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JOCELYN, 12, LURED FROM 7-ELEVEN, STRANGLED, UNCLOTHED IN CREEK: KILLER-SUSPECTS FACE DEATH PENALTY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last days, in the case of a twelve
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Speaker 2: year old, beautiful little girl, Jocelyn Nungary, who loved Harry Potter,
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Speaker 2: raped and murdered, the Harris County District Attorney announces she
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Speaker 2: will seek the death penalty against the men accused of
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Speaker 2: killing little Jocelyn. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Harris County District Attorney
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Speaker 2: Kim oug says her office will absolutely seek the death
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Speaker 2: penalty against two men accused in the rape and murder
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Speaker 2: of a twelve year old little girl. Capital murder charges
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Speaker 2: filed against twenty six year old Franklin Pina and twenty
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Speaker 2: two year old Johann Martinez Wrangel. This after the two
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Speaker 2: men allegedly raped and strangled the little girl, leaving her
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Speaker 2: body in a shallow creek near her home under a bridge,
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Speaker 2: and in the last days, Franklin Pina, one of the
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Speaker 2: two men accused, appears in court. Joscelyn Nungary became a
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Speaker 2: point of debate during the presidential election, but now the
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Speaker 2: election is over and hard reality sets in, it's time
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Speaker 2: for the state to prepare a trial.
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Speaker 3: What happened to little Joscelyn.
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Speaker 2: Jocelyn, just twelve years old, lured from a local seven
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Speaker 2: to eleven, found strangled and unclothed, tied up in a creek.
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Speaker 4: The chief, we're here to share some very horrible news.
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Speaker 4: Someone has taken one of our innocent children, promised today.
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Speaker 4: A twelve year old little girl found her this morning,
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Speaker 4: and we believe somebody did this horrible thing to her,
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Speaker 4: and we are here to ask for your help.
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Speaker 5: I'm like angry that they just they've took advantage of her.
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Speaker 3: She's so young, so he'd took my baby away. Now
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Speaker 3: I get to little brother.
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Speaker 1: No's just ever come.
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Speaker 2: Hold that emotional video of Johnson's mother from our friends Akhou.
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Speaker 3: It all started when we heard this.
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Speaker 6: Listen to find out if anybody knows anything, anybody saw anything,
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Speaker 6: Anybody can share that information so we can figure out
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Speaker 6: what happened to her exactly, and we can find whoever
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Speaker 6: did this and.
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Speaker 4: Get them off the street. I've talked to this child's mother,
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Speaker 4: of course, she is devastated, Her family is devastating. Her
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Speaker 4: little girl's gone, So we need your help.
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Speaker 2: This little girl goes to bed when mommy goes to bed,
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Speaker 2: a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn. Then she sneaks
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Speaker 2: out for what to go about a block to the
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Speaker 2: seven to eleven and call her little boyfriend. That's it,
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Speaker 2: just a phone call. She never came home. This is
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Speaker 2: what more we know.
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Speaker 7: I'm going to talk to you about an incident that
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Speaker 7: happened around six am this morning. A citizen called nine
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Speaker 7: to one one regarding a body seen in the shallow
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Speaker 7: water of the bayou in your four hundred West Brancolin
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Speaker 7: Road in the Houston's North Belt area. Houston's Homicide Division,
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Speaker 7: along with the assistants of the Houston Department's dive team
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Speaker 7: in the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, we're able to
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Speaker 7: recover that body out of the shallow water there. Harris
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Speaker 7: County's Medical Examiner's Office is completing an official identification of
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Speaker 7: the victim.
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Speaker 2: That little twelve year old girl has been murdered, and
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Speaker 2: we believe right by who. According to police, two illegal
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Speaker 2: immigrants also known as non citizen migrants, one of them
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Speaker 2: allegedly cutting off his ankle monitor.
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Speaker 3: After the murder. That's right, let that sink in.
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Speaker 2: One of them cutting off his criminal ankle monitor after
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Speaker 2: the twelve year old little.
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Speaker 3: Girl is murdered.
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Speaker 2: So at the time, this little girl is stripped, tied up,
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Speaker 2: kept under a bridge, being tortured for two hours, lured
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Speaker 2: away from that payphone by these two.
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Speaker 3: There's no other way to say it, animals. He's wearing
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Speaker 3: an ankle monitor. He's already committed a crime.
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Speaker 2: There she is, thinking she's on a real adventure, sneaking
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Speaker 2: to a payphone to call her a little thirteen year
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Speaker 2: old boyfriend to say good night.
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Speaker 3: In the background, the little.
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Speaker 2: Boyfriend hears adult voices to adult voices, who walks up
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Speaker 2: to a little twelve year old girl, lures her away,
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Speaker 2: only to rape and strangle her, strip her under a bridge,
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Speaker 2: and tie her up and then throw her half clothed
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Speaker 2: body into a creek.
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Speaker 3: These two, that's who, Why are they even here?
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Speaker 2: Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now? But have any of you
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Speaker 2: had it with violent crime, especially on children, much less
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Speaker 2: by illegal immigrants that are not supposed to be here anyway?
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Speaker 3: Why why are they here? Why are they lurking around unapprehended?
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Speaker 3: And now this little girl is dead again? Joining me
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Speaker 3: in All Star panel.
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Speaker 2: But first to Coraley Peel investigative reporter kp RC two
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Speaker 2: in Houston.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us, Cory. Start at the beginning.
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Speaker 3: Go ahead.
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Speaker 8: This tragic story starts when Alexis Nungray tucked her twelve
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Speaker 8: year old daughter Alexis in bed Sunday night. Last Sunday,
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Speaker 8: she was expected to go to work with her mother
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Speaker 8: the next morning, so she said everything was normal, nothing
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Speaker 8: seemed unusual. She went to bed around ten o'clock that night,
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Speaker 8: and the next morning she realized that her daughter was missing.
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Speaker 8: So she gets in her car. She drives around the
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Speaker 8: neighborhood looking for her. She starts pinging her daughter's phone,
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Speaker 8: and when she pings her phone, it takes her to
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Speaker 8: the creek where she sees a crime scene and detectives
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Speaker 8: Courly Peel.
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Speaker 2: That is every appearance worse nightmare, because when I can't
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Speaker 2: find the twins, my children, I just go look at
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Speaker 2: Life thirty sixty and I see where they are, and
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Speaker 2: they're where they're supposed to be.
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Speaker 3: And I'm just imagining this mom And.
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Speaker 2: It was really early in the morning, and Jocelyn, the
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Speaker 2: twelve year old little girl, was going with mommy to
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Speaker 2: work that morning, and Mommy told her that just before
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Speaker 2: they went to bed.
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Speaker 3: Go to bed, Go to bed.
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Speaker 2: You gotta get up early because you're going to work
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Speaker 2: with me, and mommy goes to sleep.
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Speaker 3: This is what we know. Listen.
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Speaker 9: Joscelyn Hungary is a helpful, bright, funny girl. At twelve
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Speaker 9: years old, she helps her mother with her little brother,
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Speaker 9: and at school, she's one of the most popular. On
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Speaker 9: Sunday night, Jocelyn's mother, Alexis Nungary, reminds her not to
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Speaker 9: stay up too late, as Jocelyn is going to work
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Speaker 9: with her in the morning. Alexis tells Joscelyn good night
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Speaker 9: at ten pm and turns in for the night herself.
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Speaker 9: A little after ten pm, when she is certain her
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Speaker 9: mother is asleep, Joscelyn sneaks out of the house and
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Speaker 9: goes to a local convenience store. It's around midnight when
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Speaker 9: she calls her thirteen year old boyfriend, who says he
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Speaker 9: hears Joscelyn talking to some adults before he hangs up
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Speaker 9: the phone.
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Speaker 3: Joining me.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Renow psychoanalyst, is from la You can
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Speaker 2: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. You know, I've actually
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Speaker 2: heard people horrible, people attacking the little girl and the mom.
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Speaker 2: It was a couple of blocks away. For what, is
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Speaker 2: she out dealing drugs? Is she out horing around? Is
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Speaker 2: she out joy riding, stealing a car, vandalizing, doing pot,
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Speaker 2: doing anything wrong? No, she goes to call and say
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Speaker 2: good night to the little boyfriend who's just thirteen, and
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Speaker 2: he's at home with his parents.
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Speaker 3: That's it, And some people have actually vilified it.
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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people not me, because I
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Speaker 2: was afraid that I wasn't afraid of what my parents
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Speaker 2: would do to me.
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Speaker 3: I was afraid they'd be disappointed in me.
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Speaker 2: I never snuck out, But I can't say the same
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Speaker 2: for my brother and sister or anybody else I know
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Speaker 2: that didn't sneak out and do something and actually get
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Speaker 2: back in without getting caught.
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Speaker 3: But I hate that, Bethany.
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Speaker 2: Will people do anything, come up with anything, fabricate anything,
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Speaker 2: to blame a victim. I think I know why they
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Speaker 2: do it, because it isolates them from a crime like
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Speaker 2: that'll never happen to me and my child.
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Speaker 3: But this is a.
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Speaker 2: Twelve year old little girl who was about to get
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Speaker 2: up at the crack of dawn to go with mommy
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Speaker 2: to work.
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Speaker 10: Nancy.
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Speaker 5: People are saying all kinds of horrible things like why
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Speaker 5: did the mother go to bed before her daughter went
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Speaker 5: to bed, Why did the little girl sleep sneak out
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Speaker 5: of the window, Why did she have a boyfriend? To
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Speaker 5: put this in context, Nancy, by the time children are
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Speaker 5: twelve years old, they are beginning a developmental trajectory where
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Speaker 5: they will start to distance themselves from their parents sometimes
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Speaker 5: and start to cling to their peers. They're preparing to
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Speaker 5: leave home when they're seventeen, eighteen, or nineteen. It's how
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Speaker 5: their brains are developing and growing. So that's why you
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Speaker 5: see them always wanting to play video games with other people,
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Speaker 5: or talk on the phone with their friends, or look
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Speaker 5: on social media. It's because they're her brains are programmed
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Speaker 5: to do that. All she wanted to do was say
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Speaker 5: good night to her little boyfriend. This is a twelve
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Speaker 5: year old child who was doing what twelve year olds do,
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Speaker 5: and she was from a normal family with a normal
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Speaker 5: mother who was going to have a sweet day with
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Speaker 5: her the next day, taking her daughter to work with her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this little girl steaks out of the house
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Speaker 2: to call the little boyfriend on her cell she never
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Speaker 2: makes it home. Joining me an All Star panel Courly
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Speaker 2: Peel joining us kp RC two.
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Speaker 3: Where was the mom working?
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Speaker 2: Why was little Jocelyn going with mom to work the
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Speaker 2: next morning?
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Speaker 8: Now she didn't reveal that information as to exactly what
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Speaker 8: they were going to do the next day at work,
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Speaker 8: but she said they just came back from a vacation
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Speaker 8: in that weekend, so you know, she told her they
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Speaker 8: were going to get up early. It was going to
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Speaker 8: be a completely normal day for them, essentially, you know,
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Speaker 8: at summertime, she doesn't have school, so she was just
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Speaker 8: going to just tag along with her mom, who worked
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Speaker 8: the next day. But it was just a heartbreaking, you know,
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Speaker 8: situation to hear from her mother. She was just you
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Speaker 8: saw those tears streaming down her face as she just
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Speaker 8: plead for help, just disbelief as this could happen to
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Speaker 8: her twelve year old daughters. So again, like we mentioned, parents'
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Speaker 8: worst nightmare, no one thinks that their child's not going
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Speaker 8: to be there when they wake up in the morning.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: While there's a gag order imposed on the cases proceedings,
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Speaker 2: meaning no one in the courtroom, including Johnson's mother, Alexis Nungriy,
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Speaker 2: can talk to the media. We still have learned that
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Speaker 2: one of the two defendants, Franklin Pina, in court past
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Speaker 2: days there was a DNA status update and more again
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Speaker 2: a very tight gag order on the proceedings. We also
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Speaker 2: know that the death penalty to be sought against the
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Speaker 2: two murder suspects has been announced, Jocelyn's mother stating it
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Speaker 2: is quote the most justice possible. When you hear the facts,
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Speaker 2: you may agree with her mother, Lynn Shaw, a founder
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Speaker 2: executive director of Lynn's Warriors, committed to ending human trafficking
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Speaker 2: and sexploitation, particularly of children.
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Speaker 3: Lynn, when I read this.
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Speaker 2: Story, I could barely contain myself, just twelve years old.
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Speaker 2: I'm remembering my children at age twelve, completely innocent, completely innocent,
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Speaker 2: and this little girl all on board to go to
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Speaker 2: work with mommy the next morning, never complaining great grades.
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Speaker 2: You saw her playing I believe a cello. I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's just a perfect little girl. And to end like this,
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Speaker 2: this horrible death. When I think of those two one
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Speaker 2: with an ankle monitor on, I mean a lot of
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Speaker 2: times when we don't allow ourselves to think about the facts,
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Speaker 2: the actual facts.
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Speaker 3: Of what happened.
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Speaker 2: We hear, oh okay, little girl found dead in a
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Speaker 2: creek under a bridge, and we stop right there. We
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Speaker 2: don't follow that through that chain of thought. But these
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Speaker 2: two animals lured this little girl away from the seven
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Speaker 2: to eleven where she was using her cell phone.
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Speaker 3: They lure her to a bridge area.
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Speaker 2: I don't know when they started forcing her there or not,
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Speaker 2: but they're walking along with her like their friends. They
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Speaker 2: get her down under the bridge, strip her, tie her up,
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Speaker 2: I believe, rape her, and then strangle her and throw
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Speaker 2: her body into this By you, I mean like sees
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Speaker 2: trash land, Nancy.
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Speaker 11: We work so hard with missing children, sex traffic children,
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Speaker 11: labor traffic children. This story came across to me very
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Speaker 11: early on, and I said to myself, I bet you
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Speaker 11: it's very nefarious. I bet you it has something to
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Speaker 11: do with our open borders. Let's call it what it is.
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Speaker 11: I saw this story of a twelve year old and
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Speaker 11: for me to get tears in my eyes, I'm pretty
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Speaker 11: hardened about all of this. I am tired of this, Nancy.
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Speaker 11: I am tired of everybody making light of what's going
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Speaker 11: on in America. We have on any given day, twenty
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Speaker 11: three hundred children missing in the United States. There is
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Speaker 11: more to this story. I believe what the work we
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Speaker 11: do than we're hearing about. First of all, I heard
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Speaker 11: that she was with her boyfriend and went to a
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Speaker 11: restaurant to meet these two.
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Speaker 3: I heard that.
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Speaker 11: Then I heard she was calling her boyfriend. Then I
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Speaker 11: heard the Houston mayor say she was raped.
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Speaker 10: Then it was walked back.
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Speaker 11: Nobody else will say right now she was actually raped.
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Speaker 11: They said that is pending the sexual assault. Well, I
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Speaker 11: think when you are dumped in a creek with your
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Speaker 11: pants missing and there's all of this, somebody with an ankle,
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Speaker 11: I don't even call it an ankle bracelet. Why are
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Speaker 11: they here in the first place? Ankle bracelet eat People's illegal.
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Speaker 11: They do not belong here. Kids have been jumping out
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Speaker 11: their windows and doors for years, sneaking out of the house. Nancy,
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Speaker 11: Why did she go out of the house. Was there
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Speaker 11: something she aline that was happening? Was the boyfriend urging
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Speaker 11: her to meet him somewhere? We do not know, but
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Speaker 11: I want questions, and I leave you with this. We
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Speaker 11: have alarms now when somebody breaks in a home or
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Speaker 11: a business, I'm calling for alarms.
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Speaker 10: When kids.
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Speaker 11: Anybody is breaking out. We live in a society now
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Speaker 11: we have to step up. This is the reality, dark
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Speaker 11: and ugly. If a child's trying to leave a home,
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Speaker 11: an alarm will go off on a window or door.
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Speaker 10: This is what we're faced with today.
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Speaker 2: A twelve year old little girl is lured away by
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Speaker 2: two adult males that we now are two non citizen
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Speaker 2: migrants aka illegal aliens, one still wearing an ankle monitor.
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Speaker 2: Lured under a bridge, She's found stripped, bound and dead, strangled, dead,
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Speaker 2: then thrown into the water.
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Speaker 3: Joining me.
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Speaker 2: Michael Yvonnees, former Houston Police homicide detective now PI at
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Speaker 2: y two investigations. Michael, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: You know Lenna's right. No one will say they rate
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Speaker 2: the little girl. Then why were her pants off? Why
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Speaker 2: was she stripped?
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Speaker 3: Why was she bound?
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Speaker 2: Why are cops saying this much that she was held
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Speaker 2: under the bridge for two hours at least?
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Speaker 3: Why? Why?
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Speaker 2: Why all those circumstances if she was not sex assaulted
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Speaker 2: and then murdered.
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Speaker 3: Can you imagine this child begging to.
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Speaker 2: Go back home to mommy in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 2: begging for them to leave her alone, begging to live,
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Speaker 2: and they strangled her anyway, Can you imagine that that's
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Speaker 2: what happened, That is what happened to Michael.
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Speaker 12: Of course, Nancy, all those signs are indicative of sexual assault.
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Speaker 12: And you and I and common sense people, we probably
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Speaker 12: know that the police are being cautious and what they
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Speaker 12: tell you and what they released to the public to
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Speaker 12: preserve their investigation. They're trying to preserve it for court,
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Speaker 12: and they don't want to They don't want to make
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Speaker 12: any statement that might upset this case.
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Speaker 3: Further down the road, back to speciales joining us.
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Speaker 2: Coral a Peel investigator Reporter kp R C two Coray,
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Speaker 2: what do we know about these two guys?
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about them.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, we've learned that they are originally from Venezuela.
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Speaker 3: They've been living in.
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Speaker 8: Houston for about a month. That's according to neighbors who
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Speaker 8: live at the apartment complex where they were arrested.
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Speaker 3: We don't know a whole.
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Speaker 8: Lot right now, but we do know that they were
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Speaker 8: stopped by Border patrol. Martinez was stomped, I believe, back
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Speaker 8: in March near al Paso, and the other man was
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Speaker 8: stomped in May. So still a lot to unpack here
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Speaker 8: about their background, but we do know that they were
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Speaker 8: here in the US illegally.
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Speaker 3: Guys.
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Speaker 2: This is what more we are learning incredible police work.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you recall Jennifer Dulo's, the missing
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Speaker 2: Connecticut mom of five. Her body has never been found,
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Speaker 2: but due to a copious amount of blood in her garage,
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Speaker 2: it has been determined that her husband, Photused Dulos and
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Speaker 2: his girlfriend, his mistress, Michelle Traconis, had a hand in
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Speaker 2: her death.
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Speaker 3: He murdered her.
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Speaker 2: This mother of five goes missing, and what the local
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Speaker 2: police do, in conjunction with others, is they put together
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Speaker 2: a montage okay, like a.
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Speaker 3: Real a demo reel.
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Speaker 2: Okay, and they follow the perp or the victim through
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Speaker 2: red light cams through I remember in Jennifer Dulos there
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Speaker 2: was a public bus that opened its doors and you
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Speaker 2: see the husband photos Dulo's driving by in somebody else's car.
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Speaker 2: To get it detailed because Jennifer's DNA is all over it,
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Speaker 2: they use traffic cams, tag grabbers, anything, toll bridges, anything
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Speaker 2: with a camera, home security cam, and they put together
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Speaker 2: a timel line in video. And I believe that is
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Speaker 2: what the police very wisely did here listen.
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Speaker 7: Our team has worked tirelessly tracking evidence in this case
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Speaker 7: since the discovery of Joscelyn by a citizen on the
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Speaker 7: morning of June seventeenth, twenty twenty four. Because of the
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Speaker 7: assistance of the area community and surveillance video that our
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Speaker 7: officers have tirelessly tracked down and other evidence Heary pieces,
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Speaker 7: we have found and learned that the suspects began their
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Speaker 7: evening at a Northborough area restaurant together. They left that
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Speaker 7: restaurant on foot southbound as.
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Speaker 2: We go to air right now, we learn a Senate
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Speaker 2: committee is recommending expanding the death penalty eligibility for child
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Speaker 2: murder under Senate Bill nine to ninety repeat, it would
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Speaker 2: expand death penalty eligibility. This move was touched off by
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Speaker 2: the murder of a twelve year old little girl, Jocelyn Hungary. Currently,
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Speaker 2: Texas law does not allow the death penalty for individuals
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Speaker 2: convicted of killing children aged ten to fifteen. You heard
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Speaker 2: me right, But Senate Bill nine to ninety would eliminate
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Speaker 2: the exemption, ensuring that all child murder victims are treated
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Speaker 2: equally under capital punishment rules.
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Speaker 3: Now, the fact that the two.
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Speaker 2: Men were charged not only with the murder but with
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Speaker 2: rape as well makes them eligible for the death penalty. However,
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Speaker 2: this new bill, as B nine to ninety, seeks to
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Speaker 2: remove to discard the need for additional charges like rape
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Speaker 2: or sex assault in order for the state to pursue
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Speaker 2: the death penalty and child murder cases. During the committee hearing,
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Speaker 2: testimony was given by family members of young victims. Specifically,
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Speaker 2: the aunt of eleven year old Arlene Alvarez testified stating
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Speaker 2: it was quote sad, we don't have this already in place,
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Speaker 2: and it was hard for me to explain to mister
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Speaker 2: Gonzales that the death penalty wasn't on the table for
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Speaker 2: a man that had no mercy on his daughter. Why
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Speaker 2: are we having mercy on monsters? And more of what
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Speaker 2: we know about the two defendants now charged with capital
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Speaker 2: martyr of a twelve year old little girl.
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Speaker 3: They're movements. Listen.
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Speaker 7: The suspects continued south and we're first seen on a
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Speaker 7: camera and those are the images that we released to you,
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Speaker 7: to all of you and to the public. Suspects seen
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Speaker 7: meeting the victim and talking for a few minutes while
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Speaker 7: they were on Kirkandal. Later, the suspects and the victim
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Speaker 7: walked together to a convenience store, and those images were
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Speaker 7: also released to you guys in the public. After a
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Speaker 7: few minutes, all three together walked to a bridge where
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Speaker 7: ultimately Joscelyn was murdered. Suspects continue south towards their residence
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Speaker 7: after leaving Joscelyn there.
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Speaker 3: Oh, they're totally busted.
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Speaker 2: They are following them through veryous surveillance videos. They'll probably
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Speaker 2: bring in cell phone pings, all sorts of digital proof
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Speaker 2: to show it's these two guys that took Jocelyn then
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Speaker 2: forced her down under a bridge, very reminiscent of the
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Speaker 2: two little girls in Delphi forced under a trestle bridge.
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Speaker 3: Now, who sees this.
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Speaker 2: Little girl at the seven eleven. All she's doing is
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Speaker 2: thinking out to call her a little boyfriend on her
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Speaker 2: cell phone, so mommy won't hear. Who sees this girl
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Speaker 2: and thinks, Hey, I'm going to rape her and murder her?
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Speaker 2: Nobody except these two. I was asking you earlier, what
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Speaker 2: do we know about these guys. We know that they
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Speaker 2: are Jose Roguel Martinez and Franklin Jose Pinna Ramos, and
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Speaker 2: they are both here illegally. Ramos discovered crossing the border
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Speaker 2: with a large group of migrants given a notice to
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Speaker 2: appear in San Antonio court August twenty nine.
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Speaker 3: What he immediately disappears?
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Speaker 2: We know Ebarra placed on a program, a ankle monitor program.
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Speaker 2: He immediately cut off that monitor and disappeared. April twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three. Yeah, that's who's here. Both of them just
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Speaker 2: disappear into the wind. We know a fifty three thousand
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Speaker 2: to have.
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Speaker 3: Disappeared under similar circumstances. Where are they? Maybe in your backyard?
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is a renowned chief medical examiner out
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Speaker 2: of Terrance County.
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Speaker 3: That's Fort Worth.
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Speaker 2: Never lack of business there, Doctor Kendall Crowns, who has
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Speaker 2: performed thousands of autopsies, including on children, Lecturer at the
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Speaker 2: Burnett School of Medicine at TC. Doctor Kimmel Crowns, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Explain to me how an
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Speaker 2: autopsy on this twelve year old little girl?
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Speaker 3: What do you do?
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Speaker 13: So in a case of strangulation, you would still follow
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Speaker 13: the same procedures of an autopsy that you usually do.
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Speaker 13: An external examination, making note any mark, scars, or tattoos
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Speaker 13: evidence of injury. Then an internal examination is performed where
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Speaker 13: a y shaped decision is made and each organ is
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Speaker 13: removed and dissected, but then a layered neck dissection will
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Speaker 13: be done where each layer of the muscles of the
25:35
Speaker 13: neck are peeled back looking for injuries, and then the
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Speaker 13: throat structures will be exposed, removed and evaluated. So looking
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Speaker 13: at the highway bone, which is this U shaped bone
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Speaker 13: in your neck that can be broken in strangulation, and
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Speaker 13: the thyroid cartilage which is a structure right above your
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Speaker 13: windpipe that also is often broken in strangulation cases.
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Speaker 2: How will you determine, doctor Kendall Crowns, whether or not
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Speaker 2: the little girl had been raped.
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Speaker 13: So an evaluation of her genitalia will be done looking
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Speaker 13: at her vagina in anal orifices or the areas around it,
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Speaker 13: looking for contusions, abrasions, tears of bruises, that type of
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Speaker 13: injury you can usually find that in rape cases.
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Speaker 14: You Surveillan shows twelve year old Jocelyn with two unknown
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Speaker 14: men at a convenience store in the dead.
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Speaker 2: Of the night, and even now online trolls are attacking
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Speaker 2: the mom and the little girl. This twelve year old
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Speaker 2: little girl was doing nothing more than sneaking a cell
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Speaker 2: phone call to her little thirteen year old boyfriend at
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Speaker 2: the nearby seven to eleven, and she ends up dead, stripped, strangled,
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Speaker 2: and thrown into the water. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us
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Speaker 2: renounced likeo analyst out of la Doctor Bethany, what does
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Speaker 2: the treatment of this little girl mean to you as
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Speaker 2: it relates to the minds of the two perpetrators.
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Speaker 5: Well, for one, I think she had three factors that
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Speaker 5: they were looking for. Availability, vulnerability, and desirability. She's such
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Speaker 5: a cute little girl. She's vulnerable, they can have their
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Speaker 5: way with her, nancy, and I think these guys wanted
27:17
Speaker 5: to have power and control over a female. They were
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Speaker 5: full of rage and nancy. They may have done this before.
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Speaker 5: I mean, these two guys are acting in concert to terrorize,
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Speaker 5: rape and do whatever they want to do. Remember John
27:32
Speaker 5: Lee Malvo obvious see John Alvin and John Allen Muhammad
27:37
Speaker 5: were they They worked in concert to terrorize the DC area.
27:42
Speaker 5: They were full of rage, They came from another country.
27:46
Speaker 5: They wanted to come up against unsuspecting victims. I was
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Speaker 5: thinking about that with these two, especially since they have
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Speaker 5: a gang history, Like what were they really planning and
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Speaker 5: that area that they had moved into, did they want
27:59
Speaker 5: to pray on other unsuspecting victims. Where were they hatching
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Speaker 5: some plot? But definitely they chose this little girl because
28:06
Speaker 5: she's tiny, she's vulnerable. They could have their way with her.
28:11
Speaker 5: These monsters, they're not going to come up against peers
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Speaker 5: or somebody more powerful than them. Imagine what happens when
28:18
Speaker 5: they have to come up against the police, or now
28:21
Speaker 5: they're being questioned or they have to answer to investigators.
28:24
Speaker 5: These guys are cowards, deep down, homicidal cowards who only
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Speaker 5: wanted their way with a little girl. It is so
28:34
Speaker 5: terrible and tragic.
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Speaker 2: You know another thing, Doctor Bethany Marshall, is these two
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Speaker 2: we now know thanks to local police and especially that
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Speaker 2: detective Steven Hope.
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Speaker 3: You were hearing earlier that these.
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Speaker 2: Two went out and were spotted at a restaurant, and
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Speaker 2: they're caught on surveillance video at a restaurant having dinner.
28:51
Speaker 2: It's almost like they go out for dinner in a
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Speaker 2: movie and they use up the little girl and just
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Speaker 2: throw her away like that throw a popcorn down at
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Speaker 2: That's how she's treated, Nancy.
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Speaker 5: These animals have no regard for life. And when I
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Speaker 5: heard about the restaurant, I was thinking, were they just
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Speaker 5: sitting ordering hamburgers and French fries and talking about who
29:10
Speaker 5: they're going to murder. I would not be surprised if
29:14
Speaker 5: they were stirring it up and actually stimulating each other,
29:18
Speaker 5: because we know even with criminals who get out of jail,
29:21
Speaker 5: sometimes they emerge more frustrated and more ready to offend
29:26
Speaker 5: because of their incarceration experiences. And these guys have been roaming,
29:31
Speaker 5: you know, they go over the border there and there
29:34
Speaker 5: they interact with law enforcement. It's almost like there's this
29:38
Speaker 5: hatred and vindictiveness building up inside of them, this sense
29:42
Speaker 5: that the world is against them, that they have to
29:44
Speaker 5: assert power somewhere. And remember, it's rumored that they have
29:49
Speaker 5: a criminal background, a gang background, which tells me that
29:52
Speaker 5: they've been in an environment where there's socially sanctioned sociopathy,
29:57
Speaker 5: so that not only are they criminals, sadists, rapists on
30:02
Speaker 5: their own, but they've been a part of a society
30:05
Speaker 5: where men do this kind of thing Nancy. So this
30:08
Speaker 5: becomes a perfect storm, which is the reason why they
30:12
Speaker 5: should not have been here, because we don't really have
30:14
Speaker 5: this in our country where it's a perfect storm of
30:17
Speaker 5: men who are misogynists, who hate women, who want to
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Speaker 5: rape torture and kill just because everybody else thinks it's okay.
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Speaker 5: And they're stirring each other.
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Speaker 2: Up, you know, Lynn Shaw with me, founder of Lynn's Warriors,
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Speaker 2: committed to ending mistreatment of children.
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Speaker 3: Lynn.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about the way they soak, callously throw
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Speaker 2: her body.
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Speaker 3: And that buy you We've shown you and just walk away,
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Speaker 3: probably laughing.
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Speaker 2: And the image which police have given me because they're
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Speaker 2: spotted on video at a restaurant having a great time
30:55
Speaker 2: and then they leave and like I was telling Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: like going to dinner in a movie for the rest
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Speaker 2: to us, that's a big night out, and instead they
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Speaker 2: go for dinner and then they go get this little girl,
31:07
Speaker 2: and they're stoking each other as they go.
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Speaker 3: Very often people.
31:11
Speaker 2: Will do things as a group that they wouldn't do
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Speaker 2: on their own. But these two are like minded. And
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Speaker 2: I've given this example before, Lynn Shaw. If you're out
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Speaker 2: for a walk on a nature trailer in a park
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Speaker 2: and you see a little rabbit go by, I bet
31:28
Speaker 2: your first instinct is to maybe pet it or feed it,
31:32
Speaker 2: where other instincts would be to grab it and tear
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Speaker 2: it's neck out and eat it a predator.
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Speaker 3: And when they saw this little girl.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine all the glances the two of them
31:45
Speaker 2: exchanged with each other. They knew what they were going
31:48
Speaker 2: to do as they walked to that bridge, as they
31:51
Speaker 2: forced her to go under the bridge. At any point
31:54
Speaker 2: they could have stopped Lynn, but they didn't. They went
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Speaker 2: so far as to tie her up, strip her under
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Speaker 2: that bridge, I believe, rape her, and then strangle her,
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Speaker 2: most likely manually with their own hands, and then to
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Speaker 2: top it off, throw her into the water like she's
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Speaker 2: trash land Nancy.
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Speaker 11: Doctor Bethany hit the nail on the head the way
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Speaker 11: she described the mindset.
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Speaker 10: We work with law enforcement.
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Speaker 11: These criminal members of this gang from Venezuela, it's called
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Speaker 11: trendy Arragua. They have no regard for life at all.
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Speaker 11: I don't even want to compare them to animals.
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Speaker 10: That is too kind. I don't want to put that
32:36
Speaker 10: on animals.
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Speaker 3: They will.
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Speaker 11: They have no regard for girls and women in particular.
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Speaker 11: They take what they want. I don't even know if
32:44
Speaker 11: they planned this. They just saw her. She's a slight
32:47
Speaker 11: little girl. They may have asked her directions I read,
32:50
Speaker 11: and she said, okay, I'll show you this way. They
32:53
Speaker 11: lured her somehow, and they just had the opportunity. I
32:57
Speaker 11: want to repeat, these people are not here legally. They
33:01
Speaker 11: have we work extensively with law enforcement. They have no
33:05
Speaker 11: regard for women and girls. They think that they are
33:09
Speaker 11: just property. They're to be raped, robbed, beaten. And I'm
33:14
Speaker 11: not understanding why all this is allowed allowed to go on.
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Speaker 11: We know all this, we know what is going on.
33:20
Speaker 11: These are called also ghost criminals. They may come and
33:23
Speaker 11: have an ankle monitor, they're cutting them off. Nobody's following
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Speaker 11: up and doing further vetting, and they're disappearing over our country.
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Speaker 11: And I guarantee you, I guarantee you. This is my opinion.
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Speaker 11: They have done this before. They have raped and robbed
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Speaker 11: women before, and perhaps even murdered.
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Speaker 3: Oh gosh. Yes, Michael Vanna is joining US.
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Speaker 2: Former Houston Police homicide detective now PI owner of y
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Speaker 2: TOO Investigations.
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Speaker 3: Michael, this is not their first crime.
33:52
Speaker 2: And I don't mean stealing a car or joey riding,
33:55
Speaker 2: or a theft by shoplifting or smoking a joint. No, no, no,
34:01
Speaker 2: there's a big link between any of those crimes and
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Speaker 2: kidnapping a little girl, forcing her under that bridge, raping
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Speaker 2: and murdering her. Oh no, no, no, no, this is
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Speaker 2: by far not their first violent crime.
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Speaker 12: Nancy. I don't think I think you're going to find
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Speaker 12: in the investigation that they probably have a DNA link
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Speaker 12: to other crimes here in the Houston area or around
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Speaker 12: the country. Who knows, But let me tell you this, Nancy.
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Speaker 12: I know Houston Police Chief Saturn White personally, I know
34:27
Speaker 12: the lead homicide investigator personally. These two men are bloodhounds,
34:32
Speaker 12: and with their experience, they're not going to let this
34:35
Speaker 12: case go away. They're gonna even though they've been arrested
34:38
Speaker 12: in charge, the investigation is just beginning. They have to
34:42
Speaker 12: go and confirm and reconfirm every bit of information that
34:45
Speaker 12: they've followed on that digital trail, on the eyewitnesses, on
34:50
Speaker 12: the medical examiners report. They have to completely completely put
34:58
Speaker 12: a case together to make sure these are almost do
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Speaker 12: not get out absolutely, and they're going to do that.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the last days, in the case of a twelve
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Speaker 2: year old beautiful little girl, Joscelyn Nungary, raped and murdered,
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Speaker 2: the Harris County District Attorney announces she will seek the
35:26
Speaker 2: death penalty against the men accused of killing little Joscelyn.
35:32
Speaker 2: It's time for the state to prepare a trial. What
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Speaker 2: happened to little Joscelyn?
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Speaker 3: Listen?
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Speaker 9: Investigators determine the two men lure her into going under
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Speaker 9: the bridge on West Rankin Road. Keeping Joscelyn for over
35:45
Speaker 9: two hours, they take her pants off and tie her up.
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Speaker 9: Joscelyn dies from strangulation before she is thrown into the bayou,
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Speaker 9: where her body is found. After throwing the body into
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Speaker 9: the bayou, Ramos and Martinez are seen walking back toward
35:58
Speaker 9: the apartment they share. Believe the pair live in the
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Speaker 9: same apartment complex as Jocelyn. Nungery.
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Speaker 2: Just strolling back. They're on video, just strolling back. It
36:11
Speaker 2: reminds me of the guy that murdered Rachel Morin. According
36:15
Speaker 2: to the DNA found on her body, he attacked a
36:19
Speaker 2: nine year old little girl in LA before he murdered
36:21
Speaker 2: Rachel in bel Air, Maryland, based on DNA, and he
36:28
Speaker 2: didn't even run from the scene. He's caught on a
36:31
Speaker 2: door cam in LA. He just walks out without a
36:33
Speaker 2: shirt on and just walks away like.
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Speaker 3: Hey, you know that was nothing, no big deal.
36:39
Speaker 2: I mean, doctor Bethany Marshall, I don't think you're getting
36:41
Speaker 2: my question. The way they threw away the little girl
36:45
Speaker 2: like she was a chewing gum wrapper. Just throw her
36:47
Speaker 2: away after that, just throw her body, half stripped, tied up, strangled,
36:55
Speaker 2: Just throw her in the water, and now we know,
36:58
Speaker 2: casually walk off. I'm telling you, this is no more than.
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Speaker 3: They have going to the movie and having dinner. That
37:07
Speaker 3: was it.
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Speaker 2: This was nothing to them, and they casually stroll back
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Speaker 2: to their apartment.
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Speaker 3: They don't even run nothing.
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Speaker 10: No, no, no.
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Speaker 5: Several things about this story bothered me so much. This
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Speaker 5: little girl, Joscelyn, grew up with a mother and in
37:22
Speaker 5: the society in the neighborhood where she was taught that
37:24
Speaker 5: the world is a safe place. Unlike Venezuela, unlike Haiti,
37:28
Speaker 5: where the two missionary kids, David and Natalie were just
37:31
Speaker 5: murdered by gang violence. There are certain societies Nancy where
37:35
Speaker 5: homicide is socially sanctioned, where it's rampant, where people do
37:40
Speaker 5: feel that this is what society has come to. And
37:42
Speaker 5: when those societies infiltrate our society, our kids, who believe
37:48
Speaker 5: that the world is a safe place continue doing what
37:51
Speaker 5: they normally do, not realizing that there are predators around
37:55
Speaker 5: them and then the other thing that's strolling back to
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Speaker 5: their apartment, Nancy, And that means that they were looking
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Speaker 5: into the eyes and into the face of a twelve
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Speaker 5: year old little girl, watching her struggle, taking delight, taking pleasure.
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Speaker 5: I mean, if you really just soak that in, who
38:15
Speaker 5: does that to a twelve year old who rapes a
38:18
Speaker 5: twelve year old who may not even know about sex yet.
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Speaker 5: I mean the intrusion into this little girl of the
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Speaker 5: most horrifying, unimaginable circumstances for which she was completely unprepared
38:32
Speaker 5: and not even knowing what to do. And Nancy, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: they just tossed her into the river. It is beyond
38:38
Speaker 5: disregard for human life. It's sadism, it's thrill, it's hatred.
38:44
Speaker 5: It's wanting to undermine the youth and beauty of such
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Speaker 5: a beautiful member of our society. It's really horrible.
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Speaker 2: When I first started prosecuting violent crimes, the judge would
38:55
Speaker 2: instruck a jury if the evidence supported it on flight,
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Speaker 2: as in disha of guilt. Now, in most jurisdictions, the
39:06
Speaker 2: judge doesn't instruct a jury that flight can be used
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Speaker 2: as an indication of guilt, but the prosecutor can still
39:14
Speaker 2: argue it.
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Speaker 3: And in this case, you want to tell me they
39:18
Speaker 3: didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: Because when HPD Houston PD shows up at the apartment
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Speaker 2: complex where these two illegals live, and they get a bullhorn,
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Speaker 2: a loud speaker and they order the men to.
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Speaker 3: Come out, what do they do?
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Speaker 2: One of the guys tries to jump off a balcony
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Speaker 2: for a m but wisely, Houston PD and this detective
39:43
Speaker 2: is really something else.
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Speaker 3: It's Stephen Hope guy.
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Speaker 2: They have the whole place surrounded there you go jumping
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Speaker 2: off a balcony to Crawley Bill joining US investigative reporter
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Speaker 2: kPr C too, they're any Houston really? I mean, if
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Speaker 2: a cop knocks on your door, do you try to
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Speaker 2: run out the back.
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Speaker 3: And jump off a balcony? Absolutely not.
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Speaker 8: And it was really interesting because we were out there
40:12
Speaker 8: that morning. We didn't see that time of the rest
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Speaker 8: just afterwards when they were placed in handcuffs. But a
40:19
Speaker 8: lot of the neighbors out there told me that they
40:21
Speaker 8: didn't really interact with those men too much. They'd only
40:24
Speaker 8: lived at that apartment complex for maybe a month two months.
40:29
Speaker 8: I think the only time they really saw them out
40:31
Speaker 8: was a barbecue that happened a couple weeks prior, but
40:35
Speaker 8: they didn't have many details about you know, what those
40:38
Speaker 8: men were like or if they seemed suspicious at all.
40:41
Speaker 8: So definitely concerning if they're trying to run from police.
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Speaker 14: They took away my first born. A mom pleads for
40:49
Speaker 14: killers to be brought to justice after her twelve year
40:52
Speaker 14: old daughter's slaying.
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Speaker 2: Now we know the two men that have been arrested
40:58
Speaker 2: in the rape and murder of a twelve year old
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Speaker 2: little Houston girl, Jocelyn secretly and nefariously came into our
41:08
Speaker 2: country to.
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Speaker 3: Do nothing but rek have it.
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Speaker 2: They were not here, according to the Statue of Liberty,
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Speaker 2: seeking a new life. They came here to continue a
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Speaker 2: life of violent crime. And it's not the first time
41:25
Speaker 2: does the name Lacan Riley ring a bell? Because I'll
41:29
Speaker 2: never forget the name. Listen and appens.
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Speaker 9: Georgia nursing student Lake and Riley is late returning from
41:35
Speaker 9: a jog at the University of Georgia campus and a
41:37
Speaker 9: roommate becomes concerned surging in the area she would jog.
41:40
Speaker 9: Her body is found in a Coney Forest park near
41:43
Speaker 9: Lake Herrick. Riley's body is found covered in brush and
41:46
Speaker 9: she's been killed by blood forced trauma, and asphyxiation. A
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Speaker 9: sketch of a possible person of interest leads investigators to
41:52
Speaker 9: Jose Antonio Dibara. Ibarra is from Venezuela, entered the USA
41:56
Speaker 9: illegally with a fake wife, was sent to New York,
41:59
Speaker 9: left his fake wife, and ended up in Athens, Georgia
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Speaker 9: with his brother. Ibara now facing murder charges in the
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Speaker 9: killing of Lincoln Riley.
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Speaker 3: His fake wife. And what about Elizabeth Medina.
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Speaker 9: When high school cheerleader Lizabeth Medina doesn't join her team
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Speaker 9: for the Christmas parade, her mother races home to see why.
42:17
Speaker 9: In the bathroom, Jackala Medina finds her daughter in the bathtub, dead,
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Speaker 9: stabbed to death. Police tracks suspicious activity on Lizabeth's missing
42:25
Speaker 9: cell phone, leading them to Rafael Govea Romero twenty three,
42:29
Speaker 9: illegally in the United States of America from Mexico. Investigators
42:33
Speaker 9: determined he's been stalking Lizabeth Medina and was on probation
42:37
Speaker 9: at the time of her murder, and.
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Speaker 2: Then he stabs her dead And mommy has to find
42:43
Speaker 2: her daughter dead in the bathtub when she's supposed to
42:46
Speaker 2: be in a Christmas parade that's how she found out.
42:50
Speaker 2: Mommy races for more to see her daughter in the parade,
42:54
Speaker 2: not wanting to miss a thing, and the daughter's not there,
42:57
Speaker 2: so she races home to find her daughter dead. When
43:03
Speaker 2: will it end? I can't control what Congress is doing,
43:07
Speaker 2: you know. That's like yelling out the window on Third Avenue.
43:11
Speaker 2: But what I can do is ask for help in
43:14
Speaker 2: this case, to make sure these two are convicted. Seven
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Speaker 2: one three three zero eight three six hundred. Help us
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Speaker 2: build this case.
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Speaker 3: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,