yeah, it's the end of the tail.
39:05
Speaker 1: And we like that there's I don't know about you,
39:07
Speaker 1: but I like to think that maybe things did turn
39:10
Speaker 1: out better for uh Susie, and that maybe this yellow
39:14
Speaker 1: journalism was just chasing a headline instead of presenting facts.
39:17
Speaker 1: It's such a it's a it's such a purient case,
39:20
Speaker 1: and the kind of stuff that would have just had
39:22
Speaker 1: these yellow journalists kind of licking their chops, you know,
39:25
Speaker 1: and just like like, how can we exaggerate an already
39:29
Speaker 1: pretty um over the top story. So that's why I
39:32
Speaker 1: gotta take some of the stuff with a grain of
39:34
Speaker 1: salt in this especially uh that that account of the party, even,
39:37
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like there's some truth to it,
39:39
Speaker 1: but there's also seems to be a lot of liberties
39:41
Speaker 1: being taken and that was just sort of par for
39:43
Speaker 1: the course at the time. And yeah, yeah, good point.
39:46
Speaker 1: And and look, we're not saying this should ruin your
39:49
Speaker 1: experience with your friends, your loved winds are paid professionals
39:53
Speaker 1: jumping out of cakes. It's just fascinating to know that
39:56
Speaker 1: it has such a deep store worry behind it. You
40:01
Speaker 1: can see in the In the modern day, you can
40:03
Speaker 1: still see this practice. If you so desire, you can
40:08
Speaker 1: pay someone to build a cake for someone else to
40:11
Speaker 1: jump out of. Right, Oh yeah, you totally can't. It's actually,
40:14
Speaker 1: you know, it's just a lot more accessible these days
40:16
Speaker 1: because back then it was kind of relegated to the
40:18
Speaker 1: super rich, and the cakes were meant to be edible,
40:20
Speaker 1: and they would be like, you know, you'd have to
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to stuff human person in a
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Speaker 1: in a hollow cylinder inside of like a pastry. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And today you can actually order one of these things
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Speaker 1: about twenty five pounds and it comes in sort of
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Speaker 1: a modular package of of different folded cardboard pieces, sort
40:39
Speaker 1: of like building like a cardboard castle for your kids
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Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know, not the same at all. Um.
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Speaker 1: There's instructions that come with it. Everything you need to
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Speaker 1: do only takes about five minutes to put together. And
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Speaker 1: this comes from a gentleman by the name of Danny,
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Speaker 1: who's the office manager at centerfold strips entertainment. Um, and
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Speaker 1: and uh, I think Danny might be a might be
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Speaker 1: a might be a woman. But um, apparently this is
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Speaker 1: a thing that they specialize in and they can send
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Speaker 1: these packages all around. Yep, that's right. So if you've
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Speaker 1: ever wondered, hey, how do I get in on that
41:17
Speaker 1: medici level debauchery, well, you you're you're closer than you
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Speaker 1: might think. This practice we have to note is uh
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Speaker 1: is safer than the old the old practices. And and
41:28
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, of course some people are are jerks,
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Speaker 1: and there's still certain stigmas surrounding sex workers, but it
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Speaker 1: is a much more accepted thing and there's not this
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Speaker 1: you know, absolutely damning stigma of you know, if if
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Speaker 1: you're caught doing this kind of work, or if you're
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Speaker 1: a caught kind of a cake or something, you're going
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Speaker 1: to be absolutely unmarriable. That's just not nearly the case anymore.
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Speaker 1: And um, there is an interview in this article on
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Speaker 1: thrillist dot com about this company that makes the cakes
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Speaker 1: some with a sex worker by the name of Fantasy
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Speaker 1: who talks about how she enjoys being the girl in
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Speaker 1: the cake and finds it empowering. Because she knows. This
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Speaker 1: is a quote from her that, uh, you're the reason
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Speaker 1: a night is going to turn crazy, especially when you're
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Speaker 1: the reason that men go wild, so um, taking ownership
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Speaker 1: of that, uh that power. Yeah, and i'd like to
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Speaker 1: I'd like to sum it up with one observation here.
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Speaker 1: It is actually easier now to have a live person
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Speaker 1: jump out of a cake than it is to have
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Speaker 1: a live animal jump out of a cake or a pie,
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Speaker 1: because human beings, of course, can consent to getting in
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Speaker 1: in the first place. Very good point, then, thanks Nel,
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Speaker 1: And with that we're going to call it a day.
42:42
Speaker 1: We hope that you've enjoyed this strange, twisted tail. And
42:47
Speaker 1: I think one good takeaway from this is that you
42:51
Speaker 1: never know what kind of practice has a has a
42:55
Speaker 1: weird story behind it. I'm still personally baffled by neck ties,
42:59
Speaker 1: like why we where those? It did a Breen Stuff
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Speaker 1: video about that back in the day. It never really
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Speaker 1: had a function, but check that out. I don't think
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Speaker 1: we should do an episode on it, by the way,
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Speaker 1: it's it's too short. It's weird. Well, I will tell you, man,
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Speaker 1: this one had a lot more going on in it
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Speaker 1: than I ever would have expected. Upon initial uh, initially
43:19
Speaker 1: seeing the headline and when Gabe sent us kind of
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Speaker 1: this this topic. So thanks huge thanks to UM research
43:26
Speaker 1: associate Gabe Luger, who we're definitely going to have on
43:28
Speaker 1: very soon UM as we all occupy our our private
43:32
Speaker 1: uh are broadcast quarantine bunkers uh in this time of
43:37
Speaker 1: self isolation. So hope everyone's doing well out there. Ben.
43:41
Speaker 1: It's always a joy to kind of be able to
43:43
Speaker 1: pop on and do these with you, uh and super
43:45
Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegram. It kind of makes me feel a
43:47
Speaker 1: little less crazy. I'm very lucky that part of our
43:49
Speaker 1: job is actually interacting with with you intelligent and fine,
43:54
Speaker 1: fine gentlemen, So I really appreciate you guys being there. Likewise,
43:58
Speaker 1: thanks little Big Thing of course or super producer Casey
44:02
Speaker 1: pegrov our our you know, on and off again erstwhile
44:07
Speaker 1: nemesis Jonathan Strickland a k a. The Quister thinks that
44:11
Speaker 1: Eve's Jeff Cote thanks to Christopher has Otis, who we
44:16
Speaker 1: also we have this list of some people who will
44:19
Speaker 1: be making some cameos on our show. We don't want
44:21
Speaker 1: to thank them all yet, but stay tuned because we
44:24
Speaker 1: have such wonders to show you, uh, and tune in
44:27
Speaker 1: next time when let's see I don't want to spoil
44:30
Speaker 1: this too much, but we have a very weird story
44:32
Speaker 1: about a bottle for you. Let's just leave it at that.
44:35
Speaker 1: I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than
44:37
Speaker 1: a frontal of ottomy. You know that one spoonerism Tom
44:40
Speaker 1: Waits is that Tom Waits. Well, he's the one who
44:42
Speaker 1: popularized it. At least it's too well. This uh, this,
44:46
Speaker 1: this story, it's all about somebody preferring to have a
44:48
Speaker 1: bottle in front of them as well, uh and doing
44:51
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting things supposedly allegedly with said bottle. Uh.
44:56
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44:58
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45:00
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