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Breakfast Bonus: Sam Whitelock · Toni, Jase & Sam - Breakfast Catchup

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  Speaker 1: The Coast Breakfast Bonus Podcast with Tony Jason, Sam.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to our Breakfast Bonus podcast. Today we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about the most kept All Black of all time,
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  Speaker 2: not just talking about him, but talking with him, Sam Whitelock.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a new book out called View from the
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  Speaker 2: Second Row, and I'll be honest having a flick through.
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  Speaker 3: He is not Hellberg.
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  Speaker 4: No, he's had quite a view that he's contained for
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  Speaker 4: quite some time.
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  Speaker 5: It was an educational interview as well, because we found
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  Speaker 5: out what scrum toe was.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we also found out he used to idolize Richie
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  Speaker 2: McCall before he became his captain.
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  Speaker 3: He was his captain in the Crusaders. He was the
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  Speaker 3: boss of Richie mccaugh.
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  Speaker 2: But when you first met Richie McCall, Sam didn't go
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  Speaker 2: so well, did it.
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  Speaker 6: No, it's one of those ones that no one really
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  Speaker 6: knew this story. And when Dylan was interviewing me, I
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  Speaker 6: was like, I better actually put this in here because
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  Speaker 6: it's one of those ones.
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  Speaker 7: You know, you meet your heroes all those.
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  Speaker 6: Things, and I go to catch a water bottle, drop it,
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  Speaker 6: it goes everywhere and you just see him look at
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  Speaker 6: me like.
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  Speaker 3: Because it was his drink bottle. He was leaning you
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  Speaker 3: because you forgot to bring yours.
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  Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I've just kind of I was love across
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  Speaker 6: the road from Rugby Park and shaw Maitland myself. We've
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  Speaker 6: just kind of like strolled across as yours every eighteen
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  Speaker 6: nineteen year old kidders and just what are we doing
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  Speaker 6: and then being like, okay, we're to train with these guys.
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  Speaker 6: In the first five minutes, I was like, Okay, this
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  Speaker 6: is going to be pretty hard. And then yeah, he's like,
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  Speaker 6: I do you want to drink? Oh, you'll be good,
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  Speaker 6: And it was like one of those Gumby catchers too,
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  Speaker 6: like the old fingers.
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  Speaker 3: I don't worry.
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  Speaker 4: Well, don't worry because anyone that has seen your book,
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  Speaker 4: Richard McCaw has a quote on the front cover, so
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  Speaker 4: they made good in the end. Yeah, Sam, I want
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  Speaker 4: to know why you decided to write a book because
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  Speaker 4: it's a big, big deal, right, because you're kind of saying,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to write a book and I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: tell a little stories that people don't know and potentially
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  Speaker 4: upsets some people. So why did you decide to do this?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, hopefully I don't upset anyone. It was pretty meticulous
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  Speaker 6: around going through it and making sure that I wasn't
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  Speaker 6: throwing anyone under the bus or anything like that. But
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  Speaker 6: the real reason was my grandfather was lucky enough to
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  Speaker 6: play for the All Blacks and fifty three fifty four
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  Speaker 6: and all his test jerseys were worn to club training
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  Speaker 6: by my uncles, so everything was kind of used and loved,
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  Speaker 6: and then that was it. We only really had stories,
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  Speaker 6: and those stories kind of came through my uncles and
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  Speaker 6: aunties and my mum and I would have loved to
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  Speaker 6: been able to go back and read a book or
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  Speaker 6: look at more photos than we have and actually experience
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  Speaker 6: what he did, because what they did in fifty three
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  Speaker 6: fifty four was completely different to what we do now.
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  Speaker 7: So that was kind of one of the major reasons
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  Speaker 7: to put it on.
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  Speaker 6: Paper and kind of explain the challenges, the upst the downs,
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  Speaker 6: some of the things that are a little bit personal
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  Speaker 6: to myself, but actually tell that story so hopefully I
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  Speaker 6: can inspire some young kids out there. Because I never
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  Speaker 6: thought i'd be an all like, I never thought i'd
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  Speaker 6: play professional rugby, let alone go on and have the
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  Speaker 6: career that I've had. But more importantly, I wanted to
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  Speaker 6: be able to give it back to my friends and family.
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  Speaker 6: So pretty cool a photo coming from Nana. She run
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  Speaker 6: to the shop because we're still in France, having any
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  Speaker 6: chance to give her a copy myself, but she's bought one.
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  Speaker 6: She's twenty pages in. She's reading about it, even though
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  Speaker 6: she knows the story pretty well. So it's pretty humbling
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  Speaker 6: to be able to have that experience but share it
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  Speaker 6: with not only friends and family, but also the general
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  Speaker 6: Rugby population.
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  Speaker 5: So Rugby, you know, there's a bit of history of
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  Speaker 5: rugby and your family. You grew up in a rural
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  Speaker 5: setting and you have been described as the you know,
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  Speaker 5: a modern day Colin Meats. So with that rural upbringing,
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  Speaker 5: did you ever do the.
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  Speaker 6: Training on the farm?
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, like carry some sex couple
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  Speaker 3: of sheep?
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  Speaker 7: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Is that the way you trained?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, especially when I was younger, So I think that's
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  Speaker 6: kind of where the farming family thing really set us
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  Speaker 6: up to be successful. So one of four boys at
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  Speaker 6: home on the farm, we got into a little bit
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  Speaker 6: of trouble. So Dad soon learned, okay, give these guys
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  Speaker 6: some jobs to do, keep us busy and occupied. And
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  Speaker 6: I remember when little it was like, right, hey, here's
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  Speaker 6: the little acts. Go cut kindling, and we do that
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  Speaker 6: for hours and hours. Luckily we're still got all our
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  Speaker 6: fingers and probably dodgy there a little bit. But what
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  Speaker 6: it actually taught us was around working together, hard work,
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  Speaker 6: and it was something that Dad.
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  Speaker 7: And definitely did for us.
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  Speaker 6: They really installed that working together as a team is
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  Speaker 6: a better way to achieve it. I remember picking up
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  Speaker 6: a whole lot of pine cones. We were fundraising for
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  Speaker 6: our rugby team, and Dad and the rugby team coaches
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  Speaker 6: made us give away all these pine cones to the
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  Speaker 6: netball girls because it was actually not about us. It's
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  Speaker 6: actually about us as people, so being better giving something
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  Speaker 6: to a fellow school team so they could go to
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  Speaker 6: the tournament, and it just kind of set us up.
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  Speaker 6: And that are a lot of the things that I
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  Speaker 6: still go back to now.
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  Speaker 4: I love that I'm going to get my netbook girls
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  Speaker 4: out picking up pine clones after hearing that that's a
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  Speaker 4: cool story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, have you saying any books Sam? We've got
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  Speaker 2: Sam joining us at the moment. The book's called View
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  Speaker 2: from the Second Row, And you say you don't want
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  Speaker 2: upset people writing this book, but only you tell us
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  Speaker 2: a couple of interesting stories about Steve Hanson, which I
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  Speaker 2: don't think many people knew.
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  Speaker 3: Do you reckon you're on this Christmas card list? You okay?
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  Speaker 3: You guys are okay now?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, no, we're great. We can call on all
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  Speaker 7: those things.
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  Speaker 6: It's really hard trying to explain it, but kind of
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  Speaker 6: putting into ten seconds worth, Steve was really really hard
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  Speaker 6: on me, but what he was actually trying to do
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  Speaker 6: was make me better and I probably didn't see that,
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  Speaker 6: and I probably with my own stubbornness, kind of listened
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  Speaker 6: but didn't listen. And the cool thing at the end
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  Speaker 6: of it is, you know, he was the head coach
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  Speaker 6: when I played one hundred test matches for the All Blacks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: so he helped me in his own way. He thought
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  Speaker 6: this was the best way to do it. That I agree,
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  Speaker 6: probably not at times, but the rewards. You know, I
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  Speaker 6: got to play one hundred test matches at the time,
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  Speaker 6: it was the fastest one to keep there and there's
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  Speaker 6: no idea that without him. So it's one of those things,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like sometimes having those hard conversations. You don't
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  Speaker 6: like it at the time, but it's actually is what
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  Speaker 6: is needed, and that's one of the reasons I was
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  Speaker 6: the the player I was because he was hard on me.
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  Speaker 6: He's probably harder on me than any anyone else.
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  Speaker 4: And do you know what, I love that you have
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  Speaker 4: shared that story though, because a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 4: of kids these days, and it's a bit of a generalization,
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  Speaker 4: but I think at the slightest sort of hard word
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  Speaker 4: might be really upset and not carry on. And there's
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  Speaker 4: definitely a bit of a vibe of that when you're
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  Speaker 4: coaching in New Zealand to make sort of model what
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  Speaker 4: he called people a little bit. So I like that
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  Speaker 4: you've shared that and you can see how it was
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  Speaker 4: positive for you hugely.
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  Speaker 6: And I actually had a sit down conversation with them
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  Speaker 6: at one stage at his house. And you know, I
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  Speaker 6: was a young player having to go to the all
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  Speaker 6: black head coach and say, hey, look, you've got to
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  Speaker 6: ease up on me because you're destroying my confidence and
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  Speaker 6: things like that, and to his critics to be okay,
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  Speaker 6: I'll stay away from you, to leave you alone, won't
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  Speaker 6: have a.
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  Speaker 7: Dig at or anything.
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  Speaker 6: And to his created listened and it allowed me to
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  Speaker 6: grow again in the sport. And that was one of
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  Speaker 6: the main things with writing a book.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't want.
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  Speaker 6: To skip over some of those things, some of those
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  Speaker 6: challenges because those challenges, like you say, people face me
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  Speaker 6: every day, whether it's being sport, at work, at at
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  Speaker 6: a job, it's a real world and it can be
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  Speaker 6: pretty challenging as a rugby play because people watching you,
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  Speaker 6: you might have a form slip and there might be
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  Speaker 6: a few things going on at home that are affecting that.
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  Speaker 6: So we are normal people and it's good to share
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  Speaker 6: those thoughts.
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  Speaker 5: Or you might be battling scrum toe? What scrum toe?
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  Speaker 7: Pretty much?
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  Speaker 6: That sounds really bad, but if you've ever had gout,
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  Speaker 6: it's pretty much the same.
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  Speaker 5: As that cause by scrubs.
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  Speaker 7: Just because your toes hyper extending so much.
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  Speaker 6: You're running around on a hard ground with a big
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  Speaker 6: spread roll on your toe and you're pretty much attend
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  Speaker 6: them and that gets inflamed. That sucks really because you
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  Speaker 6: can't scrum, you can't run too well.
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  Speaker 3: But so is that what these rugby players having toe injuries?
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So if you experienced players, because they've been more scrums,
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  Speaker 6: your toe will be able to flix more. With some
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  Speaker 6: of the young guys that they don't have the flexibility
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  Speaker 6: in the big toe. So like for me, being an
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  Speaker 6: older player, my toe flexibility should be better than some
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  Speaker 6: of the young guys because they've just been in more
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  Speaker 6: scrums and put more pressure on it.
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  Speaker 4: Jase saying it was just a stub toe.
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  Speaker 7: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Why I go Graduz.
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  Speaker 6: It's funny to say that though, because one of the
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  Speaker 6: worst thing is when someone stands on your toe because
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  Speaker 6: they've never done it on purpose, and then all, well,
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  Speaker 6: don't put your foot there, and you're like, well it
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  Speaker 6: was there before yours.
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  Speaker 7: To does who.
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  Speaker 2: It's an educational book, you see. It's called A Few
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  Speaker 2: from the Second Row. Samuel white Lock, congratulations on everything.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Coast Breakfast Bonus podcast.
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