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Buck Showalter Unfiltered: Ohtani rule, Nimmo-Semien trade, much more · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: This is a dangerous game. Buckshow Walter joining us right now?
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  Speaker 1: And Buck, I'm going to throw a curveball at you
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  Speaker 1: to start. Where would you like to start today? We
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  Speaker 1: have plenty of things we want to ask you about,
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  Speaker 1: but like, what would you like to start with? That's
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  Speaker 1: really either grinding your gears or standing out over the
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  Speaker 1: past week.
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  Speaker 2: Probably the promo there. I haven't been in a sports
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  Speaker 2: car in years. I can't get in and out of them,
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  Speaker 2: but the game's great. Okay, here's my thought. Why are
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  Speaker 2: there no more longer levers anymore? Where? That's your job.
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  Speaker 2: Your job is to be the longer lever. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we used to go, Okay, this guy's this, but he's
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  Speaker 2: a good long TJ. McFarland might have been the best
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  Speaker 2: longer liver I ever had all those years in Baltimore.
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  Speaker 2: He saved our pitching staff. I don't think they grasp
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  Speaker 2: how important those guys are. They don't come in and
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  Speaker 2: pitch shut out innings, but they keep the game engaged.
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  Speaker 2: They give you three or four innings, and two days
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  Speaker 2: later they can do it again. And by God, don't
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  Speaker 2: send them down after they have him out him. That's
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  Speaker 2: my little thing today.
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  Speaker 3: What do you guys think, no, no, no, buck, You
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  Speaker 3: got to send them down. You got to send them
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  Speaker 3: down because they have a fresh arm and triple a buck. Buck.
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  Speaker 3: How many times at the end of your the last
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  Speaker 3: few years of your coaching did you have to fight
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  Speaker 3: for a guy who just went out there because it
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  Speaker 3: just happened in the Red Sox game, young man made
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  Speaker 3: a made his big lead debut through. I think there's
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  Speaker 3: three and a third innings against the Yankees in the
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  Speaker 3: Boston Red Sox Yankees series, and most likely they're going
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  Speaker 3: to send him down because he's not available today. How
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  Speaker 3: many times did you have to argue about that when
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  Speaker 3: towards the end of your managing last week?
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  Speaker 2: A lot more later on, But you know, you want
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  Speaker 2: to lose a bullpen or a clubhouse somewhat. You know,
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  Speaker 2: this guy comes in, does the job. The starting pitcher
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  Speaker 2: feels awful, you know, and it's just so the last
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  Speaker 2: thing you want to do is send someone down because
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  Speaker 2: they did their job. You know, I could, I could
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  Speaker 2: live with it if there was a set date to
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  Speaker 2: come back, so to speak. But you know it's just
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  Speaker 2: not fair and the clubhouse knows it. So wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: we do our job, and this and that whatever, and
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  Speaker 2: we get sent back down. Believe the pitchers are ready
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  Speaker 2: to post up to save this guy from getting sent down.
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  Speaker 2: So now I understand this is with eleven twelve man
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  Speaker 2: pissing staff. Now these guys are third. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how you have to send guys down with a thirteen
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  Speaker 2: man pitching staff. Of course, with the Dodgers case, fourteen pitchers.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get me started on that one.
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  Speaker 4: Well should we get you started on that one? Because
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  Speaker 4: I have a couple of questions for you, but allow
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  Speaker 4: you to kind of respond to that before I ask
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  Speaker 4: a question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just I don't think you know. The bottom
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  Speaker 2: line is I used to tell umpires, which would always
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  Speaker 2: I go, wait a minute. What she just did was
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  Speaker 2: not fair. What you just did, what the call you
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  Speaker 2: just made was not fair. Whether it be you know,
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  Speaker 2: personally vindicted at a player that's the one that used
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  Speaker 2: to drive me crazy, or just being bad. But I
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  Speaker 2: just I can't understand how it's fair for a team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's an unbelievable player. You want to do everything possible
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  Speaker 2: for us to maybe obviously a generational player, maybe might
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  Speaker 2: you go down? Is one of the greatest players ever
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  Speaker 2: but I mean if I was a Podras or somebody
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  Speaker 2: in that division especially and they're able to operate with
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  Speaker 2: a little different numbers, I don't get it. You know
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  Speaker 2: you knew this when you signed him. So I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out what is the argument for it that
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  Speaker 2: it's okay, what do you get what do you guys hear.
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  Speaker 3: I don't hear anything. I don't hear anything that that
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  Speaker 3: the argument's okay. Dave Robertson is the only one that's like,
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  Speaker 3: it's totally fine. Anybody, anybody could have signed him, but
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  Speaker 3: like that's that's his beauty and not everybody could have
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  Speaker 3: signed him. I get that, but like I to me,
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  Speaker 3: I think my question yesterday Aaron Boone was because I
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  Speaker 3: had made a comment the day before. I think this
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  Speaker 3: is how twenty nine other managers feel. What Craig Council said,
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  Speaker 3: it's just one of those Daniel Murphy just said, kind
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  Speaker 3: of a Nana Andanty poopoo kind of moment that that
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  Speaker 3: Dave Robertson's like, well, you don't have them, so wear it.
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  Speaker 2: Well. If you think the Pittsburgh Pars have the same
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  Speaker 2: chance to sign Otani, they can actually give him less
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  Speaker 2: money because the money he's gonna make off the field
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  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. You know, that's one thing with the
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  Speaker 2: basic agreement coming up, We've got to figure out some
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  Speaker 2: way that everybody has the same shot as some of
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  Speaker 2: these international players. And it's not a level playing field.
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  Speaker 2: And every organization does not have a chance to sign Otani.
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  Speaker 2: They do if you want a way way overpay, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna they would ever be able
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  Speaker 2: to match what Los Angeles can offer him. And God
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  Speaker 2: bless him. The only people you know, maybe the Angels
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  Speaker 2: could have but unbelievable player. Love to watch him play
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  Speaker 2: makes the game better. But do we need to tilt
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  Speaker 2: the field because they have him. It's kind of already
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  Speaker 2: tilted enough as it is, Buck Is.
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  Speaker 4: There's still a place in the game for a manager
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  Speaker 4: to pull a player mid game for maybe not hustling
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  Speaker 4: down the line or doing something on the field that's
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  Speaker 4: really not physical, but you know, you lack of effort,
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  Speaker 4: lack a huffle, something like that, and does.
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  Speaker 2: It work well. You two guys don't have to ever
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  Speaker 2: worry about this. You know, you never you played the game,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with an energy, and it was it was
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  Speaker 2: part of the job description. I kind of chuck when
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  Speaker 2: I hear somebody say, well, we're playing hard, We're still hey,
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  Speaker 2: it's the job description, no kidding. You know where did
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  Speaker 2: that become above and beyond the call of duty? But
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's there's a lot of different ways to
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  Speaker 2: look at it. Your players have to know that it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be taken care of someone they know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you have moments as a manager where eyes are on
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  Speaker 2: you and you know they're wonting to see the reaction
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  Speaker 2: you have. There's something that's happened on the field, and
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  Speaker 2: they have to know that well by he's going to
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  Speaker 2: be behind closed doors and so of this game. And
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  Speaker 2: sometimes you know, you say, listen, if you're embarrassing our
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  Speaker 2: club and the rest of your team, then you know
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  Speaker 2: it's open field on you. But you're not vin Dick
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  Speaker 2: given me and you try to go, okay, what's causing this?
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  Speaker 2: Like Paul O'Neil. For years, Paul would peel out halfway
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  Speaker 2: down the line, and because he was so embarrassed because
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  Speaker 2: he was so driven to be good and perfect every time.
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  Speaker 2: But you got to take it, not necessarily at face
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  Speaker 2: dayue you got to step back as a manager and go, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what's reality here and what is somebody trying to throw
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  Speaker 2: it in your face that I don't have to play
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  Speaker 2: hard or run hard. You know, there's guys you could bud,
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  Speaker 2: guys both know you're out easily, and there's a kind
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  Speaker 2: of I used to tell them about not fake running,
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  Speaker 2: but hey, give me an effort. I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 2: your best bolt, but I used to call it cover
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  Speaker 2: your ass to play the game this way and just
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  Speaker 2: cove yourself. Make sure that's not one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that they can get on you about. And hey, if
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  Speaker 2: you've talked to him, and you talked to him and
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  Speaker 2: it still continues, I would rather eliminate that player from
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  Speaker 2: the roster as opposed to creating a firestorm for the
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  Speaker 2: other twenty five players, because the first thing I gonna
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  Speaker 2: do is they're gonna come ask Eric, or they're gonna
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  Speaker 2: come ask you know you guys, Kevin, Hey, what do
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  Speaker 2: you think about the manager? And now you've got a
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  Speaker 2: problem for the players. You know they don't want to
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  Speaker 2: have to deal with that, so you got to handle it.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Let's go to one of the hottest teams
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  Speaker 3: in the game right now. They won last night the
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  Speaker 3: New York Mets. They're one to zero. Do you see
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  Speaker 3: the glass half full or do you see it half empty?
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  Speaker 3: And if it's half empty, do they what is it
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  Speaker 3: that they need to solidify to continue moving in the
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  Speaker 3: right direction.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you've heard me say before. Nobody's as bad as
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  Speaker 2: the game makes you think you are, and nobody's as
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  Speaker 2: good as a game. Sometimes sometimes a ball looks like
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  Speaker 2: a watermelon, and sometimes it looks like a little golf ball.
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  Speaker 2: And the game gets sped up sometime and the game
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  Speaker 2: gets slowed down. But they're better than this. We all
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  Speaker 2: know that. And I'm a firm believer guys that you
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  Speaker 2: seek your level, whatever it is. There's too many games
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  Speaker 2: being played. If you have a strength, it'll show up.
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  Speaker 2: If you have a weakness, it'll show up. And the
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  Speaker 2: challenge is to keep a grip on reality. Why those
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  Speaker 2: around you are saying the sky is falling. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I've said, well, nobody's been in the playoffs after losing
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  Speaker 2: twelve games. Well let's be the first. Let's be the first. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: two weeks from now, especially where they are in their schedule,
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  Speaker 2: you could be talking about the go go Mets. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's quick they're talented. They have some pitching depth that
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  Speaker 2: will it will show up if they stay healthy. That's
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  Speaker 2: a big, big prerequisite whether you can keep the people
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  Speaker 2: you're counting on the field. But now I still think
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  Speaker 2: that they're going to seek their level and play better
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  Speaker 2: on the scoreboard. You know, it's got to be about
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  Speaker 2: the game. The scoreboard tells you how to play the game,
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  Speaker 2: and nobody's got to tell you how you're doing. The
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  Speaker 2: standings tell you every day.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, so I just got back from covering the Blue
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  Speaker 4: Jays Angels game and back to back games. The Angels
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  Speaker 4: outfielder through to the wrong base which led to two
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  Speaker 4: runs on the same play. Who's the blame for that?
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  Speaker 2: You know? Sonny Brady Anderson, their hitting coats, text me
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  Speaker 2: the other night and he actually sent me one of
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  Speaker 2: the plays and said, what should you have done here?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure which play you're talking about?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, which one are you talking about? Because I saw
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  Speaker 4: both plays and was it the Uh?
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  Speaker 2: The guy was playing up the middle and the ball
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  Speaker 2: was back inside on the short stop, went into lost center.
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  Speaker 2: The guy ended up scoring. You know. Uh, that was
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  Speaker 2: a unique play. It's not one that you'll practice on
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  Speaker 2: the on the backfield in spring training. But the key
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  Speaker 2: is get the ball out of your hands to a
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  Speaker 2: infielder as quick as possible, to a fielder who can
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  Speaker 2: redirect the ball either way. See there's a possible play
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  Speaker 2: second on that play, but the the you know, the
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  Speaker 2: the advantage. The prerequisite is always a guy going to
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  Speaker 2: the plate, so you always want to be in a
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  Speaker 2: position to not get caught watching the paint drive, which
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  Speaker 2: is what happened. It's a good job by the third
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  Speaker 2: base coach and even better job by the runner by
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  Speaker 2: letting him sending. So you know, the key there is
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  Speaker 2: get the ball out of your hands quickly. You don't
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  Speaker 2: never want an outfielder looking for a cutoff man. You
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  Speaker 2: should know where he's gonna be. But that was a
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  Speaker 2: unique play because and you have to pronounce, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you have to give them some steadfast rules. Hey, get
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  Speaker 2: the ball out of your hand, get it to an
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  Speaker 2: infielder quickly, a guy, and when you're not sure where
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  Speaker 2: to go is a shortstop. Go to a place where
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  Speaker 2: you can redirect the ball either way. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it was a little fuzzy what I was looking at,
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  Speaker 2: but I think I know what you're talking about. What
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  Speaker 2: do you think you played more centerfield than I did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the first play was, like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it was a little fuzzy. Miles Straw was at second base.
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  Speaker 4: The ball was hit to the third base side, he
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  Speaker 4: broke back. He ended up scoring on the play. The
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  Speaker 4: left fielder came and kind of spun. The third baseman
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  Speaker 4: had to hold, who's typically the cutoff man. So I
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  Speaker 4: understand how that play kind of got a little bit messy.
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  Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. As an outfielder, if I'm
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  Speaker 4: a little unsure, I'm getting it to the infielder as
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  Speaker 4: quick as I can getting in his hand. The second
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  Speaker 4: play I was talking about was a ball hit the
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  Speaker 4: right center field runners at first and second. The right
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  Speaker 4: fielder came up and threw it directly to second base.
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  Speaker 4: The short stuff then redirected at home and it was
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  Speaker 4: a bang bang play. He made the assumption that maybe
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  Speaker 4: he had to play at second base as opposed to
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  Speaker 4: it felt like the rule of thumb as an outfielder
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  Speaker 4: was always one base ahead. You know, want to double
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  Speaker 4: that guy at first base is always going to get
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  Speaker 4: the third base, So you're throwing one base ahead. You
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  Speaker 4: know that that's kind of what I saw. I think
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  Speaker 4: he was trying to go for that, getting the guy
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  Speaker 4: at second base when the throw. The priority should be
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  Speaker 4: always trying to stop a run from scoring.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, where they get in trouble is they get lured
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  Speaker 2: into the play at second base. Hey, this is you know,
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  Speaker 2: they throw the ball to you know, the second base,
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  Speaker 2: not thinking for sure the guy can't scroll on that play.
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  Speaker 2: But you got to keep it ahead of the runner,
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  Speaker 2: like you said. And I think a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: people assume things the rule of thumb is mantled first
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  Speaker 2: extra base hit, sure double, is that the line is
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  Speaker 2: always in a direct line with home plate, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with nobody on this direct line of second or at
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  Speaker 2: the third base Rother But this was a ball that
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  Speaker 2: didn't go all the way through the gap, Kevin.
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  Speaker 4: It was hit off the wall. It was for sure it.
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  Speaker 2: Then you got to be lined up the home plate there. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I know that they probably came off clean and they
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  Speaker 2: might have been a possible play at second. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: not that I'm not that tore up about having two
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  Speaker 2: guys out there. I'm okay with just one guy there.
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  Speaker 2: If one guy's got to hang at second base for
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  Speaker 2: a possible play there because you've never but you do
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  Speaker 2: have to have your head on a swivel as an
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  Speaker 2: infielder and know where the ensuing play is. Rundowns over
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  Speaker 2: the course of the season can make or break yet
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not rundowns, but the relays.
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, now let's get to one of the
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  Speaker 3: teams that you managed. The Yankees are talking about having
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  Speaker 3: an alternate jersey. Do you feel like there is one
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  Speaker 3: organization that doesn't need to have an alternate jersey?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know you have it in the spring. I remember,
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  Speaker 2: Here's here's what it's about. Money, Eric much money they
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  Speaker 2: are going to make off selling this jersey. It's been
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  Speaker 2: sold as a VP jersey. Now it's a game jersey.
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  Speaker 2: I'm okay with it, Okay, I really am mean, if not,
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  Speaker 2: we've been wearing it forever. It's like, you know, beards
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  Speaker 2: and the mustaches and all the things that it's important
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  Speaker 2: to the players. In this case, it is important to merchandising,
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  Speaker 2: and they're going to be able to how much money
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  Speaker 2: you think they're going to make off selling this jersey?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's the only reason. That's the only
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  Speaker 3: reason that Major League Baseball or that Nike signed with
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  Speaker 3: Major League Baseball, and they want to sell Dodgers jerseys,
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: and they want to sell Yankees jerseys because you know,
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna always they don't have anybody's names on them,
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  Speaker 3: so they're gonna get so many, like forever. You're just
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  Speaker 3: gonna sell jersey after after jersey.
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  Speaker 2: All right, here's my pet peeve of spring training. You
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  Speaker 2: go to play the Red Sox and let's tell you're
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  Speaker 2: the Orias and you've got an orange jersey and they
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  Speaker 2: got a red jersey. Or you play somebody and the
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  Speaker 2: Phillies are playing another team that's in red, and they're
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  Speaker 2: both wearing red jerseys. You know this is the big leagues.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't you carry more than one? Both the clubies call
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  Speaker 2: each other and hey, what are you wearing today? The
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  Speaker 2: home team always, hey, we're wearing red. Okay, we'll come
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  Speaker 2: over and gray. I mean, it's somebody's lazy not wanting
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  Speaker 2: to pack the rest of the jerseys. There's no way
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  Speaker 2: in a big league game that both teams should be
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  Speaker 2: wearing the same jerseys. College baseball doesn't do that. I
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  Speaker 2: look at that on TV and I usually can show
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  Speaker 2: you somebody that was a little lazy didn't make the
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  Speaker 2: phone call. What do you guys think?
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  Speaker 1: By the way, well, Buck, I want to go back
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  Speaker 1: to what some of the big boys on the Yank set.
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  Speaker 1: So John Carlow was asked about this, and he was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we can have tradition, but like, can we have you know,
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  Speaker 1: one alter, different look or something fun and we can
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  Speaker 1: still have tradition for basically the rest if you and
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  Speaker 1: I will say, if you look at the tradition meter,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the Yankees are following it to a t
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  Speaker 1: versus many other teams. The one that I thought was money, Buck,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna love this if you didn't catch it. Did
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: you see what Judge said? Judges like, yeah, we got
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  Speaker 1: insurance patches on the jerseys. I think we can do
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  Speaker 1: some other things. Now we already broke it. We're good.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's tradition. Is tradition also broken when you were
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: like a neon green arm sleeve or a mint arm sleeve,
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: Like does that kind of break the tradition too?
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  Speaker 3: Or tattoos you you used.
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  Speaker 2: To have to wear a certain sleeve, a certain shoe color.
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  Speaker 2: If you had stripes, you had to be a certain color.
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  Speaker 2: We've lost the uniform police. There is no such thing anymore,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: because you know, as soon as you say something, wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute, I am remembering ex so I'm celebrating someday
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: and you go, oh gosh, I'll keep my mouth shut.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: So it ain't worth fighting as a manager. Then I'd
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: be more entitled, you know, I would want to fight
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: doing a good cutoff and relay as opposed to worrying
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: about sleeves and shoes and whatever. I'd rather you play
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: the game, right. But man, you know, judge, what's he
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: going to say? What would someone come to him and go, hey,
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: we're not gonna be able to give you that contract
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: because we didn't put this insurance form or hospital patch
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: on your jersey. And by the way, we didn't do
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: those alternate jerseys, so we're not bringing enough money to
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: pay you. Guys.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: That would change, Bob, give us your thoughts on the
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: old Tawny rule. You know, great council coming out saying
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: what he had to say about it. Give us your
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: thoughts as an opposing manager of someone that has to
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: potentially play at a disadvantage against the Dodgers.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, first of all, you're a disadvantage when the
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: game starts they're really good. They you know, they take
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: advantage of, you know, the rules, and they get good
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: people that post up they had they choose, they spend
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: their money wisely, and you know, twenty managers probably agree
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: with counsel. Okay, And I expect Dave Roberts to not
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: be to have the opinion he as I would too.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: But if you don't think it's if you think it's
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: a level playing field where the Dodger is concerned, and
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I got a bridge you can buy, but
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: they don't. It is what it is. Everybody throws stones
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: at people that are successful, you know, it's you know,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I think one of the hardest things to do in
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: sports is to play a good hand well. And Dave
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Roberts plays a good hand well, and Joe Torrey played
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: a good hand well. Now they'll tell you, you know,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: some other guys tell you we'll come over here in
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh and a few other places Miami, and you know,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you might be looked at a little differently. But I
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: don't Just that you can have more pictures than somebody
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: else on paper doesn't seem fair. You know, I'm sure
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: there's a lot more to it than that. And I
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: don't want to do anything that keeps Otani from showing
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: how great his skills are. But could you imagine back
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: when it was ten or eleven or twelve pitchers, if
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: they were trying to do this.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, to me, buck, the argument also of will
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: get your own Otani? I mean there are none. There
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: are no tinis, and the rule is not going to
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: create it. I think that's pretty clear at this point,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: don't you.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: You know it's funny I lose to japan ALP time
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: we tried to sign Itchy Row years ago. The dinonbacks
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: almost got thrown in Jell over there because I got
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: him to take a picture with a diamondback jersey, and
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, you'd think I was trying to steal
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the national treasure, which he was. Do you know what
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: hit me? With him and MONTSOUI were so much better
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: than everybody else over there. Everybody thought they could get
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: the third or fourth best player and get a really
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: good player. There were such a drop off between those
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: two guys and the next best player, and now that's
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: not the case. I mean, you see the kid with
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: the white sox, and you see I was looking at
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: his stats this morning about what he did in Japan
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: before he came over, and a lot of people try
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: to figure out what Japan the level it is compared
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: to this. The pitching is good over there. I mean,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I'd feel comfortable having a pitching staff full of Japanese pictures.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: But you know, I don't know. It's it's an interesting dynamic.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I don't want to do anything that gets in the
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: way of fans enjoying Otani's unbelievable skills.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So then, in conclusion, if you were in charge, would
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you have that rule or not?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: No, you would not. There's no whether I'm going to
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: let one team have more pictures than another one.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: What about the end game rule of losing the DH,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: because right, Kratz didn't bring us all in for a
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Secondkrats didn't burp, just say he would even go way
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: back to, hey, you take out your pitcher, you lose
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the DH.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yep, that was his. That was his opinion.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Kind of like that rule where you're trying to make
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: starting pictures hang around more. You want to talk about
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: longer laevers. You're going to need longer laevers more. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: want that guy you walk in twenty minutes for the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: games somebody's sick. You're starting in fifteen minutes. Let me
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: get my spikes and i'll go. But I'm off. You know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I like that rule where if you take your starting
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: pitcher out before x ny that you lose the DH.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: You like that, Well, I was talking about he was
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: talking about Otani, right, Kratz.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was able to stay as the DH. Efter
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: he comes out. Murph is saying that he shouldn't be
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: able to stay as the DH. He should go to
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: play a position or they lose the DH.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny. It's years ago I pitched
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Chris Davis in Fenway Park. We run to pitcher fourteen fifteen,
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: sixteenth in and whatever. But Chris was the DH that day,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: and I knew the rule that you could take your
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: DH and put him in the pitch. Bobby Valentine's with
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox, and he got all upset about it,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and then he ended up putting his DH in the game.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure you could do that in today's game.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Can I take Otani as a DH and put him in.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I always thought they should close him that way. He
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: could impact your game every day. You know, dahs for
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: eight innings and comes in and blows them, you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: pitches the ninth inning and finishes a game. Wonder why
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: they would? I wonder if they'd ever thought about that.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Well, book, what happens if he's on base in the
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: eighth inning, he doesn't have time to warm up? Then
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: what do you do? Do the make a new rule
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: for that. They get a ghost runner, you get a
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: free pinch runner. He gets more time to warm up.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Would it be cool? Though? He could impact every game
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: as a pitcher and a position player, every game he
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: could come in. I've always wondered. I'm sure they thought
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: of him, Why they've never thought about him closing?
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: You know, I think it was I think it was
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: discussed a little bit during the World Series because he
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: had pitched in Game five or six, No, he pitched
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: Game seven. There was a time during that World Series
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: where they had discussed what the kind of the rules
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: were if he was dhing, would he be available to
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: come in and pitch, And the answer was yes. But
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: then when he removes the game, when he's removed from
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: the game, he couldn't go back into the DH spot,
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: So they would have had to pick their situation very Uh,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: strategical Yeah, yeah, I mean I think he could. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: think he could, but I think during that time, with
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: him having no experience in the outfield, they you know,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: imagine he comes in in a World Series game, he
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: blows the save, they have to bring in a new reliever.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: Now Otwi's done for the game, right, so I think.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: But I think that's what makes him so cool is
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: like we sit here, we could kind of speculate about
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: all these different kind of rules and things because he's
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: the only one who can do it. And if there
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: was more players that could do it, teams could use
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: the advantage. And I'm sure there's certain players in organizations,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: even on big league rosters, that potentially could probably pitch
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: a little bit, not to the level of Otani, but
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: I think there's more teams that need to figure out
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: a way to kind of use that rule to their advantage.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: If you have a guy, you know, a utility guy
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: on your bench who's got a good arm, if you
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: could pitch him every once in a while and and
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: deem him as a pitcher, you know, I think there's
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: there's ways to bend the rule. And I know, Buck,
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: you would definitely find a way to utilize that rule
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: to your team's advantage.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny with Chris that day, at a good point,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: he's on base, how do you warm him up? Well, yeah, Chris,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: we just sit him down a bullpen. I knew he
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: had pitched at Longview and in junior college a little bit.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Looking at his bio, I knew that, and he had
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: a big arm, and I just said, without any hey, Chris,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: once you head down the bullpen this was Finway Park,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and warm up a little bit. And he kind of
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: looked at me. Those eyes got big because I didn't
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: want him to think about it for a long time.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, we had time for him to go
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: down there and warm up. But you bring up a
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: good point, how do you warm him up if he's
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: on deck? I mean on base.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: That's a problem, or on deck either one.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: You'd run him up to the batting case. Probably that's
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: what we do with Chris a little bit. But I
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: was going to ask you, guys, we were talking about
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: ballparks today, ballparks that fans love that player hate to
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: go to because of the dugout and the clubhouses, Like,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: how dare you say anything about Wrigley Field or Finway Park.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: The first thing we always did was look on our
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: schedule when the forty man roster. Do we go to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Wrigley phil or Finway with a forty man roster expansion?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's awful. There is no space forty
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: guys in the clubhouse. I think you had to go
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: back to dressing at the hotel. Okay, all you young
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: guys that got called up, you're dressing at the hotel
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: like college take you.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: But do you think we're Do you think that's something
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: that give your thought on that too, because obviously, you know,
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: when you were able to bring up forty guys, it
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: made the game really long. You know, teams were able
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: to kind of use their bullpen differently, but also gave
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: guys their opportunity to come up. What's your kind of
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: thought on that? You know, I think I was a
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: September call up, you know, my first time around. I
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: don't know if I get that opportunity with the rules
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the way they are now.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I liked it, but I did think it was
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it skewed the competition. I know, one year we eliminated Boston,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: we played them, we could never have competed them unless
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: we had thirty seven people. We were changing pictures every
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: other hitter and it just wasn't pure. I felt bad
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: about it because we you know, they were better than us.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: But with the forty man roster, you can play matchup.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: But also it used to be a big deal to
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: get to look at some of these young players coming up.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be interesting with the new basic
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: agreement coming up. There's a lot of things that they're
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: going to have to They got a chance to get right,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be curious to watch how that all goes.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I'm not feeling good about where we're headed with all this,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to be honest with.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: You, but buck with that rule do you think it
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: would be Do you think it would change the game
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: the integrity of the game. Say you open it up
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: to forty man guys, do you think you could deem
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: a roster every single day if you gave you both
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: had to submit a roster by you know, X before
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: the game. So if you had a guy who went
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: out a long reliever like you mentioned TJ McFarlane, he
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: had to cover some innings for you, you don't have to
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: send him down. He's just not on that active roster.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: That day. You can use the same amount of pitchers,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: but you have a bigger pool of guys, maybe just
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: for this month of September, so you do get an
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: opportunity to see guys.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Could you imagine what clubs like the Dodgers and maybe
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: the Inkings whoever, would start doing though with a triple
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: eighteen in August, Let's start preparing to call up these
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: six to eight guys aren't really long term prospects, but
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: can help them win games in September. I think you'd
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: see people really circumvent the rule and start basically having
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: a taxi squad as opposed to young players that you're
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: trying to look at and get a feel for and
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: give them an opportunity. I think some teams would take
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: advantage of the rule. I know I would. I'd look
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: at our triple A club completely different if that was
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the case.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Buck, I've got some bad news. I think there's a
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: bigger issue they're going to be talking about for those talks,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and that's probably going to swallow up anything else from
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: really getting coverage.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I agree with. I think all this little minute stuff
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: like clubhouses and batting cages and warning tracks and whatever
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: is going to go away as long as they can
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: get the other stuff done. It might be like that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, mm hmm. It's taking you have a
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: problem with it. Would you have a problem with it though,
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: because it impacts your ability to go out there and argue.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: No, you know, I think we've think I guess it's intentional.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: They've kind of taken that out of play. I mean,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you have to work at it and get an argument.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: They've actually taken away the vindicted mean umpire too. You
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: can't be you can't bully a young player or something anymore.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: And I like that. I like the fact that they've
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: taken away I remember the crew would call the crew
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna have the next series, and you'd get
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: there and go, hey, I heard you gave so and so,
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: and then stick it to you. I'm telling you it
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: was tough. And they've eliminated that. They've made it fair.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of good things they've done with umpiring.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know. I thought some of the
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: arguments back when I was there the umpire's early on,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: the umpires knew it was part of the stick and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: they'd give you some leeway, and you knew there was
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: a line. You didn't cross over and they did their thing,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: You did your thing, and you went back in the dugout.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: But now it's pretty uh robotic and stiff. You can't
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: argue that. You can't argue this, and I think the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: fans suffer a little bit with that. But even in
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the minor leagues, could you they're playing six game series
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: in the minor leagues, we'd be in a fight by
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: the fourth game. There's no way we're playing the same
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: team six times without having an altered date.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but buck, that's that's good baseball.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: That's fun.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: I mean you get a little bit of a you know,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: mix up here and there in a minor league game
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to living up your week.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: It goes a couple buck on travel, you know, no
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: big deal.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I can't tell you. They have their off day, a
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: scheduled off day. It's like they you know, these guys.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Today they're saying, we're going to acquire this player because
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: we have a program we're going to plug in to
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: make him play play you know, he's not going to
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: get hurt as much. Well, usually that program entails not
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: playing as many games. I remember telling Nemo in New York.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I said, Nim you know, you got one thing you're
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: missing on your resume for somebody to commit to you,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and that's posting up and playing games. And he did.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: He posted up and played games and got the contract.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: That's the very first thing I look at with player.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: If I was looking at you guys bio, which I have,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: I would say look at games played before I looked
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: at anything else, because I don't care what you bring.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: If you're not on the field or on the rubber,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. You got to post up.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Hey, well about that. That's actually my last question. I'm
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: going to take us back to the Mets conversation. And
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I was not a fan of the Nemo Semian trade.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: And then you see the Mets go through their losing
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: sched just now, and you're like, oh, they could really
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: use a Brandon Nemo in almost every way. I mean,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you manage him, so you can tell this better than
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I can. And I don't know if you came across
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Semi and much. And this isn't against Semian as much.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: It's against the move and how it created half of
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the infield to be out of place. You know, for
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: me heading into the season, they're like, yeah, ideally, Boba.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Schet look pretty smooth at second. I'd put him there.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: That's where many teams think he should be long term,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and then Beatty give him a shot to just play
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: every day third base. You've got Lindord short Once Semion
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: came aboard and they wanted to get rid of Nemo
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: so badly, it felt like they really messed up the
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: flow of the infield. Did you feel that way, Well,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: There's so many things going on there that you don't
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: know about, but I think a lot of it had
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: to do with a link of contract. I think I
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: think Brandon was owed like five years, you have to
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: correct me, and I think Simmon was three. If nothing else,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: your commitment there is completely different, and you saw a
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: window to get out of that. And you know they're
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: both good major league players. You know, I know nim Well,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: great human being, just a solid teammate impacts a clubhouse,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and not that Marcus doesn't. I'm just saying I can
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: only speak for one half of it. I'd love to
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: have Brandon Nimo in my club be He's got a
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: pure heart, and you know he plays through some stuff too,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And I think they just didn't think that by the
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: end of that contract, those extra two years. That's what
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: it looks like from afar. But like I said, I'm
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: not in the inside stuff. I mean, what do you think.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I called it out quite a bit,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and I mean, you hate to do that stuff when
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it makes you look good, but you got to call
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  Speaker 1: it out right now. I mean, I know it's only
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a month in the season, but he's one of the
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: best hitters in baseball right now for the.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: First That deal two years old too, and we're already
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: talking about the length of the contract. If you had
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: a problem with the length of the contract, don't give
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: him the length of the contract, because you know, it's
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: not like it's ten years. It's not like it's a
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: ten year deal. When we were in year six of it,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: it was like, you know, that deal was only two
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: years old. So that's it's a crazy thing to like
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  Speaker 4: it ties me.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It's not the player's fault that you give him this contract.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, why why be mad at them? You know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: if a guy's getting a two billion dollars race and
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: striking out one hundred and eighty times's who's not smart yet?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: The player they're going to chase what you pay them
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: for Okay, it's not their fault. I never got mad
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: at the players. I go, gosh, you know we're with
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: dummy here, not them. And he put up good numbers
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  Speaker 2: last year too. Yeah, you would think like, oh man,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. I mean, if you look back at him.
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  Speaker 2: I talked to the scout that signed him out of
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Wyoming High School, think about that. Hey, this is a
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: guy I think beating the table. I think we should
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: draft our first pick. I'd go, Okay, give me an
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: example of somebody with his background that we should believe in.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: That's unbelievable for scouting, unbelievable. I think Chad McDonald had
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: a lot to do with the mess at that time.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I'd ask him, I go, how did you guys have
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the guts to make that pick? I don't know if
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I could. I don't know if I could. Well, he clearly.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, if your brandon, them are going to stand
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: out in Wyoming, and not a lot of big league
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: ball player, all Star caliber players coming out of Wyoming,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: so it's hard to compare him to the rest of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the state. But they figured it out.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Buck. You've seen those football teams, the little schools that
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: can only scrimmage one side of the line at the time. Well,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: maybe they could only play one side of the field
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: at a time. I don't know. I don't know how
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: they ever got that many kids to play. I don't know.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: He might not have had a high school team.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a whole story today. He did
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of showcase, a lot of travel. We've talked
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: about it and on the plane and different stuff. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: he he's a good human being, good mom and dad, wife,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: He's he's he's a good one. He's a you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: who's a guy like that? A consistent personality because I
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: love consistent personalities and clubhouses. You never had to ask
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: what kind of mood Peter Alongso was in. He never
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: was in a bad mood. Brandon was never in a
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: bad mood. Yeah. I got a great text from Jeff McNeil.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Jeff's doing well. You know, you got to get those guys.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Thank god, they're not all the same. You know, Lindor's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: not McNeil, McNeil's not Soto, SODA's not Lindore. I mean,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: can you imagine how bored would be if every personality
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: was the same.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: M hm, oh yeah, I mean, hey, we don't have
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Zinski on today. But I mean he was very different
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: from just about everyone else, and and he had some
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: winning and you put somehow Persenti and asie Gi in
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: together and it created winning baseball. So if you can
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: do that, that should really tell you that. You know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: life is like a box of chocolates, right buck, You know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: What's funny is Aja from Afar. I never heard so
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: many guys go, oh, this guy can't stand look at
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: this guy. And I would always go, well, don't look
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: at him. Don't look at him. You'd like to have
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: him on our team, though, wouldn't you? Well, yeah I would, Yeah,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I'd like to have him on my team. I always
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: said I'll take Aj anytime they want to trade with us.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: But I used to tell guys, well, don't look at
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: him if he makes upset. You know, he's wears his
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: emotions on his sleeve. You never had to worry what
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: he was thinking because it was right.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like that's like the ultimate almost. I mean,
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: ninety percent of the time, there's certain guys that you
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: just don't like because there's certain things. But I feel
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: like that's the ultimate compliment is when guys on other
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: teams don't like you, and then you go down the
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: road and you become teammates with him, You're like, dude,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: I was totally wrong about you. I feel like maybe
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: I had that same feeling about AJ before I started
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: doing this. You know, AJ ended up being a great
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: friend to me in this business. So yeah, I think
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: that's an ultimate compliment when guys hate guys on other teams,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: much like Pap. If that's Pap in the background, probably
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: a guy you didn't like on the other.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Team Mississippi State. I liked him. We both went to
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: the same college. He's he's in the Ring of Honor.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I think, didn't he Yeah, welcome you know, you can
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: welcome me in to the Ring of honor. No, Pap
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: was one of those guys. I'd take him anytime he
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: wanted to come play for us. But you know I
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: heard no expression always kept in mind dumb player. Dumb
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: players get you fired. Billy Martin told me at all
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: time he goes a tie breaker, dumb players will get
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: you fired. Is that whole expression? You can't fix stupid,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: You can't fix stupid.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Last thing is just going back to what you were saying
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: before with AJ. Hey, some I know some players that
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: are really bothered by Wilson contraras as a fan, and
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it's fun to watch. He can spice up a game
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: in mid April, mid May. And also he's the top
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: three hitter on the Red Sox right now, and he's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: a good first baseman. Dude, you gets a good player.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: The only problem I ever had was when some antics
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: are action by players put their teammates and arms away.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I remember talking to Manny one time, so man he
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: will back you anytime, every time. But there's nothing worse
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: for a player to be on the field with an
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: unjust cause. That drives guys crazy. When I'm out here,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: know one that my teammate was wrong. You don't want
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: to do that consistently. I said, make sure you have
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: a just cause before you get involved in an altercation,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: and that's what would drive you crazy.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Well, Buck, this was good. I hope this just felt
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: like a casual conversation. There are, you know, thousands watching
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: all over the place, so that's what we try and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: do here, just hang out for a little bit.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: You got Pap next, Pat Bond.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's literally he just ready.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys had been to Starkville Mississippi. I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: didn't think so you gotta go.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: I wasn't good enough. I wasn't good enough in my
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: collegiate career day to to to go play there.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Yes you were. I was the first team.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Pardon I was not.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: They don't they call it stark Vegas for a reason.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: To ask you good good seeing you guys. We'll at him,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: look at him, thank you about You're the best care