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Sharri | 20 November · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News This Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening tonight, a major exclusive, Penny Wong rejected the
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Speaker 3: recommendation of Australia's diplomats and instead she supported the United
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Speaker 3: Nations resolution recognizing Palestinian sovereignty. The Foreign Minister now in
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Speaker 3: hot water over why she went against the advice of
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Speaker 3: Australia's mission to the UN that full scoop in a moment.
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Speaker 3: Also tonight, Chris Bowen and Anthony Albanezi think they know
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Speaker 3: better than the rest of the world as they refuse
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Speaker 3: to sign up to a nuclear pact with our greatest
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Speaker 3: allies and orcast partners. And my exclusive interview with Deepak Chopra,
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Speaker 3: he unloads on RFK Junior and even Donald Trump with
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Speaker 3: the world famous spiritual guru explaining why he'll no longer
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Speaker 3: follow politics.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't look like the perfect example, you know, somebody
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Speaker 4: who could tackle abisti himself.
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Speaker 3: And that's a rare rebuke from Dpak on RFK. That's
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Speaker 3: coming up a bit later, and he also gives advice
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Speaker 3: on how to find more time to spend with the
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Speaker 3: people you love. But first tonight I can exclusively reveal
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Speaker 3: that Foreign Minister Penniwong's decision to support the UN resolution
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Speaker 3: recognizing Palestinian sovereignty went against the recommendation and submission from
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Speaker 3: Australia's Mission to the United Nations. Our diplomats over at
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Speaker 3: the UN recommended that Australia should, like our allies America,
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Speaker 3: Canada and Israel, abstain from this resolution and not support it,
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Speaker 3: in keeping with Australia's position over the past decade, but
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Speaker 3: Pennywong overruled them, making effectively a captain's call. I also
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Speaker 3: understand this decision didn't go to either Cabinet all the
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Speaker 3: National Security Committee of Cabinet. Again, this was a decision
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Speaker 3: from Pennywog and her pro Palestinian partner in crime, Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 3: I do understand that Senator Wong consulted with some Cabinet colleagues,
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Speaker 3: but not all on the decision. This decision blindsided the
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Speaker 3: Canadian mission, which had been under the impression that Australia
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Speaker 3: would continue to abstain now after this change in position,
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Speaker 3: Australia's Mission to the YUN was then instructed by the
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Speaker 3: Albanese government to inform partner countries of the government's decision.
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Speaker 3: But it wasn't just Canada that was horrified. There was
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Speaker 3: shocked reaction to this here in Australia as well. It
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Speaker 3: was widely reported that this was Pennywog caving into and
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Speaker 3: even rewarding the terrorism of October seven by recognizing Palestinian's
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Speaker 3: sovereignty despite no answers over exactly who would lead a
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Speaker 3: Palestinian state, I mean surely not Hermus, and no demands
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Speaker 3: that they accept Israel's right to exist. As you know,
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Speaker 3: the Nightly Round a cover saying Pennywong rewards Hermus terrorists
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Speaker 3: by shifting government's un stance on palestine sovereign status and
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Speaker 3: that image there of course harkening back to the Gates
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Speaker 3: of Auschwitz. Chris Kenny, in a sensational editorial, said that
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Speaker 3: this was a capitulation to extremists and terrorism, and also
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Speaker 3: a surrender to base electoral politics. He said that Albinizi
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Speaker 3: and Wang should think about whether Hamas even once piece
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Speaker 3: before trying to reward it with what he described as
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Speaker 3: a make believe state still under terrorist control.
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Speaker 5: This is not only grotesque, it's absurd because neither Hamas,
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Speaker 5: nor Balah, nor Islamic g Hard nor Iran will ever
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Speaker 5: accept and implement the establishment of a Palestinian state that
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Speaker 5: requires recognition and security for the state of Israel. This
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Speaker 5: is idiotic because there has never been a Palestinian state,
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Speaker 5: and every time one has been on offer, it's the
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Speaker 5: Palestinians who have rejected it, preferring to back islamis terra
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Speaker 5: outfits like Hummas who want to kill Jews and eliminate Israel.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a point that Bill Clinton made on
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Speaker 3: the campaign trail, and he should know. His efforts at
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Speaker 3: the Camp David Summit were stymied by the Palestinians.
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Speaker 6: All this was offered, they said no. And I think
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Speaker 6: part of it is that Hamas did not care about
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Speaker 6: a homeland for the Palestinians. They wanted to kill Israelis
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Speaker 6: and make Israel uninhabitable.
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Speaker 3: And his whole speech, which was brilliant and Penny Wong
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Speaker 3: should listen to it. But Alexander Downa had some of
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Speaker 3: his own advice for Penny Wong, from one former foreign
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Speaker 3: minister to the current one.
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Speaker 7: If I were in government today, therefore, I could give
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Speaker 7: a bit of advice to Penny Wong and the Labor government.
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Speaker 7: I would think about drafting a resolution which demanded that
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Speaker 7: Hamas hand over the one hundred or so hostages that
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Speaker 7: they're still holding and cease at tax on Israel.
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Speaker 3: How about that suggestion. The Australian also reported that this
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Speaker 3: decision by the government was deepening Australia's rift with the
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Speaker 3: United States on Israel. The Biden administration was unequivocal in
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Speaker 3: condemning this one sided UN resolution, and their diplomat Nicholas
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Speaker 3: Kovell said that the resolution would actually undermine hopes for
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Speaker 3: an end to the war.
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Speaker 8: One sided resolutions will not help advance peace, not when
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Speaker 8: they ignore the facts on the ground. One sided resolutions
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Speaker 8: are purely rhetorical documents that seek to divide us at
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Speaker 8: a time when we should be coming together.
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Speaker 3: And he also spoke about the persistent bias at the
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Speaker 3: United Nations against Israel, and that's from the Biden administration.
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Speaker 3: We know how much stronger Donald Trump's team is going
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Speaker 3: to be. So tonight right now, I'm reporting that this
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Speaker 3: decision by Australia to vote with this one sided resolution
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Speaker 3: was done against the advice of our own bureaucrats and diplomats.
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Speaker 3: And this is the first time Australia has supported this
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Speaker 3: resolution against Israel. No explanation has been offered. For what's
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Speaker 3: changed to mean that Australia would now support this resolution.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: I asked Pennywong today for comment on this, and her
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Speaker 3: spokesperson said, and I quote, While Australia does not agree
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Speaker 3: with everything in the resolution, this vote reflects international concern
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Speaker 3: about Israeli actions that impede access to natural resources and
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Speaker 3: ongoing settlement activity, land dispossession, demolitions and settler violence against Palestinians.
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Speaker 3: She said, We've been clear that such acts undermine stability
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Speaker 3: and prospects for a true state solution. This vote is
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Speaker 3: consistent with the priority we place on building momentum towards
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Speaker 3: a true state solution. Well, I would have thought that
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Speaker 3: the terrorist attacks on October seven and ever since do
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Speaker 3: much more to undermine a true state solution. Now the
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Speaker 3: only explanation I can see is that the Albanesi government
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Speaker 3: is once again putting domestic politics first. They've never been
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Speaker 3: strong supporters of Israel, to say the least. As you know,
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Speaker 3: Albanesi was a pro Palestinian activist yelling into a megaphone
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Speaker 3: at a rally where American and Israeli flags were burned.
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Speaker 3: I lament every day that this is the government we've
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Speaker 3: been dealt with at the single point in time when
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism is the worst it's been since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 3: A week ineffective anti Israel government and we need better
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Speaker 3: than this. Plenty is still to come on tonight's show.
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Speaker 3: My interview with world renowned guru Deepak Chopra coming up,
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Speaker 3: plus lawyer Justin quill would join me to discuss Labour's
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Speaker 3: all but dead Misinformation Bill. But now let's bring in
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Speaker 3: former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor
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Speaker 3: Minister Graham Richardson. Welcome to you both. Michael, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to get your reaction to this breaking news. My revelation
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Speaker 3: now that Penny Wang rejected the advice of Australian diplomats
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Speaker 3: and instead supported this one sided resolution against Israel.
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Speaker 9: Well, as you've reported, she discussed it with Elbow, a
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Speaker 9: handful of others, but in the end she's decided Penny
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Speaker 9: Wong on the Middle East. Pennywong is an extremist. You
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Speaker 9: look at her record, it's disgraceful from October seven onwards.
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Speaker 9: The things she has done are not done which are
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Speaker 9: well known, show that this is a hard left political
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Speaker 9: figure who is Auntie Israel and who is pandering to
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Speaker 9: the Muslim vote in New South Wales to try and
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Speaker 9: hang onto those three seats. I mean, this is a
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Speaker 9: race to the bottom by Penny Wong. It's a disgrace.
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Speaker 9: Bob Hawk would be turning in his grave to hear
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Speaker 9: and see what she has done as Foreign Minister in
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Speaker 9: relation to the Middle East. And she and Albanezi will
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Speaker 9: go down in Australian history as the two people that
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Speaker 9: were in charge of this country when he said Semitism
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Speaker 9: Jewish hatred reached appalling and disgraceful levels. And just like
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Speaker 9: vegetables sitting in the garden, they did nothing. They did nothing.
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Speaker 9: They let this happen. He's a weakened, p sthetic Prime
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Speaker 9: Minster and Penny Wong is a disgrace to this nation.
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Speaker 3: Quite frankly well, said Michael Kroger. Now, Richo, look, there's
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Speaker 3: no cover for Penny one here because there's been no
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Speaker 3: explanation given for why Australia changed its position. Canada didn't,
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Speaker 3: the US didn't, and yet Australia did. It was against
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Speaker 3: the advice I've just revealed of Australia's mission to the
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Speaker 3: United Nation. This didn't go to cabinet or the National
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Speaker 3: Security Committee of Cabinet. So you know what can possibly
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Speaker 3: be the reason what's changed. It is rewarding terrorism, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: I can't see anything that's changed, but I can see
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Speaker 10: a very bad decision has been made. Penny's a friend
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Speaker 10: of mine, but she got this wrong. I think, very wrong,
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Speaker 10: and I don't think it does Australia any credit whatsoever.
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Speaker 3: Well, Richard, clearly these decisions are because of concerns about
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Speaker 3: marginal seats in Western Sydney, also concerns about votes moving
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Speaker 3: towards the Greens. Do you think this is how Labour
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Speaker 3: should be reacting by compromising our national security and compromising
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Speaker 3: proper values.
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Speaker 10: Whenever you compromise your own principles, you cannot possibly be
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Speaker 10: doing any good. People see through you in a minute,
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Speaker 10: in a second, and I think in a nanosecond, as
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Speaker 10: far as I'm concerned, this is just a.
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Speaker 2: Very bad decision.
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Speaker 10: I hope that some people in the cabinet raise the
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Speaker 10: issue and get a proper cabinet discussion going, because I
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Speaker 10: have a feeling you get a different decision out of
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Speaker 10: the cabinet if it was properly debated.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see. But clearly not all cabinet ministers are
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Speaker 3: happy about that decision, that's for sure. Are you hearing
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Speaker 3: that as well, rich O, yes, I am. So you've
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Speaker 3: spoken to cabinet ministers who are disappointed with this decision?
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Speaker 3: I have, indeed, do you want to name names?
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Speaker 10: No, I don't think that'll be exactly Yeah, I wouldn't
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Speaker 10: be look for my future that alone there, But.
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Speaker 3: That is significant. So Graham Richardson has just revealed live
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Speaker 3: on air that he has spoken to cabinet ministers in
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Speaker 3: the Albanezy government who are not happy with the decision
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Speaker 3: that I've reported tonight was a captain's call by Penny Wong.
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Speaker 3: I think that is significant, so we'll see how that
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Speaker 3: plays out in the Labor Party. Let's have a look
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Speaker 3: at nuclear energy now, and of course the Energy Minister
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen has many have said, humiliated our country on
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Speaker 3: the global stage. Australia has refused to sign the nuclear
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Speaker 3: agreement from our Orchist partners and our other allies at
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Speaker 3: the COP twenty nine climate change talks. Now we are
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Speaker 3: clearly seeing this play out. This was a big issue
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Speaker 3: in question time today. Let's have a look at what
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Speaker 3: Peter Dutton had to say.
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Speaker 11: At COP twenty nine and additional six nations endorsed the
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Speaker 11: declaration to triple nuclear energy by twenty fifty. Why is
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Speaker 11: it the Obi government signing up to the same agreement.
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Speaker 8: Why is the Albanizi Labor government out of step with
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Speaker 8: the rest of the world which is increasingly taking up
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Speaker 8: civil nuclear energy.
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Speaker 5: Why does the Albanezy government remain so stubbornly opposed to
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Speaker 5: exploring this proven zero emissions energy source.
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Speaker 3: So, Michael, I mean, the question is what does Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowen think He knows that the other thirty or so
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Speaker 3: world leaders who are pursuing nuclear energy as part of
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Speaker 3: their energy mix, you know that they don't know.
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Speaker 9: What he knows is that the Labor Party since the
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Speaker 9: nineteen seventies have opposed the mining industry, the uranium industry,
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Speaker 9: the coal industry, the gas industry, and anything coming out
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Speaker 9: of the ground. They opposed for ietely logical reasons. It
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Speaker 9: was student political stuff when I was at Monitor in
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Speaker 9: the nineteen seventies. They haven't grown up. They're still run
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Speaker 9: by student political activists to sort of ban uranium mining.
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Speaker 9: Blah blah blah. They can't grow out of this. This
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Speaker 9: fifty year old trauma that they're suffering from. That anything
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Speaker 9: coming out of the ground is bad. They dislike the
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Speaker 9: mining companies they always have. This is all ideological, it's
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Speaker 9: fifty years old. It's another reason why this government is
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Speaker 9: just an embarrassment on the international stage. We see Graham
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Speaker 9: Lloyd wrote in The Australia Today.
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Speaker 1: We're part of this.
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Speaker 9: Group called Generation four Forum, which is an international forum
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Speaker 9: of countries looking to develop nuclear energy, and we're.
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Speaker 3: A member of it.
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Speaker 9: We've been a member for the whole two years of
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Speaker 9: Albanizi's government. He hasn't seemed to notice. And there's an
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Speaker 9: Australian I know whose chairman are one of the most
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Speaker 9: important subcommittees. So we're heavily involved internationally in the development
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Speaker 9: of nuclear technology. Elbows just work it out. Bowen's over
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Speaker 9: there embarrassing in the country. This is a losing argument
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Speaker 9: for labor. This is a really losing argument. They look
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Speaker 9: like you know yesterday, yesterday's government quite frankly, Well, Richard,
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Speaker 9: do you.
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Speaker 3: Think Australia should be energy agnostic when it comes to
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Speaker 3: this and do you think the opposition from federal labor
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Speaker 3: is purely ideological?
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Speaker 10: I'm going to say I would prefer to not rule
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Speaker 10: out nuclear options for the future. We don't know where
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Speaker 10: the technology will eventually go, and to say no at
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Speaker 10: this point seems to me to be ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: So no, I am opposed to my own party on this.
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Speaker 3: And do you think the opposition that we are seeing
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Speaker 3: is just ideological rather than based on any sound principles.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's certainly not based on science, that's for sure.
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Speaker 10: So as far as I'm concerned, we ought to be
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Speaker 10: standing up to that kind of negatism negativism, and we
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Speaker 10: ought to be saying this is a technology that's worth pursuing.
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Speaker 3: All right. I want to get your thoughts on Kevin RD.
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Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, You've got as hard as anyone on Kevin
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Speaker 3: rd's ability to work with Trump as the new ambassador.
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Speaker 3: We know we reported at first here that he called
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Speaker 3: Trump a village idiot. Will now he says he's finally
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Speaker 3: ready to work with a president elect. Have a look.
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Speaker 1: Here at the embassy.
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Speaker 12: We've been working hard through the course of the last
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Speaker 12: year to ensure that we were well prepared for this moment,
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Speaker 12: and the bottom line is we're ready. The team here
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Speaker 12: at the Embassy and the Government of Australia are ready
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Speaker 12: to work closely with the new Trump administration to continue
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Speaker 12: to realize the benefits of what is a very strong
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Speaker 12: economic and security partnership.
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Speaker 3: And I should mention that Andrew bolt On edges before me.
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Speaker 3: He reported that perhaps Team Trump isn't taking Rudd's phone calls. So,
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Speaker 3: Michael Kroger, do you still have concerns about whether right
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Speaker 3: is the right man for the job of our ambassador
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Speaker 3: in Washington.
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Speaker 2: Well, on the basis of.
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Speaker 9: What Andrew bolt revealed tonight, that those reservations are confirmed.
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Speaker 9: I mean the people, let's say Trump forgives people criticize him,
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Speaker 9: have got to remember this. The two example sided JD
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Speaker 9: Vance and Marca Rubio. These are ranking US senators. These
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Speaker 9: aren't a lowly ambassador. I mean, these guys are serious
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Speaker 9: American political figures now one vice president, one in the cabinet. Now,
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Speaker 9: r is not their equivalent. So for this ambassador from
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Speaker 9: Australia to be saying these things about Trump and old
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Speaker 9: Trump's going to forgive him because he's forgiven Vans and Rubio, No,
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Speaker 9: I don't think so. This guy is damaging Australia's credibility.
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Speaker 9: He will damage our trade interest for as long as
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Speaker 9: he's in the embassy in Washington. The good news is
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Speaker 9: for him that he'll be relieved in his job from
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Speaker 9: May onwards. I hope despite what the Liberal parties say federally,
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Speaker 9: they know Dunton and others know how damaging this Blake
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Speaker 9: is and for him to be ringing Marri lagu and
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Speaker 9: I'm sure Andrew Bolt's sources are accurate. By the way,
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Speaker 9: I think I probably know where it's coming from.
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Speaker 3: I think we might.
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Speaker 9: All all know, so let's protect themsel that to be
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Speaker 9: rud Bett, to be Rudd, that'd be right ingratiating himself ringing.
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Speaker 9: There nothing to see here, mate, I'm Kevin Rudd, you
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Speaker 9: know from Queensland.
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Speaker 3: No thank you, I'm Kevin and I'm here to help
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Speaker 3: or not help as the case. Maybe, Richo, what do
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Speaker 3: you think was behind this video message from Kevin Rudd
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Speaker 3: that's made the news today.
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Speaker 10: Ego, that's always what it's behind anything that he does.
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Speaker 10: He I have never known a supreme egotist like this
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Speaker 10: bloke with so little to be egotistical about, you can always.
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Speaker 3: Have great lines, rich O. Look, I think the Coalition
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Speaker 3: has played a very straight bat on this because they
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Speaker 3: don't want to be accused of jeopardizing Australia's national interest.
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Speaker 3: So you know, they've left all the criticism up to
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Speaker 3: the media I suppose and commentators. But you know, we
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Speaker 3: will see if Dutton wins. Surely there'd be a new
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Speaker 3: ambassador in the US, I'm questioned, without question.
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Speaker 1: Let's hope.
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Speaker 3: Let's hope again. EVAs Albo, as he's starting to be known,
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Speaker 3: is again getting scrutiny over his overseas trips. The accusation
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Speaker 3: is that he's spending too much time abroad, too little
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Speaker 3: time worrying about the cost of living in Australia. There's
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Speaker 3: a new report showing that nearly half of Australians say
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Speaker 3: that they were in dire straits economically skipping meals, unable
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Speaker 3: to make their rent. Michael, do you think this is
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Speaker 3: a problem for him, this perception that he's spending too
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Speaker 3: much time away.
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Speaker 9: I don't and never have criticized Australian Prime Minister's elbow
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Speaker 9: Rudd whoever, for going overseas representing our national interest. I
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Speaker 9: mean he's been at very important meetings. He's met the
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Speaker 9: Chinese president, he's met the British Prime minister. He's been
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Speaker 9: in a series of very important meetings with allies and
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Speaker 9: I think it's important for the Australian Prime ministers to
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Speaker 9: be represented, for Australia to be represented overseas by their
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Speaker 9: prime minister. So no, I'm not a critical of his
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Speaker 9: trips on the domestic front. Yes, he's got serious problems here.
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Speaker 9: As I said to you many times, I think his
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Speaker 9: government's going to lose, and you know it doesn't helped
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Speaker 9: by him being away domestically because I think he's got
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Speaker 9: a weak team behind him and he's probably the most
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Speaker 9: influential of the Labor cabinet ministers and when he's not
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Speaker 9: here it doesn't help them.
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Speaker 3: Richard, you always say, as much as we disagree with you,
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Speaker 3: that you know people on the street you think have
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Speaker 3: the view that Albo is a good guy and that
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Speaker 3: you think he's going to win no problem at the
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Speaker 3: next election. Do you still have that view or do
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Speaker 3: you think given what the polls are showing that it
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Speaker 3: is looking shaky now for ALBN Ezy and that Dutton
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Speaker 3: could win.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: That stays in the political cycle.
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Speaker 10: You wouldn't expect him to be doing too well, but
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Speaker 10: he's got to start turning those numbers around in the
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Speaker 10: next stage three or four months, and I'm confident he'll
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Speaker 10: do that.
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Speaker 2: He knows how to do it.
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Speaker 10: He's done it before and I think he'll be able
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Speaker 10: to do it again.
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Speaker 2: Albo's still a boyfriend.
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Speaker 10: Marypoel grew up in the single bedroom flat with an
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Speaker 10: impoverished mother. As far as I'm concerned, I don't think
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Speaker 10: I'll ever forget listening to him talk about those days.
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Speaker 10: He understands what it is to struggle, He really does.
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Speaker 3: He said he's done it before, But when when's he
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Speaker 3: done it before? Because not when he was fighting Scott Morrison.
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Speaker 3: Scott Morrison's polling numbers were shocking.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean all you can do when you're an
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Speaker 10: opposition leader is do better than.
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Speaker 2: Your opposing figure. And I think it was.
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Speaker 10: Genuinely agreed that by the end of the Morrison rain
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Speaker 10: Alba was getting on top of him, and I think
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Speaker 10: he was.
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Speaker 2: I think the history shows it.
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Speaker 3: No, I'm disagreeing that he's never made a comeback like this.
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Speaker 3: I don't think he can. What do you think, Michael.
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Speaker 9: Well look at it this way. Malcolm Fraser turned it
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Speaker 9: around in nine and eighty but couldn't in eighty three.
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Speaker 9: John Howard turned it around in two oh four, but
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Speaker 9: couldn't in two o seven. Kidding turned it around in
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Speaker 9: ninety three, we couldn't in ninety six. Morrison turned it
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Speaker 9: around in nine and with coodnin in twenty two. Albey
22:25
Speaker 9: didn't turn around in twenty two, and I don't think
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Speaker 9: he'll turn it around in twenty five.
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Speaker 3: All right, Green Richards and Michael Kroger, thank you both
22:34
Speaker 3: very much for your time. We'll see you next Wednesday. Now,
22:38
Speaker 3: this is a big story we've been pursuing on the
22:41
Speaker 3: show over and over again. These are the questions, the
22:45
Speaker 3: serious concerns over Labor spending a billion dollars of tax
22:50
Speaker 3: payer money to allegedly help its mates under the guise
22:54
Speaker 3: of the future Made in Australia policy. There are new
22:57
Speaker 3: revelations in the media that the Alberties government engaged external
23:02
Speaker 3: probity advisors only after they received SIGH Quantum's unsolicited proposal
23:08
Speaker 3: for taxpayer funded investment. The opposition is claiming that PSI
23:12
Speaker 3: Quantum was given a head start and that the deal
23:15
Speaker 3: was done under a cloak of secrecy. This is based
23:18
Speaker 3: on new freedom of information documents and I'm joined now
23:21
Speaker 3: for more on this by the Shadow Science Minister, Paul Fletcher. Paul,
23:24
Speaker 3: thanks again for your time. Now, what is new that
23:28
Speaker 3: we now know thanks to these new freedom of information documents?
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Speaker 13: Well, Shari, as you pointed out in your introduction, what
23:37
Speaker 13: we now know is that ed Husick has been telling
23:41
Speaker 13: us in his defense of what happened, that there was
23:43
Speaker 13: independent probity advice. But we now have the timeline. The
23:46
Speaker 13: independent probity advisor was appointed in January of twenty twenty three.
23:51
Speaker 13: Now the significance of that is that it was in
23:53
Speaker 13: November twenty twenty three when the Albanese labor government agreed
23:58
Speaker 13: to consider an unsolicited proposal from the American company PSI
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Speaker 13: Quantum for an investment in the company. We know that
24:06
Speaker 13: ed Husick personally met the company at least twice before well,
24:12
Speaker 13: including in January in California, and so it very much
24:17
Speaker 13: looks like the probity advisor was appointed after the preferred
24:24
Speaker 13: access had been provided to Piquantum, and it raises an
24:30
Speaker 13: obvious question why did Ssiquonum get preferred access. One of
24:34
Speaker 13: the other things we know is that Blackbird, an Australian
24:38
Speaker 13: venture capital company, was an earlier investor in Piquantum, and
24:42
Speaker 13: therefore of course stood to benefit should the Australian government
24:46
Speaker 13: make a subsequent investment in PSI Quantum. We know that
24:49
Speaker 13: there is a close personal friendship between Ellen Broad who
24:53
Speaker 13: is a senior advisor to Ed Husick, and Kate Glazebrook,
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Speaker 13: who's a senior executive at Blackbird. In fact, we know
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Speaker 13: that Kate Glaisbrook was one of two Blackbird executives appointed
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Speaker 13: by d Husick to senior government to government boards and
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Speaker 13: advisory committees in late twenty twenty two. And so when
25:15
Speaker 13: mister Husick is saying, oh, well there was probity advice,
25:18
Speaker 13: we've now discovered, and it is I think a significant
25:21
Speaker 13: discovery through this freedom of information process that actually the
25:24
Speaker 13: independent probity advisor didn't start providing advice until well after
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Speaker 13: there had been this preferred access given to sigh Quantum
25:34
Speaker 13: to speak directly to Minister Husick.
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Speaker 3: We've covered previously on the show the extent of the
25:41
Speaker 3: labor connections involved at the various arms of this deal,
25:46
Speaker 3: this process, this investment a billion dollars of taxpayer funds
25:51
Speaker 3: into a company that should just rely on VC investment.
25:56
Speaker 3: It doesn't need taxpayer funding. Now we know that the
25:59
Speaker 3: order to I're always considering a formal inquiry, but you've
26:03
Speaker 3: now moved a motion in the House of Representatives to
26:05
Speaker 3: also have a parliamentary inquiry. What do you want to
26:09
Speaker 3: examine under the parliamentary inquiry? And you're not going to
26:13
Speaker 3: get it up, are you? Or do you think the tials,
26:15
Speaker 3: I mean they've promised transparency. Are they going to support
26:17
Speaker 3: you on this?
26:20
Speaker 13: We'll Sharry you're right. This week we moved a motion
26:22
Speaker 13: to establish a select committee of the House of Representatives
26:26
Speaker 13: to have a look at all aspects of the Si
26:28
Speaker 13: Quantum Deal and how it was that the Albanezy labor
26:32
Speaker 13: government together with the now gone Miles labor government in Queensland,
26:37
Speaker 13: agreed to commit almost a billion dollars of taxpayers money
26:41
Speaker 13: to this American company. Now we'll be continuing to press
26:46
Speaker 13: for that to be brought to a vote and voted
26:49
Speaker 13: on now. Ed Husick has said that he welcomes scrutiny
26:52
Speaker 13: of the Si Quantum Deal because he says there's nothing
26:55
Speaker 13: to hide. Well, if he's serious about scrutiny, he will
26:59
Speaker 13: cause the Labor Party to agree to this committee and
27:04
Speaker 13: certainly we would welcome having cross benches on it, and
27:07
Speaker 13: indeed the motion that we've moved proposers that there would
27:10
Speaker 13: be cross benches on this committee as well as Government
27:13
Speaker 13: and opposition in peace.
27:15
Speaker 3: You haven't heard at this point whether the Tills will
27:17
Speaker 3: support your motion for an inquiry if it goes to
27:20
Speaker 3: a vote or when it goes to a vote.
27:23
Speaker 13: Not as yet, but we will be seeking at some
27:27
Speaker 13: time to see if we can bring it on for
27:28
Speaker 13: a vote, and will certainly then in that instance be
27:32
Speaker 13: seeking the support of the Tills, and of course we'll
27:34
Speaker 13: be seeking the support of the Government consistent with Minister
27:38
Speaker 13: Hugh Six's words that he welcomes transparency. Now, of course,
27:40
Speaker 13: what we've also been doing is using the estimates process.
27:43
Speaker 13: We learned some interesting things in that in recent weeks,
27:46
Speaker 13: including that the Australian Government investment is in three components.
27:51
Speaker 13: One of those has already been paid's one hundred and
27:54
Speaker 13: twenty five million dollars and that presently is a convertible loan,
27:58
Speaker 13: but if certain conditions are met, that will turn into
28:00
Speaker 13: an equity investment. Now, one of those conditions is that
28:04
Speaker 13: zy Quantum has to raise additional money from private investors.
28:07
Speaker 13: Departmental officials told estimates that as yet that had not happened.
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Speaker 3: M All right, a long way to go in that
28:14
Speaker 3: story really is. Look, it's a big story, you've got
28:18
Speaker 3: to say, and there are a lot of conflicts of
28:20
Speaker 3: interest involved. Paul Fletcher, appreciate your time now still to come.
28:24
Speaker 3: Peter Darton has called for a national plan to deal
28:27
Speaker 3: with youth suicide and bullying to help save young lives
28:31
Speaker 3: with a Sunday Telegraph editor and a Coldwell would join
28:35
Speaker 3: me next and later my sit down interview with spiritual
28:38
Speaker 3: guru Deepak Chopra where he says he's done with following
28:42
Speaker 3: politics after Donald Trumps when it could be his most
28:45
Speaker 3: controversial interview yet. That's all coming up, welcome back. Well,
28:55
Speaker 3: we've seen lately a spate of absolutely devastation bullying stories
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Speaker 3: where young people, boys and girls have taken their own
29:06
Speaker 3: lives because of extreme bullying that schools knew about, that
29:10
Speaker 3: parents told schools about, but that just nothing was done,
29:15
Speaker 3: no proper action was taken. Well, this has all come
29:19
Speaker 3: this is all part of a very powerful documentary. That's
29:24
Speaker 3: the responsibility or that's a credit to the Sunday Telegraph
29:29
Speaker 3: editor Anna Caldwell. The documentary is called Charlotte's Wish. It
29:33
Speaker 3: was made in the name of the twelve year old
29:35
Speaker 3: girl Charlotte O'Brien, who took her own life after horrific bullying.
29:40
Speaker 3: Here's an excerpt from that documentary. They had made group
29:51
Speaker 3: chaps and they were calling her fat and ugly and
29:54
Speaker 3: told her to go kill herself.
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Speaker 1: There's been another case since. It continues to happen today
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Speaker 1: with social media where they give no rest.
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Speaker 3: This issue is worse than twelve years ago.
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Speaker 2: One of the.
30:07
Speaker 3: Toxic friends said he didn't take enough pills, he didn't
30:10
Speaker 3: try hard enough. How's that for a friend?
30:12
Speaker 13: Persistent targeting of an individual so is that their life
30:15
Speaker 13: becomes unbearable.
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Speaker 3: It's beyond devastating that bullying is taking young Australian lives
30:30
Speaker 3: and leaving too many grieving parents wondering what on earth
30:34
Speaker 3: they could have done to protect their poor child, even
30:37
Speaker 3: though they continually raised it with the school principle. If
30:41
Speaker 3: you haven't seen that documentary yet, it's about twenty minutes long,
30:45
Speaker 3: please go to the Daily Telegraph website, google it, find
30:49
Speaker 3: the documentary and watch it. It's so important for every
30:52
Speaker 3: parent to know what issues, what signs to look out
30:56
Speaker 3: for and to help put the pressure on the governments
30:59
Speaker 3: federally at a state level to take action or to
31:02
Speaker 3: discuss this more. I'm joined now by the editor of
31:04
Speaker 3: the Sunday and Saturday Telegraph, Annaquadwell. Anna, I mean that
31:08
Speaker 3: documentary was so emotional, it's so confronting. It's really difficult
31:13
Speaker 3: to watch. But you have put this issue into the
31:16
Speaker 3: national spotlight. Tell us what action you want to happen.
31:20
Speaker 14: Thanks, Sharry, thanks so much for that. You're right, it
31:23
Speaker 14: is a really harrowing watch. I think you can see
31:25
Speaker 14: that from that trailer.
31:26
Speaker 10: There.
31:27
Speaker 14: The reason we pursued this documentary, and the reason we
31:30
Speaker 14: pursued this difficult topic, I think so thoroughly, is because
31:33
Speaker 14: it was the dying wish of Charlotte O'Brien. You know,
31:36
Speaker 14: when she ended her life, she left a note for
31:38
Speaker 14: her parents asking them to raise awareness about bullying. So
31:43
Speaker 14: in investigating this, what we found is that for parents
31:46
Speaker 14: sending their school their kids to school, it's basically a
31:48
Speaker 14: luck of the draw as to whether schools are going
31:50
Speaker 14: to be equipped to dealing with bullying. Bullying policy has
31:53
Speaker 14: barely evolved over the years. It is a cruel lottery
31:56
Speaker 14: for parents based on whether the schools have their result
32:00
Speaker 14: to deal with it, whether they're trained to deal with it,
32:02
Speaker 14: and how they deal with any given circumstance at any
32:04
Speaker 14: given time. So what we think needs to happen and
32:06
Speaker 14: what these parents who we've interviewed want to happen is
32:09
Speaker 14: a nationally consistent standard. And when I say nationally consistent,
32:13
Speaker 14: I don't mean coming together on the lowest common denominator.
32:16
Speaker 14: We think experts need to come together to find very
32:19
Speaker 14: high measures, very high standards that schools need to live
32:22
Speaker 14: up to.
32:23
Speaker 3: In the documentary, you report that youth suicides have nearly
32:27
Speaker 3: doubled since the iPhone was introduced. Do you think this
32:32
Speaker 3: rise in bullying, you know, is solely because of the
32:36
Speaker 3: rise of social media or is this just one of
32:38
Speaker 3: the many factors.
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Speaker 14: It's a factor. I mean, we know bullying has been
32:42
Speaker 14: around for deca forever, right, bullying is just an age
32:45
Speaker 14: old problem. But I think what's happened as time has
32:48
Speaker 14: evolved is that you cannot escape it. So, you know,
32:50
Speaker 14: schools do put measures into place, like some schools band phones.
32:54
Speaker 14: There's been a consistent approach on that across New South Wales,
32:56
Speaker 14: for example. But it means that when kids go home,
32:59
Speaker 14: whereas traditionally they could leave their bullies at school, their
33:01
Speaker 14: bullies followed them home, they followed them into their bedroom,
33:04
Speaker 14: they follow them late at night, and so I think
33:06
Speaker 14: there is just this relentlessness that hasn't always existed. I
33:10
Speaker 14: also think the rise of social media gives rise to
33:13
Speaker 14: a viciousness that comes in text form. You know, we
33:16
Speaker 14: see these keyboard warriors in adult life. I think it's
33:19
Speaker 14: not a dissimilar thing for kids. You know, I think
33:21
Speaker 14: in some ways the insults and the attacks can become
33:25
Speaker 14: more vile.
33:26
Speaker 3: So you're now saying there should be a consistent approach
33:29
Speaker 3: to bullying nationally. This is what you're campaigning for at
33:32
Speaker 3: the Saturday and Sunday Telegraph. Yes, yes, that's right.
33:37
Speaker 14: The great thing was when we raised this issue, many
33:40
Speaker 14: of the premiers were very quick to come to the
33:42
Speaker 14: table and to say that they think there needs to
33:43
Speaker 14: be a national standard. In fact, many shockingly were surprised
33:46
Speaker 14: that they weren't, you know, within a day of us
33:49
Speaker 14: releasing this this documentary pro card, the New South Wales
33:52
Speaker 14: Education Minister announced that she wanted to bring all of
33:55
Speaker 14: the sectors to the table in New South Wales to
33:57
Speaker 14: create a state based bullying policy, but we think it
34:00
Speaker 14: needs to go further.
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, Anna Cardwell, thank you for coming on.
34:05
Speaker 3: This is such a powerful campaign. We're going to stick
34:08
Speaker 3: on it and let's hope that it saves some young lives.
34:12
Speaker 14: Thanks Sherry, Thanks so much.
34:14
Speaker 3: And if you or anyone you know is struggling to cope,
34:17
Speaker 3: you can call Lifeline on thirteen eleven fourteen. Lifeline on
34:21
Speaker 3: thirteen eleven fourteen. Now coming up, labors or WELLI and
34:26
Speaker 3: Misinformation Bill looks like it's dead in the water. Well
34:29
Speaker 3: what does this mean for our free speech? I'm going
34:31
Speaker 3: to talk about that with media lawyer Justin Quill later. Plus,
34:34
Speaker 3: Depak Chopper explains why he's quitting politics, quitting following politics
34:40
Speaker 3: after Donald Trump's election. That's after this quick break, welcome back. Well,
34:48
Speaker 3: a few months ago, you might remember I spoke to
34:51
Speaker 3: Depak Chopper. He was in the States to discuss the
34:54
Speaker 3: social unrest that has spread across the globe after October seven.
34:58
Speaker 3: Since then has changed the US election. We're in a
35:02
Speaker 3: time of uncertainty and war and I caught up with
35:05
Speaker 3: Deepak Chopra this afternoon. He's in Sydney at the moment,
35:09
Speaker 3: and I asked his take on the current political climate.
35:12
Speaker 3: His controversial answers came as a surprise. Here's that interview. DEARPACT,
35:19
Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time. So wonderful to
35:21
Speaker 3: see you here in Australia.
35:22
Speaker 1: Thank you, it's great to be with you again.
35:25
Speaker 3: Well, since we last spoke in September, the US election
35:28
Speaker 3: took place. You're passionate about not just spiritual wellbeing but
35:34
Speaker 3: health as well. We've seen Donald Trump announce RFK as
35:39
Speaker 3: his health secretary. Obesity is a major problem in America.
35:44
Speaker 3: Do you have confidence that RFK will make a change
35:48
Speaker 3: and we'll be able to tackle this.
35:53
Speaker 1: I find RK.
35:56
Speaker 4: Full of contradiction and paradox. He is views on nutrition,
36:04
Speaker 4: health and well being are actually quite good. However, you
36:11
Speaker 4: seem gorging on McDonald's on the private jet. He doesn't
36:17
Speaker 4: look like the perfect example of you know, somebody who
36:22
Speaker 4: could tackle a beast to himself. And he has other views,
36:27
Speaker 4: which of course are also controversial, like you know, the
36:33
Speaker 4: whole vaccine conspiracy and the fact that vaccines cause autism,
36:38
Speaker 4: for which there's no proof. I know that a lot
36:41
Speaker 4: of people have very strong opinions about these matter, especially vaccines,
36:47
Speaker 4: and yes, vaccines could have certain.
36:51
Speaker 1: Side effects, so does everything.
36:54
Speaker 4: And for a person who grew up in India, where
36:58
Speaker 4: I saw people dying of poor leo, of smallpox, even
37:03
Speaker 4: measles tuberculosis, I saw people on respirators, friends and relatives
37:11
Speaker 4: who lost their lives. It's very difficult for anyone to
37:15
Speaker 4: convince me that vaccines don't prevent some kinds of very
37:23
Speaker 4: devastating diseases. So having said that, you know, America elected
37:30
Speaker 4: mister Trump, and America basically was quite honest in the
37:38
Speaker 4: fact that they want to miss their leader. And if
37:42
Speaker 4: he chooses a cabinet with the likes.
37:44
Speaker 1: Of RFK and.
37:46
Speaker 4: What's his name, Matt Matt Gates, who's been accused of
37:51
Speaker 4: all kinds of things, including sex trafficking, then that's what
37:57
Speaker 4: apparently is the face of.
38:00
Speaker 1: America right now.
38:02
Speaker 4: And I'm sure everyone who's been you know, who's been
38:06
Speaker 4: guilty of things like this. First we'll start with mister
38:11
Speaker 4: Trump pardoning himself and then his colleagues, but why not,
38:17
Speaker 4: why not pardon all the other people in prison right now?
38:21
Speaker 4: It just seems very strange to me, and I have
38:26
Speaker 4: decided personally to totally disengage from politics.
38:32
Speaker 3: It's not that, you know, just in America, just in
38:34
Speaker 3: America globally.
38:36
Speaker 4: General, because you know, the politics by itself, the more
38:41
Speaker 4: I look at it is all about parmongering, influence, speddling, cronyism,
38:48
Speaker 4: corruption followed the money trail and very mail dominated across
38:56
Speaker 4: the board and.
38:58
Speaker 1: So but it's just what it is.
39:01
Speaker 4: So, you know, we have to accept these facts that
39:04
Speaker 4: whoever the president is and lawfully and legally elected, must
39:11
Speaker 4: reflect the values of the country. And if these are
39:14
Speaker 4: the values of America, so be it.
39:18
Speaker 3: Well. I think it reflects this result in America, this
39:22
Speaker 3: disillusionment with the working class, with the political and media elite.
39:28
Speaker 3: You know, Trump represents the opposite to that. So, you know,
39:33
Speaker 3: do you think we are seeing a movement or an
39:37
Speaker 3: uprising by the working class against the values the ideology
39:44
Speaker 3: that is being foisted on them.
39:48
Speaker 4: I see that that the working classes is disenchanted, and
39:54
Speaker 4: I feel.
39:56
Speaker 1: Very strongly that.
40:00
Speaker 4: Sified, you know, because they're marginalized. The working people are marginalized.
40:07
Speaker 4: But I don't see this administration as being their champion, because,
40:13
Speaker 4: if anything, the rich are going to get richer with
40:16
Speaker 4: all their tax carts, and the very people that have
40:23
Speaker 4: hope in this new administration are going to be left out.
40:28
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that the other side could have
40:32
Speaker 4: been better, you know, it's just that it's the nature
40:36
Speaker 4: of bipartisan politics for politicians.
40:41
Speaker 1: To look out for themselves. Period.
40:44
Speaker 3: In Australia, like in many other global cities, we've seen
40:48
Speaker 3: a lot of social unrest. We've seen aggressive protesters, violence,
40:55
Speaker 3: anti semitism, hatred. A lot of my viewers in particular
41:02
Speaker 3: have been very distressed over the past year because of
41:05
Speaker 3: the anti semitism, this increase in racism that we're seeing.
41:11
Speaker 3: What's your advice for us when we're trying to cope
41:14
Speaker 3: in this tumultuous time.
41:17
Speaker 4: Be peaceful yourself, don't be racist, and hang out with
41:22
Speaker 4: people like that, and then create your own communities.
41:26
Speaker 1: You know, there are three things you can do.
41:28
Speaker 4: One is create your own ecosystem, community of service, community,
41:35
Speaker 4: and of.
41:39
Speaker 1: A spiritual bond. You know.
41:44
Speaker 4: Social scientists say that if we have shared vision, maximum diversity,
41:50
Speaker 4: complement everybody's strengths, and create a spiritual and emotional bond,
41:57
Speaker 4: then you can create a community which is peaceful and just.
42:01
Speaker 3: On an individual level, you hear most people say they
42:05
Speaker 3: feel busier than they ever have been. They don't have
42:08
Speaker 3: enough time for their loved ones. What do you suggest
42:11
Speaker 3: when people come to you with this problem?
42:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think only busy people have time. People who
42:17
Speaker 4: say I don't have time, they're just distracted. If you're
42:20
Speaker 4: totally focused on what you're doing in the moment and
42:23
Speaker 4: you're present, there's no fatigue. Fatiguers when you think about
42:28
Speaker 4: the future, anticipate the future, or you regret the past,
42:31
Speaker 4: but when you bring presents to any experience, there's absolutely
42:36
Speaker 4: no fatigue.
42:37
Speaker 3: So on an individual level, staying present, be present, Be present.
42:42
Speaker 1: This is the only moment you have.
42:44
Speaker 3: Just finally, what's your best advice for staying healthy both
42:48
Speaker 3: mentally and physically.
42:50
Speaker 1: Don't resist existence. Be go with the flow that you
42:56
Speaker 1: have no choice.
42:57
Speaker 4: The moment you resist existence, in this moment you're distressed.
43:03
Speaker 4: I recognize and recognize the impermanence of your existence. I
43:07
Speaker 4: once saw a grieve say to where there was a
43:10
Speaker 4: saying it said, There was a saying on the grief
43:15
Speaker 4: sa It said, where you are I once was, and
43:20
Speaker 4: where I am.
43:20
Speaker 1: You will soon be. So accept that impermanence.
43:25
Speaker 4: Once you accept impermanence, every moment is precious.
43:29
Speaker 3: It is indeed, well, thank you for spending your precious
43:31
Speaker 3: moments with me here feedback really appreciate, Thank you, Thank you.
43:36
Speaker 3: And the full interview with Deepak Chopper where he also
43:38
Speaker 3: spoke about how he thinks humans are going to evolve
43:41
Speaker 3: into a meta species thanks to AI that will be
43:44
Speaker 3: online at sky News dot com dot Au. Shortly right
43:48
Speaker 3: after this shot break, Veteran media lawyer Justin Quile will
43:51
Speaker 3: talk us through Labors Misinformation Bill, which hopefully looks like
43:55
Speaker 3: it's dead, buried and cremated. What this means for our
43:59
Speaker 3: free speed each an for censorship next, well, good news
44:06
Speaker 3: now that it looks like Anthony Albanese's mission to introduce
44:10
Speaker 3: totalitarian style misinformation laws are set to fail. This after
44:16
Speaker 3: cross bench senators have basically all come out to say
44:19
Speaker 3: that they are going to oppose the laws when it
44:22
Speaker 3: goes to a vote in the Senate next week. Now
44:25
Speaker 3: the desperate Albanese government is basically out of cross benj allies.
44:29
Speaker 3: Now they're left scrambling to discuss this more. I'm joined
44:33
Speaker 3: by media lawyer and partner at major law firm at
44:35
Speaker 3: Thompson Gea, Justin Quill. Justin great to see you. Look
44:39
Speaker 3: these were always dangerous, O'wellian laws. You and I have
44:43
Speaker 3: been speaking about this for a year and a half now,
44:46
Speaker 3: and yet the Albaneze government never backed down on them.
44:49
Speaker 3: The only reason it looks like they're going to fail
44:52
Speaker 3: is because of the cross bench in the Senate.
44:56
Speaker 15: Yeah, extraordinary that it was even contrabided, extraordinary that it
45:01
Speaker 15: was put forward seriously, and then just bewildering that here
45:08
Speaker 15: we are months and months later, even after everyone pointed
45:11
Speaker 15: out all the problems with this proposal exercis but absolutely
45:16
Speaker 15: bewildering that we are still here and that they haven't
45:19
Speaker 15: completely abandoned it.
45:21
Speaker 16: So look, I guess it's a case of when you're
45:23
Speaker 16: in government, you're trying to control the narrative. And that's
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Speaker 16: exactly what they're trying to do. They're trying to control
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Speaker 16: what people are saying and what people are thinking. So concerning.
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Speaker 15: I know that sounds bisire and saying it.
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Speaker 16: But that's what that's what this bill was attempting to do.
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Speaker 3: I mean, what is this obsession with And I actually
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Speaker 3: think it's an obsession by the Prime Minister because we
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Speaker 3: heard during the voice debate that he kept saying in Parliament,
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Speaker 3: he kept accusing no campaigners of misinformation and disinformation. Linda
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Speaker 3: Bernie used it in misinformation line as well. I mean,
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Speaker 3: what's their obsession with controlling information on the Internet. Why
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Speaker 3: not just let people have free speech and have different
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Speaker 3: points of view. Not everyone has to agree with him
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Speaker 3: on topics like the vice.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: Well, look, I think it comes down to confidence, confidence
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Speaker 16: in yourself.
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Speaker 17: If you're not confident in what you're doing, then you
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Speaker 17: don't want to expose yourself to transparency and expose yourself
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Speaker 17: to people's opinions because you probably did down know that
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Speaker 17: those opinions are going to win out against you.
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Speaker 16: The concerning thing about this bell, of course, was that
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Speaker 16: it was designed to capture a Government Authorities ACTMA, although
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Speaker 16: some people say it's independent, but it's ultimately a government
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Speaker 16: body appointed by the government what they considered to be
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Speaker 16: reasonably verifiable as false, misleading or deceptive information. And then
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Speaker 16: it was to control and move and potentially investigate or
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Speaker 16: even jail people in relation to that what they consider false, misleading,
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Speaker 16: or deceptive.
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Speaker 15: I mean, that's extraordinary stuff.
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Speaker 16: What might be considered false today later after discussion we
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Speaker 16: found be true.
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Speaker 15: I think about Shara, you.
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Speaker 16: Almost as a lone voice in fact on the question
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Speaker 16: of whether the COVID came from Wupan lab, and people
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Speaker 16: cry that you're saying, OK, that is absolutely false, of misleading,
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Speaker 16: its and deceptive. Now here we are today and I
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Speaker 16: don't think anyone can say that with neither the gusto.
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Speaker 3: They did exactly and there have been so many other issues,
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Speaker 3: not just that you just said then even jail. I
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Speaker 3: spoke about this on Monday night. But I think that's
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Speaker 3: something that wasn't well understood that even jail time could
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Speaker 3: have been. And I say it could have been. I
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Speaker 3: mean it hasn't gone to the vote in the Senate yet,
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Speaker 3: we're expecting it's going to be voted down, but justin
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Speaker 3: people could have even been jailed for misinformation. You've got
47:52
Speaker 3: about thirty seconds here.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, well what we're talking about there, that's just be clear.
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Speaker 16: Is it not for the publication of misinformation? But the
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Speaker 16: government through the minister.
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Speaker 18: Could conducted investigation and if you don't comply with that investigation,
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Speaker 18: provide information, provide documents, answer questions, then you could be
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Speaker 18: jailed and serious style term.
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Speaker 17: It's not just a day of here or a day.
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Speaker 16: We're talking up to a year after, not complying with
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Speaker 16: handing over a documents or another year if you don't
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Speaker 16: answer question. So it was in the context of not
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Speaker 16: complying with an investigation. Still very concerned.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's absolutely insanity. Is the sort of stuff we
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Speaker 3: see in Russia and China. We shouldn't have even been
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Speaker 3: fighting this cause in Australia. Justin Quill, thank you so
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Speaker 3: much for joining me tonight. That's all we've got time.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for watching. I see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 3: Here's Paul Murray