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None More Black · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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It's deprogram the podcast where we try to get you into a band
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and yes, no matter what you think this that is appropriate
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like, it's so appropriate. No, no, this is not the none
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more black episode. This is just a tribute
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unfortunately, technology defeated me.
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Again and we lost, we lost the original episode of non more
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black and so we're getting together to re-record it is
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shhhh and like it's been a journey to get here.
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So let's just say that. Let's just dive in here.
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Again, we're talking about none more black today.
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The one thing I want to do, that's the same this go-around
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is for Randy as your You put none more black on the board.
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If I recall correctly. Why did you want to talk about
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none more black today? Well, outside of, I didn't want
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to talk about it today. I wanted to talk about but here
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we are. I put them on the board because
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it's a band that I kind of really connected with back when
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they came out and like 2003 2004 and like, I was falling along
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their fat rock band. I was following Along on, you
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know, the recent fat wreck stuff because I happen to like all the
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band. So I wanted to know, okay, if
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these bands are good, then What other bands are coming out of
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this and you know the lead singer.
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Jason was the lead singer for kid Dynamite which was popular
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hardcore band and that kind of like put them at attention with
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people. And you know I think the first
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time I listened to file on her black, I thought.
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Okay. Yeah not bad.
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And then it really didn't hit me until the rock against Bush
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record came out where the first song off of Of the first, they
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had two versions off of the first, soundtrack was a song
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called. There's nothing to do when your
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Loft locked in a vacancy. And that from the start of that
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record sets, like, this, insane tone of this is what this record
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is going to be. Its it is a fast hardcore, just
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Ripper of a song and unfortunately we couldn't use it
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because they don't have that. Record on Spotify.
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So we had to, we had to kind of for do it, but it would happen
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is an absolute Banger. Yeah, it would have absolutely
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been in the top ten and I think after that it kind of sparked me
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like, okay, pay more attention now, pay more attention to this
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band, pay attention to the Melodies, pay attention to the
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songwriting aspect and, you know, as they kind of grew and
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they kind of accelerated, I started to get attached to him
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even more because you kind of, you know, this is the thing that
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we talked about is that Jason's writing, a lot of lyrics about
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his own battle with mental illness, and that's something
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that I was dealing with time as well.
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And it just kind of somewhere in there.
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It kind of connected with me that, you know, these songs are
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exactly what I'm going through in a phase of my life.
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That it was a challenge because it was like, 18, 19 years old
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and you don't know what the fuck is going on.
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When you're 18, 19 years old. So it all put in Really like,
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you know, going back and having the full re-listen this past
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year. At some point, you know, way
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earlier, you know, back in 2022. Maybe, maybe 2021.
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Yeah, those it, ya like it kind of reaffirmed my, you know, my
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love for them just by like hearing Just how they produce
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songs and how they were doing things that nobody else was
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doing and nobody was really paying attention to what they
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were doing. And I think a lot of the songs
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that we ended up picking for this ended up there, right in
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that wheelhouse, pretty much all of them, they are specifically
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no more black socks agreed. As I, you know, we talked
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briefly. When you first came on, you
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said, you didn't get a chance to kind of re re listen.
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I was listening to our list. Which by the way, 10 songs, 24
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minutes, you can't tap me, baby. Yeah, you didn't get it out.
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You can't. You can't beat that.
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Um, so I already before we even get into the songs like I
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recommend, you know, just touching base with that.
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But yeah, like I immediately, I was brought back.
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Oh yeah, this is that band. This, this is what they do.
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And so Props to ourselves a little Pat on this absolute,
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absolute shit-kicking, rock and roll, man.
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Like it's in your face in and out, get the job done.
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You know, I as far as like for me like I lifetime is like my
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favorite band growing up in I falled Dan's Greer all the way
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to kid Dynamite, right? And then like kids, I'm it broke
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up. They split into paint black and
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no more black and I follow Dan's Paint It Black because like how
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could no more black possibly be good because they broke up and
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went into business with blacken the name.
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This is ridiculous. Like I've let her, I literally
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felt that way and it took me so long to listen to span it was so
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dumb. And it was it was cool to be a
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grown-ass man, and you guys asked me to do this.
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I'm like, all right, I'm going to really sit down into it and
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like it's not a big catalog. If you dig this playlist, you
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listen to the whole damn thing. Absolutely taken so much from
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this, like, Randy touched on the mental health aspect of it and
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like, especially because half these songs are about how he
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needs music to express himself, otherwise it will go absolutely
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insane. But also, he hates being in a
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band and like I was living that, you know what I mean?
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I hated it sometimes, like being on the road with like sometimes
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you just like the touring is the granting of people for us.
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Yeah, well it gave you a reason to wake up in the morning and
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like you and you're like, oh I can communicate on a grand
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scale. Like I'm just this weird kind of
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introverted extroverted weirdo kid that like down a way to talk
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to people and like these on say that like how he's just like
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counting on the music to get me through the day and Going on the
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antihistamines, so I can play. But that's the most real lyric
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I've ever heard in my entire life, you know.
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And like I was just dumb that I didn't reach out.
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I didn't listen rather. When I had like yours about how
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like, it spoke to you when you're in that place.
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I mean this could have really helped me and I didn't really
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listen to it till I got older which is cool man.
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It's cool to come to it later. But I will say to you like I
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think that I'm the agent of chaos for this podcast because
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the last time I was on the show, I broke a tooth live on air and
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now and now we've lost the show. So I feel really good.
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About destruction. I've caused.
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And we just wanted to do Less Than Jake, right.
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Listen dude. I can't get them down to 20
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songs. Yeah.
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You mind if I try. How do we, how do we even get
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them down to like a suitable album number and say I hear ya.
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Then the last thing I'll say like on no more black is like I
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think someone of the people things about Jason's art in
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general and I touched on this like, pretty eloquently.
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Last time, we saw someone who just farted out now like, like I
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I think it's simple, it's all good.
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That's it. That's a snapshot of that part
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of Jason's life. I think that's so rad about his
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whole catalog, you know. So I want to, I want to tag here
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because like I think you kind of nil.
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So I wanted to make sure that this band got the love it
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deserves. That's probably the biggest
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reason why I was like, look, we need to re-record it like not
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just because content. Yeah, of course, but also
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because like I said like they deserve it but it almost is
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almost Most is poetic that we lost the episode and that we do
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have to do it, like they would like, hell yeah, we have to
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punch it in the face and do it fast and loose and and just kind
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of, Boom, here you go. This is, this is, this is what
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we do. So we're doing it.
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Just like them. Now, the next level of the show
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is where we would ask, you know, hey, for the final, say how many
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do you think you could get unanimously and Randy started us
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off with a 6? He's a hey, Think we can get
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six, Chris. Took them up 17.
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Yep. And then, I think I was going
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for, hey, let me be the pessimist here and go for,
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because I thought not a big discography, but I think we
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might be in other pockets of the of the disc, dog.
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Very happy to have been wrong. We got eight through unanimously
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now before we start like getting into, like the actual songs that
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we hit do either of you kind of want to like talk about
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something that made me miss that like completely that you can't
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believe. Or you know if you had look
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notes about songs that that you know aren't on the list.
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Yeah I got a couple here I think mostly with the songs that I
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picked and didn't make it. I knew those songs weren't going
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to make it but I wanted them to have representation because this
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time around, I heard these songs differently than I did back in.
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You know, my teens and 20s one of them being off of filing.
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Like zero-tolerance drug policy and that to me is like almost
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like a slasher film type song that was that's when it starts
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off. Like all this bright and blue me
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and it has a really catchy punk rock riff and then all of a
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sudden the ball drops and it's like somebody's fucking chasing
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you. And I don't know if I ever got
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that from that Saul back then. But hearing it now and
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understanding what I felt from that song now.
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Yeah. Yeah yeah.
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That's that's good stuff. And now yeah anything you wanted
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to jump on before we move on Chris.
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Yeah so I remember pushing real hard for risk management.
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I don't think anybody else had it right?
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Yeah because like for me like the convo Justin most had and I
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didn't take it too. Oh yeah.
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So like I remember being like, he's like for me this long as
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everyone Associates with his Banner like either everyday
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balloons or they're suckers, right?
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Boom. Like what I think of this band
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risk management is that like that song is what comes up for
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me. It's also really interesting to
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me because it's the only like non voyeuristic song they have.
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Like most of the songs are all from Jason's perspective and
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it's always like this how Jason feels about XYZ, but this is
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like, besides this in like one of the songs we picked, Really
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him going after somebody like speaking as himself talking to
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someone on in the third person. So it's a kind of it.
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Feels different from the rest of the teams, which I think maybe
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is why it's not as great representative wise.
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But like, sound-wise to me, that's like, the song that I
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think of, when, I think it has banned, its you got it's just
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got like that rollicking 77 like elevated power cord with a
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little bit of like harmonic and catchy vocal, and, like
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repetitive stuff that you can sing along too.
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You know, just when I think of, you know, I think we have to
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also mention here. A big part of who no more black
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is is their song titles. Most of the song titles
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especially off. The first record are references
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to pop culture, mostly Seinfeld and risk management.
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Of course, there's always this one.
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Where y'all. Yeah.
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George puts risk management like expert in rich, rich, man,
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expert in that on his resume and people go in a job.
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Interviews are like Echo. Tell us about your experience in
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Risk Management. He this was just supposed to be
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some BS thing that, you know, made me look better.
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But it's not like I told I never talked about how like all the
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scientific references are going to fall dead on me.
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One ball rats reference, like it.
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Yeah, everyday balloons. I believe that was from an
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episode was great. Our and something about
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Thanksgiving Day, balloons and dinners for suckers.
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I think is the cult, the funnest scene and the most funniest
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scene out of what the song titles are because in dinner for
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suckers this episode where he gets the guy to clean his house
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and he's dating like an artist that Elaine is having trouble
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with and they're both like terrible human beings.
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And I think Jerry is accusing them of stealing a statute that
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he has in this house. House.
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So when they're kind of confronted about it, like Jerry
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like Elaine's kind of holding Jerry back, like don't say
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anything and, you know, they want to leave the place.
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They're like, we want to get out of here.
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And they, and the two other people like, oh no.
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Stay for dinner. Stay for dinner.
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And Jerry's, like, no dinner for suckers.
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It's just such a great life. That's great.
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So, there you go. That's what you got to look
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none more black, the entire discography, plucked out 20
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songs that we then mashed together to create a top ten
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starter kit for you. In case you had never heard of
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none more black and you're right Chris, it did I think that first
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part went swimmingly and you know what?
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Again, keeping with the attitude, I think we're leaving.
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All of that. In what I wanted to do is is we
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don't usually get to do. This is give you a little clips
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of in, you know, maybe even I'll turn the volume under you know
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down as we're talking about the songs but we don't usually get
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to like really listen to the songs.
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We just kind of, you know, the ones that are unanimous, we
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listen to when we hit it and then it kind of goes away but we
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did get 83 and animus. We're going to leave one alone
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because it was our number one. So we're going to go right to
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this one. This one's already been brought
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up. We had everyday balloons.
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And right off the bat like, that's the band.
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That's the bad introduces. Yeah, I guess I did say before
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like but I think of other Tunes but this obviously is a perfect
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introduction to this man and a great song.
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I mean I think it's I just played it out over the years,
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you know, you know, as many of these as I as I've done like
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the. So for bands that I'm familiar
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with that, that, excuse sometimes, that's your excuse
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for dropping. Song out some shirts, sometimes
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there's bands where like you have played it out, but you can
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realize that Nam and like, if you haven't heard of this band,
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you should still hear this. Yeah.
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And maybe that's where you fell in, you know, as my argument for
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it being the one we put on top. I remember because I was like I
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don't consider it but like if I'm going to recommend no more
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black to a person, I can't in good conscience.
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Not tell them. Listen is up first.
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Yeah, yeah. The only thing I had against
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that in that Argument was that I thought that it had more of like
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Jason's like shrieking and shredding vocals, and a jerk to
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introduce somebody into this band, may be a little bit easier
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with all the elements that really work for them because he
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has a good voice too. Like it's absolutely boys and
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people kind of maybe listen to that.
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They're like, what is he doing? Is he speaks in English like is
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he really singing? Or is he just like he comes off
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as very angry during all of this in his hand?
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Or Reason projects, He is. It's mostly melodically singing,
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that's insane. I can't picture that.
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I mean I don't know if anybody can hear it but I'm currently on
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Bluetooth headphones driving through Florida right now is I'm
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in Florida for work. Otherwise I'd look up the name
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of the band The Last projects he did but like it's mostly like
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Indie inspired hard rock with like-- melodic vocals.
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It's really pretty stuff interesting.
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Yeah yeah yeah it's got two newer bands since since No more
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black actually. Yeah, hit me up with those in in
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are no more black jet. I think I absolutely will.
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In particular the first album from his current band is like
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really, really good. It's so I sound so pathetic,
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they can't think of the name, there it is.
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So the next song that came up unanimous and I don't remember
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the order, I'm just going in the order that I have, you know,
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here this is another song that came up already the ratio of
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people to cake. Oh yeah.
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So what I love about this is like, you know, as we played
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Every Day balloons, you know, Randy immediately goes.
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Yeah, and there's the band. Um, right, like as I'm listening
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to this before we came back on, you know, again, with with we
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recorded this on phone, the first one February 7.
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So, it's already been over a month since we recorded meaning,
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I'm probably, like, two months from listening to this band
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like, Separated about right on to be able to push play on this
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playlist and hear these songs and immediately be brought right
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back to what I thought of none more black and well, every
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everyday balloons put me right there.
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Like going into ratio I was like, oh fuck, yeah.
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They they do do a little bit different stuff too.
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Yeah. They transitions in this tune,
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get me so much like the transition in that first verse
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like you to the Palm muted guitar and then like the Look in
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the chorus. Oh my God.
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The transition going. Let it go.
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No. I have to mention, you know, big
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reason why I love the song and why I wanted to pick here.
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I had a little story about and I'll kind of tell the cliff
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notes of it here, but I want to go see them not.
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They were like the second band of sticks that were playing and
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headlined by the other one that you've done with us.
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Chris Bouncing Souls. Hell.
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Yeah. And they came out and they
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played a couple songs. I believe they play dinners for
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suckers like like second or third song in.
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So after the song they kind of stopped and they're just like
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you know, switching out, gear whatever and I'm right in front,
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I'm on the rail and I'm just like ratio of people to cake
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because I wanted to scream something.
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And that was the next song in on the album.
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And then Jason just gives me the dead angry stare as just like,
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are We Done Yet? Yeah, and I was like, okay.
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I love you. Try to do Jason boys, when he
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said it to me and then I got the set list at the end of the
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night. So big laws.
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Rat, nice. He's a real one.
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So staying on the same record file under black, the next one.
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Unanimous was, dropped the pop. Oh, yeah.
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And let's rock right there.
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Like that should be played in front of 18,000 people in
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Madison Square Garden, that kind of solid without jumping up and
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down and like, waiting for that. And Has abated moment where they
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finally get into done and done. It's, it's got such a perfect
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Bill to it and such a great climactic moment when it does
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happen and who can't relate to guys.
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Singing about feeling weird at a funeral, like it's like, the
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easiest thing to ever relates to, I was first recorded this.
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I had just come from my unfortunate.
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My best friend's moms here like a day after.
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Yeah. And it was like pretty cathartic
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to talk about this song. I remember, when we Did it and
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like the music? Pretty sure I can't.
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I don't even God gets me every time, you know?
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Oh gosh, it's great. It's so good and your point
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Randy like bit the anthemic nature of the guitar in the
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beginning. It's like a little bit uplifting
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but the whole topic is so down putting it's like really
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interesting. So, the next one on our list.
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Next unanimous was. Oh, there's legwork, oh,
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I love the desert. Yeah, I was just going to say,
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like, I like that it almost has like, you know, like a Dropkick
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Murphys type energy to it, too, like a devil that Irish Boston
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Rock, little rollicking. Yeah, absolutely.
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My old roommate used to call this the perfect toppling song.
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Oh, interesting. Yeah, it's I mean, yeah, it's
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ideal. And I think what I love about
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this is that it kind of goes off, man.
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Sadiq Ali. And then there's a change in the
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verses where they kind of do this like extra Sharma.
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Think defendant and it's like any other situation.
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It might feel janky within a song but somehow they go back to
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kind of playing open chords and making work and all just Blends
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in together, so nicely, and then towards the end, like there's a
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really cathartic moment. We are the brand-new beatniks,
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we are the down and like, it's a perfect moment again.
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It's too bad that they really couldn't come up with a massive
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fan base because like I can see, you know, a couple thousand
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people like being within these moments and sing it back to
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them, you know, it's funny as you brought up that line and the
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first time we listened to it, I noticed it.
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But like it really stuck out when I listen to it just before
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we went on and I'm glad you brought it up because it had
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slipped my mind. But Like, when I heard that this
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go around us, like, oh shit. That's fucking awesome.
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How did I miss that? Last.
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Oh yeah, yeah. It's like a broken Rhythm.
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Like that's such a great line to.
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Yeah, so that's music for bleeding.
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Your feelings out of your pores, man.
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Like lutely, just about getting Feeling the rawness of being a
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human. And like that's why I love how
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voyeuristic the lyrics look. It's always about his like
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naked, thoughts like laid bare like things.
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You don't say out loud. You know?
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And I think sometimes that gets lost because, you know, there's
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a lot of like, you know, a lot of loud guitar and he's like
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yelling and you know, I used to be a lead singer in a band and
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my wife asked me once. Why do you yell or actually?
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I think she played my band for like someone she worked with and
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Coworker. Why is he yelling like that?
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And she brought that to me. She asked me, and I'm like,
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well, how the hell else am I supposed to say that?
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Like, all right, I got to go, I read the lyrics to her and I'm
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like, how else am I supposed to say that?
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Like, am I supposed to sing that?
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Like, I would, I'm mad, I'm desperately trying to
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communicate with you. What are these?
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I know was like a shocker that I don't know if it was this one.
25:57
That was a, shocker was unanimous, but the next one is
26:00
under my feet. Eat.
26:03
My favorite song If you're listening, this is getting idea
26:15
though. This is the one that really puts
26:18
it all together, in perspective of like what it feels like to go
26:25
through mental health issues and what it feels like to have
26:27
anxiety. And like, I don't know if I
26:30
really understood That back then.
26:33
But something always stuck with me with that song kind of,
26:37
knowing that, I mean you recited the line before it.
26:40
I live off antihistamine so I can bring it like that's, you
26:44
know, such a prominent line and a little things like that is
26:48
like yeah. Okay, I can connect with that, I
26:51
understand that and you know, your whole process roll song, a
26:58
guy completely laying bare that his OCD.
27:02
He has crippled him, the point where you cannot leave his
27:04
bedroom. That's literally what the first
27:05
verse is about. It's a rock and roll song that
27:07
kicks you in the teeth where he's talking about, how he is
27:10
weak and unable to defeat his mental demons.
27:12
It's amazing. Right?
27:14
And so it's yeah, I mean it's kind of its poetic and its own
27:21
little punk rock way of course, but that's really why I wanted
27:26
to do this show on no more black was because I think a lot of
27:31
people really Missing out on all these aspects and kind of what
27:34
you were saying with. You know your wife showing your
27:37
band to a co-worker. It's the yelling and stuff.
27:42
That's all surface level that's like the first thing that you
27:45
hear. If you're turned off by that and
27:48
you can't understand where they're coming from then it's
27:51
just not for you, but if you kind of feel it and you kind of
27:55
like understand it then go a little bit further with it
27:58
because it's there and it's really Incredibly relatable, I
28:05
remember there was a girl. I was dating at the end of
28:08
college and it was like, like towards I guess, I was
28:13
graduating and I did what you used to do.
28:16
Back in the day, I made her little mix CD because she live
28:18
pretty far away from my apartment, and she had to drive
28:20
all the way when I talked to her the next day.
28:22
She's like, I like, every song in that record, except for that
28:24
under my feet song, I never talk to her again.
28:29
Martinez, was it? As that's hilarious.
28:40
I feel like I knew most of your girlfriend's at the time.
28:43
No. No.
28:44
I don't think he knew. I don't want us in a person's
28:45
name. All right?
28:55
Yeah. That's that's so Punk.
28:57
Yeah. Next one.
29:03
Next this is again. Another unanimous which I think
29:05
we were all shocked with even though you guys went six and
29:08
seven with the transit Coach Ron It's so nice to get a nice
29:22
little reminder like that. Yeah, you just want to kick
29:25
something. I think the other cool thing is
29:29
with, with all seven, these songs so, so far it's like,
29:32
yeah, I rarely get a chance to like, go back and listen to the
29:36
10 that we make like that. That's the one positive here of
29:39
me or not. Do what I'm supposed to do is
29:43
hearing this and go no, yeah, we're right, we're right.
29:50
If it's amazing man it's true because like we get so myopic
29:55
when we're talking about our 20 songs and like the reasons why
29:57
we're arguing whether they should go it's we forget that we
29:59
really did come out with a bang and a little product.
30:04
I don't feel like this one was early on and you know it was all
30:08
is I think we played in Early. Yeah.
30:12
But energy-wise like I told I kept telling you guys I kept
30:15
pointing to energy energy. Energy was definitely like what
30:18
I was after and again like Kind of terrain to keep hammering
30:22
home. Randy's Point like.
30:24
Now I've got another, listen, I got another layer, this go
30:28
around. So, like, next go-round, you
30:30
know, maybe I'll get even tighter with the lyrics.
30:33
It's like, this is a, this is a band that will reveal itself to
30:37
you if you allow them to. I think it's the point that
30:40
we're trying to get at. Yep.
30:42
Absolutely. And I love this song and it's
30:46
kind of one of those things where like you just kind of
30:48
remember those call them. Dance Moms that one day I'll say
30:51
no Rahul Rahul Rahul I like you that's so ingrained in my memory
30:56
I can just be walking around the house that will pop up in my
30:59
brain. Hilarious thing is it's like we
31:01
talked about before this one actually messes me up because
31:03
it's about the struggle between taking psycho medicines that fix
31:08
your mental shift or just struggling with it, on your own,
31:12
like psychosomatic stuff like that.
31:14
You need medication to help because like the pill will help
31:16
me sleep, but also, it makes me shit myself.
31:19
It's like, do I You know, I mean it sounds like a catchy rock and
31:23
roll to you and then you want to like slam a 10-pack and drive
31:27
off a cliff, but really it's about struggling with mental
31:30
health. It's so wild like and that's,
31:33
that's a goes back to the whole Kurt Cobain thing.
31:36
He's the one that likes all the pretty songs songs and like how
31:40
he's writing in a perspective that people that are listening
31:44
are like, no, no, justjust great music and I wanted like Slam
31:49
Dancing. Like that.
31:50
But you look again beyond the surface and it's a whole other
31:55
layer of what these songs mean. You don't.
31:58
Ya know what it means. Like literally, huh.
32:01
You don't know what it is? That's the best song.
32:04
I'll die on that Hill which is a ridiculous choice but I got
32:11
drain you very high. That's good sauce.
32:14
Oh, that's a Madonna. You guys are you guys are in the
32:24
presence of somebody who will go to bed and died for all of In
32:28
Utero. So, like the sooner we leave
32:32
this, this part of the conversation, the better.
32:34
I love it. The next thing that the last one
32:38
that we have before we get to our last unanimous before we get
32:42
back to our number one, you sucker but your peanut butter is
32:45
okay. If I recall is this the one that
33:02
we were kind of shocked that got through know, this is like one
33:07
of their best songs. So I don't know, we gotta have
33:09
the, yeah, I think it was with the transit code on that.
33:12
We were probably a little shocked by because the rest of
33:15
them, I guess it didn't. I thought it was Yeah, it had
33:20
two votes I think you and I have got it and then we got to the
33:24
point where we needed. We dance on the ruins of the
33:27
stupid stage and they were like do we really want to put in
33:30
something from icons and that's what we decided upon.
33:32
So zinc on kinda had got left on The Cutting Room floor, man.
33:39
You gotta tell the story. Oh yeah.
33:42
Okay, so this one is about they were opening for against me on a
33:48
tour at one point. And against me he just signed.
33:54
It says in the stories that they just signed with fat wreck but I
33:58
want to say was when they actually you know sold out
34:03
quote-unquote and went to I don't know what their major was
34:06
probably like Atlantic or something like that.
34:09
And people really pissed at the time because you know, this is a
34:13
time where the worst thing that you can do in the punk.
34:16
Rock Community was, give your music.
34:20
Go away to major labels and you know have radio songs and have
34:24
music videos and that was very much frowned.
34:27
Upon. If you talk about Gilman Street
34:29
anytime at a band would sign with a major label that played
34:33
consistently a Gilman Street. Look, Green Day Offspring
34:36
rancid. They said you're not allowed to
34:39
play here anymore and that's a legendary venue, that's doing
34:42
that. And, you know, I think from the
34:46
standpoint of like why people were pissed Hey, I don't.
34:51
I mean actually let me let me just take it from this
34:54
direction. I think that the idea of the
34:57
song was that people would kind of bombard them backstage and
35:02
kind of try and find them and call them out.
35:04
And while doing so they would take their catering and and kind
35:10
of eat here chips and they're and they're being a butter and
35:14
all that crap. And, you know, Jason saw it, and
35:17
he was pretty pissed off about it.
35:18
And he was just like, That they took their identities from the
35:21
music to like you. You didn't even come up with
35:24
this on your own. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
35:36
And there was no way. South family and money.
36:24
Of course. It and it's like taking me a
37:20
year to read and I'm in the middle of it but every chapter
37:23
is about how a different band sold out to a major label
37:27
anywhere from like Blink-182 to jawbreaker at the drive-in.
37:31
I just read a chapter about the Donna's like ones of bands that
37:36
were in that position that people kind of you know, once
37:39
they sign major, you know they you know their fan base and
37:44
whatever kind of changed around, it's a very good rate.
37:46
If you haven't gotten to I'm all in on that sounds.
37:48
Great. So the first one that we had to
37:51
finagle in and you already mentioned it.
37:54
Randy like you guys basically decided not we need to have this
37:57
one we danced on the ruins of the stupid stage.
38:01
Let's get that one up. Here
38:17
comes up again. And he'll take the ball down,
38:22
gotta hit the magic great song and I think like, this is the
38:31
example of, like, understanding what pain playing in a rock and
38:38
roll band, does to you like, you know, I mean, Bob Seger wrote,
38:43
you know, Turn the Page, and kind of explained it in his own
38:45
way in a different setting at a different time. .
38:48
But this is sort of like the 2000s punk rock version of that
38:53
where it's like, we're, you know, we're fucking up and we're
38:56
doing this every night, we're tired.
38:59
And we're beating were broken, but we're finding a way to love
39:03
this every night to we're finding ways to have fun.
39:09
I love that lyric man. It ain't easy double working,
39:11
but that's exactly what we're doing.
39:12
Yeah, it's a struggle but we're going.
39:16
Yeah. All right.
39:19
It's just like it's another anthem of the dichotomy of being
39:24
a guy that wants to be an artist in, doesn't have the energy to
39:27
do it, no, man. Can I relate?
39:31
And then last, you know, I say last but not least, this is the
39:35
last one that had we had to argue into iron Fact,
39:56
that roof is so cool. Western sitar.
40:08
I think we all know, that's a circle pit openings on.
40:12
Yeah, I made sure that we got something
40:25
in is like I think we all liked it but like I think we felt like
40:29
most people could find icons on their own if they listen to the
40:33
rest of them or black. At me, if I'm wrong.
40:36
But I think that's where we live.
40:38
Yeah, pretty much. Nothing wrong, you know.
40:44
It's just it's just it's not no more black you know.
40:48
Yeah I think you know for me what happened was when icons
40:52
came out. I was kind of attached to other
40:55
music at the time but when I saw and I'm like, okay well I have
40:58
to listen to. This is one of my favorite
41:00
bands. I have to listen to it and I
41:02
gave it one or two listens and I'm like yeah it kind of sounds
41:05
like them but it's not I'm not getting generating the same like
41:11
Juice and attachment that I did for the songs off file and and
41:16
satire. And well, you know, and going
41:20
back on it I think what happens is those first two records with
41:24
the EP as well. I have such a bond with those
41:28
that, you know, I can't put them up against it and kind of make a
41:33
comparison. I only took two songs off that
41:35
record and thankfully, yeah, I admit it, I heard that kind of
41:41
culminated. And after the sitar part, I was
41:43
like, yep, I'm sold on that. Like give me, that was it.
41:48
What's that? It's those things.
41:49
Like Norris is the only thing you say no.
41:52
The other one I picked was when Mickey died.
41:54
I didn't take mr. Artistic or still staying still
41:58
Stern and I believe there was a yeah I believe there was a note
42:02
those those two were the only ones that made the combo.
42:04
But yeah. You gotta hear the Rhythm still
42:08
started like Norris. The intro riff is just like one
42:11
of the coolest things ever wrote, that's that, that like 20
42:14
seconds is the best part of that record.
42:18
All right, and so what I got, that's a great addition to our
42:24
10 and then to slowly to close it out.
42:26
But technically open it up we picked for our number one.
42:30
It was a unanimous, it was dinners for suckers.
42:45
I love those hammer-ons that are happening right now.
42:49
Ah, there's, it's just little touches like that, that makes
42:53
this band. You know, you might not be
42:55
thinking about it, but when you think about songs like that,
42:58
you're kind of at first, you're singing the Riff, then you have
43:01
to go to the lead guitar and sing, the lead guitar part.
43:05
And yeah, like this is a song, it's just, you know, it's Poppy.
43:12
It is fun to sing. It's Got a really catchy chorus
43:17
and, you know, I think we kind of came to the realization that
43:20
this would be the one because I think anybody can listen to it
43:24
and it like right from the start to like that drums, that get you
43:29
right into it and that one kind of like held like bent cord that
43:34
sort of lingers there for a second or so like that gets you
43:39
going. That is the sign of what no more
43:43
black is. I remember our combo actually
43:46
Randy. Like we were talking about
43:48
possibly under my feet right? Because like yeah I definitely
43:51
heard song and I think if you are dealing with anything he's
43:55
talking about Neptune it's going to speak to you maybe more than
43:58
any other song that serve especially if you have OCD.
44:01
But like the we all kind of came around while we talked and we're
44:05
like, no in good conscience. If I'm going to show this band
44:08
to somebody, this is the song they got here.
44:10
Like it's just it is what it is. Another Perfect pop punk song,
44:12
but it may be a little more perfect than the others.
44:15
Yeah. I mean when it started playing
44:18
just now like I was going to point that out I was like we put
44:22
that perf so many peas, we put that Perfect pop punk song on
44:27
another one but like holy shit like this this really is that
44:31
like this is it's got that energy.
44:33
It's got that balance, it's got its got bends.
44:36
It's got slides. It's got everything.
44:38
You want a Pop Punk song, and it's in a nice little package
44:43
right in your face. In it, 49 can ask for much
44:46
better man. Like let me have your attention
44:48
for literally less than two minutes and it's honestly and
44:53
honestly another band, you know, kind of on the scale of like a
44:57
sugar cult or a New Found, Glory could have wrote that song with
45:01
different lyrics and kind of a different attitude, but that to
45:05
me sounds like New Found Glory. Yeah.
45:08
Yeah, he did. Out of all of those bands with
45:17
the good Charlotte's and Simple Plan all that I always loved New
45:21
Found Glory. I wouldn't go that far but they
45:23
had some rest so dinners for suckers was our number one and
45:29
gents like you know, again it sucks to have lost its
45:33
impossible to redo like a real redo of an episode.
45:37
We also talked about baseball for about an hour and a half
45:39
after that is that true? That's true, which you can get
45:42
on a it really about The baseball topics, we talked about
45:46
that. So guys, are you guys are gonna
45:48
know who I think's going to win the third base job for the Mets
45:50
6 weeks ago? Well, I mean, yeah, that's that,
45:56
that one out because that went out that night like I was smart
45:59
and downloaded it. And but I that's the problem
46:01
here is I downloaded that in, like, previously I had been
46:05
downloading all of it all together, but since we had
46:08
recorded everything kind of separately, like I forgot to go
46:12
and download the The actual episode I downloaded the after
46:16
the fact. So folks if you're listening
46:19
this far the after the fact that we recorded that night will come
46:22
out tomorrow on the feed but you if you want it like now shit.
46:29
If you're a patron you already have it because it went out
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already yum. So thank you for that.
46:37
So we hope you dig none. None more black you know it's
46:41
hard to wrap these up you know because It's not the same like
46:45
we this wasn't the same but I gentlemen I think we did a great
46:49
job you know recapturing our energy for For the Love of this
46:53
band and I feel like I feel like anybody who likes pop-punk
46:58
number one, just push play, don't even ask questions.
47:01
Just push like, right. Like this band like that's
47:04
that's the easy, the easy sell. But if you like rock bleep, punk
47:09
out of it for a second. If you like rock, push play.
47:12
Give this a chance. Just literally give it a chance
47:16
and I think it was. It sounds like it shouldn't be.
47:31
So this patreon.com slash. Oh, hi Justin.
47:37
Again, you get after the fact conversations, there won't be
47:40
one because we already did it. I mean the other ones are all
47:46
there. You have access you have before
47:48
the fact. Instead.
47:49
Yes. And also before the fact and
47:53
then you also have, you know, a monthly.
47:59
Oh, hi Justin, you know, ish. You also get the program before
48:02
the rest of the world. So, you know, that there's
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reasons to pledge to patreon including, but not limited to
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getting access to certain channels in the Discord.
48:11
Also, helping Justin damn it like that.
48:14
That's if that's enough if you like this podcast, just help
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just now because this is right, you know I'm a podcaster myself
48:21
and this takes a lot of frickin work, but Justin worked harder
48:26
than I do. Because Justin is listening to
48:28
about three or four bands. Full catalogs, mostly bands that
48:32
he doesn't know at one time because he wants to give you the
48:37
opportunity to listen to them. Also dude, when you're like,
48:41
you're like, you're like, you're going to happen.
48:44
My voice isn't like, are you suicidal?
48:48
It's actually. Did you actually listen to the
48:51
entire Guided by Voices? Discography.
48:53
There's like, sound at all. Yeah, that's that's impossible.
48:56
They're all like, 54 minutes, 54 seconds long.
48:59
That is cheat to wait, like finding the cut line.
49:13
So I'll leave that up to him, but patrons at patreon is a good
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listen that all the episodes are there.
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You can listen to Randy episodes you can listen to Chris
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Easy enough to find all of them are just in episodes.
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Boom. I got to do it twice on one more
49:37
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A lot of people will see you next week.
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Goodbye.