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OJ Simpson: Coming soon to a golf course near you? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The O. J. Simpson murder case was the first true
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Speaker 1: reality show for the country. He killed her because he
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Speaker 1: couldn't have This is carn Stories with Nancy Grace. That
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Speaker 1: trail of blood from Bundy, through his own freud Bronco
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Speaker 1: and into his house in Rockingham, his devastating proof of
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Speaker 1: his guilt. Poorly trained personnel from l A. P d
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Speaker 1: Has contaminated, compromise and correctly any of it is in
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Speaker 1: this case. After more than seven months of relentless publicity,
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Speaker 1: the double murder trial of O. J. Simpson will unfold
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Speaker 1: before the only people who really count in deciding his faith.
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Speaker 1: The jury. We the jury in the inbuff entitle action
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Speaker 1: find a defendient or prenthology. Simpson not guilty of the
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Speaker 1: crime of murder and violation of Peano fult Section A
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Speaker 1: ability upon the Coral Brown Simpson a human being as
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Speaker 1: charged and count one of the information to people. A
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Speaker 1: beautiful woman and a young man dead in the driveway,
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Speaker 1: the woman nearly decapitated, her head still attached to her
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Speaker 1: neck by the thin skin behind the neckbone. Yes, I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown. Because even now
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Speaker 1: it's not over. O J. Simpson is set to walk
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Speaker 1: free on parole. Yes. O J. Simpson is set to
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Speaker 1: be released as early as October. What in the hey,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. I Nancy Grayson. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. And with me of
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Speaker 1: course is Alan Duke, but special guests joining me is
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Speaker 1: Jim Murray. Jim, please help me. You and I covered
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Speaker 1: the O. J. Simpson case like nobody's business, and I
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Speaker 1: was miserable when the jury did not convict him of
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Speaker 1: double murder. Then years later I remember saying, Jim, and
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Speaker 1: I think I said it to you. Don't worry. He'll
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Speaker 1: turn back up like a bad penny. Sure enough he did.
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Speaker 1: What is this business about him getting out in October? Well,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, he's in He's in jail right now
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Speaker 1: for a totally unrelated incident, and that's the kidnapping. Uh.
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Speaker 1: It's when he went to Las Vegas, uh for a
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Speaker 1: friend's wedding, found out that some of his memorabilia, which
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Speaker 1: he claimed was his and was stolen, was at a
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Speaker 1: hotel and he went there to get it. His memorability
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Speaker 1: that was sold. That memorabilia, Yeah, that memorabilia. You know.
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Speaker 1: Effectively he had a thirty three million dollar judgment against
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Speaker 1: him for the Boldman family int a wrongful death suit,
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Speaker 1: and he did everything he could to avoid paying anything.
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Speaker 1: And and frankly that memorabilia should have gone dissatisfied that judgment,
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Speaker 1: but he wanted it for himself, and he went with
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Speaker 1: some friends too, have had guns. He was convicted, and
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Speaker 1: and many people believe that the sentence was much greater
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Speaker 1: than it otherwise would have been in Vegas, and it
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Speaker 1: was payback for the non the not guilty verdict in
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Speaker 1: the murder case. Wait a minute, let me understand something.
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Speaker 1: So Jim Murray, three guys come storming into your place,
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Speaker 1: two of them armed, and you don't think he should
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Speaker 1: do his full sentence. I think his sentence was far well,
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Speaker 1: his sentence was far greater than anybody else involved in
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Speaker 1: that case. Everybody else is out of prison. He's not.
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Speaker 1: He got I think thirty years in prison. Yet, Look,
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Speaker 1: I think it was payback. There's no question in my mind.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I want him to walk around free,
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Speaker 1: but I believe it was payback. You and I differ
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Speaker 1: on this because he was the mastermind. The other the
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Speaker 1: others were his minions. He was the mastermind. Orenthal. James
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Speaker 1: Simpson may be released from prison as early as this
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Speaker 1: October after just nine years behind bars on a thirty
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Speaker 1: three year sentence. Now, as you will recall, or Enthal,
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Speaker 1: James Simpson, the star NFL player, walked free on a
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Speaker 1: double murder of his wife, Nicole Brown and friend, a waiter,
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Speaker 1: Ron Goldman. He walked free on that and lived the
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Speaker 1: high life until he just couldn't stop himself. And this
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Speaker 1: has been adjudicated in court. He gets some of his
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Speaker 1: flunkeys and they go into a hotel and they arm
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Speaker 1: rob a guy at gunpoint to take back memorabilia the
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Speaker 1: guy was going to sell, claiming it was his. And
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Speaker 1: now he's whining that he should get out, and he
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Speaker 1: is getting out on good behavior. He was found guilty
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Speaker 1: in two thousand eight of twelve counts of kidnapping, robbery,
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Speaker 1: and assault with a deadly weapon. Was there any doubt
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Speaker 1: that he was the mastermind, Jim Murray, No, But I
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Speaker 1: would also call it the game that couldn't shoot the trade.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't a really well planned executed operation. It was
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Speaker 1: a spur of the moment thing. And and but Nancy,
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Speaker 1: let's just go back to the to the murder king.
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Speaker 1: Hold hold your horses. It was a spur of the moment, amateur.
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Speaker 1: You know what, when you have the wrong end of
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Speaker 1: the gun in your face, it doesn't matter if it's
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Speaker 1: a sharpshooter or an amateur on the other end. You know,
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Speaker 1: it makes a big man little and a little man big.
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Speaker 1: And that's what happened that day. I don't care who's
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Speaker 1: got the gun at my nostril. I want him to
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Speaker 1: go to jail, and I want to live to see
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Speaker 1: the next day. And he did go to jail, and
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Speaker 1: he is in jail. I'm simply telling you he's been
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Speaker 1: in jail. Let me tell you something, Jim, Alright, this
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Speaker 1: ain't the Apple Dumpling gang. Okay, so just stop all
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Speaker 1: that business. Now, what were you going to say. I'm
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Speaker 1: just telling you that he did more time than anybody
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Speaker 1: else involved. I get it, he's the mastermind. I give
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Speaker 1: you that. But I'm still on you that his sentence
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Speaker 1: was far greater than anyone else's. Am I supposed to
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Speaker 1: feel bad about that? No, it's simply it's simply a fact.
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Speaker 1: Same team. He just keeps saying he got more time. Well, fine,
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Speaker 1: he's lived like a kid behind and I and I
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Speaker 1: think I think it was payback because everyone, including the judge,
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Speaker 1: including the prosecutor in Vegas, were angry that O. J.
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Speaker 1: Simpson walked, and I understand the anger. However, I also
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Speaker 1: understand that that murder case was flawed for a number
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Speaker 1: of reasons. I think that they were mistakes. Mand I
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Speaker 1: think that one of the detectives, Mark Furman, just about
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Speaker 1: did that case in. I think that the makeup of
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Speaker 1: the jury, which both sides knew would be, would be
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Speaker 1: partial to O. J. Simpson's side that did the case in.
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Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of problems with the case.
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Speaker 1: We'll see. To me, that case supersedes, it transcends male, female, white, black, Hispanic,
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Speaker 1: inter city outside suburbs. I mean, to me, it was
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Speaker 1: so clear as the nose on your face. And now
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Speaker 1: all the evidence that has come out since the trial.
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Speaker 1: I mean from the Bruno' molly shoes too that he
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Speaker 1: owned that were tracked into Cole Brown and Ron Goldman's blood,
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Speaker 1: to him flunking the polygraph to the tune of a
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Speaker 1: minus forty something, I mean, it just keeps on coming.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, I want to quickly say thank you, not
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Speaker 1: only to Jim Ray for being with us, but too.
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Speaker 1: and my first question is did they have a home
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Speaker 1: alarm system? Why didn't he go off? Did the perpetrator
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Speaker 1: know the code? What happened? What went wrong? And they
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Speaker 1: didn't have one? Now that is anecdotal, but I can
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Speaker 1: you need to keep somebody like O. J. Simpson from
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Speaker 1: breaking into your house with his Apple Dumpling gang like
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Speaker 1: Jim Murray wants me to think they are. This guy
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Speaker 1: took eight hundred items at gunpoint from a Vegas hotel
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Speaker 1: room November two thousand seven, and he's done about nine
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Speaker 1: years behind bars. Don't worry about Simpson. When he gets out,
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Speaker 1: he gets around twenty five thousand dollars a month. That's
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Speaker 1: what some teachers make in a year. Three hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars a year, two point seven million dollars throughout his
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Speaker 1: prison stay. During his prison stay from this NFL pension,
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Speaker 1: I mean, and what about life behind bars? What has
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Speaker 1: it been like for Simpson Jim Murray. First of all,
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Speaker 1: I need simply safe. If I'm going to do this
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Speaker 1: podcast because I need protection from you, I'm sorry, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna lay off. It's just that, you know. Let me
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Speaker 1: just I just keep remember those crime scene photos. I
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Speaker 1: just keep it, and that photo of Nicole Brown's battered
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Speaker 1: face all beating up where everybody would turn the other
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Speaker 1: I turn away because he's an NFL star alone, keep
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Speaker 1: beating her, Nancy, I was. I was among a small
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Speaker 1: group of reporters who unfortunately, were invited to see the
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Speaker 1: autopsy photos. And they were life sized photos shown to
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Speaker 1: the jurors. And I'll tell you something, things I wish
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Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them. They were horrific. The way you
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Speaker 1: describe Nicole, you can't even in words portray the horror
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Speaker 1: that these pictures did. Um. Look, I feel the same
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Speaker 1: outrage you do. You know, sound out right when you
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Speaker 1: talk about well, because I've had twenty two years to
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Speaker 1: reflect on this, and and when I think about the
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Speaker 1: two years to get mad about it, sounds horrible. No, no, no, Well,
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Speaker 1: I I'm resigned to the fact that it happened, and
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Speaker 1: my my goal is to understand why it happened and
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Speaker 1: to see what do you do if and when another
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Speaker 1: case like this comes along, because you can't undo this case,
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Speaker 1: but you can learn from it. But but you are passionate,
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Speaker 1: and I respect that. He will need to win over
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Speaker 1: four of seven commissioners at his parole hearing, and that
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Speaker 1: will probably take place this summer. He will receive a
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Speaker 1: certain number of quote points in order to get out. Now,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Jim, I never really understand
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Speaker 1: how anything happens in California, Okay, because it's um let
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Speaker 1: me just say, euphemistically, unlike any other criminal justice system
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Speaker 1: in the Union. Let me understand this. So could it
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Speaker 1: be like Manson and Manson's followers, they keep coming up
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Speaker 1: for parole and they never get it. Could that happen?
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Speaker 1: Could he not get it? Well? Yes, and his his
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Speaker 1: parole hearing will actually be just outside of Vegas because
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Speaker 1: he's in the Nevada jail of Nevada prison. But look,
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Speaker 1: he's he's had exact You're right. I'm sorry. I was
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Speaker 1: conceived just for a moment there. I was thinking about
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Speaker 1: the murder versus Vegas, and that's where the outrage occurred,
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Speaker 1: really in California. And and and you know, he has
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Speaker 1: shown good behavior. He supervises the men's jim in prison,
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Speaker 1: his sister goes to visit him, he does what he supervised. Way,
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Speaker 1: he supervises the men's gym. Yes, because this man has
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Speaker 1: not been working out. He has not been working out well.
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Speaker 1: His sister says, he's he's within a few pounds of
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Speaker 1: his weight when he got in when nine years ago,
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Speaker 1: and he's in pretty good since now. She says, I
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Speaker 1: have not seen the photo of them recently, but the
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Speaker 1: last time I saw him, he didn't look too great.
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Speaker 1: And then there was the girlfriend, remember her, She being
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Speaker 1: beaten up and would make all these excuses so I
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Speaker 1: fell down, this, that and the other thing. You know,
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Speaker 1: she never had any of those accents before she got
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Speaker 1: slung up with Simpson. Well, and don't forget Nicole Brown.
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Speaker 1: Simpson called the police more than eight times, and they
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Speaker 1: were called to their home and he was never arrested,
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Speaker 1: so you know, the outrage has to extend to that
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Speaker 1: as well. Now, what, if anything, if any role does
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Speaker 1: this last documentary o J made in America and the
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Speaker 1: mini series The People The o J. Simpson, you know
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Speaker 1: with Cuba Gooding. Yeah, in any way, do you think
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Speaker 1: that that is affecting this because you know, it just
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Speaker 1: won awards. I know, it's it's interesting, It's it's fascinating
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Speaker 1: how how the people who portray O J. Simpson and
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Speaker 1: and all of these supporting characters become almost folk heroes,
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Speaker 1: and and yet it was such a really horrific crime,
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Speaker 1: and and and it really captivated America in the worst
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Speaker 1: sort of way. I was frankly surprised that the FX
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Speaker 1: series did so well. I thought no one cared about
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Speaker 1: O J. Simpson, and apparently the mania is still very
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Speaker 1: much alive and kicking. The documentary I thought was great
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Speaker 1: because it really showed the background of who he was
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Speaker 1: and how how huge he was in sports, but how
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Speaker 1: he was divorced from the struggles of any African Americans
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Speaker 1: in the inner city, how he was not living that life,
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Speaker 1: not supportive of that, and really focused on one person,
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Speaker 1: O J. Simpson, and I think that came through I
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Speaker 1: hope it doesn't a fact the parole hearing, because frankly,
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Speaker 1: I don't think it should. Let me tell you a story.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you a true story. You know. Um
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Speaker 1: I had was working as a county prosecutor in inner
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Speaker 1: City Atlanta, trying nothing but violent felonies when Simpson happened,
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Speaker 1: and through a fluke, no resume, no demo, real nothing,
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Speaker 1: I ended up being invited to co host with Johnny Cochrane.
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Speaker 1: Remember at first, yeah, And at first I actually said no.
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Speaker 1: I had no intention of leaving prosecution to go beyond TV.
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Speaker 1: But my elected district attorney, the longest serving in the
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Speaker 1: country at that time, decided to finally retire, and I
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Speaker 1: knew the newly elected DA would fire all the top litigators.
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Speaker 1: So I'm like, sure, here I come. And I moved
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Speaker 1: to New York with two boxes of clothes, curling iron,
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Speaker 1: and three hundred dollars. What could go wrong? So I
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Speaker 1: moved to New York and many times I would ask
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Speaker 1: it over and overthinking he'd give me a different answer,
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Speaker 1: But I'd say, Cochrane, did Simpson do it? Just Just
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Speaker 1: tell me. Every time he kind of like raised his
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Speaker 1: hands up and have a little smile. He go, jury
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Speaker 1: acquitted him. That's all he would say. He would never
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Speaker 1: say oh h G double well, no he didn't do it,
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Speaker 1: just said jury acquitted him. But you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: you you knew Johnny very well. There you have it.
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Speaker 1: I met Johnny Cochrane when I was twenty six. I
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Speaker 1: was a young reporter in Los Angeles, and he was
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Speaker 1: so gracious to me. Actually, every time I've ever seen
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Speaker 1: him since he was he was a very decent, honorable man.
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Speaker 1: I I wonder if he made a deal with the
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Speaker 1: devil when he took that case, because it just well,
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Speaker 1: I tell you, his wife is just the sweetest lady
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Speaker 1: and super smart. Johnny Cochrane's wife, and um, she's a
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Speaker 1: business person, a very very good business and you know,
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Speaker 1: his children super nice and um this the Simpson thing.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Everybody is seemingly been cursed by Simpson.
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Speaker 1: So how has Simpson avoided paying this thirty three point
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Speaker 1: five million dollar civil order? I know through a variety
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Speaker 1: of means. For instance, he moved to Florida because in
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Speaker 1: Florida there is a law that blocks any forced sale
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Speaker 1: of a residence through a lawsuit so we can hold
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Speaker 1: on to his mansion in Florida. I don't think a
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Speaker 1: creditor can attach or get ahold of a garnish a pension.
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Speaker 1: And he's got this huge pension of grand a year
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Speaker 1: a month and nobody can get it. But then all
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Speaker 1: that memorabilia of his over all the years, you know, jerseys, Heisman, rings,
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Speaker 1: blah blah, all that that could be sold to satisfy
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Speaker 1: the thirty three million, but never has happened. I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you what what will make you even more angry when
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Speaker 1: he was in I don't want to stroke out while
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Speaker 1: the children are still just nine years old, okay, because
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Speaker 1: you know I'll tell you why. Wait, wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: let me tell you why I don't want to stroke
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Speaker 1: out right now over Simpson, because my children are only
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Speaker 1: nine and I don't want me to go get buried,
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Speaker 1: you know, back home and making Georgia and my husband
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Speaker 1: run out and you know, marry some tramp and then
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Speaker 1: she raises my children in wonderful woman who cares for
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Speaker 1: him just as much as you. Nancy, that's a yeah,
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Speaker 1: but what about my children? She can love him all
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Speaker 1: she wants to, but nobody's gonna Hey, you know you
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Speaker 1: are going to get in trouble because nobody's gonna love
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Speaker 1: more than mommy. Okay, so why can I stroke out
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Speaker 1: about O? J. Simpson? But okay, what were you saying
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Speaker 1: every single day that he was in custody during that trial?
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Speaker 1: There were footballs and pictures and various items of memorabilia
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Speaker 1: that he would sign to generate income while he was
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Speaker 1: in custody. I hear silence, which is never good from you.
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Speaker 1: Oh that is so painful. Okay, how much are we
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Speaker 1: talking about? How much do you think that he We're
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Speaker 1: talking about hundreds of thousands, if not more so every
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Speaker 1: day every day. Yes, like a like a like a
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Speaker 1: like a machine, just stacks and stacks of photos and
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Speaker 1: name it. And they were all sold like a machine. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, I don't want you to stroke ount. Take
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Speaker 1: a deep breath and just know that hurts me so much.
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Speaker 1: All that money should go to the victim's family. Okay,
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Speaker 1: what was his life like? What was his life light
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Speaker 1: behind bars? Look, I don't think it's it's great by
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Speaker 1: our standards. I think he's made the best of it.
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Speaker 1: I think that his life before he went behind bars, frankly,
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Speaker 1: was was over life as he knew it, because he
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Speaker 1: was a pariah after the case, after the murder case,
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Speaker 1: I was. I was at the dance recital the day
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Speaker 1: of the murders because both of our daughters were in
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Speaker 1: the same dance class. And and I see him. I
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Speaker 1: saw him that year, and I saw him the year before.
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Speaker 1: And he was a hero before these murders. People loved him,
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Speaker 1: they worshiped him, and he lived for that. So when
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Speaker 1: he became a pariah, life as he knew it was over.
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Speaker 1: So regardless, yes, I agree he should he should not
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Speaker 1: have the memorability, you shouldn't have the money. But he
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Speaker 1: missed the one thing that he craved the most, and
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Speaker 1: that's the adulation, fame, the freedom to go anywhere, anytime
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Speaker 1: and be loved. That's over and it will always be over.
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Speaker 1: I think so. Uh And and frankly it does. It
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Speaker 1: pales in comparison to what the victims paid. They paid
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Speaker 1: with their lives. I get it. But he suffered, not
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Speaker 1: not enough, I agree, But he suffered. And I also
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Speaker 1: think that he has a good chance of getting out
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Speaker 1: when he's up for parole on this here to excuse me,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, excuse me to quote Lego Batman, I hate
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Speaker 1: everything you just said. Okay, I don't want to hear
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Speaker 1: how he how he's been through so much because I'm
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Speaker 1: just not working for me. Now, let's talk about his
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Speaker 1: life behind bars, Fitch, I've been dressed down by Lego,
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about his life behind prisoner one zero,
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Speaker 1: two seven, eight to zero. Yes, I have memorized it.
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Speaker 1: That was one zero to zero. Is treated like royalty
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Speaker 1: behind bars at love Lock in Nevada. He gets in
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Speaker 1: the same blue uniform, has a bunk bed, has a sink,
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Speaker 1: and a cell mate. He gets up at six thirty
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Speaker 1: like everybody else. He has cold cereal with a muffining fruit.
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Speaker 1: Then he heads to his work shift. He hangs out
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Speaker 1: at the prison gym, getting other people to do his work.
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Speaker 1: But that's where the similarity ends. Okay, so many perks
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Speaker 1: he has had behind bars. He has been able to
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Speaker 1: pay people to clean his room, he has been able
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Speaker 1: to pay for special meals. He has had extra visitation.
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Speaker 1: He watches sports in his TV on his TV in
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Speaker 1: his cell, he watches sport courts religiously. He gets visits
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Speaker 1: from a former manager. He has very few limits of
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Speaker 1: what he can view. I mean, it goes on and
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Speaker 1: on and on. I mean to basically pay to have
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Speaker 1: a butler behind bars, thoughts sounds like a nice retirement home.
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Speaker 1: Come on, and you guys are acting like he's been
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Speaker 1: through so much. I know, Jim, What if O J
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Speaker 1: calls you and says, meet me and Brentwood, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: play golf. And this is after he gets out of prison.
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Speaker 1: Would you go play golf with him? No? No, but
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Speaker 1: I would love to interview him. Of course, I really
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Speaker 1: would love to interview him. And if that interview just
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Speaker 1: happened to take place on a gospel if that interview
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Speaker 1: just happened to take place on a golf course, I
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Speaker 1: would watch. I would interview, no problem with that. I
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Speaker 1: like interviewing people in a setting that makes them feel
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Speaker 1: comfortable because they tend to open up. Where do you well?
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Speaker 1: Of course he's going to go back to Florida. Nancy, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: are you telling me you would not want an interview
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Speaker 1: O Jason? Honestly, Hey, with a golf club in her hand,
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Speaker 1: and at my eighty four year old judge, he would
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Speaker 1: tell the jury, it is your duty to make all
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Speaker 1: witnesses speak the truth, and and and perjury on no onah.
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Speaker 1: In other words, both of the things you just sick
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Speaker 1: can be true. But I want to interview him. No,
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Speaker 1: he is a murderer and he has walked free. And
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Speaker 1: not only has he killed two innocent people, he also
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Speaker 1: abused Lady Justice by laughing in her face after walking
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Speaker 1: free on a double murder, committing other crimes such as
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Speaker 1: beating his girlfriend horrifically, and then this armed robbery in Nevada.
23:43
Speaker 1: He spit in her face. So no, I would not
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Speaker 1: interview him. Would I do it? Yes? Of course, knowing
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Speaker 1: everything he would say would be a big fat lie.
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Speaker 1: But he has not been suffering in prison. I can
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Speaker 1: tell you that he eats like a horse, he exercises,
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Speaker 1: he's got a flat screen TV. Okay, I don't have
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Speaker 1: a flat screen TV in my bedroom. No, the toys
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Speaker 1: don't have a flat screen TV in their bedroom. To me,
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Speaker 1: he's had the good life behind bars. So now he's
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Speaker 1: going to get out. Obviously he's going to go home
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Speaker 1: to Florida, right, I would think so, Yes, that's home
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Speaker 1: for him now. A source from behind Bars has Quota
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Speaker 1: Simpson as saying only two people alive know who committed
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Speaker 1: the Brentwood murders him O J. Simpson and Al Cowing's
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Speaker 1: a c He is the guy that drove Simpson and
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Speaker 1: his white Bronco when I guess Simpson was what holding
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Speaker 1: himself hostage, threatening if police came, he had shoot himself. Okay,
24:50
Speaker 1: he held himself hostage and somehow it worked. It did work,
24:56
Speaker 1: you right. You know what I've forgotten, Nancy, what I
24:58
Speaker 1: have to say and what ends know this. You've got
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Speaker 1: so many millions of people love you, and I understand why,
25:05
Speaker 1: because you're lovable. However, what I forgot was my need
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Speaker 1: for a kevlar vest when I'm being interviewed by you
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Speaker 1: for protection. Okay, I'm gonna tell a story about Jim
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Speaker 1: Mora And I know you hate this. I know you
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Speaker 1: hate this, but I'm gonna do it. I'm doing it.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing it. Okay. So when I grew up, we
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Speaker 1: would watch everything wholesome right, and one of the things
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Speaker 1: we could watch don't get mad at me, Jim, okay,
25:34
Speaker 1: don't is Gidget. And you know where I'm going with this.
25:40
Speaker 1: Did you know Alan that Jim Murray's dad is Moondoggy
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Speaker 1: on the Gidget movies? And when I found that out.
25:48
Speaker 1: That's right, James, Darren, you could you could just say
25:52
Speaker 1: anything and I would still be in total all of
25:55
Speaker 1: you because when I was a young girl, I thought
25:57
Speaker 1: your dad was the coolest guy ever moon hockey. And
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Speaker 1: that's something I've had to live with. Every girl I've
26:02
Speaker 1: ever liked how to crush on my dad. So imagine that.
26:06
Speaker 1: Why should today be any different? We got all of
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Speaker 1: his good looks, though, well, Nancy's always reminded me of Gidget.
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Speaker 1: Actually that's a compliment with a machete's, you know. You know,
26:18
Speaker 1: I wonder how this makes. I wonder how this makes
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Speaker 1: the Goldman's and the browns Field. I'm guessing that you've
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Speaker 1: maintained a relationship with him. I've become friends with Kim
26:29
Speaker 1: Goldman and I've known it for twenty two years or
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Speaker 1: something like that, and she it's difficult for them. It's
26:37
Speaker 1: clearly this this is something the pain never goes away.
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Speaker 1: Every birthday, every everything that happens with with their families,
26:46
Speaker 1: there there's a there's a place missing. And not only
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Speaker 1: not only are they're missing Ron and Nicole, but they're
26:52
Speaker 1: missing all the things around them. Ron never got married,
26:54
Speaker 1: never had children, so they are grandchildren that are missing
26:57
Speaker 1: for the Goldman's you know, it's um, it's horrific, it's
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Speaker 1: it's unimaginable. And you know there's another thing I wanted
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Speaker 1: to tell you. I got some of the information from
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Speaker 1: a guy. His name is Jeffrey Felix, and he is
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Speaker 1: a retired c I Correctional Institute officer, and he watched
27:16
Speaker 1: over Simpson. He finally, after many many years, wrote a
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Speaker 1: book called Guarding the Jews. How O J. Simpson became
27:24
Speaker 1: My prison b FF. Okay, Now this is the story
27:29
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Felix gives. He um that said that the
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Speaker 1: whole knife thing where you know, authorities went looking for
27:38
Speaker 1: the knife one time, he thought it was a joke.
27:42
Speaker 1: And uh then he said that one time Simpson told him,
27:47
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, the only that only two people alive
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Speaker 1: knew who committed the murders of Nicole Brown, a Ron Goldman,
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Speaker 1: him Simpson and Callings. And he's said that Simpson was
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Speaker 1: washing his hands and looked up in the mirror and
28:05
Speaker 1: I and I'm talking about the guard said, Juice, you
28:09
Speaker 1: just solve the Brent with murders. You're looking at the
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Speaker 1: murderer right in the mirror. And he goes on and says,
28:16
Speaker 1: he just gave me a glare. Quote, he gave me
28:19
Speaker 1: a kind of a dirty look, and then he kind
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Speaker 1: of smiled after he kind of shrugged it off, and
28:26
Speaker 1: that was it. Creepy. See, if the jury had heard that,
28:30
Speaker 1: maybe it would have made a difference. I don't know,
28:32
Speaker 1: but this is what I do know. If you want
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Speaker 1: your voice to be heard, go online to the Vegas
28:39
Speaker 1: Pardoning Parole, to Nevada Pardoner and Parole and let your
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Speaker 1: voice be heard. If you do not want Simpson to
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Speaker 1: walk free. Okay, Jim Murray, Sorry, Alan, I'm totally ignoring
28:51
Speaker 1: you because they've got Murray here with me. Jim. Look,
28:55
Speaker 1: I'm just glad to get a little bit of relief
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Speaker 1: from from the he himself. I do this every morning, Jim,
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Speaker 1: every more. You should have jumped in a little more.
29:05
Speaker 1: I noticed you didn't give me any cover. I'm going
29:10
Speaker 1: to take that as a compliment, but it's a compliment.
29:12
Speaker 1: Give me your final thoughts, and and don't start telling
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Speaker 1: me about how he's been. Yeah, he's suffered too much.
29:19
Speaker 1: Just stops not. I haven't told you that he suffered
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Speaker 1: too much. I don't believe he suffered too much car around.
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Speaker 1: I do not believe. What is your take away? Do
29:29
Speaker 1: you think he's really going to walk? Do you think
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Speaker 1: he's going to walk? I think he will walk. Yes,
29:36
Speaker 1: I do. Oh that hurt? Okay, go ahead, I think
29:43
Speaker 1: he will. I have to look at this case alone,
29:51
Speaker 1: because he was he was acquitted in California. So the judge,
29:55
Speaker 1: the parole board in in Nevada should not hold a
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Speaker 1: case against him legally, I understand ethically, I understand morally,
30:04
Speaker 1: but legally they should not hold that other case against him. Um.
30:09
Speaker 1: So I think they have to look at how he's
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Speaker 1: behaved in prison, what his sentence was, what what has
30:15
Speaker 1: transpired since? Is there any remorse? Um? And by the way,
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Speaker 1: I've never heard I've heard of no remorse. I shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have said anything, but so, uh, I do think. I
30:28
Speaker 1: think there's a good chance. I think there's a good
30:31
Speaker 1: chance that Hey, you know what, it sounds like a vacation.
30:34
Speaker 1: I'm a joint sentance because this is telling me. You're
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Speaker 1: telling me today Nancy on TV. Yeah, UM, they'll throw
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Speaker 1: anything the next time you see. You know what, I'm
30:48
Speaker 1: going to have a little faith. I'm gonna go I'm
30:51
Speaker 1: gonna have a little faith. I'm going to go out
30:52
Speaker 1: on a lamb and I'm gonna say no that they
30:55
Speaker 1: will not let him go this time, much as they
30:58
Speaker 1: have kept the Manson followers behind bars even though they
31:01
Speaker 1: were eligible for parole on principle. So you know what,
31:06
Speaker 1: I'm calling on the pardoner parole board to do the
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Speaker 1: right thing and keep this guy behind bars. That's that's
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Okay, you get to a position of
31:15
Speaker 1: power like being on the parole board so you can
31:18
Speaker 1: do the right thing, the right thing. And I don't
31:22
Speaker 1: care what's written in a law book, a dusty law
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Speaker 1: book on a shelf. I'm talking about what is right
31:28
Speaker 1: and what is wrong. Let's see what they do. Okay,
31:30
Speaker 1: Jim Murray, the next time I see you on TV,
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Speaker 1: which is probably going to be today, I will be
31:35
Speaker 1: reaching through the screen and grabbing you by your ear
31:38
Speaker 1: and not twisting it for all the things you've said,
31:41
Speaker 1: and watch out your next I want to thank first
31:45
Speaker 1: of all, simply, I want all of your listeners to
31:47
Speaker 1: know this. I believe in my heart you always strive
31:52
Speaker 1: to do the right thing, and so I respect what
31:54
Speaker 1: you're saying. Thank you, Son of Moon, Doggie, okay it,
32:01
Speaker 1: I love you, man, Hey, Jim, When did we first
32:04
Speaker 1: actually meet? Not on TV on the airways, but when
32:08
Speaker 1: was it? When was luck? When did we actually when
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Speaker 1: did when we meet meet in person? Yeah? I don't know.
32:17
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember the first time I saw you.
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Speaker 1: I heard angels singing the pot and I said, this
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Speaker 1: is nasty. Greg. You've always been so wonderful and gracious
32:29
Speaker 1: and kind to me and and and I love my man.
32:33
Speaker 1: I really find you. I'm both attracted to you and frightened.
32:37
Speaker 1: W It's it's a fascinating dynamic, as it should be.
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Speaker 1: And please tell Jabra norvil I said, hello, I love her.
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