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#145 - Wes Huff Goes Scorched Earth Against Catholic Claims · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  So Wes Huff just went scorched earth on defending the Protestant view of scripture, the Bible.
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  He just gave a response yesterday to what he believes is why we have the Bible
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  and what authority do we have?
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  What determined the authority of the Bible? Was it the church or was it the Bible itself?
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  All right, let's dive into this. I want to show a couple of clips from that
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  video that Wes just gave out. It was very good.
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  I wouldn't call myself a Protestant. I wouldn't call myself a Catholic.
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  I'm kind of like just the outside guy myself, and I don't know if anybody else is out there.
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  I don't align completely with Protestantism, or I believe in a lot of things
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  that Catholics believe. I believe in a lot of things that Orthodox believe.
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  I'm kind of out there. The closest thing that I could say about myself is the
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  viewpoint of Messianic Judaism, if you're familiar with that phraseology at all.
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  So just to kind of give you a point of where I am and coming at this because
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  I agree with a lot of what Wes says in this video, but I'm still not completely
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  everything I agree with him as any Christian. No Christian believes the exact same thing.
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  You know, we have varying opinions about a lot of different things.
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  But let's actually take a look at this. Him, given his defense of where the
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  authority of Scripture came from. I accept the Bible.
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  Am I really accepting the authority of the church, even if I don't admit it?
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  No. And let me explain why. The church is not the origin of scripture.
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  God is. When I say that scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith and practice
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  for the church, what I'm making there is a statement on the origin of scripture.
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  The origin of scripture is divine.
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  And to a degree, the Roman Catholic position can agree with the origin statement,
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  although clearly disagreeing with that being the sole infallible rule.
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  In insofar as Vatican I states that these books the Church holds to be sacred
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  and canonical, not because she subsequently approved them by her authority,
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  but because being written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,
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  they have God as their author and were as much committed to the Church.
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  The early church did not invent.
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  Okay, so just starting off the bat, I know because I just saw a video the other
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  week on Friday. It was actually really good with Tim Pool.
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  He had a guy from Protestantism, a guy from Orthodox, a guy from Roman Catholicism
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  all getting into a room and just debating and just hashing it out.
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  And it turned me off. If I wasn't a Christian going into that and seeing that,
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  I don't think I would become a Christian just listening to that.
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  Just the arguments and some of the vitriol against just within,
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  and I don't know that they agree that everybody's within the church,
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  you know, because they're coming from different viewpoints and they just see,
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  oh, Protestants are just disillusioned brethren.
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  You know, they are outside the framework, but God's going to kind of save them through his grace.
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  I don't think when Jesus was on earth, he was creating something and saying,
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  I hope you become a Roman Catholic, or I hope you become Protestant.
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  Or I hope you become Orthodox because, you know, that is the what started it
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  all. And that's what's going to continue.
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  I think there's elements of that. I think people are just fallen and sinful. And we disagree.
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  We disagree over sometimes stupid issues, sometimes big issues.
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  But but Wes's point in all of this is he's defending sola scriptura,
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  saying the Bible is its authority because it's the Bible.
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  It's recognized as the Bible because God breathed it out. It's self-evident.
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  It's not that it needed the stamp of approval of the church,
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  but the church just recognized it.
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  And I would agree with that, that the 66 books of the Bible are what is God
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  breathed, the inspired word of God.
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  Now we get into the, I kind of, I'm curious about the book of Enoch and all that.
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  And I think a lot of, there's a lot of scriptures out there that aren't God
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  said it's written, you know, and we have it from his mouth to us.
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  I think about the book of Enoch, is there elements of that that could have been inspired?
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  Because even if you get into the Apocrypha and all those other books that the
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  Roman Catholics have in their Bible, I would say there's a lot of good stuff in there.
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  And just, it's like, that's why they would even categorize it as it's the deuterocanonical.
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  It's not like the canonical, but it's the deuterocanonical words of God.
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  So there's so much disagreement of this, but I think we all agree that the 66
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  books are the inspired word of God.
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  But I want to continue on what Wes kind of, what he gives in his description of these things.
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  The early church got the canonization process right, not because they're infallible,
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  but because we can trust the Holy Spirit in his act of leading and because God's
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  word is self-authenticating.
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  Even Roman Catholicism, which holds to holy tradition as infallible,
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  has no formal infallible list of infallible traditions.
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  There is no reference source. A modern Roman Catholic can cite or source from,
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  say, the Vatican or a church council somewhere that infallibly lists the infallible
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  traditions that all Roman Catholics must adhere to. But neither of us need such a source.
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  I can say that 2 plus 2 is 4 not because I'm infallible, but because I have
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  a reasonable confidence to ground the truth of that statement in.
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  And even more so, I can ground the truth of the statement that the early church
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  got the right books within the canon of scripture,
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  both due to reasonable confidence and due to the theological reality that I
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  trust the Holy Spirit's guidance for them to do so. Okay.
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  So right there, there is so much there. The way that we all came,
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  the early church described and said, this is the books of the Bible.
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  This is because there was so much disagreement early on of what can make it,
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  what can make the canon of scripture and that we all came together,
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  that we were all in one place and put it together.
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  It wasn't that they had it all together and that, that they're the reason that
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  it got its authority, but solely because they understood it.
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  If you read the Bible compared to anything else, even like the Deuterocanonical
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  books, like the Apocrypha and even parts of Enoch are like, cause there's the
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  difference between Enoch, when
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  you get into first Enoch and then the other Enochs that are out there.
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  That's a whole thing in itself, you know, and that could be pushed aside a little
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  bit, but just the 66 books of the Bible compared to the Apocrypha and what was
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  assumed is God's breathed word, it is self-evident.
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  If you read one compared to the other, you understand, you hear your father's
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  voice by reading the Bible.
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  You hear those 66 books of the Bible. That's why in 1 John, it talks about you
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  have the spirit of truth in you. You do not need someone else to teach you.
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  The spirit of truth is going to lead you into all truth.
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  But where I could kind of disagree with the Protestant viewpoint is the authority aspect,
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  the authority aspect that Roman Catholicism, I believe, has it correct in a
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  lot of ways, the authority part, because that is what is throughout the Old
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  Testament where the Jews.
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  Difference is the Jews got it right. They're the ones that were given the ministerial
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  duty to rightly interpret the scriptures.
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  That's why they created the oral traditions and all that too.
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  And that was given to the apostles. The apostles were the Jews.
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  They are the select nation that has the right authority to interpret the scriptures.
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  Now we're just in this messed up issue, this messed up situation where Christians,
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  which is primarily Gentile, has the Christ. We have Jesus. We have the Messiah.
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  And he's like, there's a blindness over the nation of Israel right now.
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  And they're the ones that have really the authority to rightly interpret things.
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  It's this schism that has happened between Gentile and Jews.
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  That's why I think that the Gentile church, primarily Gentiles,
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  just got the gospel and they ran with it and were doing the best that we can.
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  But because we have just kind of blocked off the Jewish nation in a lot of ways,
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  we don't make it easy for them to embrace Christ in a lot of ways.
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  In a lot of ways, the traditions we do, and it just, we have Jesus painted up
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  in all this garb that doesn't look Jewish.
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  It doesn't fit with what they expected the Messiah to be.
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  And I know that there was a high disagreement early on, you know,
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  and of the Jewish people were so against Christians, you know,
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  and Gentile people were so against Jews because we just said,
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  oh, they are the ones that killed Christ.
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  We're the ones that are putting all the blood on their hands. It's all their fault.
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  Rather, when Jesus went to the cross, it was all of us doing that.
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  The Jewish leaders are the ones that put them up there, but the Romans,
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  the Gentiles are the ones that executed them.
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  So I'm just saying, like, I agree with this, like, sola scriptura to a sense,
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  and that those are the primary, those are the books of the Bible,
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  the God-breathed word of God.
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  But the authority aspect is still hanging out there, and I think that Roman
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  Catholics and even Orthodox to an extent are doing the best they can,
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  and they're taking the traditions of what we know God is like and what we know
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  that he gives people authority to rightly interpret things, to make judgments over things.
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  I just think that we are kind of, we're doing the best we can,
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  but we're not the ones that have the authority.
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  The Jewish nation is the ones that has the authority. That's their word of God.
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  Gentiles are the ones being grafted in.
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  That's why I kind of agree with the Messianic Judaism for all nations.
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  If you are familiar with that, it's the first fruits of Zion kind of viewpoint.
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  But even I don't even agree with everything of that. It's I know it's it becomes
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  like this buffet kind of Christianity. I like this. I don't like that.
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  I get that. But I don't think anyone has it all correct.
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  I think the only thing that does have it all correct is the 66 books of the
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  Bible that we have, you know, and I think is once the Jewish nation kind of
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  gets their eyes get open to their Messiah has come.
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  I think that is when things are going to come together.
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  We're going to rightly understand so many things that are hidden from our eyes
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  in the Bible that don't make sense and that we kind of just try to explain,
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  but we really don't know what the heck we're doing.
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  All right. So if you've enjoyed this video, hit this link and I will see you on the other side.