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Tombstone: Does Tombstone Still Set The Standard for Westerns? · Have You Seen?! The Movie Podcast

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Dylan: Welcome to Have You Seen the Movie Podcast, where every movie is a premiere.
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Joe: This week we're heading to Arizona Territory for Tombstone, one of the most quotable Westerns ever made.
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Dylan: This week's movie, Tombstone, is rated R for strong Western violence and language.
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Dylan: If that's not suitable for little ears, we hope you'll tune in next week.
0:50
Dylan: It's rated R?
0:52
Dylan: Yeah.
0:53
Dylan: Man, I felt like it was these days it'd be like PG 13.
0:57
Dylan: Oh, right.
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Joe: Yeah.
0:58
Joe: I thought it was too.
1:00
Joe: Let's look at the back of the box.
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Joe: Yeah, definitely rated R for strong western violence.
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Dylan: Huh.
1:08
Dylan: Okay.
1:09
Dylan: How times have changed.
1:12
Dylan: Yes.
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Dylan: So before we jump into the movie, let's talk about how we watched it.
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Joe: We watched it on the let's see what version is this.
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Joe: The Annaver most recent anniversary edition.
1:26
Joe: I was able to snag a steelbook.
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Joe: 4K.
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Joe: 4K Blu-ray is what we watched it on.
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Joe: Aspect ratio of 2.35.1.
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Joe: And the audio mix was 5.1 DTS HD master audio.
1:45
Joe: And we also used the captions because we had the air conditioning on because it's so hot in Montana right now.
1:52
Dylan: You know, I've done hearing tests.
1:56
Dylan: And they say there's nothing wrong with my hearing.
1:58
Dylan: Yeah.
1:58
Dylan: But I wonder sometimes.
2:00
Joe: Yeah.
2:01
Joe: You know, I mean, it could be, but I've also seen this movie so many times that I just quote it in my head.
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Joe: I know it, it's like a song.
2:09
Joe: It's like uh, you know, like your favorite album or something that you can just sing first track to last.
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Dylan: Yeah, I understand that.
2:21
Dylan: Just that they're quote the whole thing the whole time.
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Joe: Yeah, yeah.
2:25
Joe: But uh okay.
2:27
Dylan: So came out in 1993.
2:32
Dylan: Yeah, 93.
2:33
Dylan: Wow.
2:34
Dylan: Yeah.
2:36
Dylan: I feel like I was expecting it to be an older movie than that.
2:40
Joe: Yeah, that's good.
2:42
Dylan: Yeah.
2:44
Joe: Like in a dated way, or it just felt period.
2:48
Dylan: No, it just really felt period.
2:49
Joe: Yeah, nice.
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Joe: Yeah.
2:51
Joe: Yeah, they really they did a really good job with that.
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Dylan: Yeah, they did.
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Dylan: That's surprising.
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Joe: Yeah, it yeah, we'll get into that more.
3:01
Dylan: So who was the director for this?
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Joe: Well, here's what we're gonna do.
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Joe: We're gonna we're gonna give all the official stuff and then we'll talk about the creating of the movie because that's a little longer.
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Joe: So uh credited uh to directed by George P.
3:20
Joe: Cosmatos.
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Joe: It was written by Kevin Jar.
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Joe: Yeah, and they based it on real events surrounding Wyatt Earp and the gunfight at the OK Corral.
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Dylan: It is raining that hard.
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Dylan: Let's just press on.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay, keep going.
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Dylan: So maybe just say the last one again.
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Dylan: Apologies.
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Joe: Yeah.
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Joe: So uh it was based on real events surrounding Wyatt Earp and the gunfight at the OK Corral.
3:56
Dylan: Oh, okay.
3:57
Dylan: Yeah.
3:57
Dylan: I kind of wondered if it was like based on a true story.
4:03
Dylan: But you know, Annabelle is also based on a true story, so Annabelle.
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Joe: Oh yeah.
4:10
Joe: I was like, that I at first I thought Annie get your gun.
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Joe: I was like, yeah, that was I think that was loosely based.
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Joe: Yeah.
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Joe: Uh so when people say tombstone, what's the first thing that comes to mind?
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Dylan: Oh, I would have to just say the the town in Arizona.
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Joe: Yeah.
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Dylan: Honestly.
4:34
Dylan: Yeah.
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Dylan: Uh I knew that there was a movie called Tombstone that was a Western.
4:39
Dylan: Yeah.
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Dylan: But like no nothing at all.
4:43
Dylan: Yeah.
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Dylan: So yeah.
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Dylan: Like.
4:49
Joe: Yeah.
4:50
Joe: Yeah.
4:50
Joe: Yeah.
4:50
Joe: I think of the pizza.
4:53
Dylan: Tombstone pizza.
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Joe: This podcast is not sponsored by could be.
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Dylan: All right.
5:01
Dylan: Well, if you haven't seen a while, here's the quick setup.
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Dylan: Retired lawman Wyatt Earp moves to the booming town of Tombstone with his brothers, hoping to leave violence behind.
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Dylan: But when a ruthless outlaw gang known as the Cowboys began terrorizing the region, Wyatt, Doc Holiday, and their allies find themselves drawn into one of the most famous showdaws in American history.
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Joe: So first reactions.
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Dylan: Oh, I would I enjoyed it.
5:34
Dylan: Yeah.
5:35
Dylan: Yeah.
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Dylan: Big fan of Doc Holiday.
5:38
Dylan: Yeah.
5:39
Dylan: But I mean it's Val Kilmer.
5:40
Dylan: Right.
5:41
Dylan: So, you know, who what can go wrong?
5:44
Dylan: One of my friends that I work with listens to the podcast.
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Dylan: And so she was like texting me when we did the Top Gun episode about Val Kilmer.
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Joe: Totally.
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Joe: Yeah.
6:00
Joe: I mean, it was on my list.
6:02
Joe: Yeah.
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Dylan: So what was your first time watching Tombstone like?
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Joe: I can't even remember.
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Joe: I mean, I kind of think maybe it was in college or something.
6:13
Joe: Yeah.
6:13
Joe: Yeah.
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Joe: Cause I don't think, you know, my family wasn't necessarily into westerns, although I have an uncle who likes to watch TV and he he calls them shoot-em-ups.
6:23
Joe: Oh yeah.
6:24
Joe: And he'll he'll watch his shoot 'em ups at night before he goes to bed.
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Joe: But uh yeah, I I don't remember actually seeing the theater, but it was more like, you know, a bunch of guys getting together and watching tombstones.
6:38
Joe: Right.
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Dylan: Yeah.
6:41
Dylan: Joe and Du Boys.
6:43
Dylan: Yeah.
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Dylan: I would have to say that it's definitely more dramatic than I was kind of expecting it to be.
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Dylan: Just with like this kind of the storytelling between the gunfights did such a good job of just wrapping that all together and using that to to tell the story was very well done in my opinion.
7:10
Joe: Instead of just random shootings and crime and yeah.
7:14
Dylan: Exactly.
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Joe: Yeah, and that tends to be the the shtick, you know.
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Joe: So what surprised you the most?
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Dylan: I would say man, I don't even know.
7:33
Dylan: Yeah.
7:34
Dylan: Is there is there a specific moment that sticks out to you?
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Joe: See.
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Joe: Not really.
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Joe: Um, I guess when first saying it, maybe the you know, we'll talk more about favorite scenes and stuff.
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Joe: But the the okay Corral thing, that I mean, just the amount of shots that went into that, yeah, and just the the communication with eyes, you know, like that was a huge thing.
8:01
Joe: There's no dialogue, I mean, or very minimal dialogue in that, right?
8:05
Joe: You know, so yeah.
8:08
Dylan: All right, Joe.
8:09
Dylan: I think it's time to talk characters.
8:10
Dylan: Okay.
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Dylan: So of course you've got Wyatt Earp played by Kurt Russell.
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Joe: Yeah.
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Joe: Yeah, I I also listed the minor characters as well.
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Joe: So we'll we'll go into those.
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Joe: Yeah, Wyatt Earp was played by Kurt Russell.
8:29
Joe: He was in uh, well, like I like to mention, he's John Carpenter's Elvis.
8:36
Joe: The thing, big trouble in Middle China, Guardians of the Galaxy, you know.
8:42
Dylan: So the list goes on.
8:43
Joe: Yeah, it does.
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Dylan: Yeah, he did a great job portraying Wyatt Earp, though.
8:52
Joe: Yeah, yeah, he did.
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Dylan: So you have Doc Holiday played by Dal Kilmer.
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Joe: Dal Kilmer, yeah.
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Dylan: I mean, really stole the show.
9:03
Dylan: He did.
9:03
Dylan: He did.
9:05
Joe: Yeah.
9:06
Joe: Yeah.
9:07
Joe: His mannerisms, everything he put into his character.
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Joe: So witty.
9:11
Joe: Yeah.
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Dylan: Yeah.
9:12
Joe: The yeah.
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Joe: So originally, I guess when they were starting to cast everybody, Willem Defoe was actually the original choice to play Doc Holiday.
9:24
Joe: Oh, really?
9:24
Joe: Yeah.
9:25
Joe: So if people don't know him, you know, he's known for Spider-Man and you know, like there's so many movies that he's been in, but uh Platoons, a huge one that he was in.
9:36
Joe: But uh yeah, they at the time Disney was still in its kind of you know family-oriented, you know, kind of thing, and he had done some movies that they didn't agree with, so they didn't want him to be interesting, yeah.
9:53
Dylan: Yeah, I feel like that would have been such a different character portrayal, too.
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Dylan: Oh, yeah, than what you know, Val Kilmer did.
10:00
Joe: Yeah.
10:01
Dylan: So definitely happy with the uh casting choice on that one.
10:04
Joe: Definitely, yeah.
10:06
Joe: He's Iceman.
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Dylan: But yeah, he definitely Doc Holiday definitely has some of the most quotable lines in the movie, too.
10:17
Joe: Yeah.
10:18
Joe: You're a daisy if you do.
10:21
Dylan: So then you have Virgil Earp.
10:25
Dylan: And I was asking you while we were watching it, I was like, is who is that guy?
10:30
Dylan: I know him from you know, TV show, current TV show.
10:35
Dylan: Uh-huh.
10:35
Dylan: And I was like, man, he looks old there.
10:39
Dylan: Like right.
10:40
Dylan: Yeah.
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Joe: He's one of those actors that kind of got to a certain point of age and then stayed.
10:47
Joe: Yeah.
10:48
Joe: Like he doesn't, he doesn't, it's it, you know.
10:52
Dylan: Yeah.
10:52
Dylan: So he's played by Sam Elliott.
10:54
Dylan: Yeah.
10:54
Dylan: Sam Elliott.
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Dylan: So he has such a distinct voice.
11:01
Dylan: Yes.
11:02
Dylan: You just you always know.
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Joe: Yeah.
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Joe: So a couple of things.
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Joe: He was in Starzborn and the Hulk.
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Joe: And yeah, I mean, he he's he's the Western guy, you know.
11:13
Joe: Yeah.
11:13
Joe: He was also in Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze.
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Joe: And uh, yeah, I mean, he he's known for that mustache.
11:21
Joe: The swagger.
11:23
Joe: Absolutely.
11:24
Joe: Yeah.
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Joe: So then you have Morgan Earp played by Bill Paxton.
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Dylan: Yeah, I didn't I didn't realize that was Bill Paxton at first.
11:35
Dylan: Yeah.
11:36
Dylan: Kind of really not until we got like through the credits.
11:40
Dylan: And it was like, oh.
11:42
Dylan: Yeah.
11:43
Joe: Mr.
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Joe: Twister played Fred Hayes and Apollo 13.
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Joe: Yeah.
11:50
Joe: Yeah.
11:50
Joe: I yeah.
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Joe: Reason why I'm mentioning I'm gonna mention more people is because this cast, the cast was amazing, you know, like there were so many actors that were come like up and coming or kind of in their mid-swing of getting to the top.
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Joe: Yeah.
12:08
Joe: You know, so then Johnny Ringo was played by Michael Bean, and he's pretty well known for the first Terminator.
12:19
Joe: Okay.
12:20
Joe: Um he gets sent back to the past to save John Connor.
12:27
Joe: That's the uh that's as much as I'll give you.
12:30
Joe: Okay.
12:32
Joe: Uh Terminator, Abyss, Aliens, The Rock, Navy SEALs.
12:37
Joe: Uh, he's a great actor.
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Joe: He he's like with Val's uh doc and his you know Johnny Ringo, it's just it's that tension and yeah, you know, always button heads.
12:53
Dylan: Yeah, yeah.
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Joe: And I I love when he's you know, doc says, you know, you remind me of me, I hate you.
13:00
Joe: It happens.
13:01
Joe: Yeah, it happens.
13:05
Joe: So then Curly Bill was played by Powers Booth.
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Joe: I mean, he's just he's just been in tons of stuff since City Avengers.
13:14
Joe: Um that's just kind of the the most recent, but yeah, he it uh yeah, he he's a great uh cowboy leader in that.
13:26
Joe: I'll do some honorable mentions and just kind of go through the list.
13:38
Joe: So Charlton Heston played Henry Hooker, he's known for Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, and Planet of the Apes.
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Joe: After the original director was fired, they threw out all the scenes that were filmed, and Charlton Heston had a huge amount, like they started the first month, he he got most of the footage, and then when they got rid of the original director, they they scrapped it, and so he ended up with the few scenes that he was in, but there was supposed to be a scene with him and Michael Bean, and it was like a longer scene and everything, and you never see him on screen with this version, so which is crazy because he's such a legendary actor that they just kind of wasted that.
14:25
Joe: Jason Priestley played Billy, he's the one that's he's so wonderful, or he's wonderful.
14:32
Joe: He's a good little character.
14:34
Joe: Um, at the time he was on Beverly Hills 90210, uh star of that show.
14:40
Joe: Um John Tenney plays Sheriff Beehan.
14:44
Joe: He's known for being on The Closer.
14:47
Joe: Stephen Lang uh played Ike Clanton, and he's the one of the main guys or main villain, the first main villain in Avatar.
14:56
Joe: Thomas Hayden Church, Billy Clanton.
15:00
Joe: Uh he started on Wings TV show and then played Flint Marco and Spider-Man 3 and in No Way Home.
15:06
Joe: So he was Sandman, basically.
15:09
Joe: Okay.
15:09
Joe: Um, and then Michael Rooker.
15:12
Joe: You gotta know Michael Rooker, right?
15:14
Joe: He he played Sherman McMasters.
15:16
Joe: Do you know who he is?
15:17
Dylan: Um he he looked familiar, but I could not tell you what movie.
15:22
Joe: Yeah.
15:23
Joe: So he was in Maul Rats, and then he he played Yondu in Guardians of the Galaxy.
15:30
Joe: Oh, okay.
15:31
Joe: I'm Mary Poppins, y'all.
15:35
Joe: Billy Wap Thornton played Johnny Tyler.
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SPEAKER_03: Johnny Tyler.
15:41
Joe: Uh he was the writer and director of Sling Blade, won three Oscars maybe from that movie.
15:48
Joe: Yeah.
15:48
Joe: So he went from Tombstone, Johnny Tyler getting slapped in the face to Oscars.
15:56
Joe: Um did you did you recognize who the the actor was in the in the movie?
16:03
Joe: The the main actor uh who ends up getting shot.
16:08
Joe: He's with the troop of theater troop.
16:12
Joe: Um Billy Zane.
16:18
Joe: Do you know who Billy Zane is?
16:20
Joe: I can't remember.
16:21
Joe: He was in Back to the Future 1 and 2.
16:23
Joe: He played the uh The Henchman, like Biff's side guys.
16:28
Joe: Oh, okay.
16:28
Joe: Yeah, like in part two, he's the one who says, How does he change his clothes so fast?
16:33
Joe: Okay.
16:34
Joe: Um, he's also been in Tales from the Crypt and The Phantom and Titanic.
16:40
Joe: Then John Corbett plays Barnes, he's a cowboy.
16:45
Joe: He's known for northern exposure.
16:48
Joe: And I think the biggest one for me that I know him from is uh My Big Fat Greek Wedding.
16:55
Joe: And then finally, last one, Terry O'Quinn, who played the mayor.
16:59
Joe: Uh, I remember him specifically from the movie The Stepfather, it was more of a horror movie, yeah.
17:04
Joe: And then uh Young Guns and then Lost was was like the main thing.
17:09
Dylan: All right, Joe, we've got to talk about the music because as far as westerns go, this soundtrack just really hits.
17:17
Joe: Doesn't it?
17:18
Joe: Oh, it's so good, it's just different.
17:20
Joe: Um and so the composer was Bruce Broughton, if I'm saying that right.
17:27
Joe: And his kind of he won't he didn't want it to be particularly western because like some westerns are like, you know, you know, and then you have the you know, which is awesome.
17:42
Joe: We've seen it live, but the good, bad, and the ugly soundtrack kind of thing.
17:46
Joe: So yeah, that's more Italian Western, but so he wanted it to be like you know, like no harmonica or any of that kind of stuff, but to rely on instruments of ethnic color, like the Hungarian, was it Sibelom, the Irish tin whistle and bowran, and the French contrabass uh sursophone.
18:12
Joe: Um it it's spelled differently than sousaphone.
18:18
Joe: Oh, interesting.
18:19
Joe: Yeah, but a contrabass is sort of an upright.
18:22
Joe: Right.
18:23
Dylan: That's the that's the big bass.
18:25
Dylan: Yeah, big bass.
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Joe: Um, and then the brass section includes uh tenor and bass trombones, which is cool, a more massive contra bass trombone, and then he said much of this score, he said, quote, much of the score reminds me of what I once heard Bernard Herman tell a studio orchestra the highest note here is the middle C.
18:52
Joe: So that's kind of where he was going with things, and then you have uh Nocturne and E minor played by well written by Frederick Freakin Chopin.
19:09
Joe: I edited that treadmarked, yeah, but that's famously played by Doc Holiday, Val Kilmer.
19:18
Joe: I love that, I love that scene, it's just hilarious.
19:22
Joe: Uh then Red Red River Valley, uh, which is performed by Dana Delaney on stage, and then Le Dance Macabra, composed by Camille Saint Science, use that as an accompaniment in the theater sequence.
19:39
Joe: So yeah, there's there wasn't a lot to find about that.
19:44
Joe: Um really, yeah.
19:47
Joe: You would think that a movie like this would have had, you know, right a lot more options and find it on Spotify or something, but it's what I saw was kind of sold on specific websites, you know, orchestra websites and things like that.
20:07
Dylan: So yeah, one of the things that really got us started down the track of um the track of watching Tombstone and watching the good, bad, and the ugly is when we went to the orchestra here in town, uh-huh, and they did a night of just what would you call it, like main themes from movies or composers featuring composers.
20:44
Dylan: Because I was gonna say movie songs, and I'm like, that's not right.
20:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, hello my baby.
20:50
Dylan: But yeah, just like the main themes of a ton of different songs, yeah.
20:55
Dylan: And just getting to sit there and hear it was just so good.
21:02
Joe: Yeah.
21:02
Joe: Like my boss was describing one of the because I feel like, you know, shout out to Bozeman Symphony.
21:11
Joe: I feel like their music has just been getting better and better, like as far as picks and and things like that.
21:18
Joe: I love going, you know, when I can.
21:21
Joe: Uh, but my boss was saying that he was watching a particular piece and just to be able to see visually the layers of music going on.
21:29
Dylan: Yeah.
21:30
Joe: And that for me, you know, we you watch all these movies and you kind of you visualize it with what's being shown on on the screen, but when you actually see them playing it and all the parts coming in and out, and the layers of you know, instrumentalists and musicians and percussion and you know, just yeah.
21:53
Joe: And you know, even the things of like, oh, I didn't know that was that instrument or that makes that noise?
21:59
Dylan: Yeah.
22:00
Dylan: Yeah, exactly.
22:01
Dylan: Wow, in all the years that I played that, I never thought of so Yeah, well, and that just goes that leans so much into the composing of it all because like just being able to like write a piece and think it through in your head and and think that I need this sound.
22:34
Dylan: What can I you know what can I get to make that happen?
22:39
Dylan: Yeah.
22:39
Dylan: It's like you come up with all sorts of different options and stuff and you know, adding in just all the layers to it.
22:48
Joe: Yeah.
22:48
Joe: And yeah, composers, when you you have experience and you've learned multiple instruments, you know what they can do.
22:55
Joe: And you know, like a lot of some scary movies will use, you know, they'll put screws in the piano strings and then take a pick, a guitar pick, and like go across and give it that you know eerie sound, you know.
23:10
Joe: So there's I felt like there was a good amount of that in here, and it really drove the story, you know.
23:17
Joe: Just you know, especially when there's these epic scenes of chaos and destruction.
23:25
Dylan: Yeah.
23:26
Dylan: So speaking of epic scenes of chaos and destruction, let's talk about how this movie was made.
23:32
Joe: All right.
23:33
Joe: Well, uh, some of this is from the Michael Bean podcast, uh fooling about he said they said a lot of books were written after Tombstone came out, and because of this, Kevin Jarr didn't have much research to draw upon.
23:49
Joe: And so he had a book of the 20s that documented a lot of the language and phrases used in the movie.
23:57
Joe: So, hey Lunger, I'm your Huckleberry, your Daisy if you do, pull that smoke wagon.
24:03
Joe: You know, I love that line.
24:05
Joe: Go ahead and pull that smoke wagon.
24:09
Dylan: Can be used in your day-to-day life, exactly.
24:13
Joe: Yeah, and then he also drew from newspapers and periodicals of the time to get down the language and and all of that.
24:20
Joe: Yeah.
24:21
Joe: Um yeah, the the line, you're a daisy if you do, was inspired by accounts of the real gunfight at the OK Corral.
24:30
Joe: According to contemporary reports, Frank McClary shouted, I've got you now, Doc, U S O B.
24:37
Joe: And Holiday replied, Blaze away, you're a daisy if you have.
24:41
Joe: So screenwriter Kevin Jar shortened it and modernized it to You're a Daisy If You Do for clarity while keeping it historical.
24:51
Joe: Little creative license.
24:54
Joe: It's the more accurate depiction of Wyatt Earp and Wyatt Earp the Third was an actor on the movie and played Billy Claiborne.
25:04
Dylan: Oh, really?
25:05
Joe: So he helped with family stories to fill in any gaps that they didn't have.
25:11
Dylan: So it's from the source.
25:13
Joe: Yeah, exactly.
25:14
Joe: I mean, that's the closest you're gonna get to all of that.
25:19
Joe: Previously, there were only TV shows of Ringo and Doc and Wyatt, and they were generally lawman shows, or even Doc Holiday was pitted against Wyatt when in reality they were really good friends, you know.
25:34
Joe: So it's kind of weird how westerns early on were doing that.
25:40
Joe: Josie Marcus, who is you know, played by Dana Delaney, uh, was married to Wyatt till he died in 1929, and she fought till she died, she fought to preserve Wyatt's image, um, which was the brave lawman who cleared up the old west.
25:57
Joe: Um and which wasn't a complete picture, but Wyatt, you know, Urp also consulted early westerns, so he was a consultant for all the you know the 20s or before that, you know, accuracy.
26:12
Joe: So the directing.
26:14
Joe: I'm gonna I'm gonna toss out what a director is.
26:18
Joe: Okay.
26:19
Joe: So a film director or filmmaker is a person who controls the film's artistic and dramatic aspects and visualizes the screenplay or script while guiding the film crew and actors in the fulfillment of that vision.
26:33
Joe: The director has a key role in choosing the cast members, production design, and all the creative aspects of filming in cooperation with the producer.
26:44
Joe: So this is gonna be important.
26:46
Joe: Okay, so Kevin Jarr had previously written Glory and that won three Oscars.
26:53
Joe: Um he was fired a month after shooting uh Tombstone.
26:58
Joe: So he wrote Tombstone and he wanted to, he basically told the studio if we're gonna do this, I'm gonna direct it.
27:05
Joe: And they said, Okay, you need to stay, you know.
27:08
Joe: They basically give him gave him such a tight window that he couldn't, you know, possibly do it.
27:13
Joe: Like purposefully, purpose, yeah.
27:15
Joe: I think purposefully.
27:17
Joe: So within a month, he was uh off schedule.
27:21
Joe: They had shot a month's worth of work, like I said, with Charlton Heston being cut out a lot, and so they brought in George Cosmatos to come in and finish it off.
27:35
Joe: And he was more of a cinematographer, he was more of a visual guy.
27:39
Joe: He had worked on Sylvester Stallone movies Cobra and Rambo First Blood Part 2, and Kurt Russell was rumored to be the director, but he was only responsible for keeping things on track.
27:51
Joe: Now, there was an article in 2006, and apparently Kurt Russell said, you know, I'm not gonna, I won't tell anybody that you're the director until after you die.
28:04
Joe: So in 2006, there was an article in the True West magazine.
28:09
Joe: So he says, at one time I really knew about why because the movie Tombstone is one that's actually worth talking about.
28:16
Joe: That one that was one time I had gone out and got the money.
28:20
Joe: I backed a director, the director got fired, so we brought in a guy to be a ghost director.
28:25
Joe: They wanted me to take over the movie.
28:27
Joe: I said, I'll do it, but I don't want my name on it.
28:30
Joe: I I don't want to be the guy.
28:32
Joe: I said to George, I'm going to give you a shot list every night, and that's what it's gonna be.
28:38
Joe: I'd go to George's room, give him the shot list for the next day.
28:42
Joe: That was that was the deal.
28:44
Joe: He said, George, I don't want any arguments.
28:46
Joe: This is what it is, this is what the job is.
28:49
Joe: And he goes on to say, I got him from Sly Stalone, called up Sly and said, I need a guy.
28:56
Joe: Sly said, Sly did the same thing with Rambo 2 and uh you know Cobra.
29:02
Joe: And I said, George, while you're you're alive, George, I won't say a thing.
29:06
Joe: And it was the hardest work of my life.
29:09
Joe: Tombstone was so painful, tombstone was so tough, you know what I mean.
29:15
Joe: It was just so painful, it was hard physically to do.
29:19
Joe: I got four hours of sleep every night, and I'm so happy that we got it made.
29:24
Joe: Wow, yeah, and then so that kind of came down to Val Kilmer and Kurt Russell helped edit the movie down from the script that it originally was.
29:35
Joe: And some people say that what they read, like uh Sam Elliott, was this was gonna be like the Godfather Western.
29:44
Joe: Like it was gonna be that epic.
29:47
Joe: Like there was gonna be a lot more character building and things like that, but it got whittled down.
29:55
Joe: Val Kilmer wrote in 2017 in his uh, I think it was the I'll be your Huckleberry book, that Kurt Russell was a major influence in the directing of the this film, and that he was solely responsible for Tombstone's success, no question.
30:12
Joe: A month into production, Kevin Jarr was replaced as director after he became overwhelmed in the duty and fell behind schedule.
30:19
Joe: George P.
30:20
Joe: Cosmatos was brought in and hit the ground running.
30:24
Joe: According to Kilmer, I was there every minute, and although Kurt's vision differs slightly from mine, the one thing he's totally correct about is how hard he worked the day before.
30:35
Joe: For the next day's shot list and tremendous effort he and I put into editing, as the studio Hollywood Pictures wouldn't give us any extra time to make up for the whole month we lost with the first director.
30:49
Joe: I watched Kurt sacrifice his own role and energy to devote himself as a storyteller, even going so far as to draw shot lists to help our replacement director who came in only two days with two days prep.
31:03
Joe: Russell admitted as much in 2006 interview with the True West magazine.
31:08
Joe: So then, you know, so that that's kind of the you know, I guess stigma is that when you break down the the definition of a director, he was a director, but he wasn't the director.
31:23
Joe: And like because he brought he brought the movie into fruition and he was technically part of the pre-production and the production, but once the movie was done, uh Kurt Russell went and shot uh another movie, and it was uh Stargate.
31:41
Joe: So he went and did that.
31:43
Joe: So the editing part of it was done by other people.
31:46
Joe: So kind of the official story is that it was more like a committee directed the movie and brought it all in.
31:55
Joe: And Kurt was very, and you can see this, he was very much about not making him the star because once the star gets control of the movie, it's you know, like right, you know, I don't blame Sylvester Stallone for being the star in his own movies, but you know, if you're somebody like Kurt Russell, who you know has a good reputation and everything, he wants to put other people in front.
32:22
Joe: And so Del Kilmer got a lot of the screen time where he might have had better lines in the movie, but he was like, No, Doc Doc is gonna be more fleshed out, and we're gonna make him more fleshed out, where my character's just gonna be kind of a uh kind of steady, yeah, you know.
32:44
Joe: Um so yeah, a couple of other things about it was Doc how Doc Holliday was a southern aristocrat, uh, hence the accent.
32:55
Joe: He changed when uh he was he changed personally when he was given a death sentence of tuberculosis, so he decided to go and drink and gamble when he was a dentist, but he couldn't do the work anymore because you know he could obviously couldn't cough into people's mouths.
33:10
Joe: Right.
33:12
Joe: Um and then, oh, this is a good story.
33:14
Joe: So Buckaroos were reenactors and they were hired to be extras on the set.
33:20
Joe: Um, they were already trained in horse riding, gunfighting, and brought their own costumes.
33:26
Joe: It's kind of like on a uh current Star Wars movie where they'll just get like the local uh stormtroopers, you know, that are already screen accurate and vetted.
33:37
Joe: And uh so this elevated or this alleviated headaches for the production company and having to train people or train extras and stuff.
33:45
Joe: And there was an extra that came from Montana, and he was told he would they were like, Well, you're gonna have to sleep in a tent.
33:52
Joe: And he said, A tent?
33:54
Joe: I was gonna sleep on my bedroll.
33:58
Joe: Which, hey, if you've grown up in Montana, you you're fine with that.
34:04
Joe: Um so they so they were doing this production at the same time that Kevin Costner was doing his version of Wyatt Earp.
34:14
Joe: And that started off as being a uh miniseries, it was gonna be a miniseries on cable or something, and that changed and got whittled down to a three-hour movie.
34:26
Joe: So they had to butt heads because they were fighting for they were fighting for sets, they were fighting for production, you know.
34:34
Joe: I mean, if you look at the Wyatt Earp movie and the list of the cast that's on there, yeah, that's just as amazing as Tombstone.
34:42
Joe: They it was like anybody who is anybody kind of split and went on.
34:47
Joe: Picked aside, yeah, picked aside, and so so because the uh every Western costume was being used up for Wyatt Earp, it forced them to have to go to Europe for the actual clothing that they would they would wear, and so uh Val Kilmer said that um Kevin Jar insisted that the actors wear real wool costumes in accordance with the time period.
35:16
Joe: Um so Val Kilmer was sweating for real.
35:19
Joe: Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
35:21
Joe: Yeah, that was real.
35:22
Joe: In the birdcage theater scene, Kilmer says a thermometer on the set read 134 degrees Fahrenheit.
35:29
Joe: Oh my goodness.
35:30
Joe: Kilmer suggested jokingly that the reason Doc Holiday killed so many people, it's just like he wore wool in the summer in the Arizona territory and that made him mad.
35:44
Dylan: So yeah, when I get too hot, I also will lose my cherub-like demeanor.
35:49
Dylan: Yeah.
35:49
Joe: So exactly.
35:51
Joe: Yeah.
35:52
Joe: Oh yeah.
35:55
Joe: We'll uh save the behind the scenes of that for the Patreon.
36:01
Dylan: Oh so is like Tombstone versus the other Wyatt Earp movie, uh-huh, is one of them credited to be more like historically accurate than the other?
36:13
Joe: Or yeah, I would think that if you had to like, I was even gonna try to watch uh Wyatt Earth before this too, just to get a sense.
36:22
Joe: Yeah, and I've seen it before, and to be honest, they're just like so.
36:27
Joe: Dennis Quaid plays Doc Holiday, and I love Dennis Quaid.
36:32
Joe: Like, I hope to cover some of his movies, but he just was not Val Kilmer.
36:36
Joe: Yeah, like Val Kilmer just did so much method acting with you know with the with prep and everything that uh he had a voice coach that taught him the accent, and you know, he went to the voice coach and was like, Do you have anything with a southern aristocrat?
36:55
Joe: And he goes, Yeah.
36:56
Joe: And so he had this tape that he would listen to, and the guy would talk very slow, you know, and so he had to, you know, he had to make the lines work where you still felt like it was kind of slow, but it was still southern draw.
37:14
Joe: Yeah, so yeah, it so I I just feel like when I compared the two, um tombstone is also um not boring.
37:28
Joe: It it it keeps going, it the pace is really good, you know.
37:32
Joe: Um, and I've heard people say it's not, but I really feel like there's really no downtime.
37:37
Dylan: Like you yeah, I felt like the pacing was good on it.
37:40
Joe: Yeah, you hit the ground running with like you know the Mexican wedding and right, you know, like just everything.
37:47
Joe: So meeting the cowboys, yeah, meeting the cowboys, like being introduced to them right away, and then you know they the herps come into town, and yeah, it's just the lumin.
38:00
Joe: Yeah, yeah.
38:01
Dylan: Man, I am so glad that the cowboys were kind of the bad guys in it.
38:09
Dylan: Yeah, because when it started off with that first scene, and you know, they just shot up everybody and then ate their dinner, yeah, yeah.
38:19
Dylan: I was I was kind of thinking to myself, I was like, man, I really hope we don't have to like root for these people.
38:26
Dylan: Yeah, yeah, these aren't the good guys, right?
38:29
Joe: Yeah, yeah, but they're good bad guys.
38:32
Joe: That's the thing about like I love Kevin Bean and all the movies that he's in.
38:37
Joe: Like he just again, that parallel of Doc Holiday versus you know, Ringo is like just they are the almost the same, but they're different, you know.
38:48
Dylan: Yeah, yeah.
38:50
Dylan: Well, and like kind of the the Latin dual off, yes, you know, between Ringo and Doc Holiday.
38:57
Dylan: Yeah, it's like where'd you even pull that from?
39:00
Dylan: You know, it's still good.
39:02
Joe: Sounds like Ringo's an educated man.
39:07
Dylan: All right, Joe.
39:08
Dylan: So what's some of your favorite scenes from this movie?
39:12
Joe: Um you know, I was thinking with that opening scene how he sets up the uh what the priest says and talks about the four horsemen in Revelation and and all that, where he at the end the end line of that is um, and hell is coming with him.
39:31
Joe: And then later on, when uh Wyatt goes on his his you know you know murder rant or whatever.
39:39
Dylan: His crusade.
39:40
Joe: Yeah, his crusade, he says that, and hell is coming with me.
39:44
Joe: You tell you know, he tells them you tell them I'm coming and hell is coming with me, you know, and it it kind of brings that back, yeah.
39:53
Dylan: So wow, just comes full circle, right?
39:58
Dylan: Yeah, I think my favorite scene would be any scene with Doc Holliday.
40:04
Joe: Yeah, yeah.
40:05
Joe: Yeah.
40:07
Joe: Did you so the scene where Doc pops out and challenges Ringo, and he's like, oh, I was only fooling about, you know, uh, which is the name of Michael Bean's podcast.
40:20
Joe: Um did he did he seem scared to you?
40:25
Joe: Doc or uh Johnny Ringo.
40:29
Joe: Or did did you feel like did you feel like he was scared at all or he was just ready to to throw down?
40:37
Dylan: I felt like he was ready to throw down, but definitely nervous about it.
40:42
Joe: Yeah, okay.
40:43
Dylan: That's kind of the vibes that I got from it.
40:45
Joe: Okay.
40:47
Joe: Yeah, they talked about that in one of the podcasts with Michael Bean in it, and he said that a lot of people think that he was scared, and he was kind of just going for the yeah, let's get it on, you know.
40:58
Joe: Yeah, like the look in his eyes, and you know.
41:02
Joe: Um that that was yeah, it's an interesting take on it.
41:06
Joe: And and I was like, I guess I can see that, but I really feel like he just was like, let's get it on.
41:12
Joe: Like, I don't care who it is, yeah, you know.
41:17
Joe: And then, you know, his whole, I want your souls and I want your blood, and I'm what I'm now.
41:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, calm down here.
41:27
Joe: Yeah, yeah.
41:29
Joe: Yeah, Curly Bill's like, ah, he's just joking, you know.
41:35
Joe: Um, so in that scene, there's this whole Huckleberry versus Huckleberry bearer debate, which is a modern take on things, and it's kind of been defunct, and like I wanna say that to clear it up, you know, because a lot of there's some, you know, you know, people get on the internet and start talking about stuff they don't know about.
41:58
Joe: Oh, really?
41:58
Joe: Yeah.
42:02
Joe: You know how that goes.
42:04
Joe: But so there's a lot of people saying that that he was actually saying Hucklebearer and not Huckleberry.
42:11
Joe: And Val Kilmer in his book said, you know, the long-standing Huckleberry Hucklebearer debate.
42:18
Joe: Um he claims the line was really written as Huckleberry in the script, and you can even see that in the caption uh on the movie.
42:27
Joe: It says Huckleberry, and it just means like I'm your man, uh, you've met your match, that kind of thing, you know.
42:34
Joe: So I and yeah, Huckleberry would that doesn't make sense.
42:40
Joe: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
42:41
Joe: So it's you know, it's one of those debated things, but I feel like with Val Kilmer, you know, and a lot of the actors who came out and talked about a lot of these things, you know, they're the ones who are on set, they're the ones who were part of it.
42:54
Joe: There's no, you know, yeah.
42:57
Joe: And looking at the historical things that Kevin Jar did to to write it was, you know, as authentic as they can get, you know.
43:05
Dylan: So yeah.
43:07
Dylan: I think another favorite scene of mine is the the final duel between Doc Holiday and Johnny Ringo?
43:22
Dylan: Is it Johnny Ringo at the very end?
43:27
Dylan: Um yeah, I thought so.
43:31
Joe: I thought it was the guy in red.
43:33
Joe: Oh, that that's why versus uh curly bill.
43:37
Joe: When White Herp goes out into the river, he's like, no.
43:42
Dylan: Oh yeah, yeah.
43:43
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
43:44
Dylan: Yeah.
43:45
Dylan: The that scene was really good because I liked how they framed it of kind of the the shootout and using all of the terrain and foliage and stuff to hide.
44:00
Dylan: And you know, with the river going through it.
44:03
Dylan: Yeah.
44:03
Dylan: Like, I just thought the like framing of that shot was so good.
44:08
Joe: Yeah, like when uh Michael Rooker is is like just hiding behind a tree stump, like laid down and barely covered.
44:18
Dylan: I mean, hey, whatever, whatever cover you can get.
44:20
Joe: Whatever coverage they could get.
44:22
Joe: Yeah, it that is an epic scene, and a lot of people are feel like, oh, that's that was just a Hollywood thing.
44:28
Joe: And that was a story, one of the stories that was passed down, uh thing of thing of legend that he actually did that.
44:36
Joe: So and he was never shot in historically, White Earth was never hit.
44:43
Joe: Really?
44:44
Joe: Yeah.
44:44
Joe: Uh okay, Corell.
44:46
Joe: That that that like there's not a lot of dialogue.
44:52
Joe: And the eyes, like I think we're talking about Thomas Hayden Church, like his eyes and everything, like it was written, like his eyes go cold dead, and you could see that.
45:03
Joe: Like the the like they're talking between each other, and right when Doc Holliday winks at him, it's like that triggers all these cues kind of come around, and and you know, they do shots to every single person.
45:21
Joe: Yeah, all of the subtleties, and yeah, and then you know Thomas Hayden Church, his eyes kind of, you know, they show his eyes, and then uh Doc Holiday winks at him, and then it it like his eyes open up, yeah, and then and why it's like, oh my gosh, yeah, and then they just go ham.
45:43
Joe: Yep, yep.
45:45
Joe: And I love that scene because it's so choreographed so well, and even with uh um uh when Stephen Lang as Ike Clanton comes out, and you know, he's he's uh dipping his head in the water, and then he sees what's going on, and he puts his hands up.
46:03
Joe: I'm not armed, I'm not armed, and he you know such a coward.
46:06
Joe: Yeah, such a coward, should have been shot from the get go.
46:10
Joe: Yeah, he was I don't know.
46:14
Joe: I think Johnny Tyler had more guts than he did.
46:17
Joe: Yeah.
46:19
Joe: But you know, and then he runs into the to into the I don't know what it that was, like a brothel or something.
46:28
Joe: Yeah, whatever was there, and he gets a gun and you know, he starts shooting and everything, but it's just you know, why it tells him, you know, get to fighting or get out of here, you know.
46:39
Joe: So it's just the way he plays that is just such a a great scene, you know, with all of that going on and essentially his brothers die, you know.
46:51
Joe: Right.
46:52
Joe: So family, family.
46:55
Dylan: Tom Toretta would be so upset.
46:57
Dylan: Yeah, yeah, he would.
47:00
Dylan: All right, let's get into some of the behind-the-scenes nuggets.
47:04
Dylan: Got anything else good for us?
47:06
Joe: So a cool thing that I I saw is you know, on the list of people who were in production was Catherine Hardowick was the production designer on the movie.
47:18
Joe: So she came up with the sets and all that, and she would go on to direct 13 Lords of Dogtown and The First Twilight.
47:27
Dylan: Huh.
47:28
Joe: Yeah.
47:28
Joe: So she went from production designer to a director.
47:32
Joe: That's that's cool.
47:33
Joe: Pretty awesome.
47:34
Joe: You know, I recognized her name.
47:36
Joe: I was like, that's not the same, Catherine Hardwick.
47:41
Dylan: You recognized her from the Twilight.
47:43
Dylan: Exactly.
47:44
Joe: I didn't we'll cover that movie later.
47:49
Joe: When it came out, it didn't get good reviews at all.
47:53
Joe: Uh it was kind of it was one of those movies where two movies of the same kind of genre and the same story were coming out.
48:02
Joe: Yeah.
48:03
Joe: So the crowd was kind of divided between it and it didn't start picking up till home video.
48:09
Joe: And interesting.
48:11
Joe: Yeah.
48:12
Joe: And it was played, you know, over and over on TV or HBO or you know, any of those.
48:18
Joe: And uh Tombstone only came in at number 86 in the top movies of 1993.
48:26
Dylan: Really?
48:27
Dylan: Yeah, wow.
48:28
Joe: I just can't believe that.
48:29
Dylan: It's crazy.
48:32
Dylan: And how many, like, how many movies have we done that it's like they didn't really take off until they hit you know whole movies.
48:43
Dylan: Yeah.
48:44
Dylan: And it's like, man, these days you just wouldn't have that.
48:48
Joe: Yeah, I never would have thought that Tombstone was an underdog, you know?
48:53
Joe: Like, I just yeah, it's such a good movie.
48:56
Dylan: Just with all of the streaming right now, like you just don't get the movie purchases right.
49:04
Joe: Yeah, yeah.
49:05
Joe: It's like the market is saturated with movies.
49:08
Joe: Right.
49:09
Joe: It's Michael Bean said he never actually met Val Kilmer.
49:14
Joe: Val was in character most of the time, and that the producer prompted them to rehearse the final gun scene.
49:23
Joe: And so they both collaborated and went to the set and worked it out and everything, but he was still in character the whole time.
49:33
Joe: So it was just kind of awkward at times, which I get, you know, you you gotta kind of throw yourself into it.
49:41
Joe: But right, he said, yeah, they got out of the cars, got in there.
49:45
Joe: There was no, hey, how you doing, Michael, or how you doing, Val?
49:48
Joe: It was just yeah, straight to it.
49:50
Joe: Straight to it.
49:51
Joe: Yeah.
49:51
Joe: Michael Bean and Bill Paxton appeared in the Lord Lords of Discipline, The Terminator, the first one, Aliens 86, and Navy SILS 1990.
50:03
Joe: And this was their fifth and final appearance on screen together.
50:07
Joe: Huh.
50:08
Joe: Yeah.
50:08
Joe: Yeah.
50:09
Joe: Bill Paxton's awesome.
50:11
Joe: Yeah.
50:13
Joe: Um, Val has a signature trait.
50:16
Joe: Um, he'll move things through his fingers, and in Top Gun, he's sitting in, you know, that outside classroom that they have, and he's twirling a pen.
50:28
Joe: And in this movie, he's twirling a coin.
50:32
Dylan: Okay.
50:35
Joe: There's different perspectives on the on the fight at the OK Corral and how it went down.
50:40
Joe: It was noted that the ERPs said they went down to disarm the cowboys, but the sheriff actually said they were disarmed.
50:47
Joe: So, like in real life, he said they're disarmed.
50:50
Joe: Yeah.
50:50
Joe: So it's more likely that they went down there to fight, yeah, not just disarm them.
50:57
Joe: Yeah.
50:58
Joe: And I feel like the movie gives a good perspective.
51:01
Joe: I've I definitely feel torn between them actually uh, you know, for breaking the law versus enforcing the law.
51:10
Joe: Right.
51:10
Joe: You know.
51:12
Dylan: Um yeah, sometimes they seem to use that line like a jump rope.
51:18
Dylan: Right.
51:18
Dylan: A little bit.
51:18
Dylan: Yeah, let's go.
51:19
Joe: Yeah.
51:20
Joe: Um, Doc Holiday's wink was a total um just improv from Val Kilmer.
51:27
Joe: Yeah.
51:28
Joe: Yeah.
51:29
Joe: Which is so great.
51:30
Joe: Okay.
51:32
Joe: Um, when the when the ERPs first enter tombstone, a grave marker in the cement says, Here lies Lester Moore, four slugs from a 44, no less, no more.
51:44
Joe: You pointed that out.
51:45
Joe: Yeah.
51:47
Joe: Uh real life tombstone in tombstone, Arizona with that epitaph has been on display for at least 60 years.
51:53
Joe: Lester Moore was a Wells Fargo agent murdered in Naco, Arizona in 1880 by Hank Dustin.
52:00
Joe: Dustin also died in the fight and was buried in Naco.
52:06
Dylan: Yeah, I I had to laugh when I saw that.
52:09
Dylan: I was like, oh hey.
52:11
Joe: Yeah.
52:12
Joe: One of the things that that I I like is that when they show up in the train, they they come in on train 5150.
52:22
Joe: Okay.
52:22
Joe: Which is kind of like a callback to crazy train.
52:24
Joe: Like they're all getting on the off the crazy train and they're all getting back on the crazy train.
52:29
Joe: Oh.
52:29
Joe: Because 5150 means crazy, basically.
52:32
Joe: Okay.
52:33
Joe: So it it was also like I don't and I don't know if that was real, but it it's definitely a funny kind of gag if it's what they meant, you know.
52:50
Dylan: So what do you think like the cultural impact of the movie Tombstone was?
52:58
Joe: Man, uh, I know that it it it changed tourism in Tombstone.
53:04
Joe: Yeah.
53:04
Joe: Like they weren't happy, you know, initially the people there weren't happy that they're in general.
53:09
Joe: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
53:10
Joe: Because it's hot.
53:12
Joe: I don't blame them.
53:13
Joe: But they weren't happy that it was being swarmed with Hollywood people and uh oh, they're gonna take over the town, kind of like in Montana right now.
53:23
Joe: But uh but then when it came out and you know, people started go going to Tombstone, that brought a lot of, you know, that just made it such a tourist, you know, place that they, you know, they are banking in on it now, you know, kind of like Virginia City and other places that you can go to and experience the old west.
53:44
Joe: Yeah.
53:45
Joe: So I really feel like it had an impact in even the sense of people going back and checking the historical facts of the movie or writing books about Wyatt Earp again and Doc Holiday and you know, all of that stuff.
53:59
Joe: Like that that really, you know, helps for the culture, yeah.
54:08
Joe: It is on my top Val Kilmer, you know, defining moments.
54:12
Joe: Yeah, you know.
54:14
Joe: Yeah, I you know, I keep forgetting he was Batman at one point.
54:20
Joe: Uh oh, really?
54:21
Joe: Mostly because it wasn't a great movie, but um yeah, he was Batman.
54:26
Joe: But uh I really feel like this one was like it's like between this and Iceman.
54:31
Joe: I don't know.
54:32
Joe: Uh yeah, he just um the uh the other thing is this is a movie that's probably one of the most quotable movies out there, yeah.
54:41
Joe: Like it just I you know, you probably heard me as we were watching, I was just quoting it.
54:47
Joe: Yeah, you know.
54:50
Joe: So after seeing Tombstone, is it the legendary Western everybody says it is?
55:05
Dylan: I would have to say so.
55:06
Dylan: Yeah, I mean I can't think of a more better Western.
55:12
Joe: Yeah, yeah, I know.
55:14
Joe: It there are good ones out there.
55:17
Joe: Um I just the cast, man.
55:22
Joe: I can't even say I want to say Kurt Russell, but like then there's Val, and then there's Michael Bean, and then they're you know, like everybody is just on their game.
55:32
Joe: Yeah, you know, even if they're a minor character, Billyb Thornton, Johnny Tyler, you know, like that was just he just played such a goof in that, you know, like it just made it uh so uh yeah, I'm I'm in the same boat.
55:48
Dylan: Yeah, I would say out of ten, I would have to probably give it.
55:56
Dylan: I'd probably give it a nine.
55:59
Joe: Okay, yeah.
56:00
Joe: I'm right there, yeah.
56:04
Joe: That's why we're gonna go watch it again after we're done here, right?
56:09
Dylan: Yeah, I mean it just it just sells it.
56:12
Dylan: Yeah.
56:13
Dylan: With with all of the sets and the the clothes.
56:18
Dylan: I you can't ask for better.
56:20
Dylan: Yeah.
56:21
Dylan: You know, the cast.
56:22
Dylan: Yeah, man, it's just good.
56:24
Joe: I know.
56:25
Joe: If someone challenged you to a duel, are you picking Doc or Wyatt?
56:29
Dylan: Oh, Doc for sure.
56:32
Dylan: Yeah.
56:33
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57:17
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