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Talks to Paul Arthur about his choice of Destiny of the Daleks (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker, quicker.
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Welcome back to a Hamster with a Blood pen knife, the Doctor Who
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Commentary podcast. Now, Paul, I've got a very
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serious question to ask you. Oh shoot, go for it.
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Well, I understand that from previous episodes that you have
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created an army of deaf machines to conquer the universe.
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Is that right? Well, I mean, you may have heard
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this, there may have been some speculation and rumour, but that
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is simply not true, Joe. Well.
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Look, don't look behind me. I'd like to inform you that I am
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in fact the evil genius that created the gay disco robots,
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the Mevellums, to battle it out with your collections.
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I've been in a an impasse with those guys as stalemates, if you
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will. You created the gay robots.
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That's. Right.
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From the disco. Oh my goodness.
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In a moment of insane genius, I have created a virus that, of
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course, because it's me, makes your evil robots ejaculate
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everywhere and die. Well, well, that's you may have
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done that, but before you can even consider releasing this
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virus, I'm just going to pull your finger off your belt and
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you're going to do that weird dance that you do.
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Oh. No.
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Look, Look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look,
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look, look, look, look, look, look.
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Oh, dear. Oh, Paul.
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I mean, I just. You're so kind.
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The way you go along with all this idiocy.
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Thank you. It's like it's like doing an
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improv class like calling. I should be on whose line is it
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anyway or something? Have you ever done an improv
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class? Oh God, no, no.
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I did 1 and I was so embarrassed I froze in the middle of 30
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people. See, I like to think of myself
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as being like this amazing raconteur you can do, you know,
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chat shit and stuff. But I mean, if anyone listen to
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Part 1 where I fucked up the intro, really, really will know
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that. Yeah.
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I don't have the confidence to kind of put myself out there
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like that, I think. A little bit of behind the
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scenes information though. If you did, and I don't think
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you did because you've covered it well, think that Paul did
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have a dodgy start to episode 1. You need to know that I gave him
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no time to prepare whatsoever. I said, right, you're starting,
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let's go 321. I think it was in the moment.
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It wasn't the spotlight. But I should have you know, I
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should have improved it yes and you know, just it's all yes and
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isn't it and I I, I dropped the ball.
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So apologies, ham fan. I apologise for the intro to
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Part 1, but hopefully the intro to this one made-up for.
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It if you want to be a rock on tour, you know, just start
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quoting Henry Gordon Jago Lions, you know.
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Yes, can. You do 1.
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See, this is this is where I'm going to fall down because you
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put me on the spot and I'm like, beyond, oh, corks.
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I can't think of a single thing. Oh, this was great.
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You know this one, the most formidable combination in the
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annals of criminology. It is my oh God, what is he
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saying? It is my pleasure and honour to
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be working with you on this devilish affair.
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See how so much so much smoother and better than than I?
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So yeah, I think, I think that's your bag mate.
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I. Thought Corks was pretty good,
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actually. What we're here to watch today.
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We are here for the final, the climax, the yeah, the amazing,
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stunning ending to Destiny of the Darks.
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I think I'm going to fight you in this episode, you know,
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because you said earlier in this commentary that you actually
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think that there's some difficulties.
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I think this is a great episode 4.
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I think for me, this is where it falls down a little bit and we
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talked so much about, I mean, the the high points of the the
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story so far. The direction is great.
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I do think the design is really, really good and I I think it's
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really solidly put together. But here we've got a hell of a
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lot of David Goodison as Davros. I just don't think he commands.
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He Duffy has quite has the gravitas and he doesn't deliver
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on the lines. He gets some kind of potentially
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juicy lines that a good performance could really make
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sing. And I just don't think he kind
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of delivers here. The scenes where he's in the
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kind of Daleky Basie area and he's kind of commanding those
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like 3 or 4 Daleks there. Yeah, not not great.
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And in particular the bit where Tom is kind of disable the Dalek
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and it's failing. Around.
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I love that. And David Goodison is like.
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Left, left to your left to your right this way.
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Yeah, I I think, I think other other actors could have made
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that work. I just don't think he does here.
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Don't like a bit of farce in your Dalek action?
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Again, Willie, I don't know it. It falls and and I yeah, I love,
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I love camp, I love silly. My sense of humour is pretty
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silly and I love humour and Doctor Who.
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And this hadn't bothered me before.
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Like I talked earlier, this hadn't bothered me previously,
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but like having to look at this critically now and, and this is
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how I really wanted to go. Yeah, this is way better than
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Genesis because Genesis is massively overrated.
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It is a well executed story. There's lots to enjoy with
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Genesis, but it's I, I'm quite a country bastard, like a lot of
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fans. I'm quite a country bastard
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really. So when everyone tells me
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something's brilliant, I'm like, it's not, it's not all that.
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And I want, I want destiny to, I want destiny to be better.
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And it kind of isn't quite. What surprised me watching it
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this time was they saved some money for the end of the story.
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So there's a big action set piece outside the Movellin ship
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where people are being shot down left, right and centre and the
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disco robots are falling down in slow motion.
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I mean all it. Needs to be in this episode is
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really good. Yeah, you're right.
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Then they're put in a few strings of, you know, macho,
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macho man. As the Movellins are falling
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down. It'll be more.
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But I mean, I love the shots as well of the Daleks on three
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levels, carrying the ball to the ship.
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Yeah, that's great. I mean, when they blow up, it's
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a fucking amazing explosion. And the amount of petrol they
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must have put inside those shells, I mean the bits of Dalek
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fly up into the stratosphere. You're right, it is pretty.
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There's a lot of action in this one.
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You are right. And and like, it has been all
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the way through. King Grieve directs it
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amazingly. You know, David Yip looks like
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an absolute badass. Is a shot of him like kneeling
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down and kind of firing at the the Daleks?
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Yeah. So there's a lot of really cool
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stuff like that. I think the only thing that lets
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it down for me really is is Davros.
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And then I do want to talk about the bit the doctor's going,
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Davros, because, you know, the conclusion that the story draws
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is, is that Tom Baker is scarier than David Goodison could ever
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be. And in a moment of insane
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lunacy, he grasped across his hands and slapped down on the
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bow with this huge grin on his face.
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And honest to God, I don't think Tom Baker's ever seem more
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dangerous in the role. It's so.
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Funny, Yeah. Would you say he's a dangerous
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man when he's a dangerous fellow?
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When he doesn't know what he's doing, that is.
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That's a great and yeah, yeah, yeah, he is really good in this.
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I mean, and I shouldn't laugh. I shouldn't.
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But the biggest belly laugh I get in this whole story is when
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Tolkim goes bye bye. I mean, it's just ridiculous.
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But well, look, let's let's see how this climactic final episode
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goes, shall we? I mean, we may change our mind
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as we go through. Indeed, Yeah.
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I mean, talking over it always helps it.
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Does it does? As long as there's lots of
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pretty pictures I'll be happy. Indeed.
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Yeah, absolutely. Would you care to count us in?
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OK. Then if we are ready, we are
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going to go in 321. Down the great time tunnel of
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the Tom Baker sequence. Before we get into this one, one
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thing I did want to talk about is the the season 17 trailer
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that kind of preceded this, the one where it's where there's a
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voice. There's like a kind of really
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roughly, roughly put together kind of jungle set and the
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TARDIS is in this this kind of TV jungle and there's a voice
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that says Doctor awake. You've never.
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Seen that? You must say, oh, you must have
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seen it. It's on a Blu-ray.
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Look it up on YouTube. It's like it got big letters at
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the beginning. It says suddenly, suddenly,
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suddenly, and it's like the return the tone of season 17.
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It's really funny and it's the kind of it's it's not this Tom
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because obviously we talked about how this time is quite
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sombre. He's playing he's down playing
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it. But this is more of the the kind
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of wacky Looney Tunes William Zero Doctor talking about how
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the universe, the universe has got much more noisy these days
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and he can't be left in there and he he puts a sign up on the
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TARDIS offers go like don't disturb until September 1st.
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I've. Never seen that have.
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You never seen that? Oh my goodness.
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Oh, right. OK, well after this.
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Process on the DVD. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's on. I have.
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To take it out. It's on it's on YouTube just
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just, yeah, look it up straight away.
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It's really just a fun little and I love the fact that it's
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like a, you know, it's a purpose.
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It's a bespoke trailer. So it's not just a clips from
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the show. It's like they actually took the
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effort of getting a bit of scenery and and filming a bit of
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Tom. That is the difference between
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when sort of 10 to 15,000,000 people are watching Doctor Who
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in the 70s, they'll do a bespoke trailer, and when 3 to 5 million
10:48
people are watching Doctor Who in the late 80s because they
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didn't even trail Season 26 at all, I don't think.
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Now, I do need to confess to you, Paul, that I accidentally
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press play on City of Death Part 1.
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I suddenly thought, well, where? Where's this impressive.
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No, no, no, you haven't got to stop.
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I've sort of tried to figure out whereabouts I would have been in
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Destiny, The Daleks Part 4, but I'm just going to try and sync
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up with you now. What?
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What time stamp are you at? I am at 2:13.
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Oh my God, I got his spot. Oh wow.
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Yes. Oh my God, I'm literally there.
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What? Davros.
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Yeah, in the control room, surrounded by Daleks.
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Yeah. And this is this kind of scenes
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that I was saying. I don't think it just doesn't
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land for me. I just don't think he's very
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good in this. I mean, the lies could be great
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if they were sort of purred, you know, My safety must be your
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primary concern. You could imagine how someone
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like wish you would deliver something like that.
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Absolutely. And you know, we say in the
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Williams there is full of great actors like that.
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He would deliver something like that.
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But this? That's one thing this story
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doesn't have. What's so funny is that look, he
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gets this massive disco ball delivered to him and then it
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lights up like a disco. And then he's saying that is a
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total I will dispute most. Vigorously Hi, I'm the supreme
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commander. So now suddenly the Daleks have
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gone from being in charge of their own destiny to just
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simpering Subs to Davros. Yeah, well, we were saying
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earlier, how about that They show so little imagination and
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the dialogue isn't particularly rich for the for the for the
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Daleks. So yeah.
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That is the most 70s shot ever. That zoom in on Davros with that
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massive crystal ball lit up. I wonder what music he's getting
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on that. Yeah, what would he listen to?
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Well. Isco.
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I was thinking village people. Oh boy, yes, YMCA actually.
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Do you know all the Mavellans are people of colour, aren't
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they? Apart from apart from a gala.
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So I made this mistake years ago.
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I thought they were all all people of colour.
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But what's the chops? She's not.
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She's not at all. Do you know, I wonder if those
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wigs are available anywhere on eBay?
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You know, I think you and me would look quite fiction in one
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of those. Yeah, absolutely we could.
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We could go down the the gay sci-fi disco robots, of course.
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One race of robots fighting another.
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So, and I think this is, this is what Douglas Adams brings to
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Doctor Who. People say he's shit on
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structure, right? All the core concepts have been
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introduced and now in a really playful ways, Rock, paper,
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scissors. They explain why the two races
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of robots are stuck in this situation and why.
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Why a human being or a person with some illogic to them would
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be able to get out of it. Yeah, because.
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It's the kind of concept that could be quite difficult for
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kids to maybe get their head around.
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And this is like, as you say, it's a really straightforward
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way of explaining it and. And you can demonstrate it, I
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think. Yeah, I think it works really,
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really well. Oh look, it's.
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Actually dancing with that crystal ball.
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Now Davros brings the disco. Wherever he goes.
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What's the most disco Y sort of song?
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I can't even think now. Yeah, I think way MCA.
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Yeah, it's the Gator Song. Sure, maybe he's got a lot of
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Daleks with erect guns around him, and you see now as well.
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Look at this purely as a script. Yeah, take.
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Gosh, he's wobbling away in that chair.
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Really. Yeah.
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He's like. Like a wobbly Dalek.
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Yeah, it's crossed. Davros is having a fit.
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Somebody help him out the. Old boy's falling over again.
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He's he's cutting between the Doctor and Romana discussing
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this with Bevellum to Davros and the Daleks talking about it and
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into cutting those scenes. It's it's well structured.
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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And, and it's only here, Part 4, we'll be getting the the full
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explanation. You know, we've had all that
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exploration at the beginning where they're kind of like the
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first part where they're walking through Scar Row and they are,
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you know, it really does take its time to kind of reveal
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itself, the story. And yeah, why don't you say?
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The Terry Nation. Terry Nation wouldn't have
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thought of rock, paper, scissors, I don't think.
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He's not a playful writer. No, no, he probably would
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probably be aligned in there saying some, you know,
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demonstrate the, the, the logical impasse or something
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like that. And he probably would have left
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it up to us to to figure out. Oh I love.
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This Look at the revellers playing.
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Yeah, yeah. Did you ever use rock, paper,
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scissors to sort of determine things in your life?
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I mean, I do use it quite a lot. I think, I think my kids tend to
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when they were younger would decide what, you know, he was
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going to go in the bar 1st and that kind of thing with with
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real papers. I think this is possibly where I
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first came across it. I don't know if I, I was aware
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of it before watching this for the first time.
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I mean I. I do question.
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There's one thing I question here, and that is I think
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statistically the doctor wouldn't win every single time
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he goes up against the Mavellian.
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Sometimes they would just accidentally win.
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Being. Being.
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Illogical doesn't necessarily mean you're going to, you know,
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yeah, you're going to look at that.
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In the background he goes, oh, that looks like a great fun
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game. He's got a big smile on his
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face. Peter Streaker, I think he's
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really striking. We haven't talked about him at
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all. He's.
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Beautiful as well, right? Isn't he?
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Yeah, look, it's. Always.
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Yeah, yeah. Really unusual.
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And I think he's terrific in this for someone.
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I don't think he wasn't that was he more of a dancer than an
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actor, I think. I think he gives a brilliant
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performance. I mean.
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You are sort of allowed to be a bit bland when you're playing a
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Movellen because you're supposed to be a robot with a flat voice.
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There's something sort of Serpentine about his eyes.
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Yeah, yeah. He's really striking and I think
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I think he very much undervalued villain here.
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And the scene, the the fight he gets at the end with Romana is
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brilliant where she kind of drop kicks his arm off.
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Yeah, it's incredible. And that.
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Makes perfect sense. We'll go into space, detonate
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the Nova device, destroy Davros so they've got no advantage, and
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then we've got our advantage in you.
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Yeah. It's pure logic, you know.
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Oh, you nobody destroys that rock there.
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I mean, it's clearly just full of mud, isn't it?
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Yeah, but fuck me, there's a bit in a minute where Romana fights
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one of the mevellums and it's the muckiest action scene since
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Colony in Space. Yeah, that's.
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The the scene with Striker yeah yeah that yeah really desperate
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struggle like already desperate fight and those there is
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pristine white suit gets all kind of muddied up looks and her
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coat. That's probably why she wears it
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again. I like to think that Time Lords
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are sort of, you know, super football players, which is why
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when Romana kicks his arm later, it sort of falls off.
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She's got the. Five muscles of an elephant.
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Yeah. Oh, Oh, shit.
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That's Lala Wood. Sorry, sorry.
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Lala. If you ever have, she's coming.
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For you now RIP my head off. Paul who?
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That was literally the worst thing I could say.
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We. We.
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Were talking about Nelly the elephant, La La yeah, yeah,
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yeah. Yeah, yeah, Nelly the elephant.
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Is pink, therefore no. What is it again?
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What's the line? Yeah, all elephants are pink.
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Nelly. Nelly is the elephant.
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Therefore. Nelly is pink.
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That's right. Yeah.
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Yeah. And you know what a human would
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say? Oh, so they're.
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They're going to do the same thing.
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Dave Ross is literally saying, right, we'll lift off, destroy
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the DOXA, and then we'll have the advantage.
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OK, so they're both doing. So we're doing, we're unlock a
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countdown here. Yeah.
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Yeah. And we said like we.
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Said at the beginning. There's a lot of lot of action
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in this this last part. It it reminds go with me.
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It reminds me a bit of the power of Crawl.
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You know, in the OK, the I think both the power of crawl and
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Destiny Daleks climax on a lot of action and a lot of high
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drama. Yeah.
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Yeah, where, where they've. Been sort of sedate stories for
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most of their right. Yeah, no.
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That's, that's a good point, yeah, yeah.
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Here you have Daleks with bombs blowing up and big fights
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outside of spaceships. There you have an enormous squid
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trying to fuck an oil rig. Oh lala Ward, you are so
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stunning. She is beautiful and I'll take
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back my elephant fight. Think she might.
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Take the compliment, you know. Oh, hang on.
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I can hear someone at your door. Oh, it's Lala Ward.
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No. No.
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Everyone's turning up at your door today.
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The police, David Gillespie, Pratt, Lala Ward.
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Anyone else? Oh, that's great.
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Where he's got the Jelly baby in his hands.
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Very clear. Somehow wearing that sort of
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disco electric wig does not diminish her beauty in any way.
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Oh, no, they're all, they're all stunning.
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But but yeah, she's, yeah, she's, she's absolutely
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beautiful. Oh.
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Is this where the fight starts now?
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Yes. So we're in the middle of this.
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Sort of sexy looking quarry. They've literally built the
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exterior of a spaceship and then they fill it with extras and
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that's beautiful, Her. Walking out of the spaceship
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into the quarry, I think that's to you.
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Yeah, that's. They do more with the sandpit
21:05
here than they would do in a dozen stories with quarries in
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the Can you hear the? Music.
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It's the Star Wars music. Yeah, yeah.
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Oh. Darling, she's doing the ballet
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of the. Oh, down she goes.
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Look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look, look,
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look, look. You can see the.
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Guy with the fly eyes there, so is they're trying to kind of
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create a kind of ragtag bunch of of slaves there, fly eyes.
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What are you talking about this? One of one of the slaves has got
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kind of big circular eyes, like a family.
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Oh my God, I want to see them again now, Yeah.
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They get they get a close up during the action scene.
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Oh my. God, bling bling.
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Look at those bombs on those, darling.
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I imagine that's what a Pandora bracelet looks like, you know?
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There'll be hundreds of mums exploding on Christmas Day.
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Yeah. Oh, A.
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Matter of that you could. Could you buy the Dalek with the
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bombs? I think you could, couldn't you?
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From BMA, yes. Yeah, yeah, you've got a quick.
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Win for them. Isn't it I don't have one that's
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an easy win for them sticking a little yellow thing on the
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front, but this is I mean what a great one is that cupboards yes
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I only owned every set last night Oh it's the.
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Bomb cupboard. It's where you keep your.
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Bombs, yeah. Paul, the whole place is
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functional grey, and that's a wooden cupboard.
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It's not even wood, it's a little bit of MDF or something
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like that. 70s kind of wood veneer I think.
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That was Neider's sort of, you know, book cupboards.
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Back in the night. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We kept his naughty literature. I mean, isn't this?
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Great. It's the it's the Trojan
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Mevellums going in, right? And here we have them taking
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over the over the ship this is. Interesting thing.
22:58
Ever speak to me? Like that, again, you keep out
23:01
of this, it's a personal matter, and you mind your own business
23:03
too. And then he takes his power back
23:07
out. Oh, where's the fly man?
23:08
I want to see him. Oh, this is.
23:10
The studio. So he's only he's only in the
23:12
film bits. Well, we go.
23:13
Outside in a minute, you know, So here we go, Big attack on the
23:18
So we've got an attack on the spaceship as well.
23:22
I said, oh, everybody's doing the ballet.
23:24
Look, it's so funny. And the Doctor?
23:27
Gets his whistle out. Oh.
23:30
Dear God. Somewhere in the TARDIS King is
23:33
going nuts because he's blowing a whistle, I think.
23:36
That was supposed to be quite a menacing shot, you know, of all
23:39
the Mavellan's advancing on him, but he didn't quite have the
23:43
gravity. I think Ken Grieve was going
23:45
for. Oh, but there's still still.
23:48
Plenty of action. That's a great sequence.
23:51
I mean, between the Dalek blasts and the power packs, yeah,
23:54
everybody has to sort of freeze in space before they fall.
23:57
They do. Yeah, yeah, the, the Power Pack,
24:00
I mean the power packs, I I put that in the kind of class of
24:03
villain weakness, like the Sontarans kind of pro big vent
24:07
and stuff. It's stuff like that.
24:08
You know, it's, it might be a bit obvious and it might seem a
24:11
bit easy just to be able to RIP something off their belt, but I
24:14
know it kind of works for me. Kids though, right?
24:18
It's a quick visual way of showing how you defeat them.
24:21
I mean, I. I love superhero comics and it
24:24
feels something out of, you know, a comic book.
24:28
So yeah. Yeah, you're right.
24:29
And it's quick. Any quick and easy way
24:31
defeating. And kids can latch onto that
24:32
Totally. Yeah.
24:33
Tom Baker. Goes I will return.
24:36
All right, Tom. Oh, no, here they come.
24:42
Look, with the bombs, so always see, Oh my God, I've never
24:47
really thought through episode 4.
24:49
The Daleks now are on the hunt for the spaceship to blow it up,
24:52
to stop them going up and destroying the planet.
24:55
Oh my God, it's so exciting. And they're doing.
24:58
Something illogical for them because like earlier in the
25:01
impasse scene before they were like, it's illogical for you to
25:05
blow, you know, try and blow yourself up.
25:07
And Davis is like, no, no, he's going to do it.
25:09
And they're kind of then going off to blow themselves up with
25:12
the bombs that because they kind of realised that Davros is
25:16
showing them away. That's kind of maybe not what
25:18
they would think of, but like scene.
25:20
To scene, right? It is building momentum.
25:23
It's building to a climax with action along the way.
25:25
It's very unusual for classic Coup.
25:30
Oh, I love this. I mean, in no way is Tom, Is
25:33
David Goodison the most frightening person in this room?
25:36
No, Tom Baker's got a big grin on his face.
25:42
Oh, look, I'm actually going to enjoy these ceilings just a
25:44
little bit longer, you know, because I don't think I'm going
25:46
to be seeing many more in these hamster commentaries.
25:49
No, I mean, you won't really. I mean, it makes all the
25:54
difference. And he's.
25:55
Ken Grieves kept up that style all the way through it.
25:58
So yeah, the direction of this is amazing.
26:01
Yeah. I'm.
26:02
Sure, Graham Williams must have been absolutely delighted.
26:06
Yeah, much like Season 16 and season 15, a lot of the best
26:12
direction is in the first half of the season, right?
26:15
Right, but like you know, season 18 gets low like and the leisure
26:19
height gets lauded for What's this jobs the great love it
26:23
Bigfoot. Yeah.
26:24
Right and and for the style of that it is stylish.
26:27
It's slow as hell, but it's stylish.
26:29
Taking 5 minutes to cross Brighton Beach.
26:31
But I don't think it's, I don't think it's more.
26:35
It's not. I think this is more
26:37
impressively directed than the less.
26:38
I've yeah, 100%. Oh this is great.
26:42
And how? What's to stop them from
26:44
reaching their target? They're not move.
26:48
You see, there's nothing you can do.
26:50
Just stop it now. I mean, that's as cliched as it
26:53
gets and normally I'd enjoy that, but I think, Oh no.
26:56
Those Daleks are clearly walking there, aren't they?
26:59
On that, they're a little bit little.
27:01
Chambers are going, aren't they? And there we go.
27:03
But look, how often do you see like, what's 6?
27:06
Daleks, how often do you? See six on the screen?
27:09
We've got a. Budget of millions and and.
27:11
Layered like that. So you've got them in the in the
27:13
background, you've got them in the foreground.
27:15
Great shot. Yeah, no, I I always remember
27:19
those shots because that's really, you have to stage that,
27:22
right, right. You 3 up there, you 2 down there
27:25
and then that one down the bottom coming past the camera.
27:28
He. He.
27:29
Fought for an extra day filming, didn't he?
27:31
So they could, they could rehearse stuff like that.
27:33
And and I think it does pay off. His location work is second to
27:38
none here. It's fantastic.
27:42
Oh, we came for the cupboard. Oh my.
27:43
God. I'd never noticed that.
27:46
I know I've watched this loads recently, but I don't think I'd
27:49
noticed it until last night. That little wooden covered with
27:51
the bombs in. So here I think maybe you need a
27:54
bit. Oh no, they're clearly walking
27:56
sharp. Maybe not so much that sort of.
27:58
Cruelly swagger those Daleks are walking with there, you know, So
28:01
when you're going to your next drug deal.
28:07
Oh boy. OK oh so now it's going to be
28:13
the altered Mevellan's plus the rebels against the Daleks.
28:18
Keep an eye out for Fly Guy. Oh, look at this.
28:21
Look at that shot of the quarry, of that muddy quarry.
28:27
I mean, the cameras all around him, yeah.
28:29
That's superb. Stuff this.
28:32
Is great, isn't it? And then Romana coming in and
28:35
she's literally. There in the reflection in his
28:38
belt, right? And they this, that's so
28:41
exciting. That shot of them is the fly.
28:43
Man, I want to see him. Oh, has he been killed?
28:46
Was that him? Just killed?
28:47
There he is. There he is.
28:50
Yes, physical. My eyes, how I thought they were
28:54
goggles. Why are we?
28:56
Not making more of this. There's like a, you know, I love
28:59
I someone who grew up on Star Wars and that idea that is in,
29:03
you know, the cantina and Star Wars with loads of different
29:06
alien designs. The fact that you could and
29:08
Doctor Who, they would throw in somebody like that.
29:10
I just think it's brilliant. This is.
29:12
Fantastic. Romana running down the ravine,
29:17
This muddy scuffle. I mean, I mean, I love seeing a
29:21
woman as well get in the action, you know?
29:24
Yeah. Eating the shit out of it,
29:26
moving his arm. Off.
29:27
It's just, that's incredible. Romana Yeah.
29:30
Jesus Christ, this arm's in the right state.
29:34
And then I like the. Fact she sits down, cross legs
29:36
right puts the bomb. Down in front of her.
29:39
Oh, thank God, but that's beautifully.
29:41
Shot and again like you're saying about arranging it like
29:43
they've had to work out how far she can go and like where she
29:46
stopped and so he's like striker still in in the foreground.
29:51
All of that looks brilliant. There are.
29:52
Problems to this, but people that say that this is tired,
29:56
it's the execution of it isn't no.
30:00
No. Oh.
30:00
There we go, the darling. The Doctor.
30:03
Pushes the darling like a Dodger now.
30:05
Doesn't he's got the hat over his eye stalk.
30:11
Shoot me. No way.
30:13
Not me. You're 4 fishing in.
30:15
Bed, fishing in bed, bye bye I can enjoy this.
30:19
Watching it with you, I can enjoy the fun of this.
30:22
Oh, come. On Paul, you don't want to be
30:24
the person that doesn't enjoy this madness, no.
30:27
No, ordinarily with ordinary, yeah, now it is.
30:31
I mean imagine being a 5 year old watching this and then look
30:35
it just all of his slats go. He pops his lips.
30:41
Oh. My.
30:42
Hats. My God.
30:44
Yeah, Tom's. Stalking.
30:46
Yeah, look. Tom is terrifying and keep away
30:49
from me Doctor please don't hurt me.
30:53
I watch this explosion that just.
30:57
Leaving the frame behind. Oh.
31:01
My God. Oh, I can't remember the last
31:06
time I blew up quite that dramatically.
31:09
I mean, you saw bits of those Daleks flying, right?
31:14
He. Captures it, yeah.
31:15
Coming down That's that's really cool.
31:17
Oh, Paul, that was. Delirious, all of that.
31:19
I'm sorry. But what a what a thrilling
31:22
climax, you know? What more do you want when
31:24
you're a kid? Just just just excitement
31:26
personified. Well, I quite like a thrilling.
31:28
Climax as an adult as well sounds.
31:31
To be a fine thing, I mean. I mean, come on, Did you see the
31:34
climax of war between the land and the sea?
31:36
This is much more exciting than that.
31:38
Yeah. Yeah, Oh, oh God, yeah.
31:40
I've watched it this morning. I didn't see it last night, but
31:42
I watched it this morning and I really hate one of the one.
31:47
The thing I hear about the modern world is when they do
31:53
like a really slow cover version of a famous song.
31:56
So that's what we ended that on, didn't we?
31:58
We go like, fuck, awful version of the heroes.
32:01
And it's just like, oh God, really?
32:04
I mean, I was. Out basically when he started
32:07
having it off with that fishwoman and started going over
32:10
you taste like salt, I was like I.
32:13
Didn't. I don't think I bought that
32:14
relationship at all. I think I get it.
32:17
Russell's. Hovey having it off of a
32:19
fishwoman. I mean how are we ever supposed
32:21
to buy that? Come on now, I'd much rather
32:24
watch Daleks pack full of petrol blowing up in a grind.
32:28
Yeah, yeah, whilst fly eyed extras I'll be massacred around
32:35
the spaceship. I mean come on.
32:38
I mean when you was a nipper, no wonder you was obsessed.
32:42
This. Exactly.
32:43
I mean, what a great story. It's your first Dalek story.
32:46
I'm just just really exciting the.
32:49
Spaceship right that buried itself alive is now coming out
32:53
of ground. We get that model.
32:55
Shot again. Oh.
32:56
Boy, oh boy. I mean, I had fun with you doing
32:58
carnival and monsters, man, but I don't think I laughed more
33:00
than I did during that time. Being blinded to your left ball
33:06
to your right. Be your fool.
33:09
This way. Oh gosh.
33:13
There's only one way we can end this later, you know?
33:16
Bye. Bye.
33:21
And a lot of times, obviously he's got to the point where he
33:23
has been somber this whole story, but now he's just
33:25
flinging rocks around like he's he's, I mean.
33:28
They do look like rocks. I mean they don't.
33:30
They bounce like polystyrene. I don't think they look.
33:35
Like the quarry? Yeah, as a kid I was 100%
33:39
fooled. I think it looks looks
33:41
brilliant. Oh, we forgot.
33:43
Another Terra Nation cliche being trapped away from the
33:45
TARDIS? Or did we mention that in
33:47
episode 1? I think I might.
33:48
Maybe, I can't remember, but no, you're right, it is a nation
33:52
trope, isn't it? They've been blocked off from
33:54
the TARDIS, yeah. Oh, look at this Tom Lala,
33:58
radiant into the TARDIS. Off for more jolly adventures,
34:02
right? And where are we going next?
34:04
City of Death. What a great way to start the
34:07
season. My God.
34:08
Amazing. Oh, shall.
34:10
We take the lift or fly. Let's not be authentic.
34:15
So as I mentioned, the destiny repeats in the summer babies
34:18
city of death was repeated that summer of 1980 as well.
34:22
And and so the two of them back-to-back a year after I'd
34:26
seen it the first time. And I think it was the, I think
34:28
it was the first time I remember as a kid going, Oh, I remember
34:31
this one is where he rips his face off and he's all green and
34:33
squiggly underneath. And it's that.
34:35
Oh, yeah, yeah. I really, this is brilliant.
34:36
I remember enjoying it before. So yeah, we're the first kind of
34:41
experiences or a member of seeing something again and
34:44
remember like being old enough to, to just being of that age
34:48
where you could remember stuff. You know, when you're really
34:49
young, you kind of don't remember anything at all but
34:53
your first? First, sort of potent images of
34:56
doctors. It's a common problem, you know,
34:58
Paul, you, you think men are suave, debonair millionaires,
35:02
and it turns out they're green and squiggly underneath.
35:05
I mean. Exactly.
35:06
Yeah. I can't tell you the number of
35:08
times I've been fooled by Do You know?
35:11
I think there is an argument, though, you know, that we've
35:15
just proved it. We're Destiny of the Daleks,
35:17
because I think we both came into this assuming we were going
35:21
to be a bit more critical than we ended up being.
35:24
There's an argument that suggests that watching Doctor
35:29
Who with a friend can be more enjoyable sometimes than
35:34
watching it on your own. Yeah. 100% think that is, that's
35:38
what it is. You know, we're not.
35:41
I've been thinking back over my kind of journey as as a kid and
35:45
I think I was at this age from from this point onwards, from 79
35:49
onwards, I was really super into it until until the 10th
35:54
anniversary till 1983. I'm like really, that was
35:57
probably the peak. But then almost immediately I
36:00
start to drop off a little bit like from from season 21
36:03
onwards. And I think it's because I've
36:05
been given a small black and white telly.
36:08
And so that TV was in my room and so suddenly I had control
36:10
over what I could watch and when I was watching and I wasn't
36:13
watching with the family anymore.
36:15
And I think that did start to start getting.
36:18
Critical. Then no, not.
36:20
Critical, but just just kind of like, I don't know, we just put
36:22
like a little wedge between me and who for a little while.
36:27
So yeah, watching stuff by yourself, you're right.
36:31
I mean, that's how most of us consumed.
36:32
Like most fans would would watch who.
36:35
We talked earlier about how much more my wife does or does not
36:39
kind of partake in who. So you do end up watching it by
36:44
yourself quite a bit. But it's definitely have a lot
36:46
more enjoyable with other people, I think, I think.
36:49
When you're on your own, the embarrassing bits, you're just
36:53
like watching through your fingers going, oh God, no, I'll
36:55
walk into the room. Now when you're watching with
36:58
somebody who's sympathetic to Doctor Who, you can just roar
37:04
with laughter at those stupid moments and just have fun with
37:08
it. Yeah, man, I'm glad we're not
37:12
tedious teenagers anymore. 100 percent, 100% Well, look now.
37:18
We've got a great task ahead of us now to choose our free
37:21
fabulous Things to Recommend Destiny Daleks.
37:24
I mean, we've got about 500 out of this commentary, but would
37:28
you care to go first? Well, I, I, I will, because I'm
37:32
going to get in there. Probably the most obvious choice
37:34
and the thing we talked about a hell of a lot, and that is Ken
37:36
Grief. Ken Grief, yes.
37:38
Buddy Yeah, the direction is brilliant.
37:43
I don't think he's talked about enough.
37:45
I don't think he's talked about in, you know, those kind of
37:49
circles of those the great Who directors, you know, you, the
37:52
Harpers and the Cam fields. He's not often put in that
37:56
bracket, and maybe because he's only done the one and he isn't
38:01
always necessarily a highly thought of story, but it is
38:06
stylish as hell. I really want to compliment for
38:10
my first thing, the structure of the script.
38:14
I think on this particular watch, while we've been talking
38:17
it through, I've realized that just how well done it is.
38:22
The first episode, the scene setter, The second episode, the
38:26
mystery. What are the Daleks searching
38:28
for? The third episode, all the drama
38:31
of the standoff between the Doctor and the Daleks, and then
38:34
the last episode, where all the concept is explored, all leading
38:38
up to a massive action set piece at the end of the story.
38:42
It's Douglas Adams's first as script editor, and I think he's
38:46
got a good idea of how to tell a Rick roaring Doctor Who story.
38:52
Yeah, and. And.
38:53
Fitted around the standard nation script as well, I think
38:57
it's a. Better fusion than people say.
38:59
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think the fact that I'd
39:02
never really kind of tweaked that, it is a lot of the
39:05
standard nation tropes I'd put down to what you're saying.
39:10
And yeah, the structure that that, you know, has been put in
39:15
place, I think I think it does work really well to tell that
39:19
familiar Dalek story, but tell it in a very different way.
39:23
Awesome #2 I am going to go for the design and I've went for the
39:34
design previously on Carnival. It is something that I enjoy
39:38
about TV anyway, not just Doctor Who, but TV generally is
39:42
something I look at. We talked about the a bit about
39:45
the sort of props and the origin of the props and stuff.
39:48
But I genuinely think that the corridors of Scarrow works so
39:54
much better than 90% of corridors and Doctor Who
39:57
because, because they're filled with so much stuff and so and so
40:02
higgledy piggledy is very hard to get the sense of that, that
40:05
geography sense of where this goes to.
40:08
And this is, I think I said at the time, it feels like they are
40:12
making progress through the Dalek city.
40:15
And I think I saw yeah, I and for a show which an episode
40:19
which is not lauded for that stuff because it's looked at as
40:23
being cheap and tatty and Daleks looking tatty, I think works
40:26
really well. It's.
40:27
Hard to get a sense of movement, like when you're using the same
40:33
sets and you're trying to suggest you're going up or down.
40:36
It is hard to get that without making it feel like, oh, OK,
40:39
we're just going up and down the same corridor.
40:42
Yeah, right. It is.
40:43
It is well, well put across here.
40:46
I want to compliment the use is well, both the use of special
40:49
sound and Dudley Simpson's being magnanimous enough to step back
40:56
and not paper over a lot of the atmosphere with music.
41:00
Because I think whilst I think his latter day scores are
41:02
perfectly fine, there is a tangible atmosphere to that
41:07
first episode not having any music in it and all the talk of
41:11
the zombies. And that's that they've got like
41:14
that wind effect that they do on alien planets that they're using
41:17
there and all the sound of masonry falling, stuff like
41:22
that. When you go down into the into
41:24
the dark, you've got the heartbeat.
41:25
But then when you go down into the corridors, underneath,
41:28
there's that weird noise, that weird alien sound that's sort of
41:31
echoing off all the corridors. There's a real sense of
41:35
environment created with the special sounds.
41:38
I always think it's something that people don't talk about
41:40
enough in Doctor Who, but it's particularly vivid in this
41:44
story, I think. Yeah, I think.
41:46
You're 100% right. It's especially effective
41:48
because of the lack of music. And, you know, it creates so
41:52
much of that atmosphere all the way through the story.
41:54
But especially, I think Part 1. Yeah, brilliant.
41:58
And Dudley gets CE of deaf, doesn't he?
42:00
Anyway, so like he's he's kind of plenty of music for the
42:03
following week. So he's all good.
42:06
Yeah, 100% number three for me. I'm going to give it to Tom
42:11
because, you know, this is my introduction to Doctor Who.
42:15
In many ways. He was the first doctor I saw as
42:18
a kid. I would.
42:20
I think that I don't really think of him as my doctor.
42:22
I tend to think of Davidson being a little bit later as as
42:25
my one, but but he's great here and he is so measured.
42:30
Like what we said, you know, like obviously season 17 all the
42:35
way through the Williams era, you get that idea of him being
42:38
just kind of out of control, just being kind of a loose
42:40
cannon and just kind of being overly wacky.
42:43
Definitely have a look at that trailer for a bit of a kind of
42:47
Williams era Tom wackiness, which I think is fantastic.
42:51
But he's he's under playing it here all the way through and
42:54
like the humor is still there in the big beginning.
42:57
You've got like lines like you've got the making sort of
42:59
first class Navy and stuff like that.
43:02
But then like as you as you said, like you, I hadn't tweaked
43:05
just how demented he was in that final scene, like in in part 4
43:10
where he's confronting Davros. You're right.
43:12
He's like really mad demonic. Grin on his face.
43:22
Yeah, he's very good in this story.
43:24
Well. OK, like I want to say episode
43:29
4, I think I just think episode 4 is great and but in particular
43:35
I really want to point out the rock, paper, scissors just that
43:39
way. The I like I'm saying it's
43:43
Douglas and not Terry. It maybe it's Terry, whoever it
43:46
is, the idea of getting across a very complex idea to children is
43:55
such a simple, such a playful way.
43:58
It's just genius. It's the sort of thing I think
44:00
the new series forgets quite a bit.
44:04
And just for that messy, muddy action sequence where Romana
44:10
kicks off that Mavellan's arm, I just love episode 4.
44:14
I think it's great. And then that whole bit with the
44:16
Dalek exploding with the hat on his eyes stalk.
44:20
I mean, it's just mad Episode 4, but just great fun.
44:25
Yeah. Really underrated.
44:27
I think this. Yeah.
44:29
Of course you can point and laugh at it and say it's slow
44:32
paced and the Daleks look tatty and all of that, but there's
44:36
some riches there, I think. Yeah, yeah, 100% yeah.
44:41
And I do think actually there are, like I said before, how
44:44
many people that speak to me on on Instagram talk about it.
44:49
I do think actually there is a lot of love for destiny out
44:52
there. And I do think hopefully you'll
44:55
see that reflected in in your podcast figures, Joe, as people
44:58
will take to like they did for Carnival so many.
45:01
People have told me this is this was their in destiny.
45:05
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, that's been my
45:07
experience as well that that whenever I post about, you know,
45:12
a picture from Destiny, it will get a lot of comments because,
45:15
yeah, it was people's first. Can you hear that?
45:19
Is that my stomach rumbling? I can't hear.
45:23
I think it's coming from outside.
45:24
It sounds rather like a a Tyrannosaurus Rex, but I'm not
45:29
sure. Oh.
45:31
Oh no. Oh, I'll tell you what, you
45:33
remember us talking earlier on about us going off in a
45:36
spaceship with your wife, possibly to the second Golden
45:40
age. I fear there may be an invasion
45:42
of dinosaurs occurring in London.
45:45
Yeah, indeed. Well I've got my map here
45:48
marking where I've I've seen the Dinos and they've got pink for
45:51
your actual tyranny. Yes, I believe that is the case.
45:57
Yes. Well, how about it?
45:59
Do you fancy heading to Operation Golden Age with John
46:03
Patui, Elizabeth Slayden, Nicholas Courtney, John Levine?
46:07
I mean the riches, we could find it there.
46:09
Exactly. Let's hop in the home mobile and
46:11
do it right now. The home.
46:13
Mobile. Fucking hell, I forgot about
46:14
that. Oh boy.
46:16
Well, look. OK.
46:17
Are you down for this now? You've done A1 parter?
46:20
Yeah, 24 parters. This will be your first six
46:23
parter. Yes, hopefully I will find.
46:27
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. Like we seem to go off in a lot
46:30
of tangents, Joe, and talk a lot of shite.
46:32
So if you keep throwing, if you keep throwing it at me, I will
46:39
try. I'm going to take improv classes
46:42
over Christmas and yeah, absolutely we can do that.
46:45
Oh, sure, I'll. Arrange that as a present for
46:47
you. Improvisation classes throwing
46:49
shit at you? What are you talking about?
46:51
Well. I mean, you know, verbally,
46:52
verbally, Joe. Yes, well, so I'll find a first
46:58
six parter invasion of the dinosaurs part.
47:00
Before we go, of course, please can we just give one last little
47:04
plug to the socials? Indeed, yeah.
47:08
So if you do want to take a look, so Instagram, that's where
47:12
it started for me, is Doctor Who, sixties, 70s and 80s.
47:16
I think I said before it's a terrible name, but I've had it's
47:20
the one I remember. All the time.
47:22
I actually use easy on Instagram.
47:24
I remember the Sixties, 70s and 80s every time.
47:28
Yeah, I don't know, I just didn't think of anything more
47:30
exciting. So I think when I started
47:33
Instagram, the the reason I started here, I've talked about
47:36
this before. I can't remember if I'm
47:38
repeating myself, apologies, but I started because but there
47:43
didn't seem to be any kind of classic hue on Instagram.
47:44
It was all kind of younger kids posting, you know, David Tennant
47:48
memes and stuff. So and I felt there was so much
47:51
good for top photography to do with Doctor, all the classic
47:55
images, but also lots of kind of weird images as well.
47:58
And things like that trailer, the the season 17 trailer.
48:02
I've posted that two or three times because it's such a
48:05
brilliant little bit of video. So I started for for those
48:09
reasons and I couldn't think of a better name so it just kind of
48:12
suck. Heavenly.
48:14
That account, although I warn you people, if you are going to
48:17
go exploring, I mean you might get stuck in going through all
48:22
of these bloody posts. Yeah, I don't post as much as I
48:26
used to, but I'll keep it down. But yeah, I still try and post
48:29
every week. And then spinning out of that
48:32
is, is the blog which has to do with props, which is Doctor Who
48:36
Prop Hunt, which you can find on yeah, just kind of Google it.
48:42
So yeah. So that's kind of like a weekly
48:44
blog about the the props of Doctor Who and where you might
48:47
find them, like the stuff like the stuff from UFO in Destiny
48:51
if. You are a true geek of Doctor
48:54
Who and let's be honest, you're listening to this.
48:56
You are the minutiae and detail of the props of Doctor Who.
49:03
I mean, that bloody sofa, man. What's going about the sofa?
49:08
No, I mean, it isn't just a sofa though, is it?
49:11
It's fabulous. It's all the computer banks.
49:13
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
49:16
So there's I mean, you Destiny use quite a lot a lot of the
49:19
clothes we talked about. So yeah, there's, I mean, I look
49:22
a lot of computer panels those. Triangular walls, yeah.
49:27
Yeah, the hexagon walls from the Muslims.
49:28
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, So yeah, that's that's
49:31
kind of taken up much of the last year I've kind of been
49:33
doing there. And the other thing for me last
49:37
time for the carnival, you might have seen that the drawing I did
49:39
for Joe. So I've got a little art account
49:42
on Instagram, which is Paul's Doodles, where it's mostly
49:46
mostly Doctor Who related scribbles from me.
49:50
And so that's kind of where I'm at.
49:51
Oh, OK, it's. Delicious as well.
49:53
I mean, I was going to try and twist your arm, you know, to do
49:56
an artwork for this one or something.
49:57
Like you and me with our legs coming out of two Daleks on a
50:01
sand dune or something with a load of bombs strapped around or
50:04
something like that. Well, anyway, I mean, you don't
50:08
have to do that, but it's just an idea, OK, No.
50:12
And now people don't pretend you're above this sort of thing.
50:14
All right? Doctor Who props.
50:15
We know you love this stuff. All right?
50:17
Check it out. Yeah.
50:19
Well, every time I post something on the blog, people
50:22
will chime in because that's what's been really helpful is
50:24
the fact that there's so many people are like, Oh yeah, I've
50:27
seen that. And in this or I've seen.
50:28
And because there's plenty of shows that I'm not super
50:31
familiar with, familiar with, like I'm not the world's biggest
50:34
Blake 7 fan. And there's a lot of crossover,
50:37
particularly for a story like Destiny, there's a lot of
50:39
chronic crossover from that period.
50:42
And so and anybody you can help me out with Blake 7 stuff, I'm
50:45
always, always really happy because yeah, that's every.
50:48
Other person listen to this right well.
50:50
I kind of, yeah, yeah. I don't know what it is, but it
50:53
doesn't appeal to me. I find it quite hard to see it
50:55
through. So.
50:57
So yeah, yeah. Well, like.
50:58
It's very slow. You think Destiny of Daleks is
51:01
slow? Jesus Christ.
51:03
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I get like about 4
51:05
episodes into the first series and then I'm kind of with the.
51:08
Ugliest power stations and quarries you've ever seen.
51:13
Paul, thank you very much for your continued association with
51:18
this. It's just heaven every time I
51:20
talk to you, you know? Thank you.
51:22
Thank you for having me back again.
51:24
I'm glad we were able to do it. So yeah, honestly, Joe, more
51:28
than Abby to to come on and and do whatever you want me to do.
51:32
So yeah, absolutely. So to.
51:34
Speak until we wrestle with rubber dinosaurs.
51:38
Oh, it's the last one before Christmas.
51:40
And incidentally, a Merry Christmas to all of you at home.
51:47
Oh, we've got it there.