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Chuck’s Commentary - Mamdani Wins The New York Primaries + RIP Alan Greenspan · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: a day after a primary night, and oh what a
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  Speaker 1: primary night it was. Have do we officially have a
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  Speaker 1: left wing tea party? Is that what has started as
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  Speaker 1: the DSA the Democratic Socialists of America, Have they become
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  Speaker 1: to the Democrats with the Tea Party beginning in twenty ten,
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  Speaker 1: became to the Republicans, which of course culminated into the
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  Speaker 1: nomination of Donald Trump by twenty sixteen. That's the open question.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to dig into that obviously in a few minutes.
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  Speaker 1: New York City being the center of the political universe
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday night. I also have a few other things.
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  Speaker 1: I also have my top five list, and this one.
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  Speaker 1: time to do a top five list that way. And then,
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  Speaker 1: of course a bunch of questions. But let's look, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as the movie said about last night, let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: last night. Obviously, the big story, as I previewed for
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  Speaker 1: you before, was we were trying to find out was
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  Speaker 1: Mam Donnie's election of Fluke or not. And I think
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  Speaker 1: we now know in New York City. It was no fluke.
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  Speaker 1: What you see happening in New York City is a
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  Speaker 1: new Democratic coalition, a new king in town. Right, it's
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  Speaker 1: the mom donni machine. He targeted three races and he
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  Speaker 1: went three and zero. You know, he did better than
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump did on Tuesday Night. Right, Donald Trump had
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  Speaker 1: to endorse two candidates in a two person race in
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  Speaker 1: order to get a victory in the South Carolina governor's race.
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  Speaker 1: That's not what Mamdanni did. He went out. He went
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  Speaker 1: out on a limb. In some case. He challenged the
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  Speaker 1: New York City Democratic establishment. He challenged sitting Democratic member
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  Speaker 1: of Congress and the chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
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  Speaker 1: He got behind somebody who was challenging the sitting borough
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  Speaker 1: president of Brooklyn. So this the folks that you know,
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  Speaker 1: and yes, this is New York City and it is not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not here to tell you I have no idea
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  Speaker 1: whether this is going to travel outside of New York City.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to be. That's a one hundred million dollar question,
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  Speaker 1: or a two hundred and eighteen House folk question, or
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  Speaker 1: a fifty Senate seat plus one question. Right, does the
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  Speaker 1: DSA travel positively or negatively outside of New York City.
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  Speaker 1: And we're going to get some new tests. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to there's a you know, probably the biggest test that
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  Speaker 1: the progressive left is going to take place in that
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  Speaker 1: Michigan Senate primary in early August. If you have, if
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  Speaker 1: you suddenly have a blue wave that elects a progressive
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  Speaker 1: senator in Michigan and Abdul al Sayed who was explicitly
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  Speaker 1: pretty anti Israel, and you have candidates that win that
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  Speaker 1: would be considered part of the squad sort of a
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  Speaker 1: progressive you know, the squad started out as four members
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  Speaker 1: and now suddenly it could be a twenty you know,
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  Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty member deep organization. And it was you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Freedom Caucus essentially was born out of the Tea
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  Speaker 1: Party and made governing when the Republicans were in charge
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  Speaker 1: quite difficult. The progressives have not put the Democratic leadership
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  Speaker 1: in the same vice scripts that the Freedom Caucus and
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  Speaker 1: some on the far right have done to the Republican leadership.
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  Speaker 1: I have a feeling that's about to change because remember
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  Speaker 1: where this happened. This happened in New York City, and
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party Congress is led not by one new
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  Speaker 1: York City Democrat, but by two New York City Democrats.
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  Speaker 1: One is Chuck Schumer, who clearly could not win. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what office he could win in New York
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  Speaker 1: City right now. Chuck Schumer, who was a member of
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  Speaker 1: Congress from the New York City delegation a ninth district forever.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a single Democratic primary he
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  Speaker 1: could win in New York City, whether it was for
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  Speaker 1: comptroll or whether it was for mayor whether it was
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  Speaker 1: for Congress, whether it was whether he could carry New
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  Speaker 1: York City in a Democratic center primary. It is clear
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  Speaker 1: that his that brand of the Democratic Party is persona
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  Speaker 1: agrada in New York City. When you look at the
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  Speaker 1: performance of a Dan Goldman in many ways is a
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  Speaker 1: very mainstream liberal Democrat is basically his Demerit is he's
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  Speaker 1: not anti Isray. And I say it that way because
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  Speaker 1: I find I, you know, I guess there are people
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  Speaker 1: that don't want is you know, Israel to exist on
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  Speaker 1: that front. But there are plenty of people who are
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  Speaker 1: pro Israel who are certainly not fans of the of
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  Speaker 1: the BB government. But that nuance gets lost in all
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  Speaker 1: of this stuff. Uh, And to some voters simply supporting
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  Speaker 1: any aid to Israel in a congressional vote is a
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  Speaker 1: bridge too far for them. So I look at a
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  Speaker 1: Dan Goldman's performance, uh, and it look on her in
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  Speaker 1: another world and another era. Dan Goldman is perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: air apparent to Chuck Schumer, not AOCI, But trust me,
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  Speaker 1: AOC is the air apparent to that Senate seed if
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  Speaker 1: she wants it. And I think the big thing, the
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  Speaker 1: big takeaway tonight ought to be that Chuck Schumer is
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  Speaker 1: not going to win an other election in New York.
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  Speaker 1: The question is whether he decides to run one more
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  Speaker 1: time in New York and and try to play that
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  Speaker 1: out given his long career. Given I don't Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I've given up trying to think logically about this. I
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  Speaker 1: think aging politicians are like aging athletes. They they cannot
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  Speaker 1: They don't think logically. They don't see around corners. They
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  Speaker 1: have to experience decline. They have to actually experience it.
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  Speaker 1: They have to experience the physical inability. Right, Serena Williams
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  Speaker 1: is going back out and played tennis one more time
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  Speaker 1: until father time says, no, you know, You're just not
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  Speaker 1: going to win these these these matches anymore Lebron James
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  Speaker 1: is not walking away next year. Not you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: going to just like it. Just the most successful athletes
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  Speaker 1: don't want to walk away, and the most successful politicians
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  Speaker 1: have a hard time walking away, right when they've done
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  Speaker 1: a lot over the years. They have a hard time
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  Speaker 1: walking away. Joe Biden, you know, still regrets walking away
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  Speaker 1: from that nomination. He does all but it says it.
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  Speaker 1: So should Chuck Schumer run now? Of course he shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: He should accept the gold watch. Democrats should thank him
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  Speaker 1: for his service. He has had a very successful career.
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  Speaker 1: He's been a very successful leader of the part. But
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  Speaker 1: as we know plenty of an aging politician has to
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  Speaker 1: wait till the voters kick him to occur. They don't
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  Speaker 1: want to go first. So I you know, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to presume, but I can tell you this
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  Speaker 1: after watching tonight, I don't see how he can win
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  Speaker 1: another election. That doesn't mean he doesn't attempt to run
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  Speaker 1: in another election. Then there's Akeem Jefferies. Akeem Jeffries had
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  Speaker 1: a bad night. Now. The good news for him is
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  Speaker 1: he made nice with Mam Donnie and Mam Donnie very
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  Speaker 1: quickly early on, in sort of a I think it
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  Speaker 1: was his own version of an olive branch with the
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  Speaker 1: establishment got a potential primary challenger to a quem Jeffries
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  Speaker 1: to back off because given what we saw tonight, would
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  Speaker 1: Jeffries have survived a primary? I you know, I'm I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna say the Brooklyn BP couldn't survive.
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  Speaker 1: The chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus couldn't survive. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and more importantly, he's gonna be on the
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  Speaker 1: ballot again in twenty eight as the sitting speaker, which means,
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  Speaker 1: assuming Democrats do win the House, and if they win
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  Speaker 1: the House, they're gonna he's gonna have a growing faction
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  Speaker 1: of democratic socialists who are not going to be If
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  Speaker 1: the faction is bigger than it was, and it looks
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  Speaker 1: like it's going to be bigger this time, they're gonna
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  Speaker 1: they're going to follow the look one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: why the progressive socialist movement, and I do think and
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  Speaker 1: I want to get to this, I think there's three
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  Speaker 1: buckets of Democrats at the moment. But you know, one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that was that you've you've seen is
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  Speaker 1: the rise of sort of this far right populist, nationalist politics,
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  Speaker 1: and the surprising success Trump has had in enacting some
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  Speaker 1: of that agenda and winning in places that I think
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  Speaker 1: we would have said ten years ago, oh, you can't
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  Speaker 1: go that far right and survive. Turns out, in most
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  Speaker 1: red places you can. And I think you have a
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  Speaker 1: progressive wing that says, Okay, if they can do it,
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  Speaker 1: we can do it. And we got to stop capitulating.
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  Speaker 1: They finally said totally establishment to pound sand. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they weren't going to rally around the next Romney anymore.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't going to rally around the next John McCain.
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  Speaker 1: They said, screw that. And I think that in many ways,
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  Speaker 1: the success of Trump, and it's to a point, and
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  Speaker 1: this would be the reminder I would say to my
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  Speaker 1: friend him Elat, but the perceived success of Trump, and
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  Speaker 1: I again I say perceives because what is it hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been a successful presidency. It's been a successful political movement,
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  Speaker 1: but not a successful presidency. It's been a failed presidency
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  Speaker 1: in many respects. But the movement's been successful. And I
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  Speaker 1: think the I think I think they the left has
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  Speaker 1: learned from the rights ability to to to make life
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  Speaker 1: miserable for the establishment in Washington. So I will be
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  Speaker 1: I think that this new faction of Democrats is everybody
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  Speaker 1: that won Tuesday night. They're not in danger of losing
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  Speaker 1: in the general. And in fact, the even you know,
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  Speaker 1: the one the one candidate, the one place where one
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  Speaker 1: of the losers has another ballot line New York has
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  Speaker 1: extra ballot lines. It is Reinoso in that open seat
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  Speaker 1: in the nitty of Alesiski. You know, he's he gets
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  Speaker 1: to keep his office as borough president, but he's got
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  Speaker 1: to work with Mom Donnie. He probably wants to keep that.
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  Speaker 1: I doubt he continues this fight. So there's going already
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  Speaker 1: going to be a bigger progressive coalition than there ever
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  Speaker 1: has been in the way that the Freedom Caucus extracted
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  Speaker 1: certain things before Johnson could get the votes to become speaker.
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  Speaker 1: I think this faction is going to learn a thing
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  Speaker 1: or two from the right about how to use your
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  Speaker 1: speaker vote as leverage, especially if the Democratic majority is
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  Speaker 1: under two hundred and thirty House seats, if essentially it's
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  Speaker 1: a nine to ten seat majority max. And when you
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  Speaker 1: look at this current political landscape, even in you know,
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  Speaker 1: there are more scenarios where Democrats win the House with
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  Speaker 1: less than a ten seat majority than there are that
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  Speaker 1: where Democrats win the House with more than a ten
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  Speaker 1: seat majority, and the smaller the majority, the more powerful
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  Speaker 1: the democratic socialists can become, and the more pressure that
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  Speaker 1: puts on a Keim Jeffers. Now this happened in his backyard, right,
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  Speaker 1: there was some progressive and socialist movements in San Francisco,
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  Speaker 1: but not like what we've seen in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: there are suddenly it's it's as if the closer he gets,
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  Speaker 1: the more obstacles are popping up in his road. Right,
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  Speaker 1: look like things are going great, and then Virginia gets
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  Speaker 1: remaps that go against him. Now like the fight for
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  Speaker 1: the House is now more of a knife fight than
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  Speaker 1: the polling indicates that it should be. But there just
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  Speaker 1: are just not enough competitive House seats for them to
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  Speaker 1: take a wave and win that twenty five thirty seat
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  Speaker 1: you know majority that a wave election normally would create.
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  Speaker 1: You know, now he has this disaster is showing for
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  Speaker 1: the establishment in New York City, which means he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be you know, yes, Democrats are still favored to
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  Speaker 1: win the House, but now his speakers vote becomes a
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  Speaker 1: pain in the ass. And now the the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the back door politicking. He's going to have to do
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  Speaker 1: both to protect his left flank and a New York
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  Speaker 1: City and a rising Mom Donnie controlled New York City,
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  Speaker 1: so he can't alienate Mom Donnie. So it's that this
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  Speaker 1: is this is really this has really changed. I think
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  Speaker 1: what the Democratic how the Democratic Party is going to
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  Speaker 1: govern if if the majorities are narrow and right now,
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  Speaker 1: I think the majorities are more likely to be narrow
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  Speaker 1: than baked in the House. And so these developments, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is a that we've We've been saying it for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, that there are these two factions of
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  Speaker 1: both parties that have outsized influence. It did seem as
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  Speaker 1: if the establishment Democrats had done a better job of
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  Speaker 1: co opting their left wing than the establishment Republicans did
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  Speaker 1: of co opting their right wing. I think it's fair
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  Speaker 1: to say that the days of Democrats co opting their
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  Speaker 1: left wing, at least in New York City, are gone.
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  Speaker 1: And the questions does this go outside of New York City.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have the big test. We have a test in
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  Speaker 1: Colorado next week. There are some interesting establishment Democrats that
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  Speaker 1: are going up against. Some are progressive, some are outsiders.
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  Speaker 1: Depends on what you want to, you know, have and
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  Speaker 1: you know Michael Bennett, you know, I think I think
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  Speaker 1: he thought it would be a glide path that the
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  Speaker 1: governor's mansion. He might not make it out of the primary.
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  Speaker 1: Now he's facing the city attorney general, who's really running
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  Speaker 1: a campaign of who's gonna go, who's confronting Trump? And
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  Speaker 1: why are you leaving Washington and not confronting Trump. I'm
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  Speaker 1: doing it out here. Why did you leave Washington to
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  Speaker 1: do it? Have Diana de Gett sitting member of Congress
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  Speaker 1: who's getting challenge from the left, very serious challenge, and
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  Speaker 1: John Hickenlooper is getting a challenge from the left. I
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  Speaker 1: suspect all of those challenges, you know, all of I
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  Speaker 1: don't think anybody's gonna win with sixty percent of the
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  Speaker 1: voter more and to get Hickenlooper or Bennett, and it's
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  Speaker 1: very possible Bennett could lose, could lose, and Hicklooper could
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  Speaker 1: get under fifty five. So that's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: test of this of this leftward movement. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's another question. This has done really well on the coasts. Right,
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be a socialist mayor of New York,
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  Speaker 1: of Washington, d C. Socialist mayor of New York City.
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  Speaker 1: The one of the two candidates in LA mayor right,
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  Speaker 1: one comes from the DFA side of the isle. So
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be so we know that this
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: plays in the coast. The question is can you have
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: success in a Midwestern state? Michigan will be an interesting test.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: The Democratic Senate primary is one thing. A general election
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: would be a whole other story there. And then after this, look,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I think it means, you know, this is obviously going
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to reshape the Democratic primary in twenty twenty eight, right,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: there is no doubt that the progressive left is going
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: to feel emboldened. And you know, I don't think you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: will have an actual socialist Democratic nominee. I don't think
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the DSA is going to be able to be that powerful,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: that impactful that quickly. But if you're if you look
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: at sort of is a Democratic party now in three
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: buckets of voters or two buckets of voters? Right, if
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you thought about it as sort of the progressive left
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: versus sort of the establishment the pro business center, those
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: are two buckets. Are we now seeing this? Is there
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: a socialist progressive movement, a capitalist progressive movement? And then
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: a more pro business democratic movement. Are those your three buckets?
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: And if those are your three buckets, well, two thirds
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of those, you know, two thirds of those factions lean
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: to the progressives right, and so the likelihood that you're
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: going to get somebody that you know. It used to
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: be the rule of Democratic presidential primaries were whoever could
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: win the most delectable period. The rule in Republican primaries
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: was the most electable conservative. Right now they skew even
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: further to the right. I wonder now if the rule
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of if the rule for the Democratic presidential primary is
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: going to be who's the most electable progressive right, it
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: is going it is not going to necessarily be who
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: can who can do best with the center and with
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: with actual swing voters. It's who can fire up the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: progressive base. I'm not sure whether that math is correct.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I'm a tad skeptical of the math myself. I think
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the S word doesn't travel very in every state very well,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: and I certainly don't believe it travels in the Sun Belt,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and I think it's a very dangerous game Democrats are
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: playing with the S word in Sun Belt states in general.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Whether it's Arizona Georgia being the two most important of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the sun Belt swing states, but even even further even
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: than other states. But just because I might think there's
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: a math problem doesn't mean that isn't where the energy is.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And you know, mom down, he's had a pretty good
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: six months. You know, he hasn't run into any huge
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: obstacles yet, and they will, like, you know, look, some
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of this has been out of his control, right. He
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: can't enact some of his biggest ideas because a lot
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of that stuff comes from the state level. But man,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: he does the little things really well, right, and he
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: is I think he has proven he's no fluke. He's
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: pretty deft, is you know the next speech? You know
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: it that stuff matters. It's an intangible but it matters,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: you know. I've I I think I think he missed
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to to inoculate himself a bit by not
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: coming down stronger on on what happened in Congressman Goldman
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: at that coffee shop. You know, Brad Lander condemned all
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: this terrible rhetoric that was coming out against him on
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. Perhaps doing it sooner might have helped, But
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that is that is the uncomfortable truth that has risen up.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: This rise of democratic socialism on the left has come
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: almost intertwined with this rise of anti Semitism in the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: last and look, I think you should be allowed to
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: criticize Israel's politics without being called an anti semit But
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I also think if you're pro Israel, you shouldn't be
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: seen as somebody who's you know, basically, I've always thought
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: of being pro Israel as do you believe in the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: right of Israel's existence. And let's not forget there's plenty
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: of people in that region that do not want to
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: see Israel exist. And it's when the rhetoric slips there
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that it puts a lot of people in uncomfortable places,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable positions, not feeling politically homeless. And that's you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the rise of one power in New York City is
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: leaving another group of New York City Democrats that may
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: feel politically homeless. Now there some of you on the
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: left may say good, but guess what they vote to
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: and where are they going to go? Wherever they go,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it could become a force. Now this may and I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: think the open question in all of this, in the
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: mom Dannie moment that we're having here is does this
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: leave New York City? And the thing that I and
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I guess I will leave you with this, I'm I
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: do believe that this will This guarantees that you will
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: have a more leftward trajectory in the Democratic primary debate
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: in the presidential New York City culturally has an outsized
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: influence on things like that, and this is going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: have an outside indurst. The question of whether how much
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party nationally starts to embrace this shift to
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the left, I think depends on outcomes in some statewide
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: races this fall. You know, Canaday and Osborne win running
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: as a progress essentially as a progressive independent Nebraska, Ken
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Abdul Sayah else I had win in a statewide in
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the swingy Es state, one of the swing of states
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: in the Union in Michigan. Does a progressive end up
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the governor of Wisconsin. There's a big Democratic primary to
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: decide that. So we'll see what happens. I certainly, I
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: certainly now, given what the energy we're seeing on the left,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: more likely we'll have a progressive nominee for governor, not
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: not somebody that that the Chamber of Commerce of Milwaukee
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: will be happy with. So, you know, that's the that's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the open question in cities. This this rise in socialism
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: isn't going to go away anytime soon. In previous iterations,
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: when you've had these sort of liberal moments in the cities,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: they've usually died in the suburbs. And socialism, you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: democratic socialism, a big government idea, liberalism like that doesn't
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: always travel make it much further than the than the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: suburbs outside the suburbs. So but the fact is we're
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: in the it's look the Democratic Party, this realignment that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: has been roiling our politics. Democrats, for the most part,
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: have kept that realignment from totally reshaping their electorate and
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: reshaping their politics until now right, and I think it's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: clear that the contours are changing. The buckets of factions
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: here are changing, the leadership is changing, and the next
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: two years are going to be an interesting transition in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: where this party heads next. But there's a real fight
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: for the heart and soul of the Democratic Party, and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Mom Donnie has staked his claim and we're going to
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: find out. You know, the adage is if you can
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: make it there, you could make it anywhere. Well, Mom
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Donnie and socialism so far making it New York City.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Can it travel outside of New York City successfully? That's
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: going to be the test. I'll have more to say
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in a few of the other primaries, and we'll do
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: some more cleanup on this for the Thursday podcast. But
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I also should make by the way we were doing
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: our election live stream, Washington Wizards. You know, it's not
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: every day they get the first overall picked. The last
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: time the Wizards were at all relevant in the NBA
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: was the seventies, which is arguably the last time that
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the liberal wing of the Democratic Party was having its moments.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: So maybe the two things are going are going hand
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: in hand. But in all seriousness, I do want to
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: before I get to the interview with Mayor Hole, I
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: just want to take a few minutes to talk about
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: my friend Alan Greenspan and I just want to tell
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: you the person I know. There's plenty of obituaries to
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: read about him. You should read his books. Obviously, I
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: worked with Andrew Mitchell for nearly twenty years at NBC.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I consider Andrea one of my closest friends, and it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: been an incredible privilege to get to know Alan. Now
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I only Alan, and I only got to be buddies
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: in the last fifteen years of his life, and what
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a joy it was. We would meet for lunch almost
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: monthly for a period of time there pre COVID, we
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: did it quite a bit. It got harder after COVID
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and look, that got harder with
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. But before COVID, and it really
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: was a we were trading was getting. I was getting
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a essentially a private lesson on economics from the great
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Alan Greenspan, and he was picking my brain about politics.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: He was fascinated by what was happening with the political realignment.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing about Alan is he was, at
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, he was just another data
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: nerd like the rest of us. And I think the
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: shift of election analysis from vibes to data was I
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: wish it had happened about twenty years sooner, and I
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: think Alan would have left the FED and become kornacky.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: He loved Look, the man always grounded his points of
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: view and data. Period. He certainly had his own political views.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: He certainly had his own you know. I think he's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: one of the few actual libertarians that served that high
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: up in any sort of office. That we've had in
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: this country. But he was data driven. He was always
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: just obsessed with what is the data saying. He wasn't
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: wish casting the data. He was just absorbing. And you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: we'd have these we'd have these monthly get togethers. He'd
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: have these new charts out that he'd just put together,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: analysis that he'd done, sort of letting me know what
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: was coming around the corner here. And you know, it's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: sort of frankly, just showing me how he forecast it.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You know, how is it that you knew well, in
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: six months given what I'm seeing here now, we think
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: in six months we'll probably have to do this with
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: interest rates. And here's why, because in this sector we're
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: seeing this slow down or we're seeing not enough seeing
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: inputs over here. It was, it was. It gave me
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: an entirely new appreciation for economic data in general, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: certainly a lot more. I already had a lot of
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: respect of what the Fed's job was and is, but
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: it was it was like the other part is, you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Allan's been a part of some credible political history. You know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: he was you know, there was a brief period where
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan was going to have Gerald Ford as his
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: running mate nineteen eighty. Basically, you were The idea was
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: two presidents for the price of one, and Greenspan was
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: one of the intermediaries there. He's pretty close with Ford.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: He worked in the Ford administration. He was pretty close
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: with Dick Cheney, and it was just fun to get
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: his side of the stories and all of these pieces
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: of history. And look, I'm not going to share all
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: of all of his thoughts there. Those are his thoughts.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Whatever he chose to share in a book is one thing.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: You know, what he told me our friendship was our friendship.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: But I just you know, for a lot of you,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: he was a two dimensional figure, and I get it,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, and many of you may lionize and
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: respect him, and you know, and others may say, oh,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you know, he should have done this. You know, hindsight
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: on FED decisions is always, you know, the easiest place
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to easiest place to come from and criticize. But it
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: was a treat to know the three dimensional human being
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that was Alan Greensman. And he was a gentleman's gentleman.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: He adored his wife, the way he looked up, the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: way I'd watch him look at Andrea. When we'd be
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: at dinners, he looked up to her, he admired her,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: and she looked up to him, and she admired him,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and it was It's a great love story. I'm I'm
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: glad to have known them together. And you know, I
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: just I cherish those few years I got to have
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: where we were just lunch buddies, trading intel, him tutoring
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: me on economics, and me, I'm not tutoring Alan Greenspan
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: on anything, but you know, me letting him know whatever,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: whatever new cool item I think I'm seeing that I
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: think he should be aware of. But you know, he
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: was a gentle soul and he was a gentleman in
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: every sense of the word, and he lived a remarkable life. Alan,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I'm in a mission, and Andrea, I'm thinking about you.
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  Speaker 1: Top top Fine Top. As you know, my top five
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  Speaker 1: So with that, you know, the other day my daughter
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  Speaker 1: told a friend of hers that, oh, yeah, my dad's
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  Speaker 1: a political influencer, and I cringed. I said, what the
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: hell does that mean? Right influencer? I said, I guess
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: you could say. You know, George Will was the important
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  Speaker 1: influencer of my father back in the seventies and eighties,
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  Speaker 1: he bought all his books and read all his columns.
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  Speaker 1: I just viewed George Will as a columnist and an analyst,
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  Speaker 1: and the platform of his of where he espoused his
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  Speaker 1: views was usually a newspaper, magazine or a Sunday show.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: These days, the venues change. But I don't think what
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: people like George Will er myself for trying to do
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: or anything any different. But anyway, the point is is
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: that I think what we used to call columnists we
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: now call influencers. And as somebody who has written a
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: column for thirty years, we're all aware of the occasional
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: news crutch, meaning there's something happening in the news and
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and lean on it as a crutch, maybe
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: because you don't have a unique topic this week to tackle. Now,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say I don't have unique topics.
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  Speaker 1: I think every week I have great top five lists.
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  Speaker 1: I think this. I thought I wanted it as zag
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. It is. We're getting close to the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: fourth of July, and with the reflecting pool in the news,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know, it's a good time for me
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: to roll out the following top five. You know, In fact,
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  Speaker 1: people ask me, if you've got somebody visiting Washington for
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the first time, where do you take them? And it's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: a great question for me, because guess what I do
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: have my own. I call it the death tour, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I mean this in the best sense of the word.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I think, are the best memorials in Washington, the best
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: tour stops in Washington. As great as some of the
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: museums are, and as great as some of the big
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: memorials are, it's this sort of death tour that I'm
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: going to describe that I think is the most impactful
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and really does give you a sense of a sense
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: of history more than just visiting a landmark. So that's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: my top five list, which does not include the Reflecting Pool,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the Washington Monument, or the Lincoln Memorial, the Jeffson Memorial.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: And this is no knock on those, but I'll tell
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: you the single greatest way to see those memorials is
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: a way that I've seen a thousands of times, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: it never gets old to me. In an airplane as
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: you're coming in getting ready to land at Nashville. That
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: never gets old to me every time. I still can't
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: believe there is no other frankly landing like it. You know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: New York City to me pales in comparison. Yes, when
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: you land at LaGuardia, if you crane your neck on
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the left, you can see the Manhattan Skyline, and it's
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: that's if you've never seen it, it can be impressive.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Ones for some reason, I'm it never gets old to me.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: The DC Skyline, if you will, Let's hope it doesn't
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: get ruined with new ideas by the current administration. But
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: that DC Skyline, the Capital Dome, the Washington Monument, and
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: the Lincoln Memorial. That line there, in some ways better
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: to see from an airplane than actually see up close.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: It's more powerful from a little bit of distance like
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: that than it is up close. So this is no
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: knock on those But when you're visiting me, and I'm
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: taking you on this tour for the first time, we're
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: not going to those places. We may accidentally bump into
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: those areas, but we don't. We don't go to those
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: places as a destination. So before I to the top life,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: one more thing I want to get out there. There
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: is one honorable mention that didn't make my top five,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: and it simply didn't make my top five out of
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: for geographical reasons, and it's Mount versus Mount Vernon. Look honestly,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: on impact alone, it belongs in the top five. I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: love Mount Vernon, I love I mean, and it is
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: extraordinary what they've been doing to it as what it is.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: But I'm leaving it off because it's really not a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: part of a typical day in what if you're touring Washington,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: you have to make a conscious decision to go to
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Mount Vernon. It's a destination unto itself. It can be
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: a thirty to forty five minute drive of traffic sucks,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and once you're there, you want to stay there. You know,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: it's a day trip. And if you've never been, go
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: just trust me, go go go. Whatever your politics, whatever
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: your views on the founding fathers, George Washington's life story
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: is still one of the most remarkable stories in our history.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Mount Vernon does a tremendous job telling it. They've now
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: got a library that's connected with it, that's run by
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: a terrific historian who I love, who's been on this
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: podcast before, and all of that. And I'll tell you,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: if you go to Mount Vernon, take the boat across
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the Potomac and go that way. It's a little bit longer,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: but you know, you could see yourself how impossible it
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: would be to throw a silver dollar from George Washington's
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: house across the Potomac. So for the purposes of this list, though,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I'm keeping it to places you can experience as part
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: of an actual Washington, DC visit one day. This is
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: my tour, so here we go. Number five on my
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: list is the only memorial to World War One, the
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: District of Columbia's World War One memorial. Most people don't
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: even know it exists. In fact, many people stumble across
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: it accidentally. It's tucked away in the National Mall, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't have the scale of the newer memori oris,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: it's actually pretty easy to miss. You just sort of
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: walk by it and go. It looks like, you know,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: somebody accidentally left a piece of a monument somewhere. It's
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: like a miniature Jefferson or a miniature you know, sort of.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: It's oval, so it's easy to miss. But it's kind
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: of what I like about it, and it in some
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: ways it sadly correctly frames how this country remembers World
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: War One not well, and it isn't even a national memorial.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: It's technically a city memorial. It's a local one. It's
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: the city's memorial to the Washingtonians who served in World
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: War One. And yeah, there's something refreshing about it. And
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I'm all filled with monuments to presidents, wars, and national movements.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: This memorial reminds you that Washington is still a city.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: It's a community in and of itself and has been
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: for decades. It's a place where ordinary people lived ordinary
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: lives before history threw them into something to have to
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: do something extraordinary, like fighting behalf this country overseas in Europe.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: So it is the only memorial national memorial on the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: mall to World War One, and it happens to be
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: a local memorial. So that's number five in my list
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: and one I always want to make sure people do
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: not overlook Number four. It's all part of my little
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: walking tour here. It's on Constitutional Avenue. It's the Albert
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Einstein Memorial. Now, when I first moved to Washington, I
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: found the Einstein Memorial to be one of the city's
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: best kept secrets. It's this enormous bronze Einstein's statue of
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Einstein sitting outside the National Academy of Sciences, and it's
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: almost playful. It's oversized. It's almost like a caricature of Einstein.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: He looks exactly the way you want him to look.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: The hair is everywhere, it's frazzled, right, And that's what
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: makes it so much fun. And it was buried behind
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: bushes for a long time when I was in college,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: so nobody even you couldn't see it from the road.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: You couldn't see from the street. Now you can actually
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: see it from Constitution Avenue. It's not you can see it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: You don't accidentally walk by it as a tourist and
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: miss it. Tourist, you stood just miss it left and right.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: They might get off at Foggy Bottom, start walking towards
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the National Mall and literally be walking next to it
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: and not see it. They finally towards these bushes down,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: but I kind of wish they hadn't. Let's just say
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: in college it was a great place to hang out.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I'll let you decide what you did at the Einstein
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Memorial after midnight when you were in college, but nobody
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: saw you. So it was one of a fun little
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: place to I always thought of it as a really
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: great secret, and to this day kids can climb it,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: adults take pictures, people sit and linger. It's exactly frankly,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it's exactly what you would envision what Einstein would have
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: wanted a memorial to him to be. And of course
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: it's something a little bit different. Right, You're used to
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: everything being so somber about Washington, and this is a
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: playful memorial, if you will, And it's a memorial not
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: to power, not to politics, but ideas. Number three on
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: my list is Arlington Cemetery. Some of you may argue
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: this should be higher. Maybe you're right. I find it
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: to be an incredibly What I find interesting about it
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: is not just the two or three must see that
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: people go, the Tomb of the Unknown, uh or the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Kennedy Flame. It's kind of the accidental history that you
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: run into at Arlington Cemetery. And what do I mean
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: by Arlington Cemetery because you know, like you could go
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: to section sixty where right, you know, which is where
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: the most recent fallmen get buried, and you look at
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the dates and you start to see, oh that's Afghanistan.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a rack, Oh that's you know, they line
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: up right and you and it and it makes it,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: it makes it real, or you can go deep in
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: our history. There's another. You know, people go for the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Kennedy flame, but there's also the only president to serve
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. William Howard paft Uh is buried
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: at Arlington. There's this one section of Arlington and I
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: remember when I went to visit Kennedy, I was like, Hey,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: what's this section? And it just turned out to be
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the It was a section that had been where, you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: basically the more prominent people could get buried there if
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: they chose to, and you certainly had this entire section
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: of notable people. Robert McNamara, the former Defense secretary in
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: the Vietnam era, is buried there. Robert Todd Lincoln is
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: in section thirty. He's the only son of Abraham Lincoln
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to survive into adulthood. He of course was witnessed the
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: shootings of Garfield and was in the city of Buffalo
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: when McKinley was shot, and of course was at his
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: dad's bedside. A weirdly unique, sort of forced Gump type
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: of history. George Marshall is buried at Arlington. Lave Font,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: who was one of the Designers of Washington d C. Well,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: he's buried in Arlington Cemetery, so there's a lot of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: history in Arlington Cemetery that isn't just the one or
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: two landmarks people say have to become destinations. It's someplace
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that I think you can get lost. It's a great walk,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it's an exercise. It's pretty hilly. There's definitely a lot
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: of walking, but you know, it's funny. You will leave
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Arlington feeling smaller than when you arrive.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: But.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: In some ways it makes you feel good. Number two
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: of my list is Korean War Memorial. I honestly think
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: this is the most underrated memorial in Washington. Nobody comes
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: to town to say, well, I've got to see the
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Korean War Memorial. But then they get there and suddenly
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: they're standing among those soldiers that are moving through this field.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: The expression on the face is the sense of motion
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: that this memorial gives, the feeling that you're not looking
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: at history, but you're actually walking through it. You get
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: just a small sense of what kind of war it
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: was in Korea. You're like kind of walking in these
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: ice patties, and it's it could at night. It's very
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: haunted and what's interesting, whenever I've taken people there, they
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: don't really They're like, oh yeah, I forgot we did
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: something on Korea. And then they go there and they
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: linger a lot longer than they ever thought they would,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: and it leaves a deeper impression. It's funny, it's it's
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: the success of the to me, of the Korean War
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: memorial and sort of doing what you want a memorial
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: to do, to make people think a little bit longer
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: about something that they maybe perhaps had, really sort of
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: showcases the emptiness that I think La Mall has when
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: it comes to World War One, which is why I
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: singled out the DC memorial on that one. And of
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: course it brings me to number one because it's the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Vietnam Veterans Memorial. To me, it's it's close, it's close
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: to being the most perfect memorial ever come up, ever
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: to have anybody come up. It's not just a war memorial,
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: it's simply a memorial, right, And here's my advice if
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: you visit, don't just look at the wall. Find and
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it is, find somebody. If it's not you who's looking
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: for a name, find somebody who's making an etching right
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: when they find the name that they're looking for and
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: strike up a conversation. Ask them to tell you their story.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Because that's the amazing thing about the Vietnam Memorial is
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: that everybody who visits comes there intentionally and there's a
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: story that they want to tell. Maybe it's a story
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to tell their son or daughter, maybe it's a story
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: that they just want to remember about a sibling, about
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: a parent. But everybody there is their own tour guide
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and they will happily tell you their story. But it
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: is a remarkable thing when you go and visit and
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: you see people getting the etchings. It's just everybody that
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: visits has a connection. Everybody has a reason. It's if
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: a memorial can be quote unquote successful, well then this
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: one is wildly successful. It does what you want a
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: memorial to do. It makes you remember, it makes you think,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: makes you contemplate, and it certainly is gonna If you
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: walk away with dry eyes, then I question your own
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: personal humanity. But it is an amazing memorial. So look,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: while you're doing all that, you may run into the
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: reflecting pool. You may run into the Lincoln Memorial. You
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: may run into the World War II Memorial. You may
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: run into the Washington Monument. Those are all fine memorials,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: and there's certainly plenty of postcards of those memorials. Do
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: my tour guide, do my five? Do that top five?
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: If that's your day in Washington, that's your one day,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: and you can set aside an entire day. It's a
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: nine am to a five pm day, all right, Then
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: you will have seen the Washington memorials that I think
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: had the biggest impact and provide you with the richest
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: stories and visuals to take home and pass on to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: your friends and family. So I don't know what Trump's
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: going to keep going with the reflecting pool, and he
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: just wants a photo op for July fourth, But these
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: memorials belong to all of us. So get out there
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: and enjoy them. And if you're looking for a if
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: you're looking for a guide, I can't always I can't
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: guarantee that I'll be there, but at least I can
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: leave you my top five list and you can play
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: it as you go along. All right, let's do some questions.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I figured that was the top five list you could
• 53:50
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• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that's why, That's why I thought it would be a
• 54:02
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• 54:05
  Speaker 1: wanted something. I wanted something a little different, you know, yeah, yeah,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and we'll switch it up. And I was like, maybe
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I should wait a week, and I'm like, no, refucking poles.
• 54:17
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• 54:22
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• 54:26
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• 54:29
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• 54:35
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• 54:36
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  Speaker 1: realistic or more speculation? And more broadly, how much do
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  Speaker 1: you think voter memory or lack of it could shape
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  Speaker 1: the mid terms. Thank you, Jacob from Tacoma, Washington. Well,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: you know, I want to tackle both of those questions
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  Speaker 1: at it. The actuary tables are what they are. His
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: health is what it is. He does not seem healthy.
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  Speaker 1: This is a job that is filled with stress. It
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: ages everybody the health. The last two of our healthiest
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• 57:58
  Speaker 1: had a couple of vices that they were both overcoming
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: over the years. You know, Bush was overcoming alcoholism. He
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: wasn't drinking obviously when he was president, and Obama was
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: trying to stop smoking constantly, and he is the nicorette
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: teeth to prove it type of thing. But beyond that,
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  Speaker 1: they led very healthy lives and they tried to stay
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: in shape. And guess what, the gray hair came for
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: them too. So the point is Donald Trump doesn't have
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: any workout routines, doesn't eat very healthy, clearly has had
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: some health issues that are impacting him. He doesn't stand
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: very long. It's very hard for him to have standing events.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: You see almost constantly. Now his photo ops are seated.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: It was rare. The other day we saw him with
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the holon the umbrella. So you're asking me a question
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that I'm not his doctor. None of us are. And
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: you know, once you hit eighty, he's eighty. Now you
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: know this is once you're eighty. You know, when you
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: see that in an obituary, the first thing in your
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: head is never too soon, Right, You're always like, oh,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: they lived a full life. Eighty is the beginning of
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: they lived a full life. In fact, I think that
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: is something that has changed from the seventies to the eighties.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I say this to somebody in their fifties.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I can tell you now when somebody dies in their
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: fifties or sixties, the first thing you hear is, well,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: that's too soon. And I think more and more now
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you're seeing that with people that pass away in their seventies.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: Eighty is I think the consensus where nobody's going to disagree. Oh,
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: that's not that you didn't get a chance to live
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: your full your full life. That doesn't mean you're not sad.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: You know, I've spent some time earlier this podcast talking
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: to you about my friend Alan Greenspan by the way,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: you know, a friendship that didn't begin until he was
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: eighty five, and I was I was in my early forties.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: But that doesn't make me any less that I know
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: he got to live a full life. I'm still sad
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: my grandmother died at ninety. So don't I don't want
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: you to. I don't want people to read in anything
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: I just said about. Yeah, but but let's be realistic
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: when you see that, right. So the point being is
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: at this point, you know, it's it's up to mother
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: nature and actuary tables. I don't think. I mean, if
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you want to get nefarious here, there is a if
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: he were really trying to gain the Constitution and wanted
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to essentially get a third term,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: well then there is you know, there is some bizarre
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: path he could take, which would involve resigning before the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: mid terms, after the election, but before the new Congress
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: has worn in, and he would have to get confirmed
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: as the sitting vice president by then. Anyway, there there
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  Speaker 1: is a and I'm not sure it's constitutional, but it's
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  Speaker 1: the loop. It's a one loophole that I could see
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  Speaker 1: someone in trying to exploit. But it would involve him
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  Speaker 1: having to resign the presidency and getting reappointed as vice president,
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  Speaker 1: then running as the sitting vice president, essentially not being
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  Speaker 1: the puppet master to the sitting president. Now, I think
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  Speaker 1: the problem with that idea is you have to assume
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  Speaker 1: two things, One that this current Republican Senate would confirm
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  Speaker 1: a vice president Trump, and two that a president advance
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  Speaker 1: would take orders from a vice President Trump. But if
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  Speaker 1: you're asking me if he was trying to find a
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  Speaker 1: path to running for a one more term, the only
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  Speaker 1: one that would have a big leaf of constitutionality to
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  Speaker 1: it would only be if you resigned before serving the
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  Speaker 1: halfway mark of this term. Then I guess you could
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  Speaker 1: make the case cities kind of in the hasn't served
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  Speaker 1: his six and if he had assumed it as vice president.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's that that that could be the loophole
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  Speaker 1: he would try to exploit. But the point being is,
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  Speaker 1: I don't there's no other reason for him to resign,
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  Speaker 1: So to me, he you know, unless he were trying
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  Speaker 1: to do this convoluted way to keep himself as a
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  Speaker 1: viable potential nominee for twenty eight I don't see resignation
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  Speaker 1: on the table. I don't see impeachment. So the only
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: one of the way he leaves office early is if
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: mother nature comes calm, so his health is is out.
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  Speaker 1: I think that you know, in the circumstances that it happened,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: would probably impact what the political reaction would be. You know,
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  Speaker 1: natural causes versus unnatural causes are two very different ways
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  Speaker 1: that the public might react to something like this. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why it's such a It's probably an impossible thing
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  Speaker 1: to try to speculate about because there's just there's there's
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  Speaker 1: there's no simulating a lived experience and how and how
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  Speaker 1: reaction would be, like you know, this is This is
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  Speaker 1: why AI is never going to replace this. There's there's
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  Speaker 1: no simulating a hypothetical until it becomes rue. Now ask
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  Speaker 1: for your other question, because this I think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to presume something here and if I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: let me know. And of course this is what happens
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  Speaker 1: when I ask som right. But I'm going to presume
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  Speaker 1: that you're asking about if this economy is better in October,
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  Speaker 1: are people going to forget how bad the economy was
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  Speaker 1: for them?
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  Speaker 2: This?
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  Speaker 1: You know, this sort of this economy which is terrible.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't have money, but pretty good if you
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  Speaker 1: do have the ability to handle the inflation crystalism I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: delved into this, which is, you know, if gas is
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  Speaker 1: down to three dollars a gallon in October, will that
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  Speaker 1: help things? And the thing is is I think the
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  Speaker 1: problem that Trump has here and why I don't think
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  Speaker 1: the public is going to forget this, is that he intent.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he really manipulated this economy. He bent this
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  Speaker 1: economy to his will, right he tariff He created this
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  Speaker 1: tariff war, which had a huge impact on inflation. Obviously,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: the decision to go to war with the run and
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: handing the straight of horm mood control of the straight
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  Speaker 1: of horm moods to the Iranians really had a huge
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  Speaker 1: impact on the negative impact on the economy. And so
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  Speaker 1: his fingerprints are on it. You know, I think that
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  Speaker 1: he would recover faster if it were sort of outside
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  Speaker 1: events and there was a sense that well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in voters su indeed. But because his fingerprints are all
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  Speaker 1: over the sort of messy economy that working people feel
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  Speaker 1: like the working people are experiencing, I don't think this
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  Speaker 1: goes away right away. And the other thing is he
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: won't let it go right away. You know, he's going
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: to try to memory hold aro on, but is Iron
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: going to let him right? That's number one. And I'm
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: just you know, I'm just not convinced everything's going to
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  Speaker 1: bounce back as fast as he thinks it is. I
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: know our economy has been remarkably resilient, but this is
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  Speaker 1: still economy that is mostly humming on the consumption of
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  Speaker 1: the top ten to fifteen percent in this economy, the
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  Speaker 1: bottom seven eighty seventy to eighty percent, they're struggling to
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  Speaker 1: make ends meet. I don't see how that improves between
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  Speaker 1: now and October. So anyway, I made the assumption, Jacob,
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  Speaker 1: that you were asking kind of that economic question. All right,
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  Speaker 1: Daryl writes, and he says, hey, you answer your answer.
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  Speaker 1: I got to know one answered made me think of
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  Speaker 1: the big Lebowski, the idea that quote there's a man
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  Speaker 1: for every time in place. Ah, this is about history.
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  Speaker 1: Does a history make that man or this man make
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  Speaker 1: the history? Do you think certain political figures rise because
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  Speaker 1: they reflect where the country is at a given moment,
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  Speaker 1: rather than shaping it themselves. Curious how much you think
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  Speaker 1: leaders mirror the public versus lead it. Look I think.
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  Speaker 1: I think our politics are always the result of the
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  Speaker 1: inputs of the electorate, right, it is a reflection sometimes
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  Speaker 1: of who we want to be. I think the election
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  Speaker 1: of Obama was sort of like, yeah, we are different here,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to make sure. You know, no other
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  Speaker 1: Western democracy would have elected it somebody from its largest
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  Speaker 1: in its country to the presidency. Wouldn't have happened in
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: the UK, wouldn't have happen in France, okay, but the
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  Speaker 1: only country I could go and say that it's done
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  Speaker 1: in a democracy where they elected a minority to president.
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  Speaker 1: You can make a case in Peru when they elected
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  Speaker 1: somebody of Japanese descent, But for the most part, right
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  Speaker 1: what America didn't know it was incredibly unique for a
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  Speaker 1: Western democracy. Again, ask yourself, you know, perhaps perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: UK could do it, and you could say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: depending on its parliamentary system, but in those that truly
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: have national elections. So anyway, sometimes we're an aspirational electorate
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  Speaker 1: and sometimes we're a transactional electorate. Right. Sometimes it's your
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: station in life that determines whether you're going to vote
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  Speaker 1: aspirationally or transactional. I as i've as I accept the
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  Speaker 1: premise that I have the luxury to worry about aspirations
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  Speaker 1: more than transactions in the in the current situation that
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: I'm in. So that's probably why I over index on character,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: and I over index on frankly, institutions and systems and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: the need for rule of law. So but to go directly, so, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I do think I think we we should not assume
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  Speaker 1: that our presidential candidates are outliers to who we are.
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe they are. And certainly our presidents are
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  Speaker 1: representative of a big chunk of a of at least
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  Speaker 1: a big faction of our culture. In fact, you don't
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  Speaker 1: win the presidency unless you have basically a majority of
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  Speaker 1: the country or half the country seeing something of themselves
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: in you, okay, whatever that is. And I think, frankly,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: with losing presidential candidates it's because, right, they couldn't connect. Right,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: you've heard that connect. What that really means is does
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  Speaker 1: the voter see themselves in you in some form or
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  Speaker 1: in them? And I think it's safe to say that
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't the case you know, with a Hillary Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a case with the John Carey, wasn't a case
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  Speaker 1: with Mett Romney. Right, that just weren't enough voters that
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  Speaker 1: saw that saw them themselves there, right, that whatever it was,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: it was that feeling they were just a little bit
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  Speaker 1: a little bit over there, a little bit from another
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  Speaker 1: another tribe, you know, not quite understanding the life I live.
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  Speaker 1: So I do so I think when you really look
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  Speaker 1: at it, and that is that our presidents, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's a chicken and egg argument, right.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Eisenhower really fits the fifties is because the
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: fifties were what they were, or Eisenhower was sort of
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: the certainly had the resume that meant the moment, right
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: type of thing, right, he was of the moment. So
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and you know, could Reagan have succeeded in the seventies
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  Speaker 1: or nineties, I don't know. Maybe maybe there's a reason
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  Speaker 1: he didn't get elected in the seventies. Maybe he was
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: to it was, you know, the message didn't work in
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  Speaker 1: seventy six, but the message worked more in eighty. So
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  Speaker 1: I you know, and Clinton now feels like the like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he fit the moment that we were in
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  Speaker 1: in this post Cold War when we were trying to
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  Speaker 1: basically get out from under our parents, right, you know,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: the Cold War generation felt like it was our parents
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: and grandparents running things and it was like it was
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  Speaker 1: time for the next generation to run things. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think I tend to believe that the reason and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: again I know that we recency biased historian types can
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: do this, which is we can conflate the culture and
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: the president in that time, you know, and almost have
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: confirmation bias about it, where we know what the culture was,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: so we look for it in those presidents. And I'm
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: not denying that doesn't happen, but I think for the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: most part, the presidents that we get are culturally, you know,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: essentially incubated in the elector in itself. I hope that helps.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: All Right, Duwey from Phoenix rights he goes new dad
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: here he man, congrats. It's a whole different ballgame. Sleep.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, once you have a kid, sleep becomes more
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  Speaker 1: important than sex. And I know that that's gonna but
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: I will just I promise you the biggest difference between
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: having a kid and not having a kid is that
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: is suddenly everything in your life is about finding ten
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  Speaker 1: minutes to take a nap and finding a quick chance
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  Speaker 1: to rest. Before you have a kid, at least for
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: some people, your mind wanders, and you're always wondering when
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: am I gonna, you know, have sex. Next type of
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: thing that goes out the window once your dad there,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: there's some, there's some. There's a truth bomb for you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: it Maybe you wouldn't have heard m meet the press anyway,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: your dad here. Appreciate the early episode during late night
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: diaper duty. I really enjoyed your conversation with Paul Taylor
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: and had a question about generational mindset looking back to
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  Speaker 1: George W. Bush's post nine to eleven message encouraging Americans
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  Speaker 1: to keep consuming reflect something broader about the boomer generation
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  Speaker 1: or am I reading too much into that moment? Thanks
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  Speaker 1: for all you do, Drew A Phoenix, Arizona hippos a
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  Speaker 1: little U little if you know, you know with the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: hippos and GW there there's your hand. That's an interesting
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd go that far. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think Bush at the time was simply saying what
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  Speaker 1: quoting economists, you know, the economists were saying, well, the
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  Speaker 1: longest consumer confidence days up, the economy is going to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: be fine, so hence go shopping, right, what's the best
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  Speaker 1: thing you could do for the you know, and the
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: fact is it was an inelegant message, but he was right,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: you know, And thank goodness for this powerful consumer. The
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: consumer has kept our economy afloat for some time, and
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: we're counting on the consumer to prevent a recession yet again.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, Donald Trump is counting on the wealthy consumer
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: to prevent a recession this time around. No, but I
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: do think so I had a reader send me and
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I've seen this before. It is something that an author
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  Speaker 1: by the name of Abraham Maslow came up with the
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: hierarchy of needs. Right, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and the
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: idea is, once you have one need fulfilled, then you
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: go to the next level needing that so your base
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: needs and it's he had a pyramid of this, right,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: And the base needs are physiological, essentially survival needs breathing, food, water, shelter, clothing, sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Then the next set of needs become Once you have
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  Speaker 1: those basic survival needs, then it becomes safety and security, health, employment, property, family,
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  Speaker 1: social stability. Once you have that, then the next set
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  Speaker 1: of needs love and belonging, friendship, family into see sense
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: of connection. Then once you have that, the next need
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: becomes self esteem, confidence, achievement, respective, others need to be
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: unique individual right. And then the last one is self actualization, morality, creativity, spontaneity, acceptance, experience,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: purpose meaning inner potential. And I think about that as
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  Speaker 1: I get it right. Once you once you've fulfilled one
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  Speaker 1: set of needs, then you're disappointed that you don't. Rather
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: than being satisfied that you have accomplished something, you're instead
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: wishing you had more. And the more is the next
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: set of needs. Right. And then some people they can
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: never they never find they never find their satisfaction. And
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: in some ways I feel like that that's been the
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: case with the boomers, right. The boomers keep getting, keep succeeding,
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  Speaker 1: you know, whether it's it is in accumulating wealth, investment, savings,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: making sure there's retirement, all this stuff. And yet there's
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  Speaker 1: this belief, well, they've always wanted more and more and more,
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  Speaker 1: and it's always been demanding more of government, more of government.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the other question is democracy. At some point
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: there's only you know, once, once you've provided one set
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  Speaker 1: of safety nets, then you start to see, well, we
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  Speaker 1: should be able to provide this. Why can't you know?
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  Speaker 1: As you get wealthier and wealthier, then suddenly the opportunity
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: to solve more problems seems viable. Then all of a
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: sudden you're proposing you know, bigger and bigger governmental ideas. Anyway,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I throw that in there, and I sort of I
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: just throw it out there as a as almost like
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: a question back at you, Drew, which is with the boomers,
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  Speaker 1: which is sort of we need to we need to
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  Speaker 1: find our our There are people in my life that
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: are unhappy and I think they have great lives and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they can't find happiness, and it's this,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they need something more. Right, They've got all
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: this other they've got their they've got their survival needs,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: they've got maybe a terrific family, right, but they're still
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: not satisfied. And you're like, how come you can't get
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  Speaker 1: this sense of satisfaction? And it does feel like our
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  Speaker 1: political system is that way. You know, you could make
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  Speaker 1: an argument, my goodness, we're doing really well and we
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  Speaker 1: should be satisfied with how much we are able to do.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, the World Cup visitors who are just
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: in awe of what America has. Maybe is that reminder
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  Speaker 1: for all of us that, you know, for as much
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: bitchin and moaning as we do about things. We're doing
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: really well compared to the rest of the world, and
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: we have a lot more compared to the rest of
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: the world and our you know art for instance. You know,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: this was one of those stats people didn't believe, but
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: now that you see the way World Cup visitors are reacting, Essentially,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Mississippi has a higher standard of living than I think
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: both Japan and the UK. And that is how well
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: America is doing compared to the rest of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Right it's one of the places that have our lowest
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: standard of living in the fifty States, would still be
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: in the among the highest standards of living in Europe
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: or in Asia. And that's something that we don't fully appreciate. Now.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm gonna sound like an old man. You
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: need to appreciate what you have, not keep bitching about
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: what you don't. But some you know, politicians have to
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: figure out how to win an election, and nobody's figured
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: out how to win an election by promising to do less.
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  Speaker 1: When that happens, wakeman. Next question comes from Chris from Roscoe, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: Illinois sixteen. I love it. Can you include the district number?
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for doing that, Chris, you get the gold
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  Speaker 1: star for the day. I'd like to see more of
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  Speaker 1: my readers do this. Tell me your congressional district and
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: by the way, you say possible third time or here
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: from Roscoe, Illinois. We'll go to the record books. We'll
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: find out what they tell us. He goes. I know
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: each administration has what would be considered a blunder or
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: mistake that defines their time in office. But Trump's Iron
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: War and the concession loaded MoU to possibly start negotiations
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: have got to rank up there. Where would you rank
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: this obvious miscalculation against other presidential mistakes throughout the history
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: of this country. So it's interesting. I contemplated a top
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: five list on this, and in fairness, it's not over yet,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm going to we technically should withhold judgment over Iran.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not. I don't know if we know
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  Speaker 1: for sure whether Iran is a bigger blunder than Iraq.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah right, just like look, Iraq is still sort of
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: holding together as a fledgling democracy. But it's clear the
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: war wasn't worth you know, it just wasn't worth the
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: price we had to pay for it. Anyway, I throw
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: that those caveats out there because I think you you
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: know you have to and I think the question is
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: what are the mist like, what are mistakes? Right? There's
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: political mistakes because of when you try to do something,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: not whether you should do something right. And so to
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: come up with this list, I don't I don't want
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: to include like Bill Clinton tackling healthcare the wrong way
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three and ninety four. It was a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: political blunder. How they went about it was a blunder,
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: but you could argue had they not gone and down
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: that path of figuring out how not to do it,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: there wouldn't have been the path that Obama chose to
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  Speaker 1: do it. So so I guess let's start with this.
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  Speaker 1: There's blunders that cost you an election, cost you reelection.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, Trump's management of COVID is why he
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: didn't win in twenty twenty. His oversight, right. Now, here's
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: the irony to Trump one point zero and the COVID
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: mistake is thankfully he hadn't yet purged the government of
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: its experts. You still had people like Deborah Brooks and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: Tony Fauci who knew what they were doing. You had
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: a Mike Pence who took his job very seriously and
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: working with the governors and doing coordination. You had General
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Perna who was doing logistics. But Trump's leadership was horrendous. Luckily,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: the government itself had enough competent people that it wasn't
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: a colossal disaster. We got a vaccine quickly and all
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: that stuff. So, but I think that's a blunder that
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: might belong in the top five. Who do you blame
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: for Vietnam, Kennedy or Johnson? Right? Who sent the first advisors?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Kennedy did, who escalated? Johnson did? A Is it a Macnamara?
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Vietnam, it is. It is hard. It
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: is hard to find. It is hard to find something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Was Katrina a blunder? Or was the system
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  Speaker 1: overwhelmed and it was bad management? You see why this
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: gets really hard, right, The point being, here's what gets
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: really hard. It's really hard for me to find one
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  Speaker 1: as bad as Iran. It's clear Vietnam was a mistake
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  Speaker 1: and the amount of lives lost. I still think you
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  Speaker 1: have to keep Vietnam ahead of Iran. And again I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: don't know whether you put Iran ahead of Iraq yet. Right,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Let's see how the mu turns out. Let's see what
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  Speaker 1: Let's see where Iran is in a year. You know,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: Syria falling. Last year when Asad finally fell, there was
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  Speaker 1: a reminder that you know, there were a lot of
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: people that looked like they had failed and dealing with
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: Asad who arguably all get a little bit of credit
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: and finally creating the conditions that drove us odd out right.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, this is why I think this becomes it.
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  Speaker 1: This becomes a harder exercise the more the more I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: try to do it accurately right and separating out like
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I said, political blunders, which are usually mistakes of timing
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: or mistakes of messaging versus things that just separate like
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: in turning, like the Japanese in tournament camp. That's just
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: a colossal, terrible thing to unhappen, heart stop period. So
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: but they weren't. But FDR was never politically punished for it, right,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: So it is. It's interesting sometimes where if you don't
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: pay a price with your job or with the voters
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: in some way, no matter how big the blunder is,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: it doesn't ever seem as big as when the blunder
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: costs you an actual election or costs you political power. Now,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: maybe that's on us for how we're judging these things,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: how history judges these things. But this was actually an
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: interesting exercise in doing this because when you start look,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: I think what I think the long tail of this
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: Iron debacle will probably make it at least the worst
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: decision an American president has done it, you know, going
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: back to Japanese in terment. I mean, just something that
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: just is going to leave us staying, is going to
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: cost us long term, is going to probably cost us
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: more lives on the road and fight wars we probably
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: never should have had to fight that. We may get
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: stuck fighting now. So it's one of those potential blunders
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: that will only grow in insignificance. I think it's unlikely
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: to retreat insignificance. But boy, to come up with it
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  Speaker 1: with all the different caveats I was making there, I
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: think it to come up with what the biggest blunders are,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a good challenge, and I think I'm
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: going to come up with the top five list of
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: where Trump and try to do my best to put
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: this in some sort of historical context here of where
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: it ranks up to other just and again, I want
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: to try to limit it to not political mistakes and
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: messaging mistakes, but just policy decisions like this. And by
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: the way, I'm not doing this alone. Send me your thoughts.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: In fact, Chris, I'm curious what blunders you were thinking
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: in your head. Right. The first ones that came to
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: mind for me are was war and Pece so it
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: was a rock. It was Vietnam, So those are the
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: first two places I went. But you know, you could
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Japanese and tournament. You know, it's usually our behavior enduring
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: war that is the most questionable decisions that get made.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: But I am curious which one. I think think what
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: I'll do is put together a list of the biggest
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: mistakes that each president might admit to and go from there.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: All right, next question comes from JP and he writes, Hey,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: it feels like the last decade has been lost in
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: terms of addressing long term issues. Entitlements, immigration, healthcare, education,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: and the deficit all seem unresolved. Why do you think
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Washington continues to avoid these problems and why do voters
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: seem to accept so little progress? Well, JP, I think
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: it's as simple as you know, when the crisis hits,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: that's when we deal with it, right, we you know,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't deal with the auto companies until
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: they needed a bail out. We didn't you know, we
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: didn't deal with getting better regulation on the financial system
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: until it almost broke us. Right. I wish it were different,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: but this is there is no When you are a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: small d democracy and you are dealing with fellow human beings,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: you just have to accept the fact that you know
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: you can try to come up with long term solutions
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: to stuff that you know is going to be coming
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: down the road. But for the most part, you're never
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: going to get rewarded for voters for preventing something that
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. Right, And so that's why all politicians
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: are going to over index into doing things that they
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: can show you rather than things that you'll be able
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: to that your kids will read about in history books. Now,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: by the way, most of these problems already have the
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: have this. There are three or four different ways to
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: deal with to solving our current immigration issue, to dealing
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: with entitlements, to dealing with healthcare, education, and the deficit.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: The question is whether we have the political will to
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: enact any of the ideas. Take social security, there's a
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: simple solution to at least buy more time and fund
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: Social Security, and that's to get rid of this Social
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: Security tax cap. You lift that cap, which Elizabeth Warren
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: and Bernie Marino, Republican and Democrat, co sponsored legislation to
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: do step they Bernie Marino, a Republican from Ohio, endorsed
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: essentially getting rid of that you know of you know,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: basically everybody gets taxed on the first I think it's
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: about one hundred ninety eighty thousand of income, and then
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: after that no more Social Security taxes get collected on
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: income essentially over two hundred thousand dollars. Now, people that
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: make between two hundred thousand and say seven hundred thousand
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: do not feel like they're rich, and they're going to
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: be cranky about that. So ultimately I bet you they
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: create a donut hole which says it'll be it'll jump right.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Nobody will pay Social Security taxes on income between two
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: hundred and a million dollars a year, maybe you know,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: joint filers, but then it kicks back in at a
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: million plus, right, because you know what, you know, if
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: people love to do raise somebody else's tax, you know
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: what people hate to do raising their own taxes, and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: this is how you get bipartisan support. The point is,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: the solutions are there, man, they're all jp. They're sitting
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: on a shelf. The immigration you know, you need one
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: that leans a little right, you need one that leans
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: a little left. It all exists. You want a perfect
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: fifty to fifty solution on the debt, it's the three
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: percent plan three percent spending cuts, three percent, and it's
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: across the board defense too, and a three percent tax
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: side across the board. Right, you want to start dealing
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: with that. That's how we The plans are not hard
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: to come up with. It's the political will. So now
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: ask yourself, how many voters are going to vote for
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: politicians that agree to give the voters less versus them
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: voting for politicians that promise to deliver them more stuff.
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: So it's the incentive system. What are you incentivized to do?
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Your INCENTIVI is to deliver stuff. The system does not
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: reward you for withholding stuff pure and simple. So that's
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: why you're right. We got there. And look, we all
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: know the best time to fix a roof is on
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: your house is when the sun is shawnee, not when
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: it's pouring rain. Unfortunately, when it comes to the United
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: States government and our politicians, we do not fix a
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: roof until it starts right. All right, I'm gonna do
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: two more questions in here. Michael in Dallas writes, Hey,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: with everything you juggle, travel, media, work, speaking, reading, family,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: in sports, how do you manage it all in a
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: twenty four day? Any efficiency habits or routines you rely on?
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: And what does your sleep schedule actually look like? Thanks
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: Michael and Dallas. So the biggest thing I've done to
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: manage myself is I just start early. And the number
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: one thing, my number one recommendation to getting more done
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: is to exercise as early as you can. Exercise early
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: in the morning. I try to do it before I
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: have my first cup of coffee. It doesn't always work.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and say I do
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: that every day, but for the most part, I try
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: to do my workout first before I do anything else.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: That's where I can clear my head. But I feel
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: like it. On days that I don't, I feel like
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: I drag and I can never catch up. On days
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: that I do, I feel like I can be ahead
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: of the game. So that's one. The second is I
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: am a. I learned how to speed read. My father
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: had learned how to speed read, and he taught me
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: how to do it. And there really is a there.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: It is not it is. It is not something, and
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: you can't do it every book. You can't do it
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: every article you it is, but I have learned how
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: to Just the simplest way to explain it is reading
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: paragraphs diagonally. That's sort of the visualization I can give you.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: It's what it was what worked best when my father
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: was trying to explain how he did it, because he
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: started just blow through books and I just like, how
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: do you do this? And he says, no, I was
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: taught how to speed rate, And I said speed rate.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I just didn't buy that it was a thing.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: And then he showed me how he does it, and.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: It is a it if you know the topic or
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: if you certainly the more experienced that you are reading
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: certain nonfiction books. This doesn't does not work for fiction.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Don't do not do it for fiction. But in the
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: nonfiction space, whether it's magazine articles, you know, there's you
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: hate to say it, there's a there's a there's a pattern, right,
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: you know how people write chapters. You know how people
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: write paragraphs, you know how people write sentences? Well, anyway
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: it is. It is sort of it's like your brain
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: is your own AI machine, right, and you know you
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: can fill in the gaps. So those are Those are
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: two things semi efficiency things that I would say that
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: that have benefited me and have helped. But yeah, I
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: mean I've always I I've always been able to both
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: compartmentalize and multitask in ways that outsiders might say is
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: a bit sociopathic, half kidding, And I'm saying that for
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: the benefit of a few of my family family members
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: who are listening every once in a while it frustrates
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: them and how well I can multitask. No, I was listening.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: No you weren't. Yes, you said this. There's nothing more
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: frustrating than proving to somebody who thinks that you weren't
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: listening that you were listening. It's not very satisfying to
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: you or them because are you really paying them attention? Right,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: That's what they're really upset about, And that's always the
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: fair critique. But the point being is if I could
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: give you two, right, the two pieces of advice in
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: order to get more done in a day. Number one,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: just wake up an hour earlier and exercise that hour.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: The second is, if you have to do a lot
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: of reading for a living, which I do, is figure
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: out how to read faster. And there are certain ways
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: there actually are certain tools you can get used to
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: do it all right, last question goes, do you think
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: it's fair to argue that Trump's leadership style can complicate
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: efforts towards lasting peace, particularly in situations like a wrong
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: More broadly, how much do you personally how much do
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: personality approach impact the ability to reach stable outcomes? Mark,
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: You're asking the most important question about to find out.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, the fact is he's never negotiated anything successfully
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: that's been durable. I mean, look at even the US
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: even AFT to two point zero or what he calls
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: us MCA. It's negotiated, but he was constantly trying to
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: renege on the negotiation. So this has been a huge
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: issue for him forever. The guy who wrote Art of
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: the Deal doesn't know how to make a deal, And
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: the minute he makes a deal, he's always looking, you know,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: to to change the deal. And that that's you're You're
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: asking a question that I don't think has an answer
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: at the moment. And I don't think there's a good
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: answer out there. I really don't. I think that there is.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: I do fear that his personality is why you won't see.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, he he doesn't know how to make a deal.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, he says. Putin and Zelenski don't
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: know how to make a deal. He doesn't know how
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: to get them to the tape. He doesn't know how
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: to do these things. The guy who's claimed and he
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: stopped all these wars doesn't have the first clue on
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: how to do it because if it's not about himself,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: then he's not interested. And the minute and the other
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: thing is he doesn't believe in win win situations. Everybody
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: has to lose. For him to win, somebody has to lose.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: So he becomes impossible to negotiate with, because even if
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: the deal is fair, he's going to want to shape
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: it in such a way that it makes the people
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: you just negotiated with say, well, f you, that is
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: not what I agreed to. So I think you're we're
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: about to find out. I don't. I don't think he's
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: successfully accomplished a deal like this. He's not really ever
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: ended a war. He's not negotiating. He knows how to
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: rip up deals, he doesn't really know how to put
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: him together. Right, NAFTA wasn't a new deal, it was
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: just a renegotiation, and he just slapped down a new
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: code of paint and called him USMCA. He still doesn't
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: have a deal with China. We've been waiting two terms
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: for that sucker. By the way, remember the deal he
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: was going to do with North Korea whatever happened to that.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: He does not know how to do these things, so Mark,
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: not only is it complicate efforts, we've yet to see
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: it succeed once. I think that's the million dollar question.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: How much to personality and impact the ability to reach
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: stable outcomes We're about to find out. I fear the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: next president is going to have a Ryan problem to
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: deal with it will not. I don't expect this issue
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: to be resolved during the rest of Trump's term. So
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: I basically I do not expect a stable outcome here
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: because the negotiator is not Trump. Are that we're going
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: to stick a pin in this one. Appreciate you coming
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: to the live stream. Huge, huge, important night in New
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: York for the future of the Democratic party, and that's
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: why I spent so much time on that topic up top.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: So a huge night there, plus a big night for
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: the Washington Wizards. Anyway. With that, we'll put a pin
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: in this and i'll see in twenty four hours