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Crossover: Detroit Tigers vs. Houston Astros Preview With Crush City Territory · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And we'll go into a special crossover episode of Tiger
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  Speaker 1: Territory and Crushed Dave and Hagen with me as always
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  Speaker 1: and joining Us Chandler underscore Rome for the Athletic and
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  Speaker 1: of course is the host of CRUs City here on
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  Speaker 1: Foul Territory. What's up, guys?
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  Speaker 2: How are we doing?
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  Speaker 3: What's up?
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  Speaker 4: Karen? How are you?
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  Speaker 2: And Cody?
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  Speaker 4: I guess how are you?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing good. We are getting ready for the Tigers
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  Speaker 5: to play the Astros, which if you're listening to this,
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  Speaker 5: I assume you already know, but a lot of connections.
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  Speaker 5: So we're about to break it down.
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  Speaker 4: Have the Tigers and the Astros played recently? Has that
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  Speaker 4: been a I think there was.
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  Speaker 5: A playoff series. I think Tiger's president of baseball Operations
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  Speaker 5: went out of his way to mention it when they
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  Speaker 5: didn't get Alex Bregman, that they just be a team
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  Speaker 5: that had Alex Bregman, not that they were salty at all.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good callback, Cody, because when when Scott said that,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, it was kind of like like Scott Harris,
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  Speaker 1: you know, for the Crush City listeners, president of Baseball
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  Speaker 1: Operations for the Tigers, like goes out of his way
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  Speaker 1: to just like not show personality, and that was clearly
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  Speaker 1: him like kind of putting a little bit of like
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  Speaker 1: the competitive cap on, and so long time listeners and
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  Speaker 1: viewers of Scott Harris press conferences. God bless all of
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  Speaker 1: you that do that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I think it kind of stood out a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: It was like like going against the company line, and
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  Speaker 1: it was rather petty, if we're being honest. So that's
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  Speaker 1: how that's so so Chandler, maybe we should just start
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  Speaker 1: right there. That's how the Tigers reacted to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: losing out on the Bregmant sweepstakes. Obviously the timeline was
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  Speaker 1: a lot different for the Astros, But how did the
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  Speaker 1: organization handle handle that aspect of the off season.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean they've been through it so many times before, right.
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  Speaker 4: They let Carlos Correa walk, they let George Springer walk,
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  Speaker 4: they let get Cole walk, they let all the wasn't homegrown,
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  Speaker 4: but they let all these homegrown superstars walk. And I
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  Speaker 4: think anyone with a brain went into last off season
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  Speaker 4: like understanding that the Ashers weren't going to bring Alex
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  Speaker 4: Bregman back. It would have taken something that this that
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  Speaker 4: Jim Crane and the owner just just doesn't do it
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  Speaker 4: would have taken the sort of contract, the sort of
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  Speaker 4: massive average annual value that he has been reluctant to give.
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  Speaker 4: The weird thing is the contract Bregmant ended up getting
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  Speaker 4: is more suitable and more amenable to things that the
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  Speaker 4: Ashers have done. Like they are they are okay with
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  Speaker 4: doing the short term, big AAV deals. But you know,
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  Speaker 4: Jim Crane even said this on an opening day, like
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  Speaker 4: they never changed their offer. They offered him six years
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  Speaker 4: for one hundred and fifty six million dollars at the
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  Speaker 4: beginning of the off season and they never budged. And
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  Speaker 4: to me, that's kind of confounding, just given especially when
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  Speaker 4: if Scott Borris made it known that like Alex Bregman
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  Speaker 4: would take a shorter term deal with a huge AAV.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure why they didn't, you know, alter their offer.
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  Speaker 4: But then again, and like at that point when Bregman signed,
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  Speaker 4: they had Christian Walker on the roster, they had Estock
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  Speaker 4: Paradus on the roster, like it wouldn't have that there
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  Speaker 4: wasn't a fit for him. That Alex Bregman's a guy
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  Speaker 4: that you make a fit for. They would have made
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  Speaker 4: Esock Paradius could play second, which would have been a
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  Speaker 4: hilarious disaster. But yeah, I mean, there wasn't a ton
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  Speaker 4: of like shock. There wasn't a ton of like petty,
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  Speaker 4: like oh my goodness, I can't like they've they've just
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  Speaker 4: been through this so many times that I think they
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  Speaker 4: were just going all right, like who's next, Like next, next,
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  Speaker 4: man up, let's do it again.
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  Speaker 1: You think he's gonna opt out? Cody and I have
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  Speaker 1: debated this.
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  Speaker 4: You think, I mean that sort of contract, like it
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  Speaker 4: kind of conditions itself to opting out. I think I honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I think he may sign an extension with the Red Sox.
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  Speaker 4: Like obviously, I don't think it happened. I don't think
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  Speaker 4: it happens in season, but like I think he really
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  Speaker 4: likes it there. I know he and Alex Corey get
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  Speaker 4: along very well. And then I mean probably the deciding factor.
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  Speaker 4: You look at the ballpark. I mean, I've already the
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  Speaker 4: few home runs I've seen, I've gone couple in stack
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  Speaker 4: cast like it's been out in three of thirty ballparks,
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  Speaker 4: Dike and Park, Dike and Parkie. I wonder why.
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  Speaker 5: Chandler, he said the bar wasn't a factor in his decision.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, sure, yeah, but I think I mean,
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  Speaker 4: he's he'd be if he keeps this up. I mean
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  Speaker 4: he's He's had an incredible start to his season, which
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  Speaker 4: is not many, which is not what you can say
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  Speaker 4: normally about Alex Bregman. He's a chronically slow starter. So
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  Speaker 4: to see him have the start that he's had, if
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  Speaker 4: he keeps that up, like, it's a no brainer that
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  Speaker 4: he's going to opt out, and he'll probably get the
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  Speaker 4: deal next off season that he thought he was going
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  Speaker 4: to get, uh this offseason, or that he could have
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  Speaker 4: had from the Tigers.
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  Speaker 5: Oddly enough, the Tigers aren't missing Alex Bregman that much
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  Speaker 5: right now. Now he's hitting three nineteen with five home runs.
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  Speaker 5: He'd still look pretty nice in this lineup. He'd probably
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  Speaker 5: make you feel a little bit better about the sustainability
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  Speaker 5: to use the the S word that's popular, not popular
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  Speaker 5: on our podcast of the Tiger's success. But yeah, right now,
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  Speaker 5: they don't need him. When you have Zach McKinstry, and
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  Speaker 5: you know howve Bay is playing all over the diamond,
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  Speaker 5: why would you want to commit six years in one
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  Speaker 5: hundred and eighty one million.
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  Speaker 4: But we can talk about bregmant Olli. Well, but is
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  Speaker 4: this going to are we going to corner the market
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  Speaker 4: this week on infielders playing the outfield between Hobby and
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  Speaker 4: Altuve and left and then Cam Smith, who's a third
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  Speaker 4: baseman's playing right field for them, Like it's uh, there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of cross pollination here, a
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  Speaker 4: lot of you know, just changing positions for the hell
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  Speaker 4: of it.
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  Speaker 5: So, since you brought it up for our Tigers listeners,
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  Speaker 5: how does Jose Altuve look in the outfield?
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  Speaker 4: So he looks fine. I mean, he's not going to
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  Speaker 4: win a Gold Glove. He's probably not even going to
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  Speaker 4: be average. The whole the whole reason the Astros did
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  Speaker 4: this was to get him away from most of the action.
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  Speaker 4: Like they're well aware that he's going to get very
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  Speaker 4: few balls hit to him and like field, especially with
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  Speaker 4: a rotation that at the top has fromer Bell does
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  Speaker 4: in Hunter Brown, both of whom get a ton of
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  Speaker 4: ground balls. They know that they can hide him out there.
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  Speaker 4: I don't have his chances in front of me, but
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  Speaker 4: for a while there he was like bottom third in
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  Speaker 4: the league and left field chances. So they they're okay
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  Speaker 4: with the fact that they can just kind of put
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  Speaker 4: him out there. He can run around like he's athletic enough.
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  Speaker 4: He's about turn thirty five, but he's athletic enough, Like
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  Speaker 4: he runs balls down in the gap. Okay, he's got
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  Speaker 4: good instincts, he's got good awareness. All of his troubles
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  Speaker 4: have honestly been him getting in his own head because like,
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  Speaker 4: he doesn't have a good throwing arm. He has one
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  Speaker 4: of the weakest arms on the infield last year, in
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  Speaker 4: the past couple of years, his arm is not good
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  Speaker 4: and teams are running on him a ton. Christian Basquez
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  Speaker 4: took an extra base on him in Minnesota to start
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  Speaker 4: the season, so he knows that his arm is not good.
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  Speaker 4: The ashers are doing a lot to help mitigate that.
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  Speaker 4: Jeremy Panna, the shortstop, is the cutoff man. They're positioning
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  Speaker 4: him a lot deeper, so how two vays throws aren't
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  Speaker 4: as long and pain You can get the ball in
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  Speaker 4: his hands quicker, but the gas that you've seen him
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  Speaker 4: make are as he's like trying to take the ball
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  Speaker 4: out of his glove to throw. He's rushing the process.
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  Speaker 4: He thinks he's got to be so perfect and get
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  Speaker 4: it out so quick that instead of the two you
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  Speaker 4: saw in spring training that went viral, where him dropping
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  Speaker 4: a fly ball with a runner on third base in
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  Speaker 4: less than two outs that he knew the runner was
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  Speaker 4: going to tag and he had it and he said,
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  Speaker 4: I got to get this ball out and I got
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  Speaker 4: to go. In Minnesota, coincidentally, he dropped a ball when
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't even it was a fly ball that he caught,
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  Speaker 4: but again there was a runner that was going to
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  Speaker 4: take an extra base on him. He went to do
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  Speaker 4: the glove to hand transfer and just drop the ball.
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  Speaker 4: That's been the big like he's catching all the routine
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  Speaker 4: flyballs hit to him. He can run down some stuff
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  Speaker 4: in the gap. He's more athletic than you think when
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  Speaker 4: you look at him. But he's not gonna win a
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  Speaker 4: go glove out there. But the whole point was they
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  Speaker 4: got him out of the middle of the action and
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  Speaker 4: Cody like you remember this the thing that's set up
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  Speaker 4: the the inning that won the Tigers at Wildcard Series.
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  Speaker 4: Like Ryan Presley to start that eighth inning, got a
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  Speaker 4: routine ground ball just kind of up the middle that
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  Speaker 4: an average second baseman gets to OZL two. They couldn't
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  Speaker 4: get to it. He didn't have much range. It sneaks
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  Speaker 4: through and then as we saw kind of all hell
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  Speaker 4: broke loose, and that was I'm not gonna say that
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  Speaker 4: was the tipping point. That's why they did it. They've
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  Speaker 4: been thinking about doing this for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 4: But it's kind of accentuates kind of how in the
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  Speaker 4: middle of everything he was at second base. They didn't
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  Speaker 4: want that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: What about his attitude about it?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, he loves it.
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  Speaker 2: He is.
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  Speaker 4: This is as energized as I have seen him. I've
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  Speaker 4: covered him for eight years. This is as energized as
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  Speaker 4: I've ever seen spring training. Like he was giddy, like
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  Speaker 4: he was like he was first couple of days he
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  Speaker 4: was out there, like he he would lead like the
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  Speaker 4: outfielders back from from drills and he go oh, outfielders
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  Speaker 4: coming through, outfielders coming through, and like he's like, it's
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  Speaker 4: re energized him. I think for two reasons. One because
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  Speaker 4: he wants to prove people wrong, Like he he understands
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  Speaker 4: that there is a lot of skepticism out there. Can
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  Speaker 4: he do this? Like is this the right move? And
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  Speaker 4: then also like he doesn't want to embarrass himself either,
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  Speaker 4: So he's gonna go out there and work his tail
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  Speaker 4: off Like this is as engaged and as diligent as
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  Speaker 4: I've seen him doing really anything since I've started covering him.
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  Speaker 4: And I you know, I think that has a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of hand in why is second base metrics declined
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  Speaker 4: so much, Because, let's face it, like I mean, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if Miguel Cabrerac thought this way, but like
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  Speaker 4: veteran players that do the same thing for so long,
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  Speaker 4: like Altuve was going to fifteen spring trainings and taking
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  Speaker 4: Grandma at the second base and like it becomes monotonous,
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  Speaker 4: it becomes like it's devoid of any like intrigue or joy.
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  Speaker 4: And I think this giving him something new and giving
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  Speaker 4: him something new to do definitely re energy. He's all
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  Speaker 4: in on this and he loves me.
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  Speaker 1: I'll ask Cody the Javier Bayaz aspect of this. After
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  Speaker 1: So crushed any people. That's our life right now. That's
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  Speaker 1: that's a glorious tune that we got and uh, it
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  Speaker 1: will be in your head now like it's been in
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  Speaker 1: Cody and I his head for the better part of
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  Speaker 1: the great deal though not against it. But it's a
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  Speaker 1: catchy tune. That's how you know they did a good job,
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  Speaker 1: Cody the You know he talked about al two VA's enthusiasm.
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  Speaker 1: That's the same thing with hobbyer bias, is it not?
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  Speaker 5: That sounded so familiar. It was kind of crazy. Chandler said.
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  Speaker 5: The most engaged I've seen ose L TV is easily
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  Speaker 5: the most engaged we've seen Hobby by it as we've
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  Speaker 5: talked about it a little bit before, but over the
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  Speaker 5: past week we've seen him a lot more in center
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  Speaker 5: field and he's looked kind of natural. Like I think
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  Speaker 5: he's looked as good, if not better than our guy,
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  Speaker 5: Ryan Kreidler. He's having fun, he's still being productive at
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  Speaker 5: the plate. In reality, he's not hit for any power.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't have a home run yet. He's probably not
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  Speaker 5: going to be valuable in terms of war unless the
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  Speaker 5: power picks up. But just seeing him contribute, he's still
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  Speaker 5: continuing to chase at the lowest rate of his entire career.
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  Speaker 5: He's doing those hobby things that you know. When the
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  Speaker 5: Tigers signed him, he was kind of known for tagging
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  Speaker 5: up to second on a fly ball to right field,
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  Speaker 5: finding ways to get the extra base, like just doing
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  Speaker 5: kind of creative things, having a ton of fun. This
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  Speaker 5: is a more engaged version of Javier Bayas. I don't
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  Speaker 5: know if that will continue, but I think playing different
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  Speaker 5: positions has been a big part of it. I think
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  Speaker 5: maybe the impact of Glabor Torrez, who he's close with,
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  Speaker 5: has helped. And I think just a certain level of
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  Speaker 5: maybe acceptance that, you know what, he's not a superstar anymore.
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  Speaker 5: So you can either go one way. You can sit
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  Speaker 5: there and be miserable, or you can find a way
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  Speaker 5: to help the team win. I think Javier Bias likes
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  Speaker 5: winning a lot, and right now the Tigers are eighteen
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  Speaker 5: and ten. They have the best record in the American League.
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  Speaker 5: That probably does not hurt the level of engagement coming
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  Speaker 5: from Hobby right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, himself a good weekend too, several key hits,
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  Speaker 1: RBI and all that stuff. So it is one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that we've always said Chandler, is that like
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  Speaker 1: with the with the hobby or bayas aspect, is that
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point, you just gotta have to forget
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  Speaker 1: the contract, forget the years, forget the money, and just
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  Speaker 1: kind of reset what your expectations are, like how you feel.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you're just gonna go based on at six
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  Speaker 1: for one eighty that he signed like he's always gonna
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  Speaker 1: be miserable. But if you can kind of focus on
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  Speaker 1: like these things that he's doing and like his like
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  Speaker 1: the intangible stuff that he brings, you find yourself a
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  Speaker 1: lot better suited to uh to deal with like what
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  Speaker 1: is obviously a disappointment, you know, dollars to production. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if there's anything like that on the Astros
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  Speaker 1: over the past couple of years that you can relate to,
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  Speaker 1: but but that's that that's our message in regards to
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  Speaker 1: the hobby or hobby aspect on the Tigers, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean, the Astro said jose A Brady on their team
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  Speaker 4: for a year and a half that didn't work out
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  Speaker 4: near as well as the hobby buys. It seems like
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  Speaker 4: hobbies that they've at least got Hobby to a place
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  Speaker 4: where like he can contribute some value like he does
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  Speaker 4: things other than hit, Like he can play def Like
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  Speaker 4: he's he's still a really good short He's still grades
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  Speaker 4: out excellent shortstop right, Like, even though he's in center.
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  Speaker 5: Fish he's been slightly negative, is still very good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, like the thing with jose Brady, Like JOSEA. Brady
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  Speaker 4: was signed to hit and he couldn't do that, and
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  Speaker 4: so once that he couldn't do that, they released him
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  Speaker 4: with a year and a half and almost thirty million
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  Speaker 4: dollars left on his deal. So but yeah, like I
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  Speaker 4: think it is and that speaks well to AJ Hinch
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  Speaker 4: to finding ways to extract value out of a player
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  Speaker 4: that is very clearly not the player that they signed.
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  Speaker 4: Is very clearly not. This has not gone the way
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  Speaker 4: that they envisioned. But it's a credit to AJ for
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  Speaker 4: like keeping Like I presume Hobby is not a clubhouse cancer.
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  Speaker 4: I presume he's a positive at least somewhat of a
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  Speaker 4: positive influence like that. That takes a lot, and it
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  Speaker 4: takes a lot to keep a guy like that engaged.
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  Speaker 4: A guy that could because again he's got one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and eight million dollars in his back pocket, he could
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  Speaker 4: very easily just disengage and not want to be a
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  Speaker 4: part of anything. And that's a credit to him, it's
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  Speaker 4: credit to Aj, and it's a credit to a lot
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  Speaker 4: of different people for finding ways that he can contribute
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  Speaker 4: even if he's not the Hobby bayas of four or
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  Speaker 4: five years ago.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and we're going to talk about Aj Hinch a
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  Speaker 5: little more in a minute, but I want to go back.
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  Speaker 5: Did you say there was thirty plus million dollars on
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  Speaker 5: a braviws contract.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so he signed. It was three years, fifty eight
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  Speaker 4: and a half million dollars and he got released about
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  Speaker 4: two months in the second year of the deal.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, right about, there's still seventy three million on
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  Speaker 5: the hobby deal. But there's a picture a pitcher in
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  Speaker 5: Kintamaida only making ten million and who's pitching about once
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  Speaker 5: a week right now that the Tigers are clinging on too.
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  Speaker 5: So there is some precedent we talked about. There's not
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  Speaker 5: a lot of precedent for teams eating money. But if
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  Speaker 5: you want an example, Jose Brave is a pretty good one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that did not That did not go well. They're
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  Speaker 4: paying right now. They are paying hose A brad nineteen
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  Speaker 4: and a half million dollars not to play first base,
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  Speaker 4: and they are paying Christian Walker twenty million dollars to
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: play first base. You like to guess Christian Walker's ops.
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  Speaker 5: At the moment, I got eighty.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, try six hundred. He's a six hundred ops. He's
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  Speaker 4: hitting He's hitting one to eighty nine with thirty four
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  Speaker 4: strikeouts to clean up and they played twenty seven games
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  Speaker 4: to clean up in about twenty of them. So they've
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: got a lot of money and a lot of first
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: basemen that aren't doing anything for them.
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: I definitely didn't want the Tiger's saying Christian Locker couldn't
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: have been me.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know, came on it all off season, leading
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: into the off season, just didn't have.
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: Why would you do that when you have Spencer? That's what.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Big, big Torque guy Cody Well.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: The another connection that these two teams have is and
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: we briefly mentioned him in regards to the moves around
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: the Bregmann decision, and that was Isach Predes, who was
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: a very well liked prospect in the Tigers system coming up,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: and you say it was like rushed a little bit
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: there at the end. He makes his debut in the
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: covid year, and he's a guy that at the time
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: was kind of like without a position, you know, like
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: we were having conversations Chandler, It's like you mentioned him
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: at second base, Like we were having conversations about ajhnschbing,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: like why can't you play second base? Until he shows
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: us that he can't play second base, you know, all
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: of us kind of knowing at the time that that
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily the most realistic thing. He goes in a
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two trade to Tampa Bay for Austin Meadows,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and that obviously did not work out for the Tigers
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: for mainly off the field reasons. With Austin he went
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: through his mental health situation there by all Kouscody correctman
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: from wrong. Seems like he's doing well, so that's great.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: But the trade, the baseball trade, was a lopsided one
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: in favor of the Rays. And now a couple stops later,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: Esak is now a member of the Astros. So what's
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the Estach Pardes experience like right now?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Chandler, Well, it's it's important.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: The Ashers have been trying to get Estoc Paratus on
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: their team for about a year now. They were after
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: him very hard at the trade deadline last year when
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: he ended up going from the Rays to the Cubs.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: They tried very hard to get him, like he would
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: have played first base in that situation because Asher still
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: had Alex Bregman, because they Brady was on the beach somewhere,
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: so Eastock Paradas would have played first. But the reason
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: they want him is pretty obvious. He pulls the ball
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: more than any qualified hitter in baseball. The Astros have
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: a very short porch in left field at Dykin Park,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: the Crawford boxes, and Estock Paradus is going to hit
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of home runs into there. I think he's
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: at four home runs this season and every single one
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: of them has been pulled into the Crawford boxes. He
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: is perfect for the ballpark. But beyond that, there's two
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: other things. There's one main other thing that they wanted
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: him for, and you guys saw it watching him play there.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: He takes one hell of it at batman like these
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: so many pitches. His strike zone judgment is so good.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: The fact that and that's one thing the Ashers didn't
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: have last year, Like they saw the fewest pitches per
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: played appearance of any team in baseball last year, they
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: chased more than any team in baseball, They swung more
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: than any team in baseball last year. So they went
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: into this offseason and they wanted like him and Christian
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Walker fits into that category.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Two.
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: He's not near as prolific, added as Paradus, but both
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: of them see a lot of pitches. Both of them
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: don't strike out a ton, both of them have great
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: strike zone judgments, swing at ball, swing at strikes on,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: swing at ball, things like that. So that's what they
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: really really covet in nisak Paradis, And I mean we
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: saw it in the first the first series against the Mets,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: three game series, he saw sixty five pitches and twelve
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: plate appearances, and everyone in the Ashers clubhouse was just
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: like mouth agape, like I I can't watch that. I
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: was like, yeah, me neither, because I watched you guys
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: play last year and it was if you guys saw
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: sixty five pitches in like seven innings, it was a lot.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: And he saw sixty five pitches and twelve plate appearances.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: The interesting thing is he's been better at third base
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: than I thought he would be. Like, he's not, He's
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: not Bregmant Obviously, no one's bregmant like he's he's not
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: going to be that, he's not going to win a
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Gold Glove. But Tony Paris Chica, who is the Asher's
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: new third base coach. You used to be with the
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: d Backs for a while. He's our new infield instructor.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: He's really worked with Paradus on. Listening to him talk,
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: it sounds like, and I haven't gone back and dissected
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: all of EASTCC paratuses in field videos, but it sounds
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: like in the past when he would go for balls,
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: his arms would kind of be out like there would
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: be a lot of like extraneous movements, like unneeded movement,
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: and it would limit his range. And they've got him
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: now compact as he takes his first step, and the
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: range is better. Like, look, it's not great estoc Paradus
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: is not. Range is not the first thing I would
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: say when I start talking about him. But it's been
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: better than I thought. It's pleasantly surprised a lot of
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: people all around. Honestly, he has been a pleasant They
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: knew what they were getting in him, but I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: he's exceeded a lot of their expectations. With some of
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: the stuff that maybe they thought he would, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: fall short of or subs to do some work on.
• 20:50
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  Speaker 5: All right, I just pulled up hold on, I just
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: pulled up Eastside Paratus spray shart from twenty twenty and
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty one. Sometimes you wonder, like, did the Tigers
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: give up on him a little too soon? I mean,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: obviously the trade for Meadows kind of made sense. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: think I'm a different timeline. If the front office wasn't
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: under pressure, if Alavila wasn't under pressure to keep his job,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: they probably don't make that move. But that's the circumstance
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: was Anyway, he had two home runs and like one
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: hundred and thirty nine plate appearances. You just put at
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: the overlay on on Dyke in Park and he would
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: have had like seven. So everything maybe could have been
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: different if you weren't playing in America. But remember there,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: does he just have warning trek power? Like is he's
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: just not strong enough. He's not the right ballpark.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Alex pregnant Pregnant Alex Bregman agrees.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: Alex Bregman loves Comerica.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Parks himself playing there. You know, absolutely, I.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Think it's super great.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: All right, So when we were talking about like what
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: we were going to talk about on this episode prior
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to you know, pressing record, and Chandler said, well, let's
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: talk about the team's difference. And I immediately had an
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: anecdote from when I was at the Wildcard Series last
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: year and and it'll be quick a couple of minutes,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: but I was in the concess not the concession, the
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: gift shop, trying to get some souvenirs ones behind me
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: that hat right there for the Wildcard Series. And there's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: this kid. Se mind, these are day games. This guy
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: is missing school. This kid comes up to me, he's
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: probably like twelve years old, and he's like, you know
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you're gonna lose, right. I was like, I'm obviously not
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: gonna like get like a smack tot, you know, staying
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: with like a twelve year old. But like I was like,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, you think so He's like, yeah, all you
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: guys got his school bull he went yesterday, so you
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: got nothing. I was like, all right, well, you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. You know that confidence, Oh yeah,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: very confidents, Like right, well, we'll see what happens. You know,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: went on my merry way. Well, the difference is that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: kid cannot say that now because the Tigers starting rotation,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the whole pitching chaos thing is not a thing right now.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: The Tigers starting rotation leaves the American League in ERA
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: with a cool two point eight to nine. So the
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: difference is that the Astros are not gonna see one
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Trek Schooble, But there is no reprieve in the Tigers
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: starting rotation as currently constructed with with Flarity and Job
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: and Mize and Resulson like that, you're up against it
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: every single time you come against the Cup against the Tigers.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Whereas last year you just kind of, you know, the
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: chaos thing was something you had to deal with. Now
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: you gotta deal with like a top notche rotation, one
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: of the best in baseball, if not the best.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Tigers are the only team right now with four
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: starters with sub three eras. The Astros are gonna dodge
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: schooball who pitched Sunday and was pretty dominant, but they'll
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: see Jack Flaherty, they'll see Resulson, And if you're an
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Astros fan, I think it's gonna be fun to watch
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: Jackson Job whether you win or lose. Job's got some
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: pretty electric stuff. One of those guys just worth buying
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: the ticket to go watch.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: And the lineup that they face has the fifth lowest
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: ops in baseball. If there's one thing that is just
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: frustrating the ever living hell out of Astros fans and
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: said that they can't hit right now, they're it's it's
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: been a tough watch for their life. And the interesting
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: thing is via bats look so much better like everything
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: we just talked about about, how they chased too much
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: last year, they swung too much, they they didn't see
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: a lot of pitches like they have improved in all
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: of those areas, Like if you watch them, like if
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: you watch them day in and day out, they're at
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: bats are a lot better. They're just not getting results
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: or not getting any production. They entered today as one
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: of three teams without twenty home runs and hit already.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Jordan Alvarez did hit a home run today to give
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: them twenty in their twenty seventh game of the year.
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: They Christian Walker, as we just talked about, has not
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: been good. Yaner Diaz has a four ninety nine ops
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: at the moment, that is not a typo foe ops.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: Jordon Alvarez has been. It's been a slow start for him,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: but part of that is because he's had Christian Walker
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: and Yinar Diaz hitting behind him most of the time,
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: and no one's gonna give Jordon Alvarez any pitches to
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: hit with those two guys scuffling behind him. So it's
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: it's one. It's gonna be one of these things where
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: like they are running up the Tigers are running up
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: against the lineup you want to run up against. Because
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: right now they are all out of sorts. It's been
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: tough to watch. But the thing that they do do
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: they put the ball in play. They're not going to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: strike out a bunch, and they are running the bases
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: a lot more aggressively now. Part of it is because
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I think they understand that runs are more difficult to
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: come by. So you're seeing a lot more first to thirds,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: you're seeing a lot more, you know, second to home
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: on singles, you're seeing a lot more just kind of
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: pushing the envelope just to create runs because right now
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: they're not hitting the battle of the ballpark, they're not
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: hitting doubles, they're not slugging. This is a tough matchup
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: for the Astros because this is if one thing has
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: held them back all year, it's been this line.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Still scouring a plus eleven run differential, which you know
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: is there's not as many teams in the American League
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that are in the green there as you would think.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: The Tigers currently are plus forty two with their eighteen
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to ten record, But like they're you know, the Astros
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: are you get the most up to date, they are
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a half game back of the Rangers, who are by
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the way lost in a crazy way today in case
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: anybody didn't see that, or minus fifteen run differential, So
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: like they gotta be doing something right, Chandler. Like they
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they're like the Ald Manufacturer. We've heard this stuff a lot,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Cody and I over the years. The whole manufacturer runs
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: thing and runs are out of premium. The Tigers are
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: still doing all those things. It just they they hit
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the ball better too. But like they must be doing
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: something right with with the record that and where they're
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: sitting and run differential.
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, they have an outlier game and they beat
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: the Angels fourteen to three in a game earlier. This
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: so that that's the outlier game that they have. They
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: The thing is they're pitching it so well that they're
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: never gonna get blown out. There's not going to be
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: a boat race game that they are the losers of
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: because they have the fourth lowest era in baseball right now.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: They're starting pitching has been very, very good. Their bullpen
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Josh Hater has been maybe the best reliever in baseball,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: if not the best, the second best. They're pitching it
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: so well that they're staying in all these close games.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: It's just they're not scoring a ton of runs and
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: they're not giving a ton of support. I am sad
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: that the Tigers are going to miss both from Er
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Valdez and Hunter Brown. I can't extract another Hunter Brown
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Detroit story. I've already done that four different times of
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: him pitching it either against the Tigers at America Park
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: something like that. But I don't know if Detroit people
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: know this, but Hunter Brown is like low key, like
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: the best pitcher in baseball.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, talk about Hunter Brown because again, like we like,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this is not something even Cody and I bring up
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: just like as.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: A I think, is he still spinning his off seasons
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: in Detroit.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's he's robe current members of the Detroit
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: Tigers do that. The best player who spends their offseason
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: in Detroit is a member of the Houston as.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he spends his off seasons in Detroit because he
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: trains at two sp in downtown Detroit, where I think
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: a lot of you know, ballplayers trained. But like he
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: and his trainer have this great partnership that they didn't
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: want to break. But yeah, he is. He has completely
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: revolutionized his career. He actually pitched at Kaufman Stadium today
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: and it was there last year in April where he
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: gave up nine hits and nine runs and eleven hits
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: and two thirds of an inning last year Atkaufman say it's,
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: if not the worst start in Major League Baseball history,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: it's top five. The Astros were like, had plans to
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: demote him to the minor leagues like the next week,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: and I think there was an injury or something. So
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: he stayed on the roster, made another start, and then
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: on May fifth, he started throwing a sinker. The sinker
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: is not a very good pitch, but it was something
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: he needed to crowd in on right handed hit hitters.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: To stop right handed hitters from diving out and getting
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: everything over the over the plate. And since he's added
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: that sinker on May fifth, he has the lowest ERA
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: of any starting pitcher in baseball. And that's lower than
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: Trek Schooble, It's lowered than Max Freed, it's lower than Chrissale.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: Like he has now put together two hundred innings worth
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: of league leading ERA ball. And to watch him blossom,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: to watch the confidence Scrow has been has been something
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: he's throwing. He is sitting ninety seven now and throwing
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: ninety nine like with regularity, Like he threw his change up,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: like he barely throws his change up. There's change up
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: like fifteen times saying, got five strikeouts on it. The
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: sinker has gotten better. The sinker is now magically ninety
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: seven like he is. He is becoming like appointment television,
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: like you like you figure out on the schedule. It's
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: kind of like Scooble, like you figure out on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: schedule win Schoobl's pitching or Win Brown's pitching, and you
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: set aside kind of your day because you want to
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: watch them pitch.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: He's incredible. It's been really cool. To watch him because
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've covered him from day one, so it's cool.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: It's been cool to watch him kind of blossom and
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: become what he's become. He went in He was a
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: fifth round pick in twenty nineteen out of Wayne State,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: and I was just curious, like, did the Tigers like
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: pass on him? Did the Tigers like did that draft
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: like not work out for the Tigers? Could they have
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: gotten Hunter Brown at some point? I mean, I'm looking
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: at it now. They drafted Riley Green, Ryan Kreidler, and
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Bo Briskey in that draft and Carry Carpenter, so they
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: did something right in that draft, but Hunter Brown was there.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: If they won.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Those were different times, Chandler.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, I mean it took the Astro as a
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: team that you know was usually very good at drafting.
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, he slipped to the fifth round. And the
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: scout that actually found him his signing scout, Hunter Brown
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: was his first draft pick ever signed and the only
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: reason he found him is he was at a D
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: two tournament where Wayne State was. He was leaving the
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: tournament and overheard some veteran scouts mentioned Hunter Brown's name
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: and say, oh, like, I've heard this kid's pretty good
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: so and decided to stick around saw Hunter Brown and
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: the rest, as they say, is history.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Game is full of stories like that. You know, school
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: has got a couple examples of you know, the high
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: school to college recruitment stories. He told this on on
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: our episode. You can go listen to that or watch
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: it on YouTube on our fee when Tik Schooble joined
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: us this offseason. Uh, we've kind of done a disservice here, guys.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: This really is the AJ Hinch episode and we barely
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: mentioned him, like, like and we know what's up, AJ,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: friend of the podcast, but like he is obviously explicitly
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: tied to both franchises currently in past. But I was
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: curious Chandler leading into this series. This is a first
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: because we've all we've done all the the AJ returns
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to Houston, how you know, like all those stories have
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: been written, but the angle that has not been written
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't exist until now is now AJ's coming
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: into town with a indisputably better baseball team. Like, I
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: know they won the playoff series last year, but going
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: in that anecdote that I just shared, no one really
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: thought the Tigers were the better baseball team. And now
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Houston's going through their stuff again. Still good, but the
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Tigers are hot. They just come off a ten to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: two home stand, Like Cody said earlier, they have the
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: best record in the American League. And so now I'm
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a little curious. I'm a little curious if it's gonna
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: be as friendly for AJ now that he's like a
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: legitimate threat. Because the analogy I'll draw here is everybody
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: still loved Matthew Stafford and Detroit, like the first time
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: they played. Now it wasn't in Detroit, was in LA.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Everybody rooted from the super Bowl. The second the Lions
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: got good and there were stakes, all of a sudden,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, f that guy, Like he's
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: actually the enemy. So not in apples to apples comparison,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, this is a unique thing
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: in the post nine stealing scandal, whatever you want to
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: call it, aspect of AJ Hinch's career going back.
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: To Houston, I think it'd be different if AJ like
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: left on his own accord, or if AJ like decided
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: like for whatever reason, like, hey, like I'd like to
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: manage Tigers over the Astros, Like I want to make
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: this conscious decision to leave this budding dynasty and.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: It was not a conscious decision.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: And go manage the Tigers. I think when you start
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: talking about the scandal and just sign sailing, like a
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: lot of fans here still feel like the Astros were
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: made examples of that. It was like, I think we're
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: past the point of people trying to say they did
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: nothing wrong. I think people acknowledge that the Astros did
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: things wrong, like that they broke not even break the law,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: but they broke the rules. I think what people are
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: more upset about, especially seeing how things have gone since,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: like having questions about leadership, like in the front office.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Now it's like, man, you fire like the best GM
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: and maybe the city's history maybe one of the better GMS,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: like from a strictly on field standpoint, one of the
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: better GMS in baseball history for something that like you
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: made an example of same thing with AJ Hinch. That's
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: not to say that Dusty Baker or Joe Aspata has
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: done a poor job managing like I think both of
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: them did very very well here, but it'd be different
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: if it was something where like AJ left on his own.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: I still think there's there's some sympathy when AJ comes
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: to town because a lot of people wonder what could
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: have been? Or what if? Or like what if Mike
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: fires never opens his mouth?
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: What if?
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: You know that that's more of the thought other than
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: like AJ is this trader ag is coming in to
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: like our and our dynasty things like that. You know,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: I think it's interesting too that like AJ is bringing
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: a team in here that like doesn't have the payroll
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: that the Astros have, like don't have the superstars, don't
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: have the names that the Astros have. So inherently like
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: AJ is bringing this team in here, and you can
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: viscerally like see the work that a manager and a
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: coaching staff have done on this team to make them good,
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: like the matchups, like you can see like look like
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Joe A. Spota is a very good manager, good tactician,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: but he's not calling a ton of hit and runs.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: He's not calling it to lay it down a bunch
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: of sacrifice bunts, Like he's not playing a ton of matchups.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Because you know what, if you get if you got
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: from er Valdez on the mound or Hunter Brown on
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: the mountain, you don't have to do much managing. And
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: then you get to the seventh inning and it's like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: all right, give the ball to Brian A. Brady and
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Josh Hater, like any team in baseball would do if
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: JOSEL two is up in a big spot or Jordan
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Alvarez or you know these guys that they have, Like
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: there's not a ton of like real difficult like tactician
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: and Joe's gonna. I hope Joe doesn't listen to this
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: and think I'm demeeting him. But like you, AJ is
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: working with less commesurate wise than maybe track record wise
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: than Joe is, so like or Dusty did before prior
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: to Joe. So you are seeing a team that's coming
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: in like with AJ's fingerprints all over it. And I
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: think that to me would irritate me a little more
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: just because like, man like we had this, Like we
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: had this guy that like is very clearly, if not
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: one of the better in game managers in baseball, you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: top three or four, like had this guy, and he left.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: It was out of our control that he left. So
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's not animosity, and there's not, and
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: there really was an animosity last year in the Wildcard
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Series when they won, Like I think you saw like
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: he got applauded like both games, like they didn't boo
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: him like, and that's the case when all the anybody
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: from the seventeen team comes back here, like, they don't
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: get booed at all. So I don't think it's gonna
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: be that big of a change of ideology. But again, like,
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: who knows if they get to the If they get
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: to Wednesday and they've beaten the crap out of him
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: for two and a half games and AJ goes out
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: to make a pitching change on Wednesday, who knows he
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: could hear some he could hear some heckles.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: I'll never forget in the uber to the airport in
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: Houston after the wild Card Series last year, just hearing
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: talk radio, just like melting, like why is Aj Hinchham
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: managing the Astros? Alex Gore is still managing the Red Sox.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: And you know, there's a part of AJ who probably
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: every time he steps foot in that building has to think,
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: what if, you know, what if we didn't break the rules,
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: or what if I wasn't the guy who kind of
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: had to take a symbolic fall, or however you want
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: to phrase it, how many pennants could we have won?
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Would I be going to Cooperstown and studies had to
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: take a very altered trajectory, a much longer path. I've
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: said a million times I always I think post suspension,
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: AJ viewed it as important to almost do it the
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: hard way, right, and that's definitely what he has done,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: and I think it was validating for him. He would
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: never admit it, but I think it was validating for
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: him to beat the Astros. And I think it's validating
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: for him now to roll into town with a team
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: that looks to be legitimately good, and it is a
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: team built in his image a little bit, a team
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: that's improved steadily over the years. They're not gonna bunt
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: or hit and run, that's not AJ style, but they
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: play the matchups. He still manages the crap out of
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: every single game. And I used to think AJ didn't
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: like going back to Houston. We're hearing the questions, like
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: getting asked about the scandal or getting asked just what's
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: it like to be back in you know, minute made
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: slash jac in Park. I think that's gonna be different
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: now because I think he can have a little more pride,
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: you know, stick his chest out a little bit more
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: and I think he's almost gonna be welcoming that it's
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be a little bit of a humble brag
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: for AJ to go in there with a team that
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: he has kind of helped build over the last four
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: to five years and now appears to be to be legit.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, didn't he say something the other day? Didn't he
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: get asked about like winning a big series or beating
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: like a big opponent. Then he like turned the question
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: on the and say like, why don't other teams.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Get out when it like to beat us?
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Like, I think that's the tone he'll probably take here.
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, I don't think he'll ever be
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: like I don't think he'll ever be like mean spirited
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: But he here and.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: Say like, I mean, we beat these guys on the
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: biggest stage, like we don't we don't into talk about
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: like how gratifying it is for me to be back here,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Like I mean this is just old hat now, Like
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: and I mean I think AJ, like, I mean, obviously
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: you know Cody, like he still has roots here, like
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I believe he saw has a house in the Woodlands,
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: Like I mean, still one of his daughters may still
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: be in school here. I'm not sure where they're at
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: and trajectory wise, but like that he still has roots here,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: and I think that may enter his mind to with like, man,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have had to uproot my family. We could
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: have really settled down here, We could have really like
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: made Houston called Houston our forever home. And now that's
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: not the case. And I wonder how much it's more
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: maybe of a personal like family thing than maybe more
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: like on field, because like I think we have to remember,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: like baseball players in general are wired to be like
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: transient people, to be like you don't stay like unless
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: your Josel Tuv or Miguel Cabrera, Like you don't stay
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: in one place for forever, like you just you move
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: you you it's the business of the sport. It's the
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: business of baseball. So he had that rare opportunity to
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: maybe have that here, to have a place where he
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: could have been entrenched as you know, a legend, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: you know, for right or wrong, he always will be
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: like the World Series title is, they're not taking it away,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: like they still have the trophy, they still have the rings,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: it's still in the record books, like he won the
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: first World Series title for the Houston Astros. He managed
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: the Houston Ashers first World Series UH title winning team,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Like his legacy is secure here. Now there's a lot
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: of layers and nuance to it once you start talking
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: about it, but his legacy in Houston is cemented, and
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: I think he can come and know that on top
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: of how having this team to come in here and
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: you know this is a better team, Like they are
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: coming in here as the favorites, and I don't think
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: that's something we thought we would say maybe this soon
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: in AJ's tenure.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: And part of the story too in terms of what
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: could have been, is the Chicago White Sox piece of it,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Like that was that was the that was the team
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: to to manage at the time, and then they went
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: in a different direction.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: He ends up talking about alternate timelines.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: And look where the franchises are now compared to then.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Obviously Houston has continued to have success. But I did
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: want to pick your brain a little bit here as
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: we uh, as we're about forty minutes into this podcast,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Chandler is that obviously a lot of moves in the
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: offseason that the Astros made, some with short term gain,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: some with long term gain in mind? What about from
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Berg Valdez, Like, this is a guy that's let's see,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I got it in front of me.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: He is, he's.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: About to turn he'll turn thirty two this year. He's
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: in the last year of his contract. He's been we
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: talked about a Hunter Brown, he's been you know, supplanted
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: as the ace of the team. Is there. What are
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the conversations around him right now, both externally and internally.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's gonna follow the same path that every
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: one of these other homegrown guys did. They're gonna let
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: him play out and then he's gonna go into free
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: agency and he there's a very very very very very
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: high likelihood who will be playing somewhere other than Houston
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: next season just because that's this, This is how the
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Ashers operate. They don't they don't go into the realm
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: of numbers and years and dollars that Fromber will want.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: As you know, you look at the max free deal.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: I don't think he gets I don't think he reaches
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: that number. But he's right there. I mean, you talk
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: about left handed starting pitching, like he's gonna be the
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: best left handed started pitcher on the market next year,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: he's going to be. If not, I mean he'll be
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: in the top three or four free agent starters available.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: You know, they considered, they they listened on him this
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: past winter along with trading Kyle Tucker. They however, the
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: reason they didn't trade fromber this winter is because they
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: didn't believe. And you can look it up. This guy
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: has thrown. He hadn't thrown two hundred innings every year,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: but he's thrown at least one ninety ninety five every
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: year he's been a full time start. This is the
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: epitome of a durable workhorse like throws posts. And they
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: did not believe that they could replicate that volume of
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: innings with what they had early. So that's why they
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: that's why they opted to trade Kyle Tucker over frombervel does.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: But they listened on fromber both last winter and the
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: winter before. If they are somehow completely out of contention
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: at the trade deadline, which I don't envision just given
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: how weak the American League is, he automatically becomes an
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: ideal trade target for anyone if they're if they make
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: him available at the deadline, But they they're not going
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: to do that unless they are completely out of it.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: The time to trade him if they wanted to recoup
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: any value, if they wanted to get value from him
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: before the time to trade him was his past winter,
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: and they decided not to. So you know, they'll stick
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: it out with him. He can be enigmatic at times.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: He's very much a you know, he's done a lot
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: of work with a sports psychiatrist to really get the
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: mental side of things squared away with him, and sometimes
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: it's still a struggle for him. Sometimes you'll see him,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: you know, bark at umpires. You'll see him react to
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: an error behind him or a soft hit, or he's
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: notoriously bad at fielding his position, so a lot of
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: things can kind of snowball on him. But he's found
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: a way to get his breathing right regularly his breathing,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: settle himself and become like a true workhorse. And you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: if not for Hunter Brown, the ace of this team.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: So you know, who knows if the Tigers need a
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: starter at the deadline and the Astros are fifteen under
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: five hundred, tell Scott Harris called Dana Brown because the
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: best rental guy available.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, in a weird way, I think the Fromber situation
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: could be a little bit of a roadmap or depending
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: on how it ends up, a cautionary tail for what
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: the Tigers are soon going to face with Trek Scoogle
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: schools maybe even a tier above fromber But you have
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: a premier left handed starter on a good team, So
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: what do you do? You know, Schoobl's hard to trade,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: but the better if he continues to pitch this, well,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: he's only going to be harder to re sign. Chandler,
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: I feel like you've kind of been on the front
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: end for a while saying like the Astors might have
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: to trade fromber and they didn't do it, but like
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: you said, they did. Listen, no one wants to hear
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: that the Tigers might have to trade Schooble. But like,
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: especially as we head into this, you know next offseason,
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: it's it's just going to be a hard reality they
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: might have to face. And if the Asters let fromber
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Walk and give them the qualifying off or whatever, I mean,
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: that maybe well be how things end with schoobl in Detroit.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: But there's a little bit of a parallel there too, even.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I'd say it's more of a parallel with Hunter Brown
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: at the moment because Hunter Brown and Trek Scuble have
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: one thing in common their representation. So Hunter Brown hired
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Scott Boris this winter. You know what that means. So
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: there will be no extension unless they are blown out
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: of the water with an offer. So I think the
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: parallel there is more kind of brown like, especially where
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: they're like, how many more r years does Scooble.
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: Have Is he's under team control for two more seasons
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: or so, right this year and next year.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: So Hunter's got Hunters one year back, so he's got
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: this year and then two more years. So I think
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: that's the more apt parallel is because you know there's
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: already fans that are fretting about you know, they're not
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: gonna be able to extend them, and I think they've
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: accepted that with just given how the astros operate and
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: the Boris factor. So I think it'd be really stupid
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: to trade Trek Schouble, just like I think it'd be
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: really stupid to trade Hunter Brown. But or I mean,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I was on board with them trading from er Valdez
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: this past winter because like again, like I thought they
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: had enough starting pitching depth that they could have done
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: what they deem that they thought they couldn't do, which
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: was like get the volume of innings. Instead, they traded
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: the best player on their team. And they wonder why
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: they have the fifth lowest ops in baseball, because when
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: you trade the best player on your team, uh, that
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: tends to happen. So yeah, I think.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: So.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Have they even tried to extend school, like I mean,
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: aside from like just doing the the doing the.
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: Cursory just yeah, hard to say how much, how much
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: of a serious effort it was. I think I think
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: every negotiation has to start somewhere. I don't think there's
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: been like a full court press to bring him back.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: And Scott Harris isn't done either, like he he he
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: knows the situation too so and and the Ashers do too,
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: like the Ashers had a chance and what the Ashlers
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: will kick themselves for. Hunter Brown was very, very very
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: interested in the extension last spring, not this past spring.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Last spring when he had a four to six ERA
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: and two and a half big league seasons, to the
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: point where he switched representation to not Scott Woars, another
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: agency midway through spring training in hopes that an extension
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: could get done. It never got done. Now we are
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: where we are so they they really they had a
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: golden opportunity to lock in Hunter Brown before he became
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: real Hunter Brown, and that's something that I think they
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: will regret for a long time because the way this
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: thing is going. I'm not saying that they're going downhill,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: and I'm not saying the window is slamming shut, but
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: it's not the same super team it was, and the
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: payroll is not. I mean, Jim Crane spends money, but
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: certainly not in the ways that it would take to
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: retain him, to retain Kyle Tucker, to retain fromer Valdez.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: So and they have the worst, if not the worst
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: farm system in baseball bottom three, so they have nothing
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: coming either to help replenish and be sustainable the s word,
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: in a cost controlled manner. So they may have no
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: choice at some point, but they're going to kick themselves
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: for for not getting Hunter Brown extended, you know, two
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: years ago, when he was really ready, willing and able
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: to do it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: The school, the school bul aspect of it is one
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: that you know, we kind of feels bad, right wrong
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: to talk about it today when he still lights out,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: but it is something that does hangover Tigers fans heads
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit because this iteration of ownership and front
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: office ship. I know, I at the word up UH
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't really have a history of of dolling out payroll
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: skyrocketing contracts. Like the one major extension that Scott Harris
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: has done was with Colt Keith, who puts him it
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: was like, what thirty something million over eight years, Cody
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: It was only twenty eight. Yeah, it's like Chandler's point here,
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: it doesn't matter, Like this is a whole other thing
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: that we'll probably talk about all next winter. But like
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: they could offer him two billion dollars, Scott Boris might
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: still say, I want to take this to free Agency's
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: see if the Yankees will beat it, you.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Know, right.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: The only sort of a Boris thing than the Tigers.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: The only way that Trek School or Hunter Brown are
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: signing extensions are if their respective teams make them the
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: sort of offer that like just blows away any possible
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: thing that they could get in free agency, like at all.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: And still even then Scott would probably Scott Boris would
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: probably tell them, would probably advise them anyway to wait
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: for the open market. When you have thirty teams that
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: can bid on you. Now, anytime we talk about this,
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: I do have to have this caveat we talk about
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: Scott Borris not liking pre orb extensions, not liking pre
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: free agency extensions. The Astros do employ two players that
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: have signed two signed two of them. Lance mccolors signed
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: one of them pre free agency extensions while being represented
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: by Scott Boris, So it has happened before, like it
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: can happen. But the through line in those two was
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: at Lance and Altuve instructed Scott Boris like, I don't
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: want to play anywhere else. I want to be here,
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: and Scott at the end of the day, he does
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: do what his clients ask him to do, so he
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: got those extensions worked out. So I guess for Tigers
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: fans you can feel heartened it can't happen. Like if
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Trek Scoogle goes to Scott Boris and says, I don't
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: want to play anywhere else but Detroit, make it work,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: that can happen. Same thing with Hunter Brown here. But
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: I get the feeling that's not how it's going to
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: turn out.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: So just create a budding dynasty. It might be your
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: best chance.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's all it takes. All right, anything else
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: that we need to hit on? Did we miss anything?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Guys?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I felt like we were pretty thorough here almost an
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: hour in.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Does col Keith still play first base?
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: So the short answer much time do we have here?
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Short answer on that is cold Keith is more position
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: less than having a position. Uh, he actually hasn't played
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: like what four games? Is it that it? Cody starts
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: at first base? Specsen realized first baseman again, Baby realized
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: he was a one one and he had a good
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: defensive weekend. I thought Cody was some you know, some
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: tough plays.
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: And almost more impressive than his offense. Like defense is
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: just less of a fluid thing. You don't just wake
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: up and go from being a negative defender to a
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: positive defender. I feel like that's what Turklesen has done.
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: He's looked really good at first. To go back to
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: the cold Keith question, Colts, it was the beneficiary of
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: the Tigers signing Glabor Tores and theory moving on from
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: from uh Spencer Toklesen. Now he's really the one wearing
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: the Spencer Torklesen reclamation because they're paying Labor to play second.
• 53:56
  Speaker 5: Glabor's playing well.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Labor does not want to play third, will not play third.
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: That hasn't actually come up with the Tigers, but that
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: was a storyline. And in his free agency, Colt is
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: not gonna play first. He's not gonna play second. I
• 54:10
  Speaker 5: mean he's gonna mix in at those two positions. He
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: can dh some, but carry Carpenter's dhing some. He just
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: had a scare with his hamstring, so he's been dhing
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: a little bit more. Uh, And he just hasn't been
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: that productive, although I think we're starting to see some
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: signs he's been pulling the ball a little bit more.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: It's still not like big picture worried about Colt Keith,
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: but now it's almost a matter of just like how
• 54:32
  Speaker 5: do you get him at bats? It's become a kind
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: of a strange situation.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: He's getting squeezed out a little bit.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: That yeah, and then what and then which one of
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: these anonymous relievers I've never heard of is the closer?
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: What is a closer?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: The closer like like a door, like what you know what?
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: You know what? I thought today the Yankees officially like
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: demoted Devin Williams from the closer. I was like, maybe
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: this is just more aj Hinch brilliance. You never have
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: to revoke the closer role from someone if you just
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: don't say it officially. Tommy Cainley seems to be the
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: guy getting the most ninth inning reps right now. With
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: a little bit of will Vest mixed in.
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: There is Cainley still throwing like change ups every.
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: A lot of change ups. He he hasn't thrown fifty
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: six in a row yet. He does have a fastball,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: He's used it a little bit. But the guy throws
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: a lot of change ups.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: You know, you could have had like a World Series
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: winning closer with the Detroit Tigers if he would have
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: said if he would have said yes. It's always something
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: about former twenty seventeen and twenty twenty two Astros saying
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: no to the Detroit Tigers a complete uh, a testament
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: of their off season. Ryan Prestler good good reliever, good
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: reliever for the Chicago Cups.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that storyline, man, That seems like
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: a million years ago.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: Somehow, the Tigers have constructed a really good bulke in
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: with some guys that no one outside of Detroit knows.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a full faith thing from the fans.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: Anything pitching related that that the coaching staff and the
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: front office does they They seem not. They do have
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: missus Cody mentioned earlier, Kent and Maida, uh, but it
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: it's not about one thousand. But when it comes to
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: bullpen guys especially, no one gives any sort of pushback,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: like at all. And of course, of course with AJ,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: like anything AJ does is like he'll say something, but
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: then his actions are like actually the kind of contradictory
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: to what the statement is. So it's like, who's the closer?
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in closers. And meanwhile, like last year,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: like Jason Foley got every single closing opportunity the first
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: like two months of the year, right, So like that's
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: that's one of my favorite ajasm, Like, oh, I don't
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: think that way, and then he just literally manages that way.
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: I will say, I'm excited to see Casey meyes pitch,
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: just given like everything he has been through, and yeah,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: it's it'd be fun to watch him because liked even
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: make the wildcard, he was even on the playoffs.
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: He was on the wildcard roster but didn't pitch, and
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: then he was the DS roster. If I'm remembering that correctly,
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: there was the other way around.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: What a comeback?
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: Uh, he's looked legit, legit. If his splitter keeps working,
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: He's going to have a terrific season.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: I'm excited to watch it.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: All right, Chandler.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: For the Tiger Territory listeners, where can they? Where can
• 57:23
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• 57:25
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• 57:29
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• 57:41
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• 57:45
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• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Wait, I have one more question. Have the Tigers. Have
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: the Tigers turn the corner.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: They they had turned the corner they made the playoffs.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: I think making the playoffs counts.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: And they officially turned the corner and so we had
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: to come up with a new gimmick. And now they
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: are just territory. So glad, glad, glads have made that
• 58:22
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• 58:23
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• 58:25
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• 58:29
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• 58:35
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• 58:41
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• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Day, all right?
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: You guys ever watched those MCU movies based on the
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: gross numbers? I guess you have.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: There's always those post credit scenes.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: We got like we got we got a little post
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: credit podcast portion. We got Austin Jackson here fresh from
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: the the youth baseball feels as as he is prone
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: to beat h and doing double duty coaching, watching the Tigers,
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: and well now triples be talking about it on a podcast,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: so uh, I hope you guys enjoyed.
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: No no, no, hold on, hold on, Austin, you played major
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: league baseball. What's it like teaching an eight year old
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: to play baseball? And how do you bounce?
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Like all you know?
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: First? Like what they can understand?
• 59:25
  Speaker 7: Bro, It's the hardest thing I've ever had to do.
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: Like I'm like I told you earlier, Like I'm getting
• 59:31
  Speaker 7: grades every day, Like I see a new grade popping
• 59:35
  Speaker 7: up in the screen right now. I'm like, I didn't
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: even have that till today. But it's just it's it's fun.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Because you you see them developing.
• 59:44
  Speaker 7: But at the same time, it's like so many things
• 59:47
  Speaker 7: that you wish you could just get them to understand,
• 59:50
  Speaker 7: but you realize, like, no, I had to go through
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: this same.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Thing as well.
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: So it's it's it's something that they have to go through,
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: you know, they have to go through the games, get
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: the experience, go through the you know, the losses, the.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Wins, the parents and just the whole nine.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: It's just, uh, it's something that I didn't think that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: I was not to deal with again, and I'm and
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 7: here I am dealing with it and I'm making the
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: most out of it though, But you know, I'm trying
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: to have fun and trying to help them develop at
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: the same time. And it's it's it's been a it's
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: been a it's teaching me patients, is what it's doing.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: It's teaching me patients, and it's it's really allowing me though,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: to really, you know, spend some good time with these
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: young athletes and uh, you know, kind of getting get
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: getting their mindset and you know, getting their brains a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 7: little bit and just you know, help them develop.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: That's what it's all about.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 7: Their eight you know, you want to you know, you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: want to do whatever you can to help these these
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 7: young athletes develop and teach them the game the right way.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: You know, you want to teach them the game the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: right way.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 7: They're watching Major leaguers pretty much when they watch baseball,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: so everybody thinks they can at eight years old and sixty.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Four pounds can hit the ball out of the park
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: like Aaron Judge.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 7: I'm like, dude, if you don't hit the ball on
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: the ground and run, like hit the ball.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: On the ground, you're hitting the ball up. It's out.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: But it's fun. Man I enjoy it.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 7: So I'm volunteering and hey, I like it. Man I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 7: enjoy it. I have fun with you.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean there is there's plenty of examples on
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the major league field what we would call little league
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: mistakes just in general. We saw one, you know, between
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers and uh, there's actually a couple on
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: that play Texas Rangers in San Francisco Giants, a little
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: little league home run walk off to to end that game.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: But this is a Tigers podcast. Hope you guys enjoyed
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: us talking with Chandler Rome, with the athletic and of
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Crush City territory. Now we do a little bit more
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: specific Tigers topics here. Now that we got Austin and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: and let you know, let's let's just start with school ball.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: We talked a little bit too, like Mellow Cody earlier
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: about school bawl and and it was it's just not right.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: We got we gotta talk glowingly about the school situation
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: because the school the school situation is this guy is
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: leading your Detroit Tigers today. Six innings, four hits, eleven strikeouts. Uh,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Like I have not gotten to the point. I've gotten
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: to the point where I find it hard to describe schooble.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: But I am not tiring of watching it because he
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: is he is still one of the best, if not
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: the best pitcher in baseball in the American League, and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: to have him go it feels pretty good to have
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: him be your Sunday guy when you gotta win a series,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: or as it was the case today, go for the suite.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've said this for a while now, Like, like,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: what else are you supposed to say? Like, we've been
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: in that spot for a while now. What stood out
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: to me? I think it was maybe the fourth inning.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: He's a runner on third base, He's facing Gunner Henderson,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: one of the best players in baseball. It is left
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: and left, but he gets down too oh and you're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: like all right, and then he just goes at him sinker,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: change up, elevated fastball, sit down, ending over Like that
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: was the quintessential Terear school sequence he locked in Austin.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: Let's hear it from someone who's been in that box.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: What's stood out to you about school today?
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 7: Look, we talked about it last time, and we talked
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: about day games. Okay, we talked about facing pictures and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 7: day games and how you approach that game and what
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 7: your your routine is and the studying the picture the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 7: night before.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: But there ain't nothing you can do about this man.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: You you, you just gotta go along for the ride.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 7: When when a guy is spotting up his fastball at
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: one hundred miles per hour, you going to sit in
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: the truck. You're going to sit in the truck. That's
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: what we used to say. We knew and this is the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: go back and watch. And you can see it in
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: the in their faces when they got down. It was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 7: like that's an outface. They already know what's out because
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: they don't know what's coming. You're gearing up for a
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: hundred and here comes a change up, Like why is that?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's harder to really describe, like I talked
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: about him having kind of like that verlinder S like
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: attitude of that bulldog mentality on the on the mound,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: and I mean he's throwing all.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: His pitches, hitting all his spots.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: There's really nothing you can do but like, good pitching
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: like that is gonna be good hitting. And obviously the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 7: Oars aren't playing the best baseball that that they you
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 7: know that they're capable of playing. But nonetheless, you gotta
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: give you gotta tip your hat. My man is going
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: out there and he is dotting up, he's spotting up
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: his pitches.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: He's throwing his change up when he wants to, he's
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: throwing it and counts it.
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  Speaker 7: It really doesn't make sense to throw it in and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 7: he's throwing it and he's he has hitters off balance
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 7: all game long, and it's it's it's fun to watch,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 7: but it's terrifying to be the opposing team when you
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 7: have to face that in a day game, a night game,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 7: any type of game.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's tough to it's tough to get to
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: hit off that guy. Man.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: So here's a stat that Tigers pr put on X
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the picture the list of pictures in Tiger's history to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: have an outing with zero runs allowed, zero walks, and
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: eleven plus strikeouts school well today, Annibal Sanchez in twenty
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: fourteen and Max Schures are in twenty twelve.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: That's the list.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Company, it's good company. I've seen both of those two dudes,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: so I know that he's in good company with when
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: you mentioned them.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: Wait, was that was that dated to a certain year?
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: That was ever? That?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: It is not dated to any year ever.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Newhauser never did that.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: Demy McLean never did that, Jack Morris. Jack Morris never
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: did that. Yeah, you know you're in wow.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's it. That's a that's the list right there.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: So hell of an outing from school. Well, hell of
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: a weekend for the Tigers. Eighteen and ten, best record
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: in the American League, ten and two on this homestand
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: h I just it, it feels like a good energy
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: from from the field. I'm sure it's reflected in the clubhouse.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Cody and and I'll tell you what, they're playing like
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: a really fun brand of baseball. Like I'm watching watching
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: the game with with with my pops and we got
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: the Pistons game onto, so we're doing double duty. And
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: uh and he's just like it's just like seeing them
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: run around. He's just like, it's just it's it's so
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: much fun to see them take the extra base, which
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: they do like every single time. Like it's the the
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: camera angles on on fan Duel Sports Network, you'll obviously
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: see they don't have like a base runner cam, but
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I know Jason is gonna go from
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: first to third, you know, like I know I know
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: that when that ball is in the outfield, that Joey
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: Korra's wave him around, you know, and and and then
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: even today like the weird, like I want to say weird,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: but just like extra play, Javier Bayas tagging from first
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: on a fly all the right field, getting in next
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: next to bat single, scores a round, huge, huge stuff,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: And I just got to say, like they're they're just
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: playing Austin Jackson brand of baseball out there. That's really
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: That's really all this is. So I can it's fun
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: for me to watch. I can only imagine what it's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: like for you, Austin being like man like if I
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to have been a part of
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: this team where everybody's just like running, uh running like
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: you know, craze fools out there. But it's working, it's working.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: It's part of the team identity.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: It's a lot of fun, absolutely, But also the thing too,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 7: like you got to think about how much pressure that
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 7: puts on the opposing team, you know, when you're constantly
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 7: putting pressure, like they're having to make a catch and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 7: have to make a good throw in because these guys
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 7: are aggressive. The Tigers are playing an aggressive style of baseball.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: They're able to manufacture runs by doing that as well,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: by taking the extra base, by getting in the scoring position,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: and then the next guy coming up and doing his job.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's the type of baseball that is gonna
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 7: win those those tough games late in the season as well,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: when things aren't going well, Okay, how can we how
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: can we manufacture these runs. We can do it with
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: our legs, we can do it with smart base running,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: we can do it with aggressive base running as well.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 7: Those are the type of things that I think kind
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: of get looked over in the game of baseball sometimes.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: You know, we're always watching the home runs.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: And the great plays, which the Tigers made some good
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: plays today.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: The defense is looking really good, but.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: Those type of things, in my opinion, get looked over sometimes.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 7: Just taking that extra base, the things that don't show
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 7: up in the box scores. Those are the things that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: they're able to do to manufacture runs. And like I said,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 7: later on in the season, when it gets tough, guys
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: getting tired, guys are hanging a little bit, what can
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 7: we do, guys in this clubhouse right now to get
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: things going. Let's be aggressive, And that's what they're doing.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: That's that's how that's that gritty that's the gritty baby,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: that's the grit we talked about. They got that grit
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: and that's that's their identity. So they got to stick
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: with that and it's working. That's the type of baseball.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 7: It's working for them right now.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: Guys, I was talking to Glaber tourres this weekend. Have
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: a story about Glaber on the Athletic and I have
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: a feeling if this story gets around to Yankees fans,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: they're gonna be a little bit pissed because Glaber said,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: if you think back of this offseason, Joey Kuorra like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: texted him, he said, get ready to run, And Glaber said,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: I'm sitting there in spring training and I just see
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 5: everyone go first to third and I kind of think
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: this is brand new. I've never played like this before.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: Labor Tour has played seven years in the Big leagues,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: two time all start. He's playing in the World Series.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Last year's Yankees they made the World Series. Their regard team,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: they ranked last in extra bases taken. Labor came to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: the Tigers with a reputation as like a bad base runner. Well,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: he's been a pretty good base runner since coming to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: the Tigers, and just because he's he's just kind of
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: running without fear, and he got thrown out Sunday going
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: to second and just kind of no one really bad
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: as an I because it was like, that's that's just
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: what we do if you're making out whatever. And so
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: you know, Glaver is talking about kind of how fun
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: that is and just how new it is to him.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: Like just to hear a guy of that stature say
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: this is a brand new style of baseball. I just
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: thought it was kind of enlightening.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: That that's I mean, it gives you that freedom to
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 7: not make a mistake out of So I tell these
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: eight years old play play fearless, you.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean. And and here we are talking
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 7: With major leaguers like that, that fearless mindset out there,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: like not being scared to take the extra base.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: You get thrown out, that's fine, you gotta run a score,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: like keep.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 7: The play going, you know, do anything that you can
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 7: do to get in scoring position or get in a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 7: position or where your teammate can do his job behind you.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: That that's that's that that style of baseball that that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 7: wins games. I'm telling you, when when the going gets tough, man,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 7: when you're able to stretch those innings out like that
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 7: by taking that extra base, you know, being aware on
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: the base pass or on a on a bad throw
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 7: or a guy fumblels with the ball he comes up
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: and he's not ready to you know, fired in and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: taking that extra base. Putting that pressure on the opposing team.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, the word is gonna start getting around too,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: by the way. It's not like they're gonna be like, hey,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 7: these guys, y'all better come up throwing, y'all better get
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: the ball in, y'all better hit the cutoff man because
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: these guys are playing. But that's that's the pressure you
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: put on the opposing team all day, every day. You
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 7: gotta bring that. And I love that. I love watching
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 7: that st out with baseball.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt this weekend Baltimore. Obviously they're going through struggles,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: but I felt like the Tigers were like like mentally
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: just like a little bit faster, Like the Tigers knew
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: what they were about and like going to do like
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: better than the Orioles did, if that makes sense. And
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: and and we always we joke about the S word,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: the sustainable word, and it's like, you know, what is sustainable?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: What's not sustainable that mindset that like culture, that grit
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever like that they're really you're saying, Austin, like
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: that stuff is sustainable. So that's that's one of the
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: things when you sit here and you're like, you know,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: how how good how you know they're I say, great,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: are the Tigers like, well, I don't know, but they
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: they play a style of baseball that that is sustainable
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: because they're doing it without their best you know, without
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: their their full deck of cards basically, and and so
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: like if you're looking for encouraging science, that's gotta be
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: up there.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: Uh and that and that starts at the top too,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 7: you know, that's what they're they're preaching.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: Hey, this is what we're gonna play. I don't you know.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 7: The bats are gonna gonna gonna be hot and cold
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: sometimes defense is gonna but that effort every day we
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: are bringing and you can you can just tell it's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: a different Tiger team even from from last year. You
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: can see that carryover, Like you can see that this
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: is they're getting guys to.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: Buy into that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: That's the toughest thing to do when you got a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 7: room full of you know, just different type of egos,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 7: guys from all over the place. When you can get
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: some grown men to buy into that mindset, it's dangerous.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 7: It's dangerous. Hey, these boys are playing. Listen to me.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: They playing some ball right now. It's fun to watch, man,
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 7: I'm telling you.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the labor example is the you know, the
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: quint essential piece of that. And then just like you know,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: double header yesterday, day game today, and they're they're over
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: there acting like they all got fresh legs, you know,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: so like that that that that that starts right here,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: right that starts.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just been talking about the buy in a
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: lot and on Sunday he was kind of saying, you know,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: it's no like these guys are just used to it.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: It's just who we are. Like I don't really have
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: to do any any sort of sales pitch. But I
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: know for a fact that wasn't the case two years ago. Yeah,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: what if you're pinch hitting for a guy? He had
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: to explain, and this guy is probably mad. And like
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: the reason that baying is there is because the results
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: started coming and and you get a little confidence. And
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 5: now now players can't argue if they're getting ben shit
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: for it because they know there's a reason. They know
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: what makes sense when they're being told to run aggressively
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: and they see, oh wow, my teammate just got first
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: to third and then he got knocked in. That changed
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: the game. I want to do that too, you know.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: And we gonna record this, and I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 7: show this to my eight year old because they need
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: to hear this.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: They think it's all sweet.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 7: They think, oh, we just out here, the major leaguers
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: are just they're just all showing hitting home runs. No,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: these boys are out here playing the game of baseball.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: They're playing the game the right way. They need to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: hear that.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Getting down dirty it's not a bad thing, right, all right,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: let's move on to our fan duel Sports Network player spotlight.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do this in a little bit more
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: of a unique way. Let I think Carry carp We
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: haven't done a Carry Carpenter one, if ever.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: I can't say I've written all these down off the
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: top of my head. But Carry Carpenter is getting to play,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: and we haven't talked about this, getting some play at
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: the leadoff spot. And it's if you look at his splits,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's not going all that well, so as I
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: pulled this up real quick, so just leading off an ending,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: so we'll say, like not even just like being the
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: leadoff hitter leading off an inning this year coming into today,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: and you can you can add another one there. He's
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: he's zero for three coming into today, oh for four
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: obviously leading off today, and then just in general when
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: he's batting first, he is less than one forty batting ever,
• 1:15:43
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• 1:15:45
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• 1:15:49
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• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: see how this is going to work out. Because he's
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: a he's a talented as hell hitter. We all know this,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: but the leadoff thing, whether it's you know, correlation, lou
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: causation or whatever like, has not necessarily netted any results.
• 1:16:20
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• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Carver and the leadoff spot What do you guys think?
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: I hitting leadoff, you know much the majority of my career.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 7: I started to figure out it was. It was more
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 7: of a mindset that I had to have, you know.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: I mean, I had future Hall of famers hitting behind me,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 7: so they're you know, they kind of made it easy
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: in a way to where I could just focus on
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: one thing, and that was just just get on, Like
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 7: it doesn't matter how.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: You get on, Like be yourself, be the hitter you
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: want you you want to be.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 7: Like, I had to have a game plan. I knew that,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 7: you know, we we did a lot. I knew that
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: I needed to focus on getting on base for those
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 7: guys behind me. But however, that was so a lot
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: of times the count would dictate how aggressive I could be.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: If I, you know, the picture that was pitching that.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: Day, I could look at my stats against him and see, like, hey,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 7: I've been hitting well off this guy stead a bressive
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: off him off it's a guy that I haven't been
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 7: hitting well. I had to change my approach a little bit.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 7: But my mindset was to get on base anyway possible,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 7: whether I was feeling really good and I you know,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 7: I could take some really good hacks up there, or
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: if I need to shorten up and just punch some
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: balls in play and use my speed to get on
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 7: I think he's capable of doing all of those things.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 7: But I think we know that he has some pop
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: in that back. I don't think he needs to necessarily
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: change anything. Looks like he might be kind of filling
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: for what do I need to do? Because it's hard
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: if you've never been that guy, if you've never been
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 7: a leadoffitter, it's tough to kind of figure out who
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: am I? What do I need to be? Like I've
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 7: hit for power, I got power. I don't think you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: need to change that in account to where you can
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 7: hit for power, hit for power. They have plenty of
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 7: guys in that lineup that are capable of probably hitting leadoff.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: You know, leadoff is just you're just the first man up.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 7: When I started buying that, I'm just the first man up.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 7: You know, I just need to get on base, do
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: my job. I don't necessarily have to, you know, just
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: be the guy. I got guys behind me that can
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: do that. But I can get on base, however I
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 7: need to, whether that's a double in the gap, a bunt,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: that's the beauty of it. Like you have the freedom
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 7: to be who you are in that position, and he
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: he should have that freedom. I think that, like I
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: was saying earlier, he kind of is trying to feel
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 7: for who he needs to be, trying to find his identity.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: Don't change it.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: Be who you are.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: You hit for power, hit for power in that spot.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 7: Who wouldn't want to lead off a game with a
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: bot right away? Right away, make a loud out. Okay, Like,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: let's not get too caught up in the stats. We
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 7: need to focus on like the at bats. I think
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 7: you know, because it's tough. It's tough to go up
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 7: there as a leadoff hitter and hit three hundred. Yeah,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 7: of course you want that, But I would focus more
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 7: on the on the outs the at bats.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Are you making loud outs? That's because that's who you are.
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  Speaker 2: You're a guy who hits the ball hard. We need
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  Speaker 2: you to do that.
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  Speaker 7: Let's it puts that pressure on the picture that that
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  Speaker 7: first at bat.
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  Speaker 2: Of the game, that that batter of the game.
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  Speaker 7: When it's a loud hit, they're like, oh man, yeah,
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  Speaker 7: that's the tone I'm trying to set, whether I'm on
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  Speaker 7: base or off, I'm hitting your stuff hard.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm.
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  Speaker 7: Gonna try to do because I'm trying to set a
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  Speaker 7: tone for my teammates. I'm trying to work count If
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  Speaker 7: I can then do that a ton, but I try to.
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  Speaker 7: But I'm trying to set a tone for my teammates.
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  Speaker 7: So whatever information I can gather on the pitches he's throwing,
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  Speaker 7: and I can relay that to the guys behind me,
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  Speaker 7: that's the type of leader, leadoff hitter I had to
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  Speaker 7: be that day. It wasn't feeling it, but you know what,
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  Speaker 7: I had to gather information up there and go give
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  Speaker 7: it back to my teammates. So you know, I don't
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  Speaker 7: think we should, you know, stress too much on it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's a new position for him. I think
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  Speaker 7: that he'll he'll settle down to get comfortable and be
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  Speaker 7: the guy that you know we've seen him be in.
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  Speaker 5: The best guys. The beauty of AJ Hinch. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think a J. Hinch cares that carry Carpenter's two for
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  Speaker 5: seventeen is leadoff hitter. I don't think he like Aj
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  Speaker 5: often says like the leadoff guy only leads off and
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  Speaker 5: theory wants a game, right, Kerry Carpenter is hitting leadoff
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  Speaker 5: to force a decision. For the other manager. It was
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  Speaker 5: I think it was the first game carry hit leadoff ages.
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  Speaker 5: So well, we want that nineteenth at bat of the game.
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  Speaker 5: Who's thinking about the nineteenth that bat of the game?
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  Speaker 7: A J.
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  Speaker 5: Hinch is thinking about the nineteenth That bad again is
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  Speaker 5: the manager, you got a right handed starter, Are you
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: gonna lead him in to face carry a third time?
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  Speaker 5: Or you're gonna pull him. If you pull them, you
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  Speaker 5: force the opponent to dip into their bullpen a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe you pull them and then AJ can bring in
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  Speaker 5: Andy a Bania is if there's a runner on base,
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  Speaker 5: or like what happened in that game, you leave the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: right handed starter in carry. Got a single torque homered
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  Speaker 5: next at bat changed the complexion of that game. Carr
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  Speaker 5: Grumbers taking lead off to force the other manager to
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: make a hard decision in the middle of the game,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: which is kind of some next level thinking for AJ.
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  Speaker 1: Expect anything less. Expect anything less. Uh and and by
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the way, like and just in the spirit of fairness,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: like the way that they that Baseball Reference like calculates
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: like batting or positions and you know whatever, it concludes
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: when he like pinch hits for the person batting leadoff,
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  Speaker 1: so it's not just like you know, but he is
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: technically in the first order, so yeah, whatever that matters,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just want I just want to be
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  Speaker 1: fair there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, is there any other hot button topics
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: we need to cover? Cody Austin.
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  Speaker 5: Hoby Bias.
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  Speaker 7: Well, man, I'm glad you said it, because I Man,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: I watched Hobby Man today with with the with runners
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 7: scoring position, the the double down the line, and it
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  Speaker 7: was it was so sweet because they showed a side
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 7: view of his swing and just he just looks night
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  Speaker 7: and day from when I probably saw maybe even a
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 7: couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: Just the the balance he has in his swing.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure, and you know, I'm sure that hitting coaches
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 7: and everybody's in his ear about he needs to shorten up.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 7: That's probably one of the shortest swings that I seen
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 7: Hobby take in a while. And that was it was
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 7: a beaut It was beautiful to watch it. The side angle,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 7: the leg kick at times gets a little wild. But
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 7: when I saw him pick his leg up and put
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  Speaker 7: it back down and then just see the ball and
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 7: not try to do too much, didn't try to lift it,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 7: didn't try to get, you know, add extra power. He
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 7: just took the barrel right to the ball and stayed
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  Speaker 7: through it. I mean, that is what he is capable
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  Speaker 7: of doing, and that's honestly what he's gonna have to
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: kind of be now in his career. Like I've seen Miggy.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: I saw Micky do it. I saw Miggy have to
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 7: change his whole approach because he didn't have the power
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 7: that he once had, especially you know when I was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 7: playing Megi was still playing when I was at the house,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 7: I'm like, this.
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  Speaker 2: Dude is still playing baseball, Like, how is he still
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: out here? I'm like, I'm I'm I'm struggling to get
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: out of bed. MIGGI is still playing baseball.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 7: But just to see though the change in his approach,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 7: well I shouldn't say the change his approach, but him
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 7: having to take maybe a shorter swing. I think that
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: is what Bias is going to have to start doing
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 7: is taking a shorter swing almost. I don't want to
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 7: tell him. I wouldn't tell him to necessarily give up
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: on power. But for the meantime, for right now, let's
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 7: just focus on hitting hard line drives too, Like, let's
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: just be because you're capable of doing that, you know,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 7: I know you want to see some balls leaving the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: park because he's capable of doing that too. But to
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 7: get him flowing, get him rolling, like he can be
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 7: an X factor in that lineup. You know, you got
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 7: him coming up. We spoke on it earlier with him
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: and with runners in scoring position, the.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Dude turns it on.
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  Speaker 7: So this is a guy you want up with runners
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: in scoring position at this point. So if he's able
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: to take that same approach with runners in scoring position
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 7: and just keep that approach.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: I think this.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, he has a really a good chance to
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 7: start finding that swing again, and it could be really
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 7: dangerous if he gets.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: It going again.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm not saying you're gonna see the hobby
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 7: of old you know, with Chicago, But I still think
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: he has enough left in the tank to help this
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: lineup and to help those younger guys, you know, as
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 7: the as the swing goes on, and when the playoffs comes.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Around, you need experiencing.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: He's a guy that needs to get it going and
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: he can really help his team.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: We've talked before about how hitting with runners in scoring position,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: like those numbers can be a little bit fluky, but
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: some guys really do shorten up their approach. Mickey's one
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: of them. He hit three zero six for his career.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 5: He hit three twenty six for his career with runers
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: and scoring position. It's easy to do, right, Hovey two
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 5: fifty two career hitter, two seventy career here with runners
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 5: in scoring position. You think you were better, better or
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 5: worse with runners in scoring position.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Austin gonna say worse.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: But but you know, but but but since we're talking
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: about approach, I mean it. It did help me settle
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 7: down and try to shorten my swing up. So I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 7: think there is some there is there is subting to that.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean, But I don't know. You
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 7: can look it up. You can look it up. I
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 7: don't care no more. You can say whatever.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: Now seventy hitter, which by the way, not shabby, but
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: to sixty one with runners and scoring.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 7: If I would have known what I know now I
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: would have I would switched it up, you know, big
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 7: on the boys.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: I try to try to do too much. That's that.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: So Austin was just a skumfled being the runner in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: scoring position as opposed to do as opposed to being
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: the guy to play with position. Yeah all right, yeah
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun, a lot of fun.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Thank you Austin for for coming on post post a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: baseball marathon of your own over there in the in
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: the Texas ball fields, coming over cast day. So I
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: don't think you've burned up too much, but uh, but
• 1:27:09
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