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EPISODE 57: Deadly Pens: Authors Who Committed MURDER!!! · The WritersWeekly Podcast

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SPEAKER_03: And today, since we are going to be talking about murder uh for uh home office, Angela has a story for everybody.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So when we lived in Florida, my now ex-mother-in-law, who I adore, was visiting us, and she loves true crime stories.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So we turned on Snapped, the series, and we start watching it.
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SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden, wow, the lady they were talking about.
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SPEAKER_01: I knew her.
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SPEAKER_03: Really?
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SPEAKER_01: Do you do you know any people who've murdered somebody?
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SPEAKER_03: No.
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SPEAKER_03: No.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, you probably met someone you're a cop, but anyway.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So uh never had the pleasure.
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SPEAKER_01: Her name is Rhonda Glover, and I knew her in high school.
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SPEAKER_01: My best friend in the world is Grazia.
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SPEAKER_01: And Grazia's brother was dating Rhonda Glover.
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SPEAKER_01: So we would all hang out at Grazia's pool every day.
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SPEAKER_01: So I knew her, but I can tell you that I'm really not afraid of anybody, but she kind of scared me.
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SPEAKER_01: There was just something about her that seemed, I don't know, scary.
4:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
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SPEAKER_01: So she went on to be a beauty queen in Texas, hooked up with a rich oil guy.
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SPEAKER_01: They had a kid together.
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SPEAKER_01: And uh you have to watch that episode of Snapped.
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SPEAKER_01: I'll put a link to that under this episode as well to see everything that happened.
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SPEAKER_01: But one day she went into the ex-boyfriend's house and was waiting for him and filled him full of lead and got in an RV with their kid and took off and got caught in another state just a few days later.
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SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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SPEAKER_01: Um she's been in jail for a very long time.
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SPEAKER_01: And Pierce Morgan also interviewed her.
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SPEAKER_01: I just saw that the other day.
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SPEAKER_01: That this is so weird.
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SPEAKER_01: I couldn't sleep in the middle of the night, so I was listening to my tablet and I was listening to true crime stuff.
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SPEAKER_01: And all of a sudden popped up in my earbuds the interview, Pierce Morgan interviewing Rhonda Glover.
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SPEAKER_01: So I picked up my tablet so I could watch it as well.
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SPEAKER_01: And the light from my tablet woke you up.
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SPEAKER_03: So Andy's making me a little bit nervous because when we when we took our little trip down to Florida, um, all the way there and all the way back, um, we listened to the Crime Junkie podcast, which is very it's I think it's the most popular one, yeah, um, crime podcast on the circuit right now.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, we listen to a lot of stories about disappearances and and murders.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And um, I don't know, a a lot of a lot of killings have been going on by crime junkies lately, and Angela can't get enough of true crime stuff on her on her tablet.
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SPEAKER_03: Every time I see her, she's watching some other true crime story on uh on video from somewhere.
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SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize how many people get murdered in this country every year.
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SPEAKER_01: It's a lot.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm having trouble falling asleep at night.
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SPEAKER_03: Just kind of you know.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh Rhonda Glover is up for parole next year, 2027.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, it ain't Rhonda Glover, I'm necessarily worried about.
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SPEAKER_03: She doesn't know me.
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SPEAKER_03: So many, so many stories about wives killing their husbands.
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SPEAKER_03: There are a lot.
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SPEAKER_03: There's a lot.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to be a good boy.
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SPEAKER_01: When they snap.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, this is episode number 57, and I titled it Deadly Pens Authors Who Committed Murder.
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SPEAKER_01: I think it's a really good title.
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SPEAKER_03: You did you like that?
6:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do like that.
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SPEAKER_03: Um now, why did we come up with this?
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SPEAKER_03: Did we, you know, did we just pull this out of our butt?
6:55
SPEAKER_03: Well, no.
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SPEAKER_03: Um there is a recent story um circulating through the news now.
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SPEAKER_03: If y'all haven't heard it, maybe you have heard it about the House of Horrors in Philadelphia.
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SPEAKER_03: Have y'all heard that one?
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SPEAKER_01: I heard about it.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, they are they are still investigating, they're digging through, trying to find evidence.
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SPEAKER_03: And I'll I'll give you the rundown real quick.
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SPEAKER_03: And it's interesting that I'm seeing so much of about about it in just like the last week or two because it all started back in June and it's already September.
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SPEAKER_03: I heard nothing about this in July.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, but back on June 19th of this year, a park ranger stopped a BMW along the 600 block of Market Street in Philadelphia.
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SPEAKER_03: Now, the driver was a guy named Eugene Horsch, H-O-R-S-C-H, and there was a um woman in the car with him who has yet to be identified.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, she was alive.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, good.
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SPEAKER_03: Inside the vehicle, the ranger found two illegal handguns, approximately eight thousand dollars worth of illegal drugs, and Horsch was carrying a false DE agent eight uh identification.
8:12
SPEAKER_03: Uh that's that's a bad combination right there.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, maybe he if he got pulled over, he could just tell the cop, yeah, I've got a bunch of drugs, but I'm with the DEA.
8:21
SPEAKER_03: I'm not sure that's what he was doing.
8:23
SPEAKER_03: But anyway, um the woman, when she was asked to identify herself, she produced an air an ID that identified her as Blair.
8:33
SPEAKER_03: Well, actually, it was an ID for someone named Blair Tonzelli.
8:38
SPEAKER_03: Well, this woman was not Blair Tanzelli.
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SPEAKER_03: Blair Tanzelli was a 35-year-old um who disappeared in 2023 and has been missing all this time.
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SPEAKER_03: So that led investigators to go uh search Horsch's residence.
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SPEAKER_03: Now he's being held on the drug charges, the weapons charges, and I believe the feds are involved in the carrying that false identification of a DEA agent.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sure.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, so they started searching the house uh in the 400 block of West Chu Avenue in Philadelphia.
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SPEAKER_03: Now, um I'm gonna give you a little information before we go on with what happened there.
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SPEAKER_03: Eugene Horsch is the son of a guy named H.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horse.
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SPEAKER_03: I think that's his R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_01: Horse.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry, R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsh.
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SPEAKER_03: R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsh died last year at age 82.
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SPEAKER_03: Now, R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsh was a pornographer.
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SPEAKER_03: He liked to take photos and videos depicting bondage, strangulation, and death scenes.
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SPEAKER_03: What could be wrong with that?
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SPEAKER_03: Um R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: was charged and imprisoned after a 2009 drug raid uh of his home, and they uncovered an illegal marijuana grow operation.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, they're into all kinds of stuff.
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SPEAKER_03: Now in 2006, he had transferred the ownership of that home to his son Eugene.
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SPEAKER_03: Now, why does all this have anything to do with our topic today?
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SPEAKER_03: Well, RC actually had written a book.
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SPEAKER_03: Angie, you want to tell us a little bit about that book?
10:28
SPEAKER_01: That book was published back in 2014, so it's been on the market for 12 years.
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SPEAKER_01: It was published by CreateSpace, which is owned by Amazon.
10:37
SPEAKER_03: Oh, Amazon.
10:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: It's now called Amazon KDP, but it was previously called Create Space.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm certain they changed the name because there were so many bad reviews about it online, but now there are tons of bad reviews about Amazon KDP as well.
10:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh Amazon KDP excuse me, Amazon was previously heavily criticized for publishing a book that taught people how to groom children for sexual.
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SPEAKER_03: And we taught we spoke about that in a previous episode, which we will link to.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is the problem with companies that pretty much publish anything and everything.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, what was the book that R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsh wrote?
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SPEAKER_01: It's called Empathy: The Memoir of an Empathetic Serial Killer.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, that's an interesting book to write if you're a pornographer who likes to take pictures of girls tied up and strangled.
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SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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SPEAKER_03: So there are some interesting connections between what they're finding in that home and this fictional novel that H.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsch wrote about being a serial killer.
11:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and by the way, you cannot buy that book anymore.
11:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they took it down real quick.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, Amazon did, but it still has some listings elsewhere, but it'll say out of print.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
11:53
SPEAKER_01: Well, they took it down.
11:54
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna become a cold now.
11:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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SPEAKER_03: Um so investigators have found tons and tons and tons of digital photos and videos.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, of course, the guy was a did this for a living.
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SPEAKER_03: He was taking dirty pictures.
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SPEAKER_03: But one uh video described by the police shows Raymond H.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsh.
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SPEAKER_03: R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsch.
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SPEAKER_02: I know the R looks like an H.
12:26
SPEAKER_03: Uh, that's Eugene Horsesh's late father with a woman who used drugs before being handcuffed to a bed.
12:36
SPEAKER_03: And investigators said the woman appeared to lose consciousness after a zip tie was placed around her neck.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: Well, that'll do it.
12:44
SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, so on one of the page one of the things that he wrote in the book on page 118 of Empathy, Horsch describes giving a woman drugs, chaining a woman to the bed, and choking her to death.
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SPEAKER_03: Um they have this video of this same guy giving a woman drugs, handcuffing to her a bed, wrapping a uh zip tie around her neck and tightening it down with what they say will look like a pair of vice grips or something, and she appears to lose consciousness.
13:19
SPEAKER_03: Authorities are still trying to determine whether the video depicts an actual assault or something that was staged for RC Horses adult films.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's the hard part, is so many of these things look real, but this was this guy's genre.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's hard to tell what's you know what's real and what's was staged.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: I just don't understand why anybody watches anything like that.
13:46
SPEAKER_03: They are also finding a bunch of barrels of some kind of chemical that they still have yet to um identify.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: I bet lie is in one of them.
13:56
SPEAKER_03: And in his book, RC discusses uh disposing of bodies using lye.
14:06
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
14:07
SPEAKER_03: So um very interesting.
14:09
SPEAKER_03: So so that's not all there is.
14:13
SPEAKER_03: They have connected seven missing women to this house.
14:19
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so police have said seven missing women have been connected to the house over a span of more than a decade.
14:25
SPEAKER_03: Gabrielle Arm uh Amarondo was in her early 20s when she disappeared in 2012.
14:33
SPEAKER_03: And in a Facebook post, her mother said that our Amarondo suffered from, quote, a drug addiction she couldn't escape.
14:41
SPEAKER_03: And citing digital evidence, police believe Armando to be deceased.
14:48
SPEAKER_03: They're not saying what digital evidence, they're not saying why they think she's deceased, but it's interesting that they this is having to do with the search of the house.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_03: Citing digital evidence, police believe she is dead.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: You mentioned something about the guy who was, you know, pulled over and he had all those drugs in his car.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: And maybe they were out looking for drug addicts, female drug addicts.
15:13
SPEAKER_03: Well, the thing is, there's a there's a there's a common theme here.
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SPEAKER_03: All these women who are missing were also drug addicts.
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SPEAKER_03: And it was uh in one of the articles that I read, it said that that RC Raymond, the father, would go and find women who are instead of going out and paying women with K with money to pose for him, he would find these women who were addicted, heavily addicted to drugs, and give them drugs and you know, in exchange for posing for dirty pictures.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay.
15:45
SPEAKER_03: Um so it's kind of interesting that this this guy, this his son's running around with a badge that says he's a DEA agent, and he's got a bunch of drugs in the car and guns.
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SPEAKER_03: Allegedly.
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SPEAKER_03: And his his passenger has the ID of one of these missing women.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: So a uh Maribel Fresus was in her early 20s when she was reported missing in 2018.
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SPEAKER_03: And again, citing digital evidence, police believe that this girl is dead.
16:22
SPEAKER_03: There was a girl named Ali uh Amy McHale in her mid-40s when she disappeared in 2016.
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SPEAKER_03: She was married to Raymond Horsch before divorcing him.
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SPEAKER_03: Her daughter told the press that McHale was actively using heroin and receiving methadone treatment at the time that she vanished.
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SPEAKER_03: According to her daughter, her daughter, uh, McHale was last seen at that house.
16:52
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
16:53
SPEAKER_03: Nicole Fussaro disappeared in 2018 at the age of 27.
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SPEAKER_03: A family member told NBC 10 investigators that uh police believe they have videos showing R.
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SPEAKER_03: C.
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SPEAKER_03: Horsch, Raymond, strangling her.
17:12
SPEAKER_03: Fussaro was last seen near Kensington and Allegheny Avenues, which is which are about four miles from the Chu Avenue home.
17:21
SPEAKER_03: Uh, while police have not named her publicly, Fussaro is one of the women investigators suspect is dead, according to her family.
17:31
SPEAKER_03: Uh Blair Tanzelli, she's the one that had the I that the girl was carrying her ID.
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SPEAKER_03: She was 35 when she disappeared in 2023.
17:45
SPEAKER_03: And then police say that a sixth woman who would uh appear to be about 25 years old in a recording is believed to be deceased.
17:53
SPEAKER_03: Uh authorities declined to release her identity at her family's request, and a seventh woman identified only as Jane Doe, also appears to be deceased in the evidence.
18:05
SPEAKER_03: And her identity remains unknown, although investigators estimate she is in her late in her twenties.
18:12
SPEAKER_03: Boy, that's so that's where it looks like they got a lot of evidence.
18:15
SPEAKER_03: That's where the investigation uh is at this point.
18:19
SPEAKER_03: Police aren't really giving out any more information.
18:22
SPEAKER_03: Um, wouldn't it be just creepy as hell that if if the father was a serial killer killer and the son kind of kept going with it?
18:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that would be weird.
18:32
SPEAKER_03: I mean, that man, that's that's movie material right there.
18:38
SPEAKER_03: So, with this in mind, we decided hey, let's look up how many authors have committed murder.
18:44
SPEAKER_01: Well, we're just f featuring a few today because there's been plenty.
18:47
SPEAKER_03: There's a lot of them.
18:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
18:48
SPEAKER_03: So let's let's start with Ann Perry.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, Ann Perry uh wrote uh mystery, uh wrote over 30 mystery and crime novels, uh, and many of them were British bestsellers.
19:04
SPEAKER_03: Now she was actually born Juliet Holm.
19:09
SPEAKER_01: H-U-L-M-E.
19:10
SPEAKER_03: H-U-L-M-E.
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SPEAKER_03: Holm.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: She just died three years ago.
19:14
SPEAKER_03: And yeah, she was born October 28th, 1938, and she died April 10th, my dad's birthday, 2023.
19:22
SPEAKER_03: She was born in London.
19:24
SPEAKER_03: Her father was a physicist, and his name was Harry Rainsford Holm.
19:30
SPEAKER_03: He was uh she was diagnosed with tuberculosis as a child.
19:36
SPEAKER_03: Uh so she was very sick.
19:39
SPEAKER_03: And because of that, she wound up living in the Caribbean, South Africa, and New Zealand because of the warmer climates.
19:47
SPEAKER_03: Back then, they thought that tuberculosis was helped with either warmer, drier climates, uh altitude, that kind of stuff.
19:53
SPEAKER_01: Well, I didn't live back then, but I've I've heard about that.
19:55
SPEAKER_03: And at 15 years old, she committed murder.
20:00
SPEAKER_01: Wow, who'd she kill?
20:01
SPEAKER_03: Well, I'll get to that.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
20:04
SPEAKER_03: So her her dad had taken a job um as rector uh at of the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, New Zealand.
20:14
SPEAKER_03: And Juliet attended Christchurch Girls High School and had a best friend named Pauline Parker.
20:24
SPEAKER_03: Now in 1954, Juliet's parents were separating and they were making plans to send her to live in South Africa to live with relatives.
20:34
SPEAKER_03: And the two girls were like bestest, bestest buddies and didn't want to be separated.
20:40
SPEAKER_03: Uh, they wanted Pauline to be able to travel to South Africa with Juliet.
20:45
SPEAKER_03: Um, Pauline all, however, didn't believe that her mother, whose name was Honora Parker, would let her go.
20:54
SPEAKER_03: So they decided to kill her.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: Just wow.
21:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, crazy.
21:01
SPEAKER_03: Well, um Holm, um uh Ann Perry later said that she felt that she owed Paul owed Pauline a debt because Pauline was such a good friend.
21:12
SPEAKER_03: She was the only person who had written to Juliet um when she was hospitalized and had threatened to commit suicide if Juliet didn't help her get rid of her mother.
21:24
SPEAKER_01: So Oh, that okay, that makes sense.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: If you don't help me kill somebody, I'm just gonna kill myself.
21:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
21:30
SPEAKER_01: That makes all kinds of sense.
21:34
SPEAKER_03: On June 22nd, 1954, uh, the two girls uh and Honora took a walk in the park, and Juliet drops a decorative stone on the ground so that Honora would bend over and pick it up.
21:49
SPEAKER_03: And once she did that, Pauline pulls out a brick in a sock.
21:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've seen that in the movies.
21:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and hits her mother over the head with it, and then the two girls took two.
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SPEAKER_03: turns bashing her upside the head with a brick and because they they thought one hit was gonna do it but she didn't she didn't die after one hit you know they never do it they keep wiggling 20 over 20 hits with that brick wow in the face and the head and the girls uh when she was finally not moving anymore the girls run into a tea shop where they had actually been eating just a little while earlier they're covered in blood build up their their strength and they run in there and they claim that Honora had fallen down and hit her head.
22:35
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah that makes all kinds of sense however the the evidence didn't quite look that way she fell down and hit her head 20 times yeah right um and the police found the weapon uh nearby the girls were tried and found guilty on August 28th 1954 um now again the murder happened um on June 22nd they were tried and found guilty on August 28th that's too much that's a quick trial they didn't waste a bunch of time there yeah um they were too young to get the death penalties so they were sentenced to be quote detained at her majesty's pleasure you know they do everything polite over there they sure do then that even that I mean I I don't I almost feel like that was oh well I'm a guest of her majesty I mean yeah um sounds kind of like an open-ended sentence to me um they both spent five years locked up and they were released separately and then um home never saw Perry again.
23:46
SPEAKER_03: Well I understand why yeah and then uh Holm Juliet Holm received a new identity upon her release the uh apparently I guess in New Zealand if you're I don't know if it's because you're a juvenile or because so you can get a new start but they give you they they gave her a new identity Hillary Nathan well she wound up publishing her first novel she she moved back to London.
24:11
SPEAKER_03: Okay and she published her first novel called the Cater Street Hangman in 1979.
24:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah under the pen name Ann Perry uh she went on to become prolific and successful mystery writer selling more than 26 million copies um and nobody knew about the murder you know what until people had known about the murder probably would have sold a lot more copies well in 1994 out comes a movie directed by Peter Jackson called Heavenly Creatures which was about the murder wow um journalists start digging in trying to figure out the truth behind this movie and they find out who it is and and uh and complained a little bit about oh my god I spent all these years with this new identity and everybody loved me and now I had to turn around and answer all these questions about this stupid murder that happened so many years ago um but it didn't affect her reputation at all her books still sold wow so um I will not be buying any of her books and she died happily ever after yeah so jeez all right so you want to do the next one for me Lewis okay Althusser Alt Althusser Althusser okay Althusa we're gonna call him Lewis Lewis Lewis Althusa okay uh he was born in Algeria in 1918 his father was a successful banker he had a French mother younger and a younger sister who also suffered severe depression oh he was um he was bipolar and had severe depression uh episodes wow you know when a you've watched three thousand two hundred and forty seven you know documentaries about murder like I have is that does that become a uh well a uh there's there's two things one is mental illness yeah and another is uh extremely abusive childhood yeah I I didn't find anything about an abusive childhood on this one apparently he was raised right okay so he was a good student right yeah and uh he was uh described as brilliant yeah and an author that wrote about him um a a book called The Man Who Didn't Exist by Lewis Kirshner and Kirshner describes him as actually a brilliant student.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: Wow okay uh Aldhusser Husser Lewis uh expressed a sense of lacking quote an authentic existence of my own now again that that tells me there's some mental illness going on there.
27:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah he felt disembodied and unreal that's me first thing in the morning uh death was inscribed in me from the beginning he writes I wanted to destroy myself at any price because from the start I did not exist.
27:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah and that's from his book called The Future Lasts a Long Time.
27:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah Althusser wrote that book he later became a Marxist communist philosopher he joined the French Communist Party in 1948 he met Helene Reitman Legoshian in 1945.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: Good job thanks probably wrong uh they let they later got married in 1976.
27:42
SPEAKER_03: She was a Jewish woman of Russian descent she was a communist militant and a veteran of the French resistance in World War II yeah so if you thought all the French resistance people were good guys uh nope not all of them but a bunch of them were commies um so so he it looks like he he he found his his soul mate another communist yeah and they got married and and and had a happy life what happened well in 1980 November of 1980 he contacted his friend and physician Pierre Entienne I took French in high school oh yeah and stated that he had strangled his wife strangled his wife but there were no signs of a struggle that's that's interesting.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: But he admitted he did it yeah so in February of 1981 this is only three months later yeah yeah it's amazing how quick you get to go to court in Europe.
28:40
SPEAKER_01: Right uh French court dismissed the case under Article 64 of the French penal cold code you know I can never read the word penal without laughing.
28:50
SPEAKER_03: Well I'm sorry it's I I why are you laughing?
28:57
SPEAKER_01: Because it sounds like penis.
28:59
SPEAKER_03: Okay every time I read that word I just I just want to make sure nobody says the other word inside my head okay she's not laughing at me folks she's laughing at the fact that penal sounds like penis.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: Right yeah okay all right you know my sense of humor okay uh so um the court dismissed the case declared he was legally unfit to stand trial not criminally responsible because of insanity so okay you know I think people that kill other people I think they're all insane in some way or another.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: It's just if they if they planned it ahead and they knew it was wrong but they went ahead and did it anyway but I think you gotta be pretty darn crazy to want to kill somebody.
29:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:37
SPEAKER_03: You know what's in what I can't figure out is how do you how do you make your living as a quote philosopher well I mean what you you probably have to be on food stamps.
29:47
SPEAKER_03: Well I mean what do you yeah how do you who pays you to be a philosopher?
29:53
SPEAKER_03: People stick quarters in your ear and you tell them what they what you think I mean well I I don't know how you make a living like that.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: He turned his philosophy into books didn't he yes he did he wrote several books.
30:03
SPEAKER_01: Yep four marks marks M-A-R-X we know what that means four marks reading capital Lennon and philosophy there you go and the future lasts a long time you know that I like that title because of what he said earlier in life that he wasn't really here.
30:21
SPEAKER_03: Yeah he he actually uh wrote that after killing his wife and many people say that that that um gave a great insight into the workings of a a disturbed mind.
30:35
SPEAKER_03: Oh wow because he went very deep into describing how things felt and and what his realities were and some of them weren't really in touch with reality.
30:46
SPEAKER_03: But yeah some people say that was actually uh you know really valuable book for looking into mental illness now here's something that I found that I that that I thought was uh kind of interesting um when you when you put it up against things that we're dealing with today.
31:03
SPEAKER_03: This is an article abstract from a book that was written actually it was a I'm sorry it was an article that was written um by somebody who was looking at the fact that this this guy got off on insanity right yeah um and the the abstract of the article is this it offers a look at the assassination in 1980 of Helene Reitman Legoshin by her partner Lewis Anthusor then a famous Marxist philosopher the goal is to grasp the political significance of this murder and the public discourse about the killer's psychology which tended to absolve him of his responsibility or even to justify the murders based on feminist analysis of discourse about male violence against women the article reviews the social content French patriarchy in 1970 and 1980 before discussing the phenomenon of male solidarity and protection in favor of a man who murders his partner but also but who has strong social and cultural capital.
32:14
SPEAKER_03: Particular attention is paid to the maneuvers by which the murderer and his friends and allies managed to position him as a victim and to evacuate the real murder victim.
32:25
SPEAKER_03: Interesting how the feminist back then had such a problem with somebody murdering his wife and getting off on insanity when we have so many right now celebrating that a woman just killed her children and got off on insanity.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Right.
32:42
SPEAKER_03: Well hasn't gotten off yet but they really want her to well make up your minds right um do you want people to get off on sanity or not moving on Nancy Compton Brophy Crampton Crampton I said that uh that wasn't even a hard one to pronounce she was the daughter of two lawyers in Wichita Falls Texas and she was born on there she was born on uh June 16th 1950 she graduated the University of Houston oh my gosh I've been to Wichita Texas and I went to the University of Houston I swear this is not about me see I'm st I'm I'm getting more nervous by the minute well her very first work was a pamphlet that she wrote for the university titled Between Your Naval and Your Knees oh did you did you read that no oh okay no and I'm not going to about the changing mores of sexuality in the 60s and 70s now she she also wrote several other books uh one was called Hell on the Heart uh she wrote a series of books uh called things like the wrong brother the wrong hero the wrong cop the wrong husband the wrong lover the wrong seal um and apparently the I guess the series was kind of tit was was labeled wrong never felt so right uh sounds really poor they were kind of kind of romance intrigue kind of things um you want to talk about her husband Daniel Craig Brofi pronounced it perfectly he was born in 1954 in Valley City North Dakota my dad's in North Dakota was a chef started as a culinary instructor at Oregon Culinary Institute okay our daughter and son-in-law both used to be I'm moving out that's it our daughter has two culinary degrees for my own safety I'm moving out of the if if I'm dead in the next week or so folks and our son-in-law used to be an executive chef at a five star restaurant anyhow and he always if I disappear in the next week y'all know what happened so weird okay in on June 2nd of 2018 students arrived to find Daniel dead in a kitchen with two gunshots what students mystery um he was in a culinary instruction oh that's right sorry I started talking so at his culinary school students walked in and there he is dead on the floor dead on the floor in the kitchen two gunshots Nancy told police she had walked the dogs and had a shower that morning nothing else investigators found traffic camera footage that showed her driving to and then departing from the culinary school during a 13 minute window when the homicide happened well now how does she explain that you know one of the uh series I listened to was called Killers colon killers caught on camera it's on prime it's free on prime and uh all these cases that were solved based on cameras that are everywhere and do you know they have way more cameras in Europe than they do here.
36:04
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah they're all over the place everywhere yeah everybody has one all over their house the outside of their homes and stuff so so the investigators come to her she says oh yeah this morning well I walked my dogs and then I had a shower and that's all I did but then they have video of her car driving to and leaving the university so what did she full of lead right uh so well of course she amended her story they always do when they get caught on camera and said she had no memory of such a drive and that she was likely on a coffee run that she forgot about due to the stress of the day's events.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: This is another common theme when they get caught they say I just forgot I can't remember or they claim amnesia.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: Oh and then they they say I just you know my brain just flipped and there is a real thing like that but you know they a lot of the defense attorneys try to use that.
36:54
SPEAKER_01: Interesting so gets better investigators also found that she'd purchased a slide and barrel for a Glock handgun on eBay.
37:02
SPEAKER_03: Now what's the what's the significance of that?
37:06
SPEAKER_01: Well you know when they pull the bullets out of a body and they can figure out what kind of gun it came from and everything.
37:12
SPEAKER_03: What kind of gun did it come from?
37:13
SPEAKER_01: Glock.
37:14
SPEAKER_03: Oh he was shot with a glock we'll go figure.
37:17
SPEAKER_01: Right so uh yeah they they confirmed he was shot with a glock.
37:22
SPEAKER_01: Nancy said the gun components were for research on a new novel involving a woman who carefully acquired gun parts but you know what that was pretty creative.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: Just just just so happy research to write a novel um not surprisingly and this is another common theme Daniel had a$1.4 million dollar insurance policy and they owned a$3000 home.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: Now there's something called you can't profit from your crime you know when when you get caught and convicted you don't get that that insurance settlement that goes to somebody else you're not getting a penny for your for your comma comma what's it called in the jail when you buy underwear and stuff commissary yeah yeah commissary fun you don't get it and you also wouldn't believe how many of these killers they call the insurance company within hours after they kill somebody I mean within hours not a clue.
38:12
SPEAKER_03: Right yeah so um what what makes Nancy so so famous here?
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Seven years before her arrest Nancy wrote an essay titled how to murder your husband for the website C Jane published that was not allowed in trial as evidence.
38:29
SPEAKER_03: It should have been you gotta you can't help but wonder okay seven years was she really thinking about it that long maybe or did it is it is this strictly a coincidence she was she was she was convicted of uh second second degree murder oh come on that was premeditated that was first degree all the way second degree murder on may 5th 2022 and she resented of received a sentence of 25 years to life explain to people what that means um minimum of 25 years and your your um sentence could go all the way to life so it's after 25 years they consider you for parole consider for patrol per for parole.
39:17
SPEAKER_03: Yeah yeah okay and she might get denied so basically it's a life sentence but you have to do 25 years of it before they consider you for patrol right for parole.
39:27
SPEAKER_03: I believe she is now dead good yeah I think she died recently okay I can't believe I didn't put that in there well if she's still alive maybe she'll email us and you know yeah give us more of the facts and you know well I'd love to know when she wrote how to kill your husband if she was she'll never tell now this guy I like this guy's name I'm gonna mispronounce him on person person per on purpose purpose thank you Richard Klinkhammer it's I think it's Klinkhammer it's it sound sounds it sounds like I'm watching a Hogan's Heroes uh episode Richard Klinkhammer wait did he use a hammer well in a minute wait a minute okay okay okay so um Richard Klinkhammer was a Dutch crime fiction writer a crime fiction writer yeah born uh he was born March 15th 1937 I wonder if he was just sitting there writing those about those crimes and fantasizing about killing people while he was writing you gotta wonder yeah you gotta wonder I mean you know like the arsonist they always say you know look in the crowd of people watching a fire and usually you're gonna find the arsonist right yeah they come back to and you gotta wonder if this is the same kind of thing as people writing out crime because they're actually fantasizing about crime right yeah and they're just working themselves up to it you know yeah um in 1991 uh his wife uh henel Hanalore Hanolore maybe went missing from their home in Honoridge Wolf Honoridge Wolf um a year later a year later Klinkhammer writes a manuscript detailing seven ways that he might have killed his wife who does this make you think of one uh oh yeah OJ OJ Simpson writing the book If I done it did it right then he just described how he did it so well this guy decided to write about if he did it and one possibility he mentioned was disposing of her body by running her through a mincer which I just read ahead which I assume is like a grinder yeah yeah uh and and then feeding the flesh to pigeons um he presented that to his manuscript he presented that to his publisher and the publisher's like uh nope no that's too gross well um he immediately became the primary suspect of his wife's disappearance he was questioned several times over the next several years he was even detained once but they never really could could lock anything in so in 1997 uh eight years later later for that um he uh he sold his house and he moves to Amsterdam with a new girlfriend and in Amsterdam you know big city uh his manuscript kind of circulates around the Dutch underground press and he kind of becomes a minor celebrity and starts hitting all the the writers parties and stuff like that you know the signings and stuff yeah whatever you know um well in so he sold his house he sold his house okay in 2000 the new occupants of the house started a renovation on the garden area oh we know where this is going and they decided you know that garden shed out there we don't need that out there anymore so they tear it up and pull up the concrete floor what do you think they found there Angie bones human bones they found the skeletal remains of his wife wow so uh he was arrested and charged with his wife's murder uh he confessed uh clearly he didn't run her through a mincer because they were able to find the bones uh and he didn't feed it to anything he didn't feed it well I don't I don't know I don't know how much flesh was left on the bones when she got buried in there you know and and I actually didn't find uh how he how he killed her but uh he was arrested and charged with his wife's murder which he confessed to and they sent him to sentenced him to seven years in prison.
43:56
SPEAKER_03: Only seven I know well it was second degree.
43:59
SPEAKER_03: So
44:00
SPEAKER_01: Dang.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: I don't know what they called it, but yeah.
44:03
SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm moving to Holland or yeah.
44:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:07
SPEAKER_03: Dutch land.
44:08
SPEAKER_03: Um Dutchland.
44:10
SPEAKER_03: Where they'll only they'll only uh sentence me to seven years if I murder somebody and bury them under a garden shed.
44:16
SPEAKER_03: Man.
44:17
SPEAKER_01: I was uh listening to an episode this morning while I was working, and um this guy killed two of his kids.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: He and his wife both killed two of their own kids, and they were kidnapping women and taking them to the house and murdering them, and yeah, and they were they just kept putting more and more cement on the basement floor once they put another body there.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: But they found um one I think she was twelve or fourteen.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: Uh they later went the the city raised the entire building because it was just such a a nightmare for the whole town.
44:49
SPEAKER_01: And when they did that, they found uh their daughter buried under their front porch.
44:54
SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
44:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:58
SPEAKER_03: So um Klinkhammer later died in uh January of 2016.
45:04
SPEAKER_01: Never figured out if he used a hammer or not.
45:06
SPEAKER_03: No, we didn't.
45:07
SPEAKER_01: Darn made a better story.
45:09
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, wow.
45:11
SPEAKER_03: Um okay.
45:13
SPEAKER_03: Christian Bala, not to be mistaken with Christian Bale.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: Christian Bala.
45:19
SPEAKER_03: Christian is spell his his name his name spelling is interesting.
45:24
SPEAKER_03: K-R-Y-S-T-I-A-N Christian Bala.
45:28
SPEAKER_03: Um he's Polish and he was born in 1974.
45:35
SPEAKER_03: He's a self-published writer and photographer.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: Of course he is.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
45:39
SPEAKER_03: Now um they find this this this guy, uh, I'm gonna do the best I can here.
45:49
SPEAKER_03: Darius uh Janizowski.
45:53
SPEAKER_01: Darius Janizowski.
45:55
SPEAKER_03: Darius Janizowski.
45:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he did good.
45:57
SPEAKER_03: He was a small business owner in Roe Claw, Poland.
46:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and they find him floating around in a lake.
46:05
SPEAKER_03: Now for three years, uh, this was this was an un unsolved murder.
46:11
SPEAKER_03: Cold case.
46:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, cold case.
46:13
SPEAKER_03: Nobody could figure anything out, right?
46:15
SPEAKER_03: But later, a detective finds a few sensible or a few uh physical clues that linked the murder to Bala.
46:24
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
46:25
SPEAKER_03: Right.
46:26
SPEAKER_03: Um But then they looked at a novel that Bala wrote in 2003.
46:34
SPEAKER_01: That was what three.
46:40
SPEAKER_03: Right.
46:42
SPEAKER_03: And it was uh as if Bala had written a quote fictionalized version of the real life killing into his novel, using information that only the murderer would have known in that case.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because in most cases the police don't reveal all the evidence that they found.
47:00
SPEAKER_01: They and they wait for somebody to mention it later and then they go, Oh, you did it.
47:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:04
SPEAKER_03: So he put these details in a book.
47:08
SPEAKER_03: And the cops are like, wait a minute, we never told anybody about that.
47:12
SPEAKER_03: Right.
47:12
SPEAKER_03: How does he know this stuff?
47:14
SPEAKER_03: So the case drew widespread media coverage in Poland and and resulted in uh increased sales of the novel as readers looked for clues in the novel of the real life events.
47:29
SPEAKER_03: Well, prosecutors believe that the motive for the killing was tied to jealousy because um Bala had hired a private investigator to spy on his wife and found out that she went out on a date with Janizki.
47:42
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so the businessman hired a PI.
47:45
SPEAKER_03: Nope, nope.
47:46
SPEAKER_03: Okay, businessman goes on a date with the author's wife.
47:50
SPEAKER_03: Okay, little little secret side thing.
47:52
SPEAKER_03: Okay, author suspicious of wife gets a private investigator.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: Private investigator catches the two on a date, comes back to the to the client and says who's the author, says, Hey, yeah, your wife's hanging around with this guy.
48:08
SPEAKER_03: Oh, and this guy's now then he's found floating in a in a lake.
48:12
SPEAKER_03: So um now in 2007, while Bala was in prison, an appeals court ordered a retrial of the case, and in December of 2008, Bala had a new trial, but was again found guilty and continued to serve a 25-year prison sentence.
48:32
SPEAKER_03: Now he's working on a second novel tentatively titled uh D Lyric.
48:40
SPEAKER_02: D-E.
48:41
SPEAKER_02: L-I-R-Y-K.
48:44
SPEAKER_03: Lyric.
48:45
SPEAKER_03: Uh police report evidence found on his computer showed that he had plans for killing a new victim to tie in with his second novel.
48:56
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you'd think you'd learn the first time.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: Well, he was probably working on that before he got arrested.
49:01
SPEAKER_03: Probably.
49:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
49:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
49:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, probably.
49:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
49:04
SPEAKER_01: But uh they need to keep him in prison for the year.
49:06
SPEAKER_03: They just need to, yeah, he they need to add to that 25 years.
49:09
SPEAKER_01: Right.
49:09
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
49:10
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
49:12
SPEAKER_03: In China, there was a crime fiction writer.
49:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, let me do it.
49:18
SPEAKER_03: You want to do it?
49:19
SPEAKER_03: Go ahead.
49:19
SPEAKER_01: Liu Yangbo.
49:21
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
49:22
SPEAKER_01: Liu Yang Bao.
49:24
SPEAKER_03: Liu Yong Bao.
49:26
SPEAKER_03: His name's Liu.
49:26
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
49:27
SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, it's Chinese.
49:28
SPEAKER_03: It's probably something like Yong Bao.
49:31
SPEAKER_03: But anyway.
49:33
SPEAKER_03: Um.
49:35
SPEAKER_03: He was born in May on May 10th, 1964.
49:39
SPEAKER_03: And um, he is since deceased.
49:42
SPEAKER_03: We'll explain that in a little bit.
49:45
SPEAKER_03: Um he was the he was a native of Nanling County.
49:55
SPEAKER_03: On Hui Province.
49:56
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
49:57
SPEAKER_03: All right.
49:58
SPEAKER_03: Lu Yungbao uh became obsessed with writing while in junior high school.
50:04
SPEAKER_03: And after graduating from junior high school, he returned home to farm and later ran a photography studio in his village.
50:12
SPEAKER_03: Um now in 1985, he published his debut work in the Journal of Future Writers.
50:19
SPEAKER_03: Now, all of this stuff, all these things are Chinese um organizations and stuff.
50:25
SPEAKER_03: So I'm just kind of running down a quick list.
50:27
SPEAKER_03: Okay, go ahead.
50:27
SPEAKER_03: I don't know how famous this really is, but you know, apparently he made a name for himself.
50:33
SPEAKER_03: Um in 1994, he published the short story Youthful Sentiments in the renowned literary journal Quing Ming Magazine.
50:42
SPEAKER_01: Well, that almost rhymes in English.
50:44
SPEAKER_03: Qing Ming Magazine.
50:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
50:47
SPEAKER_03: Um in 2005, his collection of short and medium-length stories called A Movie.
50:54
SPEAKER_03: That's not very original.
50:55
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's kind of weird.
50:56
SPEAKER_03: Uh, was published by the Writers Publishing House, which brought him great acclaim in China.
51:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, in November 2014, uh Liu Lingbao, uh Yangbao, um his 250,000-word historical novel, The Pilgrim Wu Song, was published by Anwaii Normal University Press.
51:23
SPEAKER_03: Just doesn't there's nothing normal about that, is there?
51:26
SPEAKER_03: Doesn't really have a ring to it.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Nope.
51:28
SPEAKER_03: The following year it was adapted into a script for a 50 episode television series.
51:33
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
51:34
SPEAKER_01: I guess it I guess it did very well.
51:36
SPEAKER_03: Um, so here's here's where I mean it's it sounds like he was doing pretty good.
51:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
51:43
SPEAKER_03: But in the summer of 1995, uh, apparently he he was having some financial difficulties.
51:52
SPEAKER_03: And so um he decided to hook up with an old friend of his, Wang Wing Ming.
51:58
SPEAKER_01: You know, Wang is another one of those words that always makes me laugh.
52:01
SPEAKER_03: Why does it make you never mind um so um Lu Yongbeo and Wang Wing Ming uh due to financial difficulties conspired to go to Zili Town in Hu Zhao, Hu Zhao City in the Xi Zizhang province.
52:28
SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna stop trying to pronounce any of it.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just say in some province.
52:31
SPEAKER_01: In some province in China to commit robbery.
52:34
SPEAKER_03: Now they recruited a couple of other uh couple other guys, uh Wang Mobao.
52:40
SPEAKER_01: Two guys named Wang.
52:42
SPEAKER_03: Um I'm sorry, a fellow townsman, so one guy.
52:45
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
52:46
SPEAKER_03: And the three men carried daggers.
52:49
SPEAKER_03: I didn't even know they had daggers nowadays.
52:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
52:53
SPEAKER_03: Anyway, um, to that town, but they failed they they didn't find anybody that that they thought was a suitable target to rob, so they didn't rob anybody, right?
53:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then late November of the same year, Lou and Lou went to Shanghai, I can pronounce that one, and found Wang, who was working on a construction site, and proposed going to Zilly Town to commit robbery.
53:15
SPEAKER_01: On November 28th, Wang and Liu came to Zilly Town, Ho Zoo City again.
53:21
SPEAKER_01: After checking into room 203 of the Minji Hotel Inn on Shengzi Street, New Street in Zillytown, they discovered that their roommate, a Shangdong merchant named Yu Mufeng.
53:36
SPEAKER_01: That guy was deceased.
53:38
SPEAKER_03: So so apparently, um, yeah, don't I'm sorry, don't worry about the deceased at this, because everybody else in the story is gonna be deceased in a minute.
53:45
SPEAKER_00: Right.
53:46
SPEAKER_03: Um so I guess in in this particular quote, hotel, you share rooms.
53:52
SPEAKER_03: Um so they were sharing a room with some guy, and I guess in their discussions found out he was a merchant who was there to collect debts.
54:04
SPEAKER_03: Collect debts.
54:05
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
54:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
54:05
SPEAKER_01: All right.
54:07
SPEAKER_01: So then they decided to rob the guy of his money.
54:11
SPEAKER_01: The next day, Wang and Lou went to the street and bought a claw hammer and a length of nylon rope.
54:17
SPEAKER_01: You know.
54:18
SPEAKER_03: So there's your hammer.
54:20
SPEAKER_01: That's another thing with all the surveillance now.
54:22
SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
54:23
SPEAKER_01: It seems like every single person who murders somebody goes to Walmart and is caught on camera.
54:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, ropes, yep.
54:32
SPEAKER_03: Which is this is crazy that that this happened in in China.
54:38
SPEAKER_03: And you're gonna find out that it took them a while to s to solve this.
54:42
SPEAKER_03: But go ahead.
54:43
SPEAKER_01: So let late that night when uh the victim was sound asleep, Wang struck the victim's head and face several times with the hammer.
54:52
SPEAKER_01: Subsequently, Lou also took the hammer and struck his face several times his head several times.
54:58
SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, because they never die the first hit.
55:00
SPEAKER_01: They never do.
55:01
SPEAKER_01: And he died of a cranioserebral injury.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: You know, I I can't pronounce anything Chinese, but I can cranioserebral.
55:08
SPEAKER_01: The two men found only found only a little over 21 in cash on his body.
55:14
SPEAKER_01: So they decided to continue robbing the innkeeper under the pretext of settling the bill.
55:20
SPEAKER_01: Wang lured the innkeeper, Min Mu Sheng, who was staying in the adjacent room 202.
55:26
SPEAKER_01: I wonder if he heard what had gone on a few minutes before that.
55:30
SPEAKER_01: The two men bound him, his hands with the nylon rope, stuffed a towel in his mouth, and robbed him of a gold ring.
55:37
SPEAKER_01: Then Wang struck the guy's head and face dozens of times with the hammer, causing him to die of severe cranial cerebral surgery.
55:45
SPEAKER_01: Injury, sorry, injury.
55:47
SPEAKER_01: Afterwards, uh Wang entered room 202 and demanded money from the guy's wife.
55:53
SPEAKER_01: Gee.
55:55
SPEAKER_01: When she did not comply, he struck her and her grandson on the face and head with the hammer, causing both of them to die.
56:02
SPEAKER_03: Their grandson was uh 12 years old.
56:04
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
56:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
56:06
SPEAKER_01: Uh they then Lou and Wang searched room 202 together and found over a hundred yon in cash, and then they fled.
56:15
SPEAKER_01: And almost twenty-two years after the crime, investigators caught a break that helped them identify Lou and a 65-year-old man named only as Wang, and they were the prime suspects.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: Police did not fully explain how they'd tracked down the two men.
56:30
SPEAKER_01: Dang it, I was wondering I wanted to know.
56:39
SPEAKER_03: Right.
56:39
SPEAKER_01: So uh but but the newspaper reported that advances in DNA technology had played a role in their capture.
56:46
SPEAKER_01: The China Daily said that in their quest for justice, investigators had analyzed about 60,000 fingerprint samples.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's why it took 22 years.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
56:56
SPEAKER_01: We just answered our own questions.
56:58
SPEAKER_03: Well, that and the fact that they had never committed a crime before, uh, accord according to the story here, you know, they they just up and decided to rob people all of a sudden because they were having money troubles.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: Right.
57:09
SPEAKER_01: You know, it makes all kinds of sense, right?
57:11
SPEAKER_03: Um, I'll I'll finish this up here.
57:13
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
57:13
SPEAKER_03: So on the morning of December 20th, 2018, the Xijiang Provincial High People's Court publicly heard the appeal case of the defendants um Wang and Liu on charge of robbery in in Huzhou.
57:28
SPEAKER_03: Now, their justice system is a little different than ours.
57:32
SPEAKER_03: So it's not like you go to trial, they find you guilty, and so you file an appeal, there's another trial, and it's like you get the trial, they find you guilty, and then some legal scholars get together and discuss it for a little bit, like maybe that day or that week.
57:53
SPEAKER_02: Right.
57:53
SPEAKER_03: And they decide for themselves whether or not the the the verdict was proper.
58:01
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
58:02
SPEAKER_03: And that's your appeal.
58:03
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
58:04
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then and then they come back and tell the court, yeah, we agree with your ruling, right, yeah kind of thing.
58:10
SPEAKER_03: It's not it's not on and on and on.
58:12
SPEAKER_03: Um so after receiving the Supreme People's Court's criminal ruling, the Hu Zhou Intermediate People's Court of Xijiang Province announced uh announced it to Wang and and Lu, and on the afternoon of October 22nd, 2019, now it was December 20th of 2018.
58:38
SPEAKER_03: They were sentenced to death and they were executed on October 22nd, 2019.
58:46
SPEAKER_01: Ten months.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:47
SPEAKER_01: They don't they don't let people sit on death row for 35 or 40 years like that.
58:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
58:52
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
58:52
SPEAKER_03: It's march you out to the back of some building and put a bullet in your head.
58:56
SPEAKER_03: Hold on just a second.
58:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh so there was an executive order signed by the president of the Supreme People's Court, and Lou was executed.
59:04
SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, I I I don't know.
59:07
SPEAKER_03: It doesn't it this was actually a a translated account from a Chinese website.
59:14
SPEAKER_03: Okay, all right.
59:15
SPEAKER_01: So I So we're not sure what happened to Wang.
59:17
SPEAKER_03: Don't know what happened to Wang.
59:19
SPEAKER_01: He probably got executed too.
59:20
SPEAKER_03: Probably, yeah, yeah.
59:21
SPEAKER_03: Lou and Wang are are done for.
59:23
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
59:24
SPEAKER_03: So um yeah.
59:27
SPEAKER_03: He was a prominent author in in China, but just had some money trouble, so he decided he needed to go kill some people and take their money.
59:38
SPEAKER_01: Sounds like he had a spending problem.
59:39
SPEAKER_03: Could be a spending problem.
59:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if he'd kept himself on a budget, he probably wouldn't have had to kill anybody for pocket chains.
59:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
59:44
SPEAKER_03: You want to uh go over these uh these last several.
59:47
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we got we got just some quick ones to go through.
59:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh Michael Peterson.
59:52
SPEAKER_01: Boy, that's a standard name, isn't it?
59:54
SPEAKER_01: There's probably thousands of Michael Petersons in the United States.
59:57
SPEAKER_01: That's unfortunate.
59:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
59:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh he was convicted of murdering his wife, but had been granted a retrial.
1:00:03
SPEAKER_01: It may be the case that he murdered another woman in Germany in the mid-80s.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh wow.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:00:07
SPEAKER_01: He wrote a few novels.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_01: The Immortal Dragon, A Time of War, A Bitter Peace, Charlie Two Shoes, I may have heard of that one.
1:00:14
SPEAKER_01: And Marines of Love Company.
1:00:17
SPEAKER_01: And uh Jack Henry Abbott, and this is in Wikipedia, we'll we'll provide links to everything under this episode at writersweekly.com slash podcast episode 57.
1:00:30
SPEAKER_01: Although this is a case of a killer becoming an author, after discovering Abbott's writing talent, Norman Mailer, everybody knows everybody author knows that name, successfully advocated for his release from prison within six weeks of release, Abbott killed him.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_03: You just can't trust anybody.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_01: I can't.
1:00:49
SPEAKER_01: Nope.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh author Ben Johnson killed a man in a duel.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_01: He pled guilty but got off by a technicality.
1:00:58
SPEAKER_01: How do you get off when you plead guilty?
1:01:01
SPEAKER_03: You plead guilty and then there's a technicality.
1:01:04
SPEAKER_01: Also, uh Hunter S.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_01: Thompson was accused of killing one person.
1:01:07
SPEAKER_03: Wow.
1:01:08
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
1:01:09
SPEAKER_03: Well, uh that wraps that up.
1:01:12
SPEAKER_01: Hey, if anybody if anybody, any of you know somebody who's killed somebody, go to writersweek.com, click on the contact us link, tell us all about it.
1:01:22
SPEAKER_03: Especially if they're an author.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:01:24
SPEAKER_01: We want to hear about it.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_01: So let us know if we can quote you on this episode.
1:01:29
SPEAKER_03: I don't like that look in your eye.
1:01:31
SPEAKER_03: You're you're having too much fun with all this.
1:01:33
SPEAKER_01: It's fascinating.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
1:01:34
SPEAKER_01: It's fascinating because you know, you're sitting there watching it and you're watching them pull all the clues together, which isn't there.
1:01:40
SPEAKER_01: It's like building a puzzle and putting a puzzle piece to puzzle together.
1:01:43
SPEAKER_01: But you're also me, anyway, watching how many stupid mistakes these murderers make.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_01: They are not the brightest bulbs in the bunch.
1:01:54
SPEAKER_03: Man, I get you know, it's gotta be something wrong with you if you're gonna be able to do it.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_01: Slapping my forehead repeatedly.
1:02:01
SPEAKER_01: Why did you do that?
1:02:02
SPEAKER_01: That was stupid.
1:02:04
unknown: Man.
1:02:06
SPEAKER_03: Well, that's it for authors who committed murder.
1:02:12
SPEAKER_03: Um deadly pens.
1:02:13
SPEAKER_03: Hope you liked it.
1:02:14
SPEAKER_03: Hope you liked it.
1:02:15
SPEAKER_03: That's it's it's uh it's it's interesting to you know that yeah, that somebody who aspires to writing.
1:02:23
SPEAKER_03: I I guess we're as humans, we're just we're we're we're stuck thinking that there are certain professions out there that would put you above doing something horrible.
1:02:33
SPEAKER_03: And no, there's nothing out there.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_03: Every there's there's been a killer in just about every profession out there.
1:02:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
1:02:39
SPEAKER_03: Doctors, lawyers, just everybody.
1:02:42
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:02:43
SPEAKER_03: I guess uh if the right thing snaps in your head, you can you can do it.
1:02:47
SPEAKER_03: True.
1:02:48
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I still don't like that look in your eye.
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1:04:44
SPEAKER_01: Where's the hatchet?
1:04:47
SPEAKER_03: I'm losing.