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  Speaker 1: just p R O A n T. In tonight's episode
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  Speaker 1: of Disguise coverage, we will be diving into several Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: Bills training camp pieces. Now that Bill's camp is essentially,
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  Speaker 1: you know, complete with its first week roughly they had
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  Speaker 1: an off day on Saturday, but we're especially through the
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  Speaker 1: first week of Bills training camp. Have the scrimmage coming
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  Speaker 1: up this upcoming Friday. Before we know it, preseason football
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  Speaker 1: for the Bills will be right around the corner. There's
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  Speaker 1: also preseason football for the NFL this week Thursday. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it's the Hall of Fame game between the Chargers
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  Speaker 1: and I forget who else, But we have some semblance
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  Speaker 1: of football coming down the pike league wide, and even
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  Speaker 1: more so for the Bills coming up in a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks. And you know today, you know we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get through this throughout the show. But just a slew
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  Speaker 1: of different I was gonna say random, but it's not
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  Speaker 1: really random. A slew of injuries have hit this Bills team.
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  Speaker 1: We started out with some guys getting banged up or
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  Speaker 1: being already banged up coming into the start of training camp,
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  Speaker 1: not suiting up at all at this point. Then we've
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  Speaker 1: had guys who have you know, picked up some knocks
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  Speaker 1: throughout you know, the first week and coming into this week,
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  Speaker 1: and there's just been a slew guys going down, slew
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  Speaker 1: of injuries, both from a quantity perspective and from like
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  Speaker 1: a quality perspective in terms of the guys who are
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  Speaker 1: picking up these knocks and getting hurt in the variety
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  Speaker 1: of injuries that we've seen. So it's thrown some of
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  Speaker 1: the competitions and some of the reps, and some of
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  Speaker 1: the drills and some of the work and some of
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  Speaker 1: the performances that we've seen or read about into kind
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  Speaker 1: of a bit of a muddy situation. So we're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about that tonight, but overall we're going to
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  Speaker 1: frame that within the larger context of how this Bill's
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  Speaker 1: roster is starting to shape out one week into training camp,
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  Speaker 1: what we've seen from a competition perspective, what we've seen
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  Speaker 1: amongst several position groups of interests coming into camp and throughout.
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  Speaker 1: I have been to three practices as of today. Last
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  Speaker 1: one was this past Sunday. I'm looking to go again
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  Speaker 1: towards the back end of this week and attend the
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  Speaker 1: scrimmage as well. So a lot of what we will
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  Speaker 1: be going over tonight is based on my own individual
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  Speaker 1: valuations being there, seeing things live and in person, going
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  Speaker 1: over and then also tying together with some notes from
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  Speaker 1: some folks that I do trust, some people who've done
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  Speaker 1: some extra work and have been there every day, and
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  Speaker 1: me being able to piece some things together on the
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  Speaker 1: days that I haven't been there. And as always, as
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  Speaker 1: we are here on the show, any questions, thoughts, comments, concerns,
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  Speaker 1: anything you folks have, anything training camp related, or bills related,
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  Speaker 1: if there's anything on your mind, or if you have
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  Speaker 1: through it throughout this episode. Appreciate the people tuning in
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  Speaker 1: What's up? Charles? What's up? RJ? Who love this from
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  Speaker 1: RJRJ says, looking forward to another trip to One Pie
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  Speaker 1: again before the Blue and Red Scrimmage this Friday? RJ?
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to get the Cover one pizza again?
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  Speaker 1: The Cover one Josh Allen Goat? Or are you going
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  Speaker 1: to get something else? I need to know? Also, what
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  Speaker 1: did you think of the blue cheese? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you're a blue cheese guy or not, but one
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  Speaker 1: of my favorite pieces of what they do is their
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  Speaker 1: homemade blue cheese. I would like to know your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on that. I don't think I got your thoughts last time.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was just on the Alan Goat and
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  Speaker 1: how good it was, which is also fair. What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Blue Lou says, It's a good evening to have a
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  Speaker 1: good evening. Here's hoping our guys can get healthy in
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  Speaker 1: a hurry. One thousand percent and absolutely also shout out
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  Speaker 1: to you Lou, you are one of my more consistent
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  Speaker 1: supporters over on Blue Sky, and I enjoy being over there,
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  Speaker 1: so I appreciate you for that. Okay, Maury says, getting
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  Speaker 1: some sacrifices ready for my altar to heal the injured Bills. Yeah. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it's again. We're gonna get into it within these position
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  Speaker 1: groups and some of the pieces today in general, but
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  Speaker 1: it was I had a busy day at work today,
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  Speaker 1: but I was kind of tying in some pieces where
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  Speaker 1: I could on Bill's camp, and I felt like every
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  Speaker 1: I had a decent amount of time in the morning
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  Speaker 1: to kind of take a peek at some things, and
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  Speaker 1: I feel like every time I went back to look
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  Speaker 1: at something Bills related, it was like, oh, so and
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  Speaker 1: So just went down. So and So went down, up
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  Speaker 1: so and so is hurt, up so and So is
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  Speaker 1: in the medical tent. And that was on top of
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  Speaker 1: guys who have already missed days and already being injured.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's definitely put a bit of a damper on things,
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  Speaker 1: and we're seeing injuries league wide across the league. But
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  Speaker 1: I do feel like again, as is not tradition, but
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  Speaker 1: as his customary went with the started training camp but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the Bills are really towards the top
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  Speaker 1: of the league in terms of quality or quantity, but
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  Speaker 1: also guys that have been hurt as well. Roy says,
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  Speaker 1: are you cool with Gunther being World championing? And Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think gun Thro is fantastic. I was a huge
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  Speaker 1: fan of him back when he was still known as Walter,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm just happy that I didn't think he would
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  Speaker 1: ever be a guy that would get a shine or
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  Speaker 1: or proper run in WW because of what he looked like,
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  Speaker 1: even though I thought he was an awesome wrestler. But
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  Speaker 1: they've done a great job kind of pushing him to
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  Speaker 1: the moon a bit. I really hope he doesn't lose
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  Speaker 1: the punk because I cannot stand punk. I also I
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  Speaker 1: keep track of WWE. I don't really watch it because
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  Speaker 1: of I don't the n ring week to week doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really do enough for me. I like aw Moore and
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  Speaker 1: New Japan because they treat it more like the sport
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  Speaker 1: of professional wrestling. But yes, I am very much cool
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  Speaker 1: with Gunther. I think he's absolutely tremendous come in here.
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  Speaker 1: With how long it's taking, I think it's not as
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  Speaker 1: bad as it could be. That's fair because if it was,
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  Speaker 1: they'd know immediately. No, that's fair with some of the injuries, right,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a fair point because if they if
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  Speaker 1: they know, or if they knew immediately, it would be bad.
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  Speaker 1: Like oh so, and so it's done, especially with the
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  Speaker 1: Hairston pieces kind of like you know, you're seeing them
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  Speaker 1: check the stability of the knee, but there's no definitive yep,
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  Speaker 1: he tore his acl and so there is a fair
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  Speaker 1: point that kind of waiting and knowing there is building
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  Speaker 1: that anticipation and anxiety. But also it could potentially be
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  Speaker 1: a good thing because if it was definitive, usually it's
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  Speaker 1: more towards the negative side. So that's a fair point.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, and then the gold bills from Korea,
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  Speaker 1: we're global out here like that, like that, like that.
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  Speaker 1: RJ says. Probably the Meat Lover's pizza they have next
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  Speaker 1: their blue cheese was phenomenal. I'm a huge blue cheese guy.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, Oh, Lou says, anything I could do to
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  Speaker 1: help out here in the PNW, Yeah, the Pacific Northwest.
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  Speaker 1: Super proud of the Mafia for showing up well in
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  Speaker 1: Seattle last year, by the way, Absolutely good call, RJE says, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: these injuries are destroying our collective mental health. It felt
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  Speaker 1: like every five minutes there was another name, especially with
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  Speaker 1: how this team. They were so healthy early on in
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  Speaker 1: the McDermott and being tenure, and then I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the last several years they haven't had a ton of
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  Speaker 1: injuries from a volume perspective, but it felt like important
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  Speaker 1: guys kept getting hurt. And then it felt like they
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  Speaker 1: turned the corner again with Spencer Brown being healthy and
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  Speaker 1: now he comes into camp banged up after having an
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  Speaker 1: already like injury filled start to his career, and it's
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  Speaker 1: the back again, which is also scary. It's tough. Connor says,
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  Speaker 1: I'm numb and can't be brought down by injury news
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  Speaker 1: since Malana last year. That's fair, good comment. R J says,
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  Speaker 1: aaw over WW at least from my own personal style
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  Speaker 1: of wrestling, I like, I completely agree. That's just kind
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  Speaker 1: of the style like gravitate towards I gravitate towards the
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  Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, New Japan indie type of wrestling style
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  Speaker 1: and peak peak wrestling for me, I don't know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember what the years were, but peak wrestling for
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  Speaker 1: me is New Japan pro wrestling from like twenty twelve,
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirteen through like twenty nineteen, like wrestling will never
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  Speaker 1: in ring wrestling will like never be better for me
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  Speaker 1: in that point. And that's just the style like gravitate
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  Speaker 1: towards and I think AW is built in that mold. Ironically,
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  Speaker 1: they have a lot of New Japan guys and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of ring on Hunter guys. But yeah, man, that
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  Speaker 1: especially with what a aw's do now, absolutely cooking. Who yeah, absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: Roy says, I've heard some saying that White meaning tray Away,
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  Speaker 1: has looked really good in camp and others saying he's
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  Speaker 1: showing his age and then the little thoughtful kind of emoji.
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  Speaker 1: What's your take parentheses opinion. We're gonna lead off with
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  Speaker 1: Trey White and the cornerback position grouping, so that's an
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  Speaker 1: excellent segue. Roy also says, I don't watch wrestling anymore,
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  Speaker 1: just kept some highlight reels on YouTube. Yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I do for WWAW. I watch regularly, New Japan I
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  Speaker 1: watch regularly as well. So let us dive into this
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  Speaker 1: first piece. Okay, got the header and the banner up
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  Speaker 1: there that says Bill's training camp position battles. So the
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  Speaker 1: comment there from RJ asking about Trey White, and that's
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  Speaker 1: the first position I want to lead off with here
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  Speaker 1: in specific in specifically referencing Trey White, but the cornerback
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  Speaker 1: position in general. I think it is an absolute dog fight.
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  Speaker 1: And I want to preface this by mentioning the injury
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  Speaker 1: piece to Max Harrison. Again, Max Harrison, if you are unaware,
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  Speaker 1: went down in practice today Tuesday, July twenty ninth, went
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  Speaker 1: down non contact injury. Multiple players reporter multiple reporters mentioned
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  Speaker 1: that player as saying it was like a freak kind
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  Speaker 1: of trip up. But anytime you see non contact, anytime
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  Speaker 1: it's non contact and someone is grabbing at their ankle,
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  Speaker 1: anytime it's non contact, if someone's grabbing at their ankle
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  Speaker 1: or their knee, it's not ideal. He goes down non contact.
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  Speaker 1: Trainers are working on his knee. They're doing the old
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  Speaker 1: stability test with his knee, which is usually you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to check, you know, as the meniscus intact, is the
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  Speaker 1: ACL intact. All things that are not ideal. Now, he
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  Speaker 1: was carried kind of walked off, carried off a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't heard anything definitive or conclusive about that as of now,
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  Speaker 1: but you've got the injury to Max Harriston. Aside from that,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to treat this like, Hey, until we know
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  Speaker 1: that Harston's done or is going to miss time, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to treat it like, you know, he'll be back eventually.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to treat this like the battle that it is.
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  Speaker 1: I do think Trey White has looked good in camp
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  Speaker 1: and even to the I thought he would be a
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  Speaker 1: fine CB three, right. I thought, you know, his experience
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  Speaker 1: in the system, his skill set, his traits. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he had some flashes on tape last year. I know
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  Speaker 1: someone might jump in and be like, what do you
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  Speaker 1: mean flashes? Like he got cut by the Rams, he
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  Speaker 1: was like a dime corner for the Ravens. I thought
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  Speaker 1: there was still some encouraging pieces for him last year
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  Speaker 1: on the tape, and I think Trey again coming back
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  Speaker 1: from the injuries that he's coming back from. I do
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  Speaker 1: think it's this weird kind of trying to almost catch
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  Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle a bit. I feel like with each
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  Speaker 1: passing year that he stays healthy, he gets further away
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  Speaker 1: from those injuries and has the potential to get healthier
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  Speaker 1: and get better. But also another year is another year older,
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  Speaker 1: potentially more miles on the tires. You're kind of losing
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  Speaker 1: some of your juice and your speed and your quickness.
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  Speaker 1: So it's this weird, almost kind of like No man
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  Speaker 1: Land situation that he's caught in. And I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: what completely to expect from him coming into camp, but
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  Speaker 1: right from the jump, you know, seeing him on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: seeing so on day one Wednesday, on day two, on Thursday,
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  Speaker 1: and then I saw him again on Sunday on day four.
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  Speaker 1: Just good short area burst, good juice, good lower body movement.
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  Speaker 1: He looked. And I want to also preface this too.
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  Speaker 1: You folks know how superstich as I am. Major major
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  Speaker 1: fingers crossed and no jinks with everything positive that I
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  Speaker 1: say in this episode, also in general, that should be
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  Speaker 1: a blanket rule and statement for the show going forward.
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  Speaker 1: But the biggest thing for me with Trey is I
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  Speaker 1: thought he looked healthy. He was moving like he was healthy,
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  Speaker 1: especially in his lower body. The footwork, the hit movement, planting,
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  Speaker 1: change of direction, being able to you know, break down
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  Speaker 1: and twist and turn everything. This did not look like
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  Speaker 1: someone who had multiple significant lower body injuries, which was
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  Speaker 1: tremendous to hear and what also I think helps for
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  Speaker 1: him at this stage in his career. He was never
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  Speaker 1: a guy whose game was predicated on speed and athleticism.
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  Speaker 1: He was never a pitcher that well, man, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he throws like ninety nine miles an hour with that fastball,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't really have a second or third pitch. But man,
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  Speaker 1: he'd throw the heat, and that heat is hard to hit,
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  Speaker 1: and so it wasn't like, well, yeah, but once he
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  Speaker 1: gets to his late twenties early thirties and he's only
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  Speaker 1: throwing ninety four or ninety three, is he going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to last. He's always been more of a
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  Speaker 1: guy who he had a second pitch, He had a
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  Speaker 1: third pitch, He had a fourth pitch, like he could.
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  Speaker 1: He was a good pitcher. He was somebody who won
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  Speaker 1: off of technique, off of footwork, off of body position
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  Speaker 1: and leverage and hand placement, and being able to read
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  Speaker 1: route distributions and function within his you know, zone coverage
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  Speaker 1: responsibilities and assignments, being able to collect, being able to
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  Speaker 1: pass off, even being able to function a man in
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  Speaker 1: a variety of ways. He was such a technique based
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  Speaker 1: player that I think his skill set ages gracefully. Now
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  Speaker 1: you can also be play devil's advocate and play the
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  Speaker 1: other side and say, yeah, but you know what, if
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  Speaker 1: you're not the most athletic dude, or you're not the fastest,
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  Speaker 1: as you get older, you're only going to get more
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  Speaker 1: on athletic and less fast. So you know where does
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  Speaker 1: that kind of fall into things? Which is a fair point.
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  Speaker 1: But I do think before the injuries happened, and those
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  Speaker 1: are variables, obviously they're thrown into it. I always thought
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  Speaker 1: he had a skill set that would age gracefully because again,
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  Speaker 1: he was the type of pitcher who could pitch. He
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  Speaker 1: was like a Greg Maddox type of pitcher, Like you've
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  Speaker 1: got four or five quality pitches you can throw. You're
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  Speaker 1: not predicated on pure power. It's built on location and
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  Speaker 1: technique and keeping hitters off balance. I thought he would
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  Speaker 1: age well. He's looked good in camp to start now,
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  Speaker 1: independent of what Harston has done or what he's been
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  Speaker 1: or the injury, I thought Trey has looked good multiple
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  Speaker 1: really good coverage reps in terms of passing off and
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  Speaker 1: collecting some really good man coverage reps. He's battled, he's
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  Speaker 1: been in phase, he's been sticky. I know he got
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  Speaker 1: beat during camp today. At one point by Steven Gosnell.
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  Speaker 1: I know there's even a couple other times too. I
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  Speaker 1: saw him get beat at times in coverage. I think
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  Speaker 1: a key piece. Also, I want to put this out
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  Speaker 1: there and I'm not knocking anyone. I'm not gatekeeping anything.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not doing any of that something. And this is
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  Speaker 1: kind of related to Trey, but also just related to
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  Speaker 1: coverage and receive pieces in general. Take everything with a
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  Speaker 1: grain of assault. Whenever you see like, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so and so caught a pass and they beat so
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  Speaker 1: and so on the play, unless it's pure man coverage,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's tough to discern who's getting quote unquote beat
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  Speaker 1: on the play. Somebody might be the nearest defender to
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  Speaker 1: the target catching the pass, and that defender might not
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  Speaker 1: be responsible for that receiver being open or that tight
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  Speaker 1: end being open or whoever. So keep that in mind.
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  Speaker 1: The nearest defender doesn't always mean and that's usually how
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  Speaker 1: it gets tracked. Right. If Christian Benford is close the
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: closest guy to Kean Coleman, and ke On Coleman makes
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: the catch, someone's gonna be like, oh, you know, catch
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: by Keon Coleman beat Christian Benford on the play. Coleman
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: might not have been Benford's assignment or responsibility on that play.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: He just ended up being the closest guy in that
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: picture when somebody realized, oh hey Keon Coleman made a catch,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: oh and Benford was right there. He must have beat Benford.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Tayso always take those notes with a grain of assaut
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: when it comes into camp. People I don't think aren't
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: necessarily looking at the coverage or knowing the cover, being
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: able to discern, okay, this is what so and so
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: was supposed to do that. You know that guy that
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: got opened was really someone else's responsibility, or there was
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: a coverage bus so on and so forth. I kind
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: of just want to put that out there. But yeah,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Trey has looked good again. It was the short area
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: bursting quickness for me that really did it. Him being
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: able to cover whip routes and you know, stops and
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: hitches and being able to be in his pedal and
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: slow play it and then just trigger and shoot. I
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't expecting that level of short area burst in quickness,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: whether it was just from the age thing or the injuries,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: or just how he always kind of was as a player.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting yet. I thought he has looked good.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: We'll see how Max Harriston's health goes up until this point,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: you know, prior to the injury, I thought Harriston had
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: some really good high highs. He also had some low lows.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: There was, you know, the nice PBu on day one,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: but he also gets that PBu because he kind of
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: gets beaten inside a little bit, but he has the
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: recovery speed to recover and get the PBu. Right before that,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: he had a really nice break on the ball where
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: he almost had an interception on the side line against
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel. I think quarterback just fit the ball in there.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: But then he's also had some coverage bus He's also
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: had some mistakes, which again I think is par for
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the course for rookies in general, but especially corners. I
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: think corner is one of the hardest positions to play
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: in all of football. It's just so tough, especially in
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: today's NFL and the type of dudes you have to
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: cover in the variety of coverages you have to execute,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: especially the defense like the Bills, where they're trying to
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: build out all these adjustments and checks and being assignment
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: sound based on motion and alignment and shifts and all
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But I wanted to mention these
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: two and kind of lead off with this one because
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: obviously the injury to Hairston is notable today and we'll
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: see what that yields. But two, I thought Trey has
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: looked good, and I've seen a lot of people kind
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: of knocking Trey looking good, or maybe I should say
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Tray looking better than Hairston and conflating that with that
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: meaning Hairston sucks, and that meaning that, like the bills
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: are cooked you quot unquot. Everybody loves to use that
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: phrase nowadays, But the bills are cooked because Tray is
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: old and washed. So if Tray looks like he's gonna
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: be CB two, that means the bill CB two competition
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: sucks because Trey has to suck. I don't think that's
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the case at all. I don't think Trey looking good
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and performing well in camp and being written about positively
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: across the board. I don't think that's due to nostalgia.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's due to Hairston looking bad or
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: anybody else looking bad. Trey has legitimately looked good as
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a CB two and it helps that opposite him is
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Christian Benford or whoever's gonna play CB two. Opposite of
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: them is Christian Benford, who's a true CB one at
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: this point and gives you a lot of flexibility and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: firepower at that CB one spot. But Tray has looked good,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: and the better Tray looks, that does not mean Harston
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: looks worse. I Again, I thought Harston, even on day
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: one and day two, for as good as Tray looked,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I thought Hairston was. I thought Harston had higher highs
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: than Trey. He just unfortunately had lower lows. And again,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: considering Trey's experience, his familiarity with this defense, it makes
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: sense that someone like him is going to come in
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and just be consistent and ready at that spot. You're
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: not going to have those ebbs and flows, those peaks
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and valleys that a rookie would, especially one like Max Harston,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: who does play more to the athleticism and the juice
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: than he does to the technique and the polish and
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the refinement. So they're two different types of players, both
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: operating in different ways. But I think Tray has looked
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: good him and Harston day one and day two. Trey
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: got the lion's share of CB two reps with the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: ones Harston got worked in there a bit. I would
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: say the first two days was probably like sixty forty
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: in favor of Trey. Day four, when I was there
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: in camp, I think it was further than that. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: would say it's probably like eighty twenty in favor of Trey. So,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: regardless of the injury, I think Trey is the front
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: runner for CB two right now, starting with the ones
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: starting on this defense opposite of Christian Benford. That does
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: not mean Harriston can't get better. Doesn't mean Harriston won't
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: eventually beat him out or overtake him. It doesn't mean
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Trey is bad. That doesn't mean Harston is bad. All
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: these negativity pieces and things that I've seen, I don't
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: think it means any of that. I think Tray has
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: looked good. I don't think this means, of course, because
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: McDermott doesn't play rookies, all these added conclusions that are
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: jumped to off of this one thing, I do not
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: think that's the case. I genuinely think Tray has look good.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens when the bullets are live, right,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in preseason. We'll see what happens
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in regular season. I think that's obviously a key piece.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Camp will only tell us so much. You know, once
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: pads start really popping and bullets are live, will we'll
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: start to get a better picture of the team in
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: general and the players in general. But again, I've seen
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of knocks on you know, Tray looking good
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: or him beating Harriston meaning that that's bad. I think again,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Tray's looked good. His fit it makes sense, and he
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: can push or beat out a healthy Max Harriston because
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: he offers more consistency, his meek is more sound, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: then he looks good physically on top of it, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: his familiarity with the defense everything. So I think Tray
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: has looked very good. We'll see what Harriston's hell. Again,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: this whole conversation could be moot because if Harston toward
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: his ACL or he had something serious, Trey is going
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: to be your CB two and everything else really doesn't matter.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: What I also wanted to mention within the Trey and
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Harriston conversation cornerback in general, I think is going to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: be a dog fight for making this team. You know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: you've got Harriston, You've got Trey, You've got Dane Jackson,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: You've got Dornian Strong, you've got JaMarcus Ingram, You've and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: JaMarcus Ingram had a tremendous interception on on Sunday in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: in a Vacuum. If I'm talking about like the best
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: plays of training camp or maybe even the best play,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: that interception from JaMarcus Ingram really is up there for me.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: They were playing cover three. He's got his deep third responsibility.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: The quarterback tried to fit it into the seam. He
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: read it, triggered, undercut it, jumped it, picked it. It
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: was such a really great and I like the type
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of player that he is. He's got inside outside versatility.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: We saw him get some dime looks with the starters
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: last year when Taron Johnson was banged up to start
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the year. Even someone like that like JaMarcus Ingram is
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the guys that quote unquote towards
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the depth chart. He's still somebody that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: can play and he's really good on special teams. I
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: know everybody hates hearing that, but that does have value.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: So between Dane and Strong and Ingram and even Daikwon Hardy,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: You've got cam Lewis, You've got Jordan Hancock. Like, there
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: is a lot of competition for the outside corner spots,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: for the nickel spot, the backups, the roles. I really
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: do think corner is an absolute dogfight. It is one
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of the positions I will have my eyes on most
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: when I'm watching tape this preseason. You know, even during
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the scrimmage this Friday, every day that I'm at camp
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: going forward, corner really is an absolute dogfight. And if
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Harston is out for any type of significant time, it
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: just bumps everybody up on that depth chart, a spot up,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and it just creates more competition. It probably creates another
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: opportunity for somebody to make the roster, but it creates
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: more competition because now Trey moves to CB two. So
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: then who's CB three? Is it Dame Jackson? Is it
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Dorny and Strong? Is it JaMarcus Ingram? Is it somebody else?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Does cam Lewis have the nickel spot on lock? What
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: do you get from Jordan Hancock? Is he the nickel?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Is he? You know he's also getting some work at safety.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I really like that to Corey Couch. I know this
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: is a small one and it may be just because
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I'm a Miami Hurricanes guy. I really like to Corey
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Couch getting some look at safety. I'm really excited to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: see him work at safety, just with the type of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: physicality that he brings. I don't think he has the
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: juice and the chops to play slot and play corner
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: in the NFL like he did at Miami. I think
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: safety could be a really good fit for him. Like
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: they've got all these fun dbs, even in the safety
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: room to a degree as well, but really at the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: corner spot outside and inside it outside CB and at Nickel,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it's an absolute dog fight at corner, one of the
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: best position battles that I think it's going to only
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: intensify as we go forward, as we start to see
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: preseason games, we start to see the scrimmage and again
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: on camp every day, like even though the receivers have
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: been banged up a bit, which is unfortunate because you're
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: not really getting good on good all the time like
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you'd like to see corner even at the top, you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I think Trey and Harriston is a microcosm for that
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: corner grouping as a whole, which just being an absolute
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: dogfight at that spot to absolutely make this team. Charles says, love,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: love Trey, but I'd be concerned if he's a Day
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: one starter. If the Bills want to play more man
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: on D it doesn't really mesh with his strengths. We're
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: gonna have to see how he handles and carries himself
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: in man, right. And I also don't think I don't
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: think they're going to be a team that's going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: predominantly play man. I do think he has enough chops
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: that he can play man to the level that they
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: want to play it. I don't again, I think they're
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: gonna use more man coverage in high leverage situations in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: more specific areas. I don't think they're gonna be a
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: team that goes from I figure what their rage was
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: last year, but if their range was ten percent man
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: last year, I don't think they're going to jump up
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: to twenty. I think maybe you could see like fifteen
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: sixteen at the most, which is still a good percentage
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: point increase, but I think you'll see it more and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you know, on third downs or maybe in certain red
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: zone situations or maybe against certain looks. Also, again, because
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: you've got Benford on the other side. It allows you
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to do different coverage things and a lot of split
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: field stuff. You can play man to one side with Benford,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: you can play zone to the other and still be competent.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Or you know, the type of man coverage you can
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: play doesn't necessarily have to be single high. If you
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: play two man, which is man coverage, or two safeties
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: over the top, Trey can do that all day because
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: he can reroute a bit and get into a trail technique,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and if he has a safety over the top, I think,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I think that can still get the job done.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And then even if we're getting into other things, the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: odd mirror pieces and rushing three in the aggressive spy,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I do think he's capable enough. I don't think he's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: going to be a plus defender and man coverage, but
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I think he can do enough to get it done
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that it's not going to significantly hinder the defense. Also,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: on top of that, Harriston may have the juice and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the athleticism and the traits that you'd like for man coverage,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have a ton of experience in it. For
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: as much as the talk is like his speed and
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: athleticism and juice and recovery, speed and everything. He was
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: predominantly his own corner. In Kentucky. They ran a ton
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of single high, a lot of Cover three, so he's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: used to playing more off coverage and more zone than
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: he is man. His man coverage stuff needs more polished
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and needs more refinement. So Harriston may be the guy
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: that you see that speed and you're like, oh, that's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a man coverage guy all day, but he's not really
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: a man coverage corner yet at this point in terms
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of a confidence level from from me and my evaluation.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: But teach their own. But I recognize where it's coming from. Charles.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I love this coming from Lewis as I'm not superstit
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: just a little stitches and he says Trey has always
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: had enough speed and athleticism to do the things, but
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: it was never what he had to lean on to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: get the job done. Yeah, those guys tend to age
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: gracefully a bit. Judah loves slock Corners also recognize you
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: from Blue Sky. Thank you for being in the comments.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: What's up? I went to camp the other day and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: it looked like Trey was ahead of Max. Max's reps
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: were pretty up and down. Yep, I concur I thought
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Max had some reps where I was like, ooh, that's nice,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and then I had some ones where I was like, oh,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: that's not good. But for me, that's nothing crazy because
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that I kind of expect that from rookies in general,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: but especially a corner. Corner is super hard to play
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: like in the NFL. It's just really, really, really tough. Oh,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: James says Trey has regained his fastball. I like you
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: continuing the metaphor or whatever, Alec, No, what am I
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: thinking of here? I don't know something along line's metaphor.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I'm losing my literary terms of my brain. I'm fried,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: but I get what you're putting down, James, and I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: like it. Lusas Sometimes I worry that Elam scrambled our
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: collective brains. I think that's fair. John says two years ago,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Trey and Benford were starting CBS to open the season
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: and everyone was terrified of Benford playing like comes at
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you fast. That it's fair. Roy says, I'll take Trey
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: over FN Dane Jackson. I think Dane got a bit
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: of a harsh rep when he was here. But I
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: think that's a fair point, James says, depending on Max's
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: injury is a good question. Do you think Bean looks
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: for someone outside the team? I don't because I think
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: they're rightly or wrongly. I think they're comfortable and confident
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: with Trey being CB two, Dane being three, or JaMarcus
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Ingram being three and them cobbling together a top four.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: I could see them doing something like reaching out to
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Rasoul Douglas or somebody who they liked from a culture
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: standpoint and from a high floor standpoint. But there's not
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: really a lot of corners out there, unless like the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: corner market for example, like a Sante Samuel Junior is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: still out there, but he had neck surgery in April,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: so he's a guy that's like it's just wonky out
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: there on the corner market. I think they would look internal,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: if not, like make a call to Rastul Douglas and
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: kind of go from there. Maybe outside outside outside chance.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: This one's mainly for Joda Rosa outside outside chances to
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: find Gilmore, but I doubt it. Roy similar comment. If
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: there are anycb's available and free and see your trade,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: not really at this point, I still would take a
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: flyer on a Sante Samuel Junior because I love his
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: game and the way he fits, but I don't know
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: how healthy his neck is, and the fact that he's
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: still on the open market given his talent level, it's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: got to be due to the neck and the surgery,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and that gives me big pause for concern, especially considering
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: we're already dealing with injuries now at this point. Rockvile says,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Ingram is like Mark Jinjack Mark Jingjerracks Verse has versatility
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: with the right booking in WCW and WWE, and then
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: goes to CMLL and crushes nice reference. I know that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: this is Drew all day because Drew is such a
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: huge wrestling fan. I like this. I'm seeing multiple comments
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a multiple people who mentioned Rasul Douglas and so yeah,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna pull up those comments relating to it. Yeah,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I could see them calling him and kind of being like, hey, man,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you want to come be like CB four or CB three. Oh,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: this is a fair comment from rj Rte says Ifane
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Jackson not necessarily the beginning part, but he says, if
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Dane Jackson was in place of Kyrie in the AFC
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Championship Game, we may actually win that game. Jackson isn't good,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: but he isn't bad either. I think that's such a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: good way to put it. Dane Jackson. For me, I
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: think he's just a high floor player. There's no great ceiling,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: there's not a tony sexiness. I mean, he was one
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: of the few I forget how many because it was
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: so many years ago. He was on a short list
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: of corners that had double digit PBUs his last year
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: as a starter with the Bills, and that was on
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: top of being in phase and not getting other pass
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: breakups that everybody like ripped him for. So yeah, I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: think that's I think that's fair. Another position I want
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: to talk about here in terms of camp position battles.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: This one a little lighter in terms of the conversation safety.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: I've talked about it so much on the show throughout
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: this offseason and even on last week's episode with Joe
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Marino Taylor Rapp. I think is locked into a safety spot.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: The other safety spot. It looks like it's Cole Bishop's
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: job to lose. I don't think Bishop has done necessarily
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: anything tremendous yet to say, oh yeah, he's locked out spot.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he's done anything to lose it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: DeMar Hamlin has also gotten some reps with the Ones,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: so is Derek Forrest. But it looks like it's going
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: to be a pairing of Cole Bishop and Taylor Rap.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think Bishop would really have to fall off a
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: cliff or throw up on himself to lose that job.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And he's done a couple of things that I thought
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: were nice, a couple of late safety spins and rotation
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: showing the athleticism, you know, blowing up some receivers as
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: a forced player, and kind of working through some things
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: on some screens, kind of n routes the flat. But
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I expect it to be Rap and Bishop. It looks like,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: again it's Bishop's job to lose, which we expect to
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: going into camp. He's really gonna have to fall off
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: a cliff to lose it. But we have seen some
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: other safeties get work with the ones, So just putting
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: that out there. Another one that I think is interesting.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: R J loves the marchin Jack comparison. I knew you'd
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: like that. Ji. You're probably one of the few people
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: in the chat who knows who Mark chin Jack is,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: who's his partner Sean O'Hare right. It was gin Jack
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: and O'Hare right, most horrible at saying jin drack. That's
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: such a ton twister. Good comment from Roy. Roy says,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: which is better at deep safety, Rapper Bishop, It's tough
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: some kind of speak out of both sides of my mouth,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: both kind of Rap is a better processor who takes
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: better angles to the football. Bishop isn't as good of
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a processor, but he's more athletic and has more range,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: and has more better juice and has more better juice
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: and has better juice and athleticism to make plays. But
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: if you don't have the processing and the angles to
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: the ball, all that athleticism and juice isn't necessarily the
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: most valuable for what it's worth. Early on in camp,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: when they've been going to single high safety looks, Bishop
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: has been the single high post safety and both Cover
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: one and Cover three. We started to see that tweak
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit going forward, but Bishop has predominantly been
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the deep safety, whether that's going to happen and stay
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: come regular season or if they're just trying to get
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: him a ton of time on task in that realm
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: now because he doesn't have a lot of time on
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: task and the realm we'll see, But it's tough. I
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: in an ideal world, Bishop is your post safety or
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: your deep safety from a single high perspective, but it's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: also again it's tough because he's got to make He's
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: got to be there from a processing and an angle standpoint
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: and a reading of the game standpoint. But he's also
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: more athletic to man cover tight ends and running backs
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: close to the line of scrimmage than Rap is, so
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: it's a bit wonky. And then from a split field look,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: I think both are fine. From a split field perspective,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Rap has still proven time and time again that he
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: can function from a coverage world and from a run
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: fit world as a deep safety and a too high look.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm I'm not, you know, worried about the two
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: high pieces, but single high, it's it's a little a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: little of B like six and one a half a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: dozen of the other. Even to what loose is here,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Probably gonna gotta say Rap for now simply because he's
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: done the job at the NFL level. But both in
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: neither that's exactly right. That ye, both, but also neither. Yeah,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that's where we're at. Another competition again. So I know
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: there's several position battles and competitions across the roster, but
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on corner. I wanted to touch
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: on safety briefly. And then one that I think is
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: really interesting is tight end Dawson Knox placed on the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: non football injury list to start training camp, which essentially
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: means he got hurt working out on his own. I
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: think he tweets his hamstring working out or doing something,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: so we have not seen him in camp at all.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: So he's been out every day and then Kincaid missed
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: a day. That has given Zach Davidson and Jackson Hawes
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of reps with the ones. Even Reggie Gilliam
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: as well, who's gotten work as a tight end. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you know, in added looks where maybe they were going
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: to be able to go twelve but instead they're going
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to go twenty one personnel and put Gilliam out on
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the field. But kind of focusing on Hawes a lot
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: of reps with the ones for him, his blocking has
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: really stood out. I noted it each almost each day
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: in practice, like just it sounds different when he hits
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: pads an individual and in drills like he's got pop
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: in his hands and some shock. He really like looks
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: to hit and latch onto guys and drive and people move.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And then you see it in the team portions as well.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I noted especially him, him and Reggie Gilliam front side
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: on run blocks. They're just people moving all day and
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: creating displacement, both at the at the first level on
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: the defensive line and then climbing up to the second level.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: They are just creating alleys and gaps for running backs
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to run through. Like Hawes is really just a prototypical
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: you want to run zone to his side, you want
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to run duo. You know, well you're always run to
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: do to the tight end side, but you know you
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: want him as the tight end on du well, whether
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: he's in line or even as an insert guy. Just
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he's done a really good job blocking. And the thing
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that I want to keep mentioning, I don't think Jackson
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Hawes is a plus, you know, receiving threat as a
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: tight end. I don't think he's Sam Laporta. I don't
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: think he's Tray McBride. I don't think you know, he's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: not dealing. Okay, he's not even Dawson knox right. I
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: don't think he has that, but he is functional and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: athletic enough, with enough you know, explosive type of movements
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: that he can be a pass catch threat from zero
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: to ten yards. You can send him on a little
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: drag route. You can send him on a you know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: an OTB route over the ball, or a sit route
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. You can put him
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: on a little you know, a little dig in the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: in the low intermediate. He is not some you know, cumbersome,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: you know, feet moving like they're stuck in cement bricks
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: type of tight end. Even though he is a blocking
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: first guy and more of a physical presence than he
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: is an athletic presence, he can move enough to be
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: a threat as a pass catcher. I really like what
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: he's shown. I'm very excited to see him in the preseason.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Alex Barraski, UH Beat reporter, did a really nice piece today,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I think for Sports Illustrated where he spoke to Connor McGovern,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and Connor McGovern had multiple comments about Spender oh so
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: close to not saying Spencer Hawes Jackson Hawes. Brasky did
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: a piece and Connor McGovern spoke multiple times on how
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: good of a blocker Jackson Hawes has been in the
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: difference that he's made, And again, as was foretold in
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the prophecy, everybody and their mother was like, man, what
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: could he bring as a blocker? It's can be really
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: interesting to see him in this offense. But while I
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: think he has shown that potential in that capability and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: tight ends, coach Rob Boris has been doing a lot
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: of work with him, constantly coaching him up, praising him
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: when he needs it, but constantly giving him feedback to improve.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I really do expect him to make this team a
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: tight end three, and I do expect him to be
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: used in packages more so than Quinton Morris was, and
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: even maybe to supplement the loss of a mac Collins
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: and give them some functionality in certain looks and packages,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: formations and alignments that you might not be able to
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: get with Dalton Kincaid as the second tight end there.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: But the big thing for me, again, while all that
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is understood and kind of the bar is set there,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I do think he's someone underrated as a pass catcher. Again,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: not underrated in the terms of like, oh no, everybody's
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: sleeping on him. This is a thousand yard tight end
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: waiting in the wings. But he is someone that can
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: get out to the flat, can leak out, can run
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a drag and potentially run away from some guys. And
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: then because he is a bigger dude, he can break
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: an arm tackler too and kind of get forward a
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: little bit. So he's just not just some well he's
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: a statue and he's a run blocking guy only I
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: don't think he's this dual threat tight end, but he's
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: a plus plus run blocker and he's functional enough as
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: a pass catcher that you can go into twelve personnel
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: and he can still be a threat and allow you
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: to live in the light and the dark and access
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: more of that menu without having to turn the page.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: So those are the big position battles for me. Corner
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: starting at the top with Harston and Trey, but overall
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: just gonna be an absolute dogfight. Safety looks like it's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Bishop's job to lose and then tight end, and even
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Davidson has shown some flashes as well. I just think
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: his skill set he's more like Dalton Kincaid light and
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I think that is already a role that is a
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: bit unique. He's a better blocker than Kinkaid probably so.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: I just think it makes things a little wonky for him.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: But he's been getting a lot of opportunity and again
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: as has Regie Gilliam, which I am very very very
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: excit for. Loosays how we always have seventeen tight ends
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I want to carry on. The fifty three is beyond me.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Roy says, would you say that Hawes is more of
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: a throwback tight end? Yeah, I would say he's more
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: of the kind of you you're more traditional, like inline
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: type of tight end, guy who can move on a
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: double team with a tackle and you know, move a
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: defensive end or an edge player, climb up to the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: second lever, lever, climb up to the second level and
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: seal a linebacker absolutely murk a safety or a corner
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: or a nickel. Yeah. I do think he's more of
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: a throwback type tight end. But he does have enough
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: athleticism too. He's again he's not like a full spread
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: tight end, but he can do enough where in today's NFL,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: where offenses are trying to go condensed and they're trying
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: to access as much of the play calling menu without
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: having to turn the page as possible, I do think
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: he's a good fit for modern football, even though he
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: is more of a throwback type tight end, if that
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Loo says they may not be said see
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: but Tyler Conklin's are fine. That is true comment IRVN
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Rockbolt saying Hawes reminds me of Nate Geary. Great on
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the radio, but can come in and hold for field
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: goals if you need him, But I'd rather have him
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: on the radio. Yeah. I was there to see it
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: live and in person between Reid Ferguson and Nate Geary,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: five years worth of trash talking and taunts coming to Fruition.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It was fantastic. Charles says I want to see more
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: screen game two running backs and tight ends, especially Knox
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: very fair. John says is Hawes better than Lee Smith?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen him take a real NFL snap yet,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: so I always want to say, with a grain of salt,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I do think he's more of a pass catching threat.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I think he's got a little more explosion to him
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: than Lee Smith. And yeah, I think he's a bit
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: more of a mall er, so I would say so, yes,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: But again, he's never taken an NFL staff yet, so
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: we'll kind of see. I have not seen, Lou. I
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: see your question here. I have not noticed too much.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: I'm going through some of my notes now. Yeah, No,
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen too much. For Kelly. I never even
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: try to pronounce the last name because I can never
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: get it correct. But no, honestly, I haven't seen much
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: from a wide receiver perspective in general throughout camp. We
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: have somebody that number to talk about as we go forward.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: But to your point, I know he's super buried and done.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: The roster shuffle. We'll see in the preseason. There's going
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to be an opportunity for a lot of these receivers
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: to show out a little bit in the preseason, so
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: we'll see. Lou says, Hey, that in and of itself
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: is an answer. Yeah, receiver. I went in being like, oh,
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I want to see receivers. Ironically or maybe not, I
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: was super annoyed. Usually wide receiver corner one on ones
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: are on that first Sunday. They weren't. They were yesterday
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: on Monday, so I missed it, which annoyed the hell
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: out of me. But no, I haven't seen too much
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: receivers in general. There were a couple of pieces I noted,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: but I thought of the receivers were all kind of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: a bit lackluster, except for not just for Kelly's sake. Again,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna try to pronounce the las name because
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I always butcher it. So yeah, that's from a battle perspective.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I know there's a couple others, but I think those
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: are the real main I think corner is the main
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: battle position in general, not just Trean Harriston, but across
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: the board. And then tight end is tight End's gonna
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: be really interesting because Dawson Knox has an injury history
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: and if he continues to get banged up. My initial
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: thought coming into the year was like, oh, man, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: I wonder if Jackson Hawes takes some snaps away from
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Kincaid and it's Hawes and Knocks out there. Now I'm
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: sitting here thinking, is Knox not gonna get healthy? And
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: is it gonna be Hawes and Kinkaid out there? Which
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: or Gillium or Davidson potentially, Like it's interesting, lou throwing
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: out the phonics there of how to pronounce that last name.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: I'm still not even gonna try to attempt it out
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: of respect and not to butcher it. But I appreciate
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: the hell, how do you lose? And I appreciate your confidence.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: All right, next piece that I want to talk about.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: We alluded to it a bit with Max Harston, but
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I do want to touch on some of the injuries
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: that we've seen. Again, if Harriston's out for any significant
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: amount of time, whether it's the full year or it's like,
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: oh he's out for a month or two months or whatever,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: he's gonna miss all the preseason. Anything that causes him
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to miss anything more than a week, I think really
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: just kind of solidifies and signifies that Trey White is
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: going to lock down that CB two spot. Again, no
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Jink's fingers crossed, all that kind of stuff. I think
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Tray is ahead of Max right now, even if they
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: were both healthy and there were no injuries. And again
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: that's not because Harston is terrible, and that isn't a
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: horrible thing because oh Tray is washed. So the fact
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that he's ahead means the Bill's corners are screwed, YadA, YadA,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean any of that. Trey has, like you talked
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: about earlier, Trey has looked good. Max has looked good.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Max has just had more inconsistency than Trey has which
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: is to be expected. I move too much through the
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: camera to focus, which is to be expected given Tray's familiarity,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: experienced Max's lack thereof, so on and so forth, all
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: those things. But I do think again, any Trey was
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: already gonna push Max for the spot and was already
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: getting the lion's share, and got more of the lion's
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: share of starters reps as each day has passed a camp.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: So if Max missus any time or as any type
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: of hindrances, it just furthers that even further Further's that
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: even further? Yeah, that's not incorrect. Verbage Another one, Spencer
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Brown back injury. We still don't know the severity, you know,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: being talked about it on a day one kind of
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: it being more precautionary and you know, guys know their bodies, yadayada,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: all that kind of coach and GM speak. I am
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: worried because anytime I see a back injury come back
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: for a guy who's had issues with his back his
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: first like three years in the league, I find that troublesome.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: But we'll see the type of severity for him going forward.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: But his injury has given Tyland grable and Ryan Vandermark,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: both of those guys opportunities to work with the ones,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: and I want to see it's been tough. All the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: days that I was there, there were no pads. They
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: had shells on Sunday, and it's really hard for me.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Not necessarily hard, but I just don't like to evaluate
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: trench work when there's no pads on. So I think
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: overall thing grable. In terms of snapshare, I'd probably they're
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: actually close because vander Mark started to get more throughout
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the week, but Spencer Brown being out, he's really given
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Ryan Vandam Mark and Tyler Grabil the opportunity to kind
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: of work at right tackle. Grabile has also gotten work
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: at left tackle. He looks to be more of the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: swing guy, whereas Vandam Mark is. Vando Mark I always
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: thought was better at left than he was right, but
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: then he showed some niceness at right tackle when he
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: filled in for Spencer Brown last year, famously on the
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: final couple drives against Kansas City in the regular season.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: But I thought Grabel was one of the you know,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: shining stars of the preseason last year and made the team.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: The length of the athleticism, the potential development you have
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: in and of that, And I do think the old
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: offensive line is interesting to note because next year, well
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: after the season, Connor McGovern's a the UFA. David Edwards
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: is a UFA. So are you potentially trying to rebuild
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: that offensive line? You know, are you trying to kick
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: maybe someone into guard at some point? Is Alec Anderson
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: going to be next up at gard center and then
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Grabl becomes the sixth offensive lineman or however it is,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: But at the very least, you know Grabel and vander
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Mark look to be your guys that if Spencer Brown
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: misses any time, it's gonna be one of those two
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: dudes at right tackle. And the preseason will go a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: long way towards solidifying that. Again, I watched them in Spurts.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not really trying to evaluate trench play when there's
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: no padsox it it counts, but also is kind of
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't for me, But that's that's just me. So yeah,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: a good mix for both Grabel and Ryan Vandermark with
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the ones at right to linebackers I think is interesting
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: as well. Dorian Williams has been banged up, Terrell Bernard
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: has been banged up. That has given Bayle inspector, Shaq
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Thompson and Joe Andreesen all semblances of opportunity with the
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: ones and the twos at linebacker, each of them kind
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of working with each other at the one spot and
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: at the two spot, rotating in and out with Matt
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Malano with the ones. So it's interesting to kind of
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: see how that's played out. They've all gott an opportunity.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Shaq Thompson has made a couple of nice plays. I
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: know the injury concerns, and on tape last year, I
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: didn't love his tape even before the injury. Like you
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: can tell, there's a lot of mileage on the tires
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: and he doesn't move so great anymore from a lower
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: body perspective. But for better or for worse, he he's
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: multiple times too while camp I have not been looking
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: for him, and he just seems to be in the
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: right place at the right time making a play on
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: the ball or making you know, being dropping deep enough
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: in coverage that the quarterback has to try and put
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: it over him and it allows it, you know, a
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: corner or safety to make a play on the ball.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of think we know at
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: this point what we have Inspector, or maybe not because
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: he's been banged up a bit as well. You know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: I know Andresen would be a huge fan favorite for
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of folks. But the camp in the preseason
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: is going to do a lot for someone at linebacker.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: There is a vacuum of power at linebacker that someone
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: is going to grab, especially if these injuries still continue.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: And even you know, Bernard's had some injury pieces throughout
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: his career, Dorian has been banged up a little throughout
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: his career. Milano has been banged up a little throughout
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: his career. So there's an opportunity like all three of
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: those guys could end up seeing some reps at some point,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: or Ula Fohio comes through the linebacker position. I think
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: is going to be interesting because you're not I don't
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: think whether they're Herd or not. I don't think you're
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: going to see a lot of Milano or Bernard in
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the preseason. Dorian Williams will kind of see. So you're
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of opportunities for Bail, Inspector, Shaq Thompson,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and Joe Andresen at those linebacker spots in the preseason.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And if these injuries continue in camp, They're going to
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: get a lot of those reps in camp as well,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: and then again we'll kind of see what does you
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: know lafohiob or maybe even you know Jenkins does something.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: But it'll be interesting. I yeah, I think it's more
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: from a depth perspective and from a special team's perspective.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: But we've seen the past several years, Bayle inspector has
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: seen real reps for this defense. Drrian Williams has seen
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: real reps for this defense when he wasn't supposed to.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: So we're kind of going into almost the third consecutive
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: year where the Bills have had injuries with a linebacker spot.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: We know from recent experience those you know your linebacker three,
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: linebacker four, maybe even linebacker five, you know caugh cough,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: aj Klein coming off the couch and leaving vacation to
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: come start in a playoff game. We know that those
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: dudes can kind of come out of nowhere and have
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to play meaningful snaps and there is a bit of
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, a vacuum of you know, power
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that can be seized by one of those guys. So
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of Baal inspector, Shack Thompson
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: and Joe Andreyes and I think they've each flashed in
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: their own way, but the preseason is going to go
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the longest way towards where they kind of solidifying that battle.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Also from a wide receiver perspective, the wide receiver injuries.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, Elijah Moore, Kayden Prather, Tyrol Shavers went down Sunday.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: He was starting to get some work with the ones
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: and actually looked pretty good. Kaj Hammer missed some time today,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: but it was more just due to a heat illness
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: than anything. I think for the wide receivers, everything that
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: we've seen creates it creates two opportunities to think at
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: the top and at the bottom. Obviously, it creates an
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: opportunity at the bottom of the depth chart. If guys
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: like Elijah Moore and Tyrol Shavers, both of I would
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: say those two coming into camp with the leaders in
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the clubhouse to be wide receiver five. If the Bills
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: are going to keep five, I think More and Shavers
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: were right there. I would probably put More ahead of Shavers.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: But both those guys missing anytime. Then on top of that,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel missing time, so you've got opportunities at the
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: bottom of the depth chart, but because Samuel is also
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: a missing time, you're getting more reps for Keyon Coleman
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: and Josh Palmer at the top of the depth chart
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: to lock down those spots. So the wide receiver injuries,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you know, in terms of how they're impacting the depth
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: chart and the roster. You're getting a lot of time
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: on task for Keyon Coleman, which he needs because he
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: is green and a raw player. It's getting a lot
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: of time on task for Josh Palmer, which is good
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: because he's new to this offense and new to the system.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: You don't really need more time on task for Shakiir.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Shakir is what Shakir is. But it's given a lot
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: of opportunity for Palmer and Kean to kind of lock down,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: you know, two of the top three wide receiver spots.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: And then it's also creating more battle opportunities at the bottom.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: You know, maybe someone like Jalen Virgil starts to emerge
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: in some way. Maybe a kJ Hammler shakes off the
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: keyt illness that he had today and he starts to
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: make an attempt somewhere. Maybe it's dion Kin. Maybe Leaviska
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Chanalt comes around. I know he's a huge favorite of
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Drew from the Rock Power Report. Feel free to tweet
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: at Drew from the Rock Pile Report. He loves Laviska Chanel.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: He's got multiple Ofiska Jerseys. Absolutely loves him. Uh So, yeah,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: at the wide receiver is interesting. We're gonna see and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: this is already a position, right Like, we're not gonna
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: see a ton of Palmer in the preseason. We're not
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: gonna see a ton of Curtis Samuel. We're not gonna
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: see a ton of Khalishakir. We'll probably get a decent
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: chunk of key on Coleman because he needs time on task.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: But Coleman and More and Shavers and Prather and Handler
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: and Virgil and all these guys, even Steven Goss now
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: who made a really nice catch today, Like, all these
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: dudes are gonna get a lot of work in the preseason.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: And now with the injuries we've seen at the receiver,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: that just pushes this even further. So wide receivers wanted
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: to keep an eye on from the injuries again impacting
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: two spots on the depth chart the bottom in terms
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: of who wide receiver five is, but also at the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: top in terms of kind of creating further separation if
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: you are the Bills. I think in an ideal world,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Palmer is gonna Palmer's gonna see a lot of snaps.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Shakier is gonna see a lot of snap. But you're
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: hoping that Keon Coleman was going to take that jump
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and really kind of be wide receiver two or wide
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: receiver three, depending on how you view how you view
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Khaliosha kir as being a you know, true wide wide
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: receiver one even though he's more of a slot guy
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: and how he's used. But conversation for another time. That's
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: kind of been forced on the Bills within camp because
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: it's not like, oh, okay, well, we want to work
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: in Samuel and we want to work in these other guys,
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: like no, like Keon Coleman's getting a ton of burn
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: because Samuel has been banged up a bit. Now Moore's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: banged up, and everything kind of stacks. So wide receiver
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: I think is an interesting one for the overall battle,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: but more so because of the injuries impacting the roster
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: and the depth chart and how that's going to kind
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: of shake out a bit. You can go back and
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: go through some of the comments. Yeah, Royce says Superman
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Dion Kane is back, two time UFL champion, one time MVP,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the practice squad. Maybe that's fair. Upstate Gardener
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: says Spencer Brown's back is worrisome, But I'm a Grabel
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: stand Chromer can develop the dude. I I don't want
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: anything to happen to the offensive line. I don't want
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: them to change in any way, shape or form. I
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: want this starting five this year and for the next
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: couple of years. But I second the notion of kind
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: of you know in Chromer that we trust, and Grabil's
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: got a lot of fun traits and tools, and again
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: he looked really good in the preseason last year. Him
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: having a quality snatchtrap and him using it with regularity
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: was a big surprise to me, and he again he
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: was one of my stars last year of the preseason
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: from week one to two to three, and he got
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: better from week one to two to three. And I
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: trust an Aaron Cromer, So I think that's fair. How
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Ralph says with the lone Granger, I like this nickname
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: for Centron Vampire Granger. Who else is taking snaps at center?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: You know, my eye hasn't been again too much on
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: the O line because of the trench pieces, but Jacob
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: Behar has been getting there. I remember seeing sixty one
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: a bunch. I think al Anderson's getting some work there
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: as well. A Bear is one that comes to my
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: mind a lot, but again I have him in two
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: trench focus. I'm gonna be trench focused more during the
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: scrimmage on Friday. But yeah, Jordan's seven one six says
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: shack Baby's gonna play hard for McDermott. I actually, I
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: don't doubt it. If Anybody's gonna get the best out
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: of him, and if there is somebody that Shaq's gonna
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: give his all for, it would probably be McDermott. Not
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: to say he's not a professional and wouldn't give its
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: all no matter what. I'm again trying to cover all
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: avenues here before somebody else with me. R J saying
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Tian Kane is a perfect practice squad player. Dominic says,
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: oh my god, enough with the wrestling man. You gotta
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: come around. Wrestling is a sport, It's tremendous. Let's each
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: their own appreciate you, Tom, Thank you. John says, how
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: is Baile inspector not in the rash of injuries we
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: have right now? I feel like you shouldn't have even
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: said that. I shouldn't have even brought up this comment
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: because knowing that the wind's gonna blow hard and Rochester
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: and he's gonna pick up an injury tonight. Yeah. Also, yeah,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: don blame RJ. It's RJ's fault with the wrestling. If
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I see r Jay in here, I'm probably I'm pretty
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: much guaranteed to make a wrestling comment. And RJ's in
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: here pretty much every single week, so that means I'm
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: pretty much guaranteed to make a wrestling car on every
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: single week. Upstate Gardner said, did Bishop go to the
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: injury ten today? Yes? He did. I think he went
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: in before Hairston. No, after Hairston, I think yeah. After Hairston,
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything conclusive or worrisome. I think he
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: went back to practice, finished the rest, but he did
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: go into the injury tent. There were like seven or
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: eight guys that went into the Injury ten today, So
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: birth Marino's Legacy says Brandon Bean hasn't drafted an immediate
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: star in the first year since Trey White. I'm concerned
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: about the evaluation process. Maybe Greg Russo in year one,
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: but that's pushing it. I think it was also. I
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: think that's fair. But I also think what's tough is
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: they really haven't had a lot of opportunities to draft
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: like stars at the spots in the first round where
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: you usually get stars. Usually you're getting stars in the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: top fifteen, top twenty. The only one who they've had
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: in that range was at Oliver, who I don't think
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: is a star but has become a very good player.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I think at Oliver's been solid. I think Greg Ruso
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: has the opportunity to become a true edge one this year,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: although I don't think he's holistically that this year because
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: he's still more of a two as a pass rusher
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: than a one. So I do think this comment is
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: somewhat fair. But I also think working against being is
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's usually drafting in the late twenties.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Now you can sit down and be like, well, yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: but the Chiefs got you know, McDuffie in the late
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: twenties and he's a star, so you can play both
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: sides of it. But I do think drafting in the
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: in the far back of round one traditionally doesn't necessarily
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: lend itself towards getting, you know, an immediate star. Usually
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get more role players or like high quality
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: guys and positions, and I think they've gotten that more
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: often than not. But yeah, I do think he's hit
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: more on the back end of drafts, like look where
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: you got Shakir, Look where you got Tarren Johnson, Look
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: where you got Christian Benford. I think he's hit more
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: on the back end. Is not especially on Day three,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Like rounds four through six I think have been better
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: for him than rounds one through three, ironically, So I
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: push back a little, but I do think that's fair
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: and then follow confery. You said, but his picks usually
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: round out as solid a very good, but rarely as
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: a rookie. Yeah, I think it's fair. He's got a
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: weird I this is a larger conversation. I don't want
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: to get too off track with it, but I think
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of it is due to the type of
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: the archetypes that they draft at certain positions and the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: needs that they have at those positions, so they tend
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: to almost kind of chase their tail and it's not like,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you know, the definition of insanity is doing the same
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: thing expecting different results, but that's essentially what they kind
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: of do. They kind of stick to the routine, but
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: the results stay the same, which is why we're kind
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: of in this rinse and repeat scenario of like, oh,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: solid to very good but no stars. And then also
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: factoring in is because they're drafting in the back half
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: of round one and then rarely as a rookie, is fair,
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: but also they're usually a pretty good football team, so
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: it's hard for a rookie to kind of crack the
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: roster because usually they have some kind of talent or
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: depth at a majority of spots already. But yeah, I
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: do think that is a fair comment. O. K. Morris
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: his name is hard to get year one stars when
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: you're consistently drafting in the mid to late twenties. Man,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: what I would do to go back for McDuffie. It's tough.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: It's tough, tough, tough, tough tuff. Oh man, it's so
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: funny to see. I swear I don't see the comments
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: ahead of time as I start reading things from people,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: but it's funny to see, like the comments I'm seeing
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: people mention McDuffie and Trey and then you know the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: piece of like oh yeah mid to late twenties, so
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: on and so forth. Oh, I forgot a good call.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Here is I kept going through Milano, But I don't
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: think Mulano. Mulano was taken in the McDermott Doug Whaley
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: draft and then Doug Whalley got fired like two months
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: later and Brandon Bean came in. Now we can play
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: the game of like was being kind of the shadow GM?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: Did he already have his hand in the pot a
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: little bit? So on and so forth. But yeah, that
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: was that was not a being pick made that Maylee
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: did that draft and then I think got fired like
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: two months later or something like that and being took
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: over if I remember that correctly, And yeah, actually you
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: know even that too, I don't think being drafted Trey
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: White there, if I remember correctly. Oh when John said
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: that in the chat too, Yeah, I think that might
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: be that uh m hm fair And even just again too,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: like if we're talking about like I'm more concerned with
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: the rookies not developing into true stars than I am
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: them having impact as a rookie, like I'm less concerned
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: with like, man, this guy's not a stud as a rookie,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: because I don't know how many rookie studs there are anyway,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: especially if you're not picking them like the top ten,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: or unless somebody falls to you outside the top ten,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: like Jalen Carter or something like that. But I my
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: my thing is more of getting guys to being elite.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I don't care when it happens. If they're elite in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: year one, fantastic. If it's your two or three or
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: four or five, that's also good. But I don't think
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: the Bills whout this Josh Allen run. I don't think
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: they've had enough elite talent around him that they've either
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: acquired or that they've drafted and developed. I think Benford
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: is getting to that point now, and I think Rousseau
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: has the opportunity to get there if he can again,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: like I've said so much on the show, if he
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: can take a jump as a pass rusher, I think
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: he could potentially get there. But yeah, they've it's been
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: hit or miss, and again depends on how you define elite.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: But I think at times like Tay that Terarren Johnson,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: who's been elite. Matt Malone's been elite. The safeties. I mean,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: they've had the best safety tannement football. At one point
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: you had Stefan Diggs, but it was all kind of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: like mixing and matching at different points. And then if
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: you're talking about just drafting again, a lot of those
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: guys that I mentioned were more you know, Poyer was
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: assigning hide was a signing. Granted they developed both of
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: them and helped turn them into some things, but you know,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs was a trade acquisition. So we'll see in
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: terms of, you know, the elite piece that they developed.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm less concerned about like elite players as
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: a rookie, especially considering this is usually a team that
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: isn't like man, they need a rookie, an elite rookie
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: to contribute. They're a team that usually goes to the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Final four every year or the divisional round of the playoffs.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: So they're a good team usually with not a lot
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: of holes, and they usually do their best to hedge
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: their bets going into the draft, So if they have
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: a need at corner, they usually sign a couple of
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: corners so that way there's some competition. If they haven't
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: needed defensive end, they'll sign a couple and then still
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: draft on. So it's not like any rookie is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a plug and play guy anyway, because one
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: they're usually a good good at most spots anyway, but two,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna bring guys in free agency to head their
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  Speaker 1: hedge their bets so they're not left with some glaring
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  Speaker 1: hole and forced into a need come draft time. Kaya
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: Moorey says beans round one preferences seem to be traitsy
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  Speaker 1: guys that have uber high potential. Yeah, I do think
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: they're more trade based, and I also get like they
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: just go to their archetype, like they like defensive ends
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  Speaker 1: that don't really have a ton of change of direction
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  Speaker 1: or athleticism. They want length and power and pocket compression,
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  Speaker 1: which is fair, but I think those guys tend to
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: be more limited in general with what they can be,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: even though they also have high potential and may take
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: a while. It is very uh interesting this has comment.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's coming to from Red Sansey and the
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: quality of depth as a direct results of their drafting profile.
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  Speaker 1: I think they also go for a lot of the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: guys that are high floor and I think that's part
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: of the reason they have their depth for as much
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: as For as much as that, I think they've lacked
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  Speaker 1: through like a tier elite talent. They seem to always
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  Speaker 1: have a bunch of like C plus or B minus
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  Speaker 1: guys at positions like at you know, the third or
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  Speaker 1: fourth guy on the depth chart when most teams have
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  Speaker 1: like a D or even an F there. Like they
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: have survived injuries in a multitude of spots for years
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  Speaker 1: because they develop well and they usually again they take
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  Speaker 1: guys usually with high floors. You know. Dan Jackson's a
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: good example, right, Like he was never gonna be this
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: great CB two, but he's kind of, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: high floor C B two. He can get the job done.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: He's more of a CB three or a CB four,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: but you know, if you need him to fill in
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: and kind of do something, especially if you've got you know,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: an all pro tray right Trey White and then hiding
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Poyer playing along with him and all pro Aron Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: like that guy fits that need. Well. It's all the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: chest pieceerie of all of it. But yeah, I do
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  Speaker 1: think this common stands at the quality of depth. I
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: think as a direct result of their drafting profile. They
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: go for culture guys, high floor guys, known quantity type
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: of dudes, and then maybe they'll take some more swings
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: in the early rounds and they kind of battle it
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: all together. Great comment here from Reno's Legacy. When you
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: are in high leverage situations, guys like Chris Jones and
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Jamar Chase are the difference. I don't disagree. I don't disagree.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: Pete says, I'm all for more elite guys. I don't
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: see round one rookies who are immediately impactful. Is the
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  Speaker 1: route you must take to get there. I think this
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: is very well said, and I agree the comment here
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: from Reno's Legacy saying if Walker or Sanders are game
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: wrecking defensive tackles, it changes the equation dramatically. Regardless of Harriston,
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: I think they can be as rushers. I'm more worried
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: about each of them getting blown off the ball and
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: being liabilities versus the run. But we'll see. But we
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: will see. Oh, I forgot gave Davis as a draft pick. Yeah,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: even like Levi Wallace as an undrafted free agent and
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: them getting like CB two mileage out of him for
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: a couple of years as a high floor guy like
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: they just find ways with udfa's in the back end
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: around one like, yeah, they just find a way. Oh.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: I like this. I have nothing to know to add.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Just wanted to say hi, I am hi learn. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you're doing well. Terreon Johnson too, Yeah, Aron Johnson, Oh,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Taron Johnson was a round four guy. Johnson was for
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: Shakir was a fifth, Benford was a sixth. Those ones
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  Speaker 1: stick out in my mind. Yeah, those one stick out
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: of my mind the most. I want to talk about
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: some stock up and stock down pieces regarded to training gap.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I like this conversation in the chest though. Feel free
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: to uh continuously talk about and I'll continue to bring
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: things up. I'm going to take a drink. I'm saying
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: that for the audio people because they're gonna hear some silence,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: and if I didn't acknowledge it, you'll see me taking
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: a drink. But they'd be like, oh, WHI isre silence.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: Let's talk up some stock up and stock down. Trey
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: White stock up, don't need to talk about it too much.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I talked about him throughout this episode stock up big
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: time again. I thought he would be a really nice
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: CB three him flashing some CB two pieces. I think
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: it's nice. Oh, actually, hold on real quick, Buffhiadelphia says random.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: How would you compare Douglas last year to Trey's performance
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: in camp this year? Man, It's tough to say right
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: now because I haven't seen live bullets and live reps.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: I will say I think Douglas was still the better
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: force player and better run defender. I think Trey has
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: shown better short area burst and quickness and coverage chops.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't really see those struggles from Russeul Douglas
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: in camp. I started to see them as the season progress,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: so I don't know if he had an injury or
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: the mileage just really started to show. So I think
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Trey's performance overall has been very, very very encouraging. I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: think he showed more short area burst in quickness, but
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Douglas still looked good in camp. Last year it was
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: more just yeah, as Kamorey said, and John, both of
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: you guys saying in the chat there, yeah Douglas. It
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: was more is kind of the season progress that was
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: almost literally like he fell off a cliff and I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: have no idea what happened, but Tray looks good and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: I thought, you know Douglas, which you could play devilas
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Ada can be like, well, if Douglas looked good last
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: year and he fell off a cliff, what's to say
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: Trey won't. And I don't have an answer for you,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: so hopefully he doesn't. I'm not saying you're saying that,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: but I just want to put that out there, all right,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: stock up, stock down, good comments, good, good thought provoking
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: questions and comments on the chat tonight. I like it,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: so stock up Trey White my next stock up. I didn't.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is oh yeah, of course, Buffadelphia.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate the comment and thank you for being here
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: enjoying me live. I think it's I think it's very
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: nice to any time people join in comments a good time.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: Then my next stock up. I don't think it's gonna be.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: It might be this person seems polarizing, and I don't
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: know if it's just because people are loud and vocal
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: all the time, because Twitter is a cesspool for that
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: or not. But I'm gonna give a stock up to
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  Speaker 1: Keyon Coleman. I hope nobody yells at me for that.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: I mean you can yell. I don't care teach their own.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: I do think the inconsistency is going to still be
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: present in his game. I know on what was it.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Let's say I went to camp day one and day two.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: I did not go on day three. I know he
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: had some drops on day three, which was Friday. But
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: I thought, overall, at least the days I've been there,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: he's looked good. He's had good timing and rapport with
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Get into the spots where Alan expects him
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: to be getting out of his break right when Alan
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: is anticipating him getting out of his break, separating at
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: the catch point on some deep throws, separating on the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: at the catch point on some back shoulder throws against
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: man coverage, being able to find space zone, especially on
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: the seams and the intermediate I talked about on day two.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: On that Thursday, he had an outbreaking route. I caught
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: it late, so I don't remember exactly what the concept
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: was or even the coverage piece, but I'm pretty sure
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: it was it was either quarters or it was cover
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: six with quarters to that side. But he he bends
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: this outbreaker route, but he bends it inside. He stems
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: it inside, and Taylor rap starts to go with him
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: and right his rap opens up inside to run with him.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Coleman breaks down and snaps it off him, pops back outside,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: snatches raps, ankles, wrap, falls to the ground. Keon's wide open,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Alan pins it on him. I think he's had a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: strong start to camp. I do think his stock is up.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: He's beaten a variety of guys in coverage. He's had
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: some struggles with Christian Benford, but everybody has had their
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: struggles with Christian Benford. Christian Benford is another stock up
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: candidate Benford has been I don't have too much to
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: add for Benford other than he's just been locked down
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: against anyone in every one in a variety of coverages.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: It's tough to be Christian Benfer in any way, shape
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: or form this camp so far to start, but I
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: think key On has looked good. I do think we're
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: gonna continue to see in consistencies with his game. We're
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: gonna continue to see peaks and valleys. As I mentioned earlier,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: and as everybody in their mother is mentioned at this point,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: he is green. He is raw in terms of his age,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: in terms of football experience, pro style stuff, all of that, right,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: So it's gonna take him time on task to get better.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: He needs time on task. They are gonna I'm sure
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be games in season where he has like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: eight catches on nine targets for one hundred and ten
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: yards and a touchdown or two, and everybody's like, oh,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: you know, he's arrived. And then the next week he
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: might have like one catch on three targets for seven yards,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: and everybody's like, oh, no, he sucks again, Like what happened.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: That's who he's gonna be. We are not going to
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: know who Keon Coleman is in year two. Keon Coleman
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: is the type of player where we're not gonna know
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: who he is until year three or year four, or honestly,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: maybe even beyond. The example I always give, And if
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: you're a regular listener reviewer this show, you already know
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: what I'm going to say. The example I always give
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: because Keon Coleman was my wide receiver nine coming out
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: last year, but I thought he had the widest array
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: of potential NFL outcomes. If you told me he ended
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: up being a high end wide receiver two or low
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: end wide receiver one in his career, I'd buy it.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: If you told me he was out of the league
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: in four or five years. I'd buy it if you
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: told me he was living off of one year contracts
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: into his early thirties because nobody tapped into his skill set.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: But each team kept being like, you know, we can
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: be the ones to finally reach him. I could buy that.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: We're not going to know who he is even if
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: he balls out in camp in the preseason in the
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: first couple of weeks. There's a chance he could fall
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: right back down and vice versa. He could look like
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: crap to start the year and then rise up. We're
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: not going to know who Keyon Coleman is until your
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: year three or honestly, maybe even year four, which I
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: know isn't a great answer for a lot of folks,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: because you want your guy who's the first pick in
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: the draft, even though it did come in the second round.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: You want that guy to be an immediate contributor for
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: any type of team, but especially one just trying to
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: get over the hump and win a chanceonship. But I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: do think there's something to be said for drafting guys
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: with an athletic profile or a skill set that you
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: don't have, and you want, even if it may take
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: him a little more time on task, or if he
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: requires a little more seasoning or simmering to kind of
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: develop into the player that you want, especially if you're
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: strong enough as a team or a culture already and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: you have the ecosystem that can allow them to develop.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: And I do think the Bills have that. They're a
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: good running football team. They have a good offensive line,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: no Jink's fingers crossed, you have the MVP a quarterback,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: You've got enough weapons at the receiver and tight end
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: spots to insulate Kean Coleman. So I do think he
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: has the opportunity to succeed. But I do think he's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: a stock up candidate right now, even though again he
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: had some drops on day two. I'm sorry day three,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: but he's been winning with physicality. He's been separating at
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: the catch point and finance space in zone and being
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: able to snap some things off. Again, I think the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: biggest thing, and everybody knows at this point, can he
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: separate consistently? What can he do in his route stem?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: What can he do in terms of the technical pieces
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: and the refinement pieces of a wide receiver that's going
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: to come. He's not going to go from year one
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: to year two and be this great professional rout runner
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: that's going to continue to take time, which is why
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's more of a year three, year four
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: type of thing. For key On Coleman. I talked about
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Christian Benford. He's looked great. I don't have anything else.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: He's awesome. Also a stock up, this is more of
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: a schematic thing. Talked about Ryan Nielsen's impact and the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: desire for this Bills team to kind of change some
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: things up front. So a stock up is five man
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: pressure looks, simulated pressures, creeper pressures, but also just the
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: defense being more adjustable and sound in their checks and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: assignments based off of shifts, motions and changes information and alignment.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: So I noted multiple times on camps, I tweeted it,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: I posted on Blue Sky Bobby Babbage and the defense
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: have you know, they're taking the defense and they're taking
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: the starters, and they're purely going over adjustments in checks
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: based off of changes information, alignment, shifts and motion. They
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: are going over their checks. So if it goes from
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: a two by two to three by one, if it
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: does that with a shift, or does that with a
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: jet motion or an orbit motion or a shift, what
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: their checks are, what the coverage changes, what the front changes.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: They did that multiple days. They've been tying that in
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: in terms of being assignment sound with man and different
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: man in match coverages. Then they've also been drilling down
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: five man pressure looks, different simulated pressures and different creeper pressures.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Also some six man pressure looks as well. So I
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: like what I've seen from that. So a stock up
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: in terms of the potential tweaks and changes that we
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: want to see from this defense, which is more non
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: foreman rushes, whether whether you know non traditional like a
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: sim or a creeper or actual like five and six
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: man pressures. So seeing more of that, seeing more man
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: and match coverage on the back end, and being really
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: sound and sound is actually the only way to put
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: it in Their checks, their adjustments, and their assignments after
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: they see motion, after they see a shift areas where
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: they' struggled in the past and they've kind of been
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: out leveraged in different points. So those are big stock
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: ups for me. There's been a couple more, but I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: didn't want to give like a list of like ten,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: So those are a big four for me, I want
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: to go back and grab some comments. Bum bum bum,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Red Sand saying stock up is the new tight end,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: might be a Gronk style player. Not sure if his
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: hands yet. I mean Gronk was plus as a receiver
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: and as a blocker. I think it's a very high
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: hope and expectation for Jackson Hawes. He is a stock
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: up for me as well. But I talked about him
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: earlier in terms of just playing well, so I didn't
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: necessarily include him here, but fairpoint Dorian Strong. I see
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: that from Jordan, I see that from Charles. I think
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: he's had some good flashes. He's also gotten beat uh
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: from time to time. You know, I would say a
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: handful of positive and a handful of negative, so I
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: kind of keep him as a neutral. He's another guy
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: that I'm looking forward to seeing in the scrimmage, but
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: also big time in the preseason. I think he's gonna
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: get a lot of burn. Buff Bill's eighty three says
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: any update on Hairston not officially as of now. We
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: talked about him earlier in the episode, but there's been
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: no news in terms of trickling down of you know,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: confirmed this injury, confirm no injury. Nothing at this point,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: Oh John says Coleman needs to get rid of the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: debt zero number. It's brutal to look at. I don't
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: know how I feel about the zero. I'm okay with it,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: but I also don't like it because I don't think
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: it looks good with the Bill's font That's my bigger thing.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think the zero looks great with the Bill's fomp.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: But I'm not opposed to the zero. Kenby says McDuffie,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: opposite of Benford. I think about it all the time.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: He was my corner three or corner four in that draft.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I loved him. I wanted him really bad for the Bills.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I thought he could play outside, not just inside. Yeah,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: he was a big hope for me. I really, really,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: really really really wanted McDuffie, but it wasn't meant to be.
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  Speaker 1: What else Upstate Gardners is? I like king On lining
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  Speaker 1: up inside more. Yeah, I do too, but I just
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  Speaker 1: think it limits some of the things that you can do.
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  Speaker 1: But fair Upstate Gardeners is Palmer's ability to create versus
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: Man has me stoked. It was clear this regime wanted
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: the separator for Josh. Yeah, underneath and the intermediate, you know,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: low emitted intermediate. I think he's going to be a real,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: a real advantageous piece in terms of separation. He can
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: win at the release point, he could win his route stem,
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  Speaker 1: he can win on the break, he can run a
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  Speaker 1: variety of routes. He's got really good deception, body language,
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  Speaker 1: and pacing in his routes. I think he's gonna be
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: an asset. I don't know if he's necessarily gonna be
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: a true wide receiver one, but I think he's gonna
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: be a difference maker in this offense. However, you know
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: you'll want to quantify it. Buff Bill's eighty three says,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: if we even just have more of a threat of
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: a downfield passing game, that will open things up absolutely.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: And part of that is Josh Allen being better on
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: throws of twenty or more yards. He's been poor the
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: past couple of seasons. I also think they need to
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: use the play action game to create some explosives. That
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: just seems like an easy way to do it, considering
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: how good their run game is and play action being
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: a nice way to create some additional separation for yourself
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: and some explosives and being able to attack downfield or
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: even in the intermediate with some you know, run after
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  Speaker 1: catch potential. Yeah, I think they do need to kind
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: of create more take the top off chunk plays downfield
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: to be able to loosen things up, because if they're
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: just living as a run the football team and living
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: in the underneath to lower mid intermediate, eventually things are
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: gonna start to constrict. And if you're playing teams with
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: better athletes at corner or good corners, teams are just
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: trying to man you up and play single high, and
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: they're gonna start to struggle like they did against Baltimore
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: Houston last year. Charlos says, Jordan Hancock getting reps only
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: at safety and none at slock corner. No both day one,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: Like he was the slock corner with the third team
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: his first time on the field and then they ran
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: him back and he was at safety. So I've been
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: seeing him get work at both. Jordan says, how does
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Frank Gore Junior? Look? Did he beef up at all?
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: I would say maybe he looks maybe a little heavier,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: but I think kind of the same. Red sand is
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: a big Ray Davis fan. Can't wait to see him
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: get the ball more to love watching him run the ball.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: James says, is Jackson injured? Do you mean land In
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: Jackson or Jackson, Because there's two, I guess I'll answer both. Jane.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Jackson's been getting burned and some run so I don't
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: think he's heard Landon Jackson didn't really see snaps on
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: day one, but I think he's been fine going forward
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: and seeing reps. But again, I've be't been paying a
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: ton of attention to the trenches because no pads, and
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's just such a huge variable that kind
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: of muddies things for me. Ralph says, can you see
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Palmer being a younger Emmanuel Sanders for the Bills. I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: think they're different types of players. I think Sanders had
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: a lot more fluidity to his game. It was a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: better vertical presence. I think Palmer can work downfield, but
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of it is due to his deception and
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: functioning within the scheme. I think there's a bit of
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: a misconception on what type of receiver Palmer is, and
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: people talk about him the man beating piece, but a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: lot of people talk about him like he's just this also,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: this big deep threat. I don't think that's necessarily the case,
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: but I do think I do think there is something
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: to be said for the precision that Emmanuel Sanders operated
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: with as a route runner. I think Palmer operates with
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: some of that. I think Palmer is more of a
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: and I think this compa is spot on because they
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: spend time together with the chargers. I think Palmer is
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: a bigger Keenan Allen are kind of in the Keenan
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: Allen type of mold, good release package, good footwork underneath intermediate.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: I know he's a bigger body type of dude and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: can get downfield, but I think he's built for the
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: world of like ten catches one hundred yards, not like
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: four catches one hundred yards. I think he's somebody that's
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: gonna work in the intermediate, the underneath, the high underneath,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: anywhere from like zero to fourteen yards or fifteen yards,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: I think is where Josh Palmer is going to see
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of success. Joyce's Cooper Degene would have been
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: a better pick than Keyon Coleman in my opinion. And
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: we need it and still need safety helping. Yeah, but
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know how Degene was going to translate to safety.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: We still haven't seen that yet. You know him working
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: in the slot, and he had a good year in
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: the slot for Philly. But if you're talking about drafting
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Degene and then putting him at safety, we still don't
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: know how we would have functioned there. He didn't play
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: safety at Iowa. It was a big projection to see
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: to move him to safety in the NFL. So we
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: still haven't seen that now at this point. But I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: think that's fair. Good athlete, good player gives you some jews,
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  Speaker 1: some physicality, and some size, so I get like in
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  Speaker 1: the player. I don't know if it's if it solves
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: the safety issue, because that's that was a big projection,
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  Speaker 1: but if it would have I don't necessarily disagree and
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  Speaker 1: Toad buff Bill's eighty three point we have to do.
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  Speaker 1: to wait to see how Bishop performs falling apart. So sorry,
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  Speaker 1: do you think with these injuries the Bills are being
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  Speaker 1: cautious with them? It seems like a lot of injuries
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  Speaker 1: so early. I do think they are being cautious. Time
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  Speaker 1: will tell if all these injuries are actually meaningful or
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: if they're purely just precautionary. We'll see, I regardless anytime
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  Speaker 1: someone they just have a slew of injuries, and it's
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  Speaker 1: two important guys, and it's just a lot of injuries
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: in terms of quantity and volume, Like there's a lot.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: I don't want to see them at all. But we'll see,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Jordan says, So if
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: they move Bishop to free safety, who looks better in practice,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: Hamlin or Forest. Hamlin did a couple of nice plays
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: on the ball. I'm waiting to see what Derek Forrest
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: looks like when the bullets are live, because Camp is
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: only going to tell us so much. I would probably
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: put Hamlin slightly ahead of Forest as of right now.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: But I think once the Pats start popping and the
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: bullets are live. In the preseason, I think Forrest will
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: surpass Hamlin, but we'll see. Charles says, besides more play action,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: what new wrinkles do you hope to see from last season?
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I want more pistol if we're talking offensive side of
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: the ball, I want more pistol. I want more thirteen personnel,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: so I want three tight hands on the field. I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: want Knox, I want Kincaid, and I want Hawes. I
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: want more twenty one personnel. I want more Reggie Gilliam
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: on the field. And I would like more six offensive
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: lineman sets. And I want them to run counter traditional counter,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: traditional counter, and power out of them by putting Alec
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Anderson in black blast motion like they did last year
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: towards the end of the year. I want that as
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: a as a run wrinkle. So those are really the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: big chunks for me. And I'd like more deep shots
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: off of play action in the you know, kind of
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: put that in particular, more deep shots in general. But
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: I think with the wide receiver cord, they're going to
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: need to manufacture it a bit, so I think they'll
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: need play action with it, and then defensively what we've
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: talked about. I want more man coverage, more match coverage,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: more man coverage, more blitzes, more sims, more creepers, and
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: more variety in their fronts. I'm tired of the four
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: down static front. I want guys standing up. I want
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: you know, an overload look. I want somebody lined up
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: over the center. I want to attack protections. I want
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: to create man protection rules and manipulate offenses into keeping
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: running backs and tight ends and to protect when they
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to. I want to create vulnerabilities and protection
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: rules and exploit them and create matchups and mismatches for
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: the defense. So that's a big one for me as well.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: I know that was kind of a lot. I don't
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: know if you expected that, but yeah, that's what I'm
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: looking for, Joe says. And not sure if it's been
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: discussed yet, but thoughts on McGovern's comments on Hawes and
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: your review of him so far. I actually not the
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: cop ot. I talked about this earlier because I talked
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: about the tight end room in the training camp battle segment.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: It was towards the back end, probably around like the
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: fifty minute mark, somewhere in that range. I'll time stamp
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: it when I'm done here. But yeah, I thought he's
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: looked good, really good blocker, good people mover. McGovern's comments
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: were awesome and they aligned with my notes. I don't
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: want to rehash it too much because I again I
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: spoke on it. Thank you for also letting me know
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: that you were late and didn't join the show earlier.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know why you're I guess you're out living
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: your life, which seems kind of selfish, but you know,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: teach their own. But yeah, good comment, Joe good thought. Yeah,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: I liked him, and I've liked him so far, I
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: should say, and I am excited to see what he
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: does in the preseason. And he's part of the reason
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: why I want more thirteen personnel as one of my
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: wrinkles and one of my pieces. So yeah, good time.
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• 1:30:02
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