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- 0:03Speaker 1: The smell hit Gordon Brooks before he saw anything. It
- 0:08Speaker 1: was 7.42 in the morning on July 9, 2009, and
- 0:14Speaker 1: he was cutting across the vacant lot behind Harmon Street
- 0:17Speaker 1: on his way to set up folding chairs for a
- 0:20Speaker 1: church breakfast. The Simansky printing warehouse was still smoldering, and there,
- 0:27Speaker 1: three feet from a collapsed rear wall sitting upright in
- 0:30Speaker 1: a field of wet ash, was a small yellow surveyor's flag. Clean,
- 0:35Speaker 1: wire stake perfectly perpendicular. Not a smudge on it. That
- 0:40Speaker 1: flag should not have existed. Everything around it had burned
- 0:44Speaker 1: or collapsed or melted into the rubble. But the flag
- 0:48Speaker 1: stood there as if someone had planted it after the
- 0:51Speaker 1: fire died down, which, it would turn out, is exactly
- 0:55Speaker 1: what happened. Brooks called the non-emergency line.
- 1:00Speaker 2: He did not know it.
- 1:01Speaker 1: But that single phone call would unravel a scheme that
- 1:04Speaker 1: had been running quietly through the small industrial city of
- 1:08Speaker 1: Delard for the better part of three years. Four buildings,
- 1:12Speaker 1: four fires, one company collecting the cleanup contracts every single time,
- 1:18Speaker 1: and an insurance adjuster accelerating payments before the fire marshal
- 1:22Speaker 1: had even classified the cause. What made the Delard arson
- 1:26Speaker 1: racket difficult to see was how ordinary it looked from
- 1:30Speaker 1: the outside.
- 1:32Speaker 2: That is what this story is about.
- 1:34Speaker 1: The mechanics of a small city fraud that hid inside
- 1:37Speaker 1: legitimate commerce, and the narrow chain of evidence that finally
- 1:41Speaker 1: exposed it. To understand what Scott Bauer was looking at
- 1:45Speaker 1: when that call came in, you have to understand what
- 1:48Speaker 1: Dellard was in 2009. It was a second-ring industrial city,
- 1:53Speaker 1: the kind that had shared manufacturing jobs steadily since the
- 1:58Speaker 1: 1980s without ever quite collapsing. Old brick warehouses sat vacant
- 2:03Speaker 1: along the Port District, and on the numbered blocks off
- 2:06Speaker 1: Harmon Street, their owners carrying insurance policies they could no
- 2:10Speaker 1: longer justify and couldn't easily unload. Demolition was cheaper than renovation.
- 2:17Speaker 1: Debris removal was a steady, unglamorous business.
- 2:21Speaker 2: Nobody paid it much attention.
- 2:23Speaker 1: Scott Bauer, 38 years old, had joined the Dellard Police
- 2:27Speaker 1: Department's organized crime unit six years earlier. after a prior
- 2:32Speaker 1: career as an insurance investigator. He understood both worlds. How
- 2:38Speaker 1: claims moved, how contracts got awarded, how money traveled through
- 2:43Speaker 1: industrial service work without attracting notice. When the Simonsky fire
- 2:48Speaker 1: came in, it landed on his desk almost by accident.
- 2:52Speaker 1: A patrol supervisor flagged the location because it was the
- 2:56Speaker 1: fourth commercial fire in the corridor in just under three years.
- 3:01Speaker 1: Four fires, same general zone, same type of structure each time. Unoccupied, insured,
- 3:09Speaker 1: commercially distressed. Bauer pulled the previous files before lunch. The
- 3:15Speaker 1: first fire had consumed a machine shop on Olin Road.
- 3:18Speaker 1: The second, a textile finishing plant on Brecket Avenue. The third,
- 3:24Speaker 1: a cold storage facility in the Port District. The fourth
- 3:28Speaker 1: was the Szymanski Warehouse. A three-story brick building on the
- 3:33Speaker 1: 1600 block of Harmon Street, bankrupt for 18 months before
- 3:37Speaker 1: it burned. All four buildings had been unoccupied at the
- 3:40Speaker 1: time of each blaze. No injuries, no fatalities. In each case,
- 3:46Speaker 1: a debris removal contract had been awarded within two business
- 3:50Speaker 1: days of the fire report. Every single contract had gone
- 3:54Speaker 1: to Slater Site Services. Terry Slater was 44 years old.
- 3:59Speaker 1: and had run Slater Site Services out of a yard
- 4:02Speaker 1: on Dunbar Road for 11 years. 17 employees. A solid
- 4:08Speaker 1: regional reputation. His bids ran roughly 12% above the regional average,
- 4:14Speaker 1: which was unusual but not disqualifying. Site work in Dellard
- 4:18Speaker 1: carried liability exposure, and some clients paid for reliability. Slater
- 4:24Speaker 1: was active in local contractor circles. He coached youth baseball
- 4:28Speaker 1: on weekends. Nothing about him flagged a threat. But Bauer
- 4:33Speaker 1: had spent years in insurance investigation. He knew what a
- 4:37Speaker 1: pattern looked like before it had a name. The Dellard
- 4:41Speaker 1: case has been filed under fraud, conspiracy, and negligence, simultaneously
- 4:47Speaker 1: satisfying none of them completely. This was not a desperate
- 4:50Speaker 1: man committing a crime of necessity. Slater was already running
- 4:54Speaker 1: a functioning business. What the evidence would eventually show is
- 4:58Speaker 1: that the racket began as opportunism and then became habit,
- 5:02Speaker 1: which is in many ways the harder thing to explain.
- 5:05Speaker 1: The question Bauer was sitting with that morning was not
- 5:08Speaker 1: yet about motive. It was simpler and more immediate. Four fires,
- 5:13Speaker 1: one contractor, two business days each time. Either Terry Slater
- 5:18Speaker 1: was the luckiest demolition operator in the county, or someone
- 5:21Speaker 1: was making sure the work came to him. And if
- 5:24Speaker 1: someone was making sure, There had to be a mechanism.
- 5:28Speaker 1: There had to be a person inside the insurance process
- 5:32Speaker 1: who was moving faster than the rules allowed. Bauer did
- 5:36Speaker 1: not have that name yet, but he.
- 5:38Speaker 2: Knew where to look.
- 5:40Speaker 1: The solicitation for debris removal at the Olin Road machine
- 5:43Speaker 1: shop went out on a Monday morning. Thirty hours later,
- 5:48Speaker 1: Terry Slater submitted a bid. That timing was already on.
- 5:53Speaker 1: The fire marshal's tape was still on. No contractor had
- 5:57Speaker 1: legal access to the site. Yet Slater's measurements came back
- 6:01Speaker 1: accurate to within 2% of the post-demolition actuals. 2%. On
- 6:07Speaker 1: a building he had never legally entered. Bauer pulled the
- 6:11Speaker 1: bid documents and set them side by side with the
- 6:14Speaker 1: fire marshal's access log. The numbers did not align.
- 6:18Speaker 2: They could not align.
- 6:19Speaker 1: Not honestly. For Slater to achieve that level of accuracy
- 6:24Speaker 1: from the street... from photographs, from guesswork, would have required
- 6:29Speaker 1: either extraordinary luck or prior knowledge of the interior. Bauer
- 6:34Speaker 1: wrote one word in the margin of his notes. He
- 6:37Speaker 1: circled it. The word was inside. But inside what, exactly?
- 6:43Speaker 1: The building, certainly. And something else. Slater Site Services offered
- 6:48Speaker 1: free pre-demolition.
- 6:49Speaker 2: Assessments to prospective clients.
- 6:52Speaker 1: It was marketed as a service. A way to build
- 6:55Speaker 1: goodwill and win future work. Property owners let Slater's crew
- 7:00Speaker 1: walk their buildings weeks before any contract was signed. The
- 7:04Speaker 1: assessments were legal.
- 7:05Speaker 2: They were documented.
- 7:07Speaker 1: And they meant that at every one of the four
- 7:09Speaker 1: fire sites, a Slater employee had been inside the structure.
- 7:13Speaker 2: Before it burned. That employee had a name. Craig Sievert.
- 7:18Speaker 2: Sievert was 40 years old. Give or take.
- 7:21Speaker 1: And carried the title of site supervisor at Slater Site Services.
- 7:25Speaker 1: Before that, he had owned a company called Dunmore Excavating,
- 7:29Speaker 1: operating out of Fenner, a smaller municipality about 30 miles
- 7:34Speaker 1: from Dellard. He had relocated in 2004. He was quiet, reliable,
- 7:40Speaker 1: and known in the trade for working fast. Nobody who
- 7:44Speaker 1: dealt with him had complaints.
- 7:47Speaker 2: That is worth.
- 7:48Speaker 1: Pausing on, because the same description Quiet, reliable, fast applied
- 7:54Speaker 1: to everything Sievert did, including the things that were not
- 7:57Speaker 1: on his job description. Bauer had not found Sievert yet.
- 8:02Speaker 1: He had found something else first. He found Fenner. A
- 8:07Speaker 1: data pull on commercial structure fires in the surrounding region
- 8:10Speaker 1: turned up three incidents between 2001 and 2003. All in Fenner.
- 8:17Speaker 2: All commercial. All unoccupied. All insured.
- 8:21Speaker 1: And in each case, the debris removal contract had gone
- 8:25Speaker 1: to a company called Dunmore Excaving, Sievert's company, three fires,
- 8:31Speaker 1: same contractor, smaller city, six years earlier. The pattern did
- 8:35Speaker 1: not prove anything. Insurance investigators understood that correlation was not causation,
- 8:42Speaker 1: and the Fenner fires had been handled and closed without
- 8:45Speaker 1: criminal findings. But Bauer was not building a case yet.
- 8:50Speaker 1: He was building a map And on that map, the
- 8:53Speaker 1: same shape was appearing twice. There is something worth sitting
- 8:58Speaker 1: with in that moment. Not the discovery itself, but the
- 9:02Speaker 1: specific quality of the silence it produces. A coincidence, this
- 9:06Speaker 1: tidy does not feel random. It feels engineered. The Fenner
- 9:11Speaker 1: discovery sharpened the question about Slater's bids. But it also
- 9:15Speaker 1: pointed somewhere Bauer had not yet looked, toward the clock.
- 9:19Speaker 1: The debris removal solicitations for all four Dullard fires had
- 9:23Speaker 1: been issued by Hendrick Mutual Insurance. The timestamps on those
- 9:27Speaker 1: solicitations showed they had gone out within 18 hours.
- 9:31Speaker 2: Of each fire report.
- 9:33Speaker 1: Standard industry practice ran 48 to 72 hours. In three
- 9:38Speaker 1: of the four cases, the solicitations had been issued before
- 9:42Speaker 1: the fire marshal had even classified the cause.
- 9:45Speaker 2: Clean-up bids were being.
- 9:46Speaker 1: Solicited on fires that had not yet been officially ruled accidental.
- 9:51Speaker 1: That is not a clerical error. That is a structural impossibility.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Unless the person issuing the solicitations already knew what the
- 10:01Speaker 1: fire marshal would eventually find. The commercial lines adjuster managing
- 10:06Speaker 1: all four accounts was Rebecca Hoffman. She was 38 years old,
- 10:11Speaker 1: had worked at Hendrick Mutual for nine years, and carried
- 10:15Speaker 1: a portfolio of roughly 60 commercial accounts. By every external measure,
- 10:20Speaker 1: she was thorough and dependable. She had one minor notation
- 10:24Speaker 1: in the state insurance database. An improper file documentation finding,
- 10:30Speaker 1: years earlier, in a jurisdiction that included Fenner. The notation
- 10:34Speaker 1: was minor. It was the kind of thing that could
- 10:37Speaker 1: be overlooked in a routine review. Bauer did not overlook it.
- 10:41Speaker 1: The breakthrough did not arrive as a revelation.
- 10:44Speaker 2: It arrived as a number.
- 10:46Speaker 1: Bauer requested the full bid submission records for all four contracts.
- 10:51Speaker 1: He was looking at timestamps, comparing submission windows against access logs.
- 10:56Speaker 1: When something in the Olin Road file stopped him, Slater
- 11:00Speaker 1: had submitted at 2.17 in the afternoon on a Tuesday.
- 11:04Speaker 1: The solicitation had opened 30 hours before that, but the
- 11:08Speaker 1: fire marshal's tape had not been lifted until 40 hours
- 11:12Speaker 1: after submission. No contractor by rule could have taken interior
- 11:17Speaker 1: measurements before that tape came down. Slater's numbers were accurate
- 11:22Speaker 1: to within 2%. That was the number that kept returning.
- 11:26Speaker 1: The question of how was already answered, structurally. Sievert had
- 11:30Speaker 1: been inside each building weeks earlier, during the free assessments.
- 11:34Speaker 1: He had the measurements. He had the photographs. He had
- 11:37Speaker 1: walked every floor. When the building burned, the bid was
- 11:41Speaker 1: not a guess.
- 11:42Speaker 2: It was a recall.
- 11:44Speaker 1: But that only explained how Slater could bid so precisely.
- 11:48Speaker 2: It did not explain the timing. Eighteen hours.
- 11:52Speaker 1: Hoffman was issuing solicitations. Eighteen hours after fire reports, before
- 11:58Speaker 1: cause was classified.
- 11:59Speaker 2: In every case.
- 12:01Speaker 1: That meant she was not waiting for the fire marshal.
- 12:03Speaker 1: She was not waiting for standard process. She was moving
- 12:07Speaker 1: on a signal that came from somewhere outside normal procedure.
- 12:11Speaker 1: Bauer requested Hoffman's internal communications from Hendrick Mutual's compliance office.
- 12:17Speaker 1: The request was routine in form and extraordinary in implication.
- 12:22Speaker 1: When the records came back, he found what he had
- 12:25Speaker 1: suspected and something he had not expected. The communications were clean,
- 12:31Speaker 1: too clean. There were no direct messages between Hoffman and
- 12:34Speaker 1: Slater in the company system. No calls logged on her
- 12:38Speaker 1: office line to Slater Site Services. Nothing that connected them
- 12:43Speaker 1: on paper inside the company's walls. But the solicitations had
- 12:47Speaker 1: still gone out 18 hours early. Three times before cause classification.
- 12:54Speaker 1: Something was moving the clock, and it was not leaving
- 12:57Speaker 1: a trace inside the building. It was leaving a trace
- 13:00Speaker 1: in a parking lot. Investigators obtained cell phone location data
- 13:05Speaker 1: as part of a broader warrant. Sievert's phone placed him
- 13:08Speaker 1: near each of the four fire sites on the night
- 13:11Speaker 1: of each blaze. not in the neighborhood, near the site,
- 13:15Speaker 1: within a block, for intervals consistent with the timeline of
- 13:20Speaker 1: each fire. And Hoffman's phone, on three separate occasions in
- 13:24Speaker 1: the months preceding the Szymanski fire, placed her in the
- 13:28Speaker 1: surface lot behind the Hendrick Mutual office building between 7.
- 13:32Speaker 2: And 8 in the morning. Her vehicle was there. Her
- 13:35Speaker 2: phone was there.
- 13:37Speaker 1: And according to what she would later tell investigators during
- 13:39Speaker 1: four months of cooperations, An envelope was there, plain white,
- 13:45Speaker 1: left in her unlocked glove compartment. $ 3, 000 in cash per contract.
- 13:50Speaker 1: She said she had not known, at first, that the
- 13:53Speaker 1: fires were deliberate. By the time of the Brecket Avenue fire,
- 13:58Speaker 1: the second confirmed arson.
- 14:00Speaker 2: She said she understood.
- 14:03Speaker 1: She continued anyway. She told investigators she had rationalized that
- 14:07Speaker 1: the buildings were going to be torn down eventually. that
- 14:10Speaker 1: the payout went to insureds who were already holding worthless properties,
- 14:14Speaker 1: she said. She believed that for approximately six months. Then
- 14:19Speaker 1: she stopped believing it, and she kept doing it. That
- 14:22Speaker 1: is not a detail to move past quickly. Picture the
- 14:26Speaker 1: Brecket Avenue textile plant. The morning after that fire. Walk
- 14:31Speaker 1: the perimeter. The structure is gutted but standing wet from suppression.
- 14:36Speaker 1: Smelling of accelerant and soaked insulation. There is a yellow
- 14:40Speaker 1: surveyor's flag planted near the rear wall, clean, upright, wire-staked
- 14:46Speaker 1: perpendicular in the ash. The flag had been planted after
- 14:50Speaker 1: the blaze, not before. Sievert's pattern at every site was
- 14:55Speaker 1: to return at dawn, before the scene was released, and
- 14:58Speaker 1: place markers as if beginning preliminary survey work. It was
- 15:03Speaker 1: cover for his having been there at all during the fire.
- 15:06Speaker 1: If anyone asked, he was doing early assessments, he had
- 15:10Speaker 1: a legitimate reason to be near every building he had burned.
- 15:14Speaker 1: Now picture the Ellen Road machine shop bid, landing on
- 15:18Speaker 1: the solicitation portal at.
- 15:21Speaker 2: 2.17 on a Tuesday.
- 15:22Speaker 1: 30 hours after opening, 40 hours before legal access, numbers
- 15:28Speaker 1: accurate to within 2%. One explanation existed for that accuracy.
- 15:35Speaker 1: The ledger was never recovered. Both images pointed at the
- 15:38Speaker 1: same man. the flag in the bid. And for months
- 15:42Speaker 1: during the investigation, investigators were building toward a single theory
- 15:47Speaker 1: that Slater had known about the fires in advance, had
- 15:50Speaker 1: directed Sievert to set them, and that Hoffman had been
- 15:53Speaker 1: recruited as the mechanism inside the insurance process. That version
- 15:58Speaker 1: was coherent. It was well supported.
- 16:01Speaker 2: It had the.
- 16:02Speaker 1: Timestamps, the flag, the thinner pattern, the cash. Everything pointed
- 16:08Speaker 1: to a simple top-down operation. Slater at the center, giving orders,
- 16:13Speaker 1: running his crew. Then Slater talked.
- 16:17Speaker 2: In 2015, four.
- 16:19Speaker 1: Years after his conviction, Slater gave a full confession to
- 16:23Speaker 1: a journalist, and the picture he described was not a
- 16:26Speaker 1: boss directing subordinates. It was something more uncomfortable. He said
- 16:31Speaker 1: the operation had started as opportunism. A fire happened. He
- 16:35Speaker 1: found himself in position to bid. And the thought arrived
- 16:38Speaker 1: before the ethics did. He said that by the time
- 16:42Speaker 1: Sievert came on, Sievert already knew how to set fires.
- 16:46Speaker 1: Slater had not taught him. He had hired him because
- 16:50Speaker 1: of what Sievert already knew, which meant the Fenner fires
- 16:53Speaker 1: were not a coincidence on the map. They were Sievert's resume.
- 16:57Speaker 1: Slater had not built the machine. He had recognized it
- 17:01Speaker 1: in another person and hired it. That reframes the flag entirely.
- 17:07Speaker 1: The flag was not Slater's system. It was Sievert's habit,
- 17:11Speaker 1: a method developed over years before Dellard, before Slater, on
- 17:16Speaker 1: three commercial buildings in a smaller city that no one
- 17:19Speaker 1: had connected until Bauer found the pattern in a regional database.
- 17:24Speaker 1: The flag was not evidence of a plan Slater designed.
- 17:27Speaker 1: It was evidence of a practice Sievert had already refined.
- 17:31Speaker 1: The clean, perpendicular flag in the Szymanski Ash. was not
- 17:36Speaker 1: the mark of a conspiracy. It was the signature of
- 17:39Speaker 1: a professional. And it had been there in some form
- 17:43Speaker 1: since Fenner. The trials opened in the spring of 2011.
- 17:48Speaker 1: Slater and Sievert were tried together. The prosecution built its
- 17:54Speaker 1: case in three layers. Hoffman's testimony about the solicitation timestamps
- 17:59Speaker 1: and the cash envelopes the bid records showing Slater's measurements
- 18:03Speaker 1: before legal access. and the cell phone data placing Sievert
- 18:07Speaker 1: near each fire site on each night of each blaze.
- 18:11Speaker 1: Sievert said nothing. He declined to testify. He has never
- 18:16Speaker 1: spoken publicly before or since. The jury convicted both men
- 18:21Speaker 1: on all counts. Slater received 14 years. Sievert received 19.
- 18:27Speaker 1: The additional five accounted for by three separate findings tied
- 18:31Speaker 1: to the Fenner fires. which prosecutors had folded into the
- 18:34Speaker 1: racketeering charge. The Fenner buildings were from a different city,
- 18:39Speaker 1: a different era, a different name on the excavating company.
- 18:43Speaker 1: But the pattern was the same. The flag was the same.
- 18:47Speaker 1: The jury found that evidence sufficient. Hoffman was sentenced separately.
- 18:52Speaker 1: She had cooperated for four months, sat with investigators, walked
- 18:57Speaker 1: them through the timestamp sequence. and testified for the prosecution
- 19:01Speaker 1: at trial. She received no prison time, two years of
- 19:05Speaker 1: supervised probation. Her insurance license was permanently revoked. She relocated
- 19:11Speaker 1: out of state. She has not spoken publicly since the
- 19:14Speaker 1: case closed. The Szymanski site was cleared by a different company.
- 19:19Speaker 1: It is a surface parking lot now. The yellow surveyor's
- 19:23Speaker 1: flag was entered into evidence, photographed from six angles. and
- 19:28Speaker 1: transported to the Dellard Police Evidence Facility on Mercer Drive.
- 19:33Speaker 1: It is still there, still clean, still perpendicular. Slater's appeal
- 19:39Speaker 1: was denied in 2013. In 2015, he gave his full
- 19:45Speaker 1: confession to a journalist. He described the operation not as
- 19:49Speaker 1: a blueprint he had drawn, but as a current he
- 19:52Speaker 1: had stepped into, and kept stepping into, he said. The
- 19:56Speaker 1: cash envelopes to Hoffman felt like a business expense by
- 20:00Speaker 1: the end. He said what he missed most in prison
- 20:03Speaker 1: was coaching his son's baseball team. That last detail is
- 20:07Speaker 1: not incidental. is the shape of how ordinary this all
- 20:11Speaker 1: looked from the inside. A man who thought of arson
- 20:14Speaker 1: proceeds as a line item and thought of a Tuesday
- 20:18Speaker 1: afternoon baseball practice as the thing worth mourning. Both things
- 20:23Speaker 1: were true at once. Scott Bauer closed the case file
- 20:27Speaker 1: in late 2011. He remained with the Dillard Organized Crime Unit.
- 20:33Speaker 1: Gordon Brooks, who made the call at 7.42 in the morning,
- 20:38Speaker 1: On July 9th, 2009, was never called to testify. The
- 20:44Speaker 1: flag was found.
- 20:45Speaker 2: That was enough.
- 20:47Speaker 1: The case has been filed under fraud, conspiracy, and negligence, simultaneously,
- 20:53Speaker 1: satisfying none of them completely. No one was inside any
- 20:57Speaker 1: of those buildings. The fires burned through brick and timber
- 21:00Speaker 1: and inventory, not through people. Every building was already emptied,
- 21:05Speaker 1: already failed, already waiting for the wrecking ball. That is
- 21:08Speaker 1: the rationalation Hoffman used. The buildings were going to come
- 21:12Speaker 1: down anyway. She was not entirely wrong about the buildings.
- 21:17Speaker 1: She was entirely wrong about everything else. What the racket
- 21:21Speaker 1: consumed was not property. It was the ordinary trust that
- 21:25Speaker 1: holds a system upright. An adjuster who processes claims fairly
- 21:29Speaker 1: a contractor who measures a site only after he has
- 21:33Speaker 1: earned the right. An insurance process that runs on timeline
- 21:37Speaker 1: integrity rather than cash in a glove compartment. Four buildings
- 21:42Speaker 1: became fuel. The trust was the actual wreckage. The flag
- 21:46Speaker 1: endures as the strangest artifact of all of it.
- 21:50Speaker 2: A clean yellow marker. Wire stakes straight in the ground.
- 21:54Speaker 1: Three feet from a collapsed wall. Ash on every surface
- 21:57Speaker 1: around it. And nothing on it at all. It was
- 22:01Speaker 1: Sievert's habit. A practice he had carried from Fenner to Dellard,
- 22:05Speaker 1: like a tool he did not think to put down.
- 22:09Speaker 1: It did not help him. It identified him. There is
- 22:12Speaker 1: a version of this case where the flag is never noticed.
- 22:16Speaker 1: Gordon Brooks walks a different street that morning. The flag
- 22:19Speaker 1: is buried under the debris when the wall comes down.
- 22:23Speaker 1: Bauer never gets the call. The Szymanski contract goes to Slater,
- 22:28Speaker 1: like the three before him. and the next building is
- 22:32Speaker 1: already on a list somewhere. That version almost happened. The
- 22:37Speaker 1: margin between it and what actually occurred was one man
- 22:43Speaker 1: walking to church at 7.42 in the morning and finding
- 22:47Speaker 1: something in the ash that should not have been clean.
- 22:51Speaker 1: The flag is still at Mercer Drive. The case is closed.
- 22:56Speaker 1: The buildings are gone, and somewhere in a smaller city
- 22:59Speaker 1: to the north, There are three other sites where the
- 23:01Speaker 1: same marker once stood, where the same method was practiced,
- 23:05Speaker 1: where no one found it in time.
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