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Bachelor OGs · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Hey guys, welcome to the Almost
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  Speaker 1: Famous podcast. Hello Ben back, We're back and we got
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  Speaker 1: another Goat episode to talk about. This was the first
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  Speaker 1: episode um of Goat that I didn't I never watched
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  Speaker 1: these these seasons. You know, it was way back in
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  Speaker 1: the day. I think I was a freshman in high school.
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  Speaker 1: It was Alex, Michelle and Trista Ren's before she was Sutter,
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  Speaker 1: and it was fun. It was fun to see how
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  Speaker 1: much the show has evolved since. Yeah, it's still the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like trist Is especially is the
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  Speaker 1: the kind of like the foundation that it feels like
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  Speaker 1: every season has been built off of. Like it just
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  Speaker 1: feels like the one you look back on. You go,
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  Speaker 1: that season will always be remembered. When somebody comes out
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  Speaker 1: to me, they go, oh, I've watched this since Trista
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  Speaker 1: this season, right, That's that's what they say. Alex doesn't
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  Speaker 1: get brought up very much anymore. There's reasons for that.
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  Speaker 1: We'll talk about it with Bob Guinea later in the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But like Alex hasn't shown up and Trista still has
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  Speaker 1: continued to be like a building block and in a
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  Speaker 1: rock for the franchise for the last you know how
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  Speaker 1: many years, seventeen eighteen years. She's just one of those staples.
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  Speaker 1: Like when people think of the franchise, I think of Trista,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and they should after so many years of marriage. Definitely,
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  Speaker 1: it was a great thing to watch. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: it throughout the whole podcast, but let's start Ashley once
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  Speaker 1: again with hot topics in Bachelor Nation. This is one
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  Speaker 1: of our favorite segments and listeners. You've written us in
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  Speaker 1: and said it's one of years as well, and there's
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  Speaker 1: definitely hot topics talk about today, including this one, which
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  Speaker 1: might be maybe the one we need to dive into
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  Speaker 1: the most. A lot of opinions here that we've gotten
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  Speaker 1: about the Cassie and Colton break up. This headline reads,
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  Speaker 1: Cassie Randolph says she's had an awful few months following
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  Speaker 1: breakup with Colton Underwood. What I didn't realize until seeing
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  Speaker 1: this article, Cassie was off Instagram for a whole thirty days.
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  Speaker 1: How did I not realize that? Yeah, I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: it either. Now one is I don't media, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but like you would notice it right like that would
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  Speaker 1: feel like something because I love Cassie's. Cassie's like one
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  Speaker 1: of the people that I actually like, really watched her
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  Speaker 1: stories and I like, like every single picture. She was
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  Speaker 1: gone for thirty days because dealing with social media and
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  Speaker 1: the trolls, because so many people are coming at her
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  Speaker 1: as being like the cause of the breakup with Colton
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  Speaker 1: and nobody really understanding what went down that she was
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  Speaker 1: just like, nope, I'm gonna get out of this for
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  Speaker 1: a while. So I mean, let's let's dive into this.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna make some assumptions, which is never healthy or good.
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  Speaker 1: But does it feel I mean, it feels like Cassie
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  Speaker 1: has definitely taken this pretty hard, and it said she
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  Speaker 1: says it in the interview, like this has been really
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  Speaker 1: tough on her so much that she's had to delete
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  Speaker 1: social media. Now Colton on in their hand, Um, who
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  Speaker 1: was the one that got broken up with? At least
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  Speaker 1: that's what we think, right, I mean, why why is
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  Speaker 1: it that that we assume that we all do? I
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  Speaker 1: think it's been the rumor. Now I know how this
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  Speaker 1: goes down, But is it because of the past because
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  Speaker 1: we saw them on The Bachelor and how he needed
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  Speaker 1: to chase her, and she wasn't like, there are we
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  Speaker 1: just assuming that she ended up never being a PC there, Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's the first assumption we should probably like shut down
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  Speaker 1: amongst everybody's I don't think we know. And I know
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  Speaker 1: that even having a breakup publicly, people start assuming things like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: why did you have to end it? You know, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you definitely ended it, And neither one of them. I
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  Speaker 1: think they both have respect for each other enough to
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  Speaker 1: like not want to come out and be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is how actually went down. It's not our business.
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  Speaker 1: We don't need to know. But what is intriguing is
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  Speaker 1: that Cassie felt like she had to delete social media
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  Speaker 1: because it was so hard. Yeah, and Cassie did go
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  Speaker 1: and talk to Chris Harrison on last night's episode, and
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  Speaker 1: she was super vague. She was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about this, and it was like, cast you
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  Speaker 1: cute little thing. The only reason they have they're having
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  Speaker 1: you on right now is to talk about what possibly
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  Speaker 1: happened between you and Colton. But she was so respectful
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  Speaker 1: of him and their privacy. I loved it. I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was super tasteful. Um, she didn't budge, she didn't
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  Speaker 1: care that Harrison like kept kind of prying. She's like,
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  Speaker 1: what happened between us is going to stay between us,
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  Speaker 1: but it hasn't been easy for either of us. She
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  Speaker 1: said that they're both in you know that they're in
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  Speaker 1: close contact. They're still very friendly. Um, but no reasoning
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  Speaker 1: as to why they broke up. She does say in
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram caption when she returned to the platform a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days ago, that she just didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: deal with constant drama, fake articles, nasty d m s
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  Speaker 1: and comments and rumors started by people who feel entitled
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  Speaker 1: to her personal life. She says it takes incredible strength
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  Speaker 1: to shrug off strangers who regularly criticize your character based
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  Speaker 1: on conclusions that they drew while watching an edited TV show.
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  Speaker 1: I could say so much here, but it just feels
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  Speaker 1: like an uphill battle. This is tough. Breakups are really
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  Speaker 1: hard in this franchise, especially when they're public. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Colton has deleted social media. No, he's
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  Speaker 1: been pretty active. So the breakup, yes, has been hard.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm sure doesn't help. It never
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  Speaker 1: helps when then rumors start swirling, you know, like there's
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  Speaker 1: already been Colton and maddest Maddie rumors because of their
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  Speaker 1: like comments back and forth on social media that happened.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it felt like right afterwards. I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the exact timeline. I imagine for Cassie it
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  Speaker 1: is like hurtful. I imagine, not not that Colton or
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  Speaker 1: Maddie or do anything wrong, but I do imagine that
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  Speaker 1: seeing that brings about a pain that you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to feel and set yourself up for the bottom line
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  Speaker 1: here is that the two of them are dealing with
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  Speaker 1: having a breakup, but a breakup that is in public
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  Speaker 1: and neither of them have have to have had to
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  Speaker 1: do that before. And be gentle on them and don't assume.
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  Speaker 1: I know that we started out this with an assumption
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  Speaker 1: and then we said, but we don't know, so don't
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  Speaker 1: assume and like blame people for a story you don't
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  Speaker 1: have any part of. Well, our assumption is this. Our
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  Speaker 1: assumption is that we don't know the truth, you know.
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  Speaker 1: That's our assumption is that we we just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Be gentle to them both. And it sounds like Cassie me,
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  Speaker 1: especially after watch that interview, like you know, being sensitive
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  Speaker 1: to the situation. Is a necessary thing for all a
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  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation, this is not easy. Well, speaking of exes
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  Speaker 1: and breakups during Bachelor Nation, Caitlin Bristow says that she
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  Speaker 1: believes ex Sean Booth is holding on to anger, reveals
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  Speaker 1: he ignored her text about late dog. Yeah, so I
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  Speaker 1: was wonder I didn't ask Klin, but I was wondering
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  Speaker 1: whether she was going to reach out to Sean when
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  Speaker 1: his dog died. Tucker a couple, I guess a month
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  Speaker 1: or so ago, and she said she did on Becca
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  Speaker 1: and Tanya's podcast, but that he didn't respond. So she
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  Speaker 1: so from that, she says, I play this scenario in
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  Speaker 1: my head more than I should, because first of all,
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  Speaker 1: I think, and again I'm not trying to speak for him,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know, but I truly think that he
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  Speaker 1: just will never understand me or respect certain decisions. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that he's just going to hold on to
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  Speaker 1: some anger with me. That's how I feel. So I
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  Speaker 1: would be nervous because I would probably play nice. This
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  Speaker 1: is if they were to run into each other, if
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  Speaker 1: they were to run into each other in real life
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  Speaker 1: around Nashville, which is actually shocking that it hasn't happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yet because I feel like Nashville is that kind of
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  Speaker 1: community where you just like keep running into people, especially
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  Speaker 1: of like their celebrity status. Um, she goes, So that's
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  Speaker 1: just how I feel. I would be nervous because I
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  Speaker 1: would probably play nice even though he hurt me so
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  Speaker 1: terribly and things that I've never even talked about publicly.
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  Speaker 1: I hold on to anger too, and I know that
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  Speaker 1: if I saw him, I wouldn't be able to be
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  Speaker 1: like whatever, Um, that's just not me, the this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing again. I mean, I don't want to keep bringing
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  Speaker 1: back my experience. I would be so and Ashley tell
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  Speaker 1: me if I'm crazy, Listeners tell me if I'm crazy.
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  Speaker 1: But when I have an X, especially when that's a
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  Speaker 1: long term X, a meaningful X, living in like, I
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  Speaker 1: have this little fear that I'm going to run into
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  Speaker 1: him again, and it's like something I like dread, Like
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  Speaker 1: I would never want to live in a town the
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  Speaker 1: size of Nashville, which isn't massive, with somebody who I
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  Speaker 1: dated for so long, knowing that any given time I
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  Speaker 1: could run into them, Like I'm sure Caitlin is a
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  Speaker 1: bigger person than me, but like that for me just
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  Speaker 1: sounds really scared well, I mean, she's saying it's scary,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope it doesn't happen because I won't be
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  Speaker 1: able to fake it. I won't be able to fake nice. Okay, good, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I just like that is like one of my
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  Speaker 1: I have these weird moments, and especially you know, I've
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  Speaker 1: I've talked about in the podcast before where I was
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  Speaker 1: in New York right after the breakup and Laurens across
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  Speaker 1: the street. Uh, your heart sinks, so she feels like
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  Speaker 1: Sean's holding on the anger. Uh you know, I know
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  Speaker 1: this is again one of those situations we don't know
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  Speaker 1: a lot about. It's a breakup. We don't want to
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  Speaker 1: dive into the drama of how it existed and what
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  Speaker 1: happened there, but it is something that she's publicly announced now. Um. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I also want to read what she said about
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  Speaker 1: Tucker's passing and how she dealt with that. Was Sean,
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  Speaker 1: she said, Obviously I was devastated for him because that
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  Speaker 1: was just like his absolute best friend. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: for sure he would have reached out to me to
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  Speaker 1: say either hey, we're going to put him down, or hey,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't want you to have to find out through
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  Speaker 1: Instagram or something like that. But I can't hold that
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  Speaker 1: against him, she said. Everybody grieves so differently. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I would want to talk to anybody in
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  Speaker 1: the War Old if I lost one of my dogs,
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  Speaker 1: because it would just be like, it would just be
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  Speaker 1: so not I would just be so not okay. But
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  Speaker 1: I did reach out to him and I said something like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry if you need to talk, Um, I'm devastated.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine how you feel. And he didn't respond. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to I don't know how to handle breakups. Everybody does
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  Speaker 1: it differently. But that doesn't sound like the two of
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  Speaker 1: them have seen each other. And that's a good takeaway
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  Speaker 1: from this is they have not yet ran into each
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  Speaker 1: other in Nashville, and I pray they don't. Yeah, we
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  Speaker 1: don't want to form either. Uh well, hey, final headline
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  Speaker 1: of UM this week, it feels like, come in, come on.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Cameron invited model Melissa and Zoltko to stay with
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  Speaker 1: him after flirting on How do I know this? How
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  Speaker 1: do we know that he invited her to stay with him?
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  Speaker 1: Or do we just yes? Or do we just know
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  Speaker 1: that the two of them have stayed together. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we all know that Tyler is playing the field right now.
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  Speaker 1: He is definitely I wouldn't imagine that he settles down
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  Speaker 1: with one person right now. I think I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: assume here he's having too much fun. But according to
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  Speaker 1: Cosmo and E news Um, Julissa Julissa took the trip
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  Speaker 1: um from very four away in Miami to visit him
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  Speaker 1: and Jupiter. It's like it's two hours away, um and
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  Speaker 1: they connected through social media. They you know, they're they've
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  Speaker 1: been hanging out for a few days. Apparently things are casual,
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  Speaker 1: definitely into each other. But the bottom line is he's
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  Speaker 1: She's been hanging at the house with Matt James and
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  Speaker 1: doing normal Florida things like going out in the boat.
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  Speaker 1: They've been going out to eat, hanging out each other's houses.
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  Speaker 1: They have a good chemistry, according to this source, on
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  Speaker 1: a strong flirtation. But like I have assumed, Tyler doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want anything serious right now. I read yesterday somewhere that
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  Speaker 1: it looks like the two of them have gone to
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  Speaker 1: the Bahamas. Um. So that's sound that's sounding serious. That's
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  Speaker 1: pretty big sept Well, speaking of Matt, James. Uh my
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  Speaker 1: final opinion piece of the hot topics. Actually two things here,
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  Speaker 1: one like topic. Yeah. I have never received more text
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  Speaker 1: or phone calls from friends of mine being asked to
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  Speaker 1: be signed up for The Bachelor this season than I
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  Speaker 1: have this next upcoming season. Matt James is a hot
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  Speaker 1: topic in himself, and I do know from a few
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  Speaker 1: people that know him personally really well, went to college
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  Speaker 1: with them and have known him after. It sounds like
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  Speaker 1: Matt is the total package. It sounds like he is
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  Speaker 1: a great guy, super athletics, super nice, very very kind
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  Speaker 1: to those around him. Uh and uh and so hey,
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  Speaker 1: he is a hot commodity. It sounds like he should
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  Speaker 1: be a hot commodity. And it also feels I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if I were to guess, the Bachelor is not going
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  Speaker 1: to have a hard time casting for his season. So
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  Speaker 1: when it's a good casting season, it's typically a really
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  Speaker 1: good season. Yes. And I want to also say that
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  Speaker 1: I've had friends who have reached out to me and
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  Speaker 1: been like I've never I've always like debated the idea
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  Speaker 1: of signing up for the show, But now that Matt
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  Speaker 1: is announced, like, this is the time for me, This
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  Speaker 1: is the time for Matt James and hey it should
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  Speaker 1: be well, hey, that's all we have for Bachelor hot topics.
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  Speaker 1: We'll take one more break. When we come back, We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna speak with Bob guinea Yes, Bob Guiney, who is
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  Speaker 1: a friend to the Almost Famous podcast, who is a
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  Speaker 1: contestant from Trista wren now Setters season, and then finish
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  Speaker 1: up with a mystery guests who you may have never
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  Speaker 1: heard of, but you should have. Uh, we'll be back
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  Speaker 1: Balmost Podcast all right, before we get one of Trista's
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  Speaker 1: contestants on. If you guys watched last night Her Her
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  Speaker 1: Greatest Her Goat episode, you guys are probably thinking a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the same things that I was thinking, starting
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  Speaker 1: with oh my god, those suits, Ben, can you believe
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  Speaker 1: that fashion? And it wasn't like one guy, all the men,
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  Speaker 1: including Chris Harrison and the and Alex the lead, we're
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  Speaker 1: wearing the most awful baggy suits. And I had no
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  Speaker 1: idea that was the trend early in the two thousand's baggy,
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  Speaker 1: unfitted suits. I had no clue either, But it is
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  Speaker 1: like how unflattering there? You know, I'm not a fashion guy,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not. I tried to like watch and be
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  Speaker 1: the best I can, but like I don't typically see it,
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  Speaker 1: but I was watching it and it's hard to kind
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  Speaker 1: of watch, like it's so unflattering. It's like it's like
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  Speaker 1: almost looks goofy. It's so goofy, it looks like a
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  Speaker 1: cartoon character. They're swimming in them. When did that start
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  Speaker 1: to go away? I mean, even Chris Harrison walks out
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  Speaker 1: with a suit that's like going past his hands. He
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  Speaker 1: can barely like walk because his pant legs are so bagging.
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  Speaker 1: Why even work out if you're gonna like have to
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  Speaker 1: swim in a suit and like not show any of
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  Speaker 1: your definition. Think about like that suit that Alex wore,
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  Speaker 1: and then fast forward like fifteen years to see the
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  Speaker 1: suit that Nick would wear. Oh it's yeah, Nick Nick
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  Speaker 1: suit stretching material to be so like tight. But don't
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  Speaker 1: you think that Nick really wears a suit? He does, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's like the perfect build for it. The
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  Speaker 1: guys like, yeah, he looks I mean he has a
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  Speaker 1: third teen pack, so yeah, he looks good in a suit. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, you're right. I Mean that's the thing is
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  Speaker 1: we were watching. That was one of the biggest takeaways,
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  Speaker 1: and I think it was as we you know, are
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  Speaker 1: seeing Twitter blow up. Is these baggy suits are I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think they're humorous, Like they're hilarious. The girls. The
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  Speaker 1: girls dresses weren't that much better, but you know that
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  Speaker 1: is about evolving fashion. The suits. You would think that
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  Speaker 1: a suit would be classic, but those just wrerant. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: My second thought was why doesn't Chris Harrison like the
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  Speaker 1: first thing I want him to ask these people or
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  Speaker 1: is like did you find love? Do you have a family?
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes he doesn't even ask these people, um where they're
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  Speaker 1: at in the romance department? Well, and it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny because this is a show built on us
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  Speaker 1: celebrating romance. It's it's following these contestants no matter if
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  Speaker 1: it works out or not, and hopefully celebrating them as
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  Speaker 1: a Batchel Nation fan myself into their future as we
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  Speaker 1: see their whole love story play out. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: we watched the show. I think the drama but also
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  Speaker 1: the love. We've always said that here and it isn't
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  Speaker 1: a question that he asked. I want to know it,
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  Speaker 1: like I want to know where these people are doing
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  Speaker 1: these days. Of course he does ask you know, the
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  Speaker 1: big people, but he had two of the girls on
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  Speaker 1: from Alex's season and They're sitting there on a split
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  Speaker 1: screen and I have no idea whether they found love
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  Speaker 1: or in the past twenty years. It made me sad.
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  Speaker 1: The uh, you know what, these follow ups, these follow
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  Speaker 1: up shows have been awesome for so many reasons. And
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  Speaker 1: and I don't like if I was sitting down at
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  Speaker 1: a over a cocktail with these past guests, like these
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  Speaker 1: are the questions I would ask, where are you at now?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe this is just a thing. I'm like, what
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  Speaker 1: are you doing? And how did this show change your life?
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm sure it changed all of theirs in some
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  Speaker 1: way or another. Yeah. Another thing I kind of laughed
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: at was when Alex was kind of telling Amanda that
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: she was the one. He was like, so, here's the deal. Like,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: I like you, I've I've enjoyed spending time with you,
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: and I can't wait to spend more time with you.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: But the thing is this, we don't really know each
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: other that well. And here's a ring that I have
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: picked out for one day if I decided to repose
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: to you. Now, let's go, uh, let's let's go live
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: closer together. It was so funny so realistic. And then
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: when he broke When he broke up with Trista, it
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: was the nicest breakup I've ever heard. But it was
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: also so simple. Today we drag out the breakup, right,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it's like, you're wonderful when you were this and and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: then there's that big turning point. But but with him,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: he was like, hey, Trista, it was great getting to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: know you, but you know what, it's not you. And
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: she was like okay, and then like she smiled. They
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: smile on the way out. Same with um Charlie and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Trista at the end of her season, the breakups were
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: so lovely friendly. Smiley understand like everybody understood that it
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was best for the person to end up with the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: other one. It was. It was kind of hilarious. I
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: was like, wait, did they actually like each other? Well?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: And that's a takeaway that I think we're seeing now
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: is it's an evolution of the show. I would say,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: like breakups now are hard on the show. They're not
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: easy that I don't know if they should be easy.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I think most of the breakups that in some way
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: or another from week one on all had their own
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: different amount of like hurt and pain to them. At
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: least they were difficult to do. I do think it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: because the show has probably learned how to cultivate more
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: romantic and deeper relationships quicker than it did back then.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: That's it, because it didn't matter like it does hurt.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: You know, when you say goodbody to your final two.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: As viewers, I would to know that you had a
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: real relationship. As contestants. I think you want to know
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: that you had a real relationship with a bachelor and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: or the Bachelorette, and I think vice versa. You do
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: have a real relationship, and so it hurts to do
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it feels like a weird, real breakup. Yeah, I disagree.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: All right, well I got more questions, but let's talk
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: to somebody who was actually there for it all. Alright, guys,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: we have Bob Guinea on the line, and I thought
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: it was unfortunate we didn't get to see much of
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: him in this greatest you know, this goat episode of
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette. All we saw was your intro, Bob, What
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the heck? Oh man? You know, who knows? There's so
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: much to get to with Tristan. You know there's a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: lot going on there. I mean she's she is the
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: the o G as far as having you know, been
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: on the first show and then being recast on another episode,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: which that she was the first one to do that.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I think I was the first reject of the men's
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: side that got recast. You're the first reused you. You
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: were one of the most recognizable faces from Bachelor Nation ever. Like,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I'm shocked that they didn't show you. Yeah, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I will tell you. They did call ahead of time.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: We were going to originally do a full interview and stuff,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and then they about two days before hand, said, you
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: know what, we just it's not gonna work out. We're
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: doing so many different segments of trist this season, and um,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you know, the wedding and the and the big show
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: and everything, but it's really about Trista, you know. So
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I was I was glad they showed me at all.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: That makes me happy. You would think it's two actually,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: just real quick, there's two Travesty so far and the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Goat. I think it's been a great thing. You know,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the ratings have been up and down, but I think
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it's what you'd expect. Bachelor fanatics are watching Becca Tilly's
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: lack of appearance and Bob Guinea's lack of appearance are
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: two things I'm not okay with. Oh, it was so
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: weird to see how little they showed have Becca during
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: your season, especially since that was her. Did they not
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: show her very much at all? Huh? I've been, I've been.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I've been doing the what do you call it? The
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: DVR version of of the shows, so I'm usually catching
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it the next night. So but it's been actually really fun.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And I ben I did watch yours as it unfolded,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and of course you know much love I have for you,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: I think, But uh, I thought you did and I
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: and I had noticed that you said you weren't gonna
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: watch it? Was that? Was that true? To do you
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: not watch yours? I had said I wasn't gonna watch it?
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: I folded, man, it was. I shared this story with
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Ashley and it was in my inbox they sent me
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to They send us to screeners a few years in advance,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: and it sat there and I was just staring at me,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and I was staring at me, and so what I did,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: because there's parts of that season that aren't healthy, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: don't think for me to watch like it's just not
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like Okay, I'm engaged, I'm moving on. And you know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the Bachelor word has been great to me. And so
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I watched the first half and then I stopped, uh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and I didn't see the ending. And then I watched
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Jessica's and eyes uh interview because I wanted to see
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: how she came off. Of course, So that was it.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Uh And honestly, it was really enjoyable for me to watch. Yeah,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I can see. That's a nice trip down memory lane
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: without getting too in the weeds on it, you know, so,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: and and I will tell you I didn't know you
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: know when when they originally talked to me about doing
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: an interview with Trista's show, I was very excited because
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I kind of felt like that meant they weren't going
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to show mine, which made me very happy. Season Yeah,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: because I will tell you that I would much rather
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: have them show me show Trista this season for me,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: because I couldn't even stand the idea of having to
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: watch my season with my wife and my son running
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: or not before you take it over here? Uh, do
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: we know yet? Have they announced all the Bachelor Goat seasons? Can?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Or is that a surprise to us? Still? I think
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: it's still a surprise for most people I've known a couple,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, if you look at
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: if you look at when it's preparing to show the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: next episode, you can see the next one after that.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not sure who the next one is,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: though you guys probably know. I don't. But my you know,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: my season wasn't really dramatic. There weren't really any There
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: was no scandal, there was no like crazy dry of moments,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: and you know, I think it got it got a
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: lot more dice sy in later years as far as
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: limit drama comes out of play and things of that nature.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Ours ours was Trista's was obviously the goat of all
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: the goats, because I think it was just the first
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: you know, she was a pioneering woman. So but it
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: makes me laugh, I think. But I know you have
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: one more thing you want to talk to him about
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: about his season. Yeah, you know, Bob, I'm watching this.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I remember even meeting you, and I've said it so
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: many times on the podcast, and I'm just a broken record,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: like you are one of the Bachelor's from my past,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and I have two things I want to talk to
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: about because one is the top headline for us, another
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: juicy topic of the week, and the second is this
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: your advice to me? So you know I love you,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you know I respect you. Um, but you're also known
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: as somebody that was like one of the first bachelor's
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and to really push the limits, right, Like, there wasn't
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of controversy around your season, but there was
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: some like drama, there was some some names that you
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: kind of got defined by my my intrigue have Has
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Has it changed now? Like as you watched the show,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: is it more or less of the dramatic things that
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: happened during your season? Is there more physical you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: into intimacy now? Has it Envelope been pushing in further? Well,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean obviously none of us really know
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: what goes on behind closed doors, so I don't know
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: fully answers to those questions, but you know, I definitely
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: think the show has taken off in a different direction.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot I think there's a lot
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: more um, a lot more drama now in the sense
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: that people have watched it for a long time and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: they have reacted to what I what I would do
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: if I were in that situation and so they actually
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: acted out once they're on the show, you know what
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, the things pop up up and they basically
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: have already lived this in their lives. You know. When
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: we were doing it, no one hadn't really seen it yet,
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a first you know, you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: didn't really know how to react and certain circumstances, whereas
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: now I think people go on and they definitely have
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: an idea of how they want to be perceived and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and so they maybe that affects how they behave I
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's interesting. Well, the final thing is one
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of the hot topics of the week, and I'll just
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: read the headline. This, according to uh US magazine, says
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Becka Koufern and Rachel Lindsay reveal there's a Bachelor Bible
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: passed down from previous leads. Bob, you were a bachelor,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I was a bachelor. I don't know anything about this bible,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and I feel like I got skipped. The headline is
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: juicier than it really is. It um, So there was
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: a bible that Rachel, Caitlin and Jojo made for Becca.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: So it's just the three of them wrote in it
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: as like a guidance for her, and now they're giving
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: it over to Claire. But I think that Becca is
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: going to put a little bit more of her insight
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: in there. Okay, Oh so it sounds like it was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: like National Treasure, like the the secret you know, the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: secret presidential book that gets hidden passed each other. That
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: would have been an amazing thing for them to start
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: like season one. Yes, oh my god, I gotta be
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: honest what you were just telling me about it. I
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: was jealous that I didn't get the right stuff in there,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: but now that I know that it didn't. Actually being
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of the first Bachelor, I did think that this episode
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: was a little bit too dominated by Alex's season and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: notres this season, considering Tristan and Ryan have been married
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: for like fifteen years. Like, let's let's get more from
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: the success story unless from you know, the guy that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: literally won't come on the show. But this is the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: big this is my big question. Or should we be
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: concerned about Alex, Like is he alive? Has he been kidnapped?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: The man? Nobody's from the man and apparently six years
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: according to his x Amanda, she said that she kept
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in touch with him, you know, on and off throughout
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the year, but hasn't heard from him for six years
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: and and Chris Harrison says they can't find him. Is
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: it that we can't find him or is it that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: we like or he don't refuses, Well, I will tell
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you I ran into him on a plane one how
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: many years ago from I was probably well, it was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: definitely more than six years ago. It's probably eight or
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: nine years ago. And uh, maybe ten years ago. And
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: uh and it was interesting, I mean, it was really interesting.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: It was other way flying back to l A from Cabo,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and I was, I guess he was down there with
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: a group of friends for a bachelor party or something
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: like that, and um, he came you know up to
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I was. I fly a ton, so I was lucky
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: enough to get upgraded on this flight. So I was
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: sitting in in front of the plane and I came
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: up to say hello, and it was like I'd never
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: met him before. I mean that I recalled. Maybe I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: had previously, but I didn't remember ever, you know, hanging
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: out with them, were talking about them, and all of
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a sudden, we're talking and I thought he was a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: super nice guy, and um, but it was, you know,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: it was it was definitely a different type of experience
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: than I expected. Uh. Never thought I'd run into him,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you know. Ever, and then on a plane running into him,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting, but he seemed like
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a super nice guy. And then yeah, they you know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: we had talked about trying to um when when they
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: were talking to me about doing some stuff with Trisan
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: season with the Goat episode, UM, they had asked if
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I had any contact with them, and I helped. I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: kind of helped connect the dots with Charlie, which was
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Tris as runner up, which seems so sweet. That was
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: my first time getting to know Charlie and I was like, wow,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I love the way he handled that breakup. He had
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: a great personality. He would have been a great bachelor.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: But you were the Were you the bachelor that became
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: right after it? Or is there somebody us? Yeah, okay,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: well I came right after it, but I came right
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: off of her season. But Andrew Firestone was in between
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the way I aired. That's how I so Eric Aaron
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Bergie season, then trist this season, then Andrew's season, then
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: my season was it because Andrew's season was already in
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: production during t Yeah, I think it must have been
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: That's how I remember it. Anyway. Maybe I'm wrong, but
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: it kind of I remember it kind of working out
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that way. But yeah, Charlie is a great guy. We
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: remained really good buddies over the years, and um, you know,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: but it was interesting because, honestly we I said it
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: on the show even but if you got three three quarters,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: you're technically supposed to be rooting for yourself, You're insane.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, literally, I was like, this guy. She
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: has to choose this guy. He's amazing. You know, there's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: so many things about Ryan that were just fantastic. Did
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: you ever back up for a second? Did you ever
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: end up connecting the show with Alex? Like? Did you
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: guys find him? Now? I didn't have any way. The
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: information and I had was old old news. I didn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: have any way to gain home. But if he listens
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to the almost famous podcast, we would love to have
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you for an in depth episode. If you're listening right now,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: we respect you. He's gonna choose us over Harrison and
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the whole pas, come on join us. Who could blame
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: him that way? He doesn't he get to stay home.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna love it, alright, Well, trust me, Alex,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: they're going easy onion. They're good people. You talk about
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: how wonderful Ryan is. Do you have any fun behind
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: the scenes stories with him? Oh my god? Well, you know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: it was the thing about Ryan Sutter that I absolutely love, uh,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: was that he's like the onion that as you peel
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: an onion, you find out more about you know, you
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: see more of the onion, right, And Ryan was no
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: exception to this. I mean, you know, it was kind
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: of funny. I was when we were on the show
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: and I had played football in college and stuff, and um,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and that scene to come up kind of a lot,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: not from me, but it was like something that would
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: always get mentioned and like, yeah, well, well Ryan and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I are talking one night and uh he played professional
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: for the Baltimore Raven and never told anyone. And I
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: was like, and this is the kind of stuff about
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Ryan Sutter that you find out years of knowing him
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that you're just like, god, wow, how can someone be
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: this great? I mean, you know, um, everything from you know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the there his bachelor batch on Bachelor party together in
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: this Island and all of his buddies are just it's
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: all to the earth great guys, you know, And uh,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and Ryan you know now is recommitting himself to going
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: back to being a firefighter. It's you know, his passion.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: He misses it, he loves it. This is you know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: he is the guy that you want him to be.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: He is the guy you think he is, you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: And it's just he's just awesome. So she is as
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: delightful as she's always come across on TV. She is.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: She's just like, this is easy as to talk to. Lady. Yeah, yeah,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: you guys, I think someone's trying to crash our podcast.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Hold on Canyon. It's my son. We love we love kids.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: This is a kid for podcast. Oh yeah, you love
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: him on the show. Hold on a sec. Let me
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: see so, Hi, Bob Kenyon is coming in right now.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Sitting on Bob's lap, Oh with a sideways hat. This
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: is Grayson and you are adorable. Yeah, you are so cute.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Was my little man. Hi, guys, he's eighteen months. He's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be nineteen months. Oh wait, nineteen months July three.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: You're a good look at kid. Yeah, he takes after
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: his mother. Thank you. Was Grayson settles in here. I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: just want to give a quick background here. Bob Guinea
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: appeared on the season one of the Bachelor. Obviously, as
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: we said with Trista uh sud now uh he was
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: then the Bachelor. A few years later. Uh he did
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: give his uh number one promise ring, but uh that
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: didn't last. Now he is happily married. He got married
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: in November of two thousand and sixteen to Jessica Canyon.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: The couple welcomed a baby boy in December of two
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. And this is Grayson sitting here with us
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: right now live and almost in his podcast. He's he's
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: talking talking to you on the phone right now. Then
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's terrific. Bob. Uh, you are a face of
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the franchise. You stay busy in your life. How much
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: does The Bachelor still affect your I guess your work
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and your daily walk in life. Um, you know it depends.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I mean there are days when you know, I don't
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: feel like it does at all, But my wife will
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: disagree with that, you know. I think I think think
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: it's interesting because the show is definitely very age. I
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: don't know how to say this, but age centric, I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: guess it would say. But like I definitely know when
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: someone notices me or when someone notices me and says
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: that their mom is the biggest fan of their grandma,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: you know, because you remember, I mean that was seventeen
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: years ago when I was on the show. So you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the fact that the fact that it's been such a
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: big part of my life for so long, it's pretty remarkable,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it wasn't until I was you know,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was one of those things where from
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the standpoint I guess of my second career that came along.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It really was a result of The Bachelor and a
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: result of Oprah being a fan of the show when
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I was on it, and you know, she kind of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: gave me an opportunity to work in television for a
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: long time. And I was lucky. You know, it was
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a really lucky break that I would have never guessed
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: would have happened from that whole thing. So it was
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: very exciting and fun, but at the same time, it
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: was it was definitely life changing. You know. I a
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: lot to the and I and I actually oh everything
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: to what I have right now to the show because
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I was actually working for Sirius XM hosting a show
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: when I met my wife, and yeah, she was friends
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: with my co host, and that's how we met in
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the first place. I feel like every bachelor who ends
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: up finding their wife, for bachelord who ends up finding
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: their husband in real life, there's always some sort of
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: tie back, like you wouldn't have been in that position
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: or place if you haven't been on the show, which
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: is really cool. Um can we kissing on the show?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And UM like engagement because it's just become more and
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: more of a thing, like we see on Alex and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Tris's season that like some people went really far and
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: they never kiss them and then the engagement thing like
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: like your season was like a promise ring or like
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Alex decided not to uh put that ring on her finger.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: He was like, I have this, but I gotta get
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to know you better. Why do you think it evolved
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: like that? Is it just because it's better TV when
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the stakes are higher? You know, I don't know, I think, Um,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I think at the beginning, I mean, I can speak
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: for myself. I was skeptical. You know, it was like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: you're this TV show wasn't had been around for a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: very long time. There weren't any success stories yet. You know.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Oddly enough, Trips and Ryan's which I was on that season,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: ended up being a success story that I think people
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: almost used now as a way to justify in their
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: minds that it can happen. But at that time, you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, if it's amazing to think about a time
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: before there was this show on television, but it didn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: exist yet, and there weren't any success stories, and so
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I think you were more worried about maybe it being
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: a big mistake or you know, and it was. It
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: was abbreviated to I mean, you know, don't forget you guys.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: When you guys did the show, you all traveled internationally
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and did all this kind of stuff. I think my
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: most exotic date when I was the Bachelor, we did
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: the final four exotic dates, and one was Snake Snake River, Wyoming,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: one was Alaska, one was um Belize. You know, it
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: was like we weren't going to these you know, tropical
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: or upside, these distant trips to the Netherlands and Italy
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, so we didn't really
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: have as much time to get to know each other
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: as you do now. Now. I will say, you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: I mean I can only speak to myself. I didn't
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: kiss Trista on her season, and I ended up going.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: I went all the way down to the I was
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: cut right before the hometown dates, Like I really thought,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: oh my god, she's coming home to meet my family.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I don't even I've never kissed us. One Alex's season,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: there was a girl I think her name was Shannon.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: They talked about, they showed her a lot, she was
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: top three, and I don't think they kissed because she
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like doing anything physical with him unless she
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: was the only one standing, right. Yeah, that that started
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that movement. Yeah, I mean change it is. I mean
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: we see it every season. It feels like which is
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: why you know, it's such a good move and big
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: move for the Bachelor to have their first black Bachelor
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: after she's way too long. But it is really um
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: interesting how much the Bachelor you know, follows culture but
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: also has like represented it. You know, if if kissing
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: was a big deal to you seventeen years ago, it
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't most of the time feel like a big deal now.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a storyline that we ever really
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: hear anymore. Is oh that we haven't even kissed you.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: It might be other things, it's not kissing anymore. No.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: On my season, the Bachelor actually Kelly, this girl Kelly
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: Joe Koharski who's now um I can't think of her
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: married name now, but she um super sweet girl and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: she she kissed me on the first night and it
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: was a big deal. Like it was like everyone was like,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: oh my god. You know, even I was like, WHOA
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: where did that come from? Because I wasn't expecting and uh,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: and it was interesting, you know, it was like one
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: of those things. She ended up being the runner up
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: on my season, and um, you know, and it was
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: definitely one of those things. And you know, I mean, yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I you alluded to it earlier in the episode, but
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I get it. There's been a lot said
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: about the different elements of my season, but it was
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: one of those things where I feel like it was
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: even though uh, some of that stuff has been bantered about,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: it was never something that was ever like fully discussed
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: as to what goes on in the fantasy suites and
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: things like that, because it's just never been you know.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Now I feel like it's like, yeah, this happened. I mean,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: like watching Caitlin's episode, You're like, oh my god, you know,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I forgot about this. I forgot about that. I mean,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Peter season literally had a windmill as his like intro,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: like based off of the hand you know, Hannah Brown
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Peter uh storyline during her season like it is now
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: right out in front of you all the time. Yeah, yeah,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: it is definitely. It's definitely got to be a lot
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: more applicated to watch that show with your family, I
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: would think at this point, and it was then, Well, Bob,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: obviously we just said it, we said every time you're on.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you, we love you, I respect the hell
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: of you. You've just been awesome to me, and uh,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: you're a great guy, buddy. I'm so proud of you. Man.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Excited for her married Ashley. My gosh, I'm so excited
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: for you guys, you lot. You're very welcome. Thanks. It
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: is uh thirty seven days our first first anniversary the world.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: The only thing I'm said about from this whole interview
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: is that there wasn't a Bachelor Bible that I could
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: have read to see what Bob would have told future
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: bachelor's after his time on the show. Well, hey, Bob,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: we enjoy you. Well, we wish we had to see
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: more of you during this episode, but thanks for coming
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: on almost in this podcast as always, You're the best.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy, I love you, guys. Take care. That
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: was Bob getting everybody. Bob getting is just the best.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: He's He's just continued to be himsel elf, I mean
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: every I think that's one of the things we were
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: talking about and alluding to, is he's always been himself
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: on every season and now he's doing it. You know.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Still he's on the Today Show often. I got to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: be a part of that a few times with him. Uh,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: he's on the Today Show and they love him there.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: He obviously had a relationship with Oprah and then was
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: not like a romantic relai, but he had a friendship
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: with Oprah and then was a host on Serious you
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: know XM for a while. Uh, and we just always
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: appreciate him coming on. He was like a bachelor celebrity.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: I think it was Trista was the celebrity for the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: girls in the two thousand's, and he was the celebrity
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: for the guys. I still remember Bob guinny uh during
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: his time as the Bachelor. Well, hey, Ash, let's take
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: a break here, and when we come back, we're gonna
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: interview another person from Trista season. Uh. We'll keep it
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: a surprise for now, but uh, stay tuned. We're back
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: with almost name his podcast. Well, we we promised you
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: a mry guest and this guest has definitely um used
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: this platform that The Bachelor gives everybody for good and
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: uh and it's maybe somebody you've heard of, maybe somebody
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: you haven't, but you need to hear from now. It's
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: Jamie blythe Jamie. Welcome to the podcast. Hey, thanks a lot, guys,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. We appreciate
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: you coming on. So you were on TRIST this season.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: You are the professional basketball player. You were, well professional
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: is uh it's kind of like that semi pro Will
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Ferrell movie. I would say it was about as low
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: level professionals you could possibly am. Well, you're you're playing,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you're playing in Europe, right, and then you decided not
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: to take that contract. Yeah, I had a nine month
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: contract in Germany and then yeah, ultimately ended up going
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: on the Best at which I don't know if that
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was a good decision or bad, but we decided the
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Bachelorette over basketball in Europe. Yeah, you know, it was
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: tough because all my buddies were sort of telling me
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: to go on the show. Obviously it didn't exist. It
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: was the first one, first one. I've never seen the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: show and reality TV at that time. It was almost
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: twenty years ago, so obviously it was in its infancy.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: And I was in a camp in Germany, made a
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: team and then trained for that, and I told the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Bachelor that I auditioned for the Bachelor. Actually I was
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: like the final five for the first or second Bachelor. Um,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: and then producers calling me. I kept telling me, I
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: don't think I really want to do it, and then
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: they called for the Bachelorette, and I think I told
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: no again. Actually the ultimately did it and it turned
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: out to be great, but it was it was a
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: tough called. Just because I trained for obviously played bat
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: I'm super intrigued here. So going back to when they
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: were talking about being a Bachelor, and then even on
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, you didn't know what this show even was.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: It's like, what, how do were you processing what you're
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: about to sign up for? So it was funny, I, uh,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: how did this work? I met I think it was
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Lisa Levinson. I don't know if she was on the show.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: When you guys were and she's still there, and she
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: was one of the she was like an original executive producer.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: And I spoke to her for a while and she
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, he'd be really good for the
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: show of the Bachelor. They had already done all their auditions,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: so they sort of leapfrogged me to the top five,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: which they must have been smoking crack just to even
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: consider me for that, because it was not a good
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: show for me. But and then, you know, it just
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: sort of she kind of sold me on it. And
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was strange because I didn't know about
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the show. I had never seen it. I didn't know
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: about reality TV. A matter of fact, was the first
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: guy out of the limo and we're driving and and
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the first once, so I don't know
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: what the hell I'm doing, right, and I'm figuring they're
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: gonna give me some sort of instruction. It's me and
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: like six dudes in the limo and the producer just
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: knocks on it and he goes, all right, it's game time.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: You're you know, you're ready, Jamie, You're up. And I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: didn't even know I was the first cup. I had
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: no clue. They just told me so I go, what
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: the hell am I supposed to do? You know? And uh,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: he goes, dude, just there's a girl. Just go say
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: hid or do whatever you would do to talk to
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: a girl. So I got out of the car and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: there's like thirty people. You know, it's a TV set,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: there's lights. I really didn't know exactly what Trista looked
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: like at the time. I had an idea, but there
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: were a couple of blonds in the crowd. There were
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: a couple of attractive girls as well, so I was
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: literally looked like, you know, to use Will Ferrell again,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: just staring around like a deer and headlights and they
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: had to do two takes of it was the first
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: thing out of the limo, and they did two takes
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: because that's not that much different today. I mean, actually,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like day, it really operates about the same way. Hey
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you're up, go right exactly. And it was pretty cool.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I mean I went and said high and kept it
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: pretty simple and um, but it was funny when I
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: was I was sitting in the mansion and for what
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and I'm like, what the hell am I
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: doing here? You're picturing At least I was that these
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: guys are gonna be a bunch of tools. That's kind
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: of what I thought. Um, and then I was in
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: the mansion just reading my decision. I was like, what
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: am I doing here? How do I escape? And uh,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: at that time, I don't know if there was really
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of alcohol. Bob Guineas sort of started that
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: whole thing story. Oh he was. Yeah, so me and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: him were like best buddies on the show, and yeah,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of stories about Bob um, but yeah,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it was funny. So this other guy walks in and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: he was like a firefighter and was instantly just kind
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: of douche and was trying. Oh Grady was whatever, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I was all my fears were right in front of me, like,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: oh no, this is gonna be was not Ryan. I'm
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: assuming different firefight. I love running right right was off.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: So it was a different guy. And uh so then
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Bob walks in and instantly, you know, he was hammered
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: and he was having a blast. And then he just
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: starts screw ruined with this guy. And the guy was
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: real competitive and Bob and you know, Bob and I
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: were not competitive at all, and he goes, Bob was,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: what do you do, and the guy said, I'm a
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: martial artist. Bob was I could tell he was BS
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: and the guy and the guy just didn't know it,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and he goes, I'm also a martial artist. Bob said
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: it again. So he gets competitive and he goes, what's
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: your discipline and Bob goes Tibo and the guy goes,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that's not a discipline, and he goes, you tell that
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: to Billy Blanks. Pitchell convinced the guy who is to
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: go in the middle of like all the guys, and
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: he pushed him in and and he goes, show trust
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: to your karate moves. So the first thing he did
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: was short karate moves and then he got like launched.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: First he was first get kicked off the show, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: he was like you yeah, it was it was three um,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: but you're yeah. Bob and I got eliminated the same night.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: We started in a nice hotel, as you know, and
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they send you this crampy
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: hotel when you get kicked off. So Bob and I
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: went out, you know, you know, weeks were there. You
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: and Bob a limited week three and then he went
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: on to become the Bachelor. Yeah, I mean, So there's
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: a backstory to this that I don't even know if
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I can tell. Whenever somebody says something like that, we
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: need you to tell, you know. Here's so they were
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: calling my house, they were calling Bob's house to do
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: the final four Lisa Levinson what she came out crying
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: with Bob and I got cut and uh, there's a
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: lot that happened. My god, I haven't thought about it.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: It's twenty years ago, so I really haven't thought about
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: this much. But there's some things I won't share. But
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: one night, Trista came home from a romantic date with
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: with Ryan, and we all knew Ryan was super into
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: it and those two were most likely gonna, you know,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: be together. So Bob and I knew we were out right,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: we're already done. We're just kind of having fun. And
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: so we went on the roof for the mansion to
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: get away because we knew there weren't cameras and microphones
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: up there. We had figured out there microphones because every
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: time we said something interesting, and then we just once
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: they showed up, we started talk talking about like something mundane,
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: you know, peanut butter or whatever, just something stupid, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: then they go, But so we went on the roof.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: We figured out to get getting the roof of the
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: mansion and we brought like a case of beer up there.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: It's like three am, and uh, I think he lit
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: a fire up there too. We brought like a little
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: portable grill and hit a chef's head and started a
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: big greefe fire. She comes home like fire at three
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: am and she goes and there are no cameras, like
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: nobody saw this. And this was like week three, right
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: the day before we both got launched and we're bombed,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you know, and she goes, don't you to think you
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: should be thinking about me? And we both had beers
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: and we spit our beer from the top of the
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: mansion down pretty much after on accident, just because we
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: thought it was funny. We were so drunk, and you know,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of things that happened, like we
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: went don't kart racing and I think the that was
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: like three hours after this, uh you know, rooftop event,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: and we're hammeling, we can't even walk a little and
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: trive a hundred a go kart. So these things were
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: really faster what race cars trained with. And we're walking
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: around this track and this guy's telling us about like
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: apexes and ferns and all this stuff and literally walked
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: us for like an hour and we can really see strain,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: let alone cravate car and right at the end of it,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Bob goes, what's a what's an apex? And then we
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we're crashing these things and Trista it was, Yeah,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: it was. The whole thing was was she wasn't going
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: to pick us. There was a lot of reasons, a
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: lot of stories I could actually tell, but there I'm
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: not going to share these at these points, but there
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of reasons she wasn't gonna pick us.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: And then he was on you know, I went on
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Oprah right after that he was the Bachelor. You made
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: enough of a splash to talk to Diane Sawyer and
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Oprah about your anxiety disorder. Um so, can you talk
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: about how anxiety he affected you being on the show,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: because I know it's such an issue today. UM's it's
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: just such an anxiety inducing place that it's hard with
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: people like you who have suffered with panic and social anxiety. Right. Yeah,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I think I think that show is the worst possible
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: place for somebody that has social anxiety and panic disorder
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to be on I had done. You know, I won't
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: go through the whole story again, but to make it
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: pretty concise, my first panic attack was when I was
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: nineteen m I I never had anxiety prior to that. UM.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I guess that normal anxiety. Everybody has anxiety, But I
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: never had a football and panic attack. UM. But when
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I did, I had it talking to a person, right,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: and then it just kept happening. So my fear became
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: being around people. I ended up, you know, being one
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: of the top guys in the country at the sales
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: job I had. I went into sales on purpose to
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: confront it. UM. So it was a long clime. You know.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: It took four or five years, you know, six seven
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: years actually to where I could possibly go and do
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: somethingthing like the Bachelor. Um. In the back of my head, anyw,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I probably couldn't do it. It was probably too much,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: but it was something I want to challenge myself with.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And but yeah, it evokes and brings out every possible
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: symptom like being the center of attention, uh, you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: being humiliated, potentially having a place where you really can't escape.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And if I did have a panic attack. They were
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: going to exploit it. It wasn't I knew that, so
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I knew I wouldn't go Bill escape, and if I did,
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: there was a realistic chance that I could break down
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: crying because you just sort of lose all sense of control,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I guess, And it was Yeah, honestly, I got really
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: lucky that I never had a hometown date with her,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: which they were going to plan. If not for Bob's
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: rooftop fire and you know incident at three am, I
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: probably would have had a hometown date. And I don't
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: know if I would have made it through that to
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: monster did so, and Bob kind of saved me because
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: we became such good friends and and he was great.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: He just lightens you know, you guys talked to him,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: He kind of lightens everything up, and we kind of
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: played off each other and he would make me laugh
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: and make him laugh, and he made a little more comfortable.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: But once it got to like when it was just
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: me and Trista and it was a date, you know,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I'd be nervous on the first day with anyone, let
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: alone a national television so um, it was a nerve wrapping.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, by the end of it. I was, I was.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I wanted to get the hell out of there. I mean,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I was, I was done. It's interesting, Jamie. I'm I'm
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: just catching up here. And you know, for for the
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: anxiety that you had, you did overcome a lot of it,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: or you kind of I don't maybe you could explain
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: it better, but pushed through it. I mean, your book
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: that you came out with, UH, fear is no longer
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: my reality. You did talk to Diane s or So,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: you did talk to Oprah, and you also um had
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Phil Jackson UH read it and give you um his feedback.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: That hasn't put on the back of the book. It
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: says Jamie bliss determination to a become his disability is
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: a great achievement. That from Phil Jackson, Yes, a nine
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: time NBA championship coach. Darren, I mean, do you credit
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: the show for the confidence? It feels like that you
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: were able to push through with these projects, you know,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: that was the Phil Jackson thing. Was interesting because I
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: became friends with Jennie Buss, who owns the Lakers. Um.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: I just saw her just prior to COVID and I
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: was at a thing in Vegas, and I'll answer your
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: question too, But I was. I met them an event
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: because of The Bachelor in Vegas and she came up
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: to me. I didn't know who she was at the time,
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: by name or face, I guess, and she's amazing, super
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: one of the nicest people I've ever met. And she goes, um,
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of yours, and I was, and I
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: want to introduce my boyfriend. And I was kind of like,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: all right, you're a fan of mine, White, why the
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: hell do I want to meet your boyfriend? And uh,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: so I turned around. It's Phil Jackson and obviously like
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: six ten six eleven. So then they ended up taking
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: me out for dinner, uh multiple times. I got a
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: lot of Lakers games with them, stuff like that. And
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: he was an interesting guy and apparently he had I
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: don't think he had given many, if any book endorsements
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: at that time, so that meant more than anything to me.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: But um, going back to your your I guess your point. Yeah,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: the show. I had pushed myself to a level where
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: I could go on the show. I didn't necessarily necessarily
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: know how it would turn out, whether it's gonna be
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: good or bad, but I was willing to face it.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: Like a year prior, maybe spew years prior. There's no
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: way in hell I could have gone on that show.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: There's just no way. But after that, as you guys know, um,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: all the attention you get taught I was constantly talking
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to people and I didn't know that was going to happen.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: But this was one of the first reality shows really
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: and um, I really didn't expect it. But and then,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: as you guys know, everywhere where you went, especially for
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: like that year or two, it was insane. I mean
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I couldn't eat dinner, I couldn't go out without talking
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to people. And and then obviously all the media going
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: on those show like Diane saur was my first interview
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I ever did. I think it was at seven am,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: so you know it was early and not ready to roll.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have done an interviews like that
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: where you're just kind of waking up and bam, you
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: gotta go and now it Stanyan Switter So and interestingly
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: with that, she gave my commencement speech at the University
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: of Illinois when I was I graduated. But I was
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: like at a low point, right because I'm twenty one
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: and my biggest fears now people, So how the hell
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: am I gonna manage my way through life, through the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: world and I'm scared of people? Um, and that's and
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: then you know, fast forward to go full circle five
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: years later and she's given the commencement speech. And that's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: why she brought it up off camera. I told her
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: how much it meant to be speaking with her because
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: of what I went through. And now I'm sitting here
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: talking to her in person, uh, and feeling scared, but um, equipped,
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I guess to manage it. And then she obviously ran
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: it from there and was more interested than the in
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: the anxiety than the show. She really didn't talk about
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: the show much. Well, the book that you were I
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: think on these shows promote was fear is no longer
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: my reality? Um, what are you doing today as far
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: as as getting this message out there? Because I know
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: that you do some public speaking. You're a reporter, so
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: I do. I'm a reporter and a host for you know,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Extra like Mario Lopez and all that. So when celebrities
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: come through Chicago, I still do that, and I do
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: some TV commercials in Chicago here. But um, I'm gonna
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: have a job like anybody else. Where I run sales
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: for a big construction company in Chicago. But um, right
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: before I was working on a documentary. I think I
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: mentioned that with a couple of guys that are pretty
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: big producers that were interested. I was gonna essentially interview
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: anybody any walks, any walk of life, whether somebody in
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the military that suffered PTSD. It can be a brain
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: surgeon that has to operate on a child. Uh, Mike
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: Typson getting in the ring, what is that feeling before
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: a championship fight? So it didn't have to necessarily be
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: somebody that suffers from anxiety. Can be the actually opposite
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: because I learned more from people that don't have any anxiety.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I mean I knew all about the books and everybody
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: that could how any doctor could say, hey, this is
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: what the symptoms are and there's how you overcome it.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: But I needed to learn the opposite and a lot
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: of it was a mindset and there's a lot of
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: techniques to it too. But um, so that was that documentary.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: I am currently working on the COVID kind of put
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: a hold on it. Well, Jamie to close it up here, Uh,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: we really do appreciate you coming on. We have a
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, anxiety is something that we
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: bring up often on this podcast. As you mentioned, the
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: show kind of heightens it and if you already have,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: you know, an underlying disorder, it definitely makes it more
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: polarizing on the show. There's anybody out there listening who
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: has struggled with anxiety or still does. Do you have
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: a message that you like to share with people? Um
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: before we let you go? Yeah? Absolutely? Uh number one
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: because this this gets into especially given the times right
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: now with COVID, with everything going on. Uh. Mike Tyson
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: actually said it best when I interviewed him, and that
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: will be released at some point when I put it
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: all together. But I asked him if he's ever been
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: suicidal and he said, yeah, many times, and he's doing
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: great right now, right but he went through the Ringer
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: and you know, he was a drug addict, he you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: name it him and he would tell you about it.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: And he's doing he's doing really well. So I said, well,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: what would you tell somebody if they're depressed and suicidal
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: and they don't think they can go on? And he
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: would say, look, you have to realize that these are
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: moments in time. They're moments in time, their seasons and
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: these things they changed. So your current reality, I think
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Tony Robbins says this type of thing but doesn't have
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: to equal your future. So where you are right now
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: might feel absolutely awful, like there is no future. Um,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: but you know, everything I had and all the success anything,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: if you want to call it success, but is because
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: of the anxiety, not just you know, it's because of
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the anxiety. And it's a you know, it's a mechanism
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: to help make you grow if you choose to. Uh,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I guess to fight it is the right word because
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: it is a fight, but you can come out the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: other side. You can come out actually stronger than you
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: were before. At a minimum, I think you can manage
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: it and and have a have a happy life. Thought. Um,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor, of course, is all about love and relationships,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: and that's where we know you the most from. So
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: you gotta gotta update us in your personal life now.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Um So I'm kind of I'm all settled down. I've
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: got a got a six year old kid, and um,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I was living living in the city and and now
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: I just moved to the bourbs, So I'm kind of
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: living that boring, boring, committed life right now. But it's
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: it's great. I I it's a that's a this is goofy,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: it's a I'm technically not married. It's a long there's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: a long, complicated story in there, but we're essentially, uh,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: we're together, all right. Well, thank you so much for
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: coming on. Appreciate man. Thank you once again. That was
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: Jamie Blythe from tristas season of The Bachelor. Some great stories,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes stories from trist this season, and of
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: course Bob Guinney was a part of those who we
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: also had in the podcast today. Um, Jimmy Bli's book
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: If You're Wondering is once again called Fear is No
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: Longer My Reality. It is available right now. Well, Ash,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I think those two offered us a good behind the
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: scenes take on this. Also shared some some things that
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: you know what are still common today in this show,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: like the limo entrances and those moments that you try
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: to sneak out and sneak away to get away from
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: those cameras. It's just interesting how much times have changed,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: especially as you said earlier, with the fashion that is
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: the box suits. Oh you know what else, I meant
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: to ask these guys um about the difference in the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: house because the Bachelor Mansion wasn't the Bachelor Mansion until
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: I think it was maybe broad season. But like they
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: use different houses the episodes that we saw last night.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: You know, he had a house, she had a house,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: and I think the house kept changing. Interesting. Yeah, it's
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: so much of a part of our past. Well, hey,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: that's been another season of another episode of The Bachelor
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and Bachelor Goat. Of course these two will be up
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: there with the best of them ever. Uh And this
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: has been another episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. And
• 1:03:29
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• 1:03:34
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• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: mean that would be a somebody cost to know him, right.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: I doubt he'd ever give us an interview, but that
• 1:03:44
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• 1:03:47
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• 1:03:50
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• 1:03:54
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• 1:04:01
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