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is king princess afraid of being bi? feat. but im a lesbian pod · gasp! the pod

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  Her attempt to try to defend bisexuals.
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  I'm like queen or king Princess I.
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  Hi guys. Welcome back to GAS the Pod, the
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  podcast for the girls, the gays, and especially the gay girls.
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  We have some gay girls on the podcast today, but I'm a
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  lesbian. The podcast is here.
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  We are talking about the debate that is taking over sapphic
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  Internet because this happens like every three months and it's
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  the infamous bisexual slash lesbian Internet discourse.
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  It's been reignited by one of the very few sophic celebrities
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  we even have. And I say sophic because at this
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  point, do we even know king princesses sexuality?
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  And this is what we'll be discussing today.
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  I've talked about JoJo, Siwa and Fletcher already on this podcast
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  and like, it just keeps happening.
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  It's not our fault that it keeps happening.
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  So with the bisexuals and the lesbians at each other's throats
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  with the latest scandal, the Internet is again wondering what
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  makes you a lesbian? And to answer this question, of
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  course, I'm bringing on lesbians from but I'm a lesbian.
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  I just feel like it works out so perfectly.
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  I'm so excited to not fight, you know what I mean?
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  Like how often are are bisexuals and lesbians agreeing on this
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  subject? So before we get into the meat
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  of the episode and before I introduce, but I'm a lesbian
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  podcast. Just a few updates for people
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  that are new to this podcast or returning.
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  This is a pop culture sapphic theory podcast if you're
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  wondering. So I talk about pop culture
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  topics specifically like getting into one of them.
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  Also, I have bonus episodes if you're looking for more
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  episodes. I do a bi weekly podcast so you
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  can check out bonus episodes on my Patreon or Spotify.
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  What else? Please subscribe especially on
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  Spotify or YouTube. If you've not subscribed on
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  Spotify, but you are following on TikTok love that for you but
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  would love if you subscribed on Spotify.
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  That would be amazing. So before we discuss King
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  Princess and just everything that's happening, I wanted to
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  introduce But I'm a Lesbian podcast because we've been
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  mutuals and I've been seeing from afar how much we align.
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  So I'm so happy that we're collaborating and maybe we'll do
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  a podcast on y'all's podcast in the future.
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  But Caitlin and Angelina, thank you so much for joining.
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  Can you guys like introduce yourselves and tell the
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  listeners like how you started a podcast, what your podcast is
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  about, etcetera? OK, so I'm Caitlin.
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  I'm Angelina. Well, where to start?
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  We met actually only like less than three years ago yeah on
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  Bumble BFF. So I'd love that.
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  I swear they should sponsor us because they I have seen so many
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  people talk bad about Bumble BFF like, oh, everyone on there is
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  weird and you know what maybe you'll find people that are the
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  right kind of weird they get along with exactly.
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  I never. Got to participate in Bumble BFF
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  because I was banned for life because I because I put my Venmo
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  in my bio and then I turned my age on 50 plus and then I got
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  banned for soliciting money. Oh my God.
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  Well it's creepy. 55 year olds are willing to do that.
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  You didn't. Say give me money.
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  But it was a suggestion. What?
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  Can you do about that for you guys?
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  Though, yes, so we met and funny story, I almost didn't swipe on
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  her because because I was 34 at the time and she was 24 and I
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  was like, how am I going to be friends with a 24 year old?
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  And I was like, but she's a lesbian.
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  I was like, no, maybe we will be friends even though there is an
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  age. Yeah, we did end up being best
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  friends. Like we text every day, which is
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  really special. And that developed really
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  quickly. And then I have always wanted to
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  have a podcast. I just never thought that I
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  could do it. And so I'm like, would you want
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  to do a lesbian podcast with me? I was like.
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  Yeah, of course I wanted. I think what kind of sets us
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  apart from a lot of the lesbian podcasts that I have seen are
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  like Niche is talking about sapphic movies.
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  Every episode we talk a little bit, have like a yap session
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  just about like. Then we recap and review a movie
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  and then we do a special third segment which alternates.
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  So sometimes it's WLW history, sometimes it's what's up with
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  the heteros where we read like an am I the actual about
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  strength? So and we're like low and so we
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  and then we do deer dykes, which is like an advice thing where
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  people can write in. It's really fun.
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  It's become this whole thing and we have, we're like more than
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  halfway through Season 3, yeah, which is pretty crazy.
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  Yeah. Also what's really cool is that
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  like when we had first, Caitlin had asked me if I wanted to do a
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  lesbian podcast with her. I was like, Oh my God, yes.
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  So then we started saying like, what movies?
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  Literally like the first what, like 2-3 seasons?
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  We were just like naming movies. And someone had said to you
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  like, oh, shouldn't you include like straight movies?
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  You're gonna run out of content. And I'm like, no, so many
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  movies. And that's not even including
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  the TV shows that we could do. Yeah, true.
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  TV shows, so a lot of the podcasts that I have heard of
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  either, they don't exist anymore, which I fucking.
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  Real. Yes, like I would book 1 Apple
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  podcast on Spotify for lesbian podcast and I would find a
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  podcast and be so excited. And then I'm like, oh, they
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  stopped releasing episodes a year ago.
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  So I only have old episodes and a lot of times.
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  And I think it's because they were a couple and maybe they got
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  something. I don't know.
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  That's the Bumble. BFF for you guys.
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  That's yeah. We have gotten, I'm sure you
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  have to the emails from people being like, oh, this person
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  wrote a book. Do you want to have them on your
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  podcast? And I'm like, I don't think this
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  really fits our bod. I can tell you put it into
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  ChatGPT absolutely. So I don't want to be like
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  accidentally backing somebody that I don't agree with.
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  And that's what I see happen on things like the podcast episode
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  that we're going to talk about the celebrity book club.
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  One really great segue. This is why I had podcasters on
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  my podcast, like podcast is talking about a podcast.
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  Let's get into it because I also want to play the audio out loud
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  because I feel like the way she says it is like it gives me
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  shivers down my spine. People that are unaware of the
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  Princess controversy. I'm just going to quickly run
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  through how this spawned because usually when discourses happen
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  on the Internet, it is definitely something that is
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  like dug up or something that never really blew up initially.
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  And I think sometimes people like validly, you know, critique
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  that because they're like, OK, this is like something that like
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  was dug up in order to cancel them.
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  And I think that that's like fair, because I'm not going to
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  discredit the fact that I'm sure right wing media is trying to
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  discredit a lot of gay people. However, at the same time, you
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  said this in a public platform like, and if this didn't blow up
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  at first, that's like many people just didn't see this at
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  first. The T is that King Princess
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  famously identified as a lesbian.
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  This is not a Fletcher situation where Fletcher said, oh, I never
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  said I was a lesbian. I always just said I was like
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  gay or queer or whatever, which someone fact checked that.
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  I don't have a producer in the room, but.
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  I am pretty sure you're correct because yeah, I said something
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  about it on TikTok and someone tried to correct me and said she
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  did say she was a lesbian. But there their receipts were
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  comments from other people saying yeah, she said she was a
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  lesbian. And I feel like she could say
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  like. I'm I'm queer.
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  I'm not specifically. A lesbian.
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  And I feel like that the critique of Fletcher is less of
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  like, so how dare you be bisexual and more like, why are
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  you marketing your music with a boy T-shirt and like, being
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  like, oh, everyone's so mad at me before anyone was.
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  Here to tell you guys this, but it's like.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, maybe we can get into
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  that. Maybe we don't.
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  I don't know. But also, I do have an episode
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  on Fletcher if anyone feels the huge desire to listen to that.
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  But so. King Princess has identified and
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  still identifies to my knowledge, as a lesbian.
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  I'm not sure if any of this discourse has made her reflect.
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  She is genderqueer and singer-songwriter.
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  I've loved her music. The T originally happened.
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  The discourse that we're talking about on the Internet happened
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  in 2024 and this re blew up very recently in the last like week
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  or so in the last two weeks. And this was a bonus episode on
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  a podcast called Celebrity Book Club with Steven and Lily.
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  This episode resurfaced. And it's ironic because the
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  video of her calling out Fletcher also resurfaced at the
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  same time that this clip resurfaced and people were
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  calling her super hypocritical. She said in the deleted video
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  about Fletcher because everything she pretty much
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  posted has been deleted. But don't worry, we have have
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  that. Of course, the Internet is
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  forever, and this I agree with. So she said that artists pretty
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  much aren't victims of the queer community's disappointment when
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  they use the LGBTQ community for marketing their music and then
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  pivot into heteronormative privilege.
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  I don't know. What do you guys think about
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  that? I agree with her, yeah, but it's
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  hard to look at it now because I feel like someone wrote that for
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  her. Yeah.
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  Because I it seems like when she talks for herself, it's not.
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  Or maybe she just feels like it really does exclude her.
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  So like, she genuinely probably thinks that, but it's like, I'm
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  the exception because I'm not dating.
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  I mean, yeah, you know, I'm just fucking maybe there.
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  Was something that was pulling at her insecurity.
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  Some kind of project? Projection, that's the word
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  yeah, yeah, cuz like I agree with that.
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  Like I think Fletcher's allowed to be by as a by person come out
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  as by. But people feeling like they
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  lost representation does not mean that they're biphobic to
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  you with you having a boyfriend. Like there are such few, I
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  looked it up, I cannot find because I know there's like
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  famous lesbians we have, but there are very, very few
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  bisexual famous women that are dating or married to a woman.
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  And I don't think that's because there's not bisexual women
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  dating women. But I think that like, and we
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  can get into this, but like the lack of that representation I
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  think means that a lot of people that are actually bi won't say
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  that thereby. And then it only leads to people
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  calling themselves a lot lesbians when they're not
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  lesbians, and then ultimately setting up their own audiences
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  for disappointment when they actually are bisexual at the end
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  of the day. Yeah, we've got Kristen Stewart,
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  but I think Kristen. Oh my God.
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  That's so true. Yeah.
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  Oh my God, she's so hot. But.
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  I mean it's. Kristen Stewart, Yeah, but no, I
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  think you're right. Because when I think of bisexual
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  celebrities that I know of, I'm thinking old school.
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  Like I'm thinking Madonna, but I don't know that Madonna has ever
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  specifically said she's bi. But she's not straight, I'm
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  pretty sure. No tea on them.
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  Like you're still bi, but like, there's just a lack of this
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  public knowledge that like bi women can have girlfriends.
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  So let's get into what King Princess said.
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  This podcast of celebrity book club with Steven and Lily.
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  Lily asks if King Princess has ever had a quote by moment and
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  I'm just going to play this on my phone is deleted.
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  But of course it's on Reddit. Did you ever have a?
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  Vibe, just to jump in here, did you have a bye moment ever?
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  I've taken a lot of Dick, okay? So yeah.
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  And not just microphones. And not just this giant
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  microphone that's. I mean, yeah, of course
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  sometimes you get bored and you're just like, I'm just gonna
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  ride a cock. I don't know, people get really
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  like shook when I say that and I'm like why would I?
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  Why would I? I'm not bi but I why would?
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  People get people get upset because of, I'll say it,
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  misogyny. You you could take a Dick then
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  why couldn't a straight man take a Dick?
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  And that's what they were afraid of.
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  These are. Also, just like lesbians are
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  like what? I feel like you as a lesbian.
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  That are like, but you're like in a hoodie.
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  But I was like I. OK, so there's so much to
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  unpack. OK, Here's her quote.
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  I've taken a lot of Dick. Yeah, of course.
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  I think is also crazy where it's like, of course me as a lesbian
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  has taken a lot of Dick. And I feel like she says it with
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  such, like, pride in a way that, like, high school girls are
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  like, yeah. Yeah, I know.
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  Neither of us or our partners would ever say, oh, I get bored
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  and I'm going to ride on cock. But what a what a statement.
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  Specifically says I'm not bi but I do that or whatever and I'm
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  like why is she afraid of being bi?
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  Like it feels like she said this in front of other lesbians
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  before and they told her then you're not a lesbian because
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  it's like she's almost kind of like defensive about it
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  immediate. It wouldn't be a sin if if you
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  were when she says like, I'm not bi, but why would I exclude
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  myself? And it's like, well, because if
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  you are having to force yourself to not hook up with guys, then
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  you're probably not a lesbian. Like if you're feeling like I
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  have to exclude myself from hooking up with men, I don't
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  think. I mean, you guys tell me no.
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  Desire to help with men. Zero desire.
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  So I did write some notes about it, but why would I exclude the
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  idea of sex with men because I'm a lesbian is literally
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  ridiculous. Because that's exactly why you
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  would exclude them. Because lesbians are not
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  unattracted to men romantically or sexually.
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  You wouldn't feel like you're saying, like you're excluding
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  someone or like you're abstaining from something,
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  right? It shouldn't be hard.
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  It's not hard to not hook up with men.
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  And I think the idea that it is hard to give up men.
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  First of all, as someone who is bisexual, it is not like
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  something I'm abstaining from. Almost.
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  Like like she seems like men more than I do and she says
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  she's a lesbian. Yeah.
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  I'm confused about that. But like, it just like
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  perpetuates the idea that like, lesbians hate men.
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  And that's the reason why lesbians aren't with men because
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  like, oh, if they didn't hate men as much, then they would be
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  with men. Yeah, and that we all secretly
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  want a dude to like, fuck the gay out of us or something.
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  Yeah, you know, like it's just gross and weird.
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  And there's a part, I don't know if you're gonna play it, the
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  part where she talks about her body.
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  It's really, it's easier to be like, if you're single and
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  you're like, especially like in a foreign country, you're like,
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  like foreign guys are more into. I feel like if I was when I was
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  straight in middle school, men fucking love me.
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  I think they're super confused about what's going on.
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  And I'm like a gateway drug to Weiner, you know?
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  You know what I mean? It's like I look like a dude,
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  but then underneath the garb I hire, I have tiny little pussy
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  and tits. So it's like.
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  Oh my God, it's a keyhole. Yeah.
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  Yeah, a keyhole. Like it's, you can't even, you
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  can't even see it. And you're like, oh.
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  Was that the part? Yes, because though when you
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  were saying like the way she talks about like, yeah, I've
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  taken a lot of Dick, but yeah, when she says guys love me
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  because they like that under my hoodie that I have a tiny little
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  pussy and tits, it's giving like you are seeking male validation
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  constantly and you want to brag about like guys like my boobies
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  and they like my tiny tight pussy.
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  Like it's so weird and. Her thing that she's a gateway
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  to Wiener. Like what?
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  That's also like, first of all, I think she's a.
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  She thinks she's a lot more mask looking than she is.
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  Like wearing a hoodie doesn't make you look like an.
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  Itch. Exactly.
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  I was just gonna say, if a man's attracted to and you're wearing
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  a hoodie, that doesn't mean he's gay.
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  Yes. And so that's what I'm like.
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  This is like a really weird like way of thinking about like
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  gender. And I feel like saying because
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  of dressing in a more masculine way, the men that are into her
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  might secretly be by and like they want Weiner, like she's
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  helping them out like she's doing.
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  Such a service for them. So that makes her really.
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  Good lesbian helpful. Oh my God, you're so right.
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  Two major points there. I think there's a lot of people
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  that are wanting to take what King Princess said and
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  extrapolate it to mean like This is why barriers are unnecessary
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  and they're using it in a very like pro gender queer type of
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  like argument. Which is exactly the opposite of
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  what King Princess is literally saying is that those equal
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  gender and that like if a man is interested in you and you're not
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  giving super high femme, it means he's gay.
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  But also she has such male validation.
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  The people that have been like defending her, it's so funny
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  because they're obviously way smarter than her because they're
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  like intellectualizing the stupid thing she said and trying
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  to make it make sense. And I'm like, but there is there
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  are people that have fetishes for like turning lesbians or
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  it's called like dike breaking. And so many men have that that I
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  have like literally encountered when I say I'm a lesbian.
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  You, I'm sure you've experience this.
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  If you say you have a girlfriend.
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  It's like you don't even want to tell straight guys you have a
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  girlfriend because their responses are usually like, can
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  I watch? Do you need a third?
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  I am sure that my Dick will be the one that you'll you'll want.
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  Or they completely disregard it and then still try to hit on
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  yeah. And they, they, no, I'm not into
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  guys that they say, well, I've had sex with lesbians.
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  That is always the thing. And I'm like, no, you didn't
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  have sex with lesbians because if they had sex with you
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  willingly and they are not a lesbian, they're like Thai or
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  pan or queer or something. Yeah, I think I've gotten a lot
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  of people being like, how are you going to blame women for men
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  being creepy? And I'm not blaming women for
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  men being creepy because men are gross and creepy a lot of the
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  time. I would never blame a woman for
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  being sexually assaulted or sexually harassed.
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  But I don't think it helps men that already have this idea that
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  they can turn lesbians to be like, oh, I'm a lesbian.
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  But I fucked you because it's it just goes to back what they
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  already believed. A complete difference too.
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  It's like in the past, you don't have to be a Gold Star to be a
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  lesbian. I look waiting, not being the
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  same thing. It's like that is not the same
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  thing. If all she said was yeah, I've
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  taken a lot of Dick, but then I realized I'm a lesbian exactly,
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  that would have been fine. Nobody cared.
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  How many do you hooked up with before you realized you were a
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  lesbian? I don't know how many people
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  that are gold stars. I was just going to say sing.
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  And the equating of that being Gold Star is just like not the
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  same thing. Like I think there's also a
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  difference between someone who's not famous doing that on their
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  own. Then like talking about this on
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  a public platform. Like there are very few famous
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  lesbians. You are one of the very few,
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  like famous lesbian singers and you on a public platform is
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  bragging about how you take a lot of Dick and like, that has
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  consequences. And like, it does doesn't matter
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  what you're saying as a public person.
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  And like, there are a lot of men that will see that and be like,
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  that's what I fucking thought. And like, especially amidst the
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  political climate that we are in right now, we're like, you have
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  a privilege. And then people flamed me on the
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  Internet for saying this. As someone who's dated like men
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  and women, the difference in how people treat me is so
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  staggering. And I don't understand when
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  people say like, oh, it's the same, like it's the same amount
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  of discrimination. Discrimination comes in many
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  different forms, sexual violence, like societal
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  discrimination, political discrimination, etcetera,
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  etcetera. But like we are in a time where
• 21:38
  like we almost lost gay marriage.
• 21:41
  Like so lesbians are under attack when you are in a
• 21:45
  homosexual relationship. Like you are under attack right
• 21:48
  now and it's just not the time to be bragging about riding cock
• 21:52
  even if this was. A.
• 21:54
  No, for sure. I think, and it's wild that,
• 21:57
  yeah, she had made that statement about Fletcher.
• 22:01
  So she understands that as a celebrity you have a
• 22:04
  responsibility, but then she doesn't think it applies to her
• 22:08
  also. I wonder back to the part where
• 22:11
  she said it's easier when you're in a foreign country because
• 22:14
  it's also giving privilege in that, oh, if you were actually
• 22:19
  gay, you'd be shit out of luck in a foreign country where being
• 22:23
  gay is illegal. But since you like to fuck
• 22:25
  dudes, yeah, you can just hop on an app and find a dude to fuck.
• 22:29
  Like that's what it's giving to me.
• 22:31
  So. Yeah.
• 22:32
  Thing too I was going to say about the guy on the podcast
• 22:36
  saying oh misogyny why are you using that word that's.
• 22:40
  Just gonna be awesome. For this people online saying
• 22:44
  I'm being misogynistic by saying that lesbians don't have sex
• 22:50
  with men. Always been sensitive about
• 22:52
  this. And I came out in 2009.
• 22:58
  It was like still very much the era of like, that's so gay.
• 23:04
  Yeah, you know, it was still that era.
• 23:06
  Or like, I remember I had a friend in 2009 when I came out
• 23:11
  and had my first girlfriend and she and her best friend were
• 23:15
  doing that whole like faking it scenario for like attention,
• 23:19
  pretending they were in a relationship.
• 23:21
  And. And I remember she posted did
• 23:24
  you know? Because it said in a
• 23:25
  relationship with blah blah blah on Facebook.
• 23:28
  But then her bio said Alyssa wants me to tell you we don't
• 23:31
  actually do dyke shit. And I'm like, are you fucking
• 23:35
  kidding me? And I remember I told her that
• 23:36
  was offensive. And she was like, why?
• 23:38
  I'm just saying like, we can be in a relationship, but we are
• 23:42
  just really best friends. And I'm like, no, you're taking
• 23:45
  the meaning of something that is really important.
• 23:49
  And people, like gay marriage wasn't legal yet at that time.
• 23:51
  And you're like, making like a, like a joke out of it.
• 23:54
  And they're totally doing it to appeal to men, Right?
• 23:58
  Yeah. But yeah, I just, I don't get
• 24:01
  where the misogyny comes in. I think that people just throw
• 24:04
  around words and they don't know what they mean, but they think
• 24:07
  they sound. Smart.
• 24:08
  They think that they're sounding like, so like progressive.
• 24:11
  They're like, yes, misogynistic. You think otherwise?
• 24:14
  Yeah. No, do what you want to do, but
• 24:18
  like people are going to call you out when you say something
• 24:21
  on a public platform that reinforces A homophobic idea.
• 24:25
  And like the whole misogyny thing.
• 24:28
  I've seen this. I'm sure you guys have seen this
• 24:30
  like kind of pop up on the Internet when talking about
• 24:32
  bisexuals. And I think that like, the
• 24:35
  concept that they're saying is that like, OK, when when we're
• 24:39
  criticizing women for like sleeping with men, that's
• 24:42
  actually misogynistic. Now, like there's a difference
• 24:45
  between like slut shaming someone and then not liking men.
• 24:50
  Like, for example, is it is it misogynistic that I don't like
• 24:54
  your boyfriend? I don't think so.
• 24:57
  Like me liking if you had a girlfriend more because I could
• 25:01
  probably get along with that girl more than I'm going to get
• 25:03
  along with your boyfriend is not misogynistic to you.
• 25:07
  Because I feel like only at misogyny, I feel like only
• 25:10
  reinforces the idea that, like, you are the men you sleep with.
• 25:14
  Like you are not men. Like earned identity as a woman
• 25:17
  is not tied to men, whether or not you have a boyfriend or not.
• 25:20
  Yeah. Why are women even viewing
• 25:23
  themselves? I feel like it's like self
• 25:25
  misogyny to think that it's misogynistic when we're
• 25:28
  criticizing your boyfriend. You are not your boyfriend.
• 25:31
  Like yes, why you? Yourself so connected to men
• 25:35
  like I didn't even know that way.
• 25:37
  No, it is so interesting. It's OK.
• 25:39
  I'm thinking about how people love to throw around misogyny,
• 25:44
  patriarchy, and the word turf and they don't know what it
• 25:48
  means because turf means trans exclusionary, radical feminist.
• 25:54
  And people just learned that word or that acronym and they
• 25:57
  start calling everybody turfs. And I'm like you guys, I'm
• 26:00
  saying lesbians don't have sex with sis men.
• 26:06
  Yes, I, our podcast is super supportive of trans people and
• 26:12
  trans women can obviously be lesbians.
• 26:15
  And I've gotten into many fights with people in the comments who
• 26:17
  are actual turfs that are saying no, you would never date a trans
• 26:21
  woman if you are a lesbian. And I'm like, no, they're women.
• 26:24
  They identify as women, yes. But I think people don't know
• 26:27
  what it means. Think.
• 26:28
  That there is something that's happening with language so much,
• 26:30
  especially amidst the literacy crisis and the fact that, like,
• 26:35
  truth doesn't really matter because Trump is in office.
• 26:38
  So like. Yeah.
• 26:39
  There's already a deconstruction of like what words mean.
• 26:42
  And so then we're like throwing around misogyny turf,
• 26:46
  transphobic, but then like, what does lesbian mean?
• 26:49
  And what does whatever mean? And like, it seems like within
• 26:52
  the queer community, it's like, OK, don't know, it doesn't
• 26:55
  matter. And like I'm never going to like
• 26:56
  force someone to to label themselves a certain way.
• 27:00
  Like especially as like a bisexual.
• 27:02
  But like, I do think when we fully lose the meaning of what
• 27:06
  words are, then we lose communities.
• 27:08
  And then there's no one to, like, stand with you.
• 27:12
  Yeah, no, for sure. And I think that is something I
• 27:17
  have seen and I have felt myself, I think to us like we
• 27:21
  put lesbian in the name of our podcast because it is a really
• 27:26
  special, empowering word to us. And so I don't think it's wrong
• 27:31
  to have like a lesbian event. Well, we don't like hate people
• 27:36
  that aren't lesbians. And I think that people jump to
• 27:39
  this thing if you defend the word lesbian and its meaning,
• 27:44
  but people think that means that you hate by people or something.
• 27:49
  It's like, no, Oh my God, we don't.
• 27:51
  We love by people. Exactly.
• 27:55
  We know someone that's by my friend.
• 27:59
  Well, like, for example, like me engaging with your lesbian
• 28:03
  podcast. I never was like, oh, I hope
• 28:07
  they'll want to work with me. And I think that there is an
• 28:10
  element of like, you do have to deconstruct some internalization
• 28:15
  you have. And like, obviously I do think
• 28:18
  biphobia exists, but not every lesbian hates you.
• 28:21
  And there's allowed to be certain spaces that like, aren't
• 28:24
  even necessarily not inclusive just because the word lesbian,
• 28:29
  isn't it? No one ever comes for gay men
• 28:31
  and the way that they come for like, lesbians and lesbian
• 28:35
  spaces. There's like a handful of
• 28:37
  lesbian bars across the United States.
• 28:39
  There's I can see a gay bar from my apartment and like, that's
• 28:43
  amazing. I can't see a lesbian bar from
• 28:45
  my apartment. And then like, I'm sure there's
• 28:47
  a lot of lesbian bars that are feeling pressured into then
• 28:49
  saying like, oh, like queer bar. Yeah.
• 28:53
  Did their clientele even change or do they just feel like they
• 28:56
  can't say the word lesbian without people coming for them?
• 29:00
  Yeah, Yeah, we have. Girls never been to a lesbian
• 29:03
  bar? I know, and that is that I've
• 29:07
  been to a gay bar, but not a lesbian bar.
• 29:11
  I've heard that there is some sort of issue.
• 29:14
  There's a new lesbian bar that opened in What's Hollywood
• 29:18
  called Sweetwater, but people hate it.
• 29:20
  I guess the I know the lady was a cop.
• 29:22
  I did. I was just there remember my
• 29:26
  friends were like I was drunk and they were telling me
• 29:29
  something about a cop, like a masked cop or a Butch cop.
• 29:32
  So now I need to look this up. West Hollywood lesbian bar.
• 29:35
  Sweetwater cancels ex Hillary Clinton organizer.
• 29:39
  Her political views were not what a lot of people were.
• 29:42
  I don't know what are. Right.
• 29:45
  Yeah. Tanya Sikonovsky, this was a
• 29:49
  meet and greet. He's a Republican and a Zionist
• 29:53
  and lesbian. And then her appearance was
• 29:56
  pulled when everyone was like, why the hell is she there?
• 30:01
  Yeah, why the? Fuck, was she there?
• 30:04
  I Well, that makes me nervous about the Sweetwater place,
• 30:07
  because the word. Owned by Bernadette Bernie
• 30:10
  Gambino, who was a retired Los Angeles County Sheriff's
• 30:13
  Department Sergeant. OK, I knew she was a cop in some
• 30:16
  way, OK? And she is kind of Butch.
• 30:19
  Sergeant. Thing else that I've been
• 30:21
  getting a lot in comments when I'm trying to protect the word
• 30:25
  lesbian and the label of lesbians is people being like,
• 30:29
  well, what about the split attraction model?
• 30:33
  I hadn't heard that much about it, but apparently it started by
• 30:38
  like a sociologist studying asexual people, people on the A
• 30:42
  spectrum. And it basically kind of like
• 30:46
  explains like that you can be romantically attracted to
• 30:50
  someone but not sexually attracted or vice versa.
• 30:54
  It can be used and has been used for people that aren't on the
• 30:59
  aid spectrum. Now, I still don't think it
• 31:02
  should be used for lesbians. So what people are saying is
• 31:04
  like, they're like, yeah, she is a lesbian because she's homo
• 31:08
  romantic, but she's bisexual. Like, she wants to have sex with
• 31:12
  men, but she only wants to date women.
• 31:14
  And I'm like, OK, you can get into the week of it.
• 31:16
  Yeah. But let's just separate the word
• 31:18
  lesbian from that. Yeah.
• 31:20
  You. Can be like wanting to date
• 31:22
  women more but still wanting to sleep with men, which means that
• 31:25
  you're bisexual. Yeah, I think that that all
• 31:28
  falls. Under like something else that's
• 31:30
  not lesbian and like Princess has an issue with calling
• 31:35
  herself bisexual. I'm never going to be like, you
• 31:38
  have to be bisexual. But guess what?
• 31:40
  There's so many other identities you can pull from.
• 31:43
  You could be queer, you could be man, you could be just gay.
• 31:48
  Like yeah, you. Could be you could honestly come
• 31:50
  up with your own new label like. I just think it's also
• 31:55
  interesting as a lesbian who's like, I been in our relationship
• 32:02
  with my wife. Oh my God, almost 15 years.
• 32:05
  But like, I also didn't identify as a lesbian for a long time
• 32:09
  because I, I wasn't sure, even though, you know, I was like,
• 32:14
  I'm going to be with her forever, but do I really not
• 32:17
  have an attraction to men? And it did take me like kind of
• 32:21
  years to really deconstruct that.
• 32:23
  And I did realize that my only attraction to men was seeking
• 32:29
  the validation. Like I, when I drank, I wanted
• 32:32
  to go out. And I wanted men to think that I
• 32:33
  was hot, like, you know, But it wasn't that I would ever have a
• 32:37
  relationship with them or that I would even want to have sex with
• 32:40
  them. Like when I was a teenager, I
• 32:41
  used to tell guys that like me, that I was going to grow up to
• 32:44
  be a nun because I wanted them to leave me alone about having
• 32:47
  sex. I didn't really be anywhere near
• 32:49
  the penis. And so, like, really thinking
• 32:53
  those things through and like, back, I realized that I was a
• 32:57
  lesbian. And it felt really empowering to
• 32:59
  me. And so it is kind of hard for me
• 33:02
  when I see people, especially celebrities, seeming to like,
• 33:06
  yeah, seek out sis men and that stuff, yeah.
• 33:11
  There's like a very big chance like King Princess has trauma
• 33:16
  with this and is like projecting and like wanting male validation
• 33:19
  and doesn't enjoy it to in the extent that maybe she's
• 33:22
  pretending like she enjoys it. Like there's a huge chance.
• 33:26
  But like when you're a public person, you need to acknowledge.
• 33:29
  I know people don't like the idea like that.
• 33:31
  You have to be careful what you say about your sexuality
• 33:33
  publicly. Like if you're a famous person,
• 33:35
  like when JoJo Siwa said sexuality is fluid when she came
• 33:39
  out as bisexual, It's like you do have to think about the
• 33:41
  language you use. It's unfortunate that it falls
• 33:44
  on us because then Republicans and straight people like use it
• 33:47
  against us. But like JoJo Siwa, sexuality is
• 33:51
  fluid for you. Awesome.
• 33:54
  But don't just say it is fluid. And like King Princess, you can
• 33:58
  say I still seek male validation and I hook up with men like you.
• 34:03
  Do have to think about what you say?
• 34:05
  We feel the effects of that. Yeah, for sure.
• 34:09
  People really think that they are just being the most
• 34:12
  progressive and the most woke by saying sexuality is fluid and
• 34:18
  I'll hold space for this person if they want to be with a man
• 34:21
  like that is like they really think they did something by that
• 34:25
  with that and that they're being so welcoming and opening.
• 34:30
  But you're actually doing the opposite because you are still
• 34:33
  being homophobic because you're saying that my identity is not
• 34:38
  valid because I'm saying mine is not fluid.
• 34:41
  I have no desire or attraction for men and you're invalidating
• 34:46
  that so far on on one side that now you're spouting conversion
• 34:50
  therapy idea. So he went back around.
• 34:53
  Right. Yeah, sexuality is not better
• 34:56
  because it's more fluid. And I think because we are in
• 34:58
  like a woke literacy crisis, like this idea that like, you
• 35:02
  almost are open to all people seems Woker.
• 35:05
  Yeah. It's not about having a better
• 35:08
  identity. I think there's a lot of people
• 35:09
  that are saying, oh, I think just everyone's bisexual.
• 35:12
  It's like you're. Bisexual.
• 35:14
  Yeah, you. Are and I love that for you, but
• 35:17
  not everyone. Is Oh my God, since my mind is
• 35:22
  by. Everyone is by.
• 35:23
  Everyone, everyone else, yeah, yeah.
• 35:25
  I have asked people that have been defending this situation
• 35:29
  and the topics that came up from it, which are really just can we
• 35:34
  include sex or relationships with men in the definition of
• 35:38
  lesbianism? And I'm like, no.
• 35:41
  And then people are fighting so, so hard to include them.
• 35:46
  And I'm like, I've asked them, why do you want fifth men
• 35:51
  included so bad? And they're like, you're being a
• 35:55
  turf, you're being misogynistic. And I'm like, but I'm only
• 35:58
  excluding fifth men. And that is, that is what they
• 36:02
  think for sure. What are you talking about?
• 36:04
  And I think also. Like the people complaining
• 36:06
  about being like included or not like it's not about being
• 36:09
  included. Like it's your sexuality.
• 36:12
  Like it's not about like a space.
• 36:14
  Like it's not about like, oh, you don't you hate them?
• 36:16
  Like then I think we're moving farther away from the idea of
• 36:19
  what sexuality is. Not wanting to sleep with
• 36:21
  someone, not wanting to date someone doesn't mean you hate
• 36:24
  them. It doesn't mean that.
• 36:26
  It just means that that's your sexuality.
• 36:28
  Yeah, it's so weird. I mind if I read King Princess's
• 36:34
  responses. No, that would be great.
• 36:37
  OK, cool. So after this backlash happened
• 36:41
  and the clips resurfaced, King Princess responded with at least
• 36:46
  one TikTok. I think there were two.
• 36:48
  They were all deleted. But we have her quotes.
• 36:51
  And she said, quote, you're pissed that I've slept with a
• 36:54
  guy. By this logic, it's the same
• 36:56
  thing that Republicans say when a guy explores their sexuality
• 37:00
  with another guy and they're like, you're gay.
• 37:03
  That's what you're saying. I have to be bisexual because
• 37:06
  I've slept with men. That's insane.
• 37:08
  My response to that is if you are wanting to sleep with
• 37:12
  another man and you are a man, you are probably queer.
• 37:16
  Yeah. Yeah, I think that that doesn't
• 37:21
  mean that that you're gay like you're not 100% gay.
• 37:25
  You like she's trying to rewrite the narrative and make it that
• 37:30
  we care that she's had sex with men in the past exactly because
• 37:33
  she said, you're saying I have to be bisexual because I've
• 37:37
  slept with men. And it's like, no, we're saying,
• 37:39
  because you said you actively get out, get out, and you're not
• 37:42
  defending it. So yeah, that was two years ago.
• 37:45
  You came on and made this video defending it and trying to
• 37:47
  rewrite it to something else. Yeah, and like that whole thing
• 37:50
  where she was like, I've never dated a man.
• 37:53
  I've never been in love with the man.
• 37:55
  And it's like, girl, that. Doesn't matter like yeah, she
• 38:00
  says quote, it's kind of low key disrespectful to bisexuals to
• 38:04
  say that what I've done and was doing in the past is an
• 38:07
  identity. I would say I was literally just
• 38:10
  being a slut and attention whore and wanting someone to want me.
• 38:14
  I don't think that's fair to the bisexual community to even
• 38:17
  equate me with that. Like and I think that like maybe
• 38:20
  she's not defending herself well or maybe not explaining, but
• 38:24
  like if she's saying that she's expensing compact and like then
• 38:27
  say that girl, But then also what you're saying, it sounds
• 38:30
  like you're and then slut shaming bisexuals that then
• 38:34
  sleep with men like her attempt to try to defend bisexuals.
• 38:38
  I'm like queen or king Princess. I you're saying it's
• 38:44
  disrespectful to bisexuals to say that you're bisexual.
• 38:47
  It's disrespectful to say that it's disrespectful to say that
• 38:50
  you're bisexual because how she is explaining her sexuality is
• 38:54
  like the same percentage or not percentage, but the amount that
• 38:58
  like I am attracted to men, like I don't want to be with a man.
• 39:02
  She doesn't want to be with a man but like I'm bisexual and
• 39:05
  it's like her feeling like she needs to be 5050 to be bisexual
• 39:10
  is. Yes, yes.
• 39:12
  And also it's making it, yeah, it is giving a little bit slut
• 39:15
  shammy, which is weird. And I think is I think maybe she
• 39:20
  has some internalized stuff with thinking that bisexuality means
• 39:26
  promiscuous or something. Yeah, I've heard that like, as
• 39:29
  you know, a fucked up stereotype that I literally see on TV all
• 39:33
  the time because I watch all those stupid reality shows like,
• 39:37
  oh, like if they're bisexual, they always get to buy they
• 39:42
  assume that they're also Polly and or they will cheat on you
• 39:46
  with someone, someone, whoever, like, yeah, just because someone
• 39:49
  is bisexual doesn't mean that. And if they are Polly, that's
• 39:53
  fine. And if they do cheat on you, but
• 39:56
  that's not because they're bisexual.
• 39:58
  I feel like she's just really confused on both what being a
• 40:02
  lesbian and being bisexual me. Maybe free yourself from either
• 40:06
  term. Like maybe just be like, I'm
• 40:08
  queer, you know what I mean? You can also be on labels like,
• 40:11
  yeah, because then then she says, quote, I'm a lesbian.
• 40:14
  The amount that I actually care about men romantically or
• 40:17
  sexuality or sexually is so small that like it would be
• 40:21
  inappropriate to call myself bisexual.
• 40:24
  I'm, I'm a lesbian, I've been a lesbian.
• 40:26
  I will continue to be a lesbian because it doesn't change.
• 40:28
  And I just think this quote is so crazy because she's
• 40:30
  acknowledging that she does view men romantically and sexually,
• 40:34
  just like a very small amount. And like that means like that's,
• 40:39
  that's bisexual or that's queer, but like lesbians don't view men
• 40:43
  romantically and sexually. I don't.
• 40:46
  Like it is like old misconception that people have
• 40:50
  where they're like by means I'm 50% into men and 50% into women.
• 40:56
  And it's like, no, like what I have seen is like I'm 100%
• 41:01
  bisexual. I made a video saying so many of
• 41:03
  the different terms that she could use besides lesbian.
• 41:06
  I'm like, you could say something.
• 41:08
  You could say queer, you could say fluid.
• 41:10
  They're like you should she should be allowed to use the
• 41:13
  lesbian label because that's how she what she feels that she is.
• 41:17
  But it's like, that's not what it actually is, no.
• 41:21
  I can see what people are saying about don't police other
• 41:23
  people's identities, but at the same time, when you're in the
• 41:25
  public eye, people, the masses view what you say as like
• 41:31
  gospel. And so they're like, well, King
• 41:34
  Princess said that this is what a lesbian is and people don't
• 41:39
  take lesbians seriously, like, and so it just adds to it.
• 41:43
  And I've experienced it like my mom like setting me up or trying
• 41:47
  to set me up on a date with a fireman when I was already
• 41:49
  dating my wife. And like, like he didn't take it
• 41:52
  as like as it was serious or something.
• 41:55
  And that's the thing I think people have that idea of like,
• 41:59
  oh, it's like lesbians, it's just a phase, and then they're
• 42:01
  going to be with a dude. So when people identify as
• 42:05
  lesbian on public platforms and then go and say that they do
• 42:09
  like to be with dudes, it just adds to the idea that people
• 42:14
  already have that. Like, no woman actually doesn't
• 42:17
  want a man. Yeah, you're going to find the
• 42:19
  right man eventually. And like.
• 42:21
  Like the one that will the 1% that will kill you in terms of
• 42:26
  labeling, like label yourself. Like I don't want to be so
• 42:31
  strict. We're like, we obviously tell
• 42:33
  people how to label themselves. But I do think like, people need
• 42:36
  to at least talk more personally about their own sexuality
• 42:40
  instead of making it like this broad stroke.
• 42:43
  Because I just don't like how she's like, of course I've slept
• 42:47
  with Matt. Oh my God.
• 42:49
  I love to go catch a Dick. Like maybe she could be like I
• 42:52
  don't know. I'm honestly trying to figure
• 42:54
  out if I'm even attracted to men or if I just use them for fun.
• 42:57
  Like if you want to be personal, be personal.
• 42:59
  But like you're making broad strokes for a community that's
• 43:03
  already under attack. Like you have to think about
• 43:05
  what you're saying. Yeah.
• 43:07
  Yeah, exactly. And then the final thing she
• 43:09
  says is like. Pretty crazy, he.
• 43:12
  Goes quote. Go find someone else who's
• 43:15
  actually lying. Like who's really fucking lying.
• 43:18
  There are a bunch of them. You guys might want to check on
• 43:21
  the pop Divas who are actively lying about being gay and fully
• 43:24
  committed relationships with men on the DL.
• 43:27
  Literally like take the flame off me and then it's like going
• 43:29
  to throw other what 3 famous lesbian pop Divas like Renee
• 43:35
  Wrapped Chabarone? Like who else?
• 43:36
  I was like, that's it. Yeah.
• 43:40
  And say that they're in relationships with men like
• 43:42
  Also, no one thought you were lying.
• 43:44
  We believe you, we just don't understand why you think you're
• 43:46
  a lesbian like. Yeah, and that's what makes me
• 43:48
  think that she actually is. And she's just projecting.
• 43:50
  She's like, oh, like I wouldn't date a man.
• 43:53
  Like I'm in a relationship with a man.
• 43:54
  Yeah, I just fucked them. That's it.
• 43:58
  I did think that was weird and you know, I don't know.
• 44:01
  I think it's kind of sad. I always worry that anyone that
• 44:04
  is a celebrity that comes out of the lesbian is going to start
• 44:07
  dating a guy. Disappointed because I feel like
• 44:10
  it's happened before. And so I was really nervous when
• 44:15
  Chapel came out and when Renee came out.
• 44:19
  Both eminent and people like as a whole seem to not believe that
• 44:27
  feminine presenting women can be lesbian.
• 44:29
  Yeah, they believe more masculine ones can or.
• 44:33
  Like you're too pretty to be gay.
• 44:34
  Like you're too pretty to be a lesbian.
• 44:36
  It just also like makes me think about the misogyny thing we were
• 44:38
  talking about before because it's like, what is actually
• 44:40
  misogynistic thinking that every woman has been made to have a
• 44:44
  penis inside them? Like sorry for the crude
• 44:47
  language, but like from the beginning of time, like it's
• 44:50
  lesbophobia, but like lesbophobia is also so
• 44:52
  misogynistic because like you inherently view women as like
• 44:56
  made for men. And you can't fucking imagine
• 44:59
  that like a woman that you'd be attracted to wouldn't be
• 45:02
  interested in you. And like, everyone's talking
• 45:05
  about misogyny for like bisexuals.
• 45:07
  Like we're not thinking about the misogyny and like men
• 45:10
  literally thinking that like, oh, you're pretty, you have to
• 45:13
  be made for a man. Like that's so.
• 45:15
  Disgusting. Yeah.
• 45:16
  So weird. That reminds me of how like the
• 45:19
  word vagina came from thief for a sword.
• 45:24
  Yeah. No.
• 45:27
  This is what I I read and then I was like, I love the word vagina
• 45:31
  but now I don't want to use it. I want to use a different word.
• 45:34
  We don't ruin my day. No, no.
• 45:40
  I remember when you were telling me that I was like, excuse.
• 45:43
  Me men and their language. No, like actually who's next
• 45:47
  though? Because is King Princess pulling
• 45:50
  out these names because she's just trying to like put the
• 45:52
  flame somewhere else or? Yeah, I don't know, but I it
• 45:56
  would be really upset if Renee Ref didn't.
• 45:59
  Come out. I know.
• 46:00
  After that whole Betty Who thing being like I'm holding space for
• 46:04
  her, if in 10 years she falls in love with the man and she was
• 46:08
  like the fuck what is Betty? Who is right?
• 46:12
  Yeah. Then we all need to move to an
• 46:16
  island or something. Absolutely.
• 46:19
  The. Island Lesbos.
• 46:20
  The Lesbos. Yeah.
• 46:22
  So I guess like any final thoughts on the King Princess
• 46:25
  discourse? I.
• 46:28
  Disappointed but not surprised because unfortunately, like you
• 46:34
  said, when you're a celebrity, there is always that
• 46:37
  possibility. Not saying for us, but it's just
• 46:40
  like the entire world is watching you and they're waiting
• 46:43
  for you to like fuck up. And then that reflects on us
• 46:47
  because we already experienced that in our everyday lives.
• 46:50
  Like there's men that constantly trying to like get with you,
• 46:54
  even if you say like, I have a wife, I have this to the point
• 46:58
  where like you don't feel comfortable telling them that
• 47:01
  because then it turns into like a, oh, how can I change that?
• 47:05
  Not let me respect that, you know?
• 47:08
  And it just continues when celebrities do that.
• 47:10
  Yeah, I mean, I think it also feeds into this.
• 47:14
  I mean, it feeds into so many things, but I think about how
• 47:18
  when men are hitting on you, you have to the only way to get them
• 47:22
  to respect that the answer is no is to say you have a husband or
• 47:27
  a boyfriend because they only respect you as another man's
• 47:30
  property. It just ties into that in that
• 47:33
  it's like men don't believe that there are women that don't want
• 47:39
  them. And I don't think it's helpful
• 47:42
  for celebrities to go around and make people feel like that or
• 47:47
  like that and convince people of that.
• 47:49
  I really want to say that I was probably King Princess's like #8
• 47:55
  fan. I don't know.
• 47:57
  Music is really good. Is it always in my?
• 48:00
  Top on my Spotify people were like what the fuck?
• 48:02
  King Princess isn't even relevant anymore and I was like
• 48:04
  shut up pussy as God is like one of my favorite songs like the
• 48:07
  music is. So good.
• 48:09
  And I'm gonna continue to listen.
• 48:11
  Yeah. Yeah, definitely the.
• 48:14
  Art from the artist. Yeah, I feel like I defended her
• 48:17
  a lot when anybody talked about her.
• 48:20
  Not irrelevant or like for new music not being good.
• 48:24
  I was like leave her alone. And I'm like, Oh no.
• 48:27
  We can be critical of them because.
• 48:29
  Oh, yes, OK. This is the other thing that I
• 48:32
  think is important to mention, and this applies to so many
• 48:36
  different things, but it does apply to this.
• 48:38
  Some of the comments I've gotten are really, in a time like this,
• 48:42
  you're going to comment negatively on other queer
• 48:47
  people. And I get what they're saying,
• 48:51
  but also, yes, I am because I feel like what they're spreading
• 48:55
  is wrong. And I see this with when I talk
• 48:59
  about gay representation on TV shows or movies.
• 49:03
  That's not good. People are like, oh, so you're
• 49:06
  being homophobic. You don't want there to be
• 49:08
  representation. It's like condescending because
• 49:11
  it's like, oh, we should just be happy with whatever we have.
• 49:14
  And we don't. Need high standards and we
• 49:16
  should just be happy that there's even a lesbian singer.
• 49:19
  Like exactly. Totally agree, like I think
• 49:21
  you're allowed to critique and or even just like not even
• 49:25
  critique but be like hey what? I don't think she should be
• 49:29
  cancelled off the Internet. I hope she like explores why she
• 49:32
  feels like she needs to sleep with men and like if she's
• 49:35
  genuinely attracted to men, like maybe think about maybe what
• 49:39
  your identity is then. Still going to listen to her
• 49:43
  music your. Spotify rapped is going to be
• 49:45
  like King Princess at the top. So much for coming on the pod.
• 49:51
  This was so fun. I feel like we had such a
• 49:53
  fruitful conversation. Yes, a fruity, fruitful.
• 49:58
  Yes. We'll have to figure out an
• 50:01
  episode in season 4 that you will want to be on.
• 50:06
  Yeah. Excited.
• 50:07
  There are so many gay movies and literally, you know, content.
• 50:11
  Yeah. Thank you so much for having us.
• 50:14
  Yeah. Of course.
• 50:14
  Do you guys want to tell listeners where they can find
• 50:17
  you on socials and then also to listen to your podcast?
• 50:20
  Yes at but I'm a lesbian pod on all the socials and our podcast
• 50:28
  is on Spotify, Apple podcast and YouTube.
• 50:33
  If you just search but I'm a lesbian podcast you will find
• 50:36
  it. OK so our seasons are 24
• 50:40
  episodes long, so if you're looking for something to binge,
• 50:43
  we've got like over 60. Episodes out, yeah.
• 50:46
  So go watch us, because we're also on Tello.
• 50:49
  Oh my God we're on Tello so if anyone listening haven't heard
• 50:53
  of Telo it is so cool. Basically it's the lesbian
• 50:57
  Netflix. So it's a streaming app.
• 50:59
  We are one of I think they have 4 podcasts.
• 51:02
  Yeah. So we were one of their very
• 51:03
  first podcast on there. So you can watch all of our
• 51:06
  video on there if you have Telo also have a Patreon and we do
• 51:11
  mini shows on there. So it's it's also but on the
• 51:14
  lesbian pod. The lowest here is $5 a month.
• 51:18
  You get ad free episodes and you get one mini sod a week.
• 51:23
  So we do really fun things. She kept accidentally describing
• 51:27
  it as like, oh, spicy things. I'm.
• 51:30
  Thinking exclusive but then I'm like.
• 51:33
  Only fans, yes, and I. Was like, wait, wait, it's not.
• 51:36
  We're talking about lesbian things.
• 51:38
  But the way it was like coming up is, yes, it's exclusive, but
• 51:42
  it's not. It's not like Oh, exclusive but
• 51:45
  not explicit. Yeah.
• 51:47
  OK, amazing everyone check out but I'm a lesbian podcast.
• 51:50
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• 51:54
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• 51:58
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• 52:00
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• 52:02
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• 52:04
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• 52:07
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• 52:08
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• 52:11
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• 52:14
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