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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 7-9-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. Everybody.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven ninety
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Speaker 2: two one FM. Glad to be with you, Glad to
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Speaker 2: be back after some time in Dallas, well in Frisco
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Speaker 2: for the Big twelve media days at the Star Dallas
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Speaker 2: Cowboys practice facility, collected teams in the Big twelve conference
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Speaker 2: by U Texas Tech Houston on day one. Utah really
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Speaker 2: the headliner for day two. It felt it felt like
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Speaker 2: the event was very much geared toward Day one and
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Speaker 2: that Day two was a little bit of a Hey, Utah,
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Speaker 2: you got to carry this thing, which not my favorite,
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Speaker 2: not my favorite media day that I've ever experienced or
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Speaker 2: been to. But some things to talk about, some things
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Speaker 2: to take away will have sound for you. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: today and tomorrow on our show on the Driver'spence Check
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Speaker 2: its based on some of those things.
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Speaker 1: While we were doing Big twelve media days.
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Speaker 2: You've got Wimbledon going on, You've got World Cup soccer
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Speaker 2: going on, although yesterday no World Cup game, and it
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Speaker 2: was hilarious to see the American sports audience be like,
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Speaker 2: wait a second.
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Speaker 1: No World Cup game.
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Speaker 2: Today, We've had this like continuous fire hose of soccer,
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Speaker 2: and we've grown accustomed to it, We've fallen in love
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Speaker 2: with it.
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Speaker 1: And now.
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Speaker 2: You get another game today, France versus Morocco. First kick
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Speaker 2: at two o'clock, right when our show goes.
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Speaker 1: Fine.
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Speaker 2: I think France is the eventual winner of this tournament.
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Speaker 2: But Morocco has surprised a lot of people to this point.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they can do it again today.
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Speaker 3: It's too bad, oh see that the American audience is
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Speaker 3: gonna be watching because you lost us with no with
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Speaker 3: no game, and US men's national team bowed out in
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Speaker 3: kind of embarrassing fashion well on Monday.
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Speaker 1: So it's too bad. No one, no one here is
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Speaker 1: gonna watch, right. That was another thing.
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Speaker 2: It was wild, uh, the violent reaction to the US
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Speaker 2: men's national team exit in the round of sixteen, which
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Speaker 2: is kind of where most of us thought they were
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Speaker 2: gonna fall out.
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I had the I had, I was.
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Speaker 3: I went a little bolder. I'm like, they're going to
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Speaker 3: the quarters, and I were really good about that. You
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Speaker 3: they landed right where you predict them to be and
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Speaker 3: a lot of other people predicted them to be.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna pretend I'm a soccer genius and
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Speaker 2: that's why I got that right. It's because you know,
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Speaker 2: you look around and you just kind of hate decap
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Speaker 2: the field, and you say, this is before we knew
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Speaker 2: what the bracket was going to look like. Admittedly, this
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Speaker 2: is before we really allowed for the fact that the
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Speaker 2: US men's national team was going to look so good
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Speaker 2: and dominant in group play and win the group and
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Speaker 2: have a slightly easier path because of winning the group.
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Speaker 1: But man, it was.
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Speaker 2: It's it's good to see, honestly, and I count myself
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Speaker 2: among those who jumped on the soccer bandwagon during this
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Speaker 2: World Cup. And I will never ever dispute the value
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Speaker 2: of proximity bias, recency bias, of that prisoner of the moment,
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Speaker 2: like all you got to do is win. In America
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Speaker 2: is going to love you because we got on board
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Speaker 2: with this US men's national team. And then watching watching
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Speaker 2: the way that everyone now is just hating on Christian pulistic,
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Speaker 2: watching the way that everyone is heartbroken and devastated over
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Speaker 2: the fact that the United States is actually not an
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Speaker 2: elite soccer nation, which by the way, is something we
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Speaker 2: have known for a century. And yet the team fooled
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Speaker 2: us a little bit though flow balgain in particular, got
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Speaker 2: us feeling like could be more than what could rise
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Speaker 2: above our station.
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Speaker 1: In that way.
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Speaker 2: You're right, That's what happened is people were just like, oh,
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Speaker 2: wait a second, maybe we have more pace, more talent,
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Speaker 2: more depth than we originally gave this team credit for.
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Speaker 2: Maybe Mauricio Poshattino is really the savior in that coaching
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Speaker 2: position that we've been looking for.
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Speaker 1: And the answer is, well, not yet. Right.
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Speaker 2: We are where we thought we were, or where I
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Speaker 2: thought we were, or where most experts thought we were right.
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Speaker 2: And one of the fascinating things that has come out
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Speaker 2: of it, and I think maybe the most positive thing
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Speaker 2: that has come out of Team USA's early exit or
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Speaker 2: predictable exit from the World Cup, is it is adding
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Speaker 2: a harsh light on the youth soccer system in the
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Speaker 2: United States of America and the youth sports system in
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Speaker 2: the United States of America in general. We are long
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Speaker 2: past due for a bit of a reckoning on that front.
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Speaker 2: And you saw Alexi Lawless taking the capitalist side of
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Speaker 2: the argument with Tierryanri and Zlatani Brahimovich, and those two,
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Speaker 2: I mean generationally great Hall of fame. All world soccer
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Speaker 2: players were saying like, yeah, as we have learned more
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Speaker 2: about the way the system works in the United States.
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Speaker 2: Tierryan Ree said, I would not have been an elite
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Speaker 2: footballer in the United States because my family could not
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Speaker 2: have afforded it. As Laton said the same thing, and
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Speaker 2: Alexi Lawless because he likes to be a contrarian, and
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Speaker 2: his whole shtick is he's going to be the guy
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Speaker 2: that says the thing nobody likes is he was like, well,
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Speaker 2: you know, but it's it's okay. That system is okay
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Speaker 2: because there are people who are highly successful based on
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Speaker 2: this model. And he's not talking about the soccer nation,
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Speaker 2: and he's not talking about the players, and he's not
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Speaker 2: talking about the American born and bred coaches. He's talking
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Speaker 2: about the owners of the academy systems and the owners
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Speaker 2: of the little league tournaments and the owners of the
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Speaker 2: travel squads and all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 3: By the way, himself, as he's parlayed a mediocre by
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Speaker 3: international standards soccer career, but really good pioneer US soccer
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Speaker 3: player parlayed that into a incredible media career. So he's
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Speaker 3: propping up himself a little bit when he talks about that.
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Speaker 2: Is one thing that is difficult for anybody in any
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Speaker 2: role in any place in the world to do is
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Speaker 2: to look at a system that isn't this that served
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Speaker 2: you well, and to say that it was bad. Of course,
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Speaker 2: it's one of the hardest things for anyone to do
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Speaker 2: to just be like, well, that's not how it should be,
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Speaker 2: because if you're like, well, that's that's.
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Speaker 1: How I did it, right.
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Speaker 2: Every everybody who grew up with their parents being like
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Speaker 2: kind of strict, right, spanking now and again, that's probably
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Speaker 2: how you're gonna parent because you're like, I turned out fine,
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Speaker 2: You think you turned out fine? Right, No, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna you tell yourself this and then we're the
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Speaker 2: software generation.
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Speaker 1: When I've had this.
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Speaker 2: Conversation with myself, my parents were very strict when I
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Speaker 2: was a kid, Right, I'm like, I'm gonna be strict
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Speaker 2: with my kids because it builds character.
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Speaker 1: I'm not with my own kids, but in my head,
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Speaker 1: I want to be right.
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Speaker 2: For Alexi Lawless, he's gonna defend a system that put
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Speaker 2: him in the place that he's in right now. For
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Speaker 2: tierry on Ran'slasi Brahimovitch, there, they might be looking outside outside,
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Speaker 2: looking in at that system and going that's a terrible thing.
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Speaker 3: Well, they're here's where I feel like they have more merit. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: they have a lot more soccer credibility because as you said,
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Speaker 3: they're they were all World players, right, compared to like
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Speaker 3: to Alexi Lawis, who was only an All World player
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Speaker 3: because he happened to play in the mediocre soccer country
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Speaker 3: in the United States at the time.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: But that aside, they have more merit in this because
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Speaker 3: they come from places, particularly Tirion Ree in France, who
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Speaker 3: expect to win World Cups. And I mean not not
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Speaker 3: necessarily is a lot of time from Sweden, but a
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Speaker 3: lot They have a lot higher expectation in the United
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Speaker 3: States always ever has in World Cups, right, And so
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Speaker 3: they they their perspective is a lot better than Alexi
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Speaker 3: Lawis is because all we've had until these last two
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Speaker 3: World Cups, when we called this the Golden Generation and
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Speaker 3: all of a sudden there's been expectations behind this team
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Speaker 3: is let's just go out there and not embarrass and
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Speaker 3: not embarrass ourselves in front of the world. Let's let's
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Speaker 3: win our group, let's get to the knockout stage, and
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Speaker 3: then whatever happens after that is gravy that's not the
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Speaker 3: standard for tyran Ree in France when he was playing,
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Speaker 3: and so they're they're perspective has a lot more.
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Speaker 2: Marriage and guess what that actually is not the standard
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Speaker 2: for US soccer. That that's the thing that we are.
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Speaker 2: That's the difficult thing about this conversation. We we decided
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Speaker 2: to move the goalpost in this world Cuer guy. So
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Speaker 2: we decided to We moved it because we were just like,
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Speaker 2: oh wait, maybe they're better than we thought we were.
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Speaker 2: They were Maybe Poshatino is a better fit that we
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Speaker 2: thought he was. Maybe being the host nation and the
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Speaker 2: attention that it's getting right now means enough that we
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Speaker 2: are going to advance further. Nobody in their right mind
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Speaker 2: thought that this US men's national team was going to
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Speaker 2: win the World Cup. Most people didn't think they were
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Speaker 2: gonna make it to the quarterfinals. Go find like revisionist history,
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Speaker 2: Go find the credible predictor who said they would be
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Speaker 2: a semi final team. Nobody, nobody was saying these things right.
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Speaker 2: And now we are dissatisfied with the result. And the
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Speaker 2: reason we're dissatisfied with the result is not because Team
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Speaker 2: USA loss to Belgium.
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Speaker 1: It's because of how embarrassing.
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Speaker 2: That loss was you got humiliated on home soil, a
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Speaker 2: packed stadium, one of the loudest stadiums in our professional
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Speaker 2: sports world, one of the more dedicated soccer fan bases
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Speaker 2: is up there in Seattle.
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Speaker 1: And you got embarrassed.
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Speaker 2: And your captain, America Christian Polisic looked like kind of
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Speaker 2: a baby back, you know what, because he wasn't playing
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Speaker 2: well and then he got a hard tackle, and then
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Speaker 2: again it's the injuries. And it was weird that that
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Speaker 2: moment felt like it gave the older generation of player,
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Speaker 2: the more successful generation of player on the women's side,
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Speaker 2: gave them almost permission to finally say what.
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Speaker 1: They wanted to say about Pulisic. Did you get that sense?
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Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
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Speaker 2: In that it felt like a lot of those people
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Speaker 2: had been biting their tongue and taking the company line
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Speaker 2: and realizing, like, Hey, this is our guy right now,
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Speaker 2: this is the face of US soccer. I cannot captain
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Speaker 2: America is literal his literal nickname, which I take grave
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Speaker 2: offense too.
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Speaker 3: But he hasn't even been the captain, by the way.
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Speaker 3: I think this year he was the captain. But when
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Speaker 3: he got that nickname, he was he wasn't even the captain.
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Speaker 1: But that we digress.
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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it felt like
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Speaker 2: Carly Lloyd and Clint Dempsey and to some extent Alexi Laless,
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Speaker 2: but certainly Landon Donovan. They were like, Okay, now, now
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Speaker 2: I could tell people what I really think about this guy.
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Speaker 3: You don't don't want to rain on the parade, right like,
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Speaker 3: you gotta wait and wait until you see how far
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Speaker 3: this team's gonna go, because maybe they prove you wrong,
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Speaker 3: maybe they prove your your negative thinking wrong. And then
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Speaker 3: after they prove it right after you feel like you're
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Speaker 3: proven right, go ahead and rail on them. I don't
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Speaker 3: hate that approach.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, the easiest thing for all of
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Speaker 2: us to do is to be the armchair soccer player,
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Speaker 2: the armchair center midfielder and just be like, you know what,
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Speaker 2: you'd have to amputate my leg and wheel me out
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Speaker 2: of there before I pulled out of an elimination game
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Speaker 2: in the World Cup on home soil.
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Speaker 1: Everyone is saying that, and some people that's true.
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Speaker 2: Other people, one thing that is a little silly is
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Speaker 2: expecting soccer players to tough it out. That's the only
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Speaker 2: thing we don't expect from soccer players to be tough.
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Speaker 2: That's like the number one thing that we do not
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Speaker 2: expect from soccer players. Every other sport, you're just like,
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Speaker 2: play through the contact, play through the pain. In soccer,
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Speaker 2: we're just like if a butterfly lands on you, act
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Speaker 2: like you've been shot.
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Speaker 3: Roll over twelve times until the ref gives such out
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Speaker 3: of yellow cards.
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Speaker 2: So I have one side of me, the larger half,
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Speaker 2: the larger not half, The larger fraction of my brain says, yeah,
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Speaker 2: don't call yourself Captain America. Don't walk around looking cocky
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Speaker 2: and awesome. You're like the eightieth best player in this
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Speaker 2: tournament maybe okay, and Bwigan clearly outshined you. He I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's worth noting. I know that's part of the criticism
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Speaker 2: you're talking about here. It's worth noting that Baligan was
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Speaker 2: fully healthy the whole tournament. Polistic clearly was not.
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Speaker 1: But still.
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Speaker 2: So, the larger part of me is is doing what
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Speaker 2: Carly Lloyd is doing and just being like, yeah, man,
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Speaker 2: that's unacceptable. I know you might be limping around, maybe
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Speaker 2: you got a sprain, maybe whatever, And look, it's different
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Speaker 2: in soccer than it is in other sports. They did
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Speaker 2: got to run so much. The report today is that
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Speaker 2: he has a micro a micro fracture. Okay, again, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, a little more serious than we've probably thought
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Speaker 2: it was in the moment, just to be fair. But
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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, even if he stays
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Speaker 2: in that game, he was a non factor and this
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Speaker 2: team embarrassed themselves and nobody is happy with the result.
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Speaker 1: Is it going to change anything? Well? Maybe.
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Speaker 2: And the reason I say maybe is because instead of
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Speaker 2: asking the question about, well, who should we have be
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Speaker 2: our coach? Right, every time the USA exits early or
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Speaker 2: underperforms or misses a World Cup, we do the thing
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Speaker 2: where it's just like, well, clearly this coach is wrong.
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Speaker 2: We got to figure something out. In development, you have
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Speaker 2: to go to the source, to the root of the problem.
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Speaker 2: And finally people are doing that. Now there's a bunch
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Speaker 2: of folks pushing back on the argument that America's best
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Speaker 2: athletes for go soccer and do other things. They don't
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Speaker 2: like that narrative because it's old and it's deeply ingrained
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Speaker 2: and we've heard it ten thousand times. And people want
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Speaker 2: Steven A. Smith to have a different take. They want
15:08
Speaker 2: Nick Wright to have a different take. You might be
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Speaker 2: tuning in expecting Sean O'Connell to have a different explanation
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Speaker 2: for this, but there isn't one. And people are using
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Speaker 2: Antonio Freeman's son as the example. Like, what are you
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Speaker 2: talking about? That's like that's football Royalt. Okay, sure, I
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Speaker 2: mean he could have played football. He could have played
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Speaker 2: decided to play soccer. There are going to be outliers
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Speaker 2: in every scenario. The thing is, right, don't look at
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Speaker 2: that one outlier. Go look at all of Freeman's peers.
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Speaker 2: Every other son of an NFL player, what is he doing?
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Speaker 2: They're playing football. Every other son of a basketball player,
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Speaker 2: what is he doing? Every other son of a And
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Speaker 2: by the way, that's how it is in Europe with soccer, right,
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Speaker 2: David Beckham's kid kids are not going to be big
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Speaker 2: time rugby stars. Okay, they're not spending a bunch of
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Speaker 2: time in cricket. There are two options if your dad
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Speaker 2: is an excellent footballer, right, you try to follow in
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Speaker 2: those footsteps, or you play golf because you're rich and
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Speaker 2: you have the country club set kind of a situation, right,
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Speaker 2: Like it is a problem in the United States of America.
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Speaker 1: That is I think irreversible.
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Speaker 2: I think we are past the point of no return
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Speaker 2: where our best athletes are selected to specifically basketball and football.
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Speaker 2: Baseball ain't it anymore either. There was a time in
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Speaker 2: the United States of America where America's best athletes chose
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Speaker 2: between those or played all of them and then whichever
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Speaker 2: one they had the best acumen for. They were like,
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Speaker 2: all right, well, you're you're going to be a baseball player, right,
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Speaker 2: Joe Maller your best sport. Joe Maher is one of
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Speaker 2: my favorite modern day baseball players. He's retired now, but
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Speaker 2: we're roughly the same age.
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Speaker 1: Some people know this.
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Speaker 2: He was the number one quarterback in his class, which
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Speaker 2: I think might have been either one year older one
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Speaker 2: year younger than me. I could look it up because
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Speaker 2: I have a computer right in front of me, but
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk right now.
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Speaker 1: And he was a multi sport athlete and was just like,
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Speaker 1: you know what.
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Speaker 2: He could have gone to the NFL, probably, but he said,
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Speaker 2: Baseball's my first love. The longevity in baseball is better.
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Speaker 2: I can be the number one quarterback or I can
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Speaker 2: be like a Hall of Fame catcher. And he decided
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Speaker 2: to do that, and it makes perfect sense. Lebron James
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Speaker 2: was a multi sport athlete. Lebron James realized after his
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Speaker 2: freshman year of high school that football was not going
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Speaker 2: to be the thing that made him a global phenomenon.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, he would have been great as
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Speaker 1: a football player.
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Speaker 2: Instead, he was like, I'm gonna go be the best
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Speaker 2: basketball player of my generation, maybe ever in the history
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Speaker 2: of the world.
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Speaker 1: And so he did that.
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Speaker 2: Right, Soccer, you can't do it. And I love the
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Speaker 2: examination that's happening of that system, of the youth system,
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Speaker 2: of going all the way down to the root of
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Speaker 2: this problem. I can't believe I've given my guy, Clay
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Speaker 2: Christianensen two shoutouts in like a one week time one
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Speaker 2: week span of time. The Jordan High soccer legend, Clay Christiansen,
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Speaker 2: Jersey retired state champion Let's go five am VP like
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Speaker 2: Clay was probably the second best athlete of my peer group,
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Speaker 2: of my East Sandy school like Willow Canyon Elementary, Eastmont
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Speaker 2: Middle School, Jordan High School.
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Speaker 1: Some people went to Brighton, some people went to Alta whatever,
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Speaker 1: some people went to Wan Diego. Right, nobody's perfect, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: nobody's perfect. Clay was of our class. He was either
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Speaker 1: the best of the second best athlete in the class.
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Speaker 1: So hold on, you're you're not allowing him to be
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Speaker 1: higher than you?
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Speaker 3: Is that?
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Speaker 1: What's second?
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Speaker 2: He's a way better athlete to me. Okay, he's a
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Speaker 2: way better, more impressive athlete than me. I'm like fair
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Speaker 2: basketball player or something you're thinking of might.
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Speaker 1: Be well, No, we had there.
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Speaker 2: We had a guy Trevor Moss, who was a state
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Speaker 2: champion wrestler. He was an all everything football player, and
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Speaker 2: he was also like on a whim, decided to be
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Speaker 2: part of a four by one relay team that was
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Speaker 2: a championship level.
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Speaker 1: So that's fair, he's probably he's the best athlete. But
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Speaker 1: Clay is right, Clay was right there with him, right,
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Speaker 1: and Trevor then then then gap than you?
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Speaker 2: Is that?
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Speaker 1: Where were then then seventy five other people? And then me?
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Speaker 2: Uh no, But like like Trevor, Trevor Moss shout out
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Speaker 2: to him, right, Trevor was the best athlete, and he
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Speaker 2: was the traditional like all American, I'm gonna play baseball
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Speaker 2: in the summer, I'm gonna play football in the fall.
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Speaker 2: All he wrestled instead of playing basketball because that was
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Speaker 2: kind of like a family thing, right. He wrestled even
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Speaker 2: from youth times on in the winter time, and those
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Speaker 2: were his three sports. And then, like I said, and
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Speaker 2: you know, baseball kind of fell off. He took up
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Speaker 2: track because he was incredibly fast well clay. This whole
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Speaker 2: time was in soccer, and he had to stay in
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Speaker 2: soccer because soccer is a year round sport. Soccer, the
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Speaker 2: club teams did the ODP, Olympic development kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: It's all here and it's a lifestyle. It's you have
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Speaker 2: to dedicate yourself to it, and you actually avoid some
20:56
Speaker 2: of the like recruitment to other sports because because of that,
21:01
Speaker 2: in my opinion, in my experience, in my anecdotal story here,
21:05
Speaker 2: I watched this happen with the second best or the
21:08
Speaker 2: best athlete of my childhood.
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Speaker 1: I who probably could have been awesome at multiple sports.
21:14
Speaker 2: Would have been would have been an unbelievable defensive back,
21:18
Speaker 2: probably would have been a great running back if he had.
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Speaker 1: Wanted to do that.
21:21
Speaker 2: Was stone cold killer on the basketball court, just playing
21:26
Speaker 2: like church ball, but never got to really develop it,
21:30
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, because soccer was the thing,
21:32
Speaker 2: and it worked out great for him because he ended
21:36
Speaker 2: up playing college soccer. He ended up coaching some soccer
21:38
Speaker 2: he ended up I mean, he was the best soccer
21:40
Speaker 2: player in the state as a high schooler. So maybe
21:43
Speaker 2: it's like enough, right, but the examination of the system
21:49
Speaker 2: in which a person like that has to exist, and
21:53
Speaker 2: how do you get those people then to the next level,
21:58
Speaker 2: then to the next step, or more importantly, probably how
22:03
Speaker 2: do you get it so that instead of having one
22:05
Speaker 2: of those guys on your team, you also have the
22:09
Speaker 2: Trevor Moss on your team and everyone from their high
22:12
Speaker 2: school knows who these people are.
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Speaker 1: Uh, if he would have played football, he would have
22:16
Speaker 1: been great. Oh.
22:16
Speaker 2: If he would have played basketball, he would have been great.
22:18
Speaker 2: Oh if we'd have had the starting quarterback also on
22:20
Speaker 2: the soccer team, he would have been amazing. There's an
22:24
Speaker 2: exclusivity that exists between some of these sports, like how
22:29
Speaker 2: many guys do you know seriously, eight seven seven three
22:32
Speaker 2: five three.
22:32
Speaker 1: Zero seven hundred, how many guys do you know that were.
22:38
Speaker 2: Soccer players and some other sport when they were in
22:42
Speaker 2: high school? I think we had one guy on the
22:45
Speaker 2: soccer team who also played on the football team. I
22:48
Speaker 2: think it was one was the answer, shout ut Brandon Rodgers,
22:53
Speaker 2: who was he was in goal, big old ginger, giant
22:56
Speaker 2: dude had to play football because he's a monster, you
23:00
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
23:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
23:03
Speaker 3: Like I had friends through like freshman year still played basketball,
23:09
Speaker 3: but after that they committed to they committed full time
23:13
Speaker 3: to soccer. So I you might be might be on
23:16
Speaker 3: something there. I was as you were talking about that.
23:18
Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel like it was a little different
23:20
Speaker 3: in my in in Saint George area when I grew up.
23:24
Speaker 3: But I'm thinking of at some point in high school
23:28
Speaker 3: they played multiple sports, but they've ended up most of
23:31
Speaker 3: the time playing just soccer.
23:33
Speaker 2: And look, you might be out there listening, going like,
23:35
Speaker 2: why do you want multi sports soccer athletes? What we
23:39
Speaker 2: need is guys, the best athletes to be dedicated to
23:42
Speaker 2: soccer from the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: That's what it is in Europe, and that's what it is.
23:46
Speaker 2: And somebody's not realistic, but like if and if, for
23:50
Speaker 2: some families, the choice comes down to, all right, I
23:54
Speaker 2: am going to have my kid play junior jazz basketball
23:58
Speaker 2: or conference foot ball, or pony league baseball or travel soccer.
24:06
Speaker 1: And there's a couple hundred dollars investment in some of
24:09
Speaker 1: these other things.
24:10
Speaker 2: It costs five grand to play travel soccer apparently, Like
24:15
Speaker 2: how many families are capable.
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Speaker 1: Of doing that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen Kevin Frasier Entertainment Tonight, former former Sports
24:22
Speaker 3: Center anchor.
24:23
Speaker 1: When he's he's been a regular guest on Dan Patrick.
24:26
Speaker 1: He he hopped on. They're at the the the Tahoe
24:31
Speaker 1: Pro Am, the big celebrity pro am. He so he's
24:35
Speaker 1: there for that. He's not a scheduled guest on the show.
24:38
Speaker 1: He just walks by.
24:38
Speaker 3: He's like, I gotta I gotta talk about what Alexi
24:41
Speaker 3: Lallace said, because apparently his son is a high level
24:43
Speaker 3: soccer player, so he's in the he's in that world.
24:46
Speaker 1: And Kevin just.
24:47
Speaker 3: Railed on it, saying, they the reason why we have
24:52
Speaker 3: a we have we keep hitting a ceiling here is
24:55
Speaker 3: because we don't have as much inclusivity in soccer. And
24:59
Speaker 3: I think that his point was not about we got
25:02
Speaker 3: to get the Lebron Jameses of the world playing soccer.
25:05
Speaker 3: His point was like, how about in southern California we
25:08
Speaker 3: get some of the Latinos who that is their sport.
25:11
Speaker 3: Why don't we have any of those guys who are
25:15
Speaker 3: Americans playing soccer.
25:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, and I would love to
25:20
Speaker 2: know the answer to the question. And again I don't
25:24
Speaker 2: I'm not really in this world. My wife grew up
25:28
Speaker 2: in this world. She was a really high level soccer player.
25:31
Speaker 2: She played college soccer. And we've had arguments about whether
25:34
Speaker 2: or not you have to put your kids in like
25:37
Speaker 2: all star level travel level sports in order to have
25:41
Speaker 2: them get scholarships.
25:43
Speaker 1: That that's a good question.
25:46
Speaker 2: I don't know some people do, but I think it's
25:50
Speaker 2: if there's any silver lining to be found with the
25:52
Speaker 2: USA exiting this World Cup, that's it. That now there's
25:56
Speaker 2: a deep dive, real examination into the system that builds
26:01
Speaker 2: these prospects, that builds US to these eventual World Cup
26:05
Speaker 2: national teams, and we're not doing it as well as
26:10
Speaker 2: any other developed nation, and even not as well as
26:13
Speaker 2: a lot of like moderately developed nations.
26:16
Speaker 3: I honestly think, like in general, less exclusivity seems to
26:20
Speaker 3: be a good answer for things, and that might help
26:24
Speaker 3: I it's logical to think that's that would help US soccer.
26:28
Speaker 1: But we'll see.
26:29
Speaker 2: I agree, all right, Gordy Chiays is going to join
26:31
Speaker 2: us next We obviously miss Gordy on Tuesday because we're
26:34
Speaker 2: doing big twelve Media Days.
26:36
Speaker 1: Got a lot to talk about in the NBA world.
26:38
Speaker 1: Will be here in studio with us.
26:40
Speaker 2: We're rolling on the Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred
26:42
Speaker 2: and ninety twoeff.
26:46
Speaker 4: Peace out.
26:47
Speaker 5: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
26:49
Speaker 5: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
26:53
Speaker 5: NBA than any of us will ever know.
26:55
Speaker 4: Let's not get crazy.
26:56
Speaker 1: Come for the hoop's talk.
26:57
Speaker 5: Stay for his list of the day list today, here's
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Speaker 5: oh see with basketball sob on Gordy chias on the
27:04
Speaker 5: Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 2: Gordy Chia's that joins us here in studio on the
27:14
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Speaker 1: Gordy, good to see you again. How are you, sir?
27:21
Speaker 6: And welcome back to from Dallas, Texas and also from London.
27:25
Speaker 6: You're like a globe trotter.
27:27
Speaker 2: I'm all over the place. Wimbledon last week, Big twelve
27:30
Speaker 2: Media Days. This week, we we took down some brisket
27:35
Speaker 2: down there in the greater Dallas Fort Worth area.
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Speaker 1: There was it was the kind of punctuation point on
27:43
Speaker 1: the whole trip.
27:44
Speaker 2: Went to Hutchin's Barbecue and made sure to gorge myself
27:48
Speaker 2: on good old fashioned Texas barbecue.
27:50
Speaker 6: See, you're saying that Texas barbecue is better than Kansas City.
27:54
Speaker 1: That's tough.
27:55
Speaker 4: We Memphis.
27:55
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say yes, more than Memphis. Better than Memphis.
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Speaker 2: Is it better than Kansas City barbecue? Well, I'm gonna
28:04
Speaker 2: have to do a little bit more research. I'll tell
28:06
Speaker 2: you this, Gordy. I've had a lot more Texas barbecue
28:09
Speaker 2: than I've had authentic Kansas City barbecue.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so I would lean in that direction, all right.
28:14
Speaker 4: So Shellby continued, Well, welcome back, good to see you, good.
28:17
Speaker 1: To see you.
28:18
Speaker 2: And look, we've missed a lot. I have missed a
28:21
Speaker 2: lot in the weak ish of being away. There's no
28:28
Speaker 2: off season. There's no slow time right now in sports
28:31
Speaker 2: and in the NBA. Certainly that that holds true. Let's
28:35
Speaker 2: start with the thing that is most locally relevant. Utah
28:38
Speaker 2: Jazz number two draft pick Darren Peterson in a Jazz
28:41
Speaker 2: uniform for the first time, playing summer league basketball up
28:45
Speaker 2: at the Huntsman Center. Got big time matchups coming up.
28:49
Speaker 2: But you and I have yet to talk about his
28:52
Speaker 2: debut in a Jazz uniform, so let's dive into that.
28:55
Speaker 2: What are you see in from not only Darren Peterson,
28:57
Speaker 2: but from the Jazz in summer league.
28:59
Speaker 6: Well, first, there were three to zero. Not that it
29:01
Speaker 6: matters winning, but the hat's how they won. They played
29:04
Speaker 6: good defense, they shared the ball, and they have a
29:07
Speaker 6: good talent level as far as injury in their age group.
29:10
Speaker 6: All right, Darren Peterson dynamic. He lives in the paint.
29:15
Speaker 6: He should get it right now, get a mortgage shown
29:17
Speaker 6: by being in a paint all the time. All right,
29:19
Speaker 6: with a very low interest rate. Verry Silmoth Hugh showing
29:22
Speaker 6: I M my dad. Okay, his quick metrics. He averaged
29:25
Speaker 6: twenty six point five points per game, seven assists, three
29:29
Speaker 6: point five rebounds, and five turnovers. But his turnovers were
29:32
Speaker 6: the first game. In a second game he had twelve
29:34
Speaker 6: dimes and only two turnovers. He played two games, held
29:38
Speaker 6: him out the last game, which is very normal with
29:40
Speaker 6: most teams.
29:41
Speaker 4: They do right now, what he.
29:42
Speaker 6: Does is that he has that unbelievability to get his
29:46
Speaker 6: shoulder by the initial defender, get in the lane and
29:49
Speaker 6: make up play and that play could be a rim attack.
29:51
Speaker 6: It could be kicked out to the corner for a
29:54
Speaker 6: rainbow three, it could be pivot away into a two
29:57
Speaker 6: footed gel and Brunson type move in the language is
30:00
Speaker 6: really impressive. Or the last point about it, that's feathery
30:04
Speaker 6: mid range jump shot. And so he was absolutely spectacular
30:08
Speaker 6: number two pick at a draft. He really shows what
30:11
Speaker 6: he could do and with the progression, he's gonna be
30:14
Speaker 6: a tremendous player for the Jazz.
30:16
Speaker 2: When you're watching a young guy like that, and he
30:19
Speaker 2: makes it look easy, and he makes it look like
30:22
Speaker 2: it's not as challenging for him to identify where that
30:26
Speaker 2: pass should go, it's not as challenging for him to
30:28
Speaker 2: create the physical spacing, et cetera, et cetera. How much
30:32
Speaker 2: of that stuff you look at and you say, Okay,
30:34
Speaker 2: he's been coached well to do that, And how much
30:36
Speaker 2: of it do you look at and say that's just
30:39
Speaker 2: god given.
30:39
Speaker 6: That's God given. No, the answer is three fourth's god given.
30:42
Speaker 6: One fourth coaching, slash teammates, slash environment. He's got talent.
30:48
Speaker 6: Remember in the NBA, this is a talent league. However,
30:52
Speaker 6: a lot of times people have knockout talent and they
30:54
Speaker 6: got themselves by over dribbling, showing that awful thing called
30:58
Speaker 6: over dribbling. So far at Darren p dribbles very wisely,
31:02
Speaker 6: and what he does he's making he makes his teammates better.
31:04
Speaker 6: I'm excited for him for Jazz basketball. So he's ultra talented.
31:08
Speaker 6: All right, Tonight, Sean, the main event And I'm not
31:11
Speaker 6: talking about you bout you fighting right now, Sean, I'm
31:14
Speaker 6: talking about the main event tonight with Aj de Bonca,
31:18
Speaker 6: who we all love, the former BYU tremendous talent. Via
31:23
Speaker 6: Brockton Massachusetts is playing against Darren Peterson. So the Witches
31:26
Speaker 6: played tonight against the Jazz. Sean, who would have thought
31:29
Speaker 6: if someone said to me thirty five years ago when
31:32
Speaker 6: I was coaching in the NBA back in nineteen eighty nine,
31:37
Speaker 6: is that ESPN would do the game live, a sub
31:42
Speaker 6: league game. I would say, what are you crazy? And
31:44
Speaker 6: that's the power of what of one? NBA basketball and
31:47
Speaker 6: live programming and then these two elite young talents, meaning
31:52
Speaker 6: AJ and Darren Peterson, which is first Jesse tonight at
31:56
Speaker 6: nine o'clock back East, seven o'clock here local on ESPN
32:01
Speaker 6: National Television, Seawan for some league game.
32:04
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right crazy. I mean, it tells you.
32:07
Speaker 2: It's a testament to the status of the NBA now
32:10
Speaker 2: on the American sports landscape. Obviously the NFL is the
32:14
Speaker 2: king and dominates, but the NBA being I mean, there's
32:19
Speaker 2: the alternative programming that used to find a niche gets
32:23
Speaker 2: pushed out by Summer League basketball, right correct, ten years ago.
32:27
Speaker 2: That's when you're watching the Lumberjack games. That's when there's
32:31
Speaker 2: a dog show on ESPN, That's when poker is on ESPN.
32:34
Speaker 2: Now they're like, you know what, let's go to a
32:36
Speaker 2: university campus and let's put this on our big channel
32:40
Speaker 2: because these are the future stars of the league.
32:43
Speaker 6: Very much so, his great vibes around this so league.
32:45
Speaker 6: Now there's Sommer League in Vegas. I call it a
32:48
Speaker 6: quase NBA Convention. Everybody there is in the NBA in
32:52
Speaker 6: Las Vegas for the next twelve days, whether you are
32:56
Speaker 6: a player that's on a present team, you are a
33:00
Speaker 6: god that played in Europe last year, you're trying to
33:03
Speaker 6: get re entered to the NBA of trying to outplay
33:06
Speaker 6: the guys that are hiring the draft this year, all
33:09
Speaker 6: the executives met all the coaches there and most of all,
33:13
Speaker 6: Seawan are the agents. The agents are front and center
33:17
Speaker 6: besides sitting at courtside. They are absolutely shown. I called
33:22
Speaker 6: the all Lobby team, where you're in the lobby all
33:24
Speaker 6: the time and the agents are talking and they're doing
33:27
Speaker 6: business sewn in the lobby. Sean, I know you've been
33:30
Speaker 6: a lot of times been at the Marriotte Lobby doing business.
33:33
Speaker 6: This is the extreme and at Thomas and Mack Center.
33:36
Speaker 6: So if you want to see some of the executives
33:39
Speaker 6: and also the agents, just hang out in the lobby.
33:46
Speaker 2: Keanta Georgia has been disallowed from his little coaching attempt.
33:52
Speaker 2: It feels like the NBA is being a bit heavy
33:54
Speaker 2: handed here, but I don't know all the fine print
33:57
Speaker 2: rules and stuff. Are you surprised that they reversed their
33:59
Speaker 2: decision to let him be a volunteer coach for one game?
34:04
Speaker 1: Yeah?
34:04
Speaker 4: Surprise. Yeah, it was really a good it's a good story.
34:07
Speaker 6: I'm surprised they acted as the judge of jury and
34:11
Speaker 6: the trial and so it's surprising. What the jess are
34:14
Speaker 6: trying to do is their young fourth year player I'll
34:18
Speaker 6: come again, quasi point guard. Is that he's going to
34:22
Speaker 6: get a be the staff meetings and just get an
34:25
Speaker 6: understanding about how the coaches think. It's a different world
34:29
Speaker 6: and your point guard in the NBA, your world turns
34:32
Speaker 6: every twenty four seconds as far as the shot clock,
34:35
Speaker 6: and so when you're involved with the coaches in a
34:38
Speaker 6: very learning environment, it helps you understand the position better.
34:42
Speaker 6: They again, most players play the game physically. Every coach
34:48
Speaker 6: thinks the game mentally. When you're an elite player, you
34:51
Speaker 6: do both. You play the game physically and you think
34:54
Speaker 6: mentally of what's going on, especially if you're a QB
34:59
Speaker 6: in the NFL, if you're a point guard on a
35:01
Speaker 6: deep playoff team showing every time in the playoffs. Remember
35:06
Speaker 6: that thing people always tell us all the time, Well,
35:08
Speaker 6: in the NBA, it's it's really not positional.
35:12
Speaker 4: Oh really until you get to the playoffs.
35:14
Speaker 6: Well, guess what the last five minutes of a playoff game,
35:18
Speaker 6: who is your point guard that get everybody's involved in
35:21
Speaker 6: the offense gets the ball to the player with a
35:24
Speaker 6: hot hand and a showing a hot hand and a
35:27
Speaker 6: dice game. Those are the best kind and whoever gets
35:30
Speaker 6: can make foul shots. And that's what you want to
35:33
Speaker 6: try to do. And that was the reason why the
35:35
Speaker 6: Jazz with account de George of giving him an understanding
35:39
Speaker 6: about the position.
35:41
Speaker 2: Back to Darren Peterson, You've got this young man who's
35:46
Speaker 2: kind of shining in the first opportunity to really show
35:49
Speaker 2: people what he's about in the summer league. And obviously
35:52
Speaker 2: there's plenty of basketball to play. There's plenty of growing
35:54
Speaker 2: pains that the team will experience with him, that he
35:57
Speaker 2: will experience as an individual in his.
35:58
Speaker 1: First NBA season.
36:00
Speaker 2: You got the Ace Bailey question, you know that with
36:03
Speaker 2: the how much we rest in him backspasm's health kind
36:05
Speaker 2: of a situation. This Utah Jazz team is kind of
36:11
Speaker 2: not verbally, not outwardly, but they've sort of developed an understanding.
36:15
Speaker 2: We've we've been at giving this tacit promise that like,
36:18
Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna compete now, We're gonna put all
36:20
Speaker 2: these guys out there. Now. The gap between Darren Peterson
36:25
Speaker 2: from the experience and the learning level versus the guys
36:28
Speaker 2: he's going to be on the floor with, how long
36:30
Speaker 2: does it take him to close that gap?
36:35
Speaker 4: Half a season? Okay, yeah, half a year.
36:38
Speaker 6: As far as the speed of the game with the
36:40
Speaker 6: in the NBA, is that the biggest factor right now
36:43
Speaker 6: is understanding about the impact of the shot clock, also
36:49
Speaker 6: the speed index, the defensive rules, and also what's allowable
36:55
Speaker 6: with defensive physicality. So a lot of times you know,
36:57
Speaker 6: players are overzels shown, they're in his stance, they move
37:00
Speaker 6: their feet, commendable, et cetera. And then suddenly they bow
37:03
Speaker 6: the guy in the face. Guess what, that's a foul.
37:06
Speaker 6: So you have to be able to play with technique
37:08
Speaker 6: and tenacity, and so with Darren's with Darren Peterson, has
37:12
Speaker 6: he has talent? The question can he play with technique?
37:15
Speaker 6: And they have tenacity defensively of doing it with consistently
37:18
Speaker 6: and so take about a half a year of normal progress,
37:22
Speaker 6: and that's most people. Darren Peterson is a major talent
37:26
Speaker 6: and the jazz or the benefit of it, even though
37:29
Speaker 6: it's painful, this guy's well worth the way. Now the
37:33
Speaker 6: question is, as always, is the other his teammates now
37:36
Speaker 6: his floormates, all right, his buddy mates? How did he
37:40
Speaker 6: perceive him? And can he make the Can he make
37:42
Speaker 6: his team better? And can his Can Jaron Jackson make
37:45
Speaker 6: him better? Can can any George make him better? Can
37:48
Speaker 6: Larry Markinen make him better? Can use of nrkage? By
37:50
Speaker 6: the way, please give me a screen, Give me a
37:53
Speaker 6: screen in the game. Use of Norkage, who they just
37:55
Speaker 6: signed with a very good i'll call team friendly eleven
37:59
Speaker 6: million dollars contract. Sean where the last week or so
38:03
Speaker 6: I've been wherever I went? Sean Peele asked me about
38:06
Speaker 6: Walker Kessler about do you think it's the right thing
38:09
Speaker 6: to do? The answer is absolutely, unincorivoctly yes. The Jazz
38:13
Speaker 6: like Walker Kessler. He was homegrown, meaning they drafted him.
38:16
Speaker 6: They offered him a tremendous contract, twenty eight million dollars
38:19
Speaker 6: a year, a whole bunch of money.
38:21
Speaker 4: That was the largest.
38:22
Speaker 6: Contract that a non MBA All Star center ever received.
38:28
Speaker 4: Yes, twenty eight million.
38:32
Speaker 6: His agent didn't thought it was insulting, and he walked
38:35
Speaker 6: away got more money one last year with the Lakers.
38:39
Speaker 6: So the Jazz didn't blink. Now they pivoted use of
38:42
Speaker 6: Nurkice have treaded with a rebound by committee right now.
38:46
Speaker 6: But more importantly is that you don't want to overpay
38:48
Speaker 6: dramatically on somebody that's unproven. The Lakers are the opposite,
38:53
Speaker 6: saying that it doesn't matter. We think he can help
38:55
Speaker 6: us astor as defensively. We're awful on defense.
38:59
Speaker 4: We need a shop. He's the guy. I get it.
39:03
Speaker 2: If you're Keyante George and you're his agents, and you
39:05
Speaker 2: see the Jazz move on from that albatross number that
39:09
Speaker 2: Walker Kessler was going to represent. You got to feel
39:11
Speaker 2: really good that now that money's coming to you, right.
39:14
Speaker 6: Correct, Absolutely, the Conte George fourth year, he's done a
39:19
Speaker 6: good job. His first year or two I called he
39:21
Speaker 6: was shooting angry. I'll show you how you're disrespecting me.
39:25
Speaker 6: And then to his to his credit and the maturity
39:28
Speaker 6: of most players, that index one of the immature. Is
39:31
Speaker 6: it twenty two years old? Is it twenty seven years old?
39:34
Speaker 6: Is it thirty seven years old? Hey Sean, I know
39:36
Speaker 6: some guys at age seventy eighty, they're eighty seven years old,
39:39
Speaker 6: and it's still immature. So it happens. So but with
39:43
Speaker 6: Keante George is that he has a high level of maturity.
39:48
Speaker 6: And now his representation which is which which used to
39:52
Speaker 6: be Washington Media Group, the guy got in trouble with
39:55
Speaker 6: the Epstein files showing if you know what I mean.
39:57
Speaker 4: Now it's called it's called Team T E A M.
40:02
Speaker 4: That's the that's the new.
40:05
Speaker 6: Not new agency, but the new now title of the
40:08
Speaker 6: Washington media group that moved away from Casey Wasserman and
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Speaker 6: now it's got the Joy that's his agent, and it
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Speaker 6: should be interesting what they do with him.
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Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna stay on clock here. Gordy's with
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Speaker 2: us for the hours, so we'll have him until about
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Speaker 2: twelve thirty. Lots of different things happening around the NBA.
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Speaker 2: It's not just the Utah Jazz keeping a close eye
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Speaker 2: on the roster and reorganizing things. Lebron James has yet
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Speaker 2: to make a decision. We'll talk about that, other trades
40:36
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 2: Gordon Chiasa hanging out with us for another forty ish minutes,
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Speaker 2: talking all things NBA, Who, Summer League Basketball, Big Time Matchup,
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Speaker 2: AJ debonsa Darren Peterson going head to head.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into that here in just a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But former jazz Man.
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Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, multiple time All Star, multiple time All NBA,
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Speaker 2: and Cleveland said, all right, you've done enough, let's back
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Speaker 2: up the brinks truck. Donovan Mitchell with a mega extension,
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Speaker 2: big time money. What do you think of the contract
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Speaker 2: and Donovan's decision to make Cleveland the long term or
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Speaker 2: at least the medium term home.
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Speaker 6: Well with Donmin Mitchell, it's an unbelievable contract. Remember he
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Speaker 6: got the Supermax twice now, so he signed two Supermax
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Speaker 6: contracts with the same team, the Cavaliers. So he's invested
41:59
Speaker 6: in and you know a lot of times people say
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Speaker 6: he wants out, wants out, that's illusionary because he's proven
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Speaker 6: it ready that he likes being there and playing in
42:07
Speaker 6: that system. And the general manager, Kobe Altman, has done
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Speaker 6: a good job as far as the roster of making
42:13
Speaker 6: the competitive and Sean we know right now that it's
42:16
Speaker 6: not over yet as far as Cleveland's roster. That if
42:19
Speaker 6: they move Max Shrutz this week or next week, that
42:23
Speaker 6: gives some money now to get possibly Lebron James. So
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Speaker 6: if you see, if you see Max Shrew's being traded,
42:31
Speaker 6: then Lebron is probably leaning towards that.
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Speaker 4: I Donovan, you love the guy.
42:37
Speaker 6: Overachiever as far as at six foot three, he's an
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Speaker 6: All NBA player, He plays hard, he's feelings right now.
42:44
Speaker 6: And do you realize that that Darren Peterson has more
42:48
Speaker 6: natural talent than Donovan Mitchell? Do you realize that because
42:51
Speaker 6: he does that? Donovan again, in a weird way, I'm
42:54
Speaker 6: saying that he overachieved so far in his career because
42:57
Speaker 6: see at six foot three, he he's a size challenge
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Speaker 6: at his position, but he overcomes it with a great
43:04
Speaker 6: ball skills, tenacity, and he's an intelligent person. At the contract,
43:08
Speaker 6: it's what it is is that he's a superstar player
43:12
Speaker 6: of a franchise that has to have him on their
43:15
Speaker 6: team to be to remain competitive for the next will
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Speaker 6: say five years to say the least, and that it
43:22
Speaker 6: makes sense for Donovan to sign it. And it makes
43:24
Speaker 6: sense very quickly. It's a four years at Children's seventy
43:28
Speaker 6: three million dollar extension.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 6: Remember this is a new era with the TV contracts,
43:35
Speaker 6: led with the partners with TV with Amazon coming in
43:39
Speaker 6: full fledged now is that the contracts are accelerating. Look
43:43
Speaker 6: at Dontue and Victor one beyond. But someday will be
43:45
Speaker 6: the first players ever to make one hundred million dollars
43:48
Speaker 6: in a year, Sean. I didn't say a lifetime, which
43:51
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of money. I'm saying in a year.
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Speaker 6: That's how crazy it is. Will ever stop, Sewan? I
43:56
Speaker 6: don't know, don't know.
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Speaker 2: Maybe if we stop watching TV, but not until then.
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Speaker 2: Donovan could have waited a year and signed another year
44:07
Speaker 2: and that fifth year would have been worth eighty million
44:10
Speaker 2: dollars in that fifth year. Instead, he gets the four
44:13
Speaker 2: year extension. The biggest number on that one is a
44:17
Speaker 2: seventy five million dollar player option for the twenty thirty
44:20
Speaker 2: and twenty thirty one season. I mean, I'm sure that
44:24
Speaker 2: there's team salary cap mechanisms to this. There's a conversation
44:28
Speaker 2: with your family, your agent, and all that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 1: The bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, obviously.
44:34
Speaker 1: There's a.
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Speaker 2: There's a thing in sport that we have become accustomed
44:40
Speaker 2: to and that we've had to a reality. We've had
44:42
Speaker 2: to accept that you are not guaranteed anything really, so
44:47
Speaker 2: signing it this level of money. This extension now makes sense.
44:51
Speaker 2: But he is leaving eighty million on the table by
44:53
Speaker 2: not waiting a year. Was that the right decision?
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Speaker 4: Yes?
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Speaker 6: Because you's also as far as his age group. So
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Speaker 6: Donovan turns thirty years young, emphasize young on September seventh,
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Speaker 6: So the four year contract now goes from the thirty
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Speaker 6: four years old and just say, in his world, besides
45:13
Speaker 6: the money guaranteed a case of an injury, got forbid
45:16
Speaker 6: at age thirty four. It's almost like Steph Curry type,
45:20
Speaker 6: I can still at a high level. I can get
45:23
Speaker 6: another contract one more time for another four years at
45:27
Speaker 6: sean at that time, what do you think, I don't
45:29
Speaker 6: exaggerate sewing on average. I'm exaggerating seventy five million on
45:37
Speaker 6: average four years from now.
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Speaker 1: Well the way, yeah, the way the current inflation is going, certainly.
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Speaker 6: So that's part of the reason why they did that.
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Speaker 6: For one, to protect themselves from an injury, and two
45:48
Speaker 6: at age thirty four. I know it sounds crazy. Oh
45:50
Speaker 6: what thirty four to thirty five? What's the difference. The
45:52
Speaker 6: difference is that one year is a huge thing as
45:55
Speaker 6: far as how you're perceived. I'm thirty four equals thirty
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Speaker 6: eight four years later at thirty five on thirty nine.
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Speaker 6: Difference as far as as far as far as playing
46:06
Speaker 6: at an elite level.
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Speaker 2: You and I have talked about this with a lot
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Speaker 2: of other players, right that some guys, as you age,
46:12
Speaker 2: you have to alter your game, right you can't be
46:15
Speaker 2: such a vertical, explosive type player anymore. You've talked about
46:19
Speaker 2: why you know, guys like Jokic, he's not an above
46:22
Speaker 2: the rim player. He plays on the floor. Donovan Mitchell
46:27
Speaker 2: is explosive. How much is he going to have to
46:30
Speaker 2: I don't know round out the other parts of his
46:32
Speaker 2: game when he.
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Speaker 6: Reaches the end of this contract he does answer absolutely, Yes,
46:38
Speaker 6: you can go airborne, but be selectively. You're thirty, he's
46:40
Speaker 6: thirty right now. I mentioned September, So around thirty two
46:44
Speaker 6: years old, give it take a year or so you
46:46
Speaker 6: really realize that I can still I still have serious
46:49
Speaker 6: hops and I can play airborne. But however, when I
46:53
Speaker 6: come crushed to the ground. It really is the difference
46:56
Speaker 6: right now, and so what you want to do is
46:58
Speaker 6: be selective as far you always want to attack the lane,
47:03
Speaker 6: but selectively attack the rim. And that's the difference as
47:06
Speaker 6: far as the maturity of it, most players that have
47:09
Speaker 6: done that over the years have a longer career. They
47:12
Speaker 6: are in particular Michael Jordan with that fadeaway jump shot,
47:15
Speaker 6: and Kobe Bryant did exact same thing also with that
47:19
Speaker 6: that Steph Curry his game is different because he has
47:21
Speaker 6: to go airborne. He goes more white over the top
47:23
Speaker 6: of you on the defense right now, So Donov will
47:26
Speaker 6: be next guy and on the young fellas that go
47:28
Speaker 6: airborne all the time. Okay, So Anthony Edwards, someday Sean
47:32
Speaker 6: will make that adjustment mentally, physically and almost spiritually where
47:37
Speaker 6: I can still play a high level but airborne, I'm
47:41
Speaker 6: winning going to go blue sky some of the time.
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Speaker 2: Sure you already tease this, but Cleveland is hoping that
47:49
Speaker 2: the Donovan Mitchell Domino is just the first to fall
47:52
Speaker 2: in a massive week or a massive couple of weeks
47:55
Speaker 2: for them. They're going to extend James Harden. It sounds
47:57
Speaker 2: like yes, yea, and they're gonna get Their hope is
48:02
Speaker 2: that they get Lebron James to choose a return to Cleveland.
48:06
Speaker 2: This would be his third stint, of course, with the Cavaliers,
48:09
Speaker 2: and we assume his final ride in the NBA. How
48:13
Speaker 2: likely do you think it is that Lebron James ends
48:15
Speaker 2: up wearing a Calves uniform alongside Donovan Mitchell and James Harden.
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Speaker 6: Very likely. The answer is, yeah, he played for the Calves.
48:23
Speaker 6: Now twice, you mentioned for total eleven years, Lakers played
48:27
Speaker 6: for eight years and for the Heat four years. Lebron
48:30
Speaker 6: turns forty two on December thirtieth, so again the contract's
48:36
Speaker 6: gonna be. It sounds crazy, just a bare minimum like
48:43
Speaker 6: it's the minimum because they really can't fit him into
48:47
Speaker 6: the Sally Cap as far as that and also the
48:50
Speaker 6: second aprin. So the Cavaliers just say they would start.
48:54
Speaker 6: They would start James Harden at I'll Cooma point guard Harden,
48:57
Speaker 6: Donovan Mitchell at two, Lebron at three, Evan Mobley Young
49:01
Speaker 6: Fella Talent All Star at four, and then Jared Jared
49:05
Speaker 6: Jared Allen at five. So that's their team. And locally
49:09
Speaker 6: here Sam Merrill Utah State would be off the bench
49:12
Speaker 6: for them, making jump shots right now for them, and
49:15
Speaker 6: so that's their starting lineup. Plus other guys the day
49:18
Speaker 6: drafted are ready they will help them. So the point
49:20
Speaker 6: is that that's an elite team with Lebron there playing
49:24
Speaker 6: it all right. So the question is, how can Lebron
49:26
Speaker 6: and James Harden play in harmony. The answer is yes,
49:29
Speaker 6: they can, both of them can. Is that James Harden
49:32
Speaker 6: knows that he's almost like a hired gun. Lebron is
49:37
Speaker 6: not is a hired gun, but he's the best player
49:40
Speaker 6: in the world as we speak right now, with only
49:42
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan being ahead of him. And so even at
49:45
Speaker 6: the top of the apex the players might have admitted,
49:48
Speaker 6: but they know who it is. It's Donovan one, Lebron two,
49:52
Speaker 6: and then James Harden three. So that's the pecking order
49:56
Speaker 6: and they all know it. Will they talk about it
49:58
Speaker 6: and have a sean a Kumbaya moment. Okay, you want
50:02
Speaker 6: to hug, You want to hug right now about this
50:04
Speaker 6: wonderful but that's the reality of it.
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Speaker 2: Well, it does create an interesting dynamic when Donovan Mitchell
50:11
Speaker 2: just signed this contract and it's the team and the
50:14
Speaker 2: organization saying you're our guy, You're our number one guy.
50:18
Speaker 2: The paycheck tells you that in the NBA. Obviously, he
50:22
Speaker 2: is not as old as Lebron James. He's a guy
50:24
Speaker 2: who grew up as a fan of Lebron. James. He
50:27
Speaker 2: has rubbed shoulders with Lebron, but it's different than being
50:31
Speaker 2: a teammate and working with them every day and being
50:34
Speaker 2: influenced by him every day. And I guess to some
50:37
Speaker 2: extent having your own influence on Lebron, even though he
50:40
Speaker 2: feels pretty set in his ways. So pairing Donovan Mitchell,
50:44
Speaker 2: the former jazz man who still I mean, he's obviously
50:47
Speaker 2: an established star already in the NBA. Is Lebron where
50:51
Speaker 2: he's at right now in his career? Is he going
50:54
Speaker 2: to make Donovan Mitchell better?
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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, very much by giving him a mental health
51:02
Speaker 6: break during games. Donovan gets in trouble sometimes in playoff
51:06
Speaker 6: games where there's so much pressure on the star player
51:10
Speaker 6: to score. James Harden, unfortunately in his world, has struggled
51:14
Speaker 6: historically in playoff games. All right, Donovan's been great, However,
51:19
Speaker 6: often in the fourth quarter he's so worn out, not physically,
51:23
Speaker 6: but it's mentally. Lebron's gonna be wide, gonna help Donovan
51:28
Speaker 6: with less taxing on his body and also on his mind.
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Speaker 6: Lebron can still deliver. Last year Lebron average. Last year,
51:37
Speaker 6: Lebron averaged twenty five point nine points per game, fifty
51:40
Speaker 6: one point three from the field, thirty five point six
51:43
Speaker 6: from three, seven point three rebounds at seven point three
51:46
Speaker 6: assists at age forty one. Yikes, Sean, that's in the
51:50
Speaker 6: hard to do and he did it right now, and
51:52
Speaker 6: so he's still at top of his game. Lebron is
51:56
Speaker 6: entering his twenty fourth season, meaning the twenty six twenty
52:00
Speaker 6: seventh season. I'm assuming showing he's trying to play twenty
52:05
Speaker 6: five years to be a quarter of a century playing
52:07
Speaker 6: an elite level, which which might never happen again in
52:11
Speaker 6: history of basketball.
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Speaker 1: All Right, I want to take another break.
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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about some of the current free
52:17
Speaker 2: agents that are on Gordy's radar. We're gonna talk a
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Speaker 2: little bit about, uh the Summer League Premier matchup that
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Speaker 2: All right, there's been big news all around the NBA,
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Speaker 2: even though we're right in the middle of the offseason
53:29
Speaker 2: Summer League basketball. We'll get to the Darren Peterson AJ
53:32
Speaker 2: Debauncea matchup before we cut Gordy loose. But uh, there's
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Speaker 2: still some healthy free agents out there on the market,
53:40
Speaker 2: Gordy that have not found a home as of yet.
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Speaker 1: What is this process like for those guys?
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Speaker 4: Agony, how dare you not sign me?
53:49
Speaker 6: The first day of free agency, it's an awful feeling
53:53
Speaker 6: that your agents keep saying to you, we're working on
53:55
Speaker 6: this deal. It's almost like a domino effect. If so
53:58
Speaker 6: and so signs here, then you can go to this
54:01
Speaker 6: team and so. It's by the way, I'm a good player.
54:04
Speaker 6: It should be the other way around. I should be
54:06
Speaker 6: dictating the terms. It doesn't work like that. Only some
54:09
Speaker 6: of the time. For the elite players in their prime,
54:12
Speaker 6: there's always one outlier, and that's the Lebron James. So
54:15
Speaker 6: he's the one guy in the short list. I listed
54:17
Speaker 6: twelve guys that everybody knows about that can still play
54:20
Speaker 6: in the NBA that got street cred, and I'm shocked
54:23
Speaker 6: that they're not signed yet. That could change an hour
54:27
Speaker 6: from them. I hear some of the guys. Kevin Love,
54:30
Speaker 6: who played for the Jazz this past year, is still
54:33
Speaker 6: can play in an NBA game at age thirty eight
54:35
Speaker 6: off the bench contributed.
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Speaker 1: Is that room for him on the Jazz roster?
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Speaker 6: All right, Jazz, right now as you speak, right now,
54:41
Speaker 6: they have fifteen guaranteed contracts. They could waive somebody and
54:46
Speaker 6: take the hit on the salary cap. So it's possible. Now,
54:49
Speaker 6: remember they just signed Mobama yesterday and so that would
54:53
Speaker 6: that's the probably their third center probably. All right, it's
54:58
Speaker 6: still possible though. All Right, Number eleven, Jonas follow Tunis
55:01
Speaker 6: just got waived by the Nuggets because his contract is
55:05
Speaker 6: uh would have been next year, would have been up,
55:07
Speaker 6: it would have been uh valid. Then the Nuggets opted out,
55:12
Speaker 6: So now he's out there. I form a Jazz man
55:14
Speaker 6: sharpshooter George ni Yang, so he can play in the
55:17
Speaker 6: game and make rainbow freeze from the corner. He's saying,
55:20
Speaker 6: why not me?
55:20
Speaker 1: All right?
55:21
Speaker 6: Delmar du Rosan heading to the Hall of Fame with
55:24
Speaker 6: the set played for the Sacral Kings last year. Is
55:27
Speaker 6: still a productive scorer. He's out there. He they you know,
55:32
Speaker 6: he got waived by mutual consent and now they call
55:37
Speaker 6: it the stretch Division. They're gonna stretch out his contract
55:39
Speaker 6: for the next three years. He's out there. I Benedict
55:43
Speaker 6: Mathern if restricted free agent for the Clippers. He's got game,
55:47
Speaker 6: he can play. He's playing well for the Clippers last year.
55:50
Speaker 6: They haven't resigned him yet because they're waiting for other things.
55:53
Speaker 6: I Peyton Watson of the Denver Nuggets, young fella. U
55:56
Speaker 6: c l a bouncy six foot as the Nuggets have
56:02
Speaker 6: a hard time playing defense. This guy can guard. He's restricted.
56:06
Speaker 6: The Nuggets are saying to him, we love your dog. However,
56:10
Speaker 6: we're not gonna pay you as far as until Sewing
56:12
Speaker 6: bids on you. So if no bids on you, we're
56:15
Speaker 6: gonna give you true a fair contract. Agent's saying, wait
56:19
Speaker 6: a second, that we want more. And that's the power
56:23
Speaker 6: pole right now, all right. Jonathan kaminga that we talked
56:26
Speaker 6: about you and I shown in the last two years
56:29
Speaker 6: Golden State was there. He left, He goes to Atlanta, Atlanta,
56:34
Speaker 6: walked away from twenty four point three million dollars because hey,
56:38
Speaker 6: we love your talent, but we're not sure about you
56:41
Speaker 6: as far as you fitting in here with our group.
56:44
Speaker 6: Right now, he's out there. I spend it been Whittie
56:47
Speaker 6: off the bench as a point guard age thirty three.
56:51
Speaker 6: Everybody loves him as far as a backup point guard.
56:54
Speaker 6: He's out there right now. Russell Westbrook the devil, the
57:00
Speaker 6: devil sewan or or I'm misguided. I'm misguided. Hey, I'm misguided,
57:08
Speaker 6: as he's saying right now. He's out there right now,
57:10
Speaker 6: all right. Draymond Green he opped out of twenty seven
57:14
Speaker 6: point six million dollars, showing a whole bunch of money
57:16
Speaker 6: because he's saying that that I can get another year
57:20
Speaker 6: or so extension by the Warriors if we don't get
57:23
Speaker 6: Lebron is his oldest domino effect.
57:26
Speaker 4: He's out there all right.
57:28
Speaker 6: James Harden, he opped out of forty two point three
57:31
Speaker 6: million dollars because he's saying that that I don't want
57:36
Speaker 6: to sign give me two years at let's go Sean,
57:39
Speaker 6: let's go at A thirty five and thirty for equals
57:42
Speaker 6: seventy million. So I go in the sunset at age
57:45
Speaker 6: thirty nine. And then there's the number one domino effect
57:48
Speaker 6: of all of them is Lebron James. Once Lebron commits
57:51
Speaker 6: what he's doing, then a lot of these guys fall
57:54
Speaker 6: into different teams. Right now, that's my top twelve.
57:57
Speaker 2: Okay, not his official list to by the way, but
58:01
Speaker 2: one that is worth discussing. And there's a couple of
58:03
Speaker 2: names on there that are from a culture standpoint, from
58:09
Speaker 2: a locker room standpoint. Right you bring in Lebron James,
58:12
Speaker 2: everybody on.
58:13
Speaker 1: The rosters happy.
58:14
Speaker 2: The fan base is probably happy, The ticket sellers are happy,
58:17
Speaker 2: the jersey sellers are happy.
58:19
Speaker 1: That kind of thing.
58:21
Speaker 2: Draymond Green is as polarizing a figure as you're gonna
58:26
Speaker 2: find in the NBA. Now, one thing that you have
58:28
Speaker 2: to admit about Draymond if you're a staunch hater, he's
58:32
Speaker 2: a good basketball player and he does the things that
58:34
Speaker 2: every team needs. He'll rebound for you, he'll get under
58:37
Speaker 2: another team skin he'll play defense, he can hit a
58:40
Speaker 2: three point shot when you need him to, but he
58:43
Speaker 2: has been a warrior and he's been like insulated from
58:46
Speaker 2: all of that other stuff.
58:47
Speaker 1: They know how to handle him.
58:49
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr, Steph Curry, Klay Thompson to some extent while
58:53
Speaker 2: he was still there, they all kind of knew how
58:55
Speaker 2: to deal with the mess of Draymond Green, and they
58:59
Speaker 2: made it worth it. I'm not confident if I'm a
59:02
Speaker 2: GM elsewhere that the same thing happens with my team
59:07
Speaker 2: because of Draymond's personality, because of his history, I'm not
59:10
Speaker 2: sure that my fan base is gonna like the idea
59:12
Speaker 2: of having that guy at this age, at this number
59:16
Speaker 2: whatever a bunch of the other guys on your list. Gordy,
59:19
Speaker 2: It's just like, all right, if and when when these
59:22
Speaker 2: guys get signed, it's gonna make sense for the team.
59:25
Speaker 2: Draymond and to a lesser extent, I think Russell Westbrook
59:29
Speaker 2: not quite so easy to make those decisions. But starting
59:33
Speaker 2: with Draymond, what kind of process are you going through
59:36
Speaker 2: as a coaching staff, as a front office to make
59:40
Speaker 2: sure that you want to bring him in.
59:44
Speaker 6: You're gonna pause right now, because you're right your point
59:47
Speaker 6: is very valid where the Warriors understand his personality and
59:52
Speaker 6: he's played well for them most of the time. He's
59:55
Speaker 6: the math of it right now he turns he's right
59:58
Speaker 6: now part me. He's thirty six years young. Right now,
1:00:01
Speaker 6: he's entering his fifteenth season. And so we're talking to
1:00:04
Speaker 6: a new contract would be probably no more than two years,
1:00:08
Speaker 6: and so they're waiting to see but with Lebron and
1:00:11
Speaker 6: other players, and they're probably gonna do it for two years.
1:00:14
Speaker 6: And that two years with then Sean would also be
1:00:17
Speaker 6: the exact same contract with Steph Curry and also Steve Kerr.
1:00:22
Speaker 4: So it's possible.
1:00:23
Speaker 6: Again it's in the discussion point that all three those
1:00:27
Speaker 6: guys might could go into the sunset all together. Meaning
1:00:31
Speaker 6: what they had this great, incredible run of four championships
1:00:34
Speaker 6: in an eight year window where they really played. They
1:00:37
Speaker 6: played tremendous team basketball. So that's gonna happen with other
1:00:41
Speaker 6: teams is unlikely they want him, Okay, Russell Westbrook, he's
1:00:47
Speaker 6: heading to the Hall of Fame. He's a walking triple double.
1:00:49
Speaker 6: But there's something missing as far as him, as far
1:00:53
Speaker 6: as he's like a wild card. Sure, that's what he is,
1:00:57
Speaker 6: and that's why he's a tremendous play. However, also there's
1:01:03
Speaker 6: things about him on the court, especially when he takes
1:01:06
Speaker 6: those illvised three point shots when it's crucial time. And
1:01:10
Speaker 6: you know, I call that a shooting turnover where it's
1:01:13
Speaker 6: worse than a turnover because if it's a turnover, it's
1:01:16
Speaker 6: out of bounds, the clock stops, he catches a three
1:01:20
Speaker 6: point shot, hits the back rim, that suddenly it's a
1:01:23
Speaker 6: long rebound and off to the races far transition.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I asked this question, because when you're
1:01:28
Speaker 2: talking about guys like this, who have they've already proven
1:01:31
Speaker 2: their worth. They've already proven themselves in the NBA, They've
1:01:34
Speaker 2: already made enough money like they're playing because they still
1:01:37
Speaker 2: love the game they're playing, because they can still make
1:01:39
Speaker 2: money playing the game. If you're a team, though, you're
1:01:42
Speaker 2: not going to give them top top dollar because of
1:01:44
Speaker 2: where they're at age wise, at that point in their career.
1:01:47
Speaker 2: And also, I think you have to answer, you have
1:01:50
Speaker 2: to ask the question for yourself. Do they get me
1:01:53
Speaker 2: closer to my goal this year? Do they get me
1:01:55
Speaker 2: closer to a championship? Is Russell Westbrook the piece that
1:01:59
Speaker 2: puts you over the hump if you're right there as
1:02:01
Speaker 2: a championship contender.
1:02:02
Speaker 6: Feels like, no, no, it's highly unlikely, right, And if
1:02:07
Speaker 6: he's a young team, you don't want him influencing the players.
1:02:10
Speaker 1: Same thing with the same thing potentially with Draymond Green.
1:02:12
Speaker 2: I think Draymond's got more you know, gas left in
1:02:14
Speaker 2: the tank than Russell Westbrook does. But he's also a
1:02:18
Speaker 2: lot more problematic, I think, personality wise in some ways.
1:02:22
Speaker 2: I mean, Russell Westbrook say what you want about him.
1:02:25
Speaker 2: He's never punched a teammate in the face to our knowledge, right,
1:02:28
Speaker 2: So there's all of this, and I know they're good
1:02:32
Speaker 2: basketball players, but you can't just say, oh, well, he's
1:02:34
Speaker 2: a good basketball player, so I want him on my team.
1:02:36
Speaker 2: If he's a quiet guy, a hard work and humble guy,
1:02:39
Speaker 2: someone that's not going to ruffle any feathers, sure you
1:02:42
Speaker 2: can probably just do that. But with those personalities in particular,
1:02:46
Speaker 2: we talk about it all the time, Gordy, You're allowed
1:02:48
Speaker 2: to do that if it translates to winning or more winning.
1:02:52
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr probably hated having a deal with Draymond sometimes,
1:02:56
Speaker 2: but he's like, you know what, he serves the role
1:02:59
Speaker 2: he's supposed to serve on game days. He's really valuable
1:03:02
Speaker 2: to us. I just I don't know if I'm a
1:03:05
Speaker 2: GM ready to make that decision. Does Draymond Green get
1:03:09
Speaker 2: me over the hump whatever I think the hump is,
1:03:11
Speaker 2: And even then I'm like, probably not unlikely.
1:03:14
Speaker 4: Also with Steve Kerr dealing with Draymond dream Green, is
1:03:19
Speaker 4: that also when he Steve Curry played for the Bulls
1:03:22
Speaker 4: with Dennis Rodman. Sure, so he's around people with different
1:03:25
Speaker 4: personalities and they have a winning game.
1:03:28
Speaker 2: And Steph's personality is one absolutely that allows you to
1:03:32
Speaker 2: because he's like the sort of the quiet killer.
1:03:34
Speaker 1: He's the guy who doesn't have to be coddled.
1:03:37
Speaker 2: He's not the guy that you have to tell him
1:03:40
Speaker 2: he's the alpha and let him be vocal about being
1:03:42
Speaker 2: the alpha. He's just that guy, right, Like if Draymond
1:03:46
Speaker 2: and Lebron don't work together the way that Draymond and
1:03:49
Speaker 2: Steph did for all those years.
1:03:51
Speaker 1: Very much so.
1:03:54
Speaker 4: With Steph Curry.
1:03:55
Speaker 6: He has a dominant game without a dominant voice, and
1:04:00
Speaker 6: that's when you that's when your teams win. For example,
1:04:04
Speaker 6: Lakers and yesteryear when they had Kobe Bryant and Paalgosol.
1:04:10
Speaker 6: It was a perfect working relationship. Kobe had a dominant
1:04:14
Speaker 6: game and a dominant voice, Pagosol had a dominant game
1:04:18
Speaker 6: with with with a no voice in a good way.
1:04:21
Speaker 6: And then when with the Lakers before that, it was
1:04:24
Speaker 6: two personalities with Sequille O'Neil and Kobe both guys dominant
1:04:29
Speaker 6: games and dominant voices. But Phil Jackson had the ability
1:04:33
Speaker 6: to get everybody on that same page most of the time,
1:04:36
Speaker 6: and the Lakers won three championships from a two thousand
1:04:39
Speaker 6: to two thousand and two, two thousand and two or
1:04:41
Speaker 6: one oh two. So it does happen, but it makes
1:04:45
Speaker 6: it so much as called a chemistry, it's this unbelievable balance,
1:04:50
Speaker 6: this winning potion of how players' personalities, how they meshed
1:04:55
Speaker 6: together at that time of their career. So that's what
1:04:59
Speaker 6: makes it so interesting. And that's every sport, especially as
1:05:03
Speaker 6: the team sport, where a player can play on a
1:05:07
Speaker 6: certain team and fit well, but in the next team
1:05:10
Speaker 6: he doesn't.
1:05:13
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson versus aj debonsa right. I don't know how
1:05:17
Speaker 2: many times we're gonna see them actually de ing up
1:05:20
Speaker 2: one another on the in that game, but it seemed
1:05:24
Speaker 2: clear as they get ready to face one another. Peterson
1:05:29
Speaker 2: with the Jazz, aj with the Wizards. It seemed clear
1:05:33
Speaker 2: through the draft process that you know they they were
1:05:36
Speaker 2: cordial with one another, but there's like they're not best friends.
1:05:40
Speaker 2: They're not friendly necessarily, right, there's an intensity to the relationship.
1:05:44
Speaker 2: Maybe uh, And this is the first time we get
1:05:47
Speaker 2: to see them as professionals squaring off against one another.
1:05:52
Speaker 2: And I guess, you know, using the other guy as
1:05:55
Speaker 2: as the litmus test as the measuring stick, what do
1:05:57
Speaker 2: you expect from that matchup, that dynamic as they square
1:06:02
Speaker 2: off in Summer League.
1:06:03
Speaker 6: The first thing is that you want to be ultra
1:06:04
Speaker 6: aggressive both guys. But what happens a lot of times
1:06:08
Speaker 6: you get so hyper about the matchup is that you
1:06:11
Speaker 6: struggle and there's so much energy taken away from you
1:06:14
Speaker 6: in the first part of the game. And just like
1:06:17
Speaker 6: it's almost like a playoff game where you want to
1:06:20
Speaker 6: play so well that you struggle because of the.
1:06:26
Speaker 4: Mental part of it. So I was counseling of both players.
1:06:29
Speaker 6: I would say to them that be ultra aggressive, but
1:06:32
Speaker 6: take a deep breath often to understand that let the
1:06:35
Speaker 6: game come to you versus you being so aggressive with
1:06:38
Speaker 6: you out of control.
1:06:39
Speaker 4: That's the first thing.
1:06:40
Speaker 6: The second thing is that what this is still one
1:06:44
Speaker 6: time game in as far as in the Summer League,
1:06:48
Speaker 6: there will be thousands of other games coming along that
1:06:50
Speaker 6: you're going to play against the top level teams.
1:06:54
Speaker 4: Take it for what it is.
1:06:55
Speaker 6: It's the first first Summer League game, one versus and
1:07:00
Speaker 6: that what you want to do is out actually also
1:07:03
Speaker 6: enjoy it. Remember last year with Victor wen beyond by
1:07:06
Speaker 6: the hype last year, Remember him in the tunnel. They
1:07:08
Speaker 6: kept on showing him in a tunnel. This is a
1:07:10
Speaker 6: guy that I'm sorry three years ago now when he's
1:07:12
Speaker 6: a rookie. This is ending tonight right now, Slow down
1:07:15
Speaker 6: to your thought process, take your time, be aggressive, but
1:07:19
Speaker 6: don't be out of control.
1:07:21
Speaker 7: Gordon.
1:07:22
Speaker 2: There's a funny story about Will Hardy having to teach
1:07:26
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson, who Ed Reid the Hall of Fame NFL
1:07:29
Speaker 2: safety Ed Reid was because I guess the Jazz have
1:07:33
Speaker 2: a defensive shift call. They they shout Raven at each other, Raven,
1:07:38
Speaker 2: Raven and partner.
1:07:38
Speaker 1: That is because Will Hardy loved the Ravens and he
1:07:41
Speaker 1: loved ed Reid.
1:07:42
Speaker 2: And apparently in a film session he had he had
1:07:46
Speaker 2: Darren Peterson and Darren Peterson was five years old, so
1:07:50
Speaker 2: it was five years old the last time Ed Reid
1:07:52
Speaker 2: played football. So he doesn't know who Ed Reed is,
1:07:54
Speaker 2: and so Will Hardy made him do some homework and
1:07:58
Speaker 2: watch Ed Reid highlights. You're a guy who's been through,
1:08:02
Speaker 2: you know, five different generations of basketball, five different generations.
1:08:06
Speaker 1: Of pro sports.
1:08:07
Speaker 2: Did you ever have moments like that where you would
1:08:10
Speaker 2: reference a player, you would reference an athlete, you would
1:08:12
Speaker 2: reference anything to the younger players, and they'd look at
1:08:15
Speaker 2: you like, I don't know what you're talking about.
1:08:17
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is.
1:08:17
Speaker 6: Well, here's one with the Call Malone, where a Call
1:08:20
Speaker 6: Malone is a student of the game. So one time
1:08:24
Speaker 6: we're in the air many times we're an airplane to
1:08:26
Speaker 6: say the least, but he's abound three o'clock in the morning,
1:08:28
Speaker 6: and I called never sleeps and needed to do why
1:08:31
Speaker 6: And so Call came down to me on the three
1:08:34
Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning on the airplane and we started talking,
1:08:36
Speaker 6: which is we did often. However, he said to me, Gordy,
1:08:40
Speaker 6: tell me about Bob Pettitt. So Bob Pettitt was his
1:08:44
Speaker 6: all NBA player in the Hall of Fame for Louisiana State,
1:08:48
Speaker 6: and so he's a power forward. And so Carl wanted
1:08:51
Speaker 6: to know about Bob Pettitt, how he played like, and
1:08:56
Speaker 6: so I described Bob Pettit to Call. And that's the
1:09:00
Speaker 6: one moment I remember in particular where our guy sought
1:09:05
Speaker 6: some of that saw and play who he played like?
1:09:08
Speaker 6: And did I play like him? And the answer is
1:09:11
Speaker 6: somewhat becalls so much different. Bob Pettit was six foot nine,
1:09:14
Speaker 6: very similar to Call, weigh two fifty pounds, very similar
1:09:17
Speaker 6: to Call, but called much more hops and much more versatility.
1:09:21
Speaker 4: Different era.
1:09:22
Speaker 6: So I remember that particular three o'clock in the morning
1:09:25
Speaker 6: and call, We're in Cleveland, where we've been flying into
1:09:28
Speaker 6: Cleveland three o'clock in the morning, and that's what we did.
1:09:32
Speaker 2: Back to the AJ versus Darren, we kind of hope
1:09:36
Speaker 2: for rivalries, not only team but personal rivalries developed between
1:09:41
Speaker 2: star players. And there's been different ears of NBA basketball
1:09:45
Speaker 2: that you know, naturally give us that. And then there's
1:09:47
Speaker 2: like the friendship era where Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh
1:09:51
Speaker 2: and Chris Paul and all these guys just want to
1:09:53
Speaker 2: like Lebron.
1:09:54
Speaker 1: They want to play kumbaya together and stuff.
1:09:56
Speaker 2: I think Victor Wenbinyall and this younger generation are the
1:09:59
Speaker 2: pendul swung back the other way, where these guys want
1:10:02
Speaker 2: to have a little bit of a frosty relationship with
1:10:05
Speaker 2: one another. For Darren Peterson, AJ Debonsa, they played in
1:10:10
Speaker 2: the same conference in college one two in the draft.
1:10:14
Speaker 2: I imagine that there's some, you know, some dynamic that
1:10:18
Speaker 2: exists because of that. But one guy's with the Jazz
1:10:21
Speaker 2: in the West and one guys with the Wizards in
1:10:23
Speaker 2: the East. So it's not like they're gonna see each
1:10:25
Speaker 2: other a ton, maybe until we get to playoff basketball,
1:10:28
Speaker 2: hopefully this year, but also later on in their careers.
1:10:31
Speaker 2: Is it does it make sense that these two would
1:10:34
Speaker 2: I guess, create, foster, cultivate a rivalry between one another
1:10:41
Speaker 2: very much.
1:10:42
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
1:10:43
Speaker 6: Now they're gonna play each other twice a year, once
1:10:45
Speaker 6: at home and once in darren piece point of view
1:10:50
Speaker 6: in Washington, d C. And then let's hope it happens
1:10:53
Speaker 6: someday they play in the postseason together, which means that
1:10:56
Speaker 6: NBA champion the finals then, which would be great right now,
1:10:59
Speaker 6: So I Peterson, so it's your age group. We are
1:11:03
Speaker 6: both young fellas nineteen twenty years old, and that's that's
1:11:07
Speaker 6: your group right now that you had to play against.
1:11:10
Speaker 6: And Donald Mitchell now is age thirty. It just shows
1:11:13
Speaker 6: you had time flies the Domind's gonna be thirty right now.
1:11:16
Speaker 6: And Kay Cunningham is in his prime. He's a twenty
1:11:20
Speaker 6: five years old, And Anthony Edwards is gonna be is
1:11:23
Speaker 6: twenty five years old. And Jamal Murray right now is
1:11:25
Speaker 6: a twenty eight years old and Jalen Brunson is gonna
1:11:29
Speaker 6: be twenty nine years old. So these are all guys
1:11:31
Speaker 6: that are elite players and they in this a new
1:11:34
Speaker 6: generation of people. So now it's gonna be aj with
1:11:38
Speaker 6: Darren Peterson. But the point about this is that it's
1:11:41
Speaker 6: more about their team though. So even so the questions
1:11:44
Speaker 6: always is how can I showcase my talent level to
1:11:47
Speaker 6: the extreme but help my help my teammates get better
1:11:50
Speaker 6: and our team wins. And that's the thing that most
1:11:53
Speaker 6: players they'll understand, is that this is about winning. Even
1:11:57
Speaker 6: though you have an unbelievable talent level, you've got to
1:12:00
Speaker 6: play to win, and maystinks tell you that both these
1:12:02
Speaker 6: guys do. Right now, it should be an exciting time
1:12:04
Speaker 6: for the NBA. These guys, all these guys like many
1:12:08
Speaker 6: many players in the draft. Remember camp Buza also is
1:12:10
Speaker 6: playing showing let's watch also when camp Busea plays also
1:12:16
Speaker 6: for the Memphis Grizzlies. What he's gonna do right now?
1:12:19
Speaker 6: And Boosa is a tremendous young talent. Also, he's in
1:12:22
Speaker 6: a group.
1:12:23
Speaker 2: Also, your philosophy on the sophomores in Summer league basketball,
1:12:30
Speaker 2: the guys who they've already been through in the full
1:12:33
Speaker 2: NBA season. You know, obviously the summer league is designed
1:12:37
Speaker 2: mostly for rookies and newcomers and guys trying to break in.
1:12:40
Speaker 2: But you know, guys like Cooper Flag and Stefan Castle
1:12:44
Speaker 2: who have some star power to him. The Spurs are
1:12:48
Speaker 2: shutting down Castle, They're not gonna have him played summer league.
1:12:50
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on the the older guys for
1:12:53
Speaker 2: summer league?
1:12:54
Speaker 6: Well, right now in jazz basketball, that's some of the
1:12:57
Speaker 6: players that they're gonna go right now. Cody Williams, this
1:13:01
Speaker 6: is thirty year, so Cody Williams should be able to
1:13:04
Speaker 6: uh play well on most possessions in the summer League,
1:13:07
Speaker 6: and he has, to his credit, he's gotten stronger, he's
1:13:09
Speaker 6: much more confident. Ace Bailey, We'll see if he plays
1:13:14
Speaker 6: any time right now for the listeners, he has a backspasms,
1:13:18
Speaker 6: so they held him out the last few games here
1:13:19
Speaker 6: in Salt Lake City. Now starts the new new sack
1:13:22
Speaker 6: of tonight. It's going to be in in Las Vegas
1:13:25
Speaker 6: right now, showing Las Vegas. Do you call it the
1:13:28
Speaker 6: sink Capitol Sin city?
1:13:30
Speaker 1: Baby? Do you do you call it that? Well? I
1:13:33
Speaker 1: end up.
1:13:34
Speaker 2: The sin that I'm guilty of in Vegas is gluttony.
1:13:37
Speaker 2: I end up eating way too much when I'm down there.
1:13:39
Speaker 2: You mean, mister buffet, love the buffets, love all the
1:13:43
Speaker 2: you know, fancy five star restaurants.
1:13:45
Speaker 1: Really spend too much money on food and eat way
1:13:47
Speaker 1: too much food.
1:13:48
Speaker 2: Every time I go to Vegas, I don't gamble right
1:13:51
Speaker 2: because I lose to quickly, and then I'm like, I
1:13:54
Speaker 2: could have done something else with that five hundred bucks. Right,
1:13:57
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna tell the other crazy stuff that happens
1:14:00
Speaker 2: in Vegas. So you know, dinner, dinner is the show
1:14:03
Speaker 2: for me in Vegas. That's that's the sin for me,
1:14:06
Speaker 2: the gluttony.
1:14:07
Speaker 1: What about you?
1:14:08
Speaker 4: No, I'm the opposite.
1:14:09
Speaker 1: You're on the tables, You're on blackjack?
1:14:11
Speaker 4: No, not really, No, I watch people. Oh, I like
1:14:16
Speaker 4: watching those people like your like your type.
1:14:20
Speaker 1: People watching people at Vegas Casino. Absolutely elite. Got as
1:14:25
Speaker 1: good as it gets.
1:14:26
Speaker 6: Really, I learned a lot about you and behavior, some good,
1:14:30
Speaker 6: some bad and often ugly. Yeah, if you know what
1:14:32
Speaker 6: I mean, especially in Vegas.
1:14:34
Speaker 8: Uh.
1:14:34
Speaker 1: What is your official list for the day? Gordon?
1:14:37
Speaker 5: On?
1:14:37
Speaker 6: My list today is a short list, and it's who's
1:14:41
Speaker 6: who in basketball as far as yesteryear, players in the
1:14:46
Speaker 6: NBA history to be selected for at least eight all
1:14:51
Speaker 6: NBA teams and eight all defensive teams. So eight and
1:14:56
Speaker 6: eight you're an elite player as far as all NBA
1:15:00
Speaker 6: and also you're the All Defensive team. These players listed
1:15:04
Speaker 6: below were two way game standouts and an elite level.
1:15:09
Speaker 6: All possessed versatility and longevity.
1:15:12
Speaker 4: So it's eight and eight.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: Here we go.
1:15:15
Speaker 6: Chris Paul on Chris Paul number ten, number nine, Kevin
1:15:20
Speaker 6: Garnett number eight on this list, Gary Payton number seven,
1:15:26
Speaker 6: David Robinson number six, A keep a LaJuan Again, this
1:15:31
Speaker 6: list is based on eight NBA teams, all pro and
1:15:37
Speaker 6: eight defensive teams. Number six a keep Alajahwon number five,
1:15:43
Speaker 6: John Halicek number four, Kobe Bryant, number three, Kareem Abdul Jabbar,
1:15:51
Speaker 6: number two, Michael and Jordan and number one is amazing.
1:15:55
Speaker 6: This before I say his name, this guy is the
1:15:57
Speaker 6: most ever. He was fifteen times vogevoted All NBA All
1:16:01
Speaker 6: Pro and fifteen times voted All Defensive Team fifteen and fifteen.
1:16:08
Speaker 6: The criteria was eight and eight, which is unbelievable. I
1:16:11
Speaker 6: mentioned these guys here. This guy is fifteen and fifteen.
1:16:14
Speaker 1: Almost did it twice over.
1:16:16
Speaker 6: All right, So Sean, do you know it is? Just
1:16:19
Speaker 6: think about NBA basketball, Bill Russell, all right, Bill Russell
1:16:23
Speaker 6: and Wilt Chamberlain. Unfortunately, they didn't keep all Defensive NBA
1:16:29
Speaker 6: team until nineteen sixty nine, so Wilt and so Bill
1:16:33
Speaker 6: Russell retired them. These guys were the on this list,
1:16:36
Speaker 6: but Wilt and Bill Russell were a different era.
1:16:39
Speaker 4: Unfortunately.
1:16:40
Speaker 6: All right, the number one guy in the NBA with
1:16:43
Speaker 6: the most ever eight and eight All Pros, All Defensive Team,
1:16:48
Speaker 6: this guy is fifteen and fifteen. Tim Duncan.
1:16:51
Speaker 1: Wow, I to make fundamental.
1:16:54
Speaker 6: So the Spurs have two guys on this list, David
1:16:56
Speaker 6: Robinson and Tim Duncan, of the top ten of all time.
1:17:01
Speaker 6: Gets even better fiftor went Piamba talk about the Spurs
1:17:06
Speaker 6: good fortune at age twenty two, He's already has right
1:17:09
Speaker 6: now one All NBA and two All Defensive Team, so
1:17:13
Speaker 6: a minus major injury to be on this list. Quickly,
1:17:17
Speaker 6: what about Jazz basketball? Carl Malone was voted fourteen times
1:17:22
Speaker 6: All NBA and four All Defensive Teams. John Stockton voted
1:17:27
Speaker 6: eleven times All NBA and five All Star Defensive teams. Quickly,
1:17:33
Speaker 6: and Jazz basketball and present tense, Let's hope that someone
1:17:36
Speaker 6: on the Jazz roster can make All Pro as far
1:17:40
Speaker 6: as being the top NBA players would also be voted
1:17:43
Speaker 6: All Defensive Teams.
1:17:45
Speaker 2: We're looking at you, Darren Peterson, that's your job shown
1:17:51
Speaker 2: fifteen and fifteen.
1:17:53
Speaker 4: That's insane Duncan.
1:17:56
Speaker 2: And he never looked like he was trying hard to
1:17:58
Speaker 2: do any of it, you know what I mean, always
1:18:00
Speaker 2: had that casual look on his face.
1:18:02
Speaker 6: If you call economy economy of motion, that's what he
1:18:05
Speaker 6: had right now, very so is Shawn to you.
1:18:07
Speaker 1: That's right.
1:18:08
Speaker 4: When you fought Sewan, you were you are really analytical.
1:18:12
Speaker 1: I was the opposite of that.
1:18:15
Speaker 4: Analytically, we're talking about the.
1:18:16
Speaker 1: Anti Tim Duncan. When it comes to that.
1:18:19
Speaker 2: It's actually we got there's a huge fight this weekend
1:18:21
Speaker 2: coming up, and I've been talking about it. Connor McGregor's
1:18:24
Speaker 2: coming back. Max Holloway is my favorite fighter and he's
1:18:27
Speaker 2: fighting Connor McGregor. And a big thing about McGregor at
1:18:32
Speaker 2: his you know, height, is that he would just pick
1:18:36
Speaker 2: his shots so well. He was deadly accurate, right, he
1:18:39
Speaker 2: wouldn't throw things unless they were going to land. And
1:18:42
Speaker 2: now he's been out for five and a half years,
1:18:44
Speaker 2: So the question is does he still have that? If
1:18:47
Speaker 2: you haven't been cultivating it, if you haven't been training it,
1:18:49
Speaker 2: if you haven't been honing that skill, do you have it?
1:18:52
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan, fifteen years of that, more than that, more
1:18:55
Speaker 2: than fifteen years, but just fifteen and fifteen like.
1:18:57
Speaker 1: You're saying, but that economy emotion is important in.
1:19:01
Speaker 4: Every sport show.
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1:19:21
Speaker 2: Jersey patches are being bought and put on Big twelve uniforms.
1:19:28
Speaker 2: Ripple did it for Kansas. We heard about UNLV getting
1:19:32
Speaker 2: a nice number. Monster Energy of course gets to be
1:19:36
Speaker 2: on every Big twelve jersey. But how do we feel
1:19:40
Speaker 2: about the truck with the duck Valley Plumbing, heating and
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Speaker 2: cooling on a Utah Jersey. Well, I'm gonna pitch it
1:19:45
Speaker 2: to Rob, the brain's behind the operation. I'm gonna do
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Speaker 1: Just look for the truck with the duck.
1:20:18
Speaker 2: All right, Time for my genius pitch to Valley Plumbing,
1:20:21
Speaker 2: Heating and Cooling. Rob in studio with us Cayden also
1:20:24
Speaker 2: in studio. They have important things to talk about here
1:20:27
Speaker 2: in just a second. But Rob, here's my pitch for you.
1:20:29
Speaker 1: Okay. Here, we're at Big twelve media Days.
1:20:31
Speaker 2: These last couple of days, right, we find out that
1:20:34
Speaker 2: a Monster Energy patch is going on every jersey for
1:20:37
Speaker 2: men's and women's basketball and for football. Every team has
1:20:40
Speaker 2: to wear Monster Energy, but they can also sell their
1:20:44
Speaker 2: own logos on the jersey. All right, My proposal is
1:20:49
Speaker 2: Utah football truck with the duck. Get that duck right
1:20:52
Speaker 2: on that front of the Utah football jerseys. It'll probably
1:20:56
Speaker 2: only cost you five or six million bucks. No biggie,
1:20:58
Speaker 2: no biggie. All right, Valley Plumbing, Heating and Cooling presenting
1:21:03
Speaker 2: Utah football.
1:21:04
Speaker 1: What do you think?
1:21:05
Speaker 7: See, I don't want to be on Utah's jersey. I
1:21:07
Speaker 7: want to be on Beyond byus. Come on, man, no,
1:21:11
Speaker 7: I'll put my competitor on Church jersey.
1:21:14
Speaker 1: Turn off his microphone, baby.
1:21:17
Speaker 2: Uh no, it's it's wild to think about the I mean,
1:21:21
Speaker 2: I never thought we'd get to a point in college
1:21:24
Speaker 2: sports where we had advertisements on jerseys. That's a European
1:21:28
Speaker 2: sports thing. It started to trickle into American pro sports,
1:21:32
Speaker 2: and now it's in college.
1:21:33
Speaker 7: It's private equity at its finest. It's you got to
1:21:35
Speaker 7: get paid. They want to get paid and they want
1:21:37
Speaker 7: to get paid.
1:21:38
Speaker 2: Now, that's exactly how it rolls, all right, Uh, Valley Plumbing,
1:21:43
Speaker 2: heating and cooling.
1:21:44
Speaker 1: It is hot right now in the valley. It is
1:21:47
Speaker 1: hot everywhere in the state of Utah right now.
1:21:50
Speaker 2: And last time we had you on, we talked about it,
1:21:53
Speaker 2: like make the phone call when it's not blazing hot,
1:21:57
Speaker 2: because the schedule might be a little bit more open
1:21:59
Speaker 2: for Valley Plumbing, but you're still gonna get people out there.
1:22:02
Speaker 7: If we've got problems, We're gonna do whatever we gotta
1:22:05
Speaker 7: do to get out there and get you helped out.
1:22:06
Speaker 7: We understand a lot of people are busy, and we
1:22:09
Speaker 7: get it, but we have built around that knowing that
1:22:12
Speaker 7: we're gonna have these fluctuations. But yeah, it is hot
1:22:15
Speaker 7: and your systems are gonna be completely overworked coming up here.
1:22:19
Speaker 7: I mean, what is one hundred and four hundred and
1:22:20
Speaker 7: five hundred and six coming up yikes, And so yeah,
1:22:24
Speaker 7: do what you gotta do to get it done. Give
1:22:26
Speaker 7: us a call, will come out immediately, or you know,
1:22:29
Speaker 7: worst case scenario, stops working, give us a call. We'll
1:22:32
Speaker 7: do what we can do.
1:22:33
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought Kayden, and Kayden, you're in charge
1:22:35
Speaker 2: of excavation, right, like the underground plumbing. Okay, now this
1:22:40
Speaker 2: is something oftentimes when we're talking about I need a plumber,
1:22:44
Speaker 2: you think I got a leaky faucet, my toilet's acting up.
1:22:48
Speaker 1: Whatever.
1:22:49
Speaker 2: The call that is really tough to make, and you
1:22:52
Speaker 2: don't know. Am I calling a landscaping comfortdrinkler guy?
1:22:55
Speaker 1: By doing sprinklers here?
1:22:57
Speaker 2: That underground plumbing, it's that's a big It feels like
1:23:00
Speaker 2: a big, daunting, scary job every single time. But that
1:23:04
Speaker 2: is your area of expertise. Valley plumbing, heating, cooling and
1:23:09
Speaker 2: underget ground plumbing.
1:23:10
Speaker 4: You can handle that, yes, sir, yep, anything of that nature.
1:23:12
Speaker 9: We do everything from big sewer lines, little sewer lines,
1:23:16
Speaker 9: you know, big main water line, big huge systems, everything
1:23:19
Speaker 9: of that nature, and we do all of it.
1:23:20
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to have you come out to my house.
1:23:22
Speaker 1: I hate that.
1:23:23
Speaker 2: I have so many examples at my own house of
1:23:25
Speaker 2: the stuff going wrong. But this is a true story
1:23:28
Speaker 2: from last summer. So my stopping waste valve right with
1:23:31
Speaker 2: the big old sprinkler key. Yes, sir, all of you
1:23:34
Speaker 2: out there who own a home, you know what I'm
1:23:35
Speaker 2: talking about. Mine is fourteen inches underneath the like, oh good, beside,
1:23:42
Speaker 2: it's not six feet deep where it's supposed to be.
1:23:46
Speaker 1: Should be right.
1:23:47
Speaker 2: So I had a guy out there repairing a sprinkler
1:23:50
Speaker 2: valve and we had just turned it on and he's like, whoa,
1:23:53
Speaker 2: what's going what's going on with this? I said, yeah, man,
1:23:55
Speaker 2: the house is built in like nineteen sixty. They probably
1:23:58
Speaker 2: haven't done anything with it since. And he's like, all right,
1:24:00
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna dig this out a little bit more.
1:24:03
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a bid and so we can
1:24:06
Speaker 2: like drop this down and put it where it's supposed
1:24:08
Speaker 2: to be. I'm like, okay, great, cool, sounds good. And
1:24:11
Speaker 2: then he dug a hole. He had his shovel and
1:24:14
Speaker 2: his stuff out there. He was digging in my front
1:24:16
Speaker 2: little park strip for about three hours. He knocked on
1:24:19
Speaker 2: the door and he goes, you know, man, I'm really sorry,
1:24:21
Speaker 2: but this is this is beyond my capacity. He's like,
1:24:25
Speaker 2: you got a bunch of crazy pipe down there, you
1:24:27
Speaker 2: got all this stuff, this is gonna be a massive job.
1:24:30
Speaker 2: You're gonna need to call someone who's a little bit
1:24:33
Speaker 2: further up the food chain. And I was just like
1:24:35
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm I'm gonna put it all back the
1:24:37
Speaker 2: way it was before. But you're gonna need to get
1:24:40
Speaker 2: this fixed sooner than later. So Kate, and you're gonna
1:24:42
Speaker 2: be coming.
1:24:43
Speaker 1: To my house.
1:24:43
Speaker 4: Yes there, you call me Rob. How often do we
1:24:45
Speaker 4: hear that?
1:24:45
Speaker 7: But you know what, I gotta give it to him
1:24:47
Speaker 7: because most people will just be like, I have no
1:24:50
Speaker 7: idea what I'm doing. I'm just gonna keep doing it
1:24:52
Speaker 7: and problems and then they're like, sorry, man, you paid.
1:24:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what, I was happy to pay
1:24:58
Speaker 2: him what we had already agreed on because because I
1:25:01
Speaker 2: mean he was he was honest. Yeah, he was just like,
1:25:04
Speaker 2: I if I start tearing this up, I'm probably gonna
1:25:07
Speaker 2: make it worse than it is because it's working fine.
1:25:10
Speaker 2: He's like, at some point, you got rusty pipes that
1:25:13
Speaker 2: are sixty years old whatever, and you're.
1:25:16
Speaker 1: You're gonna freeze. This is gonna freeze at some point.
1:25:19
Speaker 1: It literally is like a foot down. Yeah. Yeah, he
1:25:23
Speaker 1: had great integrity. Shout out to that guy, you know
1:25:25
Speaker 1: he listens.
1:25:26
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it's one of those things, especially other
1:25:29
Speaker 2: up in the avenues, these older homes and stuff like that.
1:25:31
Speaker 2: You're getting to a point now where your water main
1:25:34
Speaker 2: is probably gonna be something that needs to be looked at. Yeah,
1:25:37
Speaker 2: and you don't not only do you don't want to
1:25:39
Speaker 2: have to deal with it yourself, but you gotta make
1:25:42
Speaker 2: sure that the company that you call knows what they're doing,
1:25:44
Speaker 2: because not everyone's gonna be as honest as that guy was.
1:25:47
Speaker 1: That's why we got to call Valley.
1:25:49
Speaker 7: Well here's the interesting thing too, and you can look
1:25:51
Speaker 7: this up. There's a big thing going on right now
1:25:53
Speaker 7: in Salt Lake City where they've actually looked into how
1:25:56
Speaker 7: many homes still have lead water lines. It's a big deal.
1:26:00
Speaker 7: They still have a lot of lead water lines, which
1:26:03
Speaker 7: I mean, was it Michigan that had the problem with
1:26:06
Speaker 7: the left the lead water on Michigan?
1:26:07
Speaker 1: There you go.
1:26:08
Speaker 7: So, I mean, they have a lot of lead water
1:26:10
Speaker 7: lines here and the city is working to figure out
1:26:14
Speaker 7: who's got them, figure out how we can get them changed.
1:26:17
Speaker 7: You know, we run into them from time to time,
1:26:19
Speaker 7: and you know, we know what to do. We you know,
1:26:21
Speaker 7: we replace that, We put in the newer style plastic
1:26:24
Speaker 7: water lines and and then you don't have to worry
1:26:26
Speaker 7: about that anymore because that can be an issue, you know,
1:26:28
Speaker 7: So we do run into it quite a bit, So
1:26:30
Speaker 7: that's something to look at before I cut.
1:26:32
Speaker 2: You guys lose Kate and you're gonna be coming and
1:26:34
Speaker 2: helping me out with the water line. But Robs it,
1:26:37
Speaker 2: we can't talk to him about sports because what he
1:26:39
Speaker 2: just revealed.
1:26:40
Speaker 1: So sir, yes, sir, you you fan.
1:26:42
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm the only BYU guy in the office.
1:26:47
Speaker 1: That's okay.
1:26:47
Speaker 9: And I remember you guys talking about the the NHL playoffs.
1:26:50
Speaker 9: I'm probably the only Pittsburgh Penguin fan in the state too.
1:26:53
Speaker 2: So we'll forgive you on the Penguins thing right now.
1:26:57
Speaker 2: You think you think how much Crosby have up in
1:27:00
Speaker 2: the tank?
1:27:01
Speaker 9: I think two years maybe, I think maybe two years
1:27:03
Speaker 9: when Ovechkin goes. I think Crosby's going.
1:27:05
Speaker 1: To all right.
1:27:06
Speaker 2: Coming off of big twelve media days, Devin, Dan, Pierre,
1:27:09
Speaker 2: all those guys were down there, we had a chance
1:27:11
Speaker 2: to talk to him. You also have Bird Ficklan waiting
1:27:13
Speaker 2: in the wings two quarterback situation. What do you think
1:27:16
Speaker 2: the balances are we seeing? Eighty percent Devin twenty percent.
1:27:19
Speaker 7: Bird.
1:27:20
Speaker 9: I've been I've been kind of polling the fans on this.
1:27:22
Speaker 9: I think it's going to be a seventy thirty is
1:27:25
Speaker 9: what I think it's going to be. And I think
1:27:26
Speaker 9: that they're going to bring a bird out in some
1:27:28
Speaker 9: packages that are really going to be I don't know
1:27:31
Speaker 9: that rhino package. I think that he could be putting
1:27:33
Speaker 9: that rhino package. Let's go and do something crazy. But
1:27:36
Speaker 9: we'll see what happens there. I'm excited for this year.
1:27:39
Speaker 9: I think there's a lot of offensive power that we
1:27:41
Speaker 9: have that we can play with this year.
1:27:42
Speaker 2: All right, So give Valley Plumbing, Heating and Cooling a call,
1:27:45
Speaker 2: tell him you got an underground plumbing problem.
1:27:47
Speaker 1: Caden'll come out.
1:27:48
Speaker 2: You could talk a little Utah football and he'll fix
1:27:50
Speaker 2: the problem for you. Best way for our listeners to
1:27:52
Speaker 2: get ahold of the truck.
1:27:53
Speaker 7: With the duck it is eight zero one three four
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Speaker 7: one four two two two or w d WW dot
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Speaker 7: Valley Plumbing HVAC dot com. Either way we can get
1:28:06
Speaker 7: a hold of us.
1:28:07
Speaker 1: Get on the phone now. Do not wait.
1:28:09
Speaker 2: If you think that little leak is gonna go away,
1:28:11
Speaker 2: it's not. It's just gonna get bigger, more problematic. If
1:28:15
Speaker 2: if that air conditioner is chugging along like an old lawnmower,
1:28:18
Speaker 2: oh yeah, just have them come look at it now.
1:28:20
Speaker 2: Because it's about to get really, really hot. Thanks for
1:28:23
Speaker 2: coming in, fellas, appreciate it.
1:28:25
Speaker 5: Thank you.
1:28:25
Speaker 2: Robin Caiden from Valley Plumbing, Heating and Cooling. The truck
1:28:28
Speaker 2: with the duck quack Quack baby. All right, Sean O'Connell
1:28:32
Speaker 2: show wages on. Dan Sorenson joins us. Next, some takeaways
1:28:36
Speaker 2: for media days.
1:28:37
Speaker 1: We got the Gov. Spencer Warren to talk World Cup.
1:28:40
Speaker 2: Still it's the Sean O'Connell Show in ESPN seven ninety
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Speaker 2: twofmas by.
1:28:54
Speaker 5: Sean O'Connell show, you were home of the best inside
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Speaker 5: of your hues. Let's get back to WOC from the
1:29:00
Speaker 5: Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven ninety two one AM,
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Speaker 5: Monster Energy.
1:29:12
Speaker 2: Big twelve Media Days wrapped up yesterday afternoon down there
1:29:17
Speaker 2: at the Star in Frisco, Texas. I'll give the Big
1:29:21
Speaker 2: twelve credit. It was more organized this year than last.
1:29:26
Speaker 2: That's as far as the credit's going to go. I
1:29:28
Speaker 2: think some weird decisions are being made in the Big
1:29:30
Speaker 2: twelve conference.
1:29:31
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that.
1:29:31
Speaker 2: We'll talk about takeaways from some of the conversations we
1:29:35
Speaker 2: had with Morgan Scally, Lance Holtzklaw, Devin, Dan Pierre et cetera,
1:29:41
Speaker 2: et cetera. Dan Sorenson kind enough to join us here
1:29:46
Speaker 2: Utah Football Insider. As we get him on, well, we'll
1:29:50
Speaker 2: pick brains about some of the big recruiting trips that
1:29:55
Speaker 2: have happened at the University of Utah, some of the
1:29:57
Speaker 2: big commitments that they've gotten as of late.
1:30:01
Speaker 1: Dan Sorenz and welcome to the show. How are you
1:30:04
Speaker 1: doing well?
1:30:05
Speaker 7: How are you doing?
1:30:05
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right, man.
1:30:07
Speaker 2: You know, the media days are the two only long
1:30:11
Speaker 2: days of radio in our calendar, so we had eight
1:30:15
Speaker 2: hours ish each day and got to talk to the
1:30:20
Speaker 2: whole ute contingent yesterday. I know that you were listening
1:30:23
Speaker 2: to it, aggregating all the content, et cetera, et cetera.
1:30:26
Speaker 2: Did you have any major takeaways? Was there anything that
1:30:29
Speaker 2: really stuck out for you from media Day?
1:30:32
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, media Day's a lot of fun, and I
1:30:34
Speaker 10: know it's especially a long day for you. Of course,
1:30:37
Speaker 10: we had Sammy Mora from you Zone down on site.
1:30:41
Speaker 10: I listened pretty heavily yesterday.
1:30:43
Speaker 5: And.
1:30:45
Speaker 11: Look, it was a good day.
1:30:46
Speaker 10: I think the things that really stood out to me
1:30:48
Speaker 10: were a it was a good opportunity for Morgan Scally
1:30:52
Speaker 10: to introduce himself to the rest of the conference. And
1:30:56
Speaker 10: one of my favorite things that he did was in
1:30:58
Speaker 10: his press conference where he was talking about recruiting Colin Klein,
1:31:02
Speaker 10: the Kansas State coach, as a quarterback out of out
1:31:05
Speaker 10: of Colorado, and talking about.
1:31:07
Speaker 11: His respect for him and and talking about his respect
1:31:10
Speaker 11: for some of.
1:31:10
Speaker 10: The other coaches that are around the league.
1:31:12
Speaker 11: And I think that that kind of thing plays really
1:31:14
Speaker 11: well as as well it.
1:31:16
Speaker 10: Should, And so that was a good opportunity. It was
1:31:19
Speaker 10: nice to see some of the the players and and.
1:31:24
Speaker 11: Have an opportunity to show their personalities.
1:31:28
Speaker 10: You guys did a great interview yesterday with way Sean
1:31:30
Speaker 10: Parker and and talking about things beyond football and things
1:31:34
Speaker 10: like an il and real estate investment, but.
1:31:37
Speaker 11: And and then you know, weird things like that.
1:31:39
Speaker 10: But having a chance to get to know him and
1:31:42
Speaker 10: and the character that he is and the personality that
1:31:45
Speaker 10: he has. You know, a lot of people see that
1:31:48
Speaker 10: in dev In in Devin Danpier because he's visible, right,
1:31:54
Speaker 10: but it's you don't You don't always get that with
1:31:56
Speaker 10: some of the other guys.
1:31:57
Speaker 11: And there are some impressive guys.
1:31:58
Speaker 10: On this squad, So it was really nice to see
1:32:01
Speaker 10: an opportunity for those guys to shine and show their
1:32:04
Speaker 10: personality to fans and that sort of thing.
1:32:07
Speaker 11: From a news perspective, I never really expect.
1:32:09
Speaker 10: To see a lot coming out of these days.
1:32:13
Speaker 11: Especially because it's pretty fall camp for.
1:32:15
Speaker 10: Everybody, and so everybody's still undefeated, everybody is still optimistic,
1:32:19
Speaker 10: everybody's still a champion in their mind. Whether it's realistic
1:32:22
Speaker 10: or not, but overall, it was a good opportunity for
1:32:26
Speaker 10: the program to showcase itself, especially to the other regions
1:32:29
Speaker 10: in the conference.
1:32:31
Speaker 2: How realistic is optimism for Utah football? And Morgan Scalley's
1:32:36
Speaker 2: first year as a head coach in a year where
1:32:38
Speaker 2: you've got to replace five starters on the offensive line,
1:32:42
Speaker 2: in a year where your defensive line lost some production,
1:32:45
Speaker 2: in the transfer portal and things like that. I mean,
1:32:49
Speaker 2: you've got two sides to the argument, and I don't
1:32:52
Speaker 2: really need to lay them out for you. You've got
1:32:54
Speaker 2: the consistency of a guy that's been on campus for
1:32:57
Speaker 2: twenty plus years taking over the reins the head coach.
1:33:01
Speaker 2: And then you've got the turnover of you know, just
1:33:03
Speaker 2: attrition to the NFL graduation, transfer portal, etc. That have
1:33:08
Speaker 2: taken undeniably some of the best players off of last
1:33:11
Speaker 2: year's team. You look at the schedule, you look at
1:33:15
Speaker 2: the fact that it is sometimes difficult for a first
1:33:18
Speaker 2: year head coach to get his feet under him right away.
1:33:21
Speaker 2: How realistic is it for Utah fans to expect a
1:33:25
Speaker 2: ten win season, like a lot of people seem to.
1:33:28
Speaker 10: Look, I'm the hashtag team fun guy, right, so I'm
1:33:31
Speaker 10: always gonna lean towards the optimism side of the equation,
1:33:36
Speaker 10: especially cautious optimism in regards to this year. And so, look,
1:33:42
Speaker 10: it's not unrealistic for this program to go out and
1:33:47
Speaker 10: make a huge statement in Morgan Scalley's first year. Yes,
1:33:54
Speaker 10: you laid out some of those things in terms of
1:33:57
Speaker 10: the things that we don't know. And look, Scally's never
1:34:01
Speaker 10: been a head coach. There are things he doesn't know
1:34:03
Speaker 10: what he doesn't know yet. Sometimes you just have to experience.
1:34:07
Speaker 11: The thing before you can really.
1:34:08
Speaker 10: Know how you're going to react. I don't know that
1:34:11
Speaker 10: I've ever seen a head coach be as prepared for
1:34:15
Speaker 10: the moment that Morgan scally is right now. He's a
1:34:18
Speaker 10: smart guy. He's been making himself ready to take over
1:34:24
Speaker 10: this program and put his stamp on it, and the
1:34:27
Speaker 10: players really seem to have bought in. But at the
1:34:30
Speaker 10: same time, I'm not going to really say anybody's wrong
1:34:33
Speaker 10: for picking Utah fifth or sixth in the league and
1:34:36
Speaker 10: being skeptical about Morgan Scalley.
1:34:39
Speaker 11: The reason that I think that it's realistic for.
1:34:41
Speaker 10: The youth to make a statement has got less to
1:34:43
Speaker 10: do with scali and his coaching staff and everything to
1:34:47
Speaker 10: do with who the starting quarterback is. Anybody that's been
1:34:51
Speaker 10: watching college football for a long time, you know that
1:34:54
Speaker 10: a strong quarterback can cover up an awful lot of
1:34:58
Speaker 10: flaws on a team and can account for It's the
1:35:02
Speaker 10: one position where that player can account for wins almost
1:35:06
Speaker 10: by themselves. Scale he said it yesterday or yesterday at
1:35:11
Speaker 10: Big twelve media day, where last year we saw Devin
1:35:13
Speaker 10: dan Pierre and he was hurt all year long, We've
1:35:15
Speaker 10: not seen a healthy Dev take snaps behind center at
1:35:21
Speaker 10: the University of Utah, and look, he was so explosive
1:35:24
Speaker 10: at New Mexico.
1:35:25
Speaker 11: We saw so many good things.
1:35:26
Speaker 10: He did last year that he can build upon, and
1:35:30
Speaker 10: now that he's fully healthy, if he can stay healthy
1:35:34
Speaker 10: and have a strong season, that there really aren't a
1:35:37
Speaker 10: lot of limits that this team can reach.
1:35:40
Speaker 11: It's basically how.
1:35:41
Speaker 10: Far can Devin lead them as assuming that we see
1:35:44
Speaker 10: the kind of play that we expect out of him,
1:35:47
Speaker 10: and so, look, it's a lot of pressure to put
1:35:49
Speaker 10: on one guy and a lot of expectation to put
1:35:52
Speaker 10: on one guy. And yes, bird Ficklin's waiting in the wings. Yes,
1:35:55
Speaker 10: there are other factors, like the fact that there's a
1:35:58
Speaker 10: new offensive coordinator, are going to be some rinkles to
1:36:01
Speaker 10: the system. But given who the youths have a quarterback,
1:36:05
Speaker 10: given the fact that they've got a revamped wide receiver
1:36:08
Speaker 10: room that Scali has repeatedly said, it might be the
1:36:12
Speaker 10: best wide receiver room in the history of the program.
1:36:15
Speaker 10: Which those are bold words. Coming out of the gate,
1:36:18
Speaker 10: there's a lot of reason for optimism if Dampster stays healthy,
1:36:22
Speaker 10: if he can do the magic things that he did
1:36:26
Speaker 10: while he was at New Mexico. Even if the offensive
1:36:29
Speaker 10: line takes a step back, which we fully expect them
1:36:32
Speaker 10: to do, I still think that this offense can score
1:36:35
Speaker 10: a lot of points, The defense should be good enough,
1:36:37
Speaker 10: and this team can win a lot of games. Coming
1:36:40
Speaker 10: out of the gate. In your one for Morgan Scaley.
1:36:44
Speaker 2: Dan Sarwanson is our guest here on the Shan ol'connle
1:36:46
Speaker 2: Scholl talking takeaways from media days, Utah on the docket
1:36:50
Speaker 2: yesterday BYU and Texas Tech, and some of those teams
1:36:54
Speaker 2: were day one of media day. And look, I think
1:36:57
Speaker 2: that you can't talk about the outlook for this Utah
1:37:00
Speaker 2: season without mentioning the fact that those teams seem to
1:37:04
Speaker 2: be the number one obstacle between you and a conference championship,
1:37:08
Speaker 2: you and a college football playoff. Tech is still loaded
1:37:11
Speaker 2: even without Brendan storesby BYU might be more loaded depending
1:37:16
Speaker 2: on which lens you're looking at it, and you have
1:37:19
Speaker 2: to play them. Obviously, the rivalry game has all of
1:37:22
Speaker 2: this weight to it, especially now that Utah has lost
1:37:25
Speaker 2: a few on the bounce consecutive losses building for this
1:37:30
Speaker 2: Utah football program, and I feel like that's a massive thing.
1:37:33
Speaker 2: It's something that you have to reverse sooner than later,
1:37:37
Speaker 2: for recruiting, for perception, for power balance. Obviously in the
1:37:42
Speaker 2: Big Twelve we get to focus on it. The team
1:37:45
Speaker 2: has to go game by game. But what do you
1:37:48
Speaker 2: think of the rivalry game coming up in November?
1:37:52
Speaker 11: It's going to be a monster game.
1:37:53
Speaker 10: Look, I am with you, A BYU is going to
1:37:56
Speaker 10: be a really good football team. This fall, bear backmeers
1:38:00
Speaker 10: more experience, they got LJ. Martin back that defense. It's
1:38:03
Speaker 10: they lost some pieces, but they added some big pieces,
1:38:06
Speaker 10: especially in Kidu lu Lave. So there's there's definitely that
1:38:12
Speaker 10: that is a squad that I think is going to
1:38:15
Speaker 10: be on a mission. I think they're going to rally
1:38:17
Speaker 10: around Kilani Sataki. And yes they lost players, they lost
1:38:22
Speaker 10: coaches as well.
1:38:23
Speaker 11: That what they're going to do without j Hill calling
1:38:26
Speaker 11: plays on the defense is a big question.
1:38:28
Speaker 10: But Gary Anderson still involved in that program. There's a
1:38:32
Speaker 10: brain trust around Kilani. So I do think that that
1:38:35
Speaker 10: BYU is going to be really good. The fact that
1:38:38
Speaker 10: the youths have Mettricycle Stadium is great for them. And
1:38:41
Speaker 10: and really when you look at.
1:38:43
Speaker 11: That at the Utah season, I really think it's.
1:38:46
Speaker 10: Going to be defined by that three week stretch in
1:38:50
Speaker 10: November beginning on the seventh with BYU. Can the Utes
1:38:54
Speaker 10: beat that three game losing streak and and and knock
1:38:57
Speaker 10: that away and put them above BYU in that race
1:39:02
Speaker 10: to get to the conference championship game. Then a week
1:39:04
Speaker 10: later they go to Arizona, who I think is going
1:39:08
Speaker 10: to be very very good, and they've got a senior
1:39:10
Speaker 10: quarterback much in the vein of Devn damp Here, that
1:39:14
Speaker 10: can make plays with his legs, that can win football
1:39:16
Speaker 10: games for them by himself. And then of course the
1:39:20
Speaker 10: road game at TCU on the twenty first, and so
1:39:23
Speaker 10: those two road road games back to back, and Utah
1:39:26
Speaker 10: needing to go down to Dallas Fort Worth, and look,
1:39:29
Speaker 10: I don't know that TCU is going to be a
1:39:32
Speaker 10: juggernaut per se, but it's still a tough trip to make.
1:39:35
Speaker 10: It's the longest road game that the youth have this
1:39:38
Speaker 10: year and so and it's back to back after BYU
1:39:42
Speaker 10: after a very good Arizona team.
1:39:44
Speaker 11: So if the youths can get through that stretch, they're
1:39:46
Speaker 11: going to be sitting.
1:39:47
Speaker 10: Pretty and we can be talking about potentially college football playoffs.
1:39:52
Speaker 5: Yes, they've got.
1:39:52
Speaker 10: Houston on the twenty fourth, and Houston, I think is
1:39:55
Speaker 10: going to be really good, but that's going to be
1:39:57
Speaker 10: in Salt Lake City. The rest of the Big twelve
1:39:59
Speaker 10: schedule looks pretty favorable for the Utes, and so those
1:40:02
Speaker 10: three games are going to be critically important, and it's
1:40:05
Speaker 10: going to be about how healthy can Morgan Scalley keep
1:40:08
Speaker 10: this team, how bought in can he keep them long
1:40:12
Speaker 10: term and how focused can he keep them long term
1:40:15
Speaker 10: and can they come out and can they perform when
1:40:18
Speaker 10: the pressure is on. There's a really good chance that
1:40:21
Speaker 10: by the time that Utah hits that BYU game that
1:40:24
Speaker 10: they're undefeated or maybe one loss.
1:40:27
Speaker 11: I would not be surprised at all if that were
1:40:29
Speaker 11: the case. And so if that's the.
1:40:31
Speaker 10: Case, then the pressure really gets dialed up because those
1:40:34
Speaker 10: are the toughest opponents and the time where they really
1:40:38
Speaker 10: need to perform. And can a Morgan Scaley team rise
1:40:43
Speaker 10: to the occasion. We don't know that answer yet, and
1:40:46
Speaker 10: you know, you fans are hoping and betting that yes
1:40:49
Speaker 10: they will. But man, that stretch is going to be brutal,
1:40:52
Speaker 10: and that BYU game is the most important one on
1:40:55
Speaker 10: the entire schedule.
1:40:58
Speaker 1: So it's the last time we spoke.
1:41:00
Speaker 2: Well, Utah got a rash of commitments from important players
1:41:04
Speaker 2: on their on their list important recruiting targets. Do you
1:41:08
Speaker 2: have a favorite in the class for the twenty twenty
1:41:10
Speaker 2: seven commits?
1:41:12
Speaker 11: Yeah?
1:41:13
Speaker 10: Really, it's it's it's like your kids, right, which which
1:41:16
Speaker 10: was which ones you like the most? There are really
1:41:19
Speaker 10: two that that I really like. And this is an
1:41:22
Speaker 10: interesting class. The utes have have done have They put less.
1:41:27
Speaker 11: Emphasis on big names and more emphasis on.
1:41:31
Speaker 10: Their ability to scout and their ability to project. And
1:41:35
Speaker 10: the two guys that I really really love for the
1:41:38
Speaker 10: class are actually both coming in as cornerbacks, both.
1:41:41
Speaker 11: Of them from Texas.
1:41:43
Speaker 10: One of them is Jaydon Bibbs out of Copple High
1:41:45
Speaker 10: School in Copple, Texas.
1:41:47
Speaker 11: He's a high three star, a second highest ranked recruit in.
1:41:51
Speaker 10: The class for the utes love him. He He made
1:41:56
Speaker 10: his announcements just after the nineteen or he was the
1:42:01
Speaker 10: first really of that big wave of commits that came through,
1:42:05
Speaker 10: but it was basically Utahan Baylor at the end. And
1:42:09
Speaker 10: this is a kid that, frankly, I think that he's
1:42:13
Speaker 10: severely underrated in terms of his rankings. When you watch
1:42:16
Speaker 10: his film, he is aggressive, he is mean as a
1:42:20
Speaker 10: corner He's got elite speed, he's got elite covered skills,
1:42:24
Speaker 10: he can flip his hips. He reminds me a lot
1:42:27
Speaker 10: of from a play style of Jalen Johnson. I don't
1:42:31
Speaker 10: know that he's quite as talented as Jalen was. He
1:42:33
Speaker 10: was special, which is why he is one of the
1:42:35
Speaker 10: best cornerbacks in the NFL right now. But from an
1:42:39
Speaker 10: attitude and a mentality and a style of play. That's
1:42:42
Speaker 10: what he reminds me of. And he's a guy that
1:42:44
Speaker 10: I think is going to really succeed under sharif Shaw. Similarly,
1:42:49
Speaker 10: Bug Jacobs, so Drod Jacobs is his given name. His
1:42:54
Speaker 10: nickname is Bug, which is one of the all time
1:42:56
Speaker 10: great nicknames for a Utah commit. But six two, one
1:43:00
Speaker 10: seventy five out of Memorial High School in Port Arthur, Texas,
1:43:03
Speaker 10: another high rated three star kid. He's played mostly safety,
1:43:08
Speaker 10: so at the high school level, he's going to play
1:43:10
Speaker 10: cornerback for the Utes. And another guy that he's a
1:43:14
Speaker 10: guy that basically, if you took Scooby Davis's cover skills
1:43:18
Speaker 10: and mixed it with Marquees Blair's flair for hitting, that's
1:43:22
Speaker 10: the kind of game that he plays. He's aggressive, he
1:43:25
Speaker 10: will lay the wood. He's got that athleticism and the
1:43:29
Speaker 10: speed that he needs to play corner. He's going to
1:43:32
Speaker 10: be a long corner, which Utah loves. He can play
1:43:34
Speaker 10: nickel like what we're going to see out of Rock
1:43:37
Speaker 10: called Wellness fall or he can play outside and so
1:43:40
Speaker 10: he's a versatile piece there. And he's another guy that
1:43:43
Speaker 10: he's just a humble lunch, pale go to work kind
1:43:48
Speaker 10: of guy. We talked to his high school coach, and
1:43:50
Speaker 10: the guy just raved about him and who he is
1:43:53
Speaker 10: as a leader, who he is as a worker in
1:43:56
Speaker 10: the weight room, studying film at the high school level
1:43:59
Speaker 10: even and his dedication to.
1:44:02
Speaker 11: Really improving his craft.
1:44:04
Speaker 10: And so he's another guy that I'm really excited to
1:44:06
Speaker 10: see what will happen when he gets on campus working
1:44:09
Speaker 10: with Sharif Shaw. Well, we probably aren't going to see
1:44:12
Speaker 10: them in the first year other than.
1:44:14
Speaker 11: Special teams, but beginning year.
1:44:16
Speaker 10: Two, year three, these are guys that are going to
1:44:19
Speaker 10: have an opportunity to establish themselves and potentially play and
1:44:24
Speaker 10: start multiple years. They're far and away my two favorite
1:44:27
Speaker 10: players in the class.
1:44:29
Speaker 2: You know, I could pick your brain all day. We
1:44:31
Speaker 2: do have to try to stay on clock. I appreciate
1:44:34
Speaker 2: you giving us some time. Let's chat again soon.
1:44:37
Speaker 11: Absolutely, Thanks for having me on and have a great weekend.
1:44:41
Speaker 1: Dan Sorensini yout Zone.
1:44:46
Speaker 2: I get excited when we talk about when you say
1:44:48
Speaker 2: Scooby Davis and Marquis Blair crossbreed, that's that's a set
1:44:56
Speaker 2: of skills I want to see on display. Of course,
1:44:58
Speaker 2: that's a recruit. We're talking about. We've got bigger fish
1:45:01
Speaker 2: to fry with a season upcoming, plenty of Utah football
1:45:04
Speaker 2: to talk about between now and when camp starts, and
1:45:07
Speaker 2: of course through camp, we will have elite coverage here
1:45:11
Speaker 2: on your home of the Utes. Big thanks to Dan
1:45:13
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Speaker 2: a trip to Frisco, Texas and Big twelve Meda days,
1:46:45
Speaker 2: we're gonna have Spencer warn the GOV gonna join us
1:46:47
Speaker 2: at some point here to talk a little World Cup action,
1:46:52
Speaker 2: something that kind of flew under the radar that I
1:46:54
Speaker 2: think is worth discussing, even though it's not particularly urgent.
1:46:57
Speaker 2: You gotta see how this season plays out, certainly for
1:47:01
Speaker 2: multiple reasons. But one of the more interesting things that
1:47:04
Speaker 2: did not get talked about a lot at Big twelve
1:47:07
Speaker 2: Media day is the way that a potential five for
1:47:10
Speaker 2: five model could affect rosters in the Big twelve conference,
1:47:16
Speaker 2: and ESPN wrote about it. Devin Dampierre was kind of
1:47:22
Speaker 2: the poster child that they selected for this. Devin Dampierre
1:47:27
Speaker 2: has four years of college football under his belt, including
1:47:30
Speaker 2: this one that we're about to start. If a five
1:47:33
Speaker 2: for five eligibility model is adopted. If the Save College
1:47:40
Speaker 2: Sports Act gets pushed through and becomes a federal legislation
1:47:46
Speaker 2: point that allows five years to play five in college sports,
1:47:52
Speaker 2: Guess what that means for Utah football. Guess what that
1:47:54
Speaker 2: means for Devin Dampier, not just Devon Dampier, but obviously
1:47:59
Speaker 2: quarterback very prominent, assuming that the changes take place immediately,
1:48:06
Speaker 2: assuming that they take effect in twenty twenty seven, instead
1:48:12
Speaker 2: of looking at Devin Dampier's final year in the program,
1:48:14
Speaker 2: we could be looking at his penultimate year. He could
1:48:17
Speaker 2: be looking at, well, what happens after this season with
1:48:21
Speaker 2: Devin Dampier.
1:48:22
Speaker 1: And that changes a lot of things potentially.
1:48:25
Speaker 2: Right, he has stated and in the article in the
1:48:28
Speaker 2: right Up he states that no, I'm I'm hoping to
1:48:31
Speaker 2: go to the league after this year.
1:48:33
Speaker 1: We know what that means. We know what his expectation is.
1:48:36
Speaker 2: We know how Devin dan Pierre has plans on playing
1:48:40
Speaker 2: NFL football, and I think he's good enough to play
1:48:45
Speaker 2: NFL football.
1:48:46
Speaker 1: We also know that.
1:48:48
Speaker 2: There's this sort of line, this line of demarcation when
1:48:52
Speaker 2: it comes to where are you drafted or where you
1:48:54
Speaker 2: projected to be drafted to where it actually makes more
1:48:58
Speaker 2: sense for you to stay in college sport. So if
1:49:01
Speaker 2: you have five years to play five and you're getting
1:49:04
Speaker 2: compensated handsomely as these young men are these days, for
1:49:09
Speaker 2: a lot of them, it makes sense to stay in
1:49:12
Speaker 2: college football.
1:49:13
Speaker 1: And Devin Dampier might be the best.
1:49:16
Speaker 2: Example of this, because he's a guy that is crazy
1:49:20
Speaker 2: explosive when he's healthy, is special as a runner, is
1:49:25
Speaker 2: special as a passer, but doesn't have the elite measurables,
1:49:31
Speaker 2: doesn't have the you know, box checking traits that a
1:49:37
Speaker 2: lot of NFL.
1:49:37
Speaker 1: Teams are looking for with starting quarterbacks.
1:49:40
Speaker 2: However, every college football team is looking for exactly that
1:49:43
Speaker 2: type of guy. And I'm using Devin Dampierre because, like
1:49:48
Speaker 2: the article does, like ESPN does, he is a good
1:49:51
Speaker 2: example of it. But there's people all across the landscape
1:49:56
Speaker 2: that the clock changes on and now you're getting five
1:50:01
Speaker 2: years potentially. He was asked about it at Big twelve
1:50:06
Speaker 2: media days, and again he announced his intention to pursue
1:50:12
Speaker 2: the NFL if that's a real possibility for him, But
1:50:15
Speaker 2: he also mentioned that, you know, it's nice to have
1:50:17
Speaker 2: that as kind of a safety valve.
1:50:22
Speaker 1: Making a few million.
1:50:23
Speaker 2: Bucks to be a starting quarterback in college football, either
1:50:26
Speaker 2: at Utah or somewhere else.
1:50:27
Speaker 1: It's a nice little backup plan if that's your backup plan,
1:50:31
Speaker 1: you know.
1:50:31
Speaker 3: And one quick thing, Oh see, we know Devin in
1:50:37
Speaker 3: an interview setting because addition with Devil last year.
1:50:40
Speaker 1: By the way, we're going to have that again this fall.
1:50:42
Speaker 1: Really excited about that.
1:50:44
Speaker 3: He's not a guy that you read this sort of
1:50:47
Speaker 3: thing on ESPN and you think, like, oh, he like
1:50:49
Speaker 3: said something. He was feeling like you want to be
1:50:51
Speaker 3: really bold and saying he's in support of this thing.
1:50:56
Speaker 3: That's not really Devin's style like picturing it. He probably
1:50:59
Speaker 3: was just like real laid back and just someone asked
1:51:02
Speaker 3: him about it and he was just laid back and honest, like, yeah,
1:51:05
Speaker 3: that sounds like a good idea, fair all around. But
1:51:07
Speaker 3: it's funny when you see it on ESPN dot com.
1:51:10
Speaker 3: The assumption is, oh, this guy wants to throw his
1:51:13
Speaker 3: hat in the ring and say something, say.
1:51:14
Speaker 1: A hot take. It's a national media reporter.
1:51:17
Speaker 2: It's a good it's a good clarification because it's like,
1:51:20
Speaker 2: I mean, Pete Hammon was talking to Devin dan Pierre
1:51:23
Speaker 2: because of what Utah has in the quarterback room and
1:51:26
Speaker 2: because it's such a fascinating dynamic that he and burd
1:51:30
Speaker 2: Fickland are competing with one another, but they're also close friends,
1:51:32
Speaker 2: and they're also collaborating to try to give Utah a
1:51:35
Speaker 2: big twelve championship, right, and now this potential wrinkle comes
1:51:41
Speaker 2: into that picture. Again, doesn't have to be dealt with now,
1:51:45
Speaker 2: but maybe we'll get to an off season conversation about
1:51:49
Speaker 2: that in earnest.
1:51:51
Speaker 1: Spencer Warren kind enough to join us here.
1:51:53
Speaker 2: He is one of our World Cup insiders, in addition
1:51:57
Speaker 2: to being well dialed in on RSL, MLS and all
1:52:02
Speaker 2: things the cub Spencer Warren, how are you, sir?
1:52:05
Speaker 8: Oh good man? How are you?
1:52:07
Speaker 5: You know?
1:52:08
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I, like.
1:52:11
Speaker 2: My three hundred plus million other American friends, devastated that
1:52:16
Speaker 2: we're not winning the World Cup this year, even though
1:52:18
Speaker 2: I didn't actually expect that we would win the World
1:52:21
Speaker 2: Cup this year.
1:52:21
Speaker 1: But I in not joking.
1:52:24
Speaker 2: It's been really fascinating to see the reaction the fallout
1:52:29
Speaker 2: of that elimination to Belgium, and I'd like your opinion
1:52:33
Speaker 2: on this. For me, what struck me is that it's
1:52:35
Speaker 2: not that they're out in the round of sixteen. I
1:52:38
Speaker 2: think it's how they went out in the round of
1:52:40
Speaker 2: sixteen that seems to be the most upsetting thing here.
1:52:43
Speaker 1: Is that a fair assessment in your mind?
1:52:46
Speaker 8: Yeah, a little bit. I think the US didn't really
1:52:49
Speaker 8: do themselves justice. I'm built on some of the performance
1:52:54
Speaker 8: that they had in the group stages and whatnot. But
1:52:57
Speaker 8: that being said, they actually play a very good Belgian team,
1:53:03
Speaker 8: an aging Belgian team. But at the same time, it
1:53:06
Speaker 8: was their first proper test and yeah, they fell short,
1:53:10
Speaker 8: and that's that's gonna happen. But it stings more because
1:53:14
Speaker 8: this tournament is only every four years. But yeah, there's
1:53:17
Speaker 8: definitely some room for improvement, but there's also some some
1:53:21
Speaker 8: opportunities there to for self reflection about how the US
1:53:25
Speaker 8: prepare for some of these bigger games.
1:53:31
Speaker 2: Is the seeming piling on in the criticism of Christian
1:53:36
Speaker 2: pulistic Is it fair in your mind?
1:53:39
Speaker 5: No?
1:53:39
Speaker 8: Not really. It's the team sport. Sure, I don't think
1:53:43
Speaker 8: he reached the levels that he wanted to reach. I
1:53:46
Speaker 8: don't think it was through lack of effort. But at
1:53:49
Speaker 8: the same time, oh see, I mean this this guy
1:53:51
Speaker 8: wasn't fully fit and was probably playing through the pain barrier,
1:53:57
Speaker 8: and obviously we saw that against Belgium, where you know,
1:54:01
Speaker 8: he got a bit of a knock there as he
1:54:03
Speaker 8: was trying to strike a ball at the top of
1:54:05
Speaker 8: the area. I just don't think it was fully fit.
1:54:07
Speaker 8: And if you are relying on one man, unless your
1:54:10
Speaker 8: name is Lionel Messi, then yeah, I think that's that's
1:54:14
Speaker 8: tough for a team to accommodate. But there was plenty
1:54:18
Speaker 8: of other players that let the side down against Belgium.
1:54:24
Speaker 2: A big part of the conversation and reaction to the
1:54:27
Speaker 2: exit for Team USA is the examination, the sort of
1:54:33
Speaker 2: readjudicating of our opinion on how soccer development is done
1:54:39
Speaker 2: in the United States. And if our listeners are not aware,
1:54:41
Speaker 2: you have not lived your entire life in the United States,
1:54:44
Speaker 2: as the accent might suggest, and so you probably have
1:54:47
Speaker 2: better knowledge than most on the comparisons on the differences,
1:54:53
Speaker 2: you know, and I actually really welcome for all sports,
1:54:57
Speaker 2: not just soccer, the way that you know, the youth
1:55:00
Speaker 2: soccer system is being put under the microscope because of
1:55:04
Speaker 2: this exit and because of the disappointment that people are
1:55:06
Speaker 2: feeling right now, but also we're doing it I think
1:55:10
Speaker 2: with kind of lopsided knowledge. When we say, oh well,
1:55:14
Speaker 2: I mean David Beckham. Didn't you know, he wasn't a
1:55:18
Speaker 2: rich kid and he came up in English football and
1:55:21
Speaker 2: ended up being a global star.
1:55:23
Speaker 1: Why can't we just do it their way?
1:55:25
Speaker 2: I you don't just get to flip that switch, in
1:55:28
Speaker 2: my opinion, So I wanted your thoughts on that part
1:55:31
Speaker 2: of the conversation on the examination of youth soccer and
1:55:34
Speaker 2: soccer development in our country and how much that is
1:55:39
Speaker 2: to blame for USA once again out in the round
1:55:42
Speaker 2: of sixteen.
1:55:43
Speaker 5: Yeah.
1:55:44
Speaker 8: I mean, obviously, with being a father with a lot
1:55:47
Speaker 8: of kids that have played soccer at various stages and
1:55:50
Speaker 8: various ages, you know, it's an expensive practice being a parent.
1:55:57
Speaker 8: My parents didn't have to pay anything when I would
1:56:00
Speaker 8: coming up in the UK, just minimal fees and we're
1:56:04
Speaker 8: talking maybe a few bucks a game to help with
1:56:08
Speaker 8: referee costs and stuff like that. All the coaches that
1:56:12
Speaker 8: were I had growing up were unpaid and that's that's
1:56:15
Speaker 8: a love of the game, whereas this is more of
1:56:18
Speaker 8: a business transaction. I love the fact that my children
1:56:22
Speaker 8: love the sport and I've decided to play at various levels,
1:56:27
Speaker 8: but at the same time, I think there is room
1:56:31
Speaker 8: for improvement, not only coaching. But you know what, what
1:56:36
Speaker 8: drives results? Who I mean at eight years older, we
1:56:40
Speaker 8: really do we really care what the results are or
1:56:43
Speaker 8: we're looking at development and it's a it's a balance
1:56:46
Speaker 8: and act. When you have passionate parents that are paying
1:56:49
Speaker 8: a lot of money, they want development and they want results,
1:56:52
Speaker 8: Whereas I'm of the opinion I just want development for
1:56:55
Speaker 8: my children. I couldn't give two hoots about the result.
1:56:59
Speaker 8: That's not something I worry about. I'm just looking for
1:57:02
Speaker 8: the best experience for children to be free to play.
1:57:08
Speaker 8: And if you're you're looking for a results at an
1:57:10
Speaker 8: early age, I just don't think that's helpful. It doesn't
1:57:14
Speaker 8: you know, develop a player. It might develop a mindset,
1:57:18
Speaker 8: but at the same time, you you just need a
1:57:22
Speaker 8: free opportunity to hone your skills, to make mistakes and
1:57:29
Speaker 8: not be judged for it. And I just feel like
1:57:31
Speaker 8: there's too much pressure, uh and too much money involved
1:57:34
Speaker 8: at at a younger level. But we are seeing some
1:57:38
Speaker 8: really good results in the college, the Analyst College, Draft
1:57:42
Speaker 8: Real Salt Lake are having a great time of it
1:57:44
Speaker 8: right now with with Sergei Salons. You have a young
1:57:48
Speaker 8: player in Zavia Goozo that has come through the academy
1:57:52
Speaker 8: at at Urselm. There's a few others that are knocking
1:57:54
Speaker 8: at the door as well, in and hez khe, Luca
1:57:57
Speaker 8: Moisa and some others. I'm sure I'm forgetting as well.
1:58:02
Speaker 8: There is a good platform. It's just before the pre
1:58:06
Speaker 8: academy that we're talking about right now, where I just
1:58:09
Speaker 8: think there needs to be improvement. And I don't buy
1:58:12
Speaker 8: into oh see, I don't buy into that the kids
1:58:14
Speaker 8: have to move to Mexico or South America or Europe
1:58:19
Speaker 8: to make it and get the correct development. But there
1:58:23
Speaker 8: needs to be more money at the grassroots level, and
1:58:26
Speaker 8: that's going to come from the big clubs, from the
1:58:29
Speaker 8: US Soccer Federation to plow that money into the right areas.
1:58:36
Speaker 2: Mauricio pos Chattino certainly is not responsible for fixing that
1:58:41
Speaker 2: the system that far down, but you know he in
1:58:44
Speaker 2: the group stages, everyone was falling in love with, you know,
1:58:48
Speaker 2: some of the differences we saw in this squad and
1:58:51
Speaker 2: some of the attack and there was a conversation about,
1:58:54
Speaker 2: all right, you got to lock this guy up long term.
1:58:57
Speaker 2: And then, of course, because we're prisoners of a moment
1:59:01
Speaker 2: an embarrassing loss, and that conversation changes drastically. Where do
1:59:06
Speaker 2: you stand on Mauricio post Shatito being the right guy
1:59:09
Speaker 2: to lead the US men's national team moving forward.
1:59:13
Speaker 8: Oh, if you can keep him, I would absolutely keep him.
1:59:16
Speaker 8: With that he wants to stay is a completely different question,
1:59:21
Speaker 8: you know, in its entirety, just because he is such
1:59:24
Speaker 8: a well renowned coach tries to get his team to
1:59:28
Speaker 8: to play attractive soccer. You can tell the players respond
1:59:33
Speaker 8: to him, which is a massive part of the battle
1:59:36
Speaker 8: in any sport. If you wouldn't run through a brick
1:59:39
Speaker 8: wall for your coach, that that goes a long way,
1:59:41
Speaker 8: not just outside of skill and technical ability, if you
1:59:45
Speaker 8: have the heart and desire to work and and and
1:59:48
Speaker 8: put your body on the line for a for a
1:59:50
Speaker 8: coach for a cause. I think he would just be
1:59:54
Speaker 8: a wonderful coach long term for the US. I just
1:59:58
Speaker 8: think that there's going to be other teams that would
2:00:01
Speaker 8: probably pay him a lot more money back in Europe
2:00:04
Speaker 8: that are probably keeping an eye on him and his development,
2:00:08
Speaker 8: especially after a disappointing World Cup where they probably went
2:00:12
Speaker 8: out around too early. They were looking for another round,
2:00:15
Speaker 8: you know, they wanted to be in this quarter finals
2:00:20
Speaker 8: kind of conversation rather than the round of sixteen. That
2:00:24
Speaker 8: would have shown some progress there in my opinion. But yeah, no,
2:00:29
Speaker 8: I think he's a wonderful coach. He's a wonderful communicator,
2:00:32
Speaker 8: got a great style about him and as you can see,
2:00:35
Speaker 8: as I said, the players just respond to him wherever
2:00:39
Speaker 8: he goes.
2:00:40
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Speaker 2: all of these World Cup games, including today's two o'clock
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Speaker 2: fixture between France and Morocco. In the aforementioned quarterfinals of
2:01:00
Speaker 2: this twenty twenty six World Cup, I wondered if we
2:01:04
Speaker 2: would get to a point watching the US men's national
2:01:07
Speaker 2: team where we said, ah, that's exactly where you needed
2:01:12
Speaker 2: the moon man. That position right now, that situation right there,
2:01:16
Speaker 2: that's where you would have been better off if Diego
2:01:18
Speaker 2: Luna had been selected for this squad. Did we see
2:01:22
Speaker 2: that against Belgium?
2:01:26
Speaker 5: Yeah?
2:01:26
Speaker 8: I think that the nice thing about Diego Luna is
2:01:31
Speaker 8: that he's multifunctional. It can play out wise, can play
2:01:35
Speaker 8: as at ten can play as an attacking eight. You know,
2:01:38
Speaker 8: he's just almost a Swiss army knife in three kind
2:01:44
Speaker 8: of three positions that you can get away with. I
2:01:48
Speaker 8: think it was crying out from some creativity for somebody
2:01:52
Speaker 8: to be in tight spaces and not panic when things
2:01:55
Speaker 8: weren't quite going the US's way. I would have loved
2:02:00
Speaker 8: for him to have that experience, and I do feel
2:02:04
Speaker 8: like it was a mistake not to bring him in Now.
2:02:07
Speaker 8: I was saying that pre World Cup as well, I'll see,
2:02:09
Speaker 8: and then Gio Reiner comes off the bench in that
2:02:12
Speaker 8: first game of against Paraguay and puts an exclamation point
2:02:15
Speaker 8: on the on that for one victory, So yeah, what
2:02:19
Speaker 8: what do I know? So yeah, I would just I
2:02:23
Speaker 8: would have loved with for him to have that experience
2:02:26
Speaker 8: and really put his his face on a on a
2:02:31
Speaker 8: international screen and see if there's something more. Because I
2:02:35
Speaker 8: do believe that MLS is not his ceiling. I think
2:02:39
Speaker 8: there's another step for him. I hope he stays in
2:02:42
Speaker 8: a real salt Lake for his entirety of his career,
2:02:45
Speaker 8: but yeah, I just feel like there's something there that
2:02:49
Speaker 8: that he can reach, and I think that an opportunity
2:02:52
Speaker 8: with the US men's national team at the biggest tournament
2:02:55
Speaker 8: in the world would have been a wonderful experience and
2:02:59
Speaker 8: learning experience.
2:03:01
Speaker 2: Maybe in four years it seems likely that will happen
2:03:04
Speaker 2: for him in four years, But in the meantime, he
2:03:06
Speaker 2: will be wearing an MLS RSL shirt for now, and
2:03:10
Speaker 2: like you said, I will echo the sentiment we hope
2:03:12
Speaker 2: that is the case for a very long time. And
2:03:15
Speaker 2: as we draw closer to the end of this World Cup,
2:03:17
Speaker 2: it means we're closer to the return of RSL. And
2:03:22
Speaker 2: you know, you've got a big match coming up I
2:03:24
Speaker 2: guess next week with Burnley coming into town, and I
2:03:27
Speaker 2: wanted your thoughts on you know, this squad getting back
2:03:30
Speaker 2: rolling after the international break.
2:03:33
Speaker 8: Yeah, it'll be nice to see where where some of
2:03:35
Speaker 8: the guys are. I've not really had much to do
2:03:38
Speaker 8: with OURSL because of the World Cup, you know, I've
2:03:41
Speaker 8: just been enjoying the break from from Major League Soccer.
2:03:47
Speaker 8: But obviously for those that are tuned in, they've sort
2:03:50
Speaker 8: of seen that Nelson Palacios, who had been on loan
2:03:53
Speaker 8: in Switzerland, the Columbian midfielder, has made his exit from
2:03:58
Speaker 8: Real Salt Lake, and that ours brought in a winger
2:04:01
Speaker 8: from Atlanta United as well, so there's been a little
2:04:06
Speaker 8: bit of movement. There's still question marks about Diego Luna
2:04:10
Speaker 8: and his availability, not injury, but are their clubs sniffing
2:04:15
Speaker 8: around for his services and obviously Zaviegozo as well. I'm
2:04:19
Speaker 8: delighted that nothing's happened. Hopefully that means that they'll be
2:04:23
Speaker 8: here for the rest of twenty twenty six. But we've
2:04:26
Speaker 8: got a thick schedule coming in after the fifteenth of
2:04:31
Speaker 8: this month that's friendly with Burnley. You've got two games
2:04:36
Speaker 8: at the end of July for Major League Soccer starting
2:04:39
Speaker 8: on the twenty seconds, and then you've got a full
2:04:44
Speaker 8: schedule the month. The games are going to be crammed in,
2:04:46
Speaker 8: particularly with League's Cup. With t Gray's coming in Atlante
2:04:51
Speaker 8: and Juarez, that's three games you've got a sandwich in
2:04:54
Speaker 8: along with a bunch of Major League Soccer games as well.
2:05:00
Speaker 8: So yeah, the game's going to come thick and fast,
2:05:02
Speaker 8: and you're going to start to see a full utilization
2:05:05
Speaker 8: of those squads, those young players that did so well
2:05:08
Speaker 8: at the start of the season. And then we're able
2:05:11
Speaker 8: to take a breather and a break and go back
2:05:13
Speaker 8: down to the Monarchs and get their first team football there.
2:05:17
Speaker 8: I think there's going to be a few more minutes
2:05:19
Speaker 8: available and a little bit more rotating as the season
2:05:23
Speaker 8: wears on.
2:05:25
Speaker 2: Before we let you go back to the World Cup momentarily. Here,
2:05:28
Speaker 2: you've got France versus Morocco coming up. You've got some
2:05:33
Speaker 2: really intense matches on the docket in this quarterfinal round.
2:05:38
Speaker 2: And have you seen anything the changes you're expected outcome
2:05:43
Speaker 2: and who's potentially going to win this whole tournament?
2:05:47
Speaker 8: Yeah, So, I mean, I've got this game today, France
2:05:51
Speaker 8: and Morocco I think has got all the makings of
2:05:55
Speaker 8: whoever gets through as the potential I would say the
2:06:00
Speaker 8: favorites to be champions, the world champions. Spain obviously are
2:06:05
Speaker 8: going to be there or thereabouts. I believe that they've
2:06:09
Speaker 8: got the edge over Belgium. The Norway England game is
2:06:13
Speaker 8: very very tightly matched. We've seen Norway just do some
2:06:16
Speaker 8: wonderful things. Argentina an aging team against Switzerland that looks
2:06:24
Speaker 8: so comfortable in penalties against Columbia, Argentina having to dig
2:06:30
Speaker 8: deep against Egypt to make sure that they get through
2:06:34
Speaker 8: to the to the quarter finals. So it's very very tight.
2:06:38
Speaker 8: But I feel like the winners of this game today
2:06:41
Speaker 8: between France and Morocco that kicks off in just about
2:06:44
Speaker 8: a half an hour's time. Will I would say sixty
2:06:48
Speaker 8: certain not really sitting on the fence there, I see,
2:06:52
Speaker 8: but sixty one of those two is going to be
2:06:55
Speaker 8: the World champions.
2:06:56
Speaker 2: Six the time. It works every time, every GOV appreciate
2:07:05
Speaker 2: you giving us some thoughts. Let's have you on again
2:07:07
Speaker 2: before this thing's over all?
2:07:08
Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 8: Absolutely no man, do you take care?
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Speaker 2: quarterfinal matches, a big weekend of soccer as we march
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Speaker 2: closer to crowning the champions of the twenty twenty six
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Speaker 2: World Cup, actual world champions. We do that with you know,
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, and with NBA Finals, Major League Baseball,
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Speaker 2: and in the case of this, it's an actual world
2:07:47
Speaker 2: champion because it is a World Cup, so actual world
2:07:51
Speaker 2: champions in addition to all the American club club teams
2:07:56
Speaker 2: battling out for the World Championship every year.
2:07:58
Speaker 3: By the way, that's funny do that. But I always
2:08:01
Speaker 3: push back on people that say, let's just stop. I'm like, no, it,
2:08:04
Speaker 3: it's tradition. Now we're gonna keep doing it.
2:08:06
Speaker 2: Also, I feel very comfortable saying that, you know, the
2:08:13
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks were world champions this year in American football,
2:08:16
Speaker 2: because you could allow anyone from any country anywhere to
2:08:20
Speaker 2: assemble their best squad and they're not gonna beat the
2:08:23
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks, so it's okay for them to say world champions.
2:08:26
Speaker 2: The same is true in baseball. The same is true
2:08:29
Speaker 2: in NHL hockey, although it would be really neat to
2:08:32
Speaker 2: see your Stanley Cup champions, who are not often called
2:08:36
Speaker 2: world champions, by the way, but to watch them the
2:08:39
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup champs play like the KHL winner yea, you know,
2:08:43
Speaker 2: like that'd be fun.
2:08:44
Speaker 1: We could do that, yeah, and they would come out
2:08:47
Speaker 1: on top pretty much every time, a.
2:08:48
Speaker 3: Little champions league, you know, soccer style champions league for hockey.
2:08:53
Speaker 3: I think there might be a day when we and
2:08:56
Speaker 3: maybe that day's coming soon, that that would make a
2:08:58
Speaker 3: lot of sense to do something like that in basketball too.
2:09:01
Speaker 2: But yeah, I also enjoy the level of coping that
2:09:05
Speaker 2: happens when we when Team USA loses in anything, right,
2:09:10
Speaker 2: and because we're Americans and we don't like to feel
2:09:14
Speaker 2: inferior in anything. We immediately just like, yeah, but Belgium
2:09:18
Speaker 2: has zero SEC championships.
2:09:23
Speaker 1: Take that, Belgium. Every Super Bowls is Belgium one.
2:09:27
Speaker 3: None we we have just because we can make a
2:09:29
Speaker 3: good Belgian waffle here too, So we're fine.
2:09:35
Speaker 2: Honestly, I've had Belgian waffles in Belgium. We were just
2:09:38
Speaker 2: in Brussels earlier this year for the PFL. That's my
2:09:43
Speaker 2: third third visit to Belgium. They have good freetz, the fries,
2:09:48
Speaker 2: they have good Belgian waffles. Nothing you can't get here.
2:09:52
Speaker 2: Shout out to.
2:09:55
Speaker 1: Yah, yeah, well done everyone.
2:10:00
Speaker 2: All right, we are half hour away from World Cup
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Speaker 1: Excuse me? Excuse me? I how the uh? That's my bad?
2:12:28
Speaker 3: It's the Genesis Scottish Open, not the that must be
2:12:33
Speaker 3: that other championship, must be one of the lower level
2:12:37
Speaker 3: tournaments that are happening at the exact same time. But
2:12:39
Speaker 3: the Genesis Scottish Open is the one that's gonna have
2:12:41
Speaker 3: the bigger names in there, so we'll get that.
2:12:43
Speaker 2: I like to go with the obscure one, but all right, fine,
2:12:46
Speaker 2: we'll do the Genesis Scottish Open.
2:12:48
Speaker 3: Todd Kim's your leader, tied for the lead with uh,
2:12:52
Speaker 3: with Patrick Cantley, Roy McElroy in there as well, a
2:12:55
Speaker 3: couple other guys at five under. Brooks Kopka is in
2:12:59
Speaker 3: the one shot off the lead at four under, tied
2:13:03
Speaker 3: for six. Let's see who else. Some of the more
2:13:06
Speaker 3: recognizable names there Kurt Kitty Yama's in there in that
2:13:10
Speaker 3: group as well, one shot off the lead, tied for thirteenth,
2:13:15
Speaker 3: Just a couple of shots off the lead. Matt McCarty,
2:13:17
Speaker 3: Wyndham Clark, you're US Open champion, and check check and
2:13:24
Speaker 3: see if our guy Tony Fenaw is in the field.
2:13:27
Speaker 3: Doesn't appear to be in the field.
2:13:29
Speaker 1: So that's your PGA Tour leaderboard update.
2:13:33
Speaker 3: A week before the British Open OC final major of
2:13:37
Speaker 3: the year, they're at the Genesis Scottish Open.
2:13:40
Speaker 2: All right, getting used to the climate over there, the
2:13:43
Speaker 2: big time PGA golfers because.
2:13:48
Speaker 3: A little different and uh yeah, if you if you're
2:13:50
Speaker 3: like OC and want to know what's going on in
2:13:52
Speaker 3: the more obscure one, you can google it.
2:13:56
Speaker 1: Then google it because you went to golf does not
2:14:00
Speaker 1: about that, all right? All right.
2:14:04
Speaker 2: We talked about this on the area yesterday. We interviewed
2:14:07
Speaker 2: a couple people about it. I've read more stuff on it.
2:14:11
Speaker 2: The Monster Energy Big twelve football season on a Monster
2:14:14
Speaker 2: Energy Utah Football field at rice Eco Stadium, part of
2:14:18
Speaker 2: the Monster Energy Big twelve coverage at Monster Energy Big
2:14:23
Speaker 2: Twelve Media Days, Monster Energy got one of the greatest
2:14:28
Speaker 2: marketing discounts we have ever seen was that, like seven
2:14:31
Speaker 2: times in thirty seconds you said Monster Energy. I'm telling you,
2:14:35
Speaker 2: are you on the payroll of Big twelve conference?
2:14:37
Speaker 1: See? Okay? I or Monster people want probably want me
2:14:40
Speaker 1: to shut up about this. I will die on the hill.
2:14:44
Speaker 2: I'm going to write a sternly worded email to corporate
2:14:48
Speaker 2: at Monster Energy asking for an exemption on the requirement
2:14:53
Speaker 2: that the Big twelve Jersey patches have a green Monster logo.
2:14:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were totally right about this.
2:15:01
Speaker 3: At Big twelve media days, we saw as far as
2:15:04
Speaker 3: the conference logos go, we see in the Pac twelve era,
2:15:08
Speaker 3: Utah had the red, was able to do red, Washington
2:15:11
Speaker 3: was able to do with the purple or whatever. Yeah,
2:15:13
Speaker 3: and Big twelve we see that by U as the
2:15:16
Speaker 3: blue XII. Utah is the red XII. All the other
2:15:22
Speaker 3: schools we see that in the other conferences as well
2:15:25
Speaker 3: ought to be able to do that with the Monster logo.
2:15:27
Speaker 1: Don't we think you know why?
2:15:28
Speaker 2: Especially because Monster doesn't even put a green logo on
2:15:32
Speaker 2: every can.
2:15:32
Speaker 1: No, They've got the white one, they.
2:15:34
Speaker 2: Got the white one, they got the clear one, they
2:15:36
Speaker 2: have a red one, they have a blue one. They
2:15:37
Speaker 2: have all these different flavors.
2:15:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, Taylor can be green.
2:15:41
Speaker 2: There you go, Monster just say that you're advertising a
2:15:44
Speaker 2: strawberry one or whatever.
2:15:46
Speaker 1: So it really like that. The esthetic thing bothers me. Genuinely.
2:15:52
Speaker 1: I'm not alone in this.
2:15:54
Speaker 2: I stumbled onto the Kansas state message boards and the
2:15:59
Speaker 2: TCU message boards and they're going to have to put
2:16:03
Speaker 2: bright green on purple and that's gonna look ugly. And
2:16:07
Speaker 2: Kansas is mad about it because they're going to put
2:16:08
Speaker 2: bright green on blue. By the way, Kansas is the
2:16:11
Speaker 2: reason I want to have this conversation because yesterday they
2:16:14
Speaker 2: announced that Ripple, the XRP the cryptocurrency, is sponsoring a
2:16:21
Speaker 2: jersey patch on Jayhawks football jerseys. And guess what, they're
2:16:27
Speaker 2: different colors for the home in the away jerseys so
2:16:29
Speaker 2: that it matches the color scheme a little bit better.
2:16:31
Speaker 2: And guess what the reported dollar figure is on those.
2:16:36
Speaker 2: Kansas went out and got that on their own, and
2:16:38
Speaker 2: they're allowed to. Utah is allowed to the good thing
2:16:43
Speaker 2: about the Monster Energy deals it doesn't preclude you from
2:16:46
Speaker 2: getting your own jersey sponsor. Did you hear what the
2:16:50
Speaker 2: reported number is on the Ripple cryptocurrency?
2:16:55
Speaker 1: I did not, was it?
2:16:57
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess with three million, between five six million
2:17:00
Speaker 2: per years, what's being reported? Wow, Now when it's a
2:17:04
Speaker 2: vague number like that, between five and six million, maybe
2:17:08
Speaker 2: it's not either of those numbers. But UNLV has a
2:17:12
Speaker 2: Jersey patch. You know how much UNLV got for their
2:17:15
Speaker 2: Jersey patch two point two million dollars.
2:17:19
Speaker 3: Washington State I believe was in that same neighborhood for
2:17:22
Speaker 3: their jersey Washington State got two million.
2:17:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:17:25
Speaker 2: Do you know how dumb that is that the entire
2:17:28
Speaker 2: conference is being sold for one point two million dollars
2:17:31
Speaker 2: per school?
2:17:32
Speaker 1: Like Brett your Mark, I applaud the.
2:17:35
Speaker 2: Hey, let's go out and let's get a conference wide sponsor,
2:17:40
Speaker 2: but you have devalued your institutions to an unacceptable level.
2:17:46
Speaker 3: Is there any chance just just to throw it out there,
2:17:50
Speaker 3: give just a teenc bit of benefit of the doubt.
2:17:52
Speaker 3: Is there any chance that Brett your Mark and his
2:17:56
Speaker 3: people that oversaw this deal went to Monster and said
2:18:00
Speaker 3: we want we want seven million a year and Monster
2:18:04
Speaker 3: is like, you're not the big ten. Let's calm down here.
2:18:08
Speaker 3: Is there any chance there could have been that dynamic
2:18:11
Speaker 3: going on.
2:18:11
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there's some of that dynamic going on.
2:18:14
Speaker 2: And fine, if you can't get seven million per school,
2:18:17
Speaker 2: but less than two Yeah, if when the reconstituted, if
2:18:24
Speaker 2: you reconstituted Pac twelve school, if a school.
2:18:27
Speaker 1: That everyone already decided to leave out.
2:18:29
Speaker 2: Of the party is getting more than you are as
2:18:32
Speaker 2: a conference. By the way, as far as I know,
2:18:36
Speaker 2: reading what I read about UNLB and about Washington State,
2:18:41
Speaker 2: it's for the jersey.
2:18:42
Speaker 3: It's not for the field, and it's not for the
2:18:45
Speaker 3: basketball floor. So it's not they're not going to have
2:18:48
Speaker 3: the Monster logo on the field. They are, no, no, no, no,
2:18:52
Speaker 3: oh okay, I'm saying ripple yeah, yeah, okay. It's just
2:18:56
Speaker 3: as far as we know, it's just the jersey patch
2:18:58
Speaker 3: for that money, also the field and not Also we're
2:19:02
Speaker 3: expected to be calling the season the Big twelve Monster
2:19:06
Speaker 3: Energy Football Season.
2:19:08
Speaker 1: Knock it off? Yeah, and the basketball that way.
2:19:11
Speaker 2: Do you realize that every official email we get from
2:19:14
Speaker 2: the conference this year, James, here's the players of the
2:19:17
Speaker 2: week in the conference.
2:19:18
Speaker 1: Here's what's happening for the championship game.
2:19:21
Speaker 2: Guess what that championship game is going to be called, James,
2:19:23
Speaker 2: The Monster Energy Big twelve Championship.
2:19:26
Speaker 1: Game presented by WWE it's for.
2:19:29
Speaker 2: Twenty million dollars total. That's a huge amount of money
2:19:33
Speaker 2: if it's your personal salary. When you're dividing it up
2:19:36
Speaker 2: among sixteen schools, you brett, your mark have devalued your
2:19:40
Speaker 2: own conference because now, okay, this is where Crimson Brand Partners,
2:19:46
Speaker 2: the expertise that you bring in from the ultro capital
2:19:48
Speaker 2: side of things, right, they keep telling us this. It's
2:19:51
Speaker 2: not just a capital infusion, it's expertise. Your first opportunity
2:19:56
Speaker 2: to get a big victory and to convince fans that
2:19:59
Speaker 2: you are worth it, that this deal is worth It
2:20:01
Speaker 2: happens right here with the Jersey sponsors. You know why,
2:20:05
Speaker 2: because you have to go out and you have to
2:20:07
Speaker 2: sell a Jersey sponsor to go opposite. I assume the
2:20:10
Speaker 2: Monster Energy Big twelve logo, and you have to convince
2:20:14
Speaker 2: whatever that company is that it's worth five million dollars,
2:20:18
Speaker 2: even though Monster Energy got that and more for one
2:20:22
Speaker 2: million dollars. Okay, Crimson Brand Partners, marketing experts partners there.
2:20:29
Speaker 2: You want to convince every Utah football fan you have
2:20:33
Speaker 2: nothing to fear with this private equity deal. Go out
2:20:36
Speaker 2: and get a big fat number on the Maverick gas
2:20:40
Speaker 2: stations the Pixar jersey patch on the Crumble. Go to
2:20:46
Speaker 2: the Crumble cookie guy, I don't care where you get it.
2:20:48
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's going to be. Pied Pizzeria
2:20:52
Speaker 2: right there on the shoulder. Get a bunch of money
2:20:55
Speaker 2: for it, and then all of us will be like, oh,
2:20:57
Speaker 2: these guys know what they're.
2:20:58
Speaker 1: Doing, and call again. Script on the jersey there, cull again.
2:21:02
Speaker 1: It's a great one.
2:21:03
Speaker 2: Everyone loves clean, delicious, filtered water, especially youts like you
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Speaker 2: know how hard it makes.
2:21:12
Speaker 3: So it'll be America First Credit Union for they'll they'll
2:21:15
Speaker 3: get their name on another another sports property.
2:21:18
Speaker 2: Like Brett Yormark is effectively telling his member institutions, Hey,
2:21:23
Speaker 2: by all means, I want you to go out and
2:21:25
Speaker 2: get your own sponsorship. But just so you know, we
2:21:28
Speaker 2: are setting the price over here at just over a
2:21:31
Speaker 2: million dollars for this branding. And now if I am
2:21:36
Speaker 2: filling the blank company that wants to get in bed
2:21:39
Speaker 2: with Utah Football, with BYU Football for that matter, I'm going, well,
2:21:44
Speaker 2: Monster Energy got a logo on your field and on
2:21:47
Speaker 2: your patch for a million bucks, you want how much
2:21:52
Speaker 2: out of me for the same thing, I'll give you
2:21:55
Speaker 2: a two million because I'm a byu alum, and I
2:21:57
Speaker 2: love you. I'll give you two point five because man,
2:22:01
Speaker 2: I have all these great memories of sitting at right
2:22:04
Speaker 2: Cycle Stadium with my dad, and I own this company.
2:22:06
Speaker 2: Now like you have, you have devalued the actual advertise.
2:22:13
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, you can buy a billboard on the
2:22:17
Speaker 2: side of our building, right here in front of us, James,
2:22:20
Speaker 2: right here outside of our student You can buy a
2:22:22
Speaker 2: billboard on the side of our building. Okay, I'm gonna
2:22:25
Speaker 2: sell it to you for a million dollars and then
2:22:28
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go try to sell it to somebody else
2:22:30
Speaker 2: for six.
2:22:32
Speaker 1: What are you doing, Brett or Mark.
2:22:36
Speaker 2: It's so it's so frustrating because it's a great idea
2:22:42
Speaker 2: and this innovation and this like, let's take the first step,
2:22:45
Speaker 2: let's do this. You're just you're putting everything up for sale,
2:22:50
Speaker 2: you know how, You're the laughing stock of college football
2:22:55
Speaker 2: instead of being like innovative partnership adding value to the conference.
2:23:00
Speaker 1: That's what he thought the reaction was going to be.
2:23:03
Speaker 1: He stood up on that.
2:23:04
Speaker 2: Damn podium and he said the Monster Energy Big twelve
2:23:09
Speaker 2: Football Media Days, getting ready for the Monster Energy Big
2:23:12
Speaker 2: twelve Football season, and everyone's just like, whoa he really Okay,
2:23:16
Speaker 2: I hope this is a lot of money and it
2:23:17
Speaker 2: just isn't you know what all the brand branding experts
2:23:22
Speaker 2: said the value for a power for When UNLV made
2:23:25
Speaker 2: their announcement, they said, oh, UNLV got two plus million
2:23:29
Speaker 2: dollars for the Jersey patch. Based on where UNLV is
2:23:33
Speaker 2: at and comparing them to where like Ohio State is at,
2:23:37
Speaker 2: we think that these Jersey patches could be worth as
2:23:39
Speaker 2: much as twelve million dollars per year per school at
2:23:43
Speaker 2: the top of the P four level. And Brett Yormark said,
2:23:47
Speaker 2: uh uh uh, it's actually worth one one point twenty
2:23:50
Speaker 2: five million? Are you said twelve? There wasn't a decimal
2:23:54
Speaker 2: point there at one point two is what I thought
2:23:57
Speaker 2: I heard. And by the way, all of our like
2:24:03
Speaker 2: the athletic directors, the coaches, the players, have to take
2:24:07
Speaker 2: the company line. Yeah, and I have to sit there
2:24:10
Speaker 2: and say, I think, you know, it's great, it's a
2:24:11
Speaker 2: value add Yeah.
2:24:13
Speaker 1: Okay, technically yes it's not. That's not a false statement. Yeah, but.
2:24:21
Speaker 2: Idaho could get a million dollars a year for their
2:24:23
Speaker 2: jersey patch. Crimson brand partners, I wish you luck because
2:24:32
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve undermined your ability to ask top dollar.
2:24:36
Speaker 2: But if you've got the expertise that we think you
2:24:39
Speaker 2: might have, go out and get some money for that thing.
2:24:42
Speaker 3: Well, and there's one thing I'll just say this, There's
2:24:45
Speaker 3: one thing that that Utah and BYU have an advantage
2:24:50
Speaker 3: of over most of the rest of the conference is
2:24:53
Speaker 3: that they play in an area with other with major
2:24:59
Speaker 3: league pro sports teams, like the NBA has had jersey
2:25:02
Speaker 3: patches for it was it's the seventh eighth ninth season
2:25:05
Speaker 3: that we've had that the NBA has had a jersey patch.
2:25:09
Speaker 3: They can go to, they can make a phone call
2:25:11
Speaker 3: to Smith Entertainment Group and be like, Okay, what do
2:25:14
Speaker 3: you ask for that? What's the how does an NBA team?
2:25:19
Speaker 3: How much does NBA team value the jersey patch? And
2:25:23
Speaker 3: they can and and how do you you know, if
2:25:26
Speaker 3: you whatever, you're willing to tell us about how you
2:25:28
Speaker 3: go about making that sales pitch any any way you
2:25:32
Speaker 3: can help us. Hopefully that helps them make up for
2:25:37
Speaker 3: the disadvantage that right, your Mark and the Big Twelve
2:25:40
Speaker 3: Conference has given them here with but with severely undervaluing
2:25:44
Speaker 3: their conference.
2:25:45
Speaker 2: Okay, I am clicking on a monster Energy contact form,
2:25:52
Speaker 2: and I'm going to send my sternly worded email to
2:25:55
Speaker 2: Monster Energy demanding that a special exemption be given to
2:26:00
Speaker 2: the University of Utah to where their jersey patches can
2:26:04
Speaker 2: have a red, a black, or a white.
2:26:08
Speaker 1: Monster m It's a reasonable request.
2:26:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know what I think Monster Energy and
2:26:16
Speaker 2: all their delightful promo models are going to agree.
2:26:18
Speaker 1: With me, all right.
2:26:21
Speaker 3: And you know the on the field at Rice Cycle
2:26:25
Speaker 3: Stadium and Court Huntsman Center other places. Yeah, green that
2:26:33
Speaker 3: it would feel much better if at least it wasn't
2:26:36
Speaker 3: green clashing with almost every school in the in the
2:26:39
Speaker 3: conference not named Baylor basically, and.
2:26:42
Speaker 1: Even Baylor is like, it's a different color green.
2:26:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole point of the green is it's
2:26:48
Speaker 2: like a green that stands out.
2:26:49
Speaker 1: It's like a lime. It's like a neon limes screaming
2:26:54
Speaker 1: at you. Green. It's like horror movie green.
2:26:57
Speaker 3: Oohs the ooze from here we go obscure me movie
2:27:01
Speaker 3: reference the ooze from Ninja Turtles too.
2:27:04
Speaker 2: Ninja Turtle Oozgreen does not look good on by U's
2:27:09
Speaker 2: royal blue uniforms and Utah's crimson jerseys.
2:27:14
Speaker 1: Cincinnati is mostly like black on their jerseys, right, Yeah,
2:27:18
Speaker 1: they're red and black.
2:27:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's primary jersey is black and then of course white.
2:27:23
Speaker 2: That's fine, a little bit less.
2:27:27
Speaker 1: It just drives me crazy. I love that.
2:27:31
Speaker 3: In the interview with Mark Harlan, which you can get
2:27:33
Speaker 3: on ESPN seven or sports dot com, I love that.
2:27:36
Speaker 1: You you said that's gross or whatever, that's horrific. That's horrific.
2:27:42
Speaker 3: After he said, after he made the very logical statement
2:27:46
Speaker 3: of like, hey, if we were selling Utah's logo and
2:27:49
Speaker 3: someone said we wanted we we love it a you,
2:27:52
Speaker 3: we love the U, we love the interlocking you Drummond feather, whatever,
2:27:55
Speaker 3: but can we make it green instead of red?
2:27:58
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, absolutely not.
2:28:00
Speaker 3: I mean it's a very logical statement by Mark carl
2:28:03
Speaker 3: And there that's horrific.
2:28:04
Speaker 2: Okay, Monsterenity, this is why Monster Energy is going to
2:28:07
Speaker 2: listen to me. Because you remember James. You don't remember
2:28:10
Speaker 2: if you're my age, you remember a time when uh,
2:28:13
Speaker 2: you know, the New York Yankee. Because of music videos
2:28:16
Speaker 2: with like Biggie and Mace and now the now Disgrace
2:28:22
Speaker 2: P Diddy, it was very popular for people to wear
2:28:27
Speaker 2: New York Yankees hats that were every color except for
2:28:31
Speaker 2: navy m I've seen the red around. Yeah, yeah, they
2:28:35
Speaker 2: make they have, They had them in like late nineties.
2:28:38
Speaker 2: You could get it in red, pink, green, yellow, orange.
2:28:44
Speaker 2: It was very It was a popular thing, right The Yankees,
2:28:49
Speaker 2: the New York Yankees were willing to be like, it
2:28:51
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be blue as long as we can
2:28:53
Speaker 2: sell it Monster Energy. You should feel the same way.
2:28:56
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be green as long as you
2:28:59
Speaker 2: can sell it. Ah, thanks a lot, Brett Yormark. Get
2:29:04
Speaker 2: him on the show, James, give him a call right now.
2:29:07
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:29:07
Speaker 3: The other thing that we need to get Brett Yormark
2:29:11
Speaker 3: on for, apparently, is to ask him about Brendan Soresby,
2:29:13
Speaker 3: because apparently his only availability before the season is not
2:29:17
Speaker 3: the time to talk about Brendan Soresby, which is like
2:29:20
Speaker 3: grievance against that break you are.
2:29:21
Speaker 1: Also, he left media days early. Do you want to
2:29:24
Speaker 1: why he left media days early?
2:29:26
Speaker 2: I think because he thought it was going to be
2:29:28
Speaker 2: this great triumph and everyone's going to clap and welcome
2:29:31
Speaker 2: the announcement that he had sold the sponsorship rights to
2:29:34
Speaker 2: the to the conference.
2:29:35
Speaker 1: And then immediately after he announced it, everyone in.
2:29:38
Speaker 2: The whole world started laughing at him and laughing at
2:29:42
Speaker 2: his conference, and so he left media days. He ran
2:29:49
Speaker 2: because he didn't want to answer questions, Hey, shouldn't you
2:29:51
Speaker 2: have gotten more money?
2:29:54
Speaker 1: Shouldn't you have gotten like a decent amount of money here?
2:29:58
Speaker 3: And he probably knew he was gonna get more people
2:30:03
Speaker 3: and on radio row or whatever if he's stuck around
2:30:06
Speaker 3: asking so, I know you said, this isn't the time,
2:30:09
Speaker 3: but seriously tell us about bred and soorsby and when
2:30:13
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2:30:14
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Speaker 5: He was, he was.
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Speaker 1: He had an amazing moment there too.
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Speaker 3: When you're talking with Shehan, I believe and he he said,
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Speaker 3: hold on, Shahan took a sip of his Monster Energy
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Speaker 1: So that great job by both of you.
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Speaker 2: He also Spence also almost got Mark Harlan to make
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Speaker 2: a comment about analytics. God would again blaming the by
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Speaker 2: you lost on analytics. That would have been that that
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Speaker 2: would have been like you could retire for radio after getting.
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Speaker 3: This absolutely so Dan Patrick recently, or maybe it wasn't
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Speaker 3: all that recent, but he has talked about on his
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Speaker 3: show and other places about his goal as an interviewer
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Speaker 3: is to get the subject, the interviewee, the guests to
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Speaker 3: feel so comfortable that they don't even know that they're
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Speaker 3: reviewing something huge or saying something that's gonna make a
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Speaker 3: lot of waves, because they're they're just having a conversation, right,
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Speaker 3: And you almost did that with Mark Harlan as Spence check.
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Speaker 3: It's almost did and it would have been chef's kiss
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Speaker 3: because guy's not the coach anymore, so it's it's doesn't
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Speaker 3: you don't really have to worry about that guy being
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Speaker 3: so mad at you. But but Mark, Mark didn't fall
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Speaker 3: for it. He no commented you guys, which was which
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Speaker 3: was an incredible moment. By the way, we did get
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Speaker 3: an answer, Tim Duncan, he's the guy fifteen All NBA teams,
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Speaker 3: fifteen all defensive teams. The most remarkable thing about that
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Speaker 3: oc is that he never won Defensive Player of the Year.
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Speaker 2: That's pretty wild, actually, So you're just consistent all the time.
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Speaker 2: Morocco France kicking off right now we are nine seconds
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Speaker 2: into it, now ten eleven.
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Speaker 1: Enjoy that coverage.
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