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Dolly Parton: An American Icon · Children of the 80s

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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Children of the 80s. I am one
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  Speaker 2: of your hosts, Jim, and I am joined, as always,
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  Speaker 2: by the lady who, for some reason, thinks that I
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  Speaker 2: am going to run off with somebody named Jolene. It
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  Speaker 2: is my co-host, Lindsay.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, after the way today's been, I'd
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  Speaker 1: let Jolene take you.
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  Speaker 2: What did I do?
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  Speaker 1: Take you on down the road.
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  Speaker 2: What did I do?
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  Speaker 1: It's been a bad day over here.
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  Speaker 2: I have just completely napalmed your idea.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. It was a bad day. before that. This
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  Speaker 1: whole week has just been sideways. We originally, we were
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  Speaker 1: going to actually do a repeat because I thought I
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  Speaker 1: had a trip I had to take for work. That
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  Speaker 1: just came crumbling and fell all apart. The trip did.
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  Speaker 2: But it didn't fall all apart in time for us
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  Speaker 2: to do our regular show.
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  Speaker 1: At the last minute, it fell apart. And so we
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  Speaker 1: were still like throwing around, I guess we're going to
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  Speaker 1: have to do a repeat. And then... And.
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  Speaker 2: Then sadly... An American treasure passes away.
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  Speaker 3: My..
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what to call her. I don't
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  Speaker 1: have words. Dolly Parton passed away today at the age
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  Speaker 1: of 80.
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  Speaker 2: Your daughter's icon. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a really... If you were just going
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  Speaker 1: to use one word, let's just use that word.
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  Speaker 2: She..
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  Speaker 1: Dolly Parton was and is and will always be an icon.
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  Speaker 1: And the void she has left... In this world, now
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  Speaker 1: that she has moved on to the next, it's just profound.
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  Speaker 1: And I am just not okay with any of it.
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  Speaker 1: Just such a bummer. So I immediately said, okay, we've
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  Speaker 1: got like 45 seconds to throw together an episode, but
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  Speaker 1: we've got to do something to acknowledge her passing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I have put together this afternoon 14 pages.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: 14 pages? I kid you not. 14 pages. And since
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  Speaker 1: we've got 45 seconds, I've whittled it down to just two.
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  Speaker 1: But I share that because I really think at some
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  Speaker 1: point I want to go and do something a little
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  Speaker 1: bit bigger for her.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I think she deserves it. I don't know how you
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  Speaker 1: feel about that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yes. Like I said, Dolly Parton was
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  Speaker 2: an American treasure, not just for kids in the 80s.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But prior to that, and she was a movie star.
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  Speaker 2: I recall specifically three movies from her in the 80s. Rhinestone,
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  Speaker 2: Best Little Whorehouse in Texas, and 9 to 5.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And then, of course, she had top 40 hits.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait. You left off Steel Magnolias.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Steel. Was that in the 80s?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Was that 90? It was in the 80s? Okay. So
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  Speaker 2: Steel Magnolias, yes. She had top 40 hits on the
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  Speaker 2: Billboard and obviously then the country charts as well. She
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  Speaker 2: was just one amazing lady.
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  Speaker 1: Six decades.
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  Speaker 2: Six decades of hits.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. She had songs on the charts for six decades.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe if we have some time here in the
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  Speaker 1: near future, can we do something just a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more planned out? Because I do think she deserves it.
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  Speaker 1: Emmy is a huge Dolly Parton fan. So anybody that
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  Speaker 1: listens knows that I love country music. I grew up
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  Speaker 1: on country. 80s country, 70s country, maybe even before when
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  Speaker 1: it was country western music.
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  Speaker 2: Country and western.
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  Speaker 1: You feel the opposite about country music that I do,
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  Speaker 1: and I felt you pulling Emmy to your side. And
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  Speaker 1: she stayed kind of pulling more closer to your side
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  Speaker 1: than my side until she heard Dolly Parton. And then
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  Speaker 1: she's now on my side and you'll never get her
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  Speaker 1: back again.
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  Speaker 2: No, she's rocking out as well. I think she can
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  Speaker 2: do it all. And maybe when we do the fuller
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  Speaker 2: episode of Dolly, that's when you can get Emmy in
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  Speaker 2: here and ask her the questions that you wanted to
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  Speaker 2: ask her tonight. You did not realize that she was
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  Speaker 2: going to come home from the school of rock with
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  Speaker 2: hours worth of homework and have to take a shower
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  Speaker 2: and with a hurting mouth because I got braces put
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  Speaker 2: on her today. Um, So I think that I napalmed
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  Speaker 2: your plans.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit, but that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: And so therefore you're stuck with me instead of her.
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  Speaker 2: But you can ask me those questions and I'll answer them.
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  Speaker 1: You know what they call me, right?
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  Speaker 2: Go with the flow, Lindsay?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. There's a reason why.
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  Speaker 2: No one calls you that.
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  Speaker 1: Well. So I know Emmy's favorite Dolly Parton song is Jolene.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I wanted her to bring in her acoustic and
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  Speaker 2: play it. And she was like, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: go in there and serenade a microphone. And I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: That's what you do as a musician.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, how is it any different than you
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  Speaker 2: playing it in your room?
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  Speaker 1: You're right. What's your favorite Dolly song?
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  Speaker 2: It's either Here You Come Again. I mean, you can't
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  Speaker 2: pick a bad one.
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  Speaker 3: No, you really can't. So, you know mine.
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  Speaker 1: Islands in the Stream?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I snorted that too.
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  Speaker 2: Hard Candy Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: Hard Candy Christmas is my favorite Dolly Parton song.
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  Speaker 3: Me, I'll be just fine and dandy Lord, it's like
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  Speaker 3: a hard candy Christmas I'm barely getting through tomorrow But
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  Speaker 3: still I won't let sorrow bring.
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  Speaker 2: Me way down.
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  Speaker 1: Have we shared this story, the islands in the stream story?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, we have.
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  Speaker 1: We have. Okay. Back when we just first started dating,
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  Speaker 1: before Jim had a grasp of my sarcastic sense of humor,
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  Speaker 1: I looked at him one evening and I said, every
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  Speaker 1: couple has a song. What's our song? And he debated
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  Speaker 1: on hightailing it and running, but he stayed and played
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  Speaker 1: along with me and still joking. I said, I think
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  Speaker 1: our song should be Islands in the Stream. And he
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  Speaker 1: went along with it. And for years, he thought I
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  Speaker 1: was serious. I did.
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  Speaker 2: I did. Because I thought that our song should be
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  Speaker 2: Don't Stand So Close to Me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, technically it is. We were married before it finally,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I was joking, right? And
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  Speaker 1: you had no idea. Because I kept the joke going.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't understand you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Still barely do.
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  Speaker 1: I've decided since this is going to be an abbreviated episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're just going to focus on one particular Dolly song.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But before we do that, I got a little, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I need to do a little tribute. So
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  Speaker 1: do you have a second for me to do that?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So there are celebrities, there are legends, and then
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  Speaker 1: there are those rare people who somehow become part of
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  Speaker 1: the fabric of our lives. Dolly Parton was one of
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  Speaker 1: those people. For nearly six decades, Dolly entertained the world
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  Speaker 1: as a singer, songwriter, musician, actress, author, businesswoman, and philanthropist.
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  Speaker 1: But even that list doesn't quite capture what she became.
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  Speaker 1: For those of us who grew up in the 70s
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  Speaker 1: and 80s, Dolly seemed like she had simply always just
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  Speaker 1: been there. She was on our radio. She was on
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  Speaker 1: our TV set. She was in our movies. We sang
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  Speaker 1: along with her to 9 to 5. We knew islands
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  Speaker 1: in the stream. We all watched Steel Magnolias except apparently
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  Speaker 1: Little Jim. Our parents knew her songs and then those
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  Speaker 1: songs became our songs too. Somewhere along the way, Dolly
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  Speaker 1: stopped belonging only to country music and she became part
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  Speaker 1: of the American culture.
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  Speaker 2: She did. I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Today I want to focus on one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: Dolly songs. Again, Hard Candy Christmas will always be my favorite.
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  Speaker 1: One of my favorites. Go ahead and play it for me.
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  Speaker 3: Goodbye, please don't cry. We both know that I'm not
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  Speaker 3: what you need.
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  Speaker 1: That is I Will Always Love You.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Do you like Dolly's version or Whitney's version better? Remember,
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  Speaker 1: this is a tribute to Dolly.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in that case, I'm going to say Dolly's version.
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  Speaker 2: I can't really pick. They're both phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: They are, but they're actually both very different, wouldn't you say?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so... I want to talk a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: this song, how it came to be, and its evolution
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  Speaker 1: over the years. Dolly wrote I Will Always Love You,
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  Speaker 1: basically one of the greatest love songs.
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  Speaker 2: Of all time.
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  Speaker 3: Kanye.
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  Speaker 1: She wrote it. because she was basically trying to quit
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  Speaker 1: her job and get away from a boss that she
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  Speaker 1: was just over. By the early 1970s, Dolly was ready
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  Speaker 1: to leave the Porter-Wagoner show and establish herself completely as
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  Speaker 1: a solo artist. Porter was notoriously extremely controlling, and he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't having it. Quite frankly, and this is just Lindsay's opinion,
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  Speaker 1: he knew if Dolly got away, he lost his cash cow.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Dolly later recalled that they argued about her leaving repeatedly.
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  Speaker 1: She tried explaining that she was grateful for everything that
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  Speaker 1: he had done for her, but she just needed to
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  Speaker 1: move on. So Dolly finally did what Dolly did best,
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  Speaker 1: and she sat down and she wrote a song. And
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  Speaker 1: in 1973, she wrote not just any song. She wrote,
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  Speaker 1: I Will Always Love You. And then she went to
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  Speaker 1: Porter and she sang it for him. And according to Dolly,
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  Speaker 1: after hearing the song, he finally agreed that she could
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  Speaker 1: leave on the one condition that he be allowed to
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  Speaker 1: produce the album or the record that that song would
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  Speaker 1: be on. So one of the most famous love songs
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  Speaker 1: ever written wasn't really originally about the end of a
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  Speaker 1: romantic relationship. It was the end of basically a business agreement.
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  Speaker 1: Her original recording reached number one on the country charts
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  Speaker 1: in 1974. Then she recorded it again for The Best
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  Speaker 1: Little Whorehouse in Texas in 1982, and it went to
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  Speaker 1: number one again. But that's only the beginning of the story.
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  Speaker 1: Years before Whitney Houston ever even dreamed about recording this song,
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  Speaker 1: Elvis wanted to record I Will Always Love You. So
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  Speaker 1: for Dolly..
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  Speaker 2: If I could..
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  Speaker 1: You just can't help yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: So for Dolly, this would be huge, right? To have
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  Speaker 1: Elvis cut one of her songs. She loved Elvis, and
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  Speaker 1: she was thrilled that he wanted to record something that
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  Speaker 1: she had written. But just before the recording was supposed
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  Speaker 1: to happen, Elvis's manager, Colonel Tom Parker, told Dolly that
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  Speaker 1: Elvis didn't record songs unless they received a significant portion
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  Speaker 1: of the publishing rights.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, goodness.
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  Speaker 1: Now, remember..
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, Colonel.
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  Speaker 1: Colonel Tom Parker is a crook.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That meant Dolly would have to give up part of
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  Speaker 1: her ownership of I Will Always Love You. And Dolly said, Nah. Nah.
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  Speaker 1: Not gonna do it. She later admitted that she cried
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  Speaker 1: all night over that decision. She desperately wanted Elvis to
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  Speaker 1: sing her song, but she knew that giving away the
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  Speaker 1: publishing rights wasn't the right business decision for her.
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  Speaker 2: It was not.
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  Speaker 1: So she walked away. And Dolly just kept her song.
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  Speaker 1: Good for her. Yep. Now, nearly 20 years later, that
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  Speaker 1: decision would become worth millions of dollars. In 1992, Whitney
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  Speaker 1: Houston recorded I Will Always Love You for the movie
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  Speaker 1: The Bodyguard. Have you seen that movie?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, good. And everything changed for everybody. Whitney's recording became
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  Speaker 1: a worldwide phenomenon and one of the biggest selling singles ever.
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  Speaker 1: In music history. Of all time. Dolly reportedly earned around
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  Speaker 1: $ 10 million in publishing royalties during the 90s alone from
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  Speaker 1: Whitney's version of the song. And what Dolly did with
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  Speaker 1: some of that money makes the story even better. She
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  Speaker 1: invested some of her royalties into property in a historically
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  Speaker 1: black area of Nashville. Dolly loved the symbolism of taking
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  Speaker 1: money generated by Whitney Houston's extraordinary recording and investing it
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  Speaker 1: back into a black community. She later joked about the
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  Speaker 1: investment and said, this is the house that Whitney built.
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  Speaker 1: Dolly's departure from Porter Wagner wasn't quite as peaceful as
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics to the song make it sound. Their business
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  Speaker 1: relationship became complicated after Dolly left, Porter eventually filed a
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  Speaker 1: multi-million dollar lawsuit against her. They ultimately settled out of court.
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  Speaker 1: But years later, Porter experienced serious financial problems and was
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  Speaker 1: forced to sell assets, including his publishing catalog.
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  Speaker 2: Did Dolly buy it?
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  Speaker 1: That's when Dolly stepped in. She purchased Porter's song catalog.
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  Speaker 1: She knew how much those songs meant to him, and
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  Speaker 1: she didn't want them simply disappearing into someone else's hands. Then,
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  Speaker 1: years later, Dolly gave the catalog back to Porter as
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  Speaker 1: a gift. So you think about that. She wrote, I
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  Speaker 1: will always love you, trying to get away from him. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: she did. He agreed to the terms, right? She let
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  Speaker 1: him produce her album. But then he still sued her
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  Speaker 1: for breach of contract for leaving the show. They had
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  Speaker 1: to settle out of court. Who knows what she paid him.
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  Speaker 1: But decades later, when he needed her help, she was there.
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  Speaker 2: She bought it and she could have kept it like
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  Speaker 2: Michael Jackson did to Paul McCartney.
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  Speaker 1: And maybe that's why the title of that song ended
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  Speaker 1: up being more appropriate than anyone even realized because she
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  Speaker 1: did always love him.
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  Speaker 2: It was an act of love.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So, full circle moment.
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  Speaker 2: She would have melted Anna with that act of love.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Full circle moment. And that was one I picked
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  Speaker 1: that to focus on when I thought it was going
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  Speaker 1: to be Emmy in here in the podcast studio with
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  Speaker 1: me because I wanted her to see Dolly always took
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  Speaker 1: the high road.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Let other people work that out. That's between them and
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  Speaker 1: their God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's what my grandmother always said. You take the high road.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's responsible for themselves.
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  Speaker 2: I always take the low road.
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  Speaker 1: I do too. How awesome is it that Emmy has
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  Speaker 1: such a good role model she can always look up to?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good stuff. And she loves Dolly. She claims,
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  Speaker 2: now this is a girl who's been to Disney World
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  Speaker 2: like 20 times.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And been to Paris and claims that our trip to
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  Speaker 2: Dollywood was the best trip ever.
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  Speaker 1: I know she does. She does. And I love that.
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  Speaker 1: We have the most fantastic memories of our trip to
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  Speaker 1: Pigeon Forge, Gatlinburg, Dollywood, that whole area. We had so
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  Speaker 1: much fun.
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  Speaker 3: We did.
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  Speaker 2: We had a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's all I got for you, Jim Butler.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I don't have a lot other than, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I love Dolly too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, you look tired.
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  Speaker 2: Am I tired?
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  Speaker 1: And you're hopping off here and you're doing a podcast
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  Speaker 1: with someone else. I worry for them.
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  Speaker 2: I worry for them too.
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  Speaker 1: Your eyes are a little swollen. They're swole.
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  Speaker 2: My eyes are swole?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wish my arms were swole.
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  Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence, he's a little swole.
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  Speaker 2: I wish my belly wasn't swole.
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  Speaker 1: I know, right? Okay, so not your typical Children of
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  Speaker 1: the 80s episode. We'll get back on track next week, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no. We will. We will.
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  Speaker 1: But what is back on track? I mean, that's subjective.
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  Speaker 2: We will get back on track with a normal length episode.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But we are also going to do the number 25...
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  Speaker 2: songs of the year for the 1980s, counting them down
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  Speaker 2: from 10 to 1, 10 being the worst, 1 being
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  Speaker 2: the best, as voted on by our Patreon members.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds like fun.
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  Speaker 2: Our Patreon members rank them each song 1 to 10.
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  Speaker 2: I did my little formula.
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  Speaker 1: Did you?
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  Speaker 2: And I've got them set up 1 through 10, and
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  Speaker 2: I have a feeling that you're probably going to be
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  Speaker 2: highly disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, geez.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I will.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: We'll look forward to that. You can find us. We're
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  Speaker 2: Childrenofthe1980s at gmail.com.
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  Speaker 1: And we're on Patreon. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, hey, if you want to
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  Speaker 2: get in that voting and that ranking system and you
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  Speaker 2: ahead and sign up on Patreon for as little as $ 10.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, as little as $ 5.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, but if you want to give us $ 10,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: that's fine, too.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. But for as little as $ 5 a month, you
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: can sign up, and then you get to vote in
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: stuff like that. You get special polls, and you get
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: our episodes, which, by the way, we will have another
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: one coming out by next weekend.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Boy, we better get our act together then.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: We should.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: We should.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: We're running out of time here in August.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Well..
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Until next time, I'm Jim.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And I'm Lindsay. And we are Children of the 80s.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: See you next Wednesday.