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Games and Ghosts? Dungeons & Dragons; haunted Jenga; and more! Bringing FUN back to ghost hunting · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  On this episode of Paranormal Lens, I have man
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  eyes? Yes. Not mayonnaise. You do have man eyes.
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  Man eyes. Man eyes. Ben doesn't know how to search
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  for comments using girl eyes. So this episode
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  is inspired by a comment we got on a post that
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  went semi -viral and there's like 290 something
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  comments. And I tried finding the comment again
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  because I screenshotted it, but then accidentally
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  deleted it after sending it to the two of them.
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  And neither of them saved it to their phones.
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  So I had to find it again. I was like, that'll
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  be easy. I already found it once. Couldn't find
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  the comment. I thought it got deleted. I was
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  like, we don't have an episode. If I can't find
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  this comment, I was stressing out. And then they
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  tell me. you just need girl eyes. We found them
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  in five seconds. We did. We really did. If I
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  know correctly, I think it's like this third
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  comment down. It's literally the third comment.
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  Third comment down. It's the third comment down.
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  So it's the first comment, the second comment,
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  and then click the comment to the comment, and
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  then there it is. So everyone's joining this
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  in the middle of the chaos. you know this is
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  like whoa a lot we're just bombarding on you
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  right at the top but this has seriously been
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  an hour -long endeavor to try to find this comment
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  and i was just like we have to start recording
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  now they're saying i have man eyes this is like
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  revelation yeah yeah you have man eyes ben Yeah,
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  because it took you days and you couldn't find
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  it. And then we hop on saying, I guess, but we
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  can find it in like five seconds. Well, Brianna
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  said that. And what did we do? And we actually
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  found it within a minute. Literally days and
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  then, you know, an hour just wasting your time.
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  Man, what would we do without you? 289 comments.
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  I don't know. Probably still be looking for that
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  comment, eh? Most likely, honestly. Fucking man
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  eyes. You know what I mean by man eyes, right?
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  No. Oh, yeah. Of course you don't understand.
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  That's why I was like, we got to record. I don't
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  know what this means. I mean man eyes because,
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  you know, the stereotype of men will look for
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  something for hours and hours and hours and not
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  be able to find it. They ask their mom, their
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  wife, their girlfriend, whatever. I can't find
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  this. Can you help? find it in two seconds and
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  it's literally in the same spot they had been
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  looking. Literally! That happens all the time!
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  You have man eyes, Ben! No! What happens is Angela,
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  who lives with me, she will take something, move
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  it, and then move it back to mess with me because
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  she knows I'm looking for it. And she's like,
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  oh, fuck! That happens all the time. I put everything
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  back to where they are. We're very disorganized.
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  We don't put things away right away. But when
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  we do... We put them back. We put them back where
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  they belong. Where they came from. Ben just doesn't
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  know where anything is since we moved into this
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  apartment a year ago. Because you won't let me
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  decorate. What the fuck do you mean? Do you see
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  this apartment? You said that doesn't go there.
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  That goes over here. Not in my apartment. That's
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  not decorating. That's organizing. There's a
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  big difference between organizing and decorating.
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  Hang on. Before we go on this tangent, we didn't
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  even actually discuss what the topic is that
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  we're talking about. We just said, oh, we were
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  trying to find the comment for this whole episode.
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  We didn't even talk about what we're... Do you
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  remember on one of the very first podcasts, we
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  played a game of rock, paper, scissors three
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  times for an audio podcast before we even introduced
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  the topic? So this is still an improvement. That's
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  so true. Also, we played rock, paper, scissors
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  three -way, which does not work. And it took
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  us how many times before we realized that? So
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  we got a comment. uh where is it oh my god i'm
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  dead serious okay i found it and i sent it to
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  you over text i was still looking on the post
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  i was looking on the post my god i forgot um
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  so we got we made a post a bit ago on uh the
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  socials about like these haunted tunnels we investigated
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  um a few years ago in ipsilanti michigan and
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  we got a comment um Yeah, it kind of resonated
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  with me. Probably because Angela is showing me
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  the show. It's kind of like an indie show. Not
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  a lot of people have seen it, I don't think.
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  It has like a cult following. It's called Stranger
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  Things. But she's showing, apparently there's
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  a few seasons. And then they, apparently there's
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  like a secret ninth episode of the final season
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  coming out soon. But. She's showing me that show
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  to gear up for this amazing finale she said that
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  they had. I didn't even finish it. It sucked
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  so bad. I'm kidding. It's a joke. I don't care
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  if people judge me for saying it. Season 5 of
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  Stranger Things fucking sucks. First three seasons
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  were good. Anyone who thinks it is good has something
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  seriously wrong in their brain. I mean, season
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  4 is when they turn into like... Marvel, like
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  Avengers. I'm like, what's happening? What happened
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  to the show? Yeah, they're trying to be too hard
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  with trying to make it a superhero thing. Bring
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  it back to season one and two type of vibes.
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  Bree, have you seen this show? Yeah, I haven't
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  seen the newest season, but it sounds like I
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  probably shouldn't. This makes me sad. The show
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  has a lot to do with Dungeons and Dragons, which
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  of the three of us, Bree is about to be real
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  modest and say, she doesn't really play. She's
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  not an expert. She doesn't really know too much
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  about it, but she is part of a, what do they
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  call it? When you play, it's not like a series
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  of games. It's like you're part of a thing, right?
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  I thought you were going to call her a nerd.
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  Well, she is a nerd. She's on a Dungeons and
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  Dragons league. That's still better than all
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  the rest of us. It's called a campaign. A campaign,
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  that's the word. So you started a new campaign
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  recently. Yes. Wait, before you start, Brianna,
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  I didn't mean that in a bad way. I meant it in
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  a nice way. I think nerds are like... I'm so
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  offended you called me a nerd. I think nerds
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  are the most amazing people in the world. I'm
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  jealous. would be in this situation if i wasn't
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  a nerd you're a filming nerd ben well we're all
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  our own nerds i nerd out on cameras but there
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  are some people monsters i'm just saying that
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  people who have like no interest and aren't nerdy
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  about a certain topic and like not nerdy about
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  anything those are like the boring people sorry
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  but no i am not an expert on dnd No, no. At all.
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  No. I only know through, like, this Stranger
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  Things show, and then also we all have our personal
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  weird connection. We started paranormal investigating
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  at Michigan State University, which was at, like,
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  the core of the satanic panic that rippled throughout
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  the United States, throughout the 80s, and D
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  &D. was blamed for a lot of uh you know kids
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  going down bad paths and if you play dnd you're
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  summoning satan that game is demonic yeah and
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  that's what i love to think about is that if
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  we were alive in the 80s we'd be um viewed as
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  satanists right now we still are by some people
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  that's true but i mean like from the majority
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  of the population know how many people on tiktok
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  say like comments saying we're going to hell
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  and stuff oh yeah oh 100 my laptop is about to
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  die so i shall disappear for one second okay
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  um no one of the biggest things was when we were
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  at msu was the steam tunnels um were heavily
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  like locked up and people weren't allowed down
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  in them because some kids back in the day were
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  playing like dnd like in doing actual like role
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  play dnd and not like sitting at a table dnd
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  and died in the steam tunnels um well not even
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  that's part of the rumor mill that that's part
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  of the rumor mill yeah there's all these crazy
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  legends what really happened was like one of
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  the dnd like game masters um He like was down
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  in the tunnels and he kind of got lost and it
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  turned out to be like a failed suicide attempt.
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  And he ended up actually, you know, committing
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  suicide a year later or so. But then the news
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  caught on and then the tunnels are very dangerous.
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  So people just go down the tunnels thinking there's
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  all these monsters down there. And then all these
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  crazy legends, paranormal stories, because what
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  they were doing was. summoning satan and all
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  this crazy all it gets really messy and really
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  weird and we're giving like a five second overview
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  of like a story with a shit ton of nuance but
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  still the point is that that incident in the
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  steam tunnels at msu had a ripple effect nationwide
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  and kind of in some parts launched if not the
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  satanic panic as we know it now which was just
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  all the fear -mongering and blaming everything,
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  essentially scapegoating things like D &D as
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  being gateways to satanic worship. Yeah. Hell
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  yeah. And we used to run at MSU, which is kind
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  of where we're going. We used to run haunted
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  tours, and they were very receptive of this.
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  It brought a lot of people to campus. The only
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  rule was we couldn't mention the steam tunnels.
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  Yeah. You couldn't even mention them. You're
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  still very weird about it. Very touchy about
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  it. Yeah. Very interesting. So how does it feel
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  for you, Bree, playing the game now? Like, you
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  know the history. You are in this space as a
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  paranormal investigator. Do you feel like...
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  Is it anywhere close to being satanic? No. How
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  does it feel known to history, though? I don't
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  understand how it got, like, how people associated
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  Satanism with D &D. Like, at all. Like, it's
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  mind -boggling because it's like... they're not
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  there's like yeah you can have like creepy monsters
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  and stuff and like magic and like i don't know
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  on occasion necromancy but i don't even think
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  necromancy became part of dnd until like the
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  early 2000s that doesn't matter but like i have
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  it they're so far apart i don't understand where
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  the line crossed that Satanic panic was like
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  made D &D seem like the worst thing ever. Well,
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  I also think that it's a misunderstanding. And
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  I don't know what it was like in the 80s because
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  obviously we weren't alive. But like nowadays,
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  Satanists, they don't... they don't even really
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  worship the devil. They don't worship Satan.
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  They're all about worshiping themselves and being
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  a good person and doing good for others and helping
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  others. They're not, they don't even really,
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  that's what they believe in. You know, I don't
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  even believe in God. Well, I think I'm, I'm,
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  yeah, I can't say this. It's all necessarily
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  true for all Satanist. And. But there's another
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  word for people who actually do worship the actual
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  devil, like the devil on Satan himself. That's
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  a whole different word. I don't know what it
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  is off the top of my head. Yeah, it's different.
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  That's a big misunderstanding that a lot of people
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  don't understand. And it's just like... I think
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  the whole thing comes from misunderstanding.
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  Oh, 100%. Because even, I mean, nowadays... you
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  can go to like any library or uh pardon the term
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  nerd stores you know that have magic the gallery
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  and dnd gaming stores yeah yeah yeah um every
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  night you know they're advertised but like in
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  the 80s like you didn't you couldn't just walk
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  in a store and like dnd was like plastered so
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  you went to places like tunnels or like away
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  from people and then anytime something happened
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  that was a little off or bad you know because
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  accidents happen it's like all those weird kids
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  doing something secretive acting out these creatures
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  yeah chasing things in the tunnels that aren't
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  really there that's not what dnd is but from
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  an outsider add in the tunnel element you can
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  kind of see where a lot of misunderstandings
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  can, you know, spiral and domino effect. Yeah.
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  What I think is that there are, there's always
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  like extremists with anything, you know? And
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  when I think of the satanic panic, I think it's
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  of mostly Christians who were freaking out mostly
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  about it. I don't know. No, really? Well, I don't
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  know. The other religions, did they freak out
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  and think that D &D was bad and evil too? It's
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  inherently religious because it's freaking out
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  about the devil. Yeah. I mean, it's the age of
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  also at the same time, stranger danger. That
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  was a thing that was rising at the same time,
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  the whole stranger danger stuff. So it's like
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  people... needed something to scapegoat you know
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  what i'm saying is that there's extremists to
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  everyone and that there's some people who believe
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  like i'm not gonna say any names but i knew someone
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  who used to be my violin teacher and i know she's
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  still like this to this day love her bless her
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  heart but and i remember but i remember one day
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  she was like so what do you do in school and
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  i was like oh we took a school field trip to
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  the uh to the movies and everyone got to see
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  the eyes and great and powerful and she was like
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  oh no no i don't i don't do that i wouldn't allow
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  my kids to see that that's evil that includes
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  wizards and magic that's not christian like or
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  something along that line and it's just like
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  okay yeah i don't know like that seems very dramatic
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  personally like i think there were even new people
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  who were like like that with like harry potter
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  yeah yeah like wouldn't even let their kids read
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  the books or watch the movies and yeah and but
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  it's just like it's because of i don't know misunderstanding
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  and misrepresentation like they saw one bad thing
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  Like specifically with D &D, they saw like one
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  bad thing or one bad thing happen. And, oh, there's
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  magic. And, oh, there's wizards. And, oh, there
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  can be demons or whatever. And it's like, oh,
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  this is Satanism. It's encouraging my children
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  to use magic. uh wicked ways it's like no yeah
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  so like what what i'm wondering is then during
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  the like the 80s or the satanic panic it's like
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  were people just like all were every like a lot
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  of people just dramatic that way it was did everyone
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  have that mindset did everyone believe that way
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  or like was there something more to it you know
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  what i mean I mean, even just like the other
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  day, kind of taking a step away from the satanic
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  panic and more towards the D &D and not understanding
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  it. Our session last week was five, almost six
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  hours long. It's like half a game of Monopoly.
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  That's a Monopoly game. The next day, my mom
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  was like, I just don't understand how you guys
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  can play something like that so long. I just
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  don't understand the game. And it's like, well,
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  she's like, is there a goal? Is there something
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  that's set for you guys to do? It's like, no.
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  It's a game that you're put into. You create
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  your character. You create a backstory for it.
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  And you're put into a scenario. It's anyone's
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  game from there. You can take it in any direction
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  you want. It's 100 % roleplay -based. Your DM
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  could have a goal for you guys, but that doesn't
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  mean that you make that your goal. You can completely
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  sidetrack and go a different way, and the DM
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  will adapt and create a different storyline to
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  go off of. And she's like, oh. And I'm like,
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  think about it as like... uh think of it as improv
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  yeah with a game i yeah i think i understand
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  so you to summarize you just said that in dungeons
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  and dragons you can have a storyline that's going
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  one way and it can be going that way the whole
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  time then all of a sudden you can just change
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  it on a whim Yeah. Like Stranger Things. That's
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  what happened to season five. Everyone's trying
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  to blame the writers that they lost the plot.
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  And the show has no resemblance to the original
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  season. But maybe it's one big game of Dungeons
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  and Dragons. And maybe the Game Masters can do
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  whatever the hell they want. Well, it's not even
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  the... I came up with it. It's not even the DM
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  saying that they're changing the game. It's usually
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  the players who change the game. They take it
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  in a different direction than the DM anticipated.
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  I see, I see. It's been going on a decade. The
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  actors are 10 years older. Maybe they didn't
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  want to play the same characters. It's so fair.
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  Imagine a 10 -year game of Dungeons & Dragons.
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  Yeah. Is it possible? Is there ever an ending?
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  Usually, like, the DMs will have a goal at some
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  point, like, for you to complete and finish the
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  game. But, like, campaigns can go on for years.
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  Like, there's never, there doesn't always have
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  to be a set goal. And like I said, like, players
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  and the DM can keep shifting that end post. Like,
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  it's... It can change constantly. Man, this sounds
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  fun. And I kind of want to try. Brianna, can
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  we start a campaign with you next time you're
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  here? Can we play D &D with you? Can you show
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  us the ropes, the intros to it? It's not that
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  simple. Come on. Maybe. Maybe one day. One day.
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  She doesn't want you in her secret club. I want
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  to start now. It's not my game. That's fair.
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  I am the new person in this group. Do they listen
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  to the podcast? No. Maybe that's a good thing.
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  Does any of the scenarios that might happen talk
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  about paranormal lens? No. Can you make a scenario
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  all about paranormal ends in D &D? I mean, you
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  could. The thing with D &D, too, is it doesn't
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  have to be medieval. It can take place modern.
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  It can take place in the future. It's not always
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  medieval renaissance -based. gameplay. It could
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  be. You could make a paranormal lens campaign.
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  Just in cheese layers? With cheese layers and
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  groundhogs. Oops. I stopped it, guys. What? Sorry.
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  I stopped the recording by accident. I was trying
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  to find a fucking comment. We still haven't even
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  said what this comment was. I was trying to pull
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  it up, but I stopped the whole recording. Oh
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  my gosh. Okay. Maybe that was a sign from the
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  heavens. So now that we established that for
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  anyone that forgot from 20 fucking minutes ago,
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  we made a post on Facebook about tunnels. And
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  then, you know, we set up some of our own histories
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  with D &D. And then... We got a comment that
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  says, quote, Now, I want to go play D &D down
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  there in the tunnels. The joy of fantasy probably
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  helps any spirits wandering. And I thought that
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  was an interesting sentiment I never thought
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  of before. It sounds very heartwarming, honestly.
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  Like, I got really happy thinking about them
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  saying that. Go ahead, go ahead. i was gonna
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  say just think about like you know all the old
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  castles or like ruins and stuff and like people
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  dressing up and like taking pictures there it's
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  like oh i bet i wonder if there's any ghosts
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  there if they're like oh that's that's so cute
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  or that's so pretty or things i mean there are
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  It's true that a lot of these, I never thought
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  of it before, but all the spots back in the day
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  that people would play D &D, like the off -the
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  -beaten -path hangout spots of the day, even
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  if they weren't playing D &D. How many times
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  do we investigate somewhere and be like, I used
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  to party back there. I used to go drinking out
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  there. These spots that people gravitated to
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  to party, to get away from society, to play D
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  &D, those are now the haunted spots of our generation.
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  So true. Not always, but... Not always, but it
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  tends to be a trend. Do you think, too, it's
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  like just the act of playing games and the act
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  of... Because how many times do we investigate
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  and things happen when we're not even talking
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  to them? It's just when we're making jokes, we're
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  having fun. Do you know what? I'm... but this
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  reminds me of ben during your 25th birthday at
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  simpson hospital remember when we were playing
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  jenga and we were having like a good old jolly
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  time and we just had the cap all set up around
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  us and with the lights off like surrounding us
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  so we can see if they went off and every single
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  time one of us was freaking out or the tiler
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  tipped out tipped over it was about to tip over
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  the cat falls around us we're going off with
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  us yeah like they were getting excited when we
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  were getting excited it was like it wasn't even
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  like when you pulled and all tips over you know
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  because like you're like oh it just struck the
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  cat ball no it was as we're getting like you're
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  gonna tip it you're gonna tip it like that pretty
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  full like our excitement seemed to feed it and
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  to reiterate again to the listeners we every
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  time we go to a haunted place we have this uh
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  game of jenga it's like color jenga each tile
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  is like a different color and we assign before
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  we play each color a different room of the location
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  we're investigating and when things kind of quiet
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  down or we need a brain break we go play jenga
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  and then the loser has to go do a solo in the
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  room that they like if if orange is the creepy
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  attic And they lose pulling in orange. You gotta
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  go do a solo up there. So that's like our thing.
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  That's our game. Is this haunted Jenga. Is haunted
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  Jenga. Do you think that is good for the spirits?
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  Do you think just playing games. Be it Dungeons
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  and Dragons. Anything that's fun. Anything that's
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  gaming. I think anything that brings energy.
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  Or good energy into an environment. Is good.
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  I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
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  yeah yeah if it if it was like something really
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  bad and traumatic happened there there's gonna
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  have like there's always gonna be that feeling
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  of sorrow in there to an extent you know and
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  it's like i and i feel like the more people go
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  in there happy with excitement and it can change
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  that energy a little bit it can change that feeling
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  it can heal it a little bit it can heal it a
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  little bit Oh shit, we didn't even cut to the
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  intro yet. Welcome to our podcast, where we take
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  deep dives looking at various topics through
• 26:44
  a paranormal lens. Okay, now that we came back
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  from the intro, any final thoughts on this? I
• 26:52
  thought this was a great episode. Thank you.
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  That was the best bit we've ever done. The whole
• 27:11
  episode was the intro and then the episode is
• 27:14
  just the outro. I'm crying. I don't cry. I have
• 27:23
  man eyes. Yeah, you have man eyes. They don't
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  have emotions. That's the takeaway? That's the
• 27:35
  final thoughts. Men don't have emotion. I didn't
• 27:44
  realize we were still recording. So, that was
• 27:48
  a fun episode. I feel like this captured the
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  energy of what we were trying to say, which is
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  playing games in haunted places is fun. And this
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  was fun. Not everything can be serious all the
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  time, right? I feel like there's a lot of craziness
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  going on in the world, in paranormal world, world
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  at large, all that. So let's have some fun sometimes.
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  Bring Jenga. I'm curious, anyone listening, what
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  games do you play in haunted locations? Do you
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  play games? Do you have a go -to game? Maybe
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  we can all play games together sometimes. Maybe
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  that's the takeaway. We should all just play
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  more games, have more fun, live a little. On
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  that note, is that good? We like that ending.
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  Yep, that's a better ending than men don't show
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  emotion. Thanks for listening to this week's
• 28:39
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  each and every one of you, and we'll see you
• 28:52
  next Thursday for another paranormal deep dive.