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The Late Debate | 18 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately, General Man, welcome the Late Bays.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up.
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  Speaker 3: A woman banned from a council forum after she said
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  Speaker 3: that dogs can't be gender fluid.
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  Speaker 2: We'll tell you all about that a little later.
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  Speaker 3: Plus when we look at the papers, the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: six Commonwealth Games will go ahead in Scotland, Victorians will
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  Speaker 3: be picking up the bill, and the federal government to
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  Speaker 3: consider free childcare for low income families.
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  Speaker 2: All of that soon.
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  Speaker 3: But first, it's no secret there's a housing crisis nationally,
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  Speaker 3: with last month national vacancy rates being just one point
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  Speaker 3: three percent. So if you're looking for a rental, good luck.
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  Speaker 3: But we want to show you just how difficult it
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  Speaker 3: is to find somewhere to live here in Sydney. Today
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  Speaker 3: we found an ad online for a three bedroom, one
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  Speaker 3: bathroom apartment in Bondi Junction. Sounds pretty good, a little expensive,
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  Speaker 3: listed at nine hundred fifty dollars a week, but there's
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  Speaker 3: just one caution you'll see on the ad there. It
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  Speaker 3: says that the unit is located above a kindergarten. Well,
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  Speaker 3: when you read on in the advertisement you find out
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  Speaker 3: that there are a few problems.
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  Speaker 2: With this listing.
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  Speaker 3: It says the unit is located above childcare center and
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  Speaker 3: only access is through the kindergarten to get to your
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  Speaker 3: nine hundred and fifty dollars a week unit. Occupants are
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  Speaker 3: required not to come and go during kindergarten hours and
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  Speaker 3: no guests are permitted during kindergarten hours. Now the kindergarten
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  Speaker 3: hours seven forty five am to five forty five pm,
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  Speaker 3: which means you can't get in or out of your
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  Speaker 3: nine hundred and fifty dollars a week apartment before six.
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  Speaker 2: Pm each evening.
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  Speaker 3: But there's one more detail you need to know before
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  Speaker 3: you sign up for this amazing opportunity. The property is
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  Speaker 3: being offered at a lower rent figure as it takes
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  Speaker 3: into account the following. Occupation of this unit means, as
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  Speaker 3: part of the agreement, the tenant will be required to
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  Speaker 3: do the following for the preschool situated below the unit.
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  Speaker 3: Remove leaves, sticks and gum nuts from playground in children's
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  Speaker 3: area before eight thirty am on Mondays and Thursdays.
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  Speaker 2: Blow up vacuum provided.
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  Speaker 3: Liz, would you take up this amazing opportunity or would
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  Speaker 3: you prefer a tent somewhere in Chrisman's.
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  Speaker 4: Electric made or live in gardener.
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  Speaker 5: Plus you don't get access to the place that you're
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  Speaker 5: living in, or if you work from home, you're just shut.
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  Speaker 4: Up in there all day because you can't leave.
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  Speaker 5: The funny thing is this has been taken down, which
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  Speaker 5: may well suggest so much taking them up from the offer,
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  Speaker 5: because when you consider we're doing in three hundred and
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  Speaker 5: fifteen dollars each to live in Bondai, which is actually
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  Speaker 5: not a bad deal at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: As per the photos. It is a large apartment, as
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  Speaker 4: they say in the listing.
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  Speaker 5: I can just imagine three young bloats being like, you
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  Speaker 5: know what, we can make this work because Bondi, of
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  Speaker 5: course is a very much sought after location.
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  Speaker 4: It is a lifestyle. It's like manly.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of those suburbs that people are like, you
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  Speaker 5: choose a lifestyle when you choose this suburbs.
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  Speaker 4: So I can just see three.
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  Speaker 5: Young blokes being like, look, that's my work hours. Anyway,
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  Speaker 5: I've got to leave by seven forty five to get
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  Speaker 5: to work. I won't be back before five forty five.
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  Speaker 1: Suits me just fine.
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  Speaker 5: Another one probably works from home and they've decided you
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  Speaker 5: know what for a bit of yard duty once a week,
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  Speaker 5: were down.
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  Speaker 6: But normally, if you have like a living gardener or
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  Speaker 6: a living cleaner, or a house attendant or something, you
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  Speaker 6: give them accommodation and you pay them to be there.
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  Speaker 5: They did you say that that was why they'd reduced
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  Speaker 5: the rental rates.
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  Speaker 4: You get out You've.
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  Speaker 6: Got to pay to be the living bloody cleaner, right
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  Speaker 6: and look, you know we're Sidney having a laugh at it,
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  Speaker 6: but it's not really a laugh because it is indicative
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  Speaker 6: of where we are at with the availability of this
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  Speaker 6: country that you would actually genuinely consider as perhaps one
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  Speaker 6: of your only options to get a house in the
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  Speaker 6: area that you can't come and go from your horse
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  Speaker 6: for about nine hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: Or actually what was it from seven.
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  Speaker 2: Through to you know ten six pm?
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  Speaker 6: You know ten odd hours or actually, yeah, what's that.
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to do the numbers here. That's yeah, it's
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  Speaker 6: about ten hours a day. Look, I didn't do the
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  Speaker 6: all that well at maths at school. That's why I
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  Speaker 6: became a journalist. Ideal in words, different, it's about ten
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  Speaker 6: odd hours a day that you don't have access to
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  Speaker 6: your own house if you want to come and go.
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  Speaker 3: There's a solution to this, do a Cert three in childcare,
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  Speaker 3: get a job in the child care center.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect, you can come and go as your please.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but if you do your SERT three in childcare,
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  Speaker 6: you're probably not earning enough money to pay nine hundred
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  Speaker 6: and fifty dollars a week to live in the place.
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  Speaker 6: But that's where we're at that people would consider something
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  Speaker 6: like that because it could be their only option to
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  Speaker 6: get a roof over the And how bad is that?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, the federal government parrots on it
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  Speaker 6: all the time, but we're going to build a million
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  Speaker 6: houses in this country, so we've got somewhere for everyone
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  Speaker 6: to live. There is such a simple solution turning off
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  Speaker 6: the immigration tap. Because they keep importing so many people
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  Speaker 6: and there are out enough places for them to live in.
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  Speaker 1: You have situations like this. By the way, it's nine hundred.
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  Speaker 6: And fifty dollars a week, which is you know, that's
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  Speaker 6: not cheap, and that could be someone's only option to
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  Speaker 6: have a roof over their head. It's funny, but I
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  Speaker 6: think it's actually a disgrace. And that's no knock on
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  Speaker 6: the landlord or the agent. I mean, look, they're just
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  Speaker 6: dealing in the market that currently exists, and why wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: you go for every bit of profit and an advantage
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  Speaker 6: that you can gain. But it's the tenants, the people
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  Speaker 6: looking for houses at the moment, who were struggling.
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  Speaker 3: Through stuff like well, as Liz said, not long after,
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  Speaker 3: I think it was you that found this ad online.
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  Speaker 3: It was taken down, so presumably someone snapped it up.
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  Speaker 3: The ABC had a story today saying that there's tents
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  Speaker 3: as you drive into Grafton. Now there's a tense city
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  Speaker 3: set up at the entrance to that town because there's
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  Speaker 3: just no accommodation. And of course in Stephen Miles Electric
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  Speaker 3: in Queensland Brisbane there's a tense city as well. It's
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  Speaker 3: happening all around the country so it's a major problem.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not just paying your rent that's an issue.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're having to pay in order to pay your
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  Speaker 3: rent with the advent of real estate agencies using apps
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  Speaker 3: for renters to pay their rental fees headline in the
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  Speaker 3: newspaper today, So Australian tenants are being charged to pay
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  Speaker 3: their rent these apps. One is called a low You
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  Speaker 3: pay the rent through this app rather than just having
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  Speaker 3: money deducted from your bank account. But just as when
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  Speaker 3: you use your card, you charge a service fee, this
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  Speaker 3: app charges a service fee. One gentleman being charged five
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  Speaker 3: dollars ten a month. Now five bucks a month probably
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  Speaker 3: doesn't sound much, but when you're swimping for every dollar
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  Speaker 3: just to afford rent, electricity and food, it all adds up,
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  Speaker 3: and it's insult to injury when you're being stung for
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  Speaker 3: rent and then you have to pay the real estate
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  Speaker 3: agency in order to forward your rental fees. Tim Renter
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  Speaker 3: tim the rent rather for a second, that was his surname.
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  Speaker 2: He told the paper.
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  Speaker 3: I was annoyed at having to pay money for basically nothing,
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  Speaker 3: but I was afraid to say anything to the property manager.
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  Speaker 3: You don't want to risk being on one of their
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  Speaker 3: bucket lists for being a blacklists, for being a difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Tenant, not doing well with the reading.
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  Speaker 3: This is the problem with a shortage in housing that
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  Speaker 3: if you've got a rent all you feel fortunate to
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  Speaker 3: have one in the first place. You dare not kick
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  Speaker 3: up a stink about the condition of the property or
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  Speaker 3: about the terms the real estate agent is applying to you,
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  Speaker 3: even charging you to pay your rent, for fear that
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  Speaker 3: they'll come up with a reason to kick you out
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  Speaker 3: and you won't find a place.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 6: I would say to your landlord James, and James often
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  Speaker 6: talks about how much he likes his landlord.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good guy.
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  Speaker 6: But I would recommend to him that he puts another
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  Speaker 6: zero on the end of James's weekly rent because given
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  Speaker 6: his reading abilities, tonight, he won't even know you've done it.
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  Speaker 6: I'd be taking to the collect But you know, it's
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  Speaker 6: five dollars extra to pay rent whatever. But every time
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  Speaker 6: you go to the cafe or the supermarket or whatever
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  Speaker 6: and you're getting charged to surcharge on your credit card,
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  Speaker 6: these surcharges very quickly add up.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's five dollars here, twenty cents there, fifty
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  Speaker 1: cents there. Across a month.
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  Speaker 6: You could be paying million, one hundred dollars into these
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  Speaker 6: damned search charges, right, And it made me think today,
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  Speaker 6: what would happen now if you tried to go to
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  Speaker 6: the shop front of your property manager and try to
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  Speaker 6: pay your rent in cash.
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  Speaker 1: Something tells me that.
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  Speaker 6: A lot of places now would either look at your
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  Speaker 6: sideways and say, what the hell are you doing that for?
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  Speaker 6: Or they would simply refuse to take your money because
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  Speaker 6: everyone is expected to pay for everything online now, and
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  Speaker 6: it's all good and will to expect people to pay online.
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  Speaker 6: And I suspect a lot of landlords and property managers
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  Speaker 6: would expect you to pay online instead of via cash.
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  Speaker 6: But if that then comes with a surcharge, given that
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  Speaker 6: cash is still legal tender in this country, and we
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  Speaker 6: see this in shops where they now refuse to take cash,
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  Speaker 6: you should not be able to refuse that legal tender.
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  Speaker 6: As far as I'm concerned, why should I have to
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  Speaker 6: pay extra to use my own money. It's because the
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  Speaker 6: person you're giving the money who doesn't want to pay
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  Speaker 6: the surcharge themselves.
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  Speaker 1: But why should I have to pay that?
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  Speaker 6: If there's a way I can avoid it, and that's cash,
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  Speaker 6: But I'm continually being told that I cannot use cash.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see how that is fear in any way.
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  Speaker 5: Well, a method by which to pay your rent without
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  Speaker 5: a fee is law in many states, and this particular
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  Speaker 5: app that Tim Rent is talking about does have an
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  Speaker 5: option whereby you're not paying the fee, but it requires
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  Speaker 5: you to go on to the app once a month
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  Speaker 5: to pay, and thereby have to put in all your
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  Speaker 5: banking details all over again, which I would argue is
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  Speaker 5: a small inconvenience if you want to spare yourself the
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  Speaker 5: five dollars ten cents every month. I found it very
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  Speaker 5: amusing though, that this Alow app was invented by the
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  Speaker 5: great grandson.
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  Speaker 2: Of Ray White.
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  Speaker 4: He's cash and then on the family business. But you're
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  Speaker 4: quite right, why would a real estate agent who has
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  Speaker 4: chosen to pro assess.
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  Speaker 5: Their rental payments through such an app, through such a platform,
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  Speaker 5: Why shouldn't they be the ones bearing the brunt of
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  Speaker 5: any costing curve because they're doing it for their own convenience,
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  Speaker 5: not the convenience of the renter. But like you say, Mac,
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  Speaker 5: in today's market, the renters just have to keep sucking
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  Speaker 5: it up because you don't want to be difficult, you
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  Speaker 5: don't want to get in.
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  Speaker 4: Trouble to our free speech.
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  Speaker 5: Absolute crisis going in our country right now. Today, Communications
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  Speaker 5: Minister Michelle Rowland stared down the barrel and told us
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  Speaker 5: with a straight face that the Misinformation Disinformation Bill that
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  Speaker 5: she's introduced, which would give AKMA, the Australian Communications and
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  Speaker 5: Media Authority, more powers, is now backed by report by
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  Speaker 5: AKMA itself which agrees that yes, They're more than happy
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  Speaker 5: to be the Ministry of Truth here in Australia should
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  Speaker 5: the bill get up.
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  Speaker 7: In the most recent parliamentary sitting, I introduced legislation to
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  Speaker 7: ensure the regulator, the Australian Communications and Media Authority, has
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  Speaker 7: the powers it needs to hold digital platforms to account
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  Speaker 7: for their systems and processes in relation to combating seriously
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  Speaker 7: harmful miss and disinformation on their platforms. And just today
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  Speaker 7: the Australian Communications and Media Authority released its latest report
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  Speaker 7: into the voluntary industry Code of Practice dealing with miss
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  Speaker 7: and disinformation in Australia. What this does is underscore the
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  Speaker 7: need for the government's legislation to combat harmful, seriously harmful
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  Speaker 7: miss and disinformation online. We know from the acma's report
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  Speaker 7: that around eighty percent of Australians are concerned about this
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  Speaker 7: and they want something done about it.
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  Speaker 5: Stalin Chairman Mao and Hitler approve this message, baby, Can
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  Speaker 5: you believe this? Can we get a fact check on
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  Speaker 5: that a percent of Australians want this? We're supposed to
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  Speaker 5: believe twenty million of US Australians want this misinformation disinformation
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  Speaker 5: combated and we want AKMA to have weapons grade powers
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  Speaker 5: to censor me, to censor you, to censor us every night.
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  Speaker 4: On the Late Debate, even more than they already do.
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  Speaker 5: There's already codes that we all must abide by, which
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  Speaker 5: we agree, for the most part, are fair.
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  Speaker 4: But what we're talking about.
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  Speaker 5: In this misinformation disinformation bill is out and out censorship.
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  Speaker 4: This is unbelievable. And be reminded, we.
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  Speaker 5: Can't even bash labor about this. This isn't even an
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  Speaker 5: election war that we can play off because this bill
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  Speaker 5: is the brainchild of a liberal government. So if you
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  Speaker 5: think they're going to come to your rescue, think again.
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  Speaker 5: Whether your vote blue or red, you're getting this. It's
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  Speaker 5: utterly terrifying just to note that these two parties, which
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  Speaker 5: are completely controlled, in my personal opinion, no matter which
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  Speaker 5: way you vote, you're going to get the same end result.
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  Speaker 4: With regards to this.
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  Speaker 5: We've seen it play out in the UK, it's progressively
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  Speaker 5: playing out in the US, in Canada, all these Western
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  Speaker 5: countries biting down hard on the most basic principle of
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  Speaker 5: any free Western democracy, which is freedom of speak.
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  Speaker 3: I just loved Michelle Rowland's press conference. I mean it
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  Speaker 3: was so dramatic.
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  Speaker 2: Today. Akma agreed that Akma should have more power. Wow,
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  Speaker 2: thanks so much for that. That's driving matters. Who would
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  Speaker 2: have guessed that'd come to that conclusion.
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  Speaker 3: And then that eighty percent of Australians want misinformation and
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  Speaker 3: misinformation cracked down very concersed, I would say, is a
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  Speaker 3: wonderful example of misinformation. If they're in a crackdown on misinformation,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, gender identity, I might be in support
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  Speaker 3: of this good, But the idea of misinformation and this,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, these are terms that didn't exist. What six
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  Speaker 3: literally is, they've made them up. There's things that are
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  Speaker 3: true and there are things that are not true, but
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  Speaker 3: there's no such thing as misinformation and disinformation. They are
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  Speaker 3: government terms used to confuse us so they can make
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  Speaker 3: us say what they want and not say what they
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  Speaker 3: don't want. And then she talks about things like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we've got to crack down on harmful and seriously harmful.
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  Speaker 4: Did you see?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So seriously not just.
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  Speaker 3: Things that are harmful. Then there are other things that
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  Speaker 3: are seriously harmful. I don't know what they are.
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  Speaker 2: She can't show rowlands.
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  Speaker 1: She knows what they.
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  Speaker 3: Are, and she will let us know if we say
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  Speaker 3: anything that's harmful or God forbid seriously harmful in her view.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, yes, I have a plan, but I don't know
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  Speaker 6: what the plan is yet, but I'll tell you about
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  Speaker 6: it later.
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  Speaker 1: And the ridiculous thing about all of this, of course,
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  Speaker 1: is that if you think back.
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  Speaker 6: To the presidential campaign in the US in twenty sixteen,
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  Speaker 6: Trump started talking about fake news all the time, right right,
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  Speaker 6: and he was derided by the left for using fake
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  Speaker 6: news as cover for news that he didn't like, reporting
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  Speaker 6: on Trump that he didn't appreciate. And it we said, well,
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  Speaker 6: you know, every time he says fake news, it simply
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  Speaker 6: because he doesn't want you to know that about you.
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  Speaker 6: It's simply the free press interrogating Donald Trump. So you
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  Speaker 6: fast forward from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, eight
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  Speaker 6: years later, and you now have the left essentially using
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  Speaker 6: the term fake news, except that they've got different words
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  Speaker 6: for it now, which is misinformation and disinformation.
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  Speaker 1: And saying no, no, no, no, no, we don't like all.
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  Speaker 6: This information that's been published that's critical of us and
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  Speaker 6: could be damaging towards us. That's fake news. It's misinformation disinformation.
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  Speaker 6: The same people who criticize Trump for going after the
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  Speaker 6: press for fake news now claim that everything that is
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  Speaker 6: published by the press and you and me on social
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  Speaker 6: media is misinformation slash disinformation. How can she and AKMA
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  Speaker 6: possibly come up with the number that eighty percent of
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  Speaker 6: Australians want this now? Sure, eighty percent of Australians may
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  Speaker 6: agree that there is false information online and that they
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  Speaker 6: would appreciate that not being there, But do they realize
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  Speaker 6: that under this Misinformation Disinformation Bill it would give AKMA,
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  Speaker 6: the Communications and Media Authority, the ability to haul you
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  Speaker 6: in just as much as it has the ability to
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  Speaker 6: haul mean and explain what I am talking about and
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  Speaker 6: what I am posting online.
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  Speaker 1: You post something on X.
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  Speaker 6: Or Facebook or whatever, and AKMA is suddenly the arbiter
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  Speaker 6: of truth, decides that they.
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  Speaker 1: Know what is the truth and you don't know what's
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  Speaker 1: the truth.
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  Speaker 6: They can force you to explain yourself, and if you
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  Speaker 6: refuse to explain yourself, they'll fine you for doing so.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think eighty percent of Australians would actually be
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  Speaker 6: in support of essentially a ministry of truth that can
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  Speaker 6: fine you for not cooperating with.
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  Speaker 5: You exactly, And we are adults, We have common sense.
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  Speaker 5: If you say something hair brained, I'm gonna think it's
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  Speaker 5: hair brained. We all get to pile on you and
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: tell you you're an idiot, and vice versa. If we
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  Speaker 5: disagree with each other. We are all capable of our
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: own thinking processes. If you say something that I know
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: nothing about, I'll do my own research. If I'm interested,
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: I'll come up with my own opinion. I don't need
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Daddy government, who seems to be so scared of his
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: rebellious children. I don't need Daddy government to protect me
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: from anything. Give me a most hair brained ideas.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: At the very least, all we entertain.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: They're not trying to protect you, Liz, They're trying to
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: protect themselves.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: They are the ones that come up with the brained ideas.
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Is how they sell it though, that we're trying to
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: protect you trying to protect themselves.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: What I find.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Unbelievable about these arguments, though, is people's unwillingness to concede
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: that these people mean you very real harm. What do
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: you think they mean by cracking down censorship, individuals can't
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: speak their minds anymore? And yet, despite the evidence, especially
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: after the last four years, nobody wants to concede this
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: central point. And we can come back to this point
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: where whether we're talking about digital idea, whether we're talking
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: about surveillance, whether we're talking about them hauling these massive
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: public public square platforms like X and others before they're
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: jumped up court, people don't want to concede that maybe,
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: just maybe the people in power genuinely mean you harm
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: and are actively pursuing it, because how else, how else
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: can you explain that?
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: The other thing is that people in power have glass jaws.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: Do you remember Anthony Lbnezi lamenting a couple of months
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: ago that there's got to be a way to stop
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: people making memes of me because he didn't like them.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: So did you read today?
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom in California has passed legislation effectively to ban
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: political memes. Anything that is, you know, satire or ridiculing
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: politicians that's not legitimately true because it's satire is now banned.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: So all these politicians have got massive glass jaws, and
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: it's okay to disagree with them, but if you laugh
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: at them or mock them, they hate that, and so
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: now they're outlawing.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we've lost the plot. We have just lost the plot.
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: By the way, I don't want the word daddy anywhere
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: near elbow.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Again, this is a little note to you, Liz.
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: But of course all of this stuff is being swept
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: up into one.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: You got misinformation, disinformation, Billy, got the hate speech bill
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: that was also put up last week. You've got the
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: proposal now from the federal government that they would restrict
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: teenagers and children from being able to use social media.
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: And as we've said many times, that is a noble goal.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: It is one that is highly popular because most people
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: recognize the danger of children using social media, but they
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: add that on to things like misinformation and disinformation as a.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Way to ram it through.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Here are a few things on the sidelines that mightn't
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: be so popular, but here's a really popular policy, like
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: restricting age on social media. Let's bring it all into
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: one and try to sell it as one product. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: as we've said here many times, why don't parents who
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: ultimately have control of their children, or ought to ultimately
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: have control of their children, simply tell kids you cannot
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: go on social media, or even better, you cannot have
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: a device. Well, the big tech companies are fighting back
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: against the proposal from the federal government to implement age restrictions,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: including the CEO of Snapchat. Now, Snapchat, some of our
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: viewers may not be aware of. It's a social media
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: platform that is primarily used by young people, including kids.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: It's basically where you can send photos and messages that
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: self destruct. So I might send a photo to you,
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: you open it, you know, it lasts for ten seconds
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: and then it disappears. If you screenshot that photo, it
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: tells me that you have done so. Evidently that is
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: also used by people for nefarious purposes. But the CEO
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: of Snapchat, Evan Spiegel, says that parents have already got
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: these tools today. This is the sort of thing that
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: the government is trying to implement. We use the iOS
• 20:47
  Speaker 6: level controls and screen time to limit what our team,
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: we've got an almost fourteen year old at.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Home, what he's able to use.
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: We have Family Center as well inside of Snapchat that
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: allows parents to monitor their teen's activity on Snaphat and
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: put in place more stringent content controls and things like that.
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: We've really done a lot to empower parents to make
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: the right choices for their teenagers. And again, all those
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: tools already exist for parents who would rather restrict the
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: use of certain apps for their teams. Well, Lo and behold,
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: Snapchat speaks out against it, but Meta, which owns Facebook
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: and Instagram, has thought, well, maybe if we do a
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: little bit now, then it might just get the government
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: to move back a little bit, because they announced overnight
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: that they will implement their own restrictions for children on Instagram.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: Michelle Roland, who we showed you before, I'm sorry to
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: subject you to her again, but she brought this up
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: at her press conference today.
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: The announcement we've seen today applies to one platform, that
• 21:50
  Speaker 7: is Instagram. The government is seeking to introduce legislation, have
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: that passed by the Parliament, will introduce that this year
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: that relates to access to social media by children. We're
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: looking at an age range here of between thirteen and sixteen.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: And again we're looking at an age range between thirteen
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: and sixteen.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Because they don't actually have a plan yet.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: This is literally policy on the run. But this response
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: is not surprising whatsoever. You had the Prime Minister the
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: other day trust to say, oh, we're going to stand
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: up against those big tech bullies who don't want to
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: conform with the law in Australia. Well, the tech companies
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: are simply trying to say and not unfairly so that
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: we have created tools that parents can use if they
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: so wish, but the parents.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Haven't done so.
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: So why is it always the responsibility of the government
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: to step in and be the parent when the parents
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: could do something about it?
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Now, I love this, whether Snapchap CEO putting the onus
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: back on the parents, your kids, your responsibility, revelatory, Oh
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: my gosh, you're a genius, buddy.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: This is what I think all of.
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: These guys, whether it's meta, whether.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: It's elons, should be saying back.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: To these governments, this is not necessarily our responsibility.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: They already take great extremes to.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Abide by the laws of the countries in which they operate.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: If there is a law being.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Broken, they're the first to say, yep, our bad, We've
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: got to get this material off our platforms. They are
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: very conscious of that. Otherwise they'd be in big trouble
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: and they'd constantly be before the courts. But what the
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: government is trying to do here is essentially take the
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: place of parents.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: And I know that a lot of parents I would
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: call them.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Lazy, are like, oh thank god, the government's taking this
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: on instead of me having to do my job. If you,
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: as a parent, are aware of the mountain.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: It's more like a mountain range.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: At this point of studies and research done on the
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: detrimental impacts on youths on social.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Media, do you even let them have access?
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: And if they do have access, why aren't you using
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: the measures available to you to monitor it. It's not
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: rocket science. It is your job to protect your kids.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: I just find this utterly exhausted.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Let me speak on behalf of these lazy parents, because
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I agree with what churl.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: You're one of them? Is that what you'rer.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Because I'm the parent on the desk that would be true.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: So the point is correct that there are opportunities on
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: your phone to limit. And when my boys got social
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: media and phones, I think they were thirteen years old,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: which was late compared to all of their friends. And
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: for about two years they nag non stop and complained
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: that their human rights were being breached because they were
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the only kids in the whole of the state who
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: did not have an iPhone. And eventually I relented and
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: they got them at age thirteen. Interestingly, my kids now say, Dad,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: when we've got kids, were never letting them get a phone.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: There so you can go on the phone, and I
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: remember when they were thirteen, would limit what apps they
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: could have access to, We could limit how long they
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: were able to use their phone before it would shut down,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: But a couple of things.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: You've got to basically be a tech expert to work
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: out how I have enough trouble changing ring tones, as
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: you well know, on my phone without trying to work
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: out how do I select which apps they can and
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: when they can use it, et cetera, et cetera. And
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: then they'll come to you and you say, Dad, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: want to access this because I want to get sports
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: information or something, So can I just get you to
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: change the setting for half an hour? And then you've
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: forgotten the password and you've got to get back in.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: And so it's not as simple as well, you're just lazy.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: It's incredibly complicated for some tech retarded people like myself.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And on top of that, parents are doing a million
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: things now, so to sit down for half an hour
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: and try and work out there's a lot going on.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: So it's a parent's responsibility.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: But I think most parents are saying, if we could
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: have some help from these big tech companies, it wouldn't
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: go astray, and we wouldn't begrudge them doing a little
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: bit to make it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: That is a situation in which the government can assist
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: in tech literacy.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Right, you don't have to go so well.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So I'll go to a seminar so the government.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Did you literally walk into an Apple store with your
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: son's iPhone and say I want these settings the guys there.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: When we are going to walk into an iPhone store
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: like in my spare time and wait for it, you
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: got to make an appointment three days later.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: What you're talking about now is the lazy parenting I'm
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: referring to.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: About lazy parenting, I'm talking about it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Wasn't worth one visit to an iPhone store.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Do me a favor.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: They literally have tech gurus sitting there twiddling their thumbs
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: or they're absolutely smashed if it's a busy day. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about one visit and they can implement whatever.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: You want on the device that you've bought in.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying I think it's a bit rich to
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: sit there and say, all these lazy parents, it's not
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: as c.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: Very important.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying it's not important you make.
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: Time for the things that are important, and if you
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: don't have the skills, then you go to someone who does,
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: like one trip to an iPhone store and say this
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: is my son's phone.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: Can you do this?
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: So what do people in Grafton do who don't have
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: an iPhone store anywhere near them?
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: What do they do?
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: That's why I find someone, That's why I know there.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Is a place for government to educate on tech literacy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And there's a place for the tech companies to say,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: you know what, we want to play our part two
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: which which have now said, you know what, we could
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: actually do better?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And is that not an admission they.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Haven't done They could do a hell of a lot
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: more in terms of removed.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And they're doing it and they're doing it without government help.
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: Well, they're doing it because this will have been pressured
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: and I do so.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: So the question then is whether the government should now
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: pursue these laws.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, with the.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Tech companies taking the initiative of themselves.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: This is the vex When this is the vexed part
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: of the question, isn't it Because a lot of people,
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: on the face of it, would support something like a
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: government instituted ban on the ages you can use social media,
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: and part of me thinks, sure, that's a great idea,
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: but the problem is all the other things that come
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: along with Of course, it's not as simple as Okay,
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: we're just going to ban kids from using social media.
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: It becomes a vehicle for the misinformation, disinformation, It becomes
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: a vehical for AI and digital ID, et cetera, and
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: so on the face of it, if that's all, it
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: was great idea, but there's so many other things that
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: it gets swept up in that makes it so much
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: more complicated and ultimately dangerous compared to what it could be.
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's no coincidence that it's all happening at the
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: same time, it's no coincidence that this suddenly became a
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: pressing issue after years of being a very pressing issue,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: just weeks after our government passed its digital ID bill.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: I would bet any amount of money and you can
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: remember this and quote me on it, that no matter
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: what measures are put in place, whether it's buy these
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: tech platforms themselves, or whether it's by legislation by the
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: government protecting the youth, give it a matter of months
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: before the government returns.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: To us and says it's not working. It's not. It's
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: just not effective enough.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: How else can you put these measures on applying only
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: to youth a digital ID?
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: It's a digital ID. How else are you going.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: To prove your age and who you really are on
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: any online platform.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: It's not just the kids though, who are complaining about
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: a lack of access to digital devices. Would you believe
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: that the prisoners now are up in arms that they
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: don't have smartphones and iPads and whatever in the prisons
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: with them? Petition today that has been put up by
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: the Greens. They've collected a thousand signatures from inmates in
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: New South Wales complaining that they want free phone calls
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: and they want access to devices for wait for.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: It, educational purposes.
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: Yes, I'm sure nothing could go wrong giving prisoners phones
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: and iPads and stuff. Good Greens in p su Higginson
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: carried on about this today. She said, right now, inmates
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: in this state, that's New South Wales are suffering from.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Quote unque, disconnection disorder.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: I look in jail.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: The murderers and the rapists of New South Wales have
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: disconnection disorder.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm also sorry for them, she continues.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: So disconnection is kind of the point of jail, is right.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: She continues, they can't connect to the people they love
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: because punitive policies in this state won't let them. Criters,
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: connection and education are two of the most effective factors
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: in reducing recidivism. By denying basic access to technology and
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: educational programs, the men's Labor government is ripping away the
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: paths to rehabilitation inmates in this state.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Have yes, you heard it here first.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: Because the prisoners don't have iPads, they are going to
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: go back out and commit more crimes when they finally
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: get released. Now, look, if you are in prison, you've
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: got a roof over your head, which is more than
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: can be said for a lot of people in this country.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Look in a housing crisis. Don't think they haven't considered.
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: And they're not worrying about paying nine hundred and fifty
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: dollars a week to clean up the leaves.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: At a kindergarten. Are they? They've got a roof over their.
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Head, they've got three square meals a day, they've got
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: health care. Bloody hell, send me to prison at this point,
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: because I could do with saving some money right now.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: So they've got all of the other free stuff and
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: it costs about one hundred grand to keep a prisoner
• 31:21
  Speaker 6: in prison per annum per prisoner, for heaven's sake. Now
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: they want free phone calls and free iPads and phones
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: on top of it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Give me a spell.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And if this proposal gets up, there are rumors that
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the Greens will next campaign for prisoners to get access
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to Netflix and free massages.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: So you know, it just keeps going.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: But you know, she says that these things like connectivity
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: and education are effective factors in reducing recidivism. Well, I
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: would have thought an effective factor is that prison is
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: so horrible and so uncomfortable and so bad you don't
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: want to commit a crime unless you go back there.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: That would be a fairly effective thing. And education, and
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: fair enough, is very important. Well, there used to be
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: this thing called book books, you know, and you used
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: to read them, and then used to get a pen
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: and paper and you used to write things.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Want to introduce that into prison?
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: We already have those. They have the books, they read
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: the books.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Well, like prison libraries, you've got those. If, as you.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Claim, you want this for educational.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Purposes, there's plenty plenty in books.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: If you can read, you're fine to HSC exams.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Now, the biggest shake up in fifty seven years is occurring,
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, history and the making which the masters
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: of HSC have decided that we will no longer be
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: writing English exams. Yes, it's been done for decades, but
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: for some reason this has to be thrown out the
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: window now and kids can complete their exams online whenever
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: they come up with something new like this.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: All I really hear is kids aren't coping.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: The schools are tired of looking like failures due to
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: poor results, so we've decided to mix things up a little.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: South Wales's Education Standards Authority had Paul Martin said, we
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: want to be clear that handwriting is still a vital
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: skill while continuing to modernize the HSC exam experience for students.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: He goes on to say, there is some accuracy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: And reasonableness about interrogating the text outside of the time
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: that the person wrote it, but it can go to
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: a point where your own reaction and response becomes more important.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Than the intent of the author and what the text
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: is trying to convey.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: It's my strong view that students should know the plot
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: and the themes, and the characters and the quotes and
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: the symbolism.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Also in using.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Computers, how can you be sure that they're not cheating.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: You've got hundreds and hundreds of students sitting these exams before,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: when it was just you sat at a desk with
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: a pen or a pencil and a pile of blank
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: paper with a few questions on it.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: He had just had what was up here.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: But for as long as there's technology involved, as there
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: is at Unis, I've sat exams via this method that
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: they're talking about at you said there is so much
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: room for cheating.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: It's basically an open book exam.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Really, So that last quote you read relates to they're
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: getting rid of postmodern literary theory, which is a good
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: idea absolutely. But I also like the idea of using
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: computers to write your English essay or exam. I mean,
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: you can write faster on a computer than with pen
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: and paper. Second, it's well plus you can edit as
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: you go, which is much better than trying to cross
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: out or just don't make a mistake. The only issues
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: you've got are cheating, which they could surely mitigate against.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: But if you've got an it failure, but we already
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: use it for naplan So I don't see this as
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: a cynical exercise in disguising poor educational outcomes.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: It just makes sense that they.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Would use computers because most kids these days are not writing.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: They're typing their messaging. That's how they communicate. Why shouldn't
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: they do their English exam that way?
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: But that's the problem, is that we have done the
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: kids down so that they don't know how to write properly.
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: Any handwriting is a skill that's gone out the window.
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: And I can say, but my handwriting has gone downhill
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: immeasurably in the last ten years because I use computers
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: and phones so much more than I did the teen years.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: But it's a literacy test, it's not a handwriting test.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: If you want to test their their penmanship, then give
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: them a pen and paper test to test.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Their ability to communicate if they give them a laptop.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: So if the quality of their penmanship isn't a problem,
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: then what's the problem with letting them write in a
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: scrawling And they have for decades part damp paper like
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: everyone always.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: Why are we constantly trying to make it easier for
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: this generation?
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Weird enough? For do?
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's the way their brains work.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: For instance, for myself, I think while I type, and
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I find it easier to think while I'm typing, But
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: if you give me a pen and paper, it's a
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: whole different process in my brain. But then a lot
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: of and our kids are the same because they've been
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: raised on that.
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: Sure, But a lot of people also process information better
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: when it's received orally they're listening to it. Some people
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: are able to commit information to their brain better when
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: they talk about it, they dictate it, right. So does
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: that then mean that we have to have a different
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: version of the exam for every different kid who learns in.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: A different way.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: No, You've got to have one simple product that is
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: available to all. And I think handwriting is actually a
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: really good skill, and it's one that is being lost.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: And this is just another marker of the fact that we.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Are losing it. You know, we have these sort of.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: Impersonal methods of communication now, whether it be email or
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: text message or whatever.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: You think of your grandparents, right, who used to send
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: love letters to each other. Think back to the war,
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: writing telegrams and all this stuff, and people hold onto this.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Next should be wanting kids to put perfume on their
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: exam papers.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Conicuous love is held on to forever.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: People still have reams of letters that their grandparents and
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: great grandparents wrote to each other, and we go, oh,
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: isn't that romantic?
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Well, what in.
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: Fifty years time, my potential future offspring aren't going to
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: be going, oh, can you messages.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: With online?
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: The ship going the way it is, we're going to
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: have to return to handwritten notes in order to communicate
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: anything to each other that the grubby government doesn't get
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: to read verse and sentence paragraph by.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: It's even past notes in class anymore.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: They don't know how to write. We're going to go
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: to a commercial breakball. We come back.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: We'll look at what's making news tomorrow, including the Commonwealth
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: games to go to Scotland, Victorian taxpayers picking up the bill. Okay,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow. We'll
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: start with the Northern Territory News, where the headline says
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: energy clash, Anti fracking protesters given marching orders in Lea's
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: gas lashing Chief Minister Leah fin kay, sorry, you are
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: helping me with history and the ad breaking that I
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: mucked it up. Lea Finocchiaro has told anti gas protesters
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: at a major resources convention to go back to Victoria,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: also hitting out the Commonwealth's decision to review whether the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: water trigger should have fly to fracking projects.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: I like this. They had one hundred people.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: Protesting outside the convention and she's gotten up and told
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: all the protesters and go back to where we.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Know you came from.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Victoria, of course, is the state that all protesters originate from.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: But the Greens MP Kate McNamara, the first ever Green
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: to be in the Northern Territory Parliament, she said, no, no, no,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: these are all local protesters. They didn't come from Victoria.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Well who knows where they came from.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: That would be, but they normally do bust them in
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for these sorts.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Of It's not a bad burden.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: Really glad to see a chief minister of political leader
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: in this country who is willing to stand up just
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: say it how it is.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Bugger off back to Victoria.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: I think she missed a trick in not telling them
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: to frack off back to Victoria. But good honor, she's saying,
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: this is what we need for my territory.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: The rest of you. Bugger off.
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: She's saying it in plain, simple language. This is what
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: people have been demanding from leaders for so long, and
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: finally we're actually seeing it well.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: She added that the Northern Territory has been one of
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: the worst performing economies in the country for eons. She's
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: determined to turn that around, and she's not going to
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: let one hundred people standing out the front of a
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: convention center protesting progress to keep the Northern Territory in
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: last place economically.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Liz, Yeah, good, honor.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Let's see more of this, honestly, and also just take
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: the mick out of these people. We're talking about the
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: power of satire just last night.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: Mock them.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Be like, if it weren't for fossil fuels, I don't
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: think there'd be a tree left standing. Do you want
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: us to go cutting down all of them? Shall we
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: go back to using.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: A whale oil?
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I'm sure there's a lot of people who would protest that.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: Smart people understand that what this is really about is
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: control of our energy resources.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Because when you're switching energy.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: Resources like we are now, some of us want to
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: some of us don't. You are talking about a massive
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: transfer of of power. No one's paying attention to that.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: These are just the useful idiots who genuinely believe this
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: is going to save the world. Of course it's not
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: going to It is going to pad the pockets of
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: the right people who planned out this agenda eons in advance.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: But there they are, and to hear someone like her,
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: who obviously isn't going to get into the minutia of it,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: just to tell them to rack off. I'm doing what's
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: best for my state. That's my job as chief minister.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: It's so refreshing, which is kind of sad in today's
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: day and age.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Just a premiere, which is essentially what she is, standing
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: up for what's best for her pat.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: There's one more really interesting line in this article.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: This project has been referred to an independent scientific committee
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: by Tenure Plibask. The Environmental Minister and Federal Resources Minister
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Madeline King has told the Northern Territory News that of
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: course this project has been looked over many many times,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: but as part of their social license, we need to
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: do this one more check, which shows you why productivity
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: is so down in this nation where the government are
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: effectively It sounds like she's admitting there's really no need
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: for this, but we just want to be seen to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: be doing the right theme.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: How frustrating is that for investors?
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: Of course, of course that's why investors will walk out
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: of this country. But you mentioned whale oil is they
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: could probably extract whale oil from some of these protesters
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: because if it weren't for these protests they never get
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: off their lazy, jobless asses.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the Herald Sun tomorrow where it says
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: you've got to be joking. Well done to the subs.
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: Two hundred and five million dollars of Victorian cash handed
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: to Scotland to host twenty twenty six Colm Games. After
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: we ditch them, every one dollar spent building two stages
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: of SRL will return only sixty to seventy cents. New
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: analysis reveals there's a lot of money being spent. It's
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: a good result. Victorian tactpays have been dealt a double
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: blow with the Glasgows sorry confirmed to host the twenty
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: twenty six Comonwealth Games at our expense, as a new
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: independent analysis of the Bourbon Rail loup reveals its benefits
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: come nowhere near matching the dollars spent on the huge project.
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: Let's not forget Daniel Andrews should not be allowed to
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: get away with this, and I know that he's got
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: a few other problems at the moment with the car
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: in a car accident where he not him, allegedly his
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: wife hit a young man, Ryan Yilman, nearly ten years
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: ago now, and that's all going through the course. But
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: he should never be allowed to get away with this
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: because he bid for and agreed to host the Commonwealth
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: Games in Victoria with this mad model that it was
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: going to go around all these regional talents purely to
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: shore up regional votes for the twenty twenty two state election.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: And as soon as he had the opportunity, he said,
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: oh my goodness, this thing is too expensive to possibly hold.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: It was so see through. Like almost everything he does,
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: he just gets away with it.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: So Victoria spent what almost six hundred million dollars getting
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: out of the Commonwealth Games. Of that six hundred million,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: about three hundred and eighty million was compensation payments that'll
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: be used to stage the Scottish Games. Interestingly, Liz, they're
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: only going to have ten sports at the next Commonwealth
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Games because well, the Victorians only gave them six.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Hundred men to make the list. I don't think.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: Raygun will be part of the Comonwealth Games, which it
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: is a tragedy for the entire world.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I think we can all agree.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: So it'd be interesting to see which ten sports are represented.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: But what sort of Commonwealth Games is I mean, your
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: local school sports carnival has more than ten different.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: I remember them well.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: I don't think anyone really cares all that much about
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: the Commonwealth Games.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think they do. This is the end
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: of the Commonwealth Games now it is.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: And let's not forget either that.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: Jacinta Allen, now, the premier who replaced Daniel Andrews, was
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: the minister in charge of the delivery of the Commonwealth Games.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: Now the story on the front of the Herald sounds
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: tomorrow free childcare push. Children from low income households should
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: get free childcare three days a week and subages should
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: be increased for other families, and major in inquiry has
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: urged the federal government will consider a five point four
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: billion dollar ann You'll increase in childcare spending to meet
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: the Productivity Commission's recommendations.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Well, whoop do you do? So?
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: Just like every other time we've increased childcare subsidies because
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: childcare is becoming so expensive. What will then happen is
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: that the childcare centers will Jack there fees up again
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: so that the government has to fork out even more money.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: How can the Productivity Commission not see that it is
• 44:29
  Speaker 6: childcare subsidies that have been a large driver in childcare
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: costs going through the roof to the point where we're
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: now saying, well, some people need it completely free because
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: they simply cannot afford to go to work and have children.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: It's as simple as if said that's exactly what will happen.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Why, as we always say when this comes up, why
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: don't you scrap your universal daycare so the stake can
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: raise the kids and you force women back to work
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: to earn more of your tax payer dollars. Government, We
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: see you, We know exactly what you're doing. How about
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: you empower women to stay home. How about you give
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: them the option instead of free daycare, give them the
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: money so that they can be recognized for one of
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: the hardest and definitely the most important job on the
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: face of the planet, and that is raising their own children.
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: To the front page of the Career Mail Now. Olympics
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: boss questions Premier's stadium right size games call Brisbane, twenty
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: thirty two. Olympics boss Andrew Levers has pointedly questioned the
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: value of the Miles government's plans to spend one point
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: six billion on a temporary athletics arena at the old
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: QEII Stadium.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Well, this has gone from bad to worse, Like there
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: is literally not been.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: One smooth part of preparing for Brisbane twenty thirty two.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: To my knowledge.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Even the people in charge are like, yet, it's not
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: really happening, But we're trying and nothing's working and nobody
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: agrees with any recommendations except for us because we're covering
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: our butts.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's safe to say Scotland will be
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: hosting the Commonwealth Games in twenty twenty six and probably
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: the Olympic Games in twenty thirty two will be paying
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: for it.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: We're going to go to a break when we come back.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: A woman penalized for saying that dogs can't be gender fluid.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: That's coming up in just a second.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Well, pretty much every night on the Late Debate we
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: bring you a story of council stupidity, and each night
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: we think it'll never get worse than that, but every
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: night it does get worse.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And this is the worst one so far. It'll be
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: outdone tomorrow night.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: No doubt, but Cambridge County Council in the UK decided
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: to put on a forum for their LGBTQ plus employees
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: so they could discuss inclusion. But how many of you
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: know you can have a little too much inclusion. One
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: of the participants in this LGBTQ plus forum decided to
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: bring along his dashhound, a gender fluid dog dressed in
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: a dress. Well, one of the LGBTQ plus members of
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: this forum took exception, saying that she didn't believe in
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: gender fluid and certainly not in dashhounds.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Will.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Those participating in the forum complain that these comments were nasty, transphobic,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: and non inclusive. What's more, these comments were detrimental to
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: their mental health. Now remember these comments that dogs can't
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: be gender fluid. Their mental health was greatly affected. So
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: the council how did they react? They banned this woman
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: from further participation in the LGBTQ plus forum. Will She
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: sued the council at a tribunal and was awarded fifty
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: five thousand pounds because she suffered.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: For her quote gender critical beliefs.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: A council spokesperson, reflecting on the outcome of the case said,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: we strive to create a safe, inclusive and compassionate environment
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: for people to work in, and recognize this needs to
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: be balanced with everyone being entitled to express their own
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: views and beliefs, such as dogs are not gender fluid.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: We will reflect carefully on this final outcome, as well
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: as undertaking a review of our policies and peges accordingly.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: So I guess it's a win for common sense. But
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: dear Lord, you get kicked out of a forum for
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: saying a dog can't be gender fluid.
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: If I knew all I had to do to get
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: fifty five thousand quid would say dogs can't be gender fluid,
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: I would have done.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: It a long time ago.
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: But actually, what a great thing that we have seen here,
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: a decision by a tribunal that has upheld common sense.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: And part of me thinks if a case like.
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: This was run in Australia, you would expect the tribunal
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: to come back and actually side with the counsel and say,
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: I know dogs can be gender fluid. For heaven, say,
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: I'm actually flawed that the tribunals come back and said no,
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: this is wrong.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: So I love this quote from the lesbian social worker
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: Elizabeth Pitt, who was awarded the fifty five thousand pounds.
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: She said, let's hope that other employers will start to
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: learn that it's a bad idea to try to stop
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: lesbians asserting their boundaries and silent staff who know that
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: sex is real and sometimes matters. It does matter in
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: the case of transgender.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Do on that that's it from us. Stick around Coming
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: up in just a moment, it's the reader Penney show
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: h