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The Where Ocean Gets Her First Boo-boo · Untraditionally Lala

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  Speaker 1: Hey, babe, is fla la kenks with rand We are back.
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  Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday, Happy Wednesday Wednesday, And to those of you
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  Speaker 1: who drank happy motherfucking hump Day, I hope you got
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  Speaker 1: lit for me. There you go, because it's been one
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  Speaker 1: hell of a week so far. Randall knows why.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it has been a week. You're not going to
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  Speaker 2: bring this up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean Monday we shot the main titles for vander
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  Speaker 1: Pump Roules correction you and well hold up? Not really.
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  Speaker 1: So Randall had asked me if it was a cool
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  Speaker 1: idea if he did main titles. Now keep in mind,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't like correct, and then you came to me
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  Speaker 1: and said, like, what do you think? Right, it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: I originally thought it was like they were going to
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  Speaker 1: give Randall a title card, you know, where he'd be
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  Speaker 1: like spilling drinks in the.
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  Speaker 3: Opening credits, which we said, no, that.
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  Speaker 1: Cannot happen. But come to find out, it was like
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  Speaker 1: just the main shot, like the group shot where it's
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  Speaker 1: like vander Pump rules.
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  Speaker 2: Here twenty people.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so you did it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, let's let's go through the process. I
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  Speaker 2: was having a meltdown because I was like, this is
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  Speaker 2: a lot, and then you, you know, you and everybody
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  Speaker 2: else who we talked to thought, oh my god, it'd
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  Speaker 2: be fun to be next to you. Blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: So I got the courage up to accept the kind invitation. Correct,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know what it really meant because I've never
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  Speaker 2: been in part of anything like that. And so I
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  Speaker 2: went to the Sir restaurant with you. Correct walked in
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  Speaker 2: and everything was like tented, so it didn't look like
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  Speaker 2: sir like when you go there and have cocktails or.
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  Speaker 1: No, it was like a set.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a set totally. There were there were
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  Speaker 2: TV cameras, there were still cameras, there was makeup and
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  Speaker 2: hair was it was a big production. I didn't know
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  Speaker 2: what I was walking. I think if I knew that,
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  Speaker 2: I probably Oh, you.
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  Speaker 1: Thought we were just some like mom and pop show.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that you didn't expect there to be like
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  Speaker 1: real cameras.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think there'd be like a crew of thirty
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  Speaker 2: five p I mean, it was big. And I walked
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  Speaker 2: in and I was like, if I knew it was lad,
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  Speaker 2: I probably would have just stayed home. But I thought
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  Speaker 2: I'd just come in and be like a still camera.
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  Speaker 2: We just knock out a shot and go home. So
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  Speaker 2: right away I walk into uh, well you walk into
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  Speaker 2: hair and makeup, and then the guy. The guy was
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  Speaker 2: very nice. I don't know his name. He was like,
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  Speaker 2: he's like, just sit here, Ran, and I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: thank you for giving me a seat. But I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know that meant I'm going to get hair and makeup,
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  Speaker 2: because that's what he meant. So then he's just start
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  Speaker 2: caking stuff on my face and I'm like shell shocked.
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  Speaker 2: And then we sit there together and anyway, the next
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  Speaker 2: thing I know is then we're lining up for a
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  Speaker 2: photo and I'm all, I'm saying to myself, I didn't
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  Speaker 2: tell you this, but all I'm saying to myself is
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  Speaker 2: this is like a burnt's foot photo. That's what I
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  Speaker 2: tried to think about. This my burn MIT's put photo.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, this is my burnet's photo. These
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  Speaker 2: are my family and friends watching, and the director is
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  Speaker 2: like moving everybody around, and I'm just like, this is brutal,
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  Speaker 2: but it was. It was really neat to see your world,
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  Speaker 2: like how big it is. I mean, it's much bigger
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  Speaker 2: than I think people realize.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I think it's much bigger than you realize, because
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  Speaker 1: if you remember, it wasn't too long ago. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: we have my fiance's best friend of one hundred million years,
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  Speaker 1: Mike Burns. Here, Hi, Mikey. He's just patiently waiting.
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  Speaker 2: We have we didn't sell people, but we have Mike Burns,
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  Speaker 2: the director of your.
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  Speaker 1: Movie Out of Death. Yes, and but he's looking like
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  Speaker 1: he wants to chime in about how his friend looking
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  Speaker 1: at me shaking his head. Okay, back to it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: long ago that Randall I would be like doing the
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  Speaker 1: show and Randall would blow me up, like what are
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  Speaker 1: you doing? It's like, I know you think that the
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  Speaker 1: first year, I had no clue, you had no idea.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he so yesterday and throughout the season he's
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  Speaker 1: seen like, oh, these people like they're like living their
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  Speaker 1: real lives and she actually busy doing that. And yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: how long did that did that main picture take?
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  Speaker 2: All?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 2: We arrived at four forty five and we didn't leave
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  Speaker 2: till nine o'clock. That's like that was intense. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, yeah, for the last three or four years,
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  Speaker 2: I know now the deal, but the first year, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, you're going to film, and I thought
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  Speaker 2: that'd be like an hour and you'd come back like
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  Speaker 2: eleven hours later. It's like it's your real life. They
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  Speaker 2: follow you everywhere you go, they do all these things.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty it's pretty intense. I give everybody on this show,
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  Speaker 2: in all reality shows, after seeing a little taste of it,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of my hats off to you because it's
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  Speaker 2: long days and you know, you guys are really good
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  Speaker 2: at what you do.
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  Speaker 1: I just I mean, we must have been standing there
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  Speaker 1: for three hours straight just trying to get everybody's facial
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  Speaker 1: expression perfect, their movement, they're set up. I probably got
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  Speaker 1: on and off the same chair fourteen times yea to
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  Speaker 1: lift it with boxes before they were like, can you
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  Speaker 1: everyone's now perfect, Wila, can you somehow try to get
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  Speaker 1: off the chair again and just stand I'm like, my god,
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  Speaker 1: it's a grueling day.
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  Speaker 2: It's long and by the way, and then.
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  Speaker 1: You just thought you were going to roll in there,
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  Speaker 1: get the shot and dip.
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  Speaker 2: No, they told me this would be a quick thing.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 2: And then after we did this one big group photo,
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  Speaker 2: I got to leave and you then had to go
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  Speaker 2: do your like slow motion little solo thing, and that
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  Speaker 2: you didn't even get home till.
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  Speaker 1: My calltime was four forty five and you get home
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  Speaker 1: till one one in the morning.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's enough for one shot. I mean, I gotta say,
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  Speaker 2: it is an art. The show is awesome. It's really
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  Speaker 2: cool to work.
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  Speaker 1: All the people that are creating the main titles are geniuses,
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  Speaker 1: and like they look at every little detail, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, And then we had to keep our eyes open.
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  Speaker 2: They kept saying, we had to close our eyes and open.
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  Speaker 1: Up and have the fule thing directly in your face,
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  Speaker 1: and they're like, keep the eyes open, keep the eyes open.
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  Speaker 1: They're just like burning your eyeboso, Crisp.
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  Speaker 2: I am petrified to see this because I am by
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  Speaker 2: no means like you guys as models, and you know.
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  Speaker 1: We're all basically like retired mactors model actors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm the middle aged person looks like your
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  Speaker 2: grandfather in this picture, So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe my dad and not my grandfather. Definitely you could be.
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  Speaker 3: My dad though, Okay, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, it was really neat to be part of it.
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  Speaker 2: I really never thought if they asked me, did you
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  Speaker 2: ever think you would be here? And I said absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: But Lala is very persuasive and very opinionated, and so
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  Speaker 2: therefore somehow I ended up there. So it was neat
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  Speaker 2: to see you guys do what you do. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: always taking my hat off a show that's been on.
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  Speaker 2: I say this. I say it to Lisa, I say
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  Speaker 2: it to all the casts. You guys have been on
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  Speaker 2: the air for nine years. That is a huge accomplishment
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  Speaker 2: in television, whether it's scripted or unscripted. It's a hit show.
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  Speaker 2: My hat's off to everybody, and congratulations on another season
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  Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see you and hopefully not
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  Speaker 2: a lot of me, but there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. There was a time that Randall
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  Speaker 1: was like, I will not do the show unless it
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  Speaker 1: equals out to be you know, like X amount of
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  Speaker 1: dollars and.
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  Speaker 3: Now here he is no hold on time backwards.
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  Speaker 2: You know that I said that because you know and
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  Speaker 2: I know that we had that conversation we got together
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  Speaker 2: that I was never going to appear on the show, right,
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  Speaker 2: and then you about three years in, were like, babe,
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  Speaker 2: will you just show up a few times just just
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  Speaker 2: because I have to show my real life and you're
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  Speaker 2: part of.
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  Speaker 1: It, right, well, I can only be a girl in
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  Speaker 1: her late twenties taking her top off for so long
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  Speaker 1: before it's like we need to show, like what my
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  Speaker 1: life is really like, like I have someone at home.
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  Speaker 3: It's like right, and so do.
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  Speaker 1: You do me as solid?
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  Speaker 2: And you were really smart because you said to me,
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  Speaker 2: let's just go with Jackson Britain and the dinner. We'll
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  Speaker 2: just go to the wedding. You get in a lease
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  Speaker 2: of Vanner pompas smart. She's like Dolly. So my point
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  Speaker 2: is is that somehow you guys got my head, told
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  Speaker 2: me it'd be three or four times I have.
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  Speaker 1: To appear, and you were great though, rand you added
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  Speaker 1: like such a life hearted aspect to the show. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna say that I never thought, you know, you guys
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  Speaker 2: made it fun for me. And the few times that
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  Speaker 2: I do, you know, you know, come on with you,
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  Speaker 2: it's always kind of been a fun setting. So that
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  Speaker 2: made it easy for me. Yeah. But anyway, I'm excited
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  Speaker 2: and congratulations on another season. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: In sadder news still Bravo related, obviously, because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know anything else besides Bravo.
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  Speaker 3: Literally, oh this is sad news for you.
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  Speaker 1: Bravo. kN has officially been canceled for twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty one, which is crazy, I.
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  Speaker 1: Know, and can I tell you sucks. It does suck.
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  Speaker 1: But I was talking to Sheena and we were both
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  Speaker 1: freaking out about number one leaving our babies behind for
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  Speaker 1: four days and two we both are still breastfeeding and
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: to have to pump regularly and also not feel you know,
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  Speaker 1: never in my life have I ever thought that the
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  Speaker 1: saying don't cry over spilled milk it could not be
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  Speaker 1: less true. Well, I also think don't cry over I'm
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: gonna cry over spilled milk. So if I'm pumping in
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: New York for Bravo Con, I need to save that shit.
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: So that was a whole thing between Shinna and I
• 9:18
  Speaker 1: like how are we going to save this? How are
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: we going to package it and get it back home?
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  Speaker 1: And then I was thinking about it like thank you
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  Speaker 1: Bravo for keeping us all safe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, And that's what I want to
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: say is that obviously Bravo Con is such a big
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: fan friendly event. I mean, I went the first year
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: to support you and everybody wants to mingle and talk,
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  Speaker 2: and clearly we can't have that right now with COVID
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  Speaker 2: and the Delta Varian. Yeah, so you know, my hat's
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  Speaker 2: off again to NBC Universal and Bravo because it wouldn't
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: have been safe. And I think this was the right call.
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: And so at the end of the day, there will
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  Speaker 2: be Bravo con again, right, and we just have to
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  Speaker 2: wait till next year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was definitely happy that their focus was to
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: keep us safe. And you know, we went to World
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: Dog Day this weekend and I even though it was outside,
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  Speaker 1: like you get a little nervous. I have a baby
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  Speaker 1: at home. Other people have babies at home, like we
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  Speaker 1: all have families, And there were people that would come
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  Speaker 1: up and ask if they could hug me, and I
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  Speaker 1: was straight up and I'm usually never like this.
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  Speaker 2: You're a hugger.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a hugger, and I'm usually even if I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to, like, I'll still do it. And World Dog
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  Speaker 1: Day was the first day, yeah, first time ever that
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  Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm sorry, but right.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Now it's a scary time again. And it's been a
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: scary time. And we thought for a minute, you know,
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: like with the vaccine that you know, things were really
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: hit turned and now here we are again, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a really scary time again. So we just all
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: have to do we have to do to stay safe,
• 10:46
  Speaker 2: keep everybody safe, and I'm just praying for the best
• 10:49
  Speaker 2: for everybody because you know, it's a it's a really
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: odd couple of years that we're all living in. So
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  Speaker 2: so anyway, I'm excited because today we're gonna cut them.
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  Speaker 2: But I just want to say our next guest is
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  Speaker 2: Mike Burns. Michael Burns, who I grew up with in Miami,
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  Speaker 2: will talk about how he and I found our love
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  Speaker 2: for film together and the and the irony. We have
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  Speaker 2: a story to tell, and we'll tell it when he
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  Speaker 2: comes on, about the irony of fate. And I do
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  Speaker 2: believe in fate, and I do believe that fate has
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  Speaker 2: a big role in our lives. At least that's what
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  Speaker 2: I believe, and he does too, And we'll talk about
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  Speaker 2: fate and how we started in movies together and what
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  Speaker 2: happened this year for both of us and the odds
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  Speaker 2: of that. But on top of that, he directed you
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  Speaker 2: in your last movie, Out of Death. That was his
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  Speaker 2: first thing.
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  Speaker 1: Thank god it was him, because I was hormonally like
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  Speaker 1: it was I wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: There, But are are you? Gonna let him be open to.
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  Speaker 3: Tell us about Ye yes, I will totally.
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  Speaker 2: This is gonna be going. All right, let's cut the break.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come right back with Mike Burns and.
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  Speaker 1: We are back. Okay, before we bring mikey on, no,
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  Speaker 1: I just have to share what happened a couple of
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  Speaker 1: days ago that like shook me to my court. I
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  Speaker 1: had always wondered what it would be like the first
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  Speaker 1: time you see your child bleeding and you don't know
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  Speaker 1: where it's coming from, because I've I've seen this on TV,
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  Speaker 1: like Real Housewives of o see this woman that did
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  Speaker 1: one season like her kid's hand was bleeding and she
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  Speaker 1: didn't She was like, where is it coming from? Like
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  Speaker 1: the bloods everywhere whatever, freaking out and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't imagine. So I take Ocean
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  Speaker 1: to Jackson Britney's house and she's standing I even posted
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  Speaker 1: it on Graham. She's standing on like her little plaything.
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  Speaker 1: It stands you up, but she can't reach the bottom
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  Speaker 1: so that she can move around. So we added books
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  Speaker 1: underneath for her to be able to touch. So whatever
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  Speaker 1: I go over, I pick her up, I'm holding her,
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  Speaker 1: I'm holding her feet and my hand is wet and
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  Speaker 1: there's blood all over my hand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not good.
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  Speaker 1: And I just started freaking out. I was like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, my baby's bleeding. I like rush her to
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  Speaker 1: the sink. I'm putting her feet under the water. And
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  Speaker 1: then I see that she has all of these tiny
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  Speaker 1: little paper cuts all over her feet from the book,
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  Speaker 1: from the books, and I just started sobbing. She didn't
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  Speaker 1: make a peep. She did not make one peep about it,
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  Speaker 1: which made me feel even worse. So that I officially
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  Speaker 1: experienced my first time with ocean having a boo boo
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  Speaker 1: that was bleeding.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's scary. That's scary that that that moment is
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  Speaker 2: definitely a moment you'll remember forever because it's like, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, speaking of I need to write it in her book.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot. Oh wait, I didn't forget. I did write
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  Speaker 1: it in the book.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I did. Well. I mean, I'm glad it was
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not being the day was great. The
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: day ended up being great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a heavy subject heavy moment there, but.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, I feel like moms
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  Speaker 1: that listen to the podcast can relate though.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, it's mostly moms and and women are demographics,
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  Speaker 2: so I think they will enjoy that story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll understand. All right, onto lighter topics.
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  Speaker 3: Let's pivot, let's pist.
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  Speaker 2: So let's bring it out. Mike Burns, Mike, Mike, welcome,
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Hey guys, Hey, that was my story. Was a hard
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  Speaker 5: act to follow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So so Mike, so let's talk about a couple
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  Speaker 2: of things. So you and I we grew up together.
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  Speaker 2: Tell people kind of our story from your perspective, like
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  Speaker 2: where we grew up in you know, a cliff note
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  Speaker 2: version of just us, and how we fell in love
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  Speaker 2: with movies together and went to college together and things
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, it started when you crashed my fourth grade birthday party.
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  Speaker 2: Because I wasn't invited.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you crashed it.
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  Speaker 2: He had a jumping house.
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  Speaker 5: So here's the sixth grader jumping in a jumping house
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  Speaker 5: with a bunch of fourth graders.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds about right, right, A lot of sounds about right.
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  Speaker 5: Now changed pretty much the same, and I just sound
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  Speaker 5: and then then and then he held that against me
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  Speaker 5: till he was thirteen, when he has bar Mitzva. He
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  Speaker 5: didn't purposely didn't invite me because he was still so
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  Speaker 5: angry about that. So I didn't get to go to.
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  Speaker 2: The bar Mitzi.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think and I almost a little angry about
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  Speaker 5: them myself. A grudge holder, you are, I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that we just weren't that close friends.
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  Speaker 2: We weren't close.
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  Speaker 5: I just happened to have a bouncy castle and that
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  Speaker 5: was all he wanted in. Yeah, he wanted in, that
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  Speaker 5: is it.
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And the truth is I did not intentionally not
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: invited my burns, but my parents controlled the list because
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: I was twelve years old turning thirteen. Let's leave it
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: at that. So Leslie and ethan Y blocked my childhood friend.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: So then when we were that we wasn't until we
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: were fifty, no till I No, that was thirteen, and
• 15:18
  Speaker 5: you were.
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: Fififteen, sixteen, So when I was in high school when
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: we started making films together.
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: So let's say we pretty much met in junior high
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: pretty I mean, I'm there, but like we started to
• 15:27
  Speaker 5: hang because his sister would they would go to school
• 15:29
  Speaker 5: together and commute and do all this stuff. And they
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: were in the same theater class. Your sister, my sister.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his sister and I were in the same class,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: went to New Old School. The arts are pouring.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Artsize, and your sister is on Broadway.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's she's a musical theater actress and.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: She does a lot of Broadway, so it's amazing.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Burns Yeah, yeah, very talented. By the way, she was
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: off for record deals at like nine years old. She
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: had like the sickest voice. So Gloria asked the final
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: all types of people were trying to sign her at
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: like dying ten eleven years old. It was nuts.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you guys not basically teen fifteen is when
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you became friends and did you did you share the
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: love of creating films? Is that what kind of put
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: you guys together?
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: We were both my sister was acting and Brandy was acting,
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: and I started acting, and Junior high was the first
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: place you could start taking drama classes, so we all
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: kind of were in the mix there. But my dad
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: had bought a camera video camera, so.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: With the cord that went to the vle like.
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: One machine had all the tapes in it. The other
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: one was a big ass battery pack that you have
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: to care could only going twenty either way. I mean
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: it was like crazy, yeah, and I could. I mean
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: they were there was like forty five pounds and you
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: had to carry around and we.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Had and we had to film each other like being
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: in the movie.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: So like Micha, Well, we only had two of us,
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: so my sister would and our sister would, our sister
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: would play like the girlfriend like that broke my heart.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: At the Christmas we had we had a tripod, so
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: we did do scenes together and we had some fun
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: stuff and we were just like having fun, just making videos.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: And but we did. We did. I mean we have
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: we found the tapes, the lost tapes. We have the
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Mike found when we'd convert them to DVD, so we.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Have Okay, where where do we watch? You have to Mike,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: can you take the Can you take them and put
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: them so that we can put them on social media?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Oh oh my god.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: I don't know if they're going to feel a good
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: fit for your your social people are gonna be like,
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: what the fuck is this?
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: We're Randall's social all right, Yeah.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: We could do that.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Listen so fun. So so here's here's a summary. We
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: made probably twenty thirty forty music videos, commercials, short films,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: like anything. We could just come up. We use we
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: would borrow the car in the neighborhood to have the
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: parent come and drive it, roll it up back and forth,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: like production value.
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Like we that is so adorable, and.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: We love movies too. We actually got dressed up for
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: to go see Wall Street in like suits.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: With glasses, with the ties, with everything. And then and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: we like, we didn't have a lot of friends. We
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of friends.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: We're gonna be I can't imagine why.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: This is the eighties and we just do it. No,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: we just didn't have a lot of friends. We were
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: we were Did.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: You go to New World too?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: He did?
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we both, we both, we both.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: He didn't finish.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Well, it's not like he didn't finish Harvard and he
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: didn't finish the New World.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Who finished a lot of schools he started.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: But it's fine. Look at him now thriving.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, listen. So so here's what happened. We made like
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: forty short films. We we And then what happened was
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: he was really he left.
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: Me to go to college and I was all alone.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: No, he was really, he was really he was really
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: talented with editing. So what happens. We created the story
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: kind of together, we directed it kind of together. We
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: started and then he was then I would go home
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: and all night he'd stay up and edit these things,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: which in the old days you had a.
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Kind of scotch tape machine. It was horrible and all
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: that stuffy. So he made these films into really cool
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: and it was really fun. And then I went off
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: to film school. He then came to the same film
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: school in New York, and then we stayed in our friends.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: That's okay, you know. So it's not for everybody.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: I have struggling problem with authority figures.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: That's understanding.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: You don't like being told what to do.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: That's why he's a director. That's why he's a director.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Oh so he holds all. Yeah, he Well, speaking of
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: being a director, you made your directorial debut with the
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: film Out of Death that I was in Lucky You
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: let's talk.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Let's let's pause there. So Lala was six months pregnant,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: five five months pregnant when she left to Puerto Rico
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: to do a movie. And now here's the thing. The
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: movie had it started on time and wrapped on time,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: not due to a COVID event. You would have been
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: in and out in just a couple of weeks, right,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: But because it got shut down for COVID.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Was there for a month, for freaking months.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: So here's the thing. I'm at home, I'm working in
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the office, you know, getting ready for the next movie.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I'm preparing, and Lala is calling me in isolation in
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: her hotel room. It's not funny. It's not funny. It's
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: not funny. It's serious at.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: The time, right, but now looking back, everyone's healthy and safe.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: We can laugh about it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yes, and by the way, were false positives, so it
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: wasn't even it wasn't even a real COVID event in
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: this particular situation. But Laala's calling me saying, I'm gonna
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: get out a fucking plane.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm aborting this mission.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: So the film starts, well.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: You know what happened was is that this movie was
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: supposed to go in April. Yes, and that's you were
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: like one month pregnant or something like that at that point. Yeah,
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: you weren't even pregnant, Juni.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You found out.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: We found out we were pregnant July. So if it
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: was supposed to go in the April.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: You weren't pregnant. That's right now, I wasn't, okay, So
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of push start dates. There were
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of issues COVID related events.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: You know that they treat false positives the same as
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a positive. They don't care if it comes back right.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: So we get we get a false positive, we have
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: to shut the movie down, and we have to retest,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: and we have to trace and do all these things.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And in the end, nobody had COVID in this in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: this situation, but it's still pushed the movie back two weeks.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: So now Lala gets on set. This is the part
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I like to hear it.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: So as I'm waiting, I'm becoming progressively more hormonially angry.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Tell pregnant.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Tell us from your perspective.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Tell us from your perspective, how well I was on
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: some days, on hers especially.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I don't want you to hold back.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is going to be good, because I
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: haven't even heard this.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: No, I mean we were I think we had. We
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: had a couple of you know, moments I'd say no, no,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: give us.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Some specific I want to hear what that means as
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a director, what is a specific moment?
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Well, no, I mean i'd say, you know, we were
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: the first one I think was when we were when
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I was trying to get a couple of rehearsals in
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: early on. We were trying to block out some stuff.
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: I was trying to do some blocking and had some
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: opinions about doing blocking.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Give us our opinions. What were they?
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: She said, I don't really know why. She said, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: don't know why we're doing blocking right now. I wish
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: you'd be doing that on set. I've never had to
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: do blocking in front of We.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Were in a ballroom rehearsal.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: What do you mean.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think we need to rehearse like that. Put
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: me on set, show me from point A to point B,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and I'll.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Tell you do I'll tell you what. That day, though,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: we did get on set and do that scene because
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: we blocked it. I was like, you know, the guys
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: know what to do. Remember we're here, here, here, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: we moved fast.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So it did we did.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: It did help them.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: By the way, I never would have been like I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: would have never had I not been so angry and hormonal,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I would have been like, fuck it, let's do a
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: million rehearsals.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: Well, remember you were also in pain. So you were
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: dealing with the saiata that was it's hard to do
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: anything when you're in pain.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I love that Mic is being so friendly because if
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I were in his place, I would say you were
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: a nightmare, and you were.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: First of all, you've done a lot of movies. I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: know a lot of the producers you've worked with and
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: directors that you've done since, you know, in the last
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: five years, and every single director and every single producer
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: gives you rave reviews. So I knew that in Mike
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Mike's Smart.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: I was and I was a fancast. I mean I
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: was already a fan of yours from you know, the
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: row too. I thought you did a great job. Was
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: so that was the first time actually seeing you do
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: a floral lead kind of leading to the thing, and
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: I thought you were great. So for me, it was
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: just like, let's just have fun with this, and I
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: know you're going to do really well. I just, you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: we just.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Time because she would call me, You call me and say,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: you know, like I just should be home right now.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I should be home. She should be home, you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: nesting and getting ready. But the thing was, you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you're the kind of person in law when you commit
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: to something, you never back out. So I know, you
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you know, you're somebody wants to finish and see it
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: through and you didn't want to let anybody down. It
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: was unfortunately the movie got pushed so many times that
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: it just ran into your practice.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Sciatic nerves did not add. But I'm so grateful that
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: it was Mike as the director because if it would
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: have been someone else, family, it was like family, And
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I felt, really.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: She's a double edged story because then you can kind
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: of you know, you yell at your brother.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: It's yeah, exactly, it's a little bit of a double
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: edged story. But I will say that it was hard.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: It was she had to do a lot of physical
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: stuff and should have like lay down on the grass
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: for you know, in a weird position for potent. She's
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: dead for like a half an hour while another guy's
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: doing a scene that she's not even really she's just
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: in the background. So it was a lot. There was
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: a lot of things there that were you know, a
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: little you know, tricky, and and you know, we you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: we were just there was a lot of pressure and
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I think that you know, you did, you did your
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: best to keep it together and and I think that,
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: you know, because you were pregnant, because of you having
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: the pain, I gave you a hall pass on that one.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: And I think still and I still think you crushed it.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: I think you did a great job and everybody loves
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: you in the movie.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I really like the movie. So now that so Mike
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: keeps saying that he wants me to watch it. I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: haven't ever watched a movie that I have been a
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: part of. I watched the row.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: We're sitting in the premiere of the movie.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: And then it kind of it kind of ended there.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I just I don't I don't enjoy it makes Yeah,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it makes me very uncomfortable because I critique myself like
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I could have done so much better, and then it's
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: not productive. It's not a productive thing.
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: You couldn't have done any better than you've done this way.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me, let me, let me and it hit
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: number six on iTunes, which is great war but who's
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: going four?
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Wow?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: See I was number three and number two, But hold on, okay,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: so let's just let's so let's talk about so now
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Mike directly, that's right. So, now Mike directs Out of
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Death and I direct Midnight in the Switchgrass. And here's
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the funny thing. So both of us are I'm fifty,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: he's almost fifty. We both decide to go and direct
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: our first features. I do mine and then get shut
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: down in the Pandemic and that it takes a long
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: time to remount it. You start yours after and when
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I'm in post and I'm actually shooting my next movie
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: that I'm directing. And but here's the irony of it all.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: We both grew up with the love of film. We
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: both are passionate filmmakers. We both waited decades to make
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the decision that we're ready to direct. What are the chances?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: What are the chances? This is? This is the craziest thing.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Mike brought this up to me, and at first I
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: was a whatever, man, that's kind of weird, But then
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: I really think about it. What are the chances that
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: we both have a movie come out.
• 26:00
  Speaker 8: One that started almost almost a year, almost the year
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: before mine because it gets ship down down, and then
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: his he did nine months later, whatever, And then they
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: both come out with two different studios within seven days
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: of each other. I'll and we're in the top ten together,
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: and then we're competing for the spots.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Chances are very low.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: It's one in a trillion, very low.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: It's almost near and possible. And then here's the crazy part.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: I remember when we're both at night Sunes. My movie
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: came out on Friday. He was already creeping up to
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: the top five and he was in at four at
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: this moment, and then I came in at like number eight,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: and when we first launched, and then he starts dropping
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: down because he's already been out and open. He's starting
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to go and.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Then I'm getting the daily the minute by minute update.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: I'm coming up for you.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, from eight, and I go to six and then
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: he goes to five and go, I'm close, but I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: don't know if we're ever going to get there because
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. And then he hits six and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: I go to five and I go screenshot right on
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the ends Instagram. Best friends.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: We made movies that get You're so course.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: He waited until he got the five spot and I
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: was down at six.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: That's your Randall Mills, and.
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: He goes, it's crazy when your best friend is number
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: six and your number five and the iTunes charts.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You know, what's crazy.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I gave you a shoutout.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: You're welcome, Oh a shout out.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give me a shout out. But then I got
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: to three and I was really excited. But here's the thing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I joke around with the competition, But the truth is,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: we both started movies together. We both loved film, and
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: we both waited that diverged in our past to do.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: You produced, it was acting, and you know, and you
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: were actually maybe considering directing when you went to film school.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I never want anything to do with
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: directing until I was up until I until I was
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: maybe ten years ago, I started thinking about it. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: just never thought I would ever me too.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I have a question for both of you now that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you have both directed. Mike, what do you feel was
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: one thing that you thought directing would to be like
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: that kind of shocked you that it wasn't that way.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: What was the unexpected aspect of directing?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yep?
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: I think you know, I think a lot of directing
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: that they don't teach you is you know how to
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: how to deal with people and how to how to
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: try to make sure that you're protecting your vision but
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: also respecting other people's artistic uh you know, freedom really
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: so they can really kind of do what they do.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: I think I think when we were doing our when
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: we were doing our stuff, and you know, I went,
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I came into it with this like really sharp vision
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: of what I wanted, which I think is good. But
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: then you've got to kind of throw it away and
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: let people do what they do. And then later on
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: in the post production process, you're like you watch stuff
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, okay, that kind of worked and
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: and that was really cool. So I think that yeah,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: just being able to work with different personalities and different
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: and different people who didn't need different things, right. They
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: think every every actor is a little bit different. Some
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: actors really want to be told what to do and
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: where to be and how to do and and other
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: people are kind of the opposite. And there's just a
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: lot of like different ways that methods that people use
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: to be able to do their thing. And and I
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: you know, you don't know that until you go in
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: and start and start working.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: With people teaching that and correct me if this wasn't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: how it really was. But you know, you're kind of,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you know, the head of the entire production. So it's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: not even just the actors that you have to worry
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: about and their you know, creative mindset and like you said, freedom,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: but you have other people on set that you're also
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in charge of. Was that kind of a shock that
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: it was like, Wow, I'm really running this entire show?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: Actually have a video of myself that I did a
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: little video diary, and I'm like, I have this is
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: I'm sneaking away right now because I haven't had like
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: five minutes to be able to just without somebody running
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: up and sing a question. I said, I guarantee you
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: in the next five seconds, somebody calls my name and
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: I literally five seconds later Mike, Where's Mike?
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Where's Mike?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: So that was new to me and having that, you know,
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: and having to I mean you you're used to that,
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: because I'm sure it's just NonStop.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think it was a completely
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: different experience for you.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Right from what you said, I think that part of
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: it wasn't as shocking.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: The Okay, so for you, same question, what was like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: what was the unexpected for you that you maybe had
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: a vision in your head of what directing consisted of,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and how was it different?
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I think for me. Uh was was just the intensity
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: of every minute, you know, Like as a producer, I
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: come on and I have to solve big problems, the
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: major problems, you know, like oh we're over schedule, where
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: we lost the location and actors sick, you know whatever,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the kind of big picture items, big ticket items, right
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: whereas a director you're solving every little little detail. And
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: so for me, I just wasn't used to the constant
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: every second. And here's the big takeaway. I went into
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: directing just with an open mind. Even though I've produced
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: over one hundred films and I've been on many sets,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I went in not expecting anything. I just said, I
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: don't know what this is going to be, Like I
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: might hate it, I might love it, but I don't know.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And as you know, Babe, as I told you every
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: day I called you, I was so excited about every
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: part of it. But I think for me, the part
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: that I that I wasn't ready for was as a producer.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: After two hours, if I'm ready to go to the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: hotel and go play pickleball, you can leave. If I
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: want to go, if I want to go back to
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: LA and see my kids or see you, law, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: get on the plane and I come, I say on Thursday,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I'll be home when you're three weeks, five weeks, six
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: weeks in, and you're like, I'm fucking tired, and I
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: want to go home to my house, and I want
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: to you know, I want to go to the hotel.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Not enough.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: So anyway, there was a day where I didn't feel
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: well well, I only had a few hours of sleep,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and I was super fatigued and I was dehydrated, and
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I went on set and you don't have a choice.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: You don't get to let people down when you're in there.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: So I think that you can't say, like today I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: need to sleep in a little.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because every minute counts on a movie set, and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: every dollar means something. And after being a producer for
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: so many years, I have such respect for that part
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: of it that I wouldn't do that. And I remember,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: this is this is the best moment I had as
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a I mean not the best one. This is the
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: moment where where the producer produced me for the first
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: time in my career. Because I do the producing and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: I produce directors. One of my producers, I was supposed
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to be there at eight o'clock in the morning and
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I gotten up at six not feeling well, and he
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: knocks on my door. He comes in and he's like,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: all right, you ready to go? And I was like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: oh my god, they're sending somebody in to bring me
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: because they know that I told him I don't feel well.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Can We pushed it a couple hours and he's like,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: come on, I got you bagel, I got your orange juice,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I got you some vitamins, I got you emergency. We're going,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: let's go. And I said, no, no, no, no, no, I
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: don't feel I don't feel great. He's like, no, no, it's great.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You're gonna go. We're gonna set the shot. Then you
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: go on your trailer. You're gonna rest for an hour,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and then I'm bringing back on set. We're gonna keep going.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my god, I'm getting produced. It's
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: like it's like what I've done right, and you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: because you want so It's just like those moments were
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: so surreal for me, because that's what I did for
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: twenty plus years, you know, with other directors, and so
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I think that was new to me and not having
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that that exit where I could just say I'm tired
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and I want to I've worked, you know, twenty two
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: days straight. I haven't had a day off, and I
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: want to just go sleep. There's no option for that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: And so I think for me that that was that
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: was something. But then again, the adrenaline and the excitement
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: and the high mind as you.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Get on there's nothing like you forget your fatigued.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's no magic that when you walk onto
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: a set and you get to create, for me with
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: actors and talk about a scene and they challenge you.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: You know, actors will say, well, why, why why are
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: you making this decision? I don't necessarily agree that my
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: character would do. And I like that part of it.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I enjoy being pushed and that and that's a real artist.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: You know, actors who are who are incredible arts, They
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: are incredible artists, and they want to be challenged. They
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: want to be pushed, they want answers, and if they
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: don't believe what you're what you're telling them right, then
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you've got to find a way to convince them that
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: that is the right choice for that character. And if not,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you got to be open to their choice. And does
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: it not? Does it does? Sometimes? What they say, you know,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: when they give me ideas. I'm like, I didn't see that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm open to that. Let's try it that
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: way too. So I enjoy that collaborative process. I enjoy
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: really really creating, collaborating on an intimate level right on set,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: in the moment, and when the magic works, Mike, I mean,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I think that there's no bigger high for me. You
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: know that that's it. That's where I found that level,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: reminding me when I first started producing films. You know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: it's all brand new.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And yeah and all that.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: So yeah, all right, I like, let's throw this back
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: to you now.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: A quick break before we go to along.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I've never directed anything.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: You direct me every day. Okay, all right, We're gonna
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: take quick break and then and then you can interview
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the law. We'll be right back.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: We are back. I really loved hearing your guys' little
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: story of how you came to be and about you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: guys being.
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: The odds of us being friends for this long and
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: working together for this long. How many people do you
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: know that have been friends and working together six thirty something?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Three of my best friends I've known for.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Not thirty five years, thirty five So no, but I
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: in the same field, same field. We've been working together
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: for two decades.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: No, it's amazing, it's amazing. It's very sweet. And you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest. I know both of you,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and neither of you are super easy to deal with.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: So the fact that you I.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Am a cakewalk, I resent that.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying yeah, no, I wouldn't be able to
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: say it cool.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: So I'm going to throw you something at you because
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: I just want to know in terms of because I
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: mean you you do your character. I guess I don't
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: know if it's I'm not a big reality show person,
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: so I don't watch the shows and I don't watch
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: the show, but I know that Randy was a huge
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: fan of vander Pump forever, and I know that you
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: are amazing in it and everybody loves you. What's the
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: Is it a persona or is it you? Or what's
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: the deal there?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I love that question because a lot of people do
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: think like you. This has to be scripted because no
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: one in their right frame of mind would act this way.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I think the difference between being on this show there's.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Like versus acting.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: There's right acting. You know, you hand me a script
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: and I get to be very creative with it and spendah.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Of course I go to a coach, but when I
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: step onto Vanner pump rules and I'm being myself. You know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the only difficult part is you don't get to say
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: this isn't the right time or place, you know, because
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that's what we do. We feel all of our feelings
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and we express them. So there's no gray area you're
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: black or you're white. And that it's so crazy because
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: my mom always told me as a child, like, please
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: find the gray area in life. I was always very intense.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It was always one way or another and it couldn't
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: be in between. And who knew that that would make
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: a reality TV personality.
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: It's like if I am feeling it and thinking it,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: then I say it, and sometimes it's you.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: It's yeah, and apparently it works.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Listen when I want when I see you, because I
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: now sometimes around while you're filming, you know, nothing changes.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, you guys are who you are. I know
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: you guys. Why the camera's rolling, I know you guys
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: when we're on vacation. It is who you guys are.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Nothing is different. The only thing that that happens is
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you guys are confronting and dealing with your inner friendships
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: right there in the world gets to watched.
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: But I mean, imagine it's harder doing what you do
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: than being on a screen, you know, acting, where you
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: get to just jump out and be anybody. I mean,
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: you have to be vulnerable, and I mean you're you're
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: on You're on the show now too, So I mean,
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: what does it feel like when you're.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Just, oh, well, for me, it's never going to be
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: it's for her. It's amazing when sometimes I sit there,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: we joke about it while and I like, I'll be
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: sitting at a dinner table why they're filming, and they're
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: having like these conversations or these intense conversations, and I
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm sitting on my couch watching the show
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: because I'm never going to be comfortable with the camera
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: pointed at me. It's not real.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: You're behind the scenes guy, You're never going to feel
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: comfortable about opening up.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not my thing. I respect that, but
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: but but watching them, it's like they don't even know
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: the cameras are there. They are just themselves, whether they
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: are getting along or not getting along. And that's why
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I say, like to do what they do and be
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: who they really are. They're the real selves. They're not
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: when the cameras start rolling you would think like, oh,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: they're gonna put on a show. Now it's like I'm
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: sitting there watching they are exactly.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Just organically happens. And the thing is with this group.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Is and they are friends. You get the other thing
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I want to say, Mike, that that most people don't know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry to cut you off. The thing that
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: people don't know is this group they are really friends.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I've met Laala, you know, years and years ago, and
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I've known every one of these people that are on
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: the show from the day I met you Loss. I mean,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: they've been in your life. Yeah, whether they're whether the
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: cameras are rolling or they're vacationing with no cameras. They
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: are true friends. This group, you know.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are times where we have drama and
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, God, when vander Palms love to catch this
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: right now, you know, like it just it never changes.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: But it's almost like the ultimate therapy because you're constantly
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: spewing your feelings and at the end of the day,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: you sometimes they we make each other better and other
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: times we come to the understanding where it's like we're
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: going to disagree on this, and is it going to
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: end a friendship or do we just like own that
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: to who this person is, This is who I am,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna move on and just embrace the fact
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: that we disagree on this. You know, it's like I
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: feel like I have therapy, especially in our interviews.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: Do you I mean, if you if you have a
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: problem watching yourself in films, do you watch yourself on
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: this day?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: They have to, They have to think they have to
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: because then we go into a reunion where we have
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to talk about all of our behavior and things like that.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: So they therefore like it's part they have to watch
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: each episode. But are you it's.
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: Critical of yourself when you watch it, when you watch
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: yourself being yourself?
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Or no, I think you're less critical.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: I'm way less critical who you are? Right. It's it's
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: like for me doing vander Pump, it's not an I
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's an art. You know, like when I
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: go and I film a movie, you know, I really
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: incubate that character and try to take it on as
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: my own. And if I feel like that's going to
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: be judged as it not being good enough. I take
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: it more personally, I guess because I also feel like
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: I let the roll down, whereas like if on TV,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: if someone's judging me, it's like, fuck you, this is me,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like take it early, own care.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think that's easier. Like if you're on
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: a reality show like you are, people are judging, they're what,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: they're judging who you are as a person. You know
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: who you are.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know why that's easier for me to digest.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: It's easier for me to digest them coming for me
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: as a human rather than them coming for like a
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: character what I'm putting on.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think you could do the job. Like that's why,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: like when people like I don't think you can be
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: in the position you're in and be so like by
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: a comment you know, shook, as you say, like, I
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: think it would be hard to do what you do.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And I think you guys have to build up a
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: certain kind of tolerance for people you know coming for
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: you on reality Whereas in a movie you work hard
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: and inhibit a role and interpret a role, and then
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: you put it out there and then people say, oh, well,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: you didn't do a good job. That's that's hard because
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: it's like your artistic work.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: So as as a reality star, you're being real, You're
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: just being who you are. So I don't think you
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: get as shaken.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Now, you know, it's not at all.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Well, I think you did a great job on the
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: on the movie. And if you haven't seen Out of Death,
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: go check it out. It's available on Amazon. Watch La
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: La because she's is really fun and amazing and there's
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: you know, there's.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: A lot, a lot of stuff with that role.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I'm proud of both of you guys. You guys both
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: did a great job. And Mike's getting ready to go
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: direct another movie in October.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: I just signed my contract with Yes Off you go off,
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: You go off, you go Thank you, thank you for
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: the opportunity.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, so before we sign off, Mikey, thanks for.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: Joining me, Thanks for having thanks for coming.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: Thanks guys, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Mike Burns's Instagram is Mike Burns.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: There you go follow him and check out his latest work.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we have a few voicemails that I want
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: to answer. I love voicemails.
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: Hi, Lala and Randall, It's Gabby and Erica from New
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: Mexico and we love your show, and we our question
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: is for Randall, and our question is have you read
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: Laala's entire book? You just wanted to know and if
• 42:41
  Speaker 9: you sat down and read it, we love you guys.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: My answer is, by no, I read what Lala wanted
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: to to. I think that was the safest move for me.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: When Lala was writing the book, I really really respected
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: the fact that she's going to be a first time author.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: When she came to me and said, I'm going to
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: write a book on myself, on my life, and you know,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I was very supportive and I said, is it you know,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: you know, just you know, I wanted to kind of
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: let her have her moment. I didn't. I felt like
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: if I read it why she was writing it and
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: the drafts that she had, I might, you know, get
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a little shook. Yeah, I read. I read. She let me.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: We talked about me reading the one chapter there's one
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: particular chapter and I don't, but there's one chapter I
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: did read, and I really I just said, okay, you know,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: it's it's your voice, it's your it's your world. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I think one of the things about our relationship that
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: we've always thrived on is we support one another and
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: everything we do, and I definitely support her in this book.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Are there things in the book that I would have
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: preferred she maybe left out? Sure? I mean, I definitely
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: don't think toothbrushes are necessary in the book.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: So can I chime in on that real quick? Because
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: that was a big headline I've spoken about a lot,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: especially in the show, and I'm going to say this
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: without getting emotional. The reason I chose to put things
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: like that in the book are because you know, I
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: was really struggling with addiction, and there were people when
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I said that I came out as an alcoholic that
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: really looked at me like why, I don't get it.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: And it was important for me to show the behavior
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that I would display and things that I would do
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: when I was drinking. So even though it made for
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: an entertaining headline, it made for an entertaining story in
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the book. It went way beyond that. Yeah, it was
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: like this, these are the things that I'm mortified about
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: that I would do when I would drink. Sorry, so
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: it's okay, I love you.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a dark time, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: it was a dark time, and you know, life's not
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: always what it's supposed to be, you know, you know,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I mean people don't know all the details, but you
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you know, you struggle with addiction and then your father
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: passed away and then you know dark. So I'm very
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: proud of you at who you are today. And yeah,
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think when I think, for me,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the best thing was just to support whatever you put
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: out because it was your words, your voice, and I
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: know I know behind what all that, why you were
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: trying to share that stuff. You know. Unfortunately, people and
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: headlines want things to you know, ay.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: One, what's interesting to click on? How many people can
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: we get to read what I've just written? So I respect,
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: I respect the hustle and the game, right, but it
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: is important for me to tell you and everyone else
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: that that wasn't just so that it would make a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: funny headline. This was a real life sickness that I'm
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: still battling every day. It will never be cured, and
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: it's important for me to be a sober human being.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Because I pulled some stupid shit.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: There we go, Yeah, and you know what, that's that's life.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, so I think
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't read the book, but I read
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: things that Lallan wanted me to read, and that's.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: That's kind of where it was published. Because I wasn't anything.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: I like this next question.
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: Hi, Lala and Randall.
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: My name is Lauren. I live in the New York area.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: I am a huge fan. You guys are killing it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: I wanted to ask the question regarding relationships. I've been
• 46:21
  Speaker 6: with my fiance now for ten years. We started dating
• 46:24
  Speaker 6: freshman year of college and throughout the pandemic. One thing
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: that we've really been working on is how to fight.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: All couples are going to fight that eventually, you know,
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: you have to learn to fight the right way for you,
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: for your partner, and how everybody communicates differently. So was
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: wondering what you both would say your biggest tip for
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: couples would be regarding communication and regarding what you've learned
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: in terms of how what is the best way to
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: fight like all couples do. So keep up the great world.
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: So happy for you both for all the changes this
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: year and wishing you all the best things.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Who the second I like heard this boy smile, I
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't even think I know the answer,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: But that's like such a great question.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, but I think that even you know, we've been
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: together a long time now, I think, or not a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: long time, but we've been together a decent amount of time.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's communication is constantly evolving. It's like that
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: you also, you always have to be kind of evolving.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: And when when when the communication is breaking down between
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you know, a couple, you have to kind of work
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: on that. You have to say, Okay, what can I
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: do to you know, be heard the right way? You know?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: And same with you. You know, you'll say to me, I
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: need to be heard, and then I have to figure out,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you know, you have to figure out a way to
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: have that conversation with me, and vice versa. So I
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: think that my my my only advice for people is
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you have to really have patience lots of patients and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: you have to you know, you have to be willing
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: to put the work in, you know. And I think
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: that I think the easy answer sometimes is you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: oh you know, it's just not working and fuck it, right,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: you know, right, that's what we do is human beings.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing as well for couples is
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to not shove things under the rug because then a
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: blow up happens, and there's so much that's you know,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: been pushed aside that you don't even know the root
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: of the problem anymore. And I still think Randall and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I are figuring out how to argue with each other
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and how to hear each other correctly, because we are
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: both the type of people to the second that there's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: you know, we're feeling like the other one is attacking,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: the wall goes up and that person immediately becomes the opponent, right,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: And that's a difficult pattern to break. And I think
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: because you and I are like any other couple in
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: the world, where you hit walls sometimes, like relations, That's
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And my parents have been.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Together a lot of work. So the person you're with,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you have to be willing to say, I'm going to
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: fight through everything to make this work.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Well, Like my parents have been together fifty years, and
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I take my hat off to both them and your
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: parents were together for how many years? Twenty thirty, thirty?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: No, they were approaching their forty forty Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Right, okay, when you're father best way, so a long time. So,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: and you know, one thing I take away from them
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: always is you will hit walls in your relationship, whether
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: you've been together one year, five years, ten years, forty years.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: But the thing is how you deal with it and
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: how you try to communicate and change the communication. Like
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: when you and I feel like we're not communicating, you know,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: or there are things, you know, bothering me or bothering you,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: we have to have that talk. And I think a
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: lot of couples don't want to have that talk, and
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that talk isn't always comfortable.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I would say that are the biggest thing that we've practiced.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: I would give this advice to anybody, is for you
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: and your partner to come up with a safe word,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: because in the heat of the moment, you're not thinking
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: and you're only feeling. So it's once you feel like, okay,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I'm in this state of mind where I just want
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: to attack or I don't want to hear what my
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: partner is saying, you drop the safe word. You both
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: allow yourselves to quiet timeout. It's the timeout.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, we don't have it figured
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: out and we're not experts, you know. But at the
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: same time, I feel like at the end of the day,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: you just like I think that general consensus, because we're
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: not experts on this topic by any means. I think
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: you constantly have to evolve, and when you're hitting walls
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: and things are not going the way you'd like them
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: to go, because sometimes they're not going well for both
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: of you, and sometimes they're not going well for one person.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes one person struggling more than the other,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: et cetera. So I just think you got to you
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: got to figure out a way to talk to each
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: other and be heard and in a way in a
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: way that your partner doesn't feel attacked.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: It's so much easier said than done. I mean, perspective
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: is a real bitch, because it's like the one thing
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: that I sit here and I'm like, God, if we
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: all just see the world so differently.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not listen, we we uh, you know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: we we do the work and and and we're always
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: doing the work. And some months it's super smooth sailing,
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: some years super smooth sailing, and summer are more difficult.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you just got
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: to keep talking.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: But it sounds like they've been together ten years, like
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: their rider die for each other.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, I think at the end
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: of the day. You just gotta you gotta figure out
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: a way to communicate.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: We love saying at the end of the day.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I'm going to end.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: This post.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Should be called the End of the Day podcast.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: That's my next podcast. That's the spin off of this podcast.
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: End of the Day. Anyway, that was a really good question.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I like that mquestion just because it's nice to see
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: people who have been together a day kid, who you.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Know, still are trying to figure it out, just like
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: we all are.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: But my parents, my parents too, and I and I
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: even remember having conversations with your dad. My parents, you know,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: are together now fifty years and yeah, they have days
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: where they're just like, I go, how's how's my dad doing?
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Not talking? Well, it's been fifty fucking years. What are
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: you talking about? He doesn't deserve it today I cut
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: pasta and the pasta it's not all about the pasta.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: But but he didn't say it with al dente enough,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, is this for real? These guys were
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: fifty fucking years together, but that's you know, that's the
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: same ship. And I remember talking. I used to go
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: to your dad for advice about you, and it's like, oh,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: these two women, you know, you know, Lisa and you.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: He's like, sometimes you just got just let it, just
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: let it, let it go, just let him roll. And
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I was like, that's your advice.
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Ken.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, it's like okay, and by.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: The way, me and my mom to just tire ourselves out.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: But that's but that's what he was. That's what Ken
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: used to try to tell me. But it was so new,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: it was like three months in and I'd be like, Kent,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: that's not the fucking advice I was looking for. It's
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: like you'll learn, you'll learn, you have Yeah, No, I
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: just quit. I just quit the fight. I just just like, Okay,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: you win. It's it's too exhausting.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: I take it. Anyway, those were epic voicemails. I'm happy
• 53:10
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  Speaker 1: six six Laala Pod. This was fun.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: This was fun. Well, thank Mike Burns for being on here,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: and of course I thank you Lala Kent for being
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: a great co.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Host, and I thank you for being the with Randall
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: to my give them Laala Thank you guys.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: For listening to fucking Ego fucking mania cool.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I love you and I love you guys as well.
• 53:38
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• 53:40
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• 53:43
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, Lala, I love you so much. This
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: is so exciting that I can call and leave a
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: comment and you can hear it. Maybe you'll share it. Anyways,
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: I'm just really happy for you and Randall for your
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: new baby, Ocean. She's gorgeous. You're doing great as a
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: new mommy, and can't wait to see you on the
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: show here soon. Hope all is well, and keep doing
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: what you're doing. You're killing it girl.
• 54:06
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• 54:09
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• 54:13
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